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00:53 <Steven> avatar around yet?
01:07 <Brunius> try again in an hour, hour and a half
55:17 <Avatar> an hour
55:19 <Avatar> wassup
56:16 <Avatar> I thought about the digital sheet issue today
56:23 <Avatar> he made that ruling because people don't understand how rulings actually work
56:52 <Brunius> what is this digital sheet issue anyway
57:08 <Avatar> he said that you could only use printed character sheets and chronicles at tables in person
57:10 <Avatar> no digitals
57:16 <Brunius> why is that an issue
57:31 <Avatar> because lots of people have books and sheets on tablets and phones and laptops
57:35 <Avatar> that they bring to tables
57:50 <Brunius> books I can understand, sheets not so much
58:06 <Avatar> well that's because you're part of the playerbase that doesn't use them
58:18 <Avatar> the other part got completely alienated with that ruling
58:51 <Avatar> the thing was, he only made that ruling to protect GMs who don't want to handle digital devices at tables
59:03 <Avatar> in case they have to look at a sheet, get handed a tablet, and accidentally drop and break it
59:12 <Avatar> not because digital is anti-gamer
02:51 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I think it's just funny that a gamer can afford a tablet, but not a printer, or even just going and printing off your chronicles/sheets at a library
03:29 <Brunius> if you're using a digital sheet it's not because you can't afford to print a sheet
03:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I just prefer printed shit because I don't want my device to randomly die (be it out of power or just random fuck up)
03:54 <Avatar> converting my sheets to paper is a huge pain in the ass
04:08 <Avatar> one character unedited is 8 pages
04:13 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It can be, and I understand it
04:29 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> But chronicles you can print
04:32 <Avatar> I'll do it if the venue can't accommodate it, because that's a fair reason to do it
04:50 <Avatar> but if it's a case of a GM just not wanting to, I'd rather walk from the table
04:55 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmm
05:15 <Avatar> the issue with chronicles was crossing off boons when you use them, and GMs can't do that
05:17 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I prefer non printed personally, but I won't ge against those that do
05:33 <Avatar> but the online space works because players are trusted to do the right thing themselves
05:54 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I will keep an eye on those who have a digital sheet who constantly fiddle with their device, but that's a different issue
07:48 <Avatar> yeah that is very different
07:56 <Avatar> you could still bring a paper sheet and fiddle with your phone 
08:19 <Avatar> the thing is, the whole focus on the issue at the moment is that A Ruling Is Final!
08:39 <Avatar> when most of us know by now that's not the case
08:50 <Avatar> if that was cleared up, none of this would be a real issue
09:20 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmm, also as this will be important in a week, have they changed how the whole "one couple need to only buy one copy of a pdf to use it each if one prints and one uses the pdf"
09:28 <Avatar> and apparently trying to get a ruling to say that a GM isn't forced to run a table for someone is considered "poking the dragon"
09:46 <Avatar> no you can still do that
10:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Cool cool, still same way?
10:21 <Avatar> the idea behind that one is just to make sure you have the rules at the table, I think
10:28 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yup
10:35 <Avatar> you're still considered to have a legal copy if one of you has it
10:44 <Avatar> nobody at arcanacon is likely to care about that
10:51 <Avatar> jena might
10:57 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Hehe
11:07 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm not sure I've met jena
11:16 <Avatar> she got up stephen for not following the rules at one game I was at
11:24 <Avatar> I was like holy hell
11:33 <Avatar> don't get me wrong, she is nice
11:47 <Avatar> but I think she has a bit of a learning curve as far as knowing when to be lenient
11:59 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea
12:15 <Avatar> stephen didn't stop her because technically she was doing the right thing, and she was the GM
12:22 <Avatar> even though everyone at the table was an experienced GM
12:31 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Slot 0
12:35 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> ?
12:36 <Avatar> yeah
12:44 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea, I need to get on that 
13:40 <Avatar> you're running confirmation yeah?
13:45 <Avatar> I actually need to play that
14:06 <Avatar> I GM'd it when it first came out and never managed to get into a game
14:17 <Avatar> you're running it in the same slot I'm running mine
14:52 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well it makes sense to run nooby game first session 
15:22 <Avatar> yeah
15:35 <Avatar> it'd make sense to run a slot of it on saturday morning as well
15:46 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Or fs1
15:51 <Avatar> actually, er
15:54 <Avatar> is wounded wisp running?
