// #d&d — 2015-01-05
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00:00:07 <Avatar> but I wasn't able to fly and steven preferred to cast air walk on the guy who did buy a potion of fly
00:01:30 <s_gmusic> ooookay? I'm just going to back to spraying paint in my closed room.
00:01:58 <Avatar> I think I'm actually missing a feat
00:02:44 <Steven> sorry had to takes dogs out
00:03:00 <Avatar> who let the dogs out
00:03:03 <Steven> um.... your escape artist helps you get out of grapples.
00:03:09 <Avatar> CMD gets you out of grapples
00:03:13 <Steven> no
00:03:20 <Avatar> oh yeah CMB hey
00:03:27 <Steven> cmd is what they roll against to get you in a grapple
02:08:31 <Brunius> should I go to arcanacon
03:03:45 <Mekkis> Brunius, yes
03:03:47 <Mekkis> yes you should
03:42:27 <Steven> "Steve you should watch this movie. It is awesome!"
03:42:40 <Steven> i watch the movie. I have no fucking clue what the movie is about.
03:55:17 <Steven> time to find something else to watch
04:18:49 <vpsirc> f
04:45:53 <Avatar> especially if you playing online distracts you
05:48:17 <Brunius> Yeah, it's far better in person, especially if I sit near the DM
05:53:25 <Steven> yo
05:54:04 <Brunius> oh god
05:54:35 <Steven> you can call me steve
05:54:56 <Steven> okay thats pretty horrible.
05:55:11 <Steven> what up bruniu
06:34:24 <Avatar> think I'm going with another 2 levels of archaeologist after all
06:34:29 <Avatar> I want my spellz
06:35:07 <Avatar> I'm actually not sure it's worth buying a ranged weapon after all
06:37:25 <Brunius> I'm thinking of making like, a halfling fighter
06:37:38 <Brunius> or even going with *shudder* a gnome
06:53:11 <Mekkis> what is wrong with gnomes? Is Mort getting to you?
07:00:23 <Avatar> gnomes are problematic
07:00:35 <Avatar> halfling fighters don't work well from what I remember
07:00:37 <Mekkis> how so?
07:00:46 <Avatar> they are weird
07:00:50 <Avatar> second only to wayangs
07:01:21 <Avatar> aren't halfling martials constantly hampered by shitty weapon damage
07:01:52 <Brunius> gnomes would be too
07:02:33 <Avatar> yeah
07:02:50 <Avatar> dwarf would be alright
07:02:56 <Avatar> you could roleplay with a scottish accent
07:03:40 <Avatar> I keep trying to use an english accent for James but I'm not very good at english accents
07:03:52 <Avatar> he basically sounds the same as that guy from The Mummy
07:05:28 <s_gmusic> imhotep?\
07:05:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, and all the variants of asimaar and tiefling aren't 'weird'?
07:06:17 <Mekkis> hell, they're more problematic that any core race. Breaking scenarios by being 'outsiders'
07:07:02 <Avatar> not imhotep, the brother
07:07:13 <Avatar> aasimar and tiefling variants are cheesy, not weird
07:07:50 <Mekkis> Tell that to any NPC spellcaster whose tactics include spells like Hideous Laughter and Dominate Person
07:08:21 <Avatar> what does that have to do with anything
07:09:08 <s_gmusic> that's why I liked it in a couple home games, the GM ruled they were affected by those spells. "You were born on THIS plane and have only a SLIGHT TOUCH of 'other', why wouldn't it affect you?"
07:09:38 <Avatar> are we talking about something separate now
07:10:21 <Mekkis> The Native Outsiders clearly break scenarios by not being humanoid.
07:10:40 <Mekkis> And they're just as weird - if not more so - than gnomes
07:11:08 <s_gmusic> gnome weirdness should be expected. they're FUCKING GNOMES
07:17:43 <Avatar> that's my point
07:18:33 <Avatar> is there a better long range tactic than a longbow
07:18:39 <Avatar> should I just save up for my flying carpet
07:23:24 <Avatar> might re-schedule Words of the Ancients for saturday
07:24:22 <Mekkis> I'd rather a table of players roleplaying gnome weirdness than a table of players not roleplaying
07:24:25 <Avatar> my prestige on James' sheet makes it look like I died once or twice, but looking at my scenario list, I can't work out what scenario I died in?
07:24:42 <Avatar> you say that but I have never seen you roleplay your gnome
07:26:14 <Mekkis> Not with the typical gnome craziness, no. Not all gnomes act like that.
07:28:21 <Avatar> they basically do
07:31:06 <Avatar> so how much do you reckon you can get for selling an heirloom weapon
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07:41:49 <Mekkis> the basic rule of PFS is that you get half of what you paid for it
07:42:03 <Avatar> yeah but it's an heirloom so it's probably valuable !
