// #d&d — 2015-01-19
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01:50:03 <Steven> so annoying when people sign in with my name.
01:50:40 <Steven> Also... i love it when people try to tell me, incorrectly i might add, how bane works.
01:50:49 <Steven> I correct them, and they try to argue.
01:52:39 <Steven> "I can bane vs a target without knowing what type of creature it is!"
01:55:04 <Steven> 23 levels of Inquisitors under my belt on PFS Characters.
03:27:48 <Mekkis> What about a VC insisting that Haste gives +1 to all saves?
03:29:28 <s_gmusic> wut.
03:29:35 <s_gmusic> why/how would it do that?
03:30:03 <s_gmusic> your metabolism increases boosting your fort saves and you think faster increasing your will saves?
03:30:29 <Mekkis> my VC did insist on it.
03:32:03 <s_gmusic> !spell haste
03:32:08 <diebot> s_gmusic, HASTE transmutation ([]) alchemist 3, bard 3, magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 2, bloodrager 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M (a shaving of licorice root) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes
03:32:08 <diebot> (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
03:32:08 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/haste.html
03:32:41 <s_gmusic> :\
03:34:13 <s_gmusic> okay, well there goes the "it could be the mythic version" idea.
04:38:23 <Mekkis> !spell steal book
04:38:24 <diebot> Mekkis, STEAL BOOK divination ([]) bard 3, inquisitor 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: touch one book touched Comp: V, S Duration: permanent Save: Fortitude negates (object) SR:yes (object)Source: PFS S3-10
04:38:24 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/steal_book.html
04:43:48 <Mekkis> better
04:43:54 <Avatar> gg
04:47:18 <Brunius> !spell blessing of haste
04:47:20 <diebot> Brunius, BLESSING OF FERVOR transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
04:47:20 <diebot> With this blessing, you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies can choose one of the following bonuses for that round at the beginning of its turn (their choice). • Increase its speed by 30 feet. • Stand up as a swift action without
04:47:20 <diebot> provoking an attack of opportunity. • Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus. • Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. •Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell. These effects are not
04:47:20 <diebot> cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste.
04:49:06 <Avatar> what's the name of the blank map that paizo sells
04:49:14 <Brunius> flip mat?
04:49:51 <Avatar> flip mat basic, just found it
04:50:14 <Mekkis> Why would you get that?
04:50:20 <Avatar> wonder if that is actually likely to get here before friday
04:50:25 <Mekkis> Get a flip map that is blank on one side :P
04:50:26 <Avatar> I need one I can draw on
04:50:36 <Avatar> that's what it is
04:50:41 <Avatar> well blank on two sides
04:50:47 <Mekkis> No. Basic's blank on both sides
04:50:49 <Brunius> Avatar, I own like four or five flip mats at this point, patterned on one side, blank on the other
04:51:07 <Avatar> the only reason I am getting it to begin with is because I need more maps I can draw on
04:51:33 <Avatar> is it worth getting a map with a pattern on it that I will hardly ever use and a blank I'm going to constantly sue
04:51:34 <Avatar> use*
04:51:42 <Mekkis> Depends on the map
04:51:47 <Avatar> recommend one
04:51:56 <Mekkis> Something like City Streets is really good because it comes up alot
04:52:06 <Mekkis> Anytime you're in a city, you can pull it out
04:52:17 <Mekkis> market
04:52:40 <Mekkis> the ice one
04:53:50 <Avatar> I think i've seen the city streets one once and the ice one twice
04:54:12 <Avatar> the city streets one was in a special
04:54:20 <Mekkis> If you can get your hands on a city streets one, get it for me. Someone stole mine.
04:54:46 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ouc?GameMastery-FlipMat-City-Streets
04:54:55 <Avatar> there's a discount code for january in the blog
04:55:28 <Mekkis> out of stock :(
04:55:38 <Avatar> oh yeah
04:55:43 <Avatar> out of print
04:56:05 <Avatar> did you lose yours in melbourne?
04:56:35 <Mekkis> I think so. Why?
04:56:41 <Avatar> ok
04:56:41 <Avatar> mate
04:56:43 <Mekkis> Unicon 2013
04:56:45 <Avatar> nobody stole anything here
04:56:53 <Avatar> it probably got thrown in with stephen's lot
04:57:04 <Avatar> let's just put that out there
04:58:57 <Mekkis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTBnsqxZ3k
04:58:58 <diebot> Mekkis, (High Quality) Famous "Daisy" Attack Ad from 1964 Presidential Election
05:01:48 <Mekkis> Theatre is used in three or four scenarios
05:07:14 <Mekkis> Are you really going to be using both sides of your flipmap? May as well have an occasionally-useful published map on the other side...
