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09:53 <Steven> Withdrawing from melee combat is a full-round action.
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25:18 <Mekkis> oh. I knew it was a full-round. Did not think it required you to start in melee
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33:38 <Steven> yup, otherwise you just double move.  Withdrawing is an action available only while threatened.
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46:26 <Mekkis> do you know if you're threatened?
56:52 <Avatar> you can't be serious
20:45 <Avatar> I'm rapidly running out of scenarios I can play
57:28 <kapow> run more
57:46 <kapow> or find a normal pathfinder game to play outside wotw?
18:40 <Avatar> probably will run more
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07:53 <Hydrazine> Mekkis: You may not know if you're being threatened, in which case you can't really withdraw.
08:23 <Hydrazine> An invisible rogue, or a monk with good bluff for example. A cleric holding a touch spell.
14:12 <Hydrazine> Aha, it does specify in withdraw that it only protects you from AoOs by enemies you can see.
29:46 <Wrothmonk> ok then what about the monk? Would he just be considered not an enemy since you didnt know he was one?
44:21 <Hydrazine> That was an example of a case where you may not know someone is a threat. I'm still not sure what the official PFS answer is.
44:40 <Hydrazine> I'd rule that if someone managed to bluff you into thinking they were friendly, its just like being an unseen enemy.
48:12 <Hydrazine> I don't think it would come up much. Its a rather odd situation, but still.
58:44 <Wrothmonk> Roll call for true sorcery?
00:05 <Wrothmonk> oh great, half aren't even in the channel.. 
17:11 <Avatar> only falang accepted
31:18 <Falang> what, seriously?
32:39 <Avatar> side effect of only inviting 3 people
32:49 <Falang> what?!
33:43 <Falang> ugh. okay, so I'm not feeling too bad about waking up late
34:00 <Falang> if nobody even accepted
34:24 <Falang> and I'm... going back to bed
34:53 <Falang> was having a freaky ass dream about some kinda pervert amusement park..
59:18 <Wrothmonk> Wait, I invited more than 3 people! or at least told you to... goddamnit thats why.
02:33 <Avatar> 4 including me
03:30 <Avatar> you said stiletto, falang, mekkis, me
03:30 <Avatar> the best idea is to invite everyone and let them decide, unless you want to limit it to certain people
03:30 <Wrothmonk> still had more than four. I must have accidentally pmed you when you weren't logged on or something.
03:34 <Wrothmonk> I didnt think that was an option?
03:41 <Avatar> why wouldn't it be
07:57 <Wrothmonk> Would you mind... Rescheduling for the 2nd of june 12 am UTC, this time just inviting everyone.
10:58 <Avatar> what are the rules for creating a character again
11:47 <Wrothmonk> Normal PFS rules actually.
11:59 <Avatar> what level
12:38 <Wrothmonk> except no metamagic feats or magic traits
13:21 <Wrothmonk> starting or the scenario?
13:44 <Avatar> as in what level characters do they bring
14:10 <Wrothmonk> Characters will be provided for the first game.
14:47 <Wrothmonk> But if you have to set a level make it 1-5
18:15 <Avatar> don't have to set anything, but it's weird if people don't know the rules of the playtest
25:30 <Wrothmonk> well the problem is this playtest is how many of the rules are being determined.
28:12 <Avatar> what
29:35 <Wrothmonk> sorry, I worded that weird. well the problem is that the playtest is whats going to determine many of the rules.
30:54 <Wrothmonk> Creating a campaign is where those rules would go correct?
31:21 <Wrothmonk> I think there is some basic stuff that could be put up.
11:37 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=39
17:41 <Avatar> I might add a level of lore warden to the gunslinger
18:17 <Avatar> doesn't get medium/heavy/shield profiencies and bravery in favour of more skills and combat expertise
21:37 <Avatar> and a bunch of cool things that replace armor mastery if I ever get there
29:17 <Falang> *yawn*
31:10 <Avatar> sif yawn
31:57 <Falang> I'll write up some basic rules so people know what to expect, when are we doing it?