16:29 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I don't think so, I didn't see it, but then again I didn't check sat morning as I'm not going to be available 
17:17 <Avatar> ops
18:53 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea I need to get on that slot 0 junk, and just GMing in general 
22:18 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Steven: can you explain why martial flex is better than mutagen, this is only if I have 2 levels in either
26:17 <Steven> yo avatar
26:46 <Avatar> Steven
27:03 <Steven> downloads
27:47 <Avatar> oh yeah, got it
27:51 <Avatar> thanks heaps man
28:02 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Are we sg
28:06 <Avatar> this is going to change my life in ways I can't explain
28:18 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> What is going on?
28:38 <Avatar> steven is a legend is what's going on
28:45 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Because? 
28:50 <Avatar> it's just what he does
29:00 <Steven> i just bought him a Mercedes Benz that at any time he can download through his computer. 
29:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Your context is lacking
37:53 <Avatar> have any of you played the technic siege
38:13 <Avatar> 6-03
57:33 <Mekkis> yes
57:53 <Mekkis> I have, Avatar 
10:59 <Avatar> is it hard
11:09 <Avatar> I think jena will kill me
12:03 <Mekkis> ummm
12:04 <Mekkis>  yes
12:09 <Avatar> :|
12:27 <Mekkis> there are lots of opportunities for a GM who wants to kill PCs to kill the PCs in it
13:52 <Avatar> yeah I think she wants people dead
14:15 <Avatar> it's hard to tell, I've only played one scenario with her GMing
14:34 <Avatar> we survived by the skin of our teeth and she was pretty strict
15:58 <Mekkis> it's also a technology-based scenario
27:22 <Avatar> trial by machine was good when john d ran it
27:36 <Avatar> we made the lack of technologist work, even though we bemoaned it at the beginning
22:57 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you remember who was on our table for blood under absalom?
23:10 <Avatar> Brunius you were there with kaleb
23:18 <Avatar> was it us 3 and the sleeping guy?
23:22 <Brunius> who was sleeping guy
23:33 <Avatar> I have no idea, he fell asleep during the game several times
23:37 <Avatar> despite the excitement in the air
23:39 <Brunius> there was another dude that played in here
23:43 <Brunius> friend of tristan
23:49 <Brunius> had a fighter
23:54 <Avatar> thelen wasn't there
23:58 <Avatar> not at blood
24:02 <Brunius> yeah at blood
24:09 <Brunius> nearly died, was saved by a channel from the high level table
24:14 <Avatar> they were there at race for the runecarved key
24:22 <Brunius> I'm certain it was blood
24:31 <Avatar> on our table?
24:33 <Brunius> yeah
24:37 <Avatar> baulderdash
24:50 <Avatar> I remember tristen being on one of the lower tables in race
25:08 <Brunius> I am dead certain he was there
25:14 <Brunius> assuming we're thinking of the same person
25:18 <Brunius> it was definitely someone from in here
25:22 <Brunius> I don't remember his name
25:42 <Avatar> thelen was definitely tristen's buddy
25:45 <Avatar> are you thinking of snypt
25:51 <Brunius> i never played with snypt
26:19 <Avatar> tristen and thelen were there when we played quest for perfection
26:38 <Avatar> fuck maybe you're right?
26:56 <Avatar> I really don't remember him being at our table
27:28 <Avatar> the big thing I remember from blood under absalom was the guy who wouldn't let us past him to ring the gong
27:33 <Brunius> He was sitting diagonally opposite me
27:36 <Avatar> and he wasn't messing around
27:38 <Brunius> the snake thing?
27:41 <Brunius> where I died?
27:49 <Avatar> no he was a samurai or something
27:56 <Avatar> with amazing grapple
28:09 <Avatar> we were all lol I guess I'll walk past you since that's what you asked me to do
28:15 <Avatar> and then BANG AoO grapple
28:28 <Avatar> "is your CMD 37?"
28:49 <Avatar> or something like that
28:59 <Avatar> you won initiative
42:45 <Steven> so.... 2 days now that they havent responded to my email.
47:28 <Steven> So tonight down at the shop waiting for pfs to start
47:31 <Steven> playin some edh
47:43 <Avatar> did you leave a message on the messageboard
47:51 <Steven> some guy brings in a sliver deck
48:14 <Steven> gets a god draw... proceeds to kill the entire table on turn 7
48:57 <Steven> this is his turn 7, everyone elses turn 4.
49:13 <Steven> because sliver decks should totally also take extra turns.
50:12 <Steven> no i sent them an email. 
