// #d&d — 2015-01-22
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00:57:18 <steven> yo
00:59:43 <steven> hows it goin?
01:14:52 <Avatar> yo
01:19:47 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lgyc?Writing-a-New-Entry-for-Factions
01:50:03 <Steven> so annoying when people sign in with my name.
01:50:40 <Steven> Also... i love it when people try to tell me, incorrectly i might add, how bane works.
01:50:49 <Steven> I correct them, and they try to argue.
01:52:39 <Steven> "I can bane vs a target without knowing what type of creature it is!"
01:55:04 <Steven> 23 levels of Inquisitors under my belt on PFS Characters.
02:00:14 <Avatar> die, bot
02:37:29 <Mekkis> meh
02:37:47 <Avatar> I'm just the messenger
02:37:58 <Mekkis> I know
02:38:02 <Brunius> I seem to remember instructions to shoot the messenger
02:38:08 <Mekkis> still, meh
02:38:08 <Avatar> you just watch yourself
02:38:10 <Mekkis> oh yeah
02:39:35 <Mekkis> To Xeron, loyal servant of his majesty Lucifer
02:39:35 <Mekkis> Kreegan, killer of his king's enemies:
02:39:35 <Mekkis> Upon receiving this letter, kill the messenger. No one is to
02:39:35 <Mekkis> learn of its contents. Should its information fall into the hands
02:39:35 <Mekkis> of an enemy, our kingdom of Eeofol may find itself the victim of a
02:39:36 <Mekkis> greater nation's aggression.
02:41:42 <Avatar> what's that from
03:27:48 <Mekkis> What about a VC insisting that Haste gives +1 to all saves?
03:29:28 <s_gmusic> wut.
03:29:35 <s_gmusic> why/how would it do that?
03:30:03 <s_gmusic> your metabolism increases boosting your fort saves and you think faster increasing your will saves?
03:30:29 <Mekkis> my VC did insist on it.
03:32:03 <s_gmusic> !spell haste
03:32:08 <diebot> s_gmusic, HASTE transmutation ([]) alchemist 3, bard 3, magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 2, bloodrager 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M (a shaving of licorice root) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes
03:32:08 <diebot> (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
03:32:08 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/haste.html
03:32:41 <s_gmusic> :\
03:34:13 <s_gmusic> okay, well there goes the "it could be the mythic version" idea.
04:14:59 <Mekkis> no
04:15:43 <steven> eeofol is might and magic.
04:16:11 <steven> im bored.
04:16:28 <steven> worse yet, im bored and dont have a headache
04:18:02 <steven> usually i have a headache so i dont wanna actually do anything at all
04:23:21 <steven> it may be time to go play civilization
04:23:32 <Avatar> :D
04:23:34 <steven> and by may, i mean is.
04:24:23 <Mekkis> Wow. The Pooka is pretty good
04:25:01 <Mekkis> Would you consider it a Jerk Move to prevent a PC casting a Create Pit spell if they don't have a 10gp miniature shovel on their ITS/Character sheet
04:25:12 <Avatar> yes
04:25:22 <Avatar> nobody ever has a 10gp miniature shovel on their sheet, unless they are you
04:47:18 <Brunius> !spell blessing of haste
04:47:20 <diebot> Brunius, BLESSING OF FERVOR transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
04:47:20 <diebot> With this blessing, you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies can choose one of the following bonuses for that round at the beginning of its turn (their choice). • Increase its speed by 30 feet. • Stand up as a swift action without
04:47:20 <diebot> provoking an attack of opportunity. • Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus. • Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. •Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell. These effects are not
04:47:20 <diebot> cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste.
04:52:18 <Avatar> what kind of accent do you do for amara li
04:52:41 <Mekkis> an asian one
04:52:50 <Avatar> how strong
04:52:52 <Mekkis> stereotypical
04:53:07 <Avatar> give me a fictional character you'd try to mimic
04:53:37 <Mekkis> I don't. I just make the 'r's and the 'l's very simirar
04:54:32 <Mekkis> and I deliberately stuff around with my emphasis on syllables
04:54:51 <Avatar> I'm not sure that paints her in a terribly good light
04:55:10 <Avatar> I mean I didn't like the lantern lodge, but still
04:55:40 <Avatar> lucy liu doesn't exactly cut it
05:02:06 <Avatar> the only two I can think of are lucy and that chick from stargate universe/marvel agents of shield
05:02:54 <Mekkis> darkwhite does it that way
05:03:55 <Avatar> no I want her to be more sophisticated
05:05:18 <Mekkis> In that case, don't make push the asian-style 'l' that far, speak softly and clearly, take frequent pauses before long words.
