// #d&d — 2013-05-30
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00:40:34 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 1st 10am (7-11,Steven) | WotW: TBA | TrS: Sun 2nd 10am || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
00:40:34 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat May 25 19:59:50 2013
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01:17:39 <Steven> the store was all out of pie i wanted
01:17:53 <Steven> so i got a donut unstead
01:21:53 <Steven> also, my headache has been upgraded to a migraine.
01:22:10 <Steven> but im back now.
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01:32:27 <Mekkis> should I run something?
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01:39:22 <cdip> u got yourself a
01:39:31 <cdip> dddddddd n ddddddddddddddd
01:39:37 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:39:39 <cdip> dddddddd n ddddddddddddddd
01:39:40 <cdip> \
01:39:42 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:39:43 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:39:44 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:39:46 <cdip> dddddddd n ddddddddddddddd
01:39:49 <cdip> u got yourself a
01:39:50 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:39:51 <cdip> dddddddd n ddddddddddddddd
01:39:53 <cdip> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:44:10 <Brunius> all he wanted to do was party
01:45:56 <spider21b> hi
01:49:56 <Steven> damn dice bot... what a party pooper
01:52:49 <Steven> do ya want to?
01:54:32 <Mekkis> somewhat. I think I'd rather play though...
01:59:42 <Steven> maybe when i get home here in a few
02:05:34 <Mekkis> D ampersand D!
02:13:48 <Steven> you party animal mekkis
02:16:02 <spider21b> throw! 1d20+30
02:18:01 <spider21b> !throw 1d20+30
02:18:01 <diebot> spider21b, 1d20+30: [1d20=5] 35
02:22:25 <Mekkis> so... I have a 10th level PFS-legal character that seems to be the most broken I've encountered so far
02:37:30 <Steven> well im glad i havent played any of my recent characters in here.
02:39:25 <Steven> but really tell us of your character
02:39:51 <Steven> also i have brussel sprouts
02:41:39 <Mekkis> basically, spend all your money on a familiar
02:46:53 <Steven> damn interne is being finniky
02:46:55 <Steven> brb
02:50:10 <Steven> hate it when the internet does that
02:56:43 <Steven> so whats the deal with your familiar and gold.
03:03:10 <Avatar> Mekkis: what's the appeal of trying to make broken characters
03:05:57 <Steven> im still trying to figure out if he means broken underpower or broken overpowered
03:06:07 <Avatar> overpowered
03:06:16 <Avatar> any dolt can make an underpowered character
03:06:36 * Steven looks red in the face. "Must resist..."
03:08:13 <Avatar> go on
03:08:21 <Steven> no im fine....
03:08:29 <Steven> i successfully resisted
03:09:51 <Steven> my VC has a character with an imp that carries around a wand of haste and dispel magic CL11
03:09:59 <Steven> Ill omen
03:10:03 <Steven> and a few others
03:12:13 <Steven> if anyone here has a familiar that can use a wand, wand of ill omen... so good
03:12:18 <Avatar> if any of you don't have awesomenauts or hotline miami, take a beeline to www.humblebundle.com and get it now
03:13:23 <Steven> no saving throw and roll twice take less favorable result
03:16:10 <Avatar> Mekkis: got a plan for next saturday?
03:17:14 <Steven> im home
03:17:21 <Steven> chowing on some fries
03:17:25 <Steven> mmmmmmm fries
03:17:31 <Avatar> steven the fry chower
03:19:18 <Avatar> I believe the word you used was chower
03:20:58 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> happy?
03:21:13 <Avatar> yes
03:23:15 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> kk
03:24:34 <Steven> wonder if my cacodeamon can use a wand
03:25:51 <Steven> probably not, which means i cant do the familiar hasting
03:25:54 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> love them fries
03:26:25 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> wish they would release the two new scenarios already
03:26:33 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FUCKIN BOON IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:27:02 <Mekkis> sounds horribly metagamey
03:27:47 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> im a VL its allowed.
03:27:49 <Steven> so... avatar... whatcha think we should do with some of the money?
03:28:22 <Mekkis> so you SHOULD be setting a good example for others!
03:28:39 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i m
03:28:51 <Mekkis> I'll remember that next time someone accuses me of metagaming
03:28:54 <Avatar> what money
03:29:14 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i am, by knowing certain things i can correctly advise them on what to do without them metagaming.
03:29:16 <Avatar> you do mr i check the rafters
03:29:33 <Mekkis> Avatar, sure, but I didn't say 'But VLs do it' back then!
03:29:42 <Mekkis> but hey, VLs do it, so it's FINE!
03:29:55 <Steven> from wotw
03:30:13 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> yup, VLs and VCs and GMs are all allowed to look at any scenario they can download
03:30:16 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> read said scenario
03:30:33 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> and decide to schedule it based on what they read
03:31:03 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> like, ive read Dalsine affair... since i've become VL its never been run.