05:07:30 <Avatar> yeah I don't want to have to draw them on the day
05:07:52 <Mekkis> just get them printed then
05:08:02 <Avatar> that's worse
05:08:05 <Mekkis> If you want me to size up maps for you, just ask
05:08:33 <Avatar> so say I ask you to size one up, what do you send me back
05:08:46 <Mekkis> link to a pdf
05:08:57 <Avatar> and printing out that PDF doesn't require any modifications?
05:09:10 <Mekkis> nope'
05:09:24 <Avatar> okay, print out the map from fabric of reality
05:09:26 <Avatar> I can send it to you if you want
05:09:32 <Mekkis> if the printer's big enough
05:09:39 <Avatar> is A3 big enough
05:10:29 <Avatar> ironically, this is one of the maps that you drawing is probably fine
05:11:02 <Avatar> do you have blood under absalom
05:11:12 <Mekkis> ummm... let me check
05:11:44 <Mekkis> What's Fabric of Reality's number?
05:12:15 <Avatar> 4-16
05:12:31 <Mekkis> hmm
05:12:35 <Mekkis> time to google
05:12:40 <Avatar> hang on
05:12:45 <Avatar> you've played it, yeah
05:12:50 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
05:12:56 <Steven> im back. had to run over to my dads house
05:13:42 <Mekkis> don't think so, actually
05:13:43 <Mekkis> no
05:14:22 <Brunius> I thought you played it at the same time as I did
05:14:25 <Brunius> and ballig did
05:14:40 <Mekkis> nope
05:15:15 <Steven> so hows it goin guys/girls
05:20:11 <Avatar> don't worry about it if you haven't played it
05:21:48 <Mekkis> Which blood under absalom maps do you want
05:22:01 <Avatar> all of them
05:22:54 <Mekkis> you mean the one on p38?
05:23:07 <Mekkis> HEY
05:23:15 <Mekkis> Flip-map theatre! Get it!
05:24:29 <Avatar> I will consider picking up theatre
05:24:43 <Avatar> waterfront tavern
05:24:46 <Avatar> arena
05:24:55 <Avatar> the sewers isn't a regular one
05:25:00 <Avatar> inns
05:25:11 <Avatar> mausoleum is another unique one
05:25:47 <Avatar> don't fix up any maps that have text in the middle of the room, because that'll need to be removed first
05:45:50 <Mekkis> by that you mean "DO" fix them up
05:52:54 <Avatar> I mean don't resize them down without fixing them up
05:53:08 <Mekkis> alright. Coming up with some character backgrounds
05:54:27 <Steven> i've really enjoyed the Character creation thing in Ultimate Campaign.
05:55:24 <Mekkis> So I'm looking at an ex-lion blade who was 'burned' by machenations involving a chelish diabolist, who is then blackmailing him into working for the Pathfinder Society
05:55:26 <Mekkis> is this the kind of one where you'd get them printed professionally?
05:55:45 <Mekkis> What would a reasonable class be?
05:57:48 <Mekkis> Thinking... ranger, swashbuckler, paladin, maybe rogue?
05:57:55 <Mekkis> gunslinger even?
06:01:40 <Avatar> yeah
06:01:52 <Avatar> well I think so
06:03:37 <Mekkis> might take a bit longer then. Should be done overnight
06:04:15 <Avatar> the blood ones I don't need until next monday
06:04:44 <Steven> infiltrator inquisitor?
06:06:20 <Mekkis> Do you need the inns?
06:07:10 <Mekkis> possibly
06:07:37 <Mekkis> Is it possible to get access to explosives in PFS without being a gunslinger?
06:10:44 <Steven> iunno
06:10:55 <Steven> i think its just an alchemical item
06:14:18 <Mekkis> it is?
06:14:21 <Mekkis> what source?
06:20:14 <Mekkis> The M4 on p38 is a little challenging
06:30:50 <Mekkis> As a soviet censor, I would be fired
06:32:00 <Avatar> yeah I need inns
06:32:03 <Avatar> all the ones I listed
06:34:32 <Mekkis> Even the flipmats?
