// #d&d — 2015-01-04
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00:14:22 <Avatar> evangelist is so OP
00:18:52 <Steven> i think i explained that a couple of days ago.
00:28:20 <Avatar> yeah but I only just had a good look
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00:28:38 <Avatar> not sure where I stand on swashbuckler as an option
00:28:40 <spacenick> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205653562249254&set=a.1249370685290.37259.1560163629&type=1&theater
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00:28:54 <Avatar> opportune parry and riposte seems prettty nice
00:29:58 <Avatar> charmed life also very nice
00:30:30 <Avatar> it's really only the next 2 levels that matter, so all of that sweet 3rd level swashbuckler stuff is likely not to come into play
00:45:08 <Steven> i think imma go make me some breakfast.
01:07:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, I like the swashbucker: it makes a dex-based fighter Work.
01:07:46 <Mekkis> However, I do have misgivings about its powerlevel
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01:27:13 <Mekkis> maybe 'misgivings' is too strong. 'concerns'
01:27:24 <Avatar> I'd only be using 2 levels of it
01:27:47 <Avatar> seems like a serious contender
01:38:56 <Mekkis> I'm single classing it
01:39:16 <Mekkis> POSSIBLY considering dipping a level of magus
01:40:05 <Mekkis> I'm surprised you're not going for at least 5 levels
01:41:50 <Avatar> I don't have 5 levels left
01:41:59 <Avatar> James already has 9 levels
01:42:23 <Avatar> I'm thinking the two 1st level deeds and charmed life will be good for 10th and 11th levels
01:42:26 <Steven> come to gencon be a t1 gm
01:42:33 <Steven> get a rebuild boon
01:42:34 <Steven> go go!
01:42:34 <Avatar> mate I am not going to gencon
01:42:46 <Avatar> this character has already been rebuilt once
01:43:09 <Avatar> just need to work out what goes well on the tail end of archaeologist
01:43:45 <Mekkis> if I'm going to gencon, it won't be as a t1 GM
01:44:12 <Avatar> if I went to gencon I would likely make all games for OP characters cakewalks
01:44:27 <Steven> goin as a t1 gm still leaves you like 4 slots to play.
01:44:28 <Avatar> LOLZ what a shit scenario too easy
01:44:39 <Avatar> PFS is too easy
01:47:14 <Steven> every system is easy as soon as you know how it works.
01:47:26 <Steven> gotta make your fun.
01:47:41 <Steven> I make my fun by doing stupid stuff.
01:53:30 <Avatar> I don't know why they chose the bard for the archaeologist archetype, almost all of the class abilities disappear
01:54:14 <Avatar> archaeologists do not gain the bardic performance ability or any of its performance types
01:54:19 <Avatar> that's 90% of the class
01:56:02 <Steven> where else would you put the archetype?
01:59:19 <Avatar> rogue
01:59:34 <Steven> giving up what?
01:59:35 <Avatar> most of the class features it gets are rogue based anyway
01:59:45 <Avatar> it gets evasion, rogue talents and trap sense
01:59:57 <Avatar> so it can swap anything of the rogue's and get bardic knowledge that way
02:01:08 <Avatar> you're right, there's not much left to swap out - either sneak attack or trapfinding
02:01:18 <Avatar> and being an archaeologist, sneak attack would be the one to go
02:02:14 <Avatar> I think clever explorer is basically trapfinding
02:05:35 <Steven> sneak attack isnt an equivalently powerful ability as archaeologists luck.
02:08:31 <Brunius> should I go to arcanacon
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02:13:00 <Avatar> I would argue it's close
02:20:08 <Avatar> if I go another level of archaeologist, I go up in fort save (ref and will next level), another 1st and 3rd spell slot, another 3rd level spell known and trap sense bumps to +3; at 11th level I'd get a 4th level spell/day
02:21:00 <Avatar> probably take either dimension door or greater invis
02:21:22 <Avatar> I guess that's a pretty good argument to stick with archaeologist
02:21:46 <Avatar> having only two spells for haste and good hope per day hurts
03:42:27 <Steven> "Steve you should watch this movie. It is awesome!"
03:42:40 <Steven> i watch the movie. I have no fucking clue what the movie is about.
03:55:17 <Steven> time to find something else to watch
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08:14:10 <Avatar> evangelist is so OP
08:18:40 <Steven> i think i explained that a couple of days ago.
08:28:08 <Avatar> yeah but I only just had a good look
08:28:26 <Avatar> not sure where I stand on swashbuckler as an option
08:28:28 <spacenick> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205653562249254&set=a.1249370685290.37259.1560163629&type=1&theater
08:28:42 <Avatar> opportune parry and riposte seems prettty nice
08:29:46 <Avatar> charmed life also very nice
08:30:18 <Avatar> it's really only the next 2 levels that matter, so all of that sweet 3rd level swashbuckler stuff is likely not to come into play
08:44:56 <Steven> i think imma go make me some breakfast.
09:07:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, I like the swashbucker: it makes a dex-based fighter Work.