03:31:15 <Steven> 6367g
03:31:24 <Steven> and a +1 trident
03:31:26 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> same with ghenett manor gauntlet
03:31:36 <Steven> and a fuck ton of Ivory
03:31:45 <Steven> well not a fuck ton, but we hope its a fuckton
03:32:32 <Avatar> not sure I needed anything
03:32:48 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> but your right, its super metagamey... so this sunday... running both at the shop.
03:32:53 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> gonna get me a TPK
03:33:24 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> or a surprise round kill... mmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah
03:34:48 <Steven> lets get you a quick runner's shirt
03:35:12 <Steven> once per day, swift action to get an additional move action.
03:35:20 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww balls
03:35:29 <Steven> so you can standard, move and cackle
03:35:31 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> release date pushed until later today.
03:36:06 <Mekkis> but you're stating that you're not reading it so you can schedule it, you're reading it so you can see what the boon is!
03:36:15 <Steven> or we can just wait and get you a cackling hag's Blouse later
03:39:35 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> im reading it because i should read it incase i need to run it, im excited about reading it because of the boon.
03:41:38 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i should have bought a pie when i was at the store.
03:52:07 <Steven> i dunno bout you avatar, but i cant wait for next level... get to contagion people.
03:52:12 <Steven> from a distance
03:53:07 <Steven> from 150ft away...
03:53:10 <Steven> lol
03:55:20 <Steven> imma go read my book, mebe fall asleep....
03:57:06 <Avatar> don't buy things I don't need
03:57:12 <Avatar> it's group money
04:03:54 <Steven> im in the same boat
04:04:09 <Steven> anything i want, probably cant be bought in a good aligned town
04:06:37 <Ballig> still can't figure out what makes dicebot crash when he bans that guy
04:08:16 <Steven> its his enthusiasm
04:13:43 <Avatar> sometimes I quit when I feel enthusiastic
04:17:06 <Steven> i think thats the right play man
04:20:08 <Avatar> has anyone not played storming the diamond gate / fortress of the nail and have a preference to play one over the other
04:20:33 <Avatar> 3-7, 5-9 respectively
04:21:04 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> alright, goin to take me a nap.... keep it real
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04:29:41 <Avatar> mekkis
04:31:36 <Brunius> I haven't played either
04:31:43 <Avatar> preference?
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04:35:52 <Mekkis> Steven: are you free on the 8th?
04:49:02 <Avatar> I don't mind the sipping jacket for 5000
04:57:29 <Avatar> all tools vest might be good
04:57:43 <Avatar> 1800gp, gives us what we need to craft shit
05:10:43 <YoshitheDreamEater> Hello?
05:11:00 <Avatar> hello
05:11:30 <YoshitheDreamEater> So, I am new at this...But I always wanted to try
05:11:42 <Avatar> played any pathfinder before?
05:11:59 <YoshitheDreamEater> I watched my friends one day
05:12:06 <Avatar> perfect
05:12:09 <Avatar> roll up a character
05:12:54 <YoshitheDreamEater> How do I use the die?
05:13:07 <Avatar> don't, for now
05:13:16 <Avatar> click getting started on the front page at www.pfrpg.com.au
05:13:26 <Avatar> all the links you need are there, get the PFS guide
05:18:13 <Avatar> I made about a post about the gunslinger feat problem, I'm getting the worst advice ever
05:19:10 <Avatar> "gunslinger seems like a cool prestige class" "don't you need rapid reload to fire as a free action"
05:19:39 <Avatar> the whole post was about not increasing damage output, but weapon focus was recommended
05:19:52 <Avatar> not as a pre-req, just weapon focus in case I can't hit things
05:27:07 <Steven> fellin mighty lazy right now.
05:33:40 <Brunius> link?
05:34:03 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pt0w?Ideal-gunslinger-feats
05:36:01 <Mekkis> Avatar, I will run WotW on the 8th.
05:41:50 <Steven> feeling even
05:55:47 <Brunius> ...
06:11:09 <Brunius> sup
06:13:53 <spider21b> nothing much
06:17:42 <spider21b> was wondering have you ever played an eldrich knight?
06:18:13 <Brunius> Weren't they slightly obsoleted by magus?
06:19:52 <spider21b> well yes and no
06:20:26 <spider21b> i mean ones a based class and the other is a prestige class
06:21:29 <spider21b> and i have my level 4 wizard 1 level in fighter so i am going eldrich knight but do you think its better or worse then a magus
06:21:32 <spider21b> ?
06:23:59 <Avatar> okay
06:24:33 <Avatar> magus sux
06:24:38 <Brunius> I don't know
06:25:00 <Avatar> 1.30?
06:28:17 <spider21b> back
06:28:45 <spider21b> what did you say avatar?