06:37:44 <Steven> iunno
06:37:59 <Steven> i think it came out in ultimate combat
06:41:33 <Mekkis> Seems like black powder's the only explosive in pathfinder
06:44:16 <Steven> why do you need explosives when you have people who can cast fireballs?
06:44:45 <Mekkis> to achieve what fireballs aren't very good at achieving
06:45:39 <Steven> my point is that magic replaces technology on golarion.
06:48:07 <Mekkis> Numeria.
06:48:58 <Mekkis> But really, my point is that magic is actually really bad at doing one thing that explosives are really good at doing: Converting a large amount of ore-bearing rock into a similar amount of ore-bearing rubble.
06:49:53 <Steven> except there are spells that can do that... sure fireballs arent great at it.
06:50:07 <Mekkis> pray tell which spells
06:51:19 <Steven> im not going to go search through all the spells in pfs to find you examples.
06:51:53 <Mekkis> I've looked and I honestly can't find anything below sixth level
06:52:00 <Steven> the notible exceptions to the rule that magic replaces technology on golarion are numeria which had that forced upon them and alkenstar.
06:54:56 <Steven> i imagine stone shape would be effective, thats what 3rd cleric/druid 4th wizard?
06:55:24 <Mekkis> not really. It doesn't affect much area at all.
06:55:59 <Mekkis> much volume at all...
06:57:48 <Steven> it doesnt have to. you stone shape lines of stone seperating pieces of stone from each other 15 cubic(lowest level) feet of stone is quite a bit of stone really.
06:59:54 <Mekkis> What about using Lightning Bolt to start the Birkeland–Eyde process, to make ammonium nitrate. To make ANFO.
07:00:21 <Steven> if your gm allows it
07:00:24 <Avatar> yeah
07:00:39 <Avatar> the idea is to use printouts instead of burning money on single use flipmats
07:00:47 <Mekkis> if your GM allows using stone shape to create a cheese-grater effect....
07:01:24 <Steven> I let players get away with a decent amount
07:01:33 <Mekkis> single-use flipmats?!
07:01:40 <Mekkis> as opposed to single-use printouts
07:01:41 <Avatar> ya
07:01:51 <Avatar> single use printouts are better than single use flipmats
07:01:51 <Steven> You know really i let players get away with whatever they want so long as they are nice about asking it.
07:02:10 <Mekkis> sure. And I'm contending the flipmats aren't single-use
07:02:20 <Mekkis> how important is the tunnel on page 38?
07:02:29 <Mekkis> I can fit it on A1 if I remove it.
07:03:13 <Mekkis> actually...
07:04:26 <Mekkis> the Birkeland–Eyde process produces nitric acid. This can be combined with sulphuric acid to produce C3H5N3O9
07:04:26 <Steven> I have my stricter days, but that how i try to run my table.
07:04:49 <Steven> thats probably going to go over the heads of most people mekkis.
07:05:25 <Mekkis> nitroglycerine
07:05:53 <Steven> i know what that is, im a geologist.
07:06:02 <Steven> im pretty good on checmicals
07:06:57 <Steven> im saying if you have to explain to people how the chemicals interact with each other you're probably going to get that dead stare and get told no
07:07:14 <Mekkis> fair enough
07:07:42 <Steven> one of the biggest complaints i've heard so far this season is the inclusion of technology in peoples fantasy
07:07:48 <Mekkis> Trying to work out ways to actually blast out a door - or a building.
07:09:28 <Steven> telekenesis? Earthquake? Investigator talent that lets you use kn engineering in place of a str check.
07:09:39 <Mekkis> oh?
07:09:46 <Steven> yeah.
07:09:51 <Mekkis> such a talent exists?!
07:09:55 <Steven> yup.
07:10:20 <Steven> i want to call it applied engineering.
07:10:40 <Mekkis> wow
07:10:46 <Mekkis> you're right
07:10:48 <Steven> yeah it is really cool
07:11:45 <Steven> I got a 48 on a kn engineering to break a stone wall on a castle in my buddies homebrew
07:11:55 <Steven> nat 20!
07:12:44 <Steven> it was fantastic
07:13:09 <Steven> So i took a brick out of a wall and the whole thing collapsed
07:13:26 <Mekkis> well. Going to have to look at taking at least one level in Investigator
07:13:31 <Steven> and we didnt have to siege the fort, we moved right into the encounters.