54:17 <Avatar> what is a sliver deck
54:29 <Avatar> and a god draw
55:44 <Steven> it is a creature type that is extremely synergistic
56:39 <Steven> each sliver has an ability and also gives each other sliver that same ability
58:10 <Steven> a god hand is just a great hand of cards to start with.  Its like getting dealt a royal flush in poker.
12:00 <Brunius> i have no idea who thought slivers were a good idea
12:36 <Mekkis> they were a good idea, back in Tempest
12:54 <Mekkis> I have no idea who thought removing slivers' symmetry was a good idea
14:39 <Brunius> symmetry being that you also handed them out to enemy slivers?
14:45 <Mekkis> yeah
15:04 <Avatar> are you guys talking about pathfinder
16:27 <Brunius> no
16:32 <Brunius> we switched to mtg
16:51 <Brunius> looking at the arcanacon website now
16:58 <Brunius> interestingly there's no 40k this year
17:08 <Mekkis> I probably won't be doing arcanacon
27:45 <Mekkis> this year
27:54 <Mekkis> see you at Easter
29:35 <Brunius> I'll be up near sydney
29:38 <Brunius> at easter
29:46 <Brunius> thinking I might go to cancon next year
30:46 <Mekkis> seriously?
56:33 <Steven> took a muscle relaxer just a bit ago... blah i hate they way they make me feel
59:22 <Avatar> can't you sign up on friday
00:39 <Avatar> there was a lot of people drooling for fate of the fiend, I'm not sure if we ended up slot zeroing that
01:36 <Avatar> sealed gate might also be on reserve
03:57 <Mekkis> Heh. I played that last December
04:32 <Avatar> how was it
05:03 <Mekkis> pretty good. The GM was a little underprepared, but it went well
05:29 <Avatar> would you rather play early or with a prepared GM
05:42 <Mekkis> the latter, obviously
05:49 <Avatar> obviously
06:04 <Avatar> I am always amazed at seeing people schedule games when the scenario isn't out yet
06:13 <Mekkis> I'm surprised Goodall isn't running his module.
06:31 <Avatar> he wanted to run segang expedition
06:46 <Avatar> I think he's unavailable
07:01 <Avatar> taking some time out between running eyes part 2
07:11 <Avatar> andrei has been in WA for the past 2 odd months
07:18 <Avatar> I think we got lucky to finish the second half of part 1
10:34 <Mekkis> hmmm
12:27 <Mekkis> Brunius, this one's for you! http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2006/8/13/how-to-talk-to-your-kid-about-smoking.html
43:41 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
43:41 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Thu Jan  1 16:52:13 2015
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55:22 <Mekkis> I thought that chronicle sheets being paper wasn't a point in contention
59:49 Steven has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
33:15 <Steven> hey avatar... can you check your downloads?
52:06 <Avatar> nothing new there yo
54:25 <Steven> alright i'll send another email.
54:39 <Avatar> maybe post in the customer service forum
55:37 <Steven> whats the email linked to your paizo account.
14:28 <Avatar> [email protected]
14:40 <Avatar> so there is this familiar folio, and the description of it sounds like nothing that should be on a folio
15:10 <Avatar> a list of familiars, a list of archetypes for familiars, information on familiars within specific groups like the hellknights
15:26 <Avatar> that's stuff that belongs in a rulebook, who is going to read that on a quick-reference folio?
18:05 <Steven> meh
18:23 <Steven> I still havent unwrapped my player folio
18:50 <Avatar> the player one is good
19:04 <Avatar> quick reference on rules like types of actions and AoOs etc
22:12 <Steven> i bought it for the reroll, and it stays in my bag still wrapped up.
33:27 <Avatar> don't you have a shirt
34:56 <Steven> yeah but i dont wear them all the time
40:51 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
52:10 <Avatar> I don't know any GMs who get shitty about not wearing them
52:19 <Avatar> usually they priortise a player not stinking
52:31 <Avatar> brb
55:16 <Avatar> mike brock has done it again
55:33 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=2?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#66
55:37 Spaceshot_XperiaZ ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
56:12 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Just a quick question, mutagen or martial flexibility? 
57:09 <Steven> martial flexibility.
00:54 <Steven> avatar around yet?
01:08 <Brunius> try again in an hour, hour and a half
03:59 <Avatar> tetsujinoni made a perfectly reasonable response to it asking him to reverse the ruling, and mike responds only by pm to him
05:40 <Avatar> :o)
21:31 <Steven> i cant decide what to make for my skull and shackles character.