06:28:58 <Avatar> I said magus sux but not as much as the synthesist
06:29:12 <Avatar> it's ok though because synthesists are banned
06:30:25 <Avatar> wasn't there a book that had new ways to use skills
06:30:33 <Avatar> or am I thinking d&d
06:32:14 <spider21b> your thinking D&D
06:33:27 <Avatar> what book was that in
06:33:36 <spider21b> hold on
06:34:44 <spider21b> i have no idea
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06:39:25 <spider21b> i just wanted to know if you have played as one in pathfinder?
06:39:59 <Avatar> as a synthesist? no
06:40:02 <Avatar> they are banned
06:40:16 <Avatar> you cannot choose to play a synthesist
06:40:23 <Avatar> no matter how much you want to
06:41:15 <Avatar> damn I missed wrothmonk
06:41:29 <spider21b> no i ment eldrich knight
06:41:58 <Avatar> couldn't tell you
06:43:41 <spider21b> that's what i am doing with spellbook
06:44:09 <Avatar> brunius are you about
06:44:13 <Brunius> sup
06:44:19 <Avatar> are you keen to play on friday
06:44:27 <Brunius> like tomorrow
06:44:32 <Avatar> next week
06:44:44 <Brunius> uh I dunno
06:45:05 <Avatar> just working out who to choose a scenario for
06:46:58 <Avatar> my goal as a gunslinger is to, before retiring, set off that powder keg he's been holding since blood under absalom
06:52:07 <Avatar> maybe infernal vault
06:52:44 <Avatar> looks like wrothmonk has played that one and the aussies haven't
06:56:30 <spider21b> my goal is to use that rocket that spellbooks has
06:59:01 <Steven> what up brun
07:10:56 <Avatar> that's not the same
07:21:47 <Avatar> just found a chronicle sheet that I never applied credit for
07:23:14 <Avatar> and I've miscounted how many scenarios I've played
07:23:21 <Avatar> so Buck is actually on 11.2 exp
07:39:14 <Avatar> hmmmm maybe I should ranger (wild stalker) instead of fighter (lore warden)
07:39:27 <Avatar> low light vision and ranger spell wand use
07:39:38 <Avatar> seems a hell of a lot better than a bonus feat
07:40:46 <Avatar> scratch that, 11.1
07:41:01 <Avatar> there was a mixup with tide of twilight a couple of years ago
07:41:17 <Avatar> Mekkis: which you didn't fix on paizo.com properly
07:41:38 <Mekkis> yeah. 1:30
07:41:57 <Mekkis> I ran it
07:42:20 <Avatar> shit aye
07:43:08 <Avatar> woops how did that happen
07:43:55 <Avatar> DONE !
07:58:27 <Mort-> Yes a wild mort appeared
08:02:13 <Avatar> speaking of wild, mort
08:02:26 <Mort-> Yes?
08:02:29 <Avatar> do you reckon instead of 11th level gunslinger, I should go 10 gunslinger 1 / ranger (wild stalker)
08:02:38 <Avatar> or 10 gunslinger / 1 fighter (lore warden)
08:02:47 <Mort-> Ranger
08:02:51 <Mort-> Cooler
08:03:13 <Avatar> ranger gives low light vision, +1 perception, ranger spell wand use
08:03:21 <Avatar> fighter gives extra bonus feats
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08:27:18 <Mekkis> go Paladin 1!
08:28:47 <Mekkis> ohg
08:28:54 <Mekkis> SAMARAI!
08:31:08 <Avatar> buck is closer to an antipaladin
08:31:14 <Avatar> why samurai
08:33:46 <Mekkis> because it's the full-BAB class you haven't considered yet - and you don't seem to want cavalier
08:50:59 <Avatar> I don't need attack bonuses man
08:51:04 <Avatar> I hit everything all the time unless I misfire
08:51:29 <Avatar> is there any item that gives a constant protection from evil effect apart from a clear spindle
08:52:31 <Mekkis> 5 levels in maaganayan archanist
08:52:43 <Mekkis> clear spindle doesn't give you constant PFE
08:54:54 <Avatar> er
08:54:54 <Avatar> you sure
08:55:05 <Mekkis> yes
08:55:22 <Mort-> It just stops people from dominating you
08:55:28 <Mekkis> evil people
08:56:11 <Avatar> yeah that's what I meant sorry
08:56:24 <Avatar> I just don't want Buck to decide he wants to kill the party with his gun
08:56:47 <Mekkis> the party will just sunder it :)
08:58:40 <Avatar> can magic weapons be destroyed
08:58:52 <Avatar> the impression I got was that they can't
09:00:16 <Mekkis> of course
09:00:19 <Mekkis> don't know where you got that from
09:00:19 <Mekkis> they get extra HP and hardness from enhancement bonus
09:02:18 <Mekkis> oh wow
09:02:35 <Mekkis> Guess how many HP Buck's +1 Holy Gun has...