07:13:55 <Steven> it requires 3 levels to get an investigator talent
07:14:30 <Mekkis> four levels then
07:14:31 <Avatar> the flipmats are almost always single use
07:15:54 <Mekkis> I would disagree. I used the City Streets map many many times
07:16:07 <Avatar> tunnel probably isn't important, that can be drawn
07:16:19 <Avatar> in which scenarios
07:16:44 <Mekkis> pretty much any scenario where people are in a city
07:16:48 <Steven> 2nd level extracts pretty good
07:16:49 <Mekkis> but to name scenarios:
07:17:31 <Steven> brb gotta take the dogs out
07:17:32 <Mekkis> First steps 1, before the dawn 1, shades of ice 1, shades of ice 2, shadow's last stand 2
07:17:38 <Mekkis> off the top of my head
07:18:14 <Avatar> awkward for first steps
07:18:19 <Mekkis> how so?
07:18:45 <Mekkis> the final fight?
07:18:56 <Avatar> the map is different
07:19:07 <Mekkis> Only slightly
07:19:20 <Mekkis> it's good enough
07:20:33 <Avatar> shades of ice 2 would be improvised
07:20:41 <Avatar> before the dawn 1 I'll likely never run
07:21:13 <Mekkis> Year of the Shadow Lodge
07:21:25 <Avatar> shades of ice 1 doesn't use it
07:21:30 <Avatar> forget specials
07:21:39 <Mekkis> Wrath of the Accursed
07:21:47 <Avatar> haven't played that
07:21:50 <Avatar> I am scared to play it
07:22:25 <Avatar> I dunno what to do about sunday evening arcanacon
07:22:32 <Avatar> I either play technic siege and risk death, or take the night off
07:22:42 <Mekkis> risk death
07:23:12 <Avatar> I don't like killer scenarios
07:24:43 <Mekkis> bring a bard
07:24:48 <Mekkis> Psychic Searcher oracle with the Extra Investigator Talent feat
07:24:50 <Mekkis> and a lawyer
07:26:32 <Mekkis> (a rules lawyer)
07:27:55 <Avatar> I don't have a bard, I have an archaeologist
07:28:09 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/p38_trace.pdf It's correctly scaled, properly interpolated, and shows that I would never be a good Russian photographer.
07:28:10 <Avatar> and the jokers on warhorn aren't putting down their class/levels except for andrei
07:28:26 <Mekkis> oh, if Andrei's on the table, you should be fine.
07:28:34 <Avatar> he's bringing a level 6 oracle
07:28:51 <Mekkis> Is that the kind of thing you want?
07:29:08 <Avatar> I honestly have no idea until I see it on paper
07:29:17 <Avatar> it looks okay
07:29:20 <Mekkis> or canvas?
07:29:29 <Avatar> I thoguht you were cutting out the tunnel
07:29:40 <Mekkis> you didn't get back to me fast enough
07:30:11 <Avatar> it's okay, I can cut it off later
07:30:21 <Avatar> what do you mean on canvas
07:30:35 <Mekkis> get someone to print it out on canvas
07:30:49 <Steven> sure
07:31:43 <Avatar> the idea is to keep this cheap but still looking good
07:31:54 <Mekkis> how cheap is cheap?
07:32:01 <Avatar> paper cheap
07:32:11 <Mekkis> what's that in $AU
07:32:22 <Avatar> I don't know, less than $10
07:32:41 <Avatar> how much is canvas
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07:34:19 <Mekkis> Costs me $12 + postage per A0 print.
07:34:58 <Avatar> do you have a photo of one
07:35:00 <Mekkis> I would be able to fit all the maps (except for the flipmats) on one A0 sheet, and cut them up when the arrive
07:35:03 <Mekkis> sure
07:35:38 <Avatar> and where are you getting this done that it requires postage
07:37:08 <Mekkis> Melbourne
07:38:17 <Avatar> melbourne is a big place
07:39:03 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/DSC_0608.JPG
07:39:18 <Mekkis> I know. And I don't know where in Melbourne they're doing it.
07:40:07 <Mekkis> That's Mantis' Prey on canvas - it's a few years old now.
07:44:21 <Avatar> do you have a zoomed out version of that
07:44:29 <Avatar> oh you've folded it over
07:44:52 <Mekkis> Zoomed out?
07:44:57 <Avatar> never mind
07:45:10 <Mekkis> That map's over a metre long, and 900mm wide
07:45:15 <Avatar> well it looks good but not very helpful if I don't know where I could get it done on canvas
07:45:47 <Mekkis> I don't know where it's done. I send the guy an email, transfer him money, and he mails it to me.