22:39 <Avatar> an investigator
22:55 * Steven slaps avatar with a trout
23:02 <Steven> be serious man
23:17 <Avatar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tP9fI2zbE
23:22 <diebot> Avatar, Seinfeld - The Library Cop
23:29 <Avatar> don't tell me this wouldn't be entertaining
23:30 <Steven> i've already seen that
23:37 <Avatar> I know but it is worth watching again and again
23:41 <Avatar> that is why the concept works
23:55 <Steven> no, it wouldnt really be entertaining in a pirate themed campaign.
24:15 <Steven> "Did you steal the book?" 
24:25 <Steven> yes... i did, i also killed 4 children.
24:36 <Steven> "Oh... well can i have it back?"
38:34 <Avatar> mike just said one more inflammatory post and we will lock the thread, and a dickhead goes ahead and posts a particularly inflammatory post
38:49 <Avatar> and somebody favourited it
50:56 <Avatar> and it got deleted, here it is: 
51:05 <Avatar> dear hotel concierge
51:05 <Avatar> sorry to bother you after every con slot about printing but if you could run that printout up to banquet room F13 before my next game slot in 15 minutes I will reward you with a bright shiny nickel
51:05 <Avatar> I would make the updates on my ipad but apparently every gm in the world rubs butter and/or crisco on their hands before handling anything or possibly are the ones who made nintendo put warnings on wiimotes or whatever because they were braining themselves and others around them by throwing them at TV screens and/or household pets
51:05 <Avatar> sorry 
51:05 <Avatar> I got sidetracked
51:05 <Avatar> in any case just trust me that your efforts will make pathfinder games shorter in the long run
51:05 <Avatar> just look for the guy with no shirt and the bottle of gin using his ipad as a coaster who is also holding up a nickel
51:05 <Avatar> love 
51:05 <Avatar> lamontius
07:26 <Avatar> I'm told he made the ruling because he got backed into a corner to make some sort of a rule, rather than let it remain vague and open
07:48 <Avatar> I've messaged him back to find out if he can make a strict rule the other way around, basically giving him the exact wording that would make everyone happy
11:20 <Avatar> did you hear the news Yiroep
13:59 <Yiroep> Oh yeah.
14:01 <Yiroep> Screw that.
14:06 <Yiroep> I'm not enforcing jack crap.
14:22 <Yiroep> I'll just keep doing what I've always been doing.
14:32 <Avatar> it sounds like mike felt like he was forced to rule one way or the other, and he tried to take the safe route
14:43 <Avatar> if the GM doesn't care, I don't see it being a problem
14:55 <Yiroep> I don't think it'll affect my local community.
15:29 <Yiroep> Only one person so far has said that it was the right call, and even they didn't like the result.
15:34 <Yiroep> (Locally I mean)
16:08 <Avatar> it's the same old thing - if a player and a GM disagree on how they play, they have to separate
16:26 <Yiroep> Yeah, but it gives a GM more fuel to the fire for something that shouldn't matter.
17:11 <Yiroep> All the disputes I've had or seen, though, had to do with personality conflicts and differences of power-gaming opinion...not to do with paperwork.
17:29 <Yiroep> Or how a rule works.
18:01 <Yiroep> Anyway, it is what it is. And now that it's locked it'll stay that way for a while I'm sure.
18:11 <Yiroep> Just disappointing.
18:29 <Avatar> if a GM doesn't want to GM for someone, there's already a fire
18:35 <Avatar> there's no point pretending it's not there
18:42 <Avatar> that's worse
18:58 <Yiroep> Agreed.
19:05 <Yiroep> That's why I said "fuel to the fire." :p
19:20 <Yiroep> And it doesn't really solve anything.
23:34 <Steven> !roll 3#4d6
23:43 <Steven> !throw 3#4d6
23:43 <diebot> Steven, 3#4d6: [4d6=2,1,3,5] 11, [4d6=6,4,5,1] 16, [4d6=5,6,5,1] 17
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29:34 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Sure...
30:01 <Avatar> it was a paizo brand mercedes
30:21 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha, sharing scenarios?
30:23 <Steven> i bought it as soon as i asked you the first trivia question the other day but there was some sort of digital fuckery that added it to my downloads instead of yours.
30:45 <Brunius> but surely avatar wouldn't download a car
31:15 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> How's Obama Brunius? 
31:21 <Avatar> mate I would download a car any day of the week
31:27 <Brunius> hey played a game the other day!
31:37 <Brunius> for the first time in more than a year, I think
31:40 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Nice, what level now?
31:56 <Brunius> 10
32:02 <Steven> i played my -4 twice in the same week.
32:08 <Avatar> was that game heresy 3
32:21 <Brunius> yes
32:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Nice, Ava is still only level 5, actually I haven't even leveled her yet
32:37 <Avatar> Steven: it was a trick question!
32:44 <Avatar> I even recognised it as a trick question
32:55 <Avatar> it just turns out to be really hard to answer trick questions correctly
32:59 <Steven> i'd play him more but he is taxing, because he is insane.
33:05 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm still not sure what direction to go with Ava
33:16 <Avatar> isn't ava your life oracle
33:19 <Steven> i dont know what your talking about avatar, it wasnt a trick question, you just didnt have the context.
33:21 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yup
33:41 <Avatar> that's a trick question!
33:51 <Steven> here... lets ask spaceshot
33:55 <Avatar> spaceshot: steven's life oracle saved us in heresy 3
33:59 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I just mean, being just a heal bot is sooo one dimensional, like what to do besides that 
34:00 <Avatar> SAVED us
34:07 <Steven> Space, what is Cayden's Favorite Number?
34:18 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Who's Cayden?
34:35 <Steven> Cayden Cailen... The Drunken God.
34:46 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Oh
34:55 <Avatar> haha
35:04 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Dunno, I'm guessing 3 cause why not
35:09 <Avatar> wow
35:10 <Steven> BOOM!
35:19 <Steven> space... what pdf you want?
35:19 <Avatar> wowwwwwwwwwww
35:35 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Wait what?
35:45 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> What just happened?
35:55 <Steven> Cayden Cailen's favorite number is 3.
36:05 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Ok
36:10 <Brunius> steven since when are you santa claus
36:19 <Steven> like all the fucking time?
36:23 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
36:24 <Steven> have you not seen my beard?
36:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> As in pf pdf?
36:42 <Avatar> wow I never put two and two together
37:19 <Steven> are you e-spaceshot on paizo?
37:39 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Let me check
38:08 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Though that does sound familiar 
38:09 <Steven> see avatar! not a trick question... just random as fuck!
39:23 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well he's a drunk, drunks probably can't count past 3
39:25 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
39:29 <Steven> hah
39:34 <Steven> YES!
39:51 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yup, e-spaceshot
40:18 <Steven> you have no wishlist.
40:33 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I do not, I'll get on that and then tell you
41:48 <Steven> so i built my character for skull and shackles.
42:23 <Steven> Skinwalker-Seascale Hunter.
42:38 <Steven> so basically wereshark Hunter.
42:50 <Steven> I'm not particularly enthused about the character.
43:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well, are there any suggestions to what are some good pathfinder companions to get?
43:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Possibly the north, but I'm not sure I'll use it soon
44:51 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Also, the flexability vs mutagen was for a feral hunter 1/brawler 1-2 and then whatever
45:19 <Steven> the ability to pick up a combat feat just when you need it is fantastic.
45:34 <Steven> going up against a ranged character, deflect arrows.
46:09 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> True, well are there any other pfs legal full bab classes that can get mutagen level 1 or 2?
46:25 <Steven> we have a person that plays a pure brawler in our kingmaker game.
46:45 <Steven> it is really powerful to just pick up an entire feat chain at the drop of a hat.
47:17 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I bet, but that's not my plan (I bet it's like, whatever style tree I want)
47:26 <Steven> we had a fight vs a highly mobile target so she wasnt getting her full attacks, she picked up vital strike and improved vital strike
47:48 <Avatar> spaceshot: find something you like from www.pfsdb.com and it'll give you the source for it
48:00 <Avatar> you can search for just about anything, like "critical hit"
48:12 <Avatar> take your time
48:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yeq I know, but was just asking for opinions
48:24 <Avatar> it's personal preference
48:31 <Avatar> unless you don't have the main books
48:31 <Steven> people of the north is pretty bad ass for tribal scars +6hp +small bonus
49:22 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Is Advanced Class Origins good?
49:40 <Avatar> no
49:51 <Avatar> that's only worth getting if you need something very specific from it
50:02 <Avatar> the ACG is good though
50:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmm, time for me to "browse" it
50:15 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I just bought Acg haha
50:17 <Avatar> I think fencing grace was the main feat from origins
50:18 <Steven> yeah i wouldnt grab it unless you need something from ACG orgins.
50:39 <Avatar> origins was surprisingly disappointing
51:15 <Avatar> animal archive is worth it if you're into that kind of thing
51:19 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm looking. I do like inner sea gods cause those prestige classes look cool, or just paths of prestige
51:22 <Avatar> alchemy manual only if you're deeply into alchemy
51:41 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I am going to make an infiltrator someday
52:53 <Avatar> did you hear about the investigator I want to make
53:19 <Avatar> it's going to be this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDrh5pujB9I
53:21 <diebot> Avatar, Seinfeld - Jerry and Mr Bookman
55:20 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
56:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm going to make kinda like a sophisticated version of that weird guy from that kids master of disguise movie
57:42 <Avatar> no idea who that is
57:52 <Avatar> or what that is
58:42 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It is a bit odd
00:02 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm still disillusioned by the shaman
00:20 <Avatar> yeah I have a druid waiting to be retrained into a shaman, but I can't see such a thing as a good shaman
00:28 <Avatar> it looks just as dull
00:42 <Avatar> I can't put my finger on why
01:01 <Avatar> surely druid spells don't innately suck
01:04 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well they seem good, but like how a cleric or wizard is good, but just boring unless super optimisation/quirky
01:21 <Avatar> I am trying to super optimise it, can't figure out how
01:34 <Avatar> I want to be a useful shaman
01:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The hunter can cast aspect of the hawk level 1, I like it
01:51 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The wander spirit thing is what irks me
01:56 <Steven> sup peoples
02:03 <Avatar> steven found an archetype that fixes that
02:09 <Avatar> speaker of the past I think it was
02:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Does it no longer exist?
02:22 <Avatar> still exists
03:14 <Yiroep> Yo yo.
04:08 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Eh
04:45 <Avatar> just not sure it's fun unless you're playing a concept really hard
04:56 <Avatar> and this is my weakest concept character
05:34 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Heh
06:21 <Steven> so avatar pretty crazy i guess now we should all print off our character sheets so we have a physical copy while playing online.
06:51 <Philderbeast> morning
06:55 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That's kinda how I feel with Ava, she's not that exciting or that good of a concept
08:17 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Comparing Ava to Steven's is unfair, firstly he's an assimar who put all the favoured class into channel IIRC
09:11 <Steven> yeah dudette i pretty much just a drunk that channels a lot
10:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea
10:41 <Yiroep> Scanned copies only.
10:43 <Yiroep> :p
11:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> And I didn't have access to assimar when I made mine otherwise I'd probably do the same, or have a better backup plan
11:51 <Steven> Sadly Brock has made a ruling because people pushed him into it.  He went with a Strict ruling where there didn't need to be one because people demanded a ruling.
13:23 <Steven> It is annoying because i dont like having a paper chronicle sheet.
13:49 <Steven> My hands shake so it makes my hand writting very messy.
14:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Thing is, I don't really have a backup plan. Like Avatar and Brunius, if you can even remember phoenix tournament, did Ava even do much, or much useful, that wasn't healing or healing oriented?
14:35 <Steven> i remember playing ruby phoenix and being bored... pretty much the entire time.
15:19 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I liked it, was interesting, wasn't just bash things
17:31 <Avatar> it's not unfair, yours could do what he did
17:41 <Avatar> it's more about the way you play it
17:45 <Avatar> the choices you make
17:53 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I can't change Ava's race 
17:57 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
18:17 <Avatar> race is irrelevant
18:21 <Steven> when i played it the second time with star credit the other people in the group made it pretty meh.
18:23 <Avatar> you will be assimilated
18:45 <Avatar> what do you mean they made it meh
18:49 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The race does help buff the channel, especially if it's straight oracle
18:59 <Steven> the all day cackle fortune witch
19:22 <Avatar> buffing the channel isn't important man
19:24 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That was Avatar in ours, but it wasn't that bonkers
19:37 <Avatar> misfortune
19:47 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It is when you hit level 18 or 22 at level 12
19:53 <Avatar> I still don't think the witch is as overpowered as everyone thinks
20:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It's not overpowered, just boring /annoying
20:21 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I love my cartomancer though 
20:29 <Steven> I just remember not having to do a thing in any fight because the fights never lasted longer then 2 rounds.
20:33 <Avatar> my witch isn't boring
21:31 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That reminds me, I'm gonna need to check if they've FAQs for the cartomancer 
21:56 <Steven> i also remember getting a private message that they didnt mind 'carrying my character but i should at least be thankful and not criticize them" 
22:31 <Avatar> haha
23:02 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Like do I still need to hit for a beneficial spell, do I get the deck's enhancement bonus to spell to hit and/or damage?
23:09 <Steven> which is when i used one of my dc28 persistent suffocation.
23:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Those sort of questions 
23:28 <Avatar> on the witch
23:38 <Steven> god i wish pvp was allowed.
23:44 <Avatar> I would do it
23:46 <Avatar> see if he invokes the pvp rule
23:54 <Avatar> it would be worth a try, yeah?
24:01 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Sure, wait till someone gets mind controlled 
25:04 <Avatar> no if they retaliated, I would probably invoke the pvp rule
25:27 <Steven> oh well... I guess i'll just have to print off the PDF and stick it in a bag somewhere and then use my tablet for my own person use.  I just think things like this are silly.
25:47 <Steven> I have envoked the pvp rule before.  A barbarian had a raging mount, my character was confused and did a whopping 1d8+1 damage to him, and he responded to it by him and his mount full attacking  for like 170 damage and tried to hide behind the "Its what my character would do"
26:04 <Steven> "He is raging so it makes sense i would kill your character"
26:09 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Wow that's fucked
26:24 <Mekkis> you should complain to brock about it
26:25 <Steven> Yo avatar.
26:28 <Steven> yeah, thankfully the GM agreed with me 
26:49 <Steven> so i didnt lose my aasimar character(Back when you needed a boon to play them)
26:59 <Steven> you around mang?
27:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Hehe
27:12 <Mekkis> he has a job...
27:24 <Steven> doesnt mean he isnt at his screen.
27:37 <Steven> frankly the guy was an ass and i think just wanted to be able to brag to people he caused a character death.
27:46 <Steven> im at my screen and 'at work'
28:39 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> How hard is it to change your morale thingy (blank atm)
30:29 <Avatar> alignment?
30:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That's it, danke
30:48 <Avatar> there's no good rules on it
31:01 <Avatar> do it between scenarios if it doesn't really affect anything
31:15 <Avatar> if it's because you're evil, it costs atonement
31:26 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well, it affects me being able to a prestige class or not
31:41 <Avatar> yeah just chagne it and then you're locked into it
31:48 <Avatar> obviously if you have dependent abilities, that's going to hurt
32:22 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well I'm still not sure which direction I want to go with Ava 
32:29 <Avatar> you shouldn't activate the cheesery to change alignment if you want to multiclass between barbarian and monk
32:41 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> But have been tempting hellknight sinctifier
32:48 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
33:01 <Avatar> andrei has a hellknight signifier
33:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> You can with one of the monk archetypes, it doesn't need lawful 
33:36 <Avatar> yeah I'm talking about the one that needs to be lawful
33:46 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> A hellnight signifier life oracle or sarenrae?
33:54 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Of*
34:04 <Avatar> I don't know enough about hellknights
34:10 <Avatar> just that they are hardcore
34:28 <Avatar> we had a player who played a hellknight and used an arnie accent
34:28 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> They are, signifiers are a bit odd, but they're still up there
34:35 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha nice
34:48 <Avatar> and we had to infiltrate a hellknight building
34:57 <Avatar> so my character started using bluff and doing the accent as well
35:03 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It's either that or holy vindicator for an offensive direction
35:05 <Avatar> completely fucking up the roleplay
35:23 <Avatar> matt goodall ran that game and it was going completely out of control when it became clear I didn't know what to do next
36:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Holy vindicator is cool and both ways I still get max channel
36:49 <Brunius> last I heard he stopped logging in from work because he couldn't get a client there
39:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Still have no idea
39:57 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Steven: are you able to get me a pdf without me adding it to my wishlist?
40:07 <Steven> no, not really.
40:15 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmk, Gimme a sec
41:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmk, added 
41:38 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> And danke Steven 
42:34 <Steven> lets hope i dont get the same bug as last time.
43:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I hope not
46:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea I have it, thanks
46:48 <Steven> oh god! im under 100 store credit!
47:25 <Avatar> how do you get store credit
48:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I dunno, probably murikan cons
48:27 <Steven> i gm at paizo conventions
48:53 <Steven> for paizo.
48:53 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea thought so
48:53 <Steven> not like regional conventions, but the big ones.
48:59 <Steven> pax, gencon, paizocon.