09:02:49 <Avatar> ?
09:03:16 <Mekkis> Hardness 7, 15 HP.
09:03:43 <Avatar> shit
09:03:51 <Avatar> I got my info from early firearms
09:03:56 <Avatar> but that's only if the firearm explodes
09:04:14 <Avatar> twice
09:05:49 <Mekkis> Avatar, when's the last time you've seen a counterspell used in D&D or Pathfinder?
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09:15:02 <Avatar> never, why
09:15:48 <Mort-> Oh
09:15:58 <Avatar> do those hp take into account that it's a +1 seeking holy gun
09:16:03 <Avatar> does that change anything
09:16:04 <Mekkis> what about dispelling a spell using a spell other than dispel magic or greater dispel magic
09:16:14 <Mekkis> still hardness 7, 15HP
09:16:30 <Avatar> how do you dispel something other than using dispel magic
09:16:44 <Mort-> Spell sunder
09:16:58 <Mekkis> using a diametrically opposed spell
09:17:04 <Mekkis> slow can be used to dispel haste
09:17:06 <Mekkis> for example
09:17:15 <Avatar> oh right
09:17:18 <Avatar> yeah, still never
09:17:25 <Mort-> Generally it doesn't happen.
09:17:33 <Avatar> maybe daylight/darkness
09:17:47 <Mekkis> oh
09:18:14 <Mekkis> IF you've seen daylight dispel darkness, you or your GM has done it wrong. I can guarantee it.
09:18:27 <Avatar> really
09:18:32 <Avatar> !spell daylight
09:18:34 <diebot> Avatar, DAYLIGHT evocation ([light]) bard 3, cleric 3, druid 3, paladin 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, inquisitor 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: touch object touched Comp: V, S Duration: 10 min./level Save: none SR:no
09:18:34 <diebot> You touch an object when you cast this spell, causing the object to shed bright light in a 60-foot radius. This illumination increases the light level for an additional 60 feet by one step (darkness becomes dim light, dim light becomes normal light, and normal light becomes bright light). Creatures that take penalties in bright light take them
09:18:34 <diebot> while within the 60-foot radius of this magical light. Despite its name, this spell is not the equivalent of daylight for the purposes of creatures that are damaged or destroyed by such light. If daylight is cast on a small object that is then placed inside or under a light-proof covering, the spell's effects are blocked until the covering is
09:18:34 <diebot> removed. Daylight brought into an area of magical darkness (or vice versa) is temporarily negated, so that the otherwise prevailing light conditions exist in the overlapping areas of effect. Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
09:18:58 <Avatar> what does that last line say
09:19:20 <Mekkis> Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
09:19:20 <Mekkis> I know
09:19:20 <Mekkis> BUT
09:19:24 <Mekkis> to dispel a spell, you need to target the same target.
09:19:41 <Mekkis> Given that it will be Dark, and the range is touch, it's not going to happen.
09:21:23 <Avatar> I think you're reading too much into specifics there
09:21:58 <Avatar> if you cast daylight on something within darkness, daylight overrides the darkness in that area
09:22:01 <Mekkis> sure
09:22:07 <Avatar> it doesn't have to be cast on exactly the same thing darkness was cast on
09:22:11 <Mekkis> that's the Daylight Negation Clause
09:22:15 <Mekkis> it's not DISPELLING
09:23:03 <Avatar> does it turn the spell off
09:23:10 <Mekkis> no.
09:23:19 <Mekkis> It just does weird things in the overlap
09:23:19 <Avatar> but really it pretty much does
09:23:28 <Avatar> yeah pretty much
09:23:59 <Mekkis> the reason I'm asking is because I'm pretty sure I've seen counterspelling occur Once, and dispelling without dispel magic / greater dispel magic occur never.
09:24:28 <Mekkis> I'm explaining this to my VC while getting a document on exactly how light and darkness interact in Pathfinder.
09:24:53 <Mekkis> I'm getting it proofread at the moment. Currently it's making two assumptions that are being FAQed
09:25:26 <Mort-> I have a headache.