05:12:50 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
05:12:56 <Steven> im back. had to run over to my dads house
05:15:15 <Steven> so hows it goin guys/girls
05:35:47 <Mekkis> And be very polite
05:40:18 <Avatar> demeanour isn't the problem, it's just accent
05:51:11 <Avatar> how do you learn about how a specific curse works
05:52:01 <steven> Its like the World Wars all over again. I'm german and just destroying france. England Russia and America are all about to declare war on me. lol
05:53:08 <Mekkis> alright. Coming up with some character backgrounds
05:54:27 <Steven> i've really enjoyed the Character creation thing in Ultimate Campaign.
05:55:24 <Mekkis> So I'm looking at an ex-lion blade who was 'burned' by machenations involving a chelish diabolist, who is then blackmailing him into working for the Pathfinder Society
05:55:45 <Mekkis> What would a reasonable class be?
05:57:48 <Mekkis> Thinking... ranger, swashbuckler, paladin, maybe rogue?
05:57:55 <Mekkis> gunslinger even?
06:04:44 <Steven> infiltrator inquisitor?
06:07:10 <Mekkis> possibly
06:07:37 <Mekkis> Is it possible to get access to explosives in PFS without being a gunslinger?
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06:10:44 <Steven> iunno
06:10:55 <Steven> i think its just an alchemical item
06:11:29 <Mekkis> spoke to local VL: he's planning on ignoring it
06:14:18 <Mekkis> it is?
06:14:21 <Mekkis> what source?
06:18:03 <Mekkis> How are you reacting to Brock's ruling regarding character sheets?
06:32:48 <steven> doop be bob
06:37:44 <Steven> iunno
06:37:59 <Steven> i think it came out in ultimate combat
06:41:33 <Mekkis> Seems like black powder's the only explosive in pathfinder
06:44:16 <Steven> why do you need explosives when you have people who can cast fireballs?
06:44:45 <Mekkis> to achieve what fireballs aren't very good at achieving
06:45:39 <Steven> my point is that magic replaces technology on golarion.
06:48:07 <Mekkis> Numeria.
06:48:58 <Mekkis> But really, my point is that magic is actually really bad at doing one thing that explosives are really good at doing: Converting a large amount of ore-bearing rock into a similar amount of ore-bearing rubble.
06:49:53 <Steven> except there are spells that can do that... sure fireballs arent great at it.
06:50:07 <Mekkis> pray tell which spells
06:51:19 <Steven> im not going to go search through all the spells in pfs to find you examples.
06:51:45 <Avatar> I'm a little surprised VO's aren't clarifying mike's intent, that suggests they don't actually know
06:51:53 <Mekkis> I've looked and I honestly can't find anything below sixth level
06:52:00 <Steven> the notible exceptions to the rule that magic replaces technology on golarion are numeria which had that forced upon them and alkenstar.
06:53:37 <Mekkis> remember: Brock's word is only binding if you've read it
06:53:53 <Mekkis> I think they're rather ignore it.
06:54:56 <Steven> i imagine stone shape would be effective, thats what 3rd cleric/druid 4th wizard?
06:55:24 <Mekkis> not really. It doesn't affect much area at all.
06:55:59 <Mekkis> much volume at all...
06:57:48 <Steven> it doesnt have to. you stone shape lines of stone seperating pieces of stone from each other 15 cubic(lowest level) feet of stone is quite a bit of stone really.
06:59:54 <Mekkis> What about using Lightning Bolt to start the Birkeland–Eyde process, to make ammonium nitrate. To make ANFO.
07:00:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> How many classes on 1 character is too many?
07:00:21 <Steven> if your gm allows it
07:00:47 <Mekkis> if your GM allows using stone shape to create a cheese-grater effect....
07:01:24 <Steven> I let players get away with a decent amount
07:01:51 <Steven> You know really i let players get away with whatever they want so long as they are nice about asking it.
07:03:13 <Mekkis> actually...
07:04:26 <Mekkis> the Birkeland–Eyde process produces nitric acid. This can be combined with sulphuric acid to produce C3H5N3O9
07:04:26 <Steven> I have my stricter days, but that how i try to run my table.
07:04:49 <Steven> thats probably going to go over the heads of most people mekkis.
07:05:25 <Mekkis> nitroglycerine
07:05:53 <Steven> i know what that is, im a geologist.