07:42:07 <Mekkis> if you paid nothing, you get nothing
07:42:13 <Mekkis> Sentimental value
07:42:35 <Avatar> I think I paid for it?
07:48:16 <Steven> sup
07:48:29 <Steven> im back... i had to get myself some food
07:52:49 <s_gmusic> wb
07:54:23 <Steven> so whats happenin?
07:54:33 <Avatar> I've been putting a whole bunch of ranks in escape artist, and somehow my CMD has climbed way above my escape artist anyway
07:54:48 <Avatar> is that skill a trap
07:55:04 <Avatar> that's even with a dumped str
07:56:21 <Avatar> escape artist > 8(ranks) + 4(dex) + 3(class) -2 (ACP) = 13
07:56:59 <Avatar> CMD > 7(BAB) - 2(str) + 4(dex) + 10 = 19
07:57:17 <Avatar> I think I want my ranks back
07:57:38 <Avatar> !item ring of serene contortions
07:57:41 <diebot> Avatar, RING OF SERENE CONTORTIONS [faint abjuration] CL:5 ring 1200gp, 0lb
07:57:41 <diebot> This simple copper ring bears the image of a blue enamel hand. It grants the wearer a +2 bonus on Escape Artist checks. At will, the wearer may create the sound of a peaceful chime, small gong, or temple bell. Once per day, the wearer may also use true strike. Source: Inner Sea Gods
07:58:18 <s_gmusic> it should be cheap to retrain a skill
07:58:31 <Avatar> no I am saving for a flying carpet sorry
07:58:45 <s_gmusic> lol
07:58:49 <Avatar> none of this buy a ranged weapon bollocks
07:58:54 <Avatar> yet another reason to add to the growing list of reasons to pick up ISG
07:58:59 <Avatar> 1d8 damage at level 10 I don't think so son
07:59:11 <s_gmusic> what?
07:59:18 <Avatar> a longbow does 1d8 damage
07:59:22 <s_gmusic> yes.
07:59:28 <Avatar> it's not enough !
07:59:28 <s_gmusic> but who said anything about buying one?
07:59:36 <Avatar> I needed one in the last scenario we played
07:59:56 <Avatar> but I wasn't able to fly and steven preferred to cast air walk on the guy who did buy a potion of fly
08:01:19 <s_gmusic> ooookay? I'm just going to back to spraying paint in my closed room.
08:01:47 <Avatar> I think I'm actually missing a feat
08:02:33 <Steven> sorry had to takes dogs out
08:02:48 <Avatar> who let the dogs out
08:02:51 <Steven> um.... your escape artist helps you get out of grapples.
08:02:58 <Avatar> CMD gets you out of grapples
08:03:02 <Steven> no
08:03:09 <Avatar> oh yeah CMB hey
08:03:16 <Steven> cmd is what they roll against to get you in a grapple
08:03:37 <Avatar> yeah ok my CMB is terrible
08:04:08 <Steven> my wizard level 10 for kingmaker has a 32cmb
08:04:43 <Steven> pretty dumb!
08:04:51 <Steven> anyways
08:04:53 <Avatar> how
08:04:59 <Steven> cheese.
08:05:12 <Avatar> specifics
08:05:28 <Steven> i dont wanna get yelled at for spreading my cheese around.
08:05:31 <Steven> i get enough shit as it is.
08:05:38 <Avatar> I am asking specifically, so
08:07:21 <Steven> feat combos
08:08:01 <Steven> for a wizard probably one of the best feats to take is defensive combat training.
08:08:06 <Avatar> I still have to pick a free item worth 1500gp from a level 6 scenario
08:08:29 <Steven> where you use your HD instead of your bab to calculate your cmd
08:09:23 <Avatar> that is CMD, not CMB
08:09:52 <Steven> he he! i said cmb when i meant cmd... yeah my wizard does not have a 32 cmb lol
08:10:00 <Steven> that would be insane.
08:10:34 <Steven> he only has a +15 cmb.
08:11:05 <Steven> so i guess quickened true strike i could have a +35 cmb
08:13:30 <Avatar> ring of spell knowledge 1 might be worth it if I can find a level 1 bard spell I forgot to take
08:14:10 <Avatar> evangelist is so OP
08:14:34 <Avatar> or aegis of recovery
08:15:15 <Avatar> I can probably sell most of my worthless items and make up enough for the flying carpet now
08:15:25 <Avatar> I'm not sure what I was thinking when I bought most of what I have
08:15:44 <Avatar> goggles of minute seeing add to disable device, even though my DD is up the wazoo anyway
08:15:51 <Avatar> golembane scarab, my weapon is adamantine
08:15:57 <Avatar> muleback cords, I have a haversack now anyway
08:16:10 <Avatar> gauntlets of skilled maneuvers is useless now that I'm no longer a tripper since retraining
08:16:45 <Avatar> that's 10000gp worth of stuff
08:17:08 <Avatar> I only need a little under 5000 for the carpet
08:17:26 <Steven> meh
08:18:40 <Steven> i think i explained that a couple of days ago.