09:31:57 <Avatar> hmm still have a lot more money than I thought I did, a little under 47K
09:32:05 <Avatar> after purchasing the 15K bracelet
09:43:23 <Avatar> !item headband of aerial agility
09:43:24 <diebot> Avatar, HEADBAND OF AERIAL AGILITY +2 [moderate transmutation] CL:8 headband 4500gp, 0lb
09:43:24 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/headband_of_aerial_agility_+2.html
09:43:31 <Avatar> !item headband of aerial agility +4
09:43:32 <diebot> Avatar, HEADBAND OF AERIAL AGILITY +4 [moderate transmutation] CL:8 headband 42000gp, 0lb
09:43:32 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/headband_of_aerial_agility_+4.html
09:47:18 <Avatar> crap, my fame doesn't go that high
09:47:25 <Avatar> I almost forgot that was there
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12:00:07 <Mekkis> !item talons of Leng
12:00:10 <diebot> Mekkis, TALONS OF LENG [strong transmutation] CL:15 hands 67000gp, 1lb
12:00:11 <diebot> Finely laid gold filigree lines these ornately worked talons. Once donned, the talons of Leng grant the wearer a natural claw attack with each hand that deal 1d4 points of damage for a Medium wearer, or 1d3 points of damage for a Small wearer. These claw attacks have a +3 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls. On a critical hit, the target
12:00:11 <diebot> must succeed at a DC 20 Will save or become permanently confused as per the insanity spell. This is a mind-affecting effect. The wearer of the talons of Leng is immune to effects that grant the confused condition. For as long as she wears the talons, however, her Wisdom is reduced by 2, as alien voices constantly whisper through her head. The
12:00:11 <diebot> talons of Leng do not interfere with spellcasting, the use of handheld items, or wielding weapons. Source: Ultimate Equipment
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13:15:35 <Mekkis> !item ghost mirror armor
13:15:49 <Mekkis> !item ghost mirror armor
13:15:50 <diebot> Mekkis, GHOST MIRROR ARMOR [strong abjuration and transmutation] CL:15 armor 22675gp, 45lb
13:15:51 <diebot> Crafted by Uqtaal spirit-shamans, this ancient +1 ghost touch four-mirror armor (Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat 128, or use breastplate) consists of four polished steel plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect the wearer's front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. The
13:15:51 <diebot> wearer of ghost mirror armor can cast deathwatch (caster level 1st) three times per day. In addition, when the wearer is attacked by an incorporeal undead creature, the armor automatically casts protection from evil on the wearer as an immediate action up to once per day. Source: AP 51
13:15:51 <diebot> Mekkis, GHOST MIRROR ARMOR [strong abjuration and transmutation] CL:15 armor 22675gp, 45lb
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15:27:56 <Steven> fellin mighty lazy right now.
15:31:37 <Mekkis> should I run something?
15:42:39 <Steven> feeling even
15:52:00 <Steven> do ya want to?
15:53:42 <Mekkis> somewhat. I think I'd rather play though...
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15:58:53 <Steven> maybe when i get home here in a few
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16:59:50 <Steven> what up brun
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17:15:23 <Avatar> Mekkis: got a plan for next saturday?
17:16:25 <Steven> im home
17:16:31 <Steven> chowing on some fries
17:16:35 <Steven> mmmmmmm fries
17:16:42 <Avatar> steven the fry chower
17:18:08 Steven is now known as Steven_Devourer_of_Fries
17:18:28 <Avatar> I believe the word you used was chower
17:19:37 Steven_Devourer_of_Fries is now known as Steven_Chower_of_Fries
17:20:09 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> happy?
17:20:24 <Avatar> yes
17:22:26 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> kk
17:25:05 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> love them fries
17:25:36 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> wish they would release the two new scenarios already
17:25:44 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FUCKIN BOON IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:26:12 <Mekkis> sounds horribly metagamey
17:26:58 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> im a VL its allowed.
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17:27:32 <Mekkis> so you SHOULD be setting a good example for others!
17:27:50 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i m
17:28:00 <Mekkis> I'll remember that next time someone accuses me of metagaming
17:28:25 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i am, by knowing certain things i can correctly advise them on what to do without them metagaming.
17:28:27 <Avatar> you do mr i check the rafters
17:28:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, sure, but I didn't say 'But VLs do it' back then!
17:28:52 <Mekkis> but hey, VLs do it, so it's FINE!
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17:29:24 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> yup, VLs and VCs and GMs are all allowed to look at any scenario they can download
17:29:27 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> read said scenario
17:29:44 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> and decide to schedule it based on what they read
17:30:14 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> like, ive read Dalsine affair... since i've become VL its never been run.
17:30:37 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> same with ghenett manor gauntlet
17:31:59 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> but your right, its super metagamey... so this sunday... running both at the shop.
17:32:04 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> gonna get me a TPK
17:32:35 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> or a surprise round kill... mmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah
17:34:31 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww balls
17:34:42 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> release date pushed until later today.
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17:35:16 <Mekkis> but you're stating that you're not reading it so you can schedule it, you're reading it so you can see what the boon is!
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17:38:46 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> im reading it because i should read it incase i need to run it, im excited about reading it because of the boon.
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17:40:49 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> i should have bought a pie when i was at the store.
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18:20:14 <Steven_Chower_of_Fries> alright, goin to take me a nap.... keep it real
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18:28:51 <Avatar> mekkis
18:35:02 <Mekkis> Steven: are you free on the 8th?
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19:09:54 <YoshitheDreamEater> Hello?
19:10:11 <Avatar> hello
19:10:41 <YoshitheDreamEater> So, I am new at this...But I always wanted to try
19:10:53 <Avatar> played any pathfinder before?