09:07:34 <Mekkis> However, I do have misgivings about its powerlevel
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09:19:14 <Mekkis> Sneak attack is a Really weak ability
09:19:42 <Avatar> yeah but archaeologist's luck at mid level is +2 to hit
09:19:56 <Avatar> while sneak attack at mid level is 5d6 damage whenever you flank
09:20:28 <Avatar> for a support character, that's pretty comparable
09:27:02 <Mekkis> maybe 'misgivings' is too strong. 'concerns'
09:27:12 <Avatar> I'd only be using 2 levels of it
09:27:35 <Avatar> seems like a serious contender
09:38:44 <Mekkis> I'm single classing it
09:39:04 <Mekkis> POSSIBLY considering dipping a level of magus
09:39:53 <Mekkis> I'm surprised you're not going for at least 5 levels
09:41:38 <Avatar> I don't have 5 levels left
09:41:47 <Avatar> James already has 9 levels
09:42:11 <Avatar> I'm thinking the two 1st level deeds and charmed life will be good for 10th and 11th levels
09:42:14 <Steven> come to gencon be a t1 gm
09:42:20 <Steven> get a rebuild boon
09:42:22 <Steven> go go!
09:42:22 <Avatar> mate I am not going to gencon
09:42:33 <Avatar> this character has already been rebuilt once
09:42:57 <Avatar> just need to work out what goes well on the tail end of archaeologist
09:43:33 <Mekkis> if I'm going to gencon, it won't be as a t1 GM
09:44:00 <Avatar> if I went to gencon I would likely make all games for OP characters cakewalks
09:44:15 <Steven> goin as a t1 gm still leaves you like 4 slots to play.
09:44:16 <Avatar> LOLZ what a shit scenario too easy
09:44:27 <Avatar> PFS is too easy
09:47:02 <Steven> every system is easy as soon as you know how it works.
09:47:14 <Steven> gotta make your fun.
09:47:29 <Steven> I make my fun by doing stupid stuff.
09:53:18 <Avatar> I don't know why they chose the bard for the archaeologist archetype, almost all of the class abilities disappear
09:54:02 <Avatar> archaeologists do not gain the bardic performance ability or any of its performance types
09:54:07 <Avatar> that's 90% of the class
09:55:50 <Steven> where else would you put the archetype?
09:59:07 <Avatar> rogue
09:59:22 <Steven> giving up what?
09:59:23 <Avatar> most of the class features it gets are rogue based anyway
09:59:33 <Avatar> it gets evasion, rogue talents and trap sense
09:59:44 <Avatar> so it can swap anything of the rogue's and get bardic knowledge that way
10:00:56 <Avatar> you're right, there's not much left to swap out - either sneak attack or trapfinding
10:01:06 <Avatar> and being an archaeologist, sneak attack would be the one to go
10:02:02 <Avatar> I think clever explorer is basically trapfinding
10:05:23 <Steven> sneak attack isnt an equivalently powerful ability as archaeologists luck.
10:12:47 <Avatar> I would argue it's close
10:19:55 <Avatar> if I go another level of archaeologist, I go up in fort save (ref and will next level), another 1st and 3rd spell slot, another 3rd level spell known and trap sense bumps to +3; at 11th level I'd get a 4th level spell/day
10:20:48 <Avatar> probably take either dimension door or greater invis
10:21:10 <Avatar> I guess that's a pretty good argument to stick with archaeologist
10:21:33 <Avatar> having only two spells for haste and good hope per day hurts
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12:57:19 <Mekkis> Either way, Bardic Performance is better than both :)
12:57:22 <Mekkis> Way better
16:37:33 <Avatar> I also forgot I have some leftover shiz I can sell from retraining
16:39:03 <Avatar> I wonder if it's wrong for an archaeologist to sell a +1 heirloom weapon
16:47:19 <Avatar> man I had a +3 composite longbow listed in my weapons and had a bit of an are-you-kidding-me moment
16:47:27 <Avatar> except, ah, that's Bairaq's
17:05:30 <Avatar> oh uh, I actually am proficient with longbows, I have a level of lore warden!
17:19:04 <Mekkis> Sneak attack is a Really weak ability
17:19:31 <Avatar> yeah but archaeologist's luck at mid level is +2 to hit
17:19:45 <Avatar> while sneak attack at mid level is 5d6 damage whenever you flank
17:20:18 <Avatar> for a support character, that's pretty comparable
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19:03:53 <Mekkis> Brunius, yes
19:03:56 <Mekkis> yes you should
20:46:05 <Avatar> especially if you playing online distracts you
20:57:08 <Mekkis> Either way, Bardic Performance is better than both :)
20:57:11 <Mekkis> Way better
21:48:28 <Brunius> Yeah, it's far better in person, especially if I sit near the DM
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21:53:36 <Steven> yo
21:54:15 <Brunius> oh god
21:54:46 <Steven> you can call me steve
21:55:07 <Steven> okay thats pretty horrible.
