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01:49:21 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Is Advanced Class Origins good?
01:49:40 <Avatar> no
01:49:51 <Avatar> that's only worth getting if you need something very specific from it
01:50:02 <Avatar> the ACG is good though
01:50:05 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmm, time for me to "browse" it
01:50:14 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I just bought Acg haha
01:50:17 <Avatar> I think fencing grace was the main feat from origins
01:50:18 <Steven> yeah i wouldnt grab it unless you need something from ACG orgins.
01:50:39 <Avatar> origins was surprisingly disappointing
01:51:14 <Avatar> animal archive is worth it if you're into that kind of thing
01:51:19 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm looking. I do like inner sea gods cause those prestige classes look cool, or just paths of prestige
01:51:21 <Avatar> alchemy manual only if you're deeply into alchemy
01:51:41 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I am going to make an infiltrator someday
01:52:52 <Avatar> did you hear about the investigator I want to make
01:53:19 <Avatar> it's going to be this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDrh5pujB9I
01:53:20 <diebot> Avatar, Seinfeld - Jerry and Mr Bookman
01:55:20 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
01:56:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm going to make kinda like a sophisticated version of that weird guy from that kids master of disguise movie
01:57:41 <Avatar> no idea who that is
01:57:52 <Avatar> or what that is
01:58:42 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It is a bit odd
02:00:01 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I'm still disillusioned by the shaman
02:00:20 <Avatar> yeah I have a druid waiting to be retrained into a shaman, but I can't see such a thing as a good shaman
02:00:27 <Avatar> it looks just as dull
02:00:42 <Avatar> I can't put my finger on why
02:01:01 <Avatar> surely druid spells don't innately suck
02:01:03 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well they seem good, but like how a cleric or wizard is good, but just boring unless super optimisation/quirky
02:01:21 <Avatar> I am trying to super optimise it, can't figure out how
02:01:33 <Avatar> I want to be a useful shaman
02:01:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The hunter can cast aspect of the hawk level 1, I like it
02:01:51 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The wander spirit thing is what irks me
02:02:03 <Avatar> steven found an archetype that fixes that
02:02:08 <Avatar> speaker of the past I think it was
02:02:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Does it no longer exist?
02:02:22 <Avatar> still exists
02:04:08 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Eh
02:04:45 <Avatar> just not sure it's fun unless you're playing a concept really hard
02:04:56 <Avatar> and this is my weakest concept character
02:05:33 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Heh
02:06:55 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That's kinda how I feel with Ava, she's not that exciting or that good of a concept
02:08:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Comparing Ava to Steven's is unfair, firstly he's an assimar who put all the favoured class into channel IIRC
02:09:11 <Steven> yeah dudette i pretty much just a drunk that channels a lot
02:10:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea
02:11:09 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> And I didn't have access to assimar when I made mine otherwise I'd probably do the same, or have a better backup plan
02:14:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Thing is, I don't really have a backup plan. Like Avatar and Brunius, if you can even remember phoenix tournament, did Ava even do much, or much useful, that wasn't healing or healing oriented?
02:14:35 <Steven> i remember playing ruby phoenix and being bored... pretty much the entire time.
02:15:18 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I liked it, was interesting, wasn't just bash things
02:17:31 <Avatar> it's not unfair, yours could do what he did
02:17:41 <Avatar> it's more about the way you play it
02:17:45 <Avatar> the choices you make
02:17:52 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I can't change Ava's race
02:17:57 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
02:18:17 <Avatar> race is irrelevant
02:18:20 <Steven> when i played it the second time with star credit the other people in the group made it pretty meh.
02:18:22 <Avatar> you will be assimilated
02:18:44 <Avatar> what do you mean they made it meh
02:18:49 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> The race does help buff the channel, especially if it's straight oracle
02:18:59 <Steven> the all day cackle fortune witch
02:19:22 <Avatar> buffing the channel isn't important man
02:19:23 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That was Avatar in ours, but it wasn't that bonkers
02:19:36 <Avatar> misfortune
02:19:47 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It is when you hit level 18 or 22 at level 12
02:19:53 <Avatar> I still don't think the witch is as overpowered as everyone thinks
02:20:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It's not overpowered, just boring /annoying
02:20:21 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I love my cartomancer though
02:20:29 <Steven> I just remember not having to do a thing in any fight because the fights never lasted longer then 2 rounds.
02:20:33 <Avatar> my witch isn't boring
02:21:30 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That reminds me, I'm gonna need to check if they've FAQs for the cartomancer
02:21:55 <Steven> i also remember getting a private message that they didnt mind 'carrying my character but i should at least be thankful and not criticize them"
02:22:31 <Avatar> haha
02:23:02 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Like do I still need to hit for a beneficial spell, do I get the deck's enhancement bonus to spell to hit and/or damage?
02:23:09 <Steven> which is when i used one of my dc28 persistent suffocation.
02:23:09 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Those sort of questions
02:23:28 <Avatar> on the witch
02:23:38 <Steven> god i wish pvp was allowed.
02:23:43 <Avatar> I would do it
02:23:46 <Avatar> see if he invokes the pvp rule
02:23:54 <Avatar> it would be worth a try, yeah?
02:24:01 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Sure, wait till someone gets mind controlled
02:25:04 <Avatar> no if they retaliated, I would probably invoke the pvp rule
02:25:47 <Steven> I have envoked the pvp rule before. A barbarian had a raging mount, my character was confused and did a whopping 1d8+1 damage to him, and he responded to it by him and his mount full attacking for like 170 damage and tried to hide behind the "Its what my character would do"
02:26:04 <Steven> "He is raging so it makes sense i would kill your character"
02:26:08 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Wow that's fucked
02:26:27 <Steven> yeah, thankfully the GM agreed with me
02:26:48 <Steven> so i didnt lose my aasimar character(Back when you needed a boon to play them)
02:27:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Hehe
02:27:37 <Steven> frankly the guy was an ass and i think just wanted to be able to brag to people he caused a character death.
02:28:38 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> How hard is it to change your morale thingy (blank atm)
02:30:28 <Avatar> alignment?
02:30:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> That's it, danke
02:30:48 <Avatar> there's no good rules on it
02:31:01 <Avatar> do it between scenarios if it doesn't really affect anything
02:31:15 <Avatar> if it's because you're evil, it costs atonement
02:31:26 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well, it affects me being able to a prestige class or not
02:31:40 <Avatar> yeah just chagne it and then you're locked into it
02:31:48 <Avatar> obviously if you have dependent abilities, that's going to hurt
02:32:22 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Well I'm still not sure which direction I want to go with Ava
02:32:29 <Avatar> you shouldn't activate the cheesery to change alignment if you want to multiclass between barbarian and monk
02:32:41 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> But have been tempting hellknight sinctifier
02:32:47 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha
02:33:00 <Avatar> andrei has a hellknight signifier
02:33:15 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> You can with one of the monk archetypes, it doesn't need lawful
02:33:35 <Avatar> yeah I'm talking about the one that needs to be lawful
02:33:46 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> A hellnight signifier life oracle or sarenrae?
02:33:53 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Of*
02:34:04 <Avatar> I don't know enough about hellknights
02:34:09 <Avatar> just that they are hardcore
02:34:27 <Avatar> we had a player who played a hellknight and used an arnie accent
02:34:28 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> They are, signifiers are a bit odd, but they're still up there
02:34:35 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Haha nice
02:34:48 <Avatar> and we had to infiltrate a hellknight building
02:34:57 <Avatar> so my character started using bluff and doing the accent as well
02:35:03 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> It's either that or holy vindicator for an offensive direction
02:35:05 <Avatar> completely fucking up the roleplay
02:35:23 <Avatar> matt goodall ran that game and it was going completely out of control when it became clear I didn't know what to do next
02:36:06 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Holy vindicator is cool and both ways I still get max channel
02:39:31 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Still have no idea
02:39:56 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Steven: are you able to get me a pdf without me adding it to my wishlist?
02:40:06 <Steven> no, not really.
02:40:15 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmk, Gimme a sec
02:41:32 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Mmk, added
02:41:37 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> And danke Steven
02:42:34 <Steven> lets hope i dont get the same bug as last time.
02:43:00 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I hope not
02:46:16 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea I have it, thanks
02:46:48 <Steven> oh god! im under 100 store credit!
02:47:25 <Avatar> how do you get store credit
02:48:10 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> I dunno, probably murikan cons
02:48:27 <Steven> i gm at paizo conventions
02:48:37 <Steven> for paizo.
02:48:40 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Yea thought so
02:48:52 <Steven> not like regional conventions, but the big ones.
02:48:59 <Steven> pax, gencon, paizocon.
02:50:38 <Avatar> how much do you get for GMing there
02:50:57 <Avatar> that might actually make it worth it to travel if they are going to give you credit
02:51:57 <Steven> it wont justify the plane ticket you'd have to get man.
02:56:32 <Avatar> it might
03:02:09 <Steven> alright... time to get serious about tinkering with my wereshark for skull and shackles
03:30:55 <Steven> i dont think i really want an animal companion, but i dont want to make another feral hunter.
03:32:03 <Steven> considering a Barbarian/Brawler
03:36:37 <Mekkis> Brunius, what's happening to your campaign?
03:46:16 <Brunius> I abandoned it, but I don't remember why
03:46:28 <Brunius> Sorry 'bout that chief
03:46:38 <Brunius> sorry gotta go but will talk later for sure
03:54:52 <Avatar> no problem chief
03:55:00 <Avatar> ...wait a minute
04:00:50 <Avatar> can't believe I have a copy of ISG
04:00:55 <Avatar> I have to replan everything
04:01:50 <Avatar> kind of tempted to buy another blank map, those are great
04:02:09 <Mekkis> I'd suggest getting a Chessex map instead
04:02:11 <Avatar> I still can't work out how anyone prints out maps
04:02:12 <Mekkis> they're even better
04:02:17 <Avatar> chessex eh
04:02:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's simple: just press ctrl+p
04:02:30 <Mekkis> yeah
04:02:35 <Mekkis> chessex mondo-map
04:02:57 <Avatar> it's not just press ctrl+p
04:03:06 <Mekkis> sure
04:03:09 <Avatar> I had officeworks try to print me up a map and they couldn't get the grid big enough
04:03:25 <Avatar> ryan k said he did it through them and I tried to do the same thing and they screwed me
04:03:34 <Mekkis> I either use some guy in Melbourne, or my parent's printer
04:04:01 <Avatar> do cheesex actually make maps? I'm only finding dice
04:04:40 <Avatar> maybe I should actually look
04:04:53 <Mekkis> http://www.trollandtoad.com/p172054.html
04:04:55 <Avatar> it says OUT OF PRINT
04:05:12 <Avatar> why is this a better map than paizo's
04:05:25 <Avatar> at $70
04:06:18 <Mekkis> it's bigger, and rolls up
04:06:31 <Mekkis> it's made of vinyl, rather than coated cardboard
04:07:29 <Avatar> $70
04:07:36 <Avatar> I'm kind of looking for quantity over quality here
04:07:46 <Avatar> I already have one of the cardboard ones and I'm buying another
04:07:59 <Avatar> I don't really like not having prepared maps
04:08:25 <Avatar> honestly the thing I hate most about in-person games is the maps when you have to draw them out
04:08:35 <Avatar> online we always get the beautiful looking images
04:08:46 <Avatar> even the best drawn maps never compare
04:10:47 <Mekkis> then print them out?
04:12:27 <Avatar> I can't align the grid to 1 inch
04:12:41 <Avatar> and I'd be doing it on A4 pages
04:14:18 <Mekkis> I get Some Guy in Melbourne to print it on canvas.
04:15:23 <Mekkis> I can give you his email. They will print on A0, for about $12-$15 a shot
04:16:17 <Avatar> is this some guy who runs a business
04:16:20 <Avatar> or just some guy
04:16:46 <Avatar> and I don't mean technically; does he run an actual business with an ABN
04:34:23 <Mekkis> yeah, pretty sure he does
04:35:54 <Avatar> what's his website
04:35:55 <Mekkis> they advertise on ebay:
04:35:56 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PERSONALISED-A0-A1-ART-STRETCH-CANVAS-PAINTING-POSTER-PRINT-BANNER-SIGN-PRINTING-/111518255867?pt=AU_Art_Prints_Posters&var=&hash=item19f7018afb
05:33:04 <Steven> so avatar.
05:33:19 <Steven> if you could make whatever you wanted what would you make?
05:33:29 <Steven> pathfinder... not like... a million dollars.
05:34:46 <Avatar> what?
05:34:50 <Avatar> you mean like a magic item?
05:35:01 <Steven> no character wise
05:35:24 <Avatar> a witch that can shoot a gun?
05:39:31 <Mekkis> s/that/who/
05:44:56 <Mekkis> This year's Corporate Technology Expo was no different than the ones for years
05:44:57 <Mekkis> previous. [...] The scene was a three-hour, seemingly unending procession of
05:44:57 <Mekkis> PowerPoint slides with enough laser pointers to take down an incoming ICBM.
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17:15:11 <Brunius> Avatar: Did you end up getting anyone to paint those minis you got from that kickstarter?
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18:09:53 <Avatar> mekkis painted the gunslinger and the witch
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19:13:10 <Mekkis> moin
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20:28:45 <Avatar> who the hell is that
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20:30:47 <Avatar> Daemoc: what are you doing
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20:36:50 <Brunius> I was gonna do that earlier
20:36:54 <Brunius> but then went AFK to paint things
20:37:05 <Avatar> mate
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20:47:28 <Avatar> what am I missing
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20:50:24 <Brunius> `op
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21:26:22 <Mekkis> ？
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23:09:16 <Mekkis> 𠂊
23:10:22 <Avatar> you can't ban anyone connecting from mibbit
23:19:56 <Mekkis> ChanOP can
23:25:56 <Avatar> no
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