07:06:02 <Steven> im pretty good on checmicals
07:06:57 <Steven> im saying if you have to explain to people how the chemicals interact with each other you're probably going to get that dead stare and get told no
07:07:14 <Mekkis> fair enough
07:07:42 <Steven> one of the biggest complaints i've heard so far this season is the inclusion of technology in peoples fantasy
07:07:48 <Mekkis> Trying to work out ways to actually blast out a door - or a building.
07:09:28 <Steven> telekenesis? Earthquake? Investigator talent that lets you use kn engineering in place of a str check.
07:09:39 <Mekkis> oh?
07:09:46 <Steven> yeah.
07:09:51 <Mekkis> such a talent exists?!
07:09:55 <Steven> yup.
07:10:20 <Steven> i want to call it applied engineering.
07:10:40 <Mekkis> wow
07:10:46 <Mekkis> you're right
07:10:48 <Steven> yeah it is really cool
07:11:45 <Steven> I got a 48 on a kn engineering to break a stone wall on a castle in my buddies homebrew
07:11:55 <Steven> nat 20!
07:12:44 <Steven> it was fantastic
07:13:09 <Steven> So i took a brick out of a wall and the whole thing collapsed
07:13:26 <Mekkis> well. Going to have to look at taking at least one level in Investigator
07:13:31 <Steven> and we didnt have to siege the fort, we moved right into the encounters.
07:13:55 <Steven> it requires 3 levels to get an investigator talent
07:14:30 <Mekkis> four levels then
07:16:48 <Steven> 2nd level extracts pretty good
07:17:31 <Steven> brb gotta take the dogs out
07:20:46 <Steven> yo
07:24:09 <Mekkis> yo
07:24:48 <Mekkis> Psychic Searcher oracle with the Extra Investigator Talent feat
07:28:56 <Avatar> oh really, is that how it works
07:29:02 <Avatar> so you've read it, so it must be binding for you now
07:30:49 <Steven> sure
07:31:08 <Mekkis> yep
07:33:41 <Avatar> what about your VL, he's read it
07:33:51 <Avatar> maybe he should be banned from PFS
07:35:43 <Mekkis> How is your community dealing with the requirement for paper, Steven?
07:42:35 <Steven> some people are upset, others haven't had any problem at all.
07:43:01 <Mekkis> !spell Greater Make Whole
07:43:04 <Mekkis> 5
07:43:08 <diebot> Mekkis, MAKE WHOLE transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 10 minutes Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one object of up to 10 cu. ft./level or one construct creature of any size Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)Source: PFRPG Core
07:43:08 <diebot> This spell functions as mending, except that it repairs 1d6 points of damage per level when cast on an object or construct creature (maximum 5d6). Make whole can fix destroyed magic items (at 0 hit points or less), and restores the magic properties of the item if your caster level is at least twice that of the item. Items with charges (such as
07:43:09 <diebot> wands) and single-use items (such as potions and scrolls) cannot be repaired in this way. When make whole is used on a construct creature, the spell bypasses any immunity to magic as if the spell did not allow spell resistance.
07:43:18 <Mekkis> !spell Make Whole, greater
07:43:19 <diebot> Mekkis, MAKE WHOLE, GREATER transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4, sorcerer/wizard 4 1 standard action Range: 10 ft. one object of up to 5 lb./level Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)Source: Technology Guide
07:43:19 <diebot> This spell repairs 1d6 points of damage plus 1 point per level when cast on a construct creature (maximum 10d6+10). Greater make whole can fix destroyed magic items or technological items (items at 0 hit points or fewer), and restores the magic properties of the item if your caster level at least equal to that of the item. This spell otherwise
07:43:20 <diebot> functions as make whole.
07:43:54 <Mekkis> maybe.
07:44:20 <Mekkis> Maybe I should be. I'm not going to turn anyone with an electronic character sheet away.
07:44:39 <Avatar> maybe you should learn how the commonsense rule can work in everybody's favour
07:45:12 <Mekkis> "Don't be a jerk" trumps "Brock's word".
07:53:52 <Mekkis> I never said they weren't
07:54:07 <Avatar> I like how he says "all inclusive no more to pay"
07:54:28 <Mekkis> I get the canvas prints for scenarios that I intend to run several times - or scenarios that are epic enough to justify it.
07:54:39 <Mekkis> like Mantis' Prey
07:54:47 <Avatar> yeah fair go
07:54:52 <Avatar> I'll check up on the prices for paper
07:55:48 <Mekkis> Good to know that Paizo are admitting that the faction changes in season 3, season 5 and season 6 have issues.