07:46:23 <Avatar> SOUNDS SHIFTY
07:46:44 <Avatar> is this the same guy you were talking about the other day
07:46:50 <Mekkis> yeah
07:47:47 <Mekkis> how much does Officeworks charge (given that what I've seen them output, they're good at fucking up the scale...)
07:48:11 <Avatar> http://www.topsignage.com.au/
07:48:21 <Avatar> can't remember
07:48:37 <Avatar> they fucked up the scale when I ran library of the lion, but it was clear they didn't know what they were doing
07:48:49 <Mekkis> It's not actually topsignage...
07:48:50 <Avatar> I didn't really know what I was doing either
07:49:12 <Avatar> topsignage is the website on that ebay page
07:50:04 <Mekkis> I've just forwarded you the email chain
07:50:51 <Avatar> hi anyone here
07:50:52 <Avatar> ok bye
07:52:31 <Avatar> I haven't thought this through
07:52:36 <Avatar> your 4 maps cost $68
07:53:01 <Mekkis> actually $65
07:53:10 <Avatar> that is a lot for 4 maps
07:53:25 <Mekkis> $12 per A0 map
07:53:28 <Mekkis> plus postage
07:53:30 <Avatar> flip-mats seem to be better value than this
07:53:37 <Mekkis> I daresay postage over there would be cheaper.
07:53:52 <Mekkis> I never said they weren't
07:54:07 <Avatar> I like how he says "all inclusive no more to pay"
07:54:28 <Mekkis> I get the canvas prints for scenarios that I intend to run several times - or scenarios that are epic enough to justify it.
07:54:39 <Mekkis> like Mantis' Prey
07:54:47 <Avatar> yeah fair go
07:54:52 <Avatar> I'll check up on the prices for paper
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11:37:45 <mib_3ywq7m> how to play game?
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14:13:30 <Avatar> how to play, lol?
15:24:02 <ThrashingDragon> Hola
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15:50:54 <Avatar> hi anyone here
15:50:56 <Avatar> ok bye
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17:50:00 <Steven> so annoying when people sign in with my name.
17:50:38 <Steven> Also... i love it when people try to tell me, incorrectly i might add, how bane works.
17:50:47 <Steven> I correct them, and they try to argue.
17:52:37 <Steven> "I can bane vs a target without knowing what type of creature it is!"
17:55:02 <Steven> 23 levels of Inquisitors under my belt on PFS Characters.
19:27:45 <Mekkis> What about a VC insisting that Haste gives +1 to all saves?
19:29:25 <s_gmusic> wut.
19:29:32 <s_gmusic> why/how would it do that?
19:30:01 <s_gmusic> your metabolism increases boosting your fort saves and you think faster increasing your will saves?
19:30:26 <Mekkis> my VC did insist on it.
19:32:01 <s_gmusic> !spell haste
19:32:05 <diebot> s_gmusic, HASTE transmutation ([]) alchemist 3, bard 3, magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 2, bloodrager 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M (a shaving of licorice root) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes
19:32:06 <diebot> (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
19:32:06 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/haste.html
19:32:39 <s_gmusic> :\
19:34:10 <s_gmusic> okay, well there goes the "it could be the mythic version" idea.
20:47:15 <Brunius> !spell blessing of haste
20:47:17 <diebot> Brunius, BLESSING OF FERVOR transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
20:47:17 <diebot> With this blessing, you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies can choose one of the following bonuses for that round at the beginning of its turn (their choice). • Increase its speed by 30 feet. • Stand up as a swift action without
20:47:18 <diebot> provoking an attack of opportunity. • Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus. • Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. •Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell. These effects are not
20:47:18 <diebot> cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste.
21:12:47 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
21:12:54 <Steven> im back. had to run over to my dads house
21:15:13 <Steven> so hows it goin guys/girls
21:53:04 <Mekkis> alright. Coming up with some character backgrounds
21:54:25 <Steven> i've really enjoyed the Character creation thing in Ultimate Campaign.
21:55:21 <Mekkis> So I'm looking at an ex-lion blade who was 'burned' by machenations involving a chelish diabolist, who is then blackmailing him into working for the Pathfinder Society
21:55:42 <Mekkis> What would a reasonable class be?
21:57:45 <Mekkis> Thinking... ranger, swashbuckler, paladin, maybe rogue?
21:57:52 <Mekkis> gunslinger even?
22:04:41 <Steven> infiltrator inquisitor?
22:07:07 <Mekkis> possibly
22:07:35 <Mekkis> Is it possible to get access to explosives in PFS without being a gunslinger?
22:10:42 <Steven> iunno
22:10:52 <Steven> i think its just an alchemical item
22:14:15 <Mekkis> it is?
22:14:18 <Mekkis> what source?
22:37:42 <Steven> iunno
22:37:56 <Steven> i think it came out in ultimate combat
22:41:31 <Mekkis> Seems like black powder's the only explosive in pathfinder
22:44:13 <Steven> why do you need explosives when you have people who can cast fireballs?
22:44:42 <Mekkis> to achieve what fireballs aren't very good at achieving
22:45:36 <Steven> my point is that magic replaces technology on golarion.
22:48:04 <Mekkis> Numeria.
22:48:55 <Mekkis> But really, my point is that magic is actually really bad at doing one thing that explosives are really good at doing: Converting a large amount of ore-bearing rock into a similar amount of ore-bearing rubble.
22:49:51 <Steven> except there are spells that can do that... sure fireballs arent great at it.
22:50:04 <Mekkis> pray tell which spells
22:51:16 <Steven> im not going to go search through all the spells in pfs to find you examples.
22:51:50 <Mekkis> I've looked and I honestly can't find anything below sixth level
22:51:58 <Steven> the notible exceptions to the rule that magic replaces technology on golarion are numeria which had that forced upon them and alkenstar.
22:54:54 <Steven> i imagine stone shape would be effective, thats what 3rd cleric/druid 4th wizard?
22:55:22 <Mekkis> not really. It doesn't affect much area at all.
22:55:56 <Mekkis> much volume at all...
22:57:46 <Steven> it doesnt have to. you stone shape lines of stone seperating pieces of stone from each other 15 cubic(lowest level) feet of stone is quite a bit of stone really.
22:59:51 <Mekkis> What about using Lightning Bolt to start the Birkeland–Eyde process, to make ammonium nitrate. To make ANFO.
23:00:19 <Steven> if your gm allows it
23:00:44 <Mekkis> if your GM allows using stone shape to create a cheese-grater effect....
23:01:21 <Steven> I let players get away with a decent amount
23:01:48 <Steven> You know really i let players get away with whatever they want so long as they are nice about asking it.
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23:03:10 <Mekkis> actually...
23:04:23 <Mekkis> the Birkeland–Eyde process produces nitric acid. This can be combined with sulphuric acid to produce C3H5N3O9
23:04:24 <Steven> I have my stricter days, but that how i try to run my table.
23:04:47 <Steven> thats probably going to go over the heads of most people mekkis.
23:05:22 <Mekkis> nitroglycerine
23:05:51 <Steven> i know what that is, im a geologist.
23:05:59 <Steven> im pretty good on checmicals
23:06:54 <Steven> im saying if you have to explain to people how the chemicals interact with each other you're probably going to get that dead stare and get told no
23:07:11 <Mekkis> fair enough
23:07:39 <Steven> one of the biggest complaints i've heard so far this season is the inclusion of technology in peoples fantasy
23:07:45 <Mekkis> Trying to work out ways to actually blast out a door - or a building.
23:09:25 <Steven> telekenesis? Earthquake? Investigator talent that lets you use kn engineering in place of a str check.
23:09:36 <Mekkis> oh?
23:09:43 <Steven> yeah.
23:09:48 <Mekkis> such a talent exists?!
23:09:53 <Steven> yup.
23:10:18 <Steven> i want to call it applied engineering.
23:10:37 <Mekkis> wow
23:10:44 <Mekkis> you're right
23:10:46 <Steven> yeah it is really cool
23:11:42 <Steven> I got a 48 on a kn engineering to break a stone wall on a castle in my buddies homebrew
23:11:52 <Steven> nat 20!
23:12:42 <Steven> it was fantastic
23:13:07 <Steven> So i took a brick out of a wall and the whole thing collapsed
23:13:23 <Mekkis> well. Going to have to look at taking at least one level in Investigator
23:13:29 <Steven> and we didnt have to siege the fort, we moved right into the encounters.
23:13:52 <Steven> it requires 3 levels to get an investigator talent
23:14:27 <Mekkis> four levels then
23:16:45 <Steven> 2nd level extracts pretty good
23:17:29 <Steven> brb gotta take the dogs out
23:24:45 <Mekkis> Psychic Searcher oracle with the Extra Investigator Talent feat
23:30:47 <Steven> sure
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