19:11:10 <YoshitheDreamEater> I watched my friends one day
19:11:16 <Avatar> perfect
19:11:20 <Avatar> roll up a character
19:12:05 <YoshitheDreamEater> How do I use the die?
19:12:18 <Avatar> don't, for now
19:12:27 <Avatar> click getting started on the front page at www.pfrpg.com.au
19:12:36 <Avatar> all the links you need are there, get the PFS guide
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19:35:12 <Mekkis> Avatar, I will run WotW on the 8th.
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20:23:10 <Avatar> okay
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20:24:11 <Avatar> 1.30?
20:40:26 <Avatar> damn I missed wrothmonk
20:43:20 <Avatar> brunius are you about
20:43:24 <Brunius> sup
20:43:30 <Avatar> are you keen to play on friday
20:43:38 <Brunius> like tomorrow
20:43:43 <Avatar> next week
20:43:55 <Brunius> uh I dunno
20:44:15 <Avatar> just working out who to choose a scenario for
20:51:18 <Avatar> maybe infernal vault
20:51:54 <Avatar> looks like wrothmonk has played that one and the aussies haven't
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21:38:25 <Avatar> hmmmm maybe I should ranger (wild stalker) instead of fighter (lore warden)
21:38:38 <Avatar> low light vision and ranger spell wand use
21:38:49 <Avatar> seems a hell of a lot better than a bonus feat
21:40:48 <Mekkis> yeah. 1:30
21:41:07 <Mekkis> I ran it
21:41:31 <Avatar> shit aye
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21:42:19 <Avatar> woops how did that happen
21:43:05 <Avatar> DONE !
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21:57:38 <Mort-> Yes a wild mort appeared
22:00:57 <Mekkis> !item talons of Leng
22:01:00 <diebot> Mekkis, TALONS OF LENG [strong transmutation] CL:15 hands 67000gp, 1lb
22:01:00 <diebot> Finely laid gold filigree lines these ornately worked talons. Once donned, the talons of Leng grant the wearer a natural claw attack with each hand that deal 1d4 points of damage for a Medium wearer, or 1d3 points of damage for a Small wearer. These claw attacks have a +3 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls. On a critical hit, the target
22:01:00 <diebot> must succeed at a DC 20 Will save or become permanently confused as per the insanity spell. This is a mind-affecting effect. The wearer of the talons of Leng is immune to effects that grant the confused condition. For as long as she wears the talons, however, her Wisdom is reduced by 2, as alien voices constantly whisper through her head. The
22:01:01 <diebot> talons of Leng do not interfere with spellcasting, the use of handheld items, or wielding weapons. Source: Ultimate Equipment
22:01:24 <Avatar> speaking of wild, mort
22:01:36 <Mort-> Yes?
22:01:40 <Avatar> do you reckon instead of 11th level gunslinger, I should go 10 gunslinger 1 / ranger (wild stalker)
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22:01:49 <Avatar> or 10 gunslinger / 1 fighter (lore warden)
22:01:58 <Mort-> Ranger
22:02:01 <Mort-> Cooler
22:02:23 <Avatar> ranger gives low light vision, +1 perception, ranger spell wand use
22:02:33 <Avatar> fighter gives extra bonus feats
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22:26:27 <Mekkis> go Paladin 1!
22:27:57 <Mekkis> ohg
22:28:04 <Mekkis> SAMARAI!
22:30:19 <Avatar> buck is closer to an antipaladin
22:30:25 <Avatar> why samurai
22:32:53 <Mekkis> because it's the full-BAB class you haven't considered yet - and you don't seem to want cavalier
22:50:09 <Avatar> I don't need attack bonuses man
22:50:15 <Avatar> I hit everything all the time unless I misfire
22:50:40 <Avatar> is there any item that gives a constant protection from evil effect apart from a clear spindle
22:51:41 <Mekkis> 5 levels in maaganayan archanist
22:51:53 <Mekkis> clear spindle doesn't give you constant PFE
22:52:18 <Steven> last i heard
22:52:19 <Steven> yes
22:52:33 <Mekkis> So, if there are two people under the effects of a Slow spell, and I cast Haste on myself and those two people, it wouldn't dispel the slow
22:53:02 <Mekkis> unless I was saying "I'll dispel the slow with my Haste" and then the Haste wouldn't have any effect on me.
22:53:02 <Steven> you would become hasted, they would be a normal state
22:53:13 <Mekkis> Where is this in the rules?
22:53:20 <Steven> in the spell description.
22:53:39 <Mekkis> "Haste dispels and counters slow." doesn't say anything about how it dispels it
22:54:05 <Avatar> er
22:54:05 <Avatar> you sure
22:54:13 <Steven> which means it just does.