33:13 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Thurs 23rd 7:30pm (tier 1-5,Mekkis) / Fri 24th 6pm (tier 1-5,Avatar) | WotW: Sat 25th 1:30pm | TrS: Sun 2nd 10am || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
33:31 <Falang> 2nd of JUNE? Oh come on.
34:07 <Avatar> did you get the email
34:34 <Falang> havent' read it yet
34:41 <Falang> literally just sat down when I yawned
35:58 <Falang> uh huh. 
36:01 <Falang> why so far off?
36:26 <Wrothmonk> its 2 weeks
36:37 <Falang> I know, why so far off?
36:42 <Wrothmonk> I'm not available next weekend
37:00 <Falang> *groan*
39:42 <Falang> well at least it's not set for 5am
40:09 <Wrothmonk> what is it now for you?
40:58 <Falang> 940
42:32 <Falang> I slept horribly last night even before 5am, so I feel like microwave reheated shit
42:43 <Avatar> I slept great!
44:49 <Falang> FU
44:57 <Avatar> really great
45:14 <Avatar> what are some good gunslinger feats
45:17 <Falang> really FU
45:25 <Avatar> is shot on the run worth it
47:43 <Falang> probably not.
47:50 <Falang> hah, I see you off gaming!
48:21 <Avatar> it's not working
48:31 <Falang> Awwww
49:44 <kapow> avatar
49:49 <Avatar> yo
49:50 <kapow> do you have the snapshot tree?
50:06 <Avatar> no but I've been deliberately holding off on that
50:14 <Avatar> that would be the obvious choice
50:19 <kapow> threatening 15 ft with a gun is pretty boss
50:21 <Avatar> but I'd probably lean more towards the iron will tree
50:50 <kapow> are you taking all out gunslinger
50:54 <kapow> or multi'ing?
51:12 <Avatar> multi'ing
51:16 <Avatar> gunslinger 10/lore warden 1
51:44 <Falang> my question is why aren't crossbows also ranged touch attack
52:04 <Falang> they were designed to be low skill, anybody can use it, easy to hit the enemy, same as a gun.
52:11 <Avatar> because the velocity of crossbow bolts is a little different to bullets
52:50 <Falang> for all intents and purposes they do not, the velocity is pretty high in the ranges that it's used in game
53:19 <Falang> you can dodge a crossbow bolt just as easily as a longbow arrow or a bullet, not at all.
53:38 <Avatar> that would make gunslingers overpowered
53:41 <Mekkis> My question would be the converse. Why are bullets ranged touch.
53:53 <Avatar> I actually agree it should be flatfooted not touch
54:06 <Mekkis> I think it should be AC.
54:16 <Avatar> because you can dodge bullets 
54:19 <Falang> I wasn't even going to go that far with it
54:35 <Falang> No you can't, you can dodge where someone AIMs and when their reflexes on pulling the trigger
55:00 <Avatar> that's some pretty good line of sight you have
55:03 <Falang> I actually think guns are okay as RTA, but I think xbows should be as well
55:50 <kapow> you have to remember though that mechanically they are completely different
55:59 <kapow> a crossbow you can clout still and it be effective
56:08 <Falang> seems like they've forgotten why certain weapons were used. bows are faster but high skill, crossbows are slow but any jackass can do it, both are absolutely lethal, crossbows were actually banned by the pope at one point because they were so brutal.
56:13 <kapow> if you just shot a gun up in the air the bullet coming down won't be effective
56:27 <kapow> and firearms are only touch attacks within increment
56:52 <Mekkis> actually, guns were used because they were easier to use than crossbows
57:50 <Mekkis> but making guns target touch AC is effectively saying you're loading them with armour-piercing bullets.
58:37 <kapow> but thats it mekk
58:47 <Falang> longbow arrows and crossbow bolts are both easily capable of that, there are recorded instances of them going through a platemail armored leg, and through horse armor, and through the horse too.