08:26:25 <Avatar> I'd be surprised to see what would happen at a table where the player didn't like the rule and brought his device, and the GM didn't like the rule and enforced it anyway
08:27:41 <Avatar> a VO would have fun trying to fix that situation if they got called in as a mediator
08:28:17 <Avatar> hopefully they wouldn't lean towards telling the player "sorry, it's the rules, if the GM says he doesn't want devices at the table, you have to adhere because PFS"
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09:32:29 <steven> this game is taking forever.... i shouldnt have clicked the complete destruction button.
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09:56:25 <spider21b> hi
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10:48:44 <Steven> so mapped out my character progression for skull and shackles a bit, level 11 I will treat the Eye of Abendego as Normal Weather instead of a Powerful Storm.
10:48:51 <Steven> woot woot
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11:37:45 <mib_3ywq7m> how to play game?
12:12:18 <s_gmusic> wut
13:20:40 <s_gmusic> what's the limit with ninja and rogue archetypes?
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14:13:30 <Avatar> how to play, lol?
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15:16:34 <Avatar> why would you want to take a whole level in a class just to be able to blast out a door?
15:24:02 <ThrashingDragon> Hola
15:37:49 <Avatar> man I'm going to forget to use that january coupon code, I know it
15:45:57 <Mekkis> Character concept that involves blasting out doors - and walls
15:48:23 <Avatar> you can't knock down a wall with a strength check
15:48:26 <Avatar> what is this wall made out of, paper
15:50:54 <Avatar> hi anyone here
15:50:56 <Avatar> ok bye
15:57:49 <Mekkis> you can actually.
15:58:19 <Mekkis> Hewn stone (3 ft. thick) has a break DC of 50.
15:58:32 <Mekkis> with a 50 strength check, you CAN break down a wall
15:59:57 <Avatar> 50
16:00:02 <Mekkis> 50.
16:00:10 <Avatar> 1d20 + ? = 50
16:00:28 <Avatar> let's say I have a 22 str, that's a +6
16:00:40 <Avatar> so if I roll a nat 20, I will get about half of 50
16:00:54 <Avatar> that's assuming the wall is 3ft thick, which it never is
16:01:01 <Avatar> 3ft
16:01:14 <Mekkis> Investigator. Applied engineering. Lets you use Knowledge (engineering) instead of str
16:01:38 <Avatar> let's assume 20 ranks in kn. engineering
16:01:43 <Avatar> so that puts me up to about DC 40
16:01:50 <Avatar> 20 total, not 20 ranks
16:02:26 <Avatar> this is still assuming a 3ft wall that doesn't exist
16:06:21 <Mekkis> Ancestral Communion gives +6 insight bonus, Page-Bound Epiphany gives +10 circumstance bonus, Heightened Awareness gives +2 competence bonus, masterwork tool gives +2 circumstance bonus. We're at +20. 7 ranks, 20 int already has us at +32...
16:06:21 <Avatar> gotta run
16:06:34 <Mekkis> Lore master lets you take 20.
16:06:41 <Avatar> yeah ok get a 5ft wall's DC now
17:21:32 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
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20:01:12 <Steve1> i fucking hate that bastard who uses steven and i keep kickin him and he just comes back with the same name every time... .damn him!
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20:07:06 <Steven> sup im back.
20:20:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, my VC's got a habit of enforcing dumb rules.
20:34:09 <Avatar> then walk from the table
20:34:34 <Steven> I printed off all 24 of my characters with credit on them.
20:35:06 <Avatar> I wouldn't give them the satisfaction
20:35:14 <Steven> I put them in a binder and i just left it at the shop. That way if gm wants to see it they can, but im still going to run off my tablet.
20:35:52 <Mekkis> I'm adding it to 'ways I can stop my VC playing on my table' :P
20:36:22 <Avatar> how are you stopping him playing on your table
20:38:52 <Steven> hrm....
20:39:12 <Brunius> There are 4 13 year old girls running around my house on a sugar high >_<
20:39:26 <Avatar> ops
20:39:34 <Steven> Yay skull and shackles starting this week!
20:39:41 <Avatar> reminds me of that table we played at that traumatised me
20:39:41 <Mekkis> "Look, I can't be seen to be breaking Brock's ruling in front of a VC..."
20:39:54 * Steven does a happy dance like a 13 year old girl on a sugar high
20:42:30 <Steven> alright i finished the dance.
20:42:59 <Avatar> didn't you just say he has a habit of enforcing dumb rules
20:43:05 <Avatar> isn't this you enforcing one
20:43:48 <Steven> no thats him saying he is not going to enforce the ruling.