22:54:15 <Mekkis> yes
22:54:20 <Mekkis> more to the point, what you've said is contrary to the FAQ at http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qjy
22:54:33 <Mort-> It just stops people from dominating you
22:54:38 <Mekkis> evil people
22:54:39 <Mekkis> For example, if an enemy sorcerer's slow spell affects your fighter ally, and you cast haste as a dispel on slow, the slow ends and nobody gains haste. The same would be true regardless of how many of your allies were affected by that slow spell.
22:54:53 <Mekkis> (note how it says "you cast haste as a dispel on slow")
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22:55:14 <Steven> then there you go, use it that way.
22:55:21 <Steven> I've never had to deal with it at the shop.
22:55:21 <Avatar> yeah that's what I meant sorry
22:55:43 <Avatar> I just don't want Buck to decide he wants to kill the party with his gun
22:55:56 <Mekkis> I'm trying to find out HOW you would cast haste as a dispel
22:55:56 <Mekkis> the party will just sunder it :)
22:56:11 <Mekkis> do you need to make the same range as the slow?
22:56:13 <Mekkis> same targets?
22:57:16 <Steven> All regular conditions to cast the spell have to be met.
22:57:50 <Avatar> can magic weapons be destroyed
22:57:56 <Mekkis> of course
22:58:01 <Mekkis> What about dispelling Bless with Bane: Since bless is 50' around the caster, would you need to be where the caster was before you could dispel it?
22:58:03 <Avatar> the impression I got was that they can't
22:58:14 <Steven> no
22:58:17 <Mekkis> don't know where you got that from
22:58:30 <Steven> you just cast it any anyone in the area that is suffering from bane would likely no longer be baned.
22:58:32 <Mekkis> they get extra HP and hardness from enhancement bonus
22:59:07 <Mekkis> you cast it, electing to dispel?
22:59:21 <Steven> yes.
22:59:38 <Steven> brb, i need to get more Asprin
22:59:38 <Mekkis> and it dispels the effect for anyone within the area
22:59:39 <Mekkis> ok
23:01:26 <Mekkis> oh wow
23:01:28 <Steven> damn headache is makin my neck hurt
23:01:33 <Steven> so freakin tense
23:01:45 <Mekkis> Guess how many HP Buck's +1 Holy Gun has...
23:02:17 <Avatar> ?
23:02:25 <Mekkis> Hardness 7, 15 HP.
23:02:54 <Avatar> shit
23:03:02 <Avatar> I got my info from early firearms
23:03:07 <Avatar> but that's only if the firearm explodes
23:03:25 <Avatar> twice
23:04:57 <Mekkis> Avatar, when's the last time you've seen a counterspell used in D&D or Pathfinder?
23:07:41 <Steven> anything else or can i go back to being a vegitable
23:08:28 <Mekkis> I won't ask you to explain light and darkness, because noone knows the answer. Hopefully after two more FAQs, it will make sense
23:11:55 <Steven> makes sense to me.
23:12:03 <Steven> its not a hard concept.
23:12:14 <Mekkis> ok. Darkness + daylight.
23:12:25 <Steven> Its a spell combination
23:12:30 <Mekkis> Assuming a windowless room, what's the lighting level of the overlap?
23:12:57 <Steven> Prevailing.
23:13:04 <Steven> WOOT WOOT! see what i did there?
23:13:18 <Mekkis> so Darkness?
23:13:44 <Mekkis> (that's actually a point in contention, see http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pt0c?Daylights-Special-Negation-Clause )
23:13:50 <Steven> is a spell!
23:14:12 <Avatar> never, why
23:14:42 <Mekkis> Ok. Deeper Darkness + Heightened (4th level) Continual flame. Assuming a windowless room, what's the lighting level of the overlap
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23:14:59 <Mort-> Oh
23:15:09 <Avatar> do those hp take into account that it's a +1 seeking holy gun
23:15:13 <Avatar> does that change anything
23:15:14 <Mekkis> what about dispelling a spell using a spell other than dispel magic or greater dispel magic
23:15:24 <Mekkis> still hardness 7, 15HP
23:15:40 <Avatar> how do you dispel something other than using dispel magic
23:15:54 <Mort-> Spell sunder
23:16:00 <Steven> i'd have to go look at the spells to see the wording
23:16:07 <Mekkis> using a diametrically opposed spell
23:16:14 <Mekkis> slow can be used to dispel haste
23:16:16 <Mekkis> for example
23:16:25 <Avatar> oh right
23:16:25 <Mekkis> !item ghost mirror armor
23:16:39 <Mekkis> !item ghost mirror armor
23:16:39 <diebot> Mekkis, GHOST MIRROR ARMOR [strong abjuration and transmutation] CL:15 armor 22675gp, 45lb
23:16:40 <diebot> Crafted by Uqtaal spirit-shamans, this ancient +1 ghost touch four-mirror armor (Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat 128, or use breastplate) consists of four polished steel plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect the wearer's front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. The
23:16:40 <diebot> wearer of ghost mirror armor can cast deathwatch (caster level 1st) three times per day. In addition, when the wearer is attacked by an incorporeal undead creature, the armor automatically casts protection from evil on the wearer as an immediate action up to once per day. Source: AP 51
23:16:40 <diebot> Mekkis, GHOST MIRROR ARMOR [strong abjuration and transmutation] CL:15 armor 22675gp, 45lb
23:16:47 <Steven> also, i want pie
23:16:50 <Avatar> yeah, still never
23:16:50 <Mort-> Generally it doesn't happen.
23:16:50 <Avatar> maybe daylight/darkness
23:16:57 <Mekkis> oh
23:17:23 <Mekkis> IF you've seen daylight dispel darkness, you or your GM has done it wrong. I can guarantee it.
23:17:42 <Avatar> really
23:17:45 <Avatar> !spell daylight
23:17:45 <diebot> Avatar, DAYLIGHT evocation ([light]) bard 3, cleric 3, druid 3, paladin 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, inquisitor 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: touch object touched Comp: V, S Duration: 10 min./level Save: none SR:no
23:17:45 <diebot> You touch an object when you cast this spell, causing the object to shed bright light in a 60-foot radius. This illumination increases the light level for an additional 60 feet by one step (darkness becomes dim light, dim light becomes normal light, and normal light becomes bright light). Creatures that take penalties in bright light take them
23:17:45 <diebot> while within the 60-foot radius of this magical light. Despite its name, this spell is not the equivalent of daylight for the purposes of creatures that are damaged or destroyed by such light. If daylight is cast on a small object that is then placed inside or under a light-proof covering, the spell's effects are blocked until the covering is
23:17:47 <diebot> removed. Daylight brought into an area of magical darkness (or vice versa) is temporarily negated, so that the otherwise prevailing light conditions exist in the overlapping areas of effect. Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
23:17:57 <Steven> I like to imagine the light levels as numbers
23:18:09 <Avatar> what does that last line say
23:18:16 <Mekkis> Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
23:18:18 <Mekkis> I know
23:18:21 <Mekkis> BUT
23:18:34 <Mekkis> to dispel a spell, you need to target the same target.
23:18:51 <Mekkis> Given that it will be Dark, and the range is touch, it's not going to happen.
23:19:00 <Steven> and then a just slide the light level over by the correct number of slots required.
23:20:24 <Steven> like for dim light and deeper darkness, i start at 2 and subtract 2, netting me supernaturally dark
23:20:33 <Avatar> I think you're reading too much into specifics there
23:21:08 <Avatar> if you cast daylight on something within darkness, daylight overrides the darkness in that area
23:21:12 <Mekkis> sure
23:21:18 <Avatar> it doesn't have to be cast on exactly the same thing darkness was cast on
23:21:21 <Mekkis> that's the Daylight Negation Clause
23:21:26 <Mekkis> it's not DISPELLING
23:22:14 <Avatar> does it turn the spell off
23:22:20 <Mekkis> no.
23:22:29 <Mekkis> It just does weird things in the overlap
23:22:30 <Avatar> but really it pretty much does
23:22:39 <Avatar> yeah pretty much
23:23:09 <Mekkis> the reason I'm asking is because I'm pretty sure I've seen counterspelling occur Once, and dispelling without dispel magic / greater dispel magic occur never.
23:23:33 <Steven> then if someone were to bring in something shining with a Daylight, i adjust the light level where they overlap. Bringing it back to daylight
23:23:38 <Mekkis> I'm explaining this to my VC while getting a document on exactly how light and darkness interact in Pathfinder.
23:23:40 <Steven> sorry not daylight
23:23:41 <Steven> dim light
23:23:56 <Steven> i need more tea
23:24:04 <Mekkis> I'm getting it proofread at the moment. Currently it's making two assumptions that are being FAQed
23:24:10 <Mekkis> except Daylight has a negation clause
23:24:37 <Mort-> I have a headache.
23:24:46 <Steven> which only comes into effect when you are casting it in an area
23:24:58 <Mekkis> ?
23:25:04 <Mekkis> daylight is a touch spell
23:25:06 <Steven> daylight also has a clause for when you are bringing it INTO an area
23:25:22 <Steven> such as casting daylight on a shield
23:25:30 <Steven> and then walking into an area.
23:25:49 <Steven> where somebody has cast deeper dark
23:26:34 <Steven> in the example with the shield, the moment that shield leaves the overlap areas it reverts back to supernatural darkness.
23:26:38 <Mekkis> are you suggesting that there's a difference between being in the effect of a Darkness spell and casting Daylight and being outside the effect, casting Daylight, then moving into the effect?
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23:36:02 <Steven> yes
23:42:05 <Mekkis> that is an... interesting interpretation that raises more questions...
23:43:24 <Steven> its what it says in the spell man.
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