08:19:23 <Avatar> !item ring of serene contortions
08:19:46 <Avatar> /whereis diebot
08:21:28 <Steven> crashe
08:21:30 <Steven> d
08:26:38 <Avatar> I can see why I hadn't yet chosen an item
08:28:08 <Avatar> yeah but I only just had a good look
08:28:26 <Avatar> not sure where I stand on swashbuckler as an option
08:28:28 <spacenick> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205653562249254&set=a.1249370685290.37259.1560163629&type=1&theater
08:28:42 <Avatar> opportune parry and riposte seems prettty nice
08:29:46 <Avatar> charmed life also very nice
08:30:18 <Avatar> it's really only the next 2 levels that matter, so all of that sweet 3rd level swashbuckler stuff is likely not to come into play
08:44:56 <Steven> i think imma go make me some breakfast.
09:02:34 <Steven> dinner was yummy
09:02:51 <Steven> turkey avacado melt
09:07:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, I like the swashbucker: it makes a dex-based fighter Work.
09:07:34 <Mekkis> However, I do have misgivings about its powerlevel
09:27:02 <Mekkis> maybe 'misgivings' is too strong. 'concerns'
09:27:12 <Avatar> I'd only be using 2 levels of it
09:27:35 <Avatar> seems like a serious contender
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09:38:44 <Mekkis> I'm single classing it
09:39:04 <Mekkis> POSSIBLY considering dipping a level of magus
09:39:53 <Mekkis> I'm surprised you're not going for at least 5 levels
09:41:38 <Avatar> I don't have 5 levels left
09:41:47 <Avatar> James already has 9 levels
09:42:11 <Avatar> I'm thinking the two 1st level deeds and charmed life will be good for 10th and 11th levels
09:42:14 <Steven> come to gencon be a t1 gm
09:42:20 <Steven> get a rebuild boon
09:42:22 <Steven> go go!
09:42:22 <Avatar> mate I am not going to gencon
09:42:33 <Avatar> this character has already been rebuilt once
09:42:57 <Avatar> just need to work out what goes well on the tail end of archaeologist
09:43:33 <Mekkis> if I'm going to gencon, it won't be as a t1 GM
09:44:00 <Avatar> if I went to gencon I would likely make all games for OP characters cakewalks
09:44:15 <Steven> goin as a t1 gm still leaves you like 4 slots to play.
09:44:16 <Avatar> LOLZ what a shit scenario too easy
09:44:27 <Avatar> PFS is too easy
09:47:02 <Steven> every system is easy as soon as you know how it works.
09:47:14 <Steven> gotta make your fun.
09:47:29 <Steven> I make my fun by doing stupid stuff.
09:53:18 <Avatar> I don't know why they chose the bard for the archaeologist archetype, almost all of the class abilities disappear
09:54:02 <Avatar> archaeologists do not gain the bardic performance ability or any of its performance types
09:54:07 <Avatar> that's 90% of the class
09:55:50 <Steven> where else would you put the archetype?
09:59:07 <Avatar> rogue
09:59:22 <Steven> giving up what?
09:59:23 <Avatar> most of the class features it gets are rogue based anyway
09:59:33 <Avatar> it gets evasion, rogue talents and trap sense
09:59:44 <Avatar> so it can swap anything of the rogue's and get bardic knowledge that way
10:00:56 <Avatar> you're right, there's not much left to swap out - either sneak attack or trapfinding
10:01:06 <Avatar> and being an archaeologist, sneak attack would be the one to go
10:02:02 <Avatar> I think clever explorer is basically trapfinding
10:05:23 <Steven> sneak attack isnt an equivalently powerful ability as archaeologists luck.
10:10:58 <Steven> avatar... you smell of crazy.
10:12:47 <Avatar> I would argue it's close
10:19:55 <Avatar> if I go another level of archaeologist, I go up in fort save (ref and will next level), another 1st and 3rd spell slot, another 3rd level spell known and trap sense bumps to +3; at 11th level I'd get a 4th level spell/day
10:20:48 <Avatar> probably take either dimension door or greater invis
10:21:10 <Avatar> I guess that's a pretty good argument to stick with archaeologist
10:21:33 <Avatar> having only two spells for haste and good hope per day hurts
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16:08:33 <Brunius_> <Cynephobn> IRC is just fast BBS
16:08:33 <Brunius_> <sadtaco> IRC is multiplayer notepad
16:37:33 <Avatar> I also forgot I have some leftover shiz I can sell from retraining
16:39:03 <Avatar> I wonder if it's wrong for an archaeologist to sell a +1 heirloom weapon
16:47:19 <Avatar> man I had a +3 composite longbow listed in my weapons and had a bit of an are-you-kidding-me moment
16:47:27 <Avatar> except, ah, that's Bairaq's
17:03:15 <Avatar> is that from bash
17:05:30 <Avatar> oh uh, I actually am proficient with longbows, I have a level of lore warden!