20:44:24 <Avatar> I don't think it is
20:46:10 <Steven> I think im going to figure out the general direction my character will advance to.
20:49:47 <Steven> so avatar, shackles pirate or Inner Sea Pirate?
20:52:38 <Steven> http://archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Inner%20Sea%20Pirate
20:52:46 <Steven> http://archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shackles%20Pirate
20:53:41 <Steven> I can take them both... but meh...
21:02:33 <Brunius> I reckon Inner Sea Pirate is better
21:03:42 <Steven> combat wise it surely is.
21:05:11 <Mekkis> the shackles is obviously inferior to the inner sea
21:43:41 <Avatar> inner seaz
21:43:58 <Avatar> I learnt just the other day that apparently all the maps we've seen of golarion are bogus
21:52:44 <Steven> its okay, the whole world of golarion is actually just pretend.
21:52:54 <Steven> lol
21:53:19 <Steven> well i have to drive 170 miles tomorrow, im gonna go to bed.
21:55:13 <Mekkis> bs! I was in Cheliax last night!
22:01:01 <Steven> OH mans!
22:01:17 <Steven> I dont have to drive!
22:01:21 <Steven> WOOT WOOT
22:04:45 <Steven> its time... to dick around.
22:22:47 <Steven> alright, so im going to go with inner sea pirated.... but what should my character actually do.
22:26:32 <Brunius> pirate things
22:26:57 <Mekkis> download Paizo PDFs from torrents
22:27:07 <Brunius> yeah!
22:27:12 <Steven> so pirate!
22:27:12 <Brunius> you should only run him off books you've pirated
22:27:17 <Mekkis> !!!
22:27:25 <Steven> I cant... i already bought the books.
22:27:35 <Mekkis> Pirate them anyway!
22:28:48 <Steven> not very pirate to work at finding them when i already have them
22:29:27 <Brunius> where the bloody hell are all these cho ko nu coming from
22:29:47 <Mekkis> cho ko nu?
22:30:41 <Brunius> chu ko nu
22:37:04 <Mekkis> what is that
22:37:27 <Brunius> the chinese special unit in civ v
22:37:38 <Mekkis> oh
22:37:41 <Brunius> Like four just rolled out of the fog of war
22:37:56 <Mekkis> I don't have you on water vapour, do I, Brunius
22:38:02 <Brunius> don't think so
22:38:12 <Mekkis> what's your handle?
22:38:17 <Brunius> Brunius
22:40:56 <Mekkis> Just looked at your achievement list. Needs work :P
22:41:14 <Brunius> the only game I've really gone for achievements in is payday 2
22:42:30 <Mekkis> As in, there's no Flawless Strategy
22:43:05 <Brunius> eh
22:43:34 <Mekkis> the achievement
22:43:37 <Mekkis> you don't have it
22:43:41 <Brunius> I know
22:44:23 <Mekkis> sounds like you've got FLAWED strategy
22:44:48 <Brunius> I knowprobably
22:46:33 <Brunius> Do you have a copy of "Mastering C Programming" by Chapman, A?
23:01:49 <Mekkis> no, why?
23:02:00 <Mekkis> If you're after C programming books...
23:02:05 <Mekkis> Do you have K&R?
23:14:41 <Brunius> the uni insists I should have a copy
23:16:32 <Mekkis> of K&R?
23:17:37 <Brunius> of Mastering C Programming
23:17:44 <Brunius> from 1991 :S
23:19:47 <Mekkis> K&R, 1978. Second edition published 1988
23:20:37 <Mekkis> I have the forty-ninth printing, January 2012
23:27:04 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mastering-C-Programming-Palgrave-Master-Series-Computing-By-W-Arthur-Cha-/171317591958?pt=AU_Non_Fiction_Books_2&hash=item27e352ff96
23:27:22 <Brunius> Yep, ebay was gonna be the next stop
23:27:29 <Brunius> None of the typical book sites have it
23:27:33 <Mekkis> $13 seems reasonable, but...
23:27:39 <Mekkis> K&R is better
23:29:12 <Mekkis> http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421929739&sr=8-1&keywords=The+C+Programming+Language+Kernighan
23:29:26 <Mekkis> It's the BIBLE
23:33:36 <Steven> its so annoying that the pirate archetype of rogue doesnt get cutlass proficiency
23:34:27 <Mekkis> Goddamnit Steven, we're talking about C here. Not piraC on the C
23:50:59 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> So far, the confirmation isn't going to be played, or it's going to be filled with Friday rockups
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