21:55:22 <Steven> what up bruniu
22:00:25 <Avatar> that is not in question
22:00:36 <Avatar> the argument is archaeologist luck vs sneak attack
22:34:36 <Avatar> think I'm going with another 2 levels of archaeologist after all
22:34:40 <Avatar> I want my spellz
22:35:19 <Avatar> I'm actually not sure it's worth buying a ranged weapon after all
22:37:37 <Brunius> I'm thinking of making like, a halfling fighter
22:37:50 <Brunius> or even going with *shudder* a gnome
22:53:22 <Mekkis> what is wrong with gnomes? Is Mort getting to you?
23:00:35 <Avatar> gnomes are problematic
23:00:47 <Avatar> halfling fighters don't work well from what I remember
23:00:48 <Mekkis> how so?
23:00:57 <Avatar> they are weird
23:01:01 <Avatar> second only to wayangs
23:01:32 <Avatar> aren't halfling martials constantly hampered by shitty weapon damage
23:02:03 <Brunius> gnomes would be too
23:02:44 <Avatar> yeah
23:03:01 <Avatar> dwarf would be alright
23:03:08 <Avatar> you could roleplay with a scottish accent
23:03:52 <Avatar> I keep trying to use an english accent for James but I'm not very good at english accents
23:04:03 <Avatar> he basically sounds the same as that guy from The Mummy
23:05:40 <s_gmusic> imhotep?\
23:06:01 <Mekkis> Avatar, and all the variants of asimaar and tiefling aren't 'weird'?
23:06:28 <Mekkis> hell, they're more problematic that any core race. Breaking scenarios by being 'outsiders'
23:07:13 <Avatar> not imhotep, the brother
23:07:24 <Avatar> aasimar and tiefling variants are cheesy, not weird
23:08:01 <Mekkis> Tell that to any NPC spellcaster whose tactics include spells like Hideous Laughter and Dominate Person
23:08:33 <Avatar> what does that have to do with anything
23:09:19 <s_gmusic> that's why I liked it in a couple home games, the GM ruled they were affected by those spells. "You were born on THIS plane and have only a SLIGHT TOUCH of 'other', why wouldn't it affect you?"
23:09:50 <Avatar> are we talking about something separate now
23:10:32 <Mekkis> The Native Outsiders clearly break scenarios by not being humanoid.
23:10:51 <Mekkis> And they're just as weird - if not more so - than gnomes
23:11:19 <s_gmusic> gnome weirdness should be expected. they're FUCKING GNOMES
23:17:54 <Avatar> that's my point
23:18:44 <Avatar> is there a better long range tactic than a longbow
23:18:50 <Avatar> should I just save up for my flying carpet
23:23:35 <Avatar> might re-schedule Words of the Ancients for saturday
23:24:33 <Mekkis> I'd rather a table of players roleplaying gnome weirdness than a table of players not roleplaying
23:24:37 <Avatar> my prestige on James' sheet makes it look like I died once or twice, but looking at my scenario list, I can't work out what scenario I died in?
23:24:53 <Avatar> you say that but I have never seen you roleplay your gnome
23:26:25 <Mekkis> Not with the typical gnome craziness, no. Not all gnomes act like that.
23:28:32 <Avatar> they basically do
23:31:17 <Avatar> so how much do you reckon you can get for selling an heirloom weapon
23:42:00 <Mekkis> the basic rule of PFS is that you get half of what you paid for it
23:42:15 <Avatar> yeah but it's an heirloom so it's probably valuable !
23:42:18 <Mekkis> if you paid nothing, you get nothing
23:42:24 <Mekkis> Sentimental value
23:42:46 <Avatar> I think I paid for it?
23:48:28 <Steven> sup
23:48:40 <Steven> im back... i had to get myself some food
23:53:00 <s_gmusic> wb
23:54:34 <Steven> so whats happenin?
23:54:44 <Avatar> I've been putting a whole bunch of ranks in escape artist, and somehow my CMD has climbed way above my escape artist anyway
23:55:00 <Avatar> is that skill a trap
23:55:15 <Avatar> that's even with a dumped str
23:56:33 <Avatar> escape artist > 8(ranks) + 4(dex) + 3(class) -2 (ACP) = 13
23:57:11 <Avatar> CMD > 7(BAB) - 2(str) + 4(dex) + 10 = 19
23:57:28 <Avatar> I think I want my ranks back
23:58:29 <s_gmusic> it should be cheap to retrain a skill
23:58:42 <Avatar> no I am saving for a flying carpet sorry
23:58:56 <s_gmusic> lol
23:59:00 <Avatar> none of this buy a ranged weapon bollocks
23:59:10 <Avatar> 1d8 damage at level 10 I don't think so son
23:59:22 <s_gmusic> what?
23:59:29 <Avatar> a longbow does 1d8 damage
23:59:33 <s_gmusic> yes.
23:59:39 <Avatar> it's not enough !
23:59:39 <s_gmusic> but who said anything about buying one?
23:59:47 <Avatar> I needed one in the last scenario we played
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