17:09:08 <Brunius_> it's from another IRC channel I'm in buddy
17:19:04 <Mekkis> Sneak attack is a Really weak ability
17:19:31 <Avatar> yeah but archaeologist's luck at mid level is +2 to hit
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17:19:45 <Avatar> while sneak attack at mid level is 5d6 damage whenever you flank
17:20:18 <Avatar> for a support character, that's pretty comparable
17:41:15 <Avatar> hey steven
17:41:18 <Avatar> buy me a copy of ISG
17:42:32 <Steven> why would i do that?
17:42:47 <Avatar> well because I want it but don't want to pay a large amount
17:43:26 <Steven> and so i should?
17:43:39 <Avatar> yes that would be nice thanks
17:43:53 <Steven> this is why you smell of crazy.
17:44:57 <Avatar> why don't they just discount it already
17:45:17 <Steven> because its worth the price on it right now.
17:45:24 <Avatar> that is a filthy lie
17:45:46 <Steven> hey that is your opinion.
17:45:49 <Steven> and its wrong.
17:47:06 <Avatar> actually it's right
17:48:55 <Brunius_> BLEEEERGH OPINIONS CAN'T BE WRONG
17:49:15 <Avatar> An Alchemist who shall remain nameless, thought it a good idea to throw his bomb at the individual he was trying to save who was surrounded by zombies, theorising that the zombies would each take splash damage ... which they did ... but the flaw to his theory was a direct hit (might have been a critical) outright killed the individual they were supposed to be saving ... further demonstrating that
17:49:16 <Avatar> common sense is a trait universally in short supply among Alchemists.
17:49:27 <Steven> its wrong from my perspective... that makes it wrong bwahahahaha
18:02:01 <Avatar> the ACG was $10 on release, so
18:50:23 <Mekkis> Avatar, make your own copy then
18:54:17 <Steven> mmmm burrito
18:59:10 <Steven> ouch... avatar just missed his chance to get ISG for free by it not being on his wishlist when steve went to buy it for him.
19:24:50 <Avatar> what!
19:24:59 <Avatar> I just told you to buy it
19:26:04 <Avatar> wait a second, it is on my wishlist! maybe you were looking in the wrong spot
19:26:15 <Steven> I checked your wishlist, it was not on there.
19:28:58 <Avatar> perhaps you were mistaken, it is there
19:29:32 <Steven> nope, i think you added it afterwards.
19:31:32 <Avatar> who adds books to a wishlist anyway !
19:31:49 <Steven> Someone who wants another person to purchase one for them.
19:32:14 <Avatar> well who else
19:32:50 <Steven> people who want to give other people a clue as to gift selections?
19:34:05 <Steven> its the first place my mother checks when she wants to buy me a gift.
19:41:58 <Steven> hmmmm... do i want to go vote on RPGSS some more.
19:42:03 <Steven> !rand yes no
19:42:08 <Steven> !rng yes no
19:42:08 <diebot> Steven, no
19:42:30 <Steven> turns out no i dont.
19:43:32 <Avatar> all those items are too expensive
19:43:48 <Avatar> or they're daggers
19:44:32 <Steven> my favorite phrase so far off of any item i saw "This +1 MW Rapier..."
19:44:37 <Steven> just so much facepalm
19:50:36 <Avatar> haha
19:53:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, you should play higher level stuff
19:57:13 <Steven> yeah!
19:58:22 <Mekkis> (not PFS)
19:59:34 <Steven> Yeah!
20:02:13 <Brunius_> Have you guys seen this?
20:02:13 <Brunius_> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9sp8
20:02:31 <Steven> yup
20:02:56 <Steven> oh damn i broke my pattern.
20:02:57 <Steven> Yeah!
20:03:07 <Brunius_> It's too late Steve
20:03:10 <Brunius_> You broke it
20:03:12 <Steven> i know
20:03:18 * Steven hangs head in shame.
20:08:10 <Steven> hmmmm.... should i make my character ahtuz my level 20 character.
20:12:40 <Steven> currently a DC 38 persistent suffocation
20:25:56 <Steven> hmmmm could get that up to a dc 39...
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20:57:08 <Mekkis> Either way, Bardic Performance is better than both :)
20:57:11 <Mekkis> Way better
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22:00:25 <Avatar> that is not in question
22:00:36 <Avatar> the argument is archaeologist luck vs sneak attack
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