58:50 <kapow> a bullet is going to put a bigger dent in armour
58:56 <kapow> even if it doesn't go through
59:07 <kapow> that if a crossbow bolt hit the armor and didn't penetrate
59:17 <Avatar> fun fact: apparently a lot of the high-powered classes and whatnot you see in the rulebooks were designed by the same guy at paizo
59:18 <Mekkis> sure, but I'd say that the armour would be effective. The AC abstraction is based on it.
59:24 <Mekkis> SKR?
59:32 <Avatar> not SKR
59:36 <Mekkis> oh?
59:38 <Mekkis> who?
59:43 <Avatar> not sure who it was
59:55 <kapow> you also need to account for the fact that bullets have a higher impact surface
00:03 <kapow> than an arrow or bolt does
00:08 <kapow> because arrows and bolts are pointed
00:33 <Mekkis> is the energy behind a bullet greater than the energy behind an arrow or bolt?
00:36 <Falang> Eh, I dunno about that, it wouldn't be much size difference.
00:36 <kapow> allowing it to transfer any kinetic energy at a faster rate
00:58 <Falang> though apparently arrows had a higher weight than bolts, that's a surprise to me.
01:04 <kapow> they could be the same energy behind them
01:14 <kapow> and the result for the bullet would still have more of an impact
01:30 <kapow> because a high rate of transfer
01:37 <kapow> it's like a flash in a pan
01:42 <Falang> I think the point is that any of those things could easily penetrate plate armor, in fact they were probably the reason plate armor existed
01:55 <kapow> rather than a torch that keeps burning
02:04 <Mekkis> I'd think that the point would make concentrate the energy more than a ball...
02:31 <kapow> it does
02:41 <kapow> which is why arrows and bolts are designed that way
02:45 <Falang> http://www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/cross_l_v_c.html
02:46 <kapow> to penetrate armor
02:55 <Mekkis> but without knowing how much energy is actually available, you can't make the comparison
03:19 <kapow> bullets atleast old ball bullets weren't designed for armour piercing
03:19 <Avatar> let's run a series of tests
03:26 <kapow> because there was that much force behind them
03:31 <kapow> that armour didn't matter
03:33 <Mekkis> sure, but there's penetrating armour (for example, with a good solid hit)
03:54 <Mekkis> and there's ignoring armour (for example with an alchemist's bomb, or a scorching ray)
03:58 <Falang> Avatar: I like that idea, you wear the armor!
04:04 <kapow> it's only since invention of things like kevlar not being the best reference
04:05 <Mekkis> and I'd argue that the bullet from the gun would be the former.
04:12 <Avatar> I think we can test it without a living body inside i
04:16 <kapow> that bullets have changed design
04:37 <Falang> we don't need to test it, history has already tested it, it's pretty well documented.
05:01 <Falang> I've read on the subject ages ago, longbows and xbows both easily penetrate ANY armor.
05:34 <Avatar> source?
06:02 <Falang> doubt I'll be able to find the same one I read it on originally years ago, but I'm going through some now..
06:16 <Falang> actually at the bottom of that link it does mention the armor
06:23 <kapow> All I'm saying is if plate and what not protected us against bullets why don't we still wear it?
06:40 <Avatar> kapow makes a good point
06:42 <kapow> why do we now have kevlar
06:47 <kapow> instead?
06:50 <Avatar> I might go buy some full plate on monday
07:02 <kapow> and go try rob a bank in it
07:07 <kapow> and we'll see how that goes
07:11 <Avatar> they will have to hit my AC of 25
07:48 <Avatar> if they have guns I will be safe because guns wouldn't penetrate it but hopefully they don't have crossbows because then I am screwed
08:44 <Avatar> snap shot actually requires weapon focus
08:50 <kapow> yup
09:00 <Avatar> I don't have weapon focus
09:05 <Avatar> that is a feat I don't need
09:21 <Avatar> I wish the feat tree was up to date
09:39 <kapow> 4 feats in total
11:46 <Falang> http://indie-rpgs.com/archive/index.php?topic=10676.0
11:56 <Falang> guy did his thesis on it
12:38 <Falang> and they've apparently done tests against ballistics gel and a crossbow hits about as hard as a 7.62mