// #d&d — 2015-01-24
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00:30:22 <Avatar> just found the Snickers sheet I used for ruby phoenix tournament, which was premade to level 1
00:30:23 <Avatar> level 11*
00:30:30 <Avatar> the equipment on it is terrible
00:30:39 <Avatar> stock standard garbage
00:30:52 <Avatar> pearls of power 2nd and 3rd which I'm sure didn't get any use
00:31:29 <Steven> well that sucks
00:32:06 <Mekkis> heh
00:32:50 <Avatar> had blink on her patron spell list though, which would've been great use now
00:33:02 <Brunius> I know GG box hill has a whole bunch of flip mats
00:33:13 <Avatar> glad I changed that from deception to time and now I can cast haste so I can fly faster than 60ft
00:33:50 <Avatar> or get an extra attack per round
01:48:31 <Mekkis> Brunius, if they have City Streets, buy it.
01:48:35 <Mekkis> I'll get it off you
01:49:11 <Brunius> I'll check next time I'm in the area
02:07:15 <Mekkis> I like it how Avatar is arguing that players shouldn't be expected to read the spells they're casting/
02:33:53 <Brunius> er
02:33:54 <Brunius> what?
02:34:04 <Brunius> maybe I should just roll for what spell I'm casting then
02:39:11 <Steven> YEAH!
02:46:38 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwfi&page=3?Does-anyone-actually-inspect-inventory-sheets#123
02:50:26 <Mekkis> Brunius, you up for some multiplayer civ
04:01:17 <Steve1> i fucking hate that bastard who uses steven and i keep kickin him and he just comes back with the same name every time... .damn him!
04:20:42 <Mekkis> Avatar, my VC's got a habit of enforcing dumb rules.
04:25:01 <Mekkis> Would you consider it a Jerk Move to prevent a PC casting a Create Pit spell if they don't have a 10gp miniature shovel on their ITS/Character sheet
04:25:12 <Avatar> yes
04:25:22 <Avatar> nobody ever has a 10gp miniature shovel on their sheet, unless they are you
04:34:14 <Avatar> then walk from the table
04:34:39 <Steven> I printed off all 24 of my characters with credit on them.
04:35:12 <Avatar> I wouldn't give them the satisfaction
04:35:19 <Steven> I put them in a binder and i just left it at the shop. That way if gm wants to see it they can, but im still going to run off my tablet.
04:35:57 <Mekkis> I'm adding it to 'ways I can stop my VC playing on my table' :P
04:36:27 <Avatar> how are you stopping him playing on your table
04:38:57 <Steven> hrm....
04:39:17 <Brunius> There are 4 13 year old girls running around my house on a sugar high >_<
04:39:32 <Avatar> ops
04:39:39 <Steven> Yay skull and shackles starting this week!
04:39:46 <Avatar> reminds me of that table we played at that traumatised me
04:39:46 <Mekkis> "Look, I can't be seen to be breaking Brock's ruling in front of a VC..."
04:39:59 * Steven does a happy dance like a 13 year old girl on a sugar high
04:42:35 <Steven> alright i finished the dance.
04:43:04 <Avatar> didn't you just say he has a habit of enforcing dumb rules
04:43:10 <Avatar> isn't this you enforcing one
04:43:53 <Steven> no thats him saying he is not going to enforce the ruling.
04:44:29 <Avatar> I don't think it is
04:46:15 <Steven> I think im going to figure out the general direction my character will advance to.
04:49:52 <Steven> so avatar, shackles pirate or Inner Sea Pirate?
04:52:18 <Avatar> what kind of accent do you do for amara li
04:52:41 <Mekkis> an asian one
04:52:43 <Steven> http://archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Inner%20Sea%20Pirate
04:52:50 <Avatar> how strong
04:52:51 <Steven> http://archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shackles%20Pirate
04:52:52 <Mekkis> stereotypical
04:53:07 <Avatar> give me a fictional character you'd try to mimic
04:53:37 <Mekkis> I don't. I just make the 'r's and the 'l's very simirar
04:53:46 <Steven> I can take them both... but meh...
04:54:32 <Mekkis> and I deliberately stuff around with my emphasis on syllables
04:54:51 <Avatar> I'm not sure that paints her in a terribly good light
04:55:10 <Avatar> I mean I didn't like the lantern lodge, but still
04:55:40 <Avatar> lucy liu doesn't exactly cut it
05:02:06 <Avatar> the only two I can think of are lucy and that chick from stargate universe/marvel agents of shield
05:02:38 <Brunius> I reckon Inner Sea Pirate is better
05:02:54 <Mekkis> darkwhite does it that way
05:03:47 <Steven> combat wise it surely is.
05:03:55 <Avatar> no I want her to be more sophisticated
05:05:17 <Mekkis> the shackles is obviously inferior to the inner sea
05:05:18 <Mekkis> In that case, don't make push the asian-style 'l' that far, speak softly and clearly, take frequent pauses before long words.
05:35:47 <Mekkis> And be very polite
05:40:18 <Avatar> demeanour isn't the problem, it's just accent
05:43:47 <Avatar> inner seaz
05:44:03 <Avatar> I learnt just the other day that apparently all the maps we've seen of golarion are bogus
05:51:11 <Avatar> how do you learn about how a specific curse works
05:52:50 <Steven> its okay, the whole world of golarion is actually just pretend.
05:52:59 <Steven> lol
05:53:24 <Steven> well i have to drive 170 miles tomorrow, im gonna go to bed.
05:55:19 <Mekkis> bs! I was in Cheliax last night!
06:01:07 <Steven> OH mans!
06:01:23 <Steven> I dont have to drive!
06:01:26 <Steven> WOOT WOOT
06:04:50 <Steven> its time... to dick around.
06:18:03 <Mekkis> How are you reacting to Brock's ruling regarding character sheets?
06:22:53 <Steven> alright, so im going to go with inner sea pirated.... but what should my character actually do.
06:26:37 <Brunius> pirate things
06:27:03 <Mekkis> download Paizo PDFs from torrents
06:27:12 <Brunius> yeah!
06:27:17 <Steven> so pirate!
06:27:18 <Brunius> you should only run him off books you've pirated
06:27:23 <Mekkis> !!!
06:27:30 <Steven> I cant... i already bought the books.
06:27:40 <Mekkis> Pirate them anyway!
06:28:53 <Steven> not very pirate to work at finding them when i already have them
06:29:32 <Brunius> where the bloody hell are all these cho ko nu coming from
06:29:52 <Mekkis> cho ko nu?
06:30:47 <Brunius> chu ko nu
06:37:10 <Mekkis> what is that
06:37:33 <Brunius> the chinese special unit in civ v
06:37:43 <Mekkis> oh
06:37:46 <Brunius> Like four just rolled out of the fog of war
06:38:02 <Mekkis> I don't have you on water vapour, do I, Brunius
06:38:07 <Brunius> don't think so
06:38:17 <Mekkis> what's your handle?
06:38:22 <Brunius> Brunius
06:41:02 <Mekkis> Just looked at your achievement list. Needs work :P
06:41:19 <Brunius> the only game I've really gone for achievements in is payday 2
06:42:36 <Mekkis> As in, there's no Flawless Strategy
06:43:10 <Brunius> eh
06:43:39 <Mekkis> the achievement
06:43:43 <Mekkis> you don't have it
06:43:47 <Brunius> I know
06:44:29 <Mekkis> sounds like you've got FLAWED strategy
06:44:53 <Brunius> I knowprobably
06:46:39 <Brunius> Do you have a copy of "Mastering C Programming" by Chapman, A?
06:49:29 <Avatar> pfs funtimez
06:49:41 <Avatar> I almost didn't recognise spaceshot :|
06:49:57 <Brunius> did he cut his hair
06:53:43 <Avatar> no
06:53:47 <Avatar> I think he might have grown it?
06:53:56 <Avatar> he wears glasses now
06:54:06 <Brunius> Hmm
06:56:18 <Avatar> so I am expecting to die tomorrow
06:56:29 <Brunius> have you considered not
06:56:39 <Avatar> I am playing snickers and I am having trouble staying alive
06:57:10 <Brunius> get some full plate to wear
06:57:11 <Brunius> duh
06:57:24 <Avatar> hmm can you use supernatural abilities cleanly through full plate
06:57:49 <Brunius> I don't think it would matter unless the su specifically called it out
06:58:11 <Avatar> can you fly in full plate
06:58:18 <Avatar> bit of AC penalty and encumberance
06:58:21 <Brunius> that would depend on how much you can lift
06:58:26 <Avatar> dumped str
06:58:41 <Brunius> can you even carry fullplate normally then?
06:59:15 <Avatar> in a haversack
06:59:29 <Avatar> I don't think AC is really her only problem
06:59:38 <Avatar> AC is only one problem of many to deal with
07:01:55 <Mekkis> no, why?
07:02:06 <Mekkis> If you're after C programming books...
07:02:10 <Mekkis> Do you have K&R?
07:14:47 <Brunius> the uni insists I should have a copy
07:16:38 <Mekkis> of K&R?
07:17:42 <Brunius> of Mastering C Programming
07:17:50 <Brunius> from 1991 :S
07:19:53 <Mekkis> K&R, 1978. Second edition published 1988
07:20:43 <Mekkis> I have the forty-ninth printing, January 2012
07:20:46 <Steven> yo
07:24:09 <Mekkis> yo
07:27:10 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mastering-C-Programming-Palgrave-Master-Series-Computing-By-W-Arthur-Cha-/171317591958?pt=AU_Non_Fiction_Books_2&hash=item27e352ff96
07:27:28 <Brunius> Yep, ebay was gonna be the next stop
07:27:34 <Brunius> None of the typical book sites have it
07:27:39 <Mekkis> $13 seems reasonable, but...
07:27:45 <Mekkis> K&R is better
07:29:17 <Mekkis> http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421929739&sr=8-1&keywords=The+C+Programming+Language+Kernighan
07:29:32 <Mekkis> It's the BIBLE
07:31:35 <Mekkis> I think the biggest problem is how you play her
07:32:07 <Avatar> 30ft range hexes don't help
07:32:44 <Avatar> it would've been handy if I'd known vermin can't be put to sleep
07:32:52 <Avatar> the last one was bad luck
07:33:42 <Steven> its so annoying that the pirate archetype of rogue doesnt get cutlass proficiency
07:34:32 <Mekkis> Goddamnit Steven, we're talking about C here. Not piraC on the C
07:35:43 <Mekkis> How is your community dealing with the requirement for paper, Steven?
07:38:19 <Steven> but piraC so good.
07:40:44 <Steven> alright I'm thinking 4 levels rogue and a level dip.
07:42:35 <Steven> some people are upset, others haven't had any problem at all.
07:46:12 <Mekkis> brb, using google to perform some piraC of paizo pdfs
07:49:21 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
07:49:21 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Thu Jan 1 16:52:13 2015
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07:50:20 <Dray> Hello. I am new to this, having a tough time finding a game around me so I wanted to see if I could play online
07:50:41 <Steven> yo
07:51:17 <Steven> prolly the quickest way to find a game to play
07:51:19 <Steven> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderSociety/grandLodgeOnlinePlay
07:51:34 <Mekkis> http://www.google.com.au/search?client=ms-nokia-maemo&channel=unibox&gws_rd=cr&hl=en&tbm=&nfpr=1&ie=UTF-8&q=4-07+severing+ties+filetype%3Apdf
07:51:37 <Mekkis> lol
07:52:16 <Dray> nice. Thank you for the information. Do people come one here to set up games or is it more or less an informational deal?
07:52:54 <Avatar> I bought that battery for a mini and ended up forgetting it at home
07:53:30 <Mekkis> top result
07:53:43 <Steven> hey hey
07:54:34 <Steven> mostly we sit around and shoot the shit.
07:56:08 <Dray> nice. Well at least I know where to come and talk shop.
07:56:24 <Avatar> that forum is actually kind of terrible
07:56:39 <Avatar> start here: pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/
07:57:38 <Steven> yeah and that place too
07:57:45 <Avatar> then once you understand how Things work, keep one eye here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/pathfinder-society-online-collective
07:58:02 <Avatar> games do get posted in the one steven linked, but not many games are advertised there
07:58:34 <Avatar> the problem with that forum is a game can be advertised and it'll disappear behind the 5 posts shown before the game gets close to starting
07:58:52 <Avatar> and paizo don't seem to want to give it more visibility
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07:59:15 <Avatar> and they dont' want to separate discussion from advertised games for games that aren't play by post
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07:59:37 <Avatar> WB
08:00:03 <Avatar> ye
08:07:37 <Dray> nice. thank you. I am also looking at this warhorn site. It looks like there are a lot of people who play online.
08:08:48 <Avatar> yep
08:09:43 <Avatar> have you played PFS before
08:10:30 <Dray> no I have not. I have played a ton of pathfinder, but never society.
08:10:42 <Avatar> mate
08:10:47 <Avatar> you are in for a good time
08:11:07 <Steven> i wonder how many STDs have been transmitted following that line.
08:11:40 <Dray> my group split up and went our different ways, and I have tried getting a new one together and finally after a couple of failed attempts I looked online and found the pathfinder online site and that led me here
08:12:16 <Dray> Bavinga. Probably more than one could count.
08:12:58 <Avatar> your group will split up every time with PFS and it won't matter
08:13:04 <Avatar> it will be expected
08:13:07 <Avatar> and you can keep playing
08:13:28 <Avatar> you might even enjoy the group splitting up
08:13:58 <Avatar> steven: do your characters usually get a cloak of resistance
08:13:59 <Dray> could imagine that one session with some people is enough
08:14:06 <Avatar> or ring of protection
08:14:16 <Avatar> nobody plays one session
08:14:26 <Avatar> you play one and you start getting hooked
08:14:45 <Avatar> I said I'd play one, that was 4 years ago
08:14:59 <Steven> i dunno avatar. It really depends on if there is another cloak that i actually want.
08:15:21 <Avatar> I think it's silly to buy a cloak of resistance when every third bad guy is wearing one as loot anyway
08:15:33 <Avatar> especially when other players think MUST HAVE A CLOAK OF RESISTANCE !
08:15:38 <Avatar> because that just means more for me
08:15:53 <Steven> The cloaks are pretty good at higher level.
08:16:09 <Mekkis> I think it's silly to attempt a save-or-die effect against a creature that will TPK if you fail
08:16:12 <Avatar> yeah and they still drop at ihgher level
08:17:53 <Steven> Well bad guys usually have a +1 or a +2.
08:18:19 <Avatar> at higher level that number goes up
08:18:32 <Steven> rarely a +3 and i've yet to see a +4 or +5 cloak
08:18:41 <Avatar> and even if it doesn't, it's worth -1 or -2 to your saves to not have to burn 30000gp or whatever it is
08:19:06 <Steven> a +5 is 25k
08:19:23 <Avatar> what's a +3
08:19:27 <Avatar> 9000k
08:19:36 <Steven> yeah, its bonus squared times 1k
08:19:45 <Avatar> so you save 16k and lose out on -2
08:20:04 <Avatar> I guess if you have a scrooge mcduck moneybin, but it doesn't seem worth it to me
08:20:11 <Avatar> now Igottago
08:20:16 <Steven> at higher levels i'd rather have the +2 save.
08:20:17 <Avatar> two more games to be played
08:30:28 <Avatar> just found the Snickers sheet I used for ruby phoenix tournament, which was premade to level 1
08:30:30 <Avatar> level 11*
08:30:36 <Avatar> the equipment on it is terrible
08:30:46 <Avatar> stock standard garbage
08:30:59 <Avatar> pearls of power 2nd and 3rd which I'm sure didn't get any use
08:32:12 <Mekkis> heh
08:32:56 <Avatar> had blink on her patron spell list though, which would've been great use now
08:33:19 <Avatar> glad I changed that from deception to time and now I can cast haste so I can fly faster than 60ft
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08:33:56 <Avatar> or get an extra attack per round
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10:48:44 <Steven> so mapped out my character progression for skull and shackles a bit, level 11 I will treat the Eye of Abendego as Normal Weather instead of a Powerful Storm.
10:48:51 <Steven> woot woot
12:12:18 <s_gmusic> wut
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13:15:33 <Brunius> Ballig
13:20:40 <s_gmusic> what's the limit with ninja and rogue archetypes?
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13:26:17 <Zaetar> Good evening?
13:26:33 <Brunius> Afternoon here
13:26:38 <Brunius> But 'sup
13:27:12 <Zaetar> I was looking into groups of pahtfinder online since i cant find anywhere i live...
13:27:23 <Zaetar> and somehow i ended up here
13:27:56 <Brunius> We play pathfinder sometimes
13:28:08 <Brunius> Not much this weekend because there's a con going on in melbourne
13:28:24 <Zaetar> i see
13:28:44 <Brunius> Have you got any experience with pathfinder or tabletop RPGs?
13:28:57 <Zaetar> D&D a little
13:29:23 <Zaetar> im looking for groups since i found out that my former dm didnt really know how to master
13:29:36 <Zaetar> it was more like a fight simulator than rpg
13:30:10 <Brunius> You get that sometimes, depends on the group
13:30:20 <Zaetar> though i've been reading a lot, the next week i'll try to make a single player campaign with a friend on pathfinder
13:30:57 <Zaetar> the bad thing is, there are not many groups around here
13:34:46 <Zaetar> guess today was a bad day to log in here?
13:36:54 <Brunius> Eh
13:40:49 <Zaetar> guess i'll be back on monday
13:41:41 <Zaetar> cya then o.o)/
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13:46:38 <Brunius> He's gonna be back on monday at the same time when everyone is at work
13:46:41 <Brunius> Calling it now
14:11:36 <Mekkis> spoke to local VL: he's planning on ignoring it
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14:51:49 <Avatar> I'm a little surprised VO's aren't clarifying mike's intent, that suggests they don't actually know
14:53:42 <Mekkis> remember: Brock's word is only binding if you've read it
14:53:58 <Mekkis> I think they're rather ignore it.
15:14:51 <Mekkis> Everyone's at work on Monday?
15:29:01 <Avatar> oh really, is that how it works
15:29:07 <Avatar> so you've read it, so it must be binding for you now
15:31:13 <Mekkis> yep
15:33:46 <Avatar> what about your VL, he's read it
15:33:56 <Avatar> maybe he should be banned from PFS
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15:43:59 <Mekkis> maybe.
15:44:25 <Mekkis> Maybe I should be. I'm not going to turn anyone with an electronic character sheet away.
15:44:43 <Avatar> maybe you should learn how the commonsense rule can work in everybody's favour
15:45:17 <Mekkis> "Don't be a jerk" trumps "Brock's word".
16:17:47 <Steven> sup
16:26:30 <Avatar> I'd be surprised to see what would happen at a table where the player didn't like the rule and brought his device, and the GM didn't like the rule and enforced it anyway
16:27:46 <Avatar> a VO would have fun trying to fix that situation if they got called in as a mediator
16:28:22 <Avatar> hopefully they wouldn't lean towards telling the player "sorry, it's the rules, if the GM says he doesn't want devices at the table, you have to adhere because PFS"
17:56:30 <spider21b> hi
19:35:48 <Mekkis> practicing my "character art for people with no artistic skill" skill
19:38:15 <Steven> cool
19:38:48 <Mekkis> and playing the Faerûn mod for Civ 5
19:39:24 <Steven> also cool?
19:39:33 <Mekkis> it is definitely cool
19:42:30 <Mekkis> What are you doing?
19:43:43 <Steven> i am trying to decide what to do with my skull and shackles character. He is going Ranger5/Inner Sea Pirate 10... i think you only get to 15 or 16 in S&S
19:44:14 <Steven> but in combat other then "Watch me hit things with this sword" i need to figure out what he is going to do.
19:46:18 <Mekkis> "Hitting things with a sword" isn't an unreasonable thing to do in combat
19:47:34 <Steven> yeah, but i need to figure out what else i wanna do. I took Imp Unarmed Strike, cause i think pirates should be able to fist fight
19:49:31 <Mekkis> Dirty Trick?
19:50:58 <Steven> in our Kingmaker AP walter has a dirty trick guy... the GM really doesnt like it because walter can in 1 turn be like... Your blinded, your entangled, your deafened.
19:53:14 <Steven> dont really want to piss off the gm for a game I have been trying to play since it was announced.
19:55:17 <Mekkis> disarm?
19:56:16 <Steven> dont qualify... only 10 int.
19:56:53 <Steven> 17/14/16/10/12/10 after racials
19:57:07 <Steven> 25pb
19:57:31 <Steven> darn... not on a combat style.
20:02:17 <Steven> pretty much anything except summoner is legal
20:04:10 <Mekkis> fiddle your stats to get 13 int?
20:19:29 <Steven> back... sorry.
20:19:43 <Steven> I have a racial -2 so it costs a decent chunk.
20:20:52 <Steven> I'm thinking Amateur Swashbuckler and get Daring doo
20:22:34 <Steven> Corsair feat: +2 init +1 dmg w/ light or one handed weapons while on board a ship
20:34:12 <Mekkis> Disarm without using the improved disarm feat?
20:50:50 <Steven> alright, got a rough outline.
20:50:58 <Steven> time to play some games.
20:55:49 <Mekkis> My diceless character has now played three games!
21:22:08 <Steven> sup
21:27:05 <Steven> how did it do?
21:28:14 <Mekkis> Well, I failed a will save that caused me to eat a corpse
21:28:25 <Steven> segang expidition.
21:28:31 <Mekkis> and was about to fail a fort save to prevent Something Bad from happening.
21:28:35 <Mekkis> Nope...
21:28:42 <Mekkis> maybe.
21:28:50 <Mekkis> 6-07 I think?
21:28:59 <Steven> yeah thats seagang
21:29:03 <Mekkis> yeah
21:29:27 <Mekkis> luckily, one of my party members had some ability that allows them to roll a save for me
21:29:35 <Steven> that one got my Gnome barbarian... then i nat 1'd on the fort save so spent the rest of the time sickened.
21:29:51 <Mekkis> sickened would have been awesome
21:29:58 <Mekkis> my to-hit would have dropped to -20!
21:31:05 <Steven> brb, gonna start up steam to play some civ5
21:31:16 <Mekkis> Want to make it multiplayer?
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21:40:12 <Steven> nah, im missing the religious expac
21:43:04 <Mekkis> so only BNW?
21:43:27 <Mekkis> Could I get a toothpick, and use it as an improvised tiny dagger?
21:53:48 <Steven> gotta finish up my germany victory.
21:59:54 <Avatar> one hour drive to dandenong and back
21:59:59 <Avatar> not only do they not have any pathfinder maps
22:00:11 <Avatar> they have 2 beginner boxes, 2 gamemastery guides, and what looks to be a random large mini
22:00:13 <Avatar> and that's it
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22:03:38 <Steven> alright... so 3 civs left that are a 'threat'
22:04:10 <Steven> but i have 18 Giant Death Robots.
22:05:31 <Mekkis> You should have won by now?
22:06:23 <Brunius> did you consider phoning them first?
22:07:55 <Avatar> I did actually
22:08:03 <Avatar> but I thought they must have some stuff, surely, it's a games shop
22:08:17 <Avatar> beginner boxes and gamemastery guides
22:08:22 <Avatar> you can barely run anything with those
22:08:24 <Avatar> not even a core rulebook
22:09:33 <Steven> im at war with everyone and winning, its just a matter of going through the motions.
22:09:57 <Steven> until it gives me the victory screen.
22:12:15 <Mekkis> no, I mean that by the time you have 18 robots, you should have had science victory
22:26:06 <Steven> Domination only victory.
22:26:34 <Steven> if it was science victory i would have won about 100 or so turns ago. my science is kick ass.
22:28:41 <Avatar> played my first game with ulzef GMing today
22:33:06 <Mekkis> did he kill you?
22:33:15 <Avatar> I was playing Snickers, what do you think
22:33:18 <Mekkis> yes
22:33:22 <Avatar> lol you'd be wrong this time !
22:33:35 <Avatar> that's right, Snickers survived her fourth scenario after dying in the previous three
22:34:05 <Avatar> everyone really likes your work on the Snickers mini
22:34:40 <Mekkis> thank you
22:39:07 <Avatar> steven are you about
22:47:42 <Avatar> got my divine bond
22:47:48 <Avatar> I really didn't want to have to start thinking about how this works
22:50:39 <Brunius> Paladin Divine Bond?
22:50:43 <Avatar> yeah
22:50:50 <Avatar> how long does a divine bond last if activated on a weapon?
22:51:13 <Avatar> 1 minute per level
22:51:23 <Avatar> I guess a +1 keen greatsword for free isn't bad
22:52:28 <Mekkis> I wish it wasn't a standard action to activate
22:53:10 <Avatar> is that how you have a merciful weapon Brunius
22:53:15 <Brunius> Nope
22:53:20 <Brunius> I bought that with gold
22:53:21 <Avatar> do you ever activate your bond
22:53:26 <Brunius> I didn't that last game
22:53:30 <Brunius> I kept thinking there would be more
22:53:35 <Brunius> It's a standard action to activate, too
22:53:42 <Brunius> So you ideally want to do it before combat
22:54:23 <Avatar> it doesn't say the activation has to be spent in 1 minute increments
22:54:34 <Avatar> so you're basically measuring how long it's active in rounds
22:55:20 <Avatar> oh wait, you can't turn it off early unless you're ending it altogether?
22:55:27 <Brunius> don't think so
22:55:53 <Avatar> this ability seems quite overrated
22:56:49 <Brunius> oh, I can use it twice/day now
22:56:51 <Brunius> that's cool
23:01:57 <Avatar> nice
23:02:15 <Avatar> what do you use it with
23:02:17 <Avatar> what enhancement
23:03:47 <Avatar> I did not realise paladins can prepare from the entire paladin spell list
23:03:54 <Avatar> I thought I had to choose 2 per level or something
23:04:43 <Mekkis> I did not realise, Avatar, that you don't think a wizard player should be required to have read the text of the spells he's planning on casting.
23:06:00 <Avatar> what?
23:06:06 <Avatar> is this about the focuses
23:06:13 <Mekkis> yeah, the foci
23:06:14 <Avatar> most people don't think to look at spell components
23:07:02 <Avatar> it's safe to assume that "during prep" they bought the materials and foci they needed
23:07:11 <Avatar> even if the player forgot, the character wouldn't
23:09:15 <Steven> sup.
23:09:59 <Avatar> with 14 str and 18 cha, should I keep bumping cha or start bumping str?
23:10:11 <Steven> i take it no odd stats
23:10:19 <Avatar> 14 and 18 are even
23:10:34 <Avatar> 7 wisdom, but I'm not moving that
23:10:36 <Steven> level 4 or *?
23:10:40 <Steven> 8?
23:10:44 <Avatar> 4
23:10:48 <Avatar> and a belt
23:10:50 <Steven> Strength.
23:10:59 <Avatar> so start bumping str and keep bumping it
23:11:09 <Mekkis> http://r-eventide.deviantart.com/art/Comic-Baldur-s-Gate-19-195065899
23:11:13 <Steven> yeah, and then your level 12 throw into wisdom.
23:11:13 <Avatar> I am having some serious trouble hitting things
23:11:56 <Steven> well with 14str bab of 4, thats +6... it is kinda low.
23:12:15 <Steven> weapon focus gives another +1.
23:12:20 <Steven> might look at that.
23:12:22 <Avatar> no forget weapon focus
23:12:27 <Avatar> oh shit I get a feat!
23:12:40 <Steven> at 4th?
23:12:47 <Steven> archetype bonus?
23:13:44 <Avatar> no, at 5th
23:13:54 <Avatar> I never got around to assigning that ability score because I kept forgetting about it
23:14:03 <Avatar> and it made no difference either way until I got to 8th
23:14:56 <Avatar> if I take greater mercy, I'm healing 4d6 with lay on hands, which is 8/day
23:15:09 <Avatar> 48d6 of healing really isn't bad
23:15:32 <Avatar> how did this character become such a bad ass
23:15:43 <Mekkis> almost as much as a fully-charged wand of CLW!
23:15:49 <Avatar> ya
23:16:01 <Mekkis> considered Furious Focus?
23:16:08 <Avatar> I can burn uses of lay on hands to get more smite evils
23:16:18 <Avatar> I have never understood furious focus' appeal
23:16:42 <Mekkis> it's +2 to hit when your BAB is +4
23:16:54 <Avatar> on one attack
23:17:04 <Avatar> that is only marginally better than weapon focus
23:17:05 <Steven> if you find yourself hitting once and then having to move a lot it is a great feat.
23:17:10 <Avatar> probably not even
23:17:28 <Avatar> well I do that now, but I won't for long when I get my second attack in 3 games
23:17:34 <Steven> it is awesome if you go with a vital strike build.
23:17:42 <Avatar> nah forget vital strike
23:17:45 <Avatar> this is a lay on hands build
23:17:46 <Mekkis> I will concede that it doesn't necessarily scale
23:17:59 <Steven> are you multiclassing?
23:18:03 <Mekkis> I don't understand the appeal of vital strike
23:18:13 <Avatar> forget multiclassing
23:18:33 <Steven> then you should be getting a second attack next level if you are 5th level now.
23:18:40 <Avatar> yeah, 3 games away
23:19:10 <Steven> Mekkis i have a build that does 8d6+28 damage on vital strike.
23:19:16 <Steven> at level 7
23:19:24 <Steven> so there is power in the build.
23:19:38 <Steven> not build, vital strike.
23:19:41 <Mekkis> if you didn't use vital strike it would do 4d6+28?
23:20:15 <Steven> no, it would do 4d6+18
23:20:26 <Mekkis> how do you get the extra +10 damage?
23:20:31 <Steven> cheese.
23:20:38 <Mekkis> elabourate
23:20:39 <Avatar> I don't think i've actually used smite evil yet because I am always saving it for later Just In Case
23:23:04 <Steven> didnt you just say you could burn lay on hands for extra smites
23:23:39 <Avatar> yeah
23:23:53 <Avatar> I am always saving lay on hands for later Just In Case also
23:24:08 <Avatar> so that's why I think greater mercy might be a really good feat for me
23:24:22 <Avatar> maybe I will be a bit less scared
23:24:43 <Avatar> the whole immunity to fear thing is on the fritz
23:27:55 <Steven> spend them lay on hands man!
23:32:41 <Avatar> belt of str > belt of con ?
23:33:01 <Steven> how many heroic defiance can you prepare?
23:33:05 <Avatar> two
23:33:13 <Avatar> but I'll probably only prep one
23:33:24 <Avatar> I really like being able to cast grace
23:34:08 <Steven> alright, well prep 2 from now on. an always save uses of lay on hands equal to the amount of heros defiance you have... then you can freely spend the rest of your lay on hands and smites.
23:34:56 <Avatar> I don't know how I feel about all this
23:36:56 <Steven> so cats grace gives you +2 ac and +2 reflex saves. Smite evil gives you Cha to AC, Cha to hit and HD to damage vs target of smite.
23:37:17 <Avatar> the more I look at the inheritor's gauntlet, which was a big reason I wanted ISG, the less appealling it is
23:37:25 <Avatar> not cat's grace
23:37:29 <Avatar> !spell grace
23:38:14 <diebot> Avatar, GRACE abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 2, paladin 1 1 swift action Range: personal you Comp: V Duration: see text Save: SR:Source: APG
23:38:14 <diebot> Until the end of your turn, your movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
23:38:21 <Steven> oh okay... so its not even as good as cats grace...
23:38:27 <Avatar> mate
23:38:30 <Avatar> it is good
23:38:38 <Avatar> if you get tripped around a bunch of enemies? no problem
23:38:43 <Avatar> get right the fuck back up
23:38:56 <Steven> oh its good for anyone who cant wear Heavy Armor.
23:39:05 <Avatar> what
23:39:18 <Avatar> no I can still get hit with my 20 AC
23:39:26 <Avatar> my full plate and 20 AC
23:42:19 <Steven> okay, grace does not protect you from AoOs from stading up. Standing up is a Move Equivalent action not movement.
23:42:34 <Avatar> fuck
23:42:47 <Avatar> how did I not see that before
23:44:16 <Steven> Grace only protects vs AoOs from moving around. I think hands down Hero's defiance is the better of the two spells. It allows you to have an oh shit button in case you are about to die.
23:45:08 <Steven> At the end of any day if you have more uses of lay on hands then you do hero's defiance they are worthless lay on hands.
23:45:53 <Steven> and likely could have been put to better use smiting people.
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