50:38 <Avatar> how much do you get for GMing there
50:57 <Avatar> that might actually make it worth it to travel if they are going to give you credit
51:58 <Steven> it wont justify the plane ticket you'd have to get man.
55:23 <Mekkis> I thought that chronicle sheets being paper wasn't a point in contention
56:33 <Avatar> it might
02:09 <Steven> alright... time to get serious about tinkering with my wereshark for skull and shackles
30:56 <Steven> i dont think i really want an animal companion, but i dont want to make another feral hunter.
32:03 <Steven> considering a Barbarian/Brawler
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36:37 <Mekkis> Brunius, what's happening to  your campaign?
46:16 <Brunius> I abandoned it, but I don't remember why
46:29 <Brunius> Sorry 'bout that chief
46:38 <Brunius> sorry gotta go but will talk later for sure
54:53 <Avatar> no problem chief
55:00 <Avatar> ...wait a minute
00:51 <Avatar> can't believe I have a copy of ISG
00:56 <Avatar> I have to replan everything
01:51 <Avatar> kind of tempted to buy another blank map, those are great
02:08 <Mekkis> I'd suggest getting a Chessex map instead
02:11 <Avatar> I still can't work out how anyone prints out maps
02:12 <Mekkis> they're even better
02:17 <Avatar> chessex eh
02:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's simple: just press ctrl+p
02:30 <Mekkis> yeah
02:35 <Mekkis> chessex mondo-map
02:57 <Avatar> it's not just press ctrl+p
03:06 <Mekkis> sure
03:09 <Avatar> I had officeworks try to print me up a map and they couldn't get the grid big enough
03:25 <Avatar> ryan k said he did it through them and I tried to do the same thing and they screwed me
03:34 <Mekkis> I either use some guy in Melbourne, or my parent's printer
04:01 <Avatar> do cheesex actually make maps? I'm only finding dice
04:40 <Avatar> maybe I should actually look
04:53 <Mekkis> http://www.trollandtoad.com/p172054.html
04:55 <Avatar> it says OUT OF PRINT
05:13 <Avatar> why is this a better map than paizo's
05:25 <Avatar> at $70
06:18 <Mekkis> it's bigger, and rolls up
06:31 <Mekkis> it's made of vinyl, rather than coated cardboard
07:29 <Avatar> $70
07:36 <Avatar> I'm kind of looking for quantity over quality here
07:46 <Avatar> I already have one of the cardboard ones and I'm buying another
08:00 <Avatar> I don't really like not having prepared maps
08:25 <Avatar> honestly the thing I hate most about in-person games is the maps when you have to draw them out
08:36 <Avatar> online we always get the beautiful looking images
08:47 <Avatar> even the best drawn maps never compare
10:47 <Mekkis> then print them out?
12:27 <Avatar> I can't align the grid to 1 inch
12:41 <Avatar> and I'd be doing it on A4 pages
14:18 <Mekkis> I get Some Guy in Melbourne to print it on canvas.
15:23 <Mekkis> I can give you his email. They will print on A0, for about $12-$15 a shot
16:18 <Avatar> is this some guy who runs a business
16:21 <Avatar> or just some guy
16:46 <Avatar> and I don't mean technically; does he run an actual business with an ABN
34:23 <Mekkis> yeah, pretty sure he does
35:12 <Mekkis> [email protected]
35:54 <Avatar> what's his website
35:55 <Mekkis> they advertise on ebay:
35:56 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PERSONALISED-A0-A1-ART-STRETCH-CANVAS-PAINTING-POSTER-PRINT-BANNER-SIGN-PRINTING-/111518255867?pt=AU_Art_Prints_Posters&var=&hash=item19f7018afb
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33:04 <Steven> so avatar.
33:19 <Steven> if you could make whatever you wanted what would you make?
33:29 <Steven> pathfinder... not like... a million dollars.
34:46 <Avatar> what?
34:51 <Avatar> you mean like a magic item?
35:01 <Steven> no character wise
35:25 <Avatar> a witch that can shoot a gun?
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39:31 <Mekkis> s/that/who/
44:56 <Mekkis> This year's Corporate Technology Expo was no different than the ones for years
44:56 <Mekkis> previous. [...] The scene was a three-hour, seemingly unending procession of
44:56 <Mekkis> PowerPoint slides with enough laser pointers to take down an incoming ICBM.
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56:12 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Just a quick question, mutagen or martial flexibility? 
57:09 <Steven> martial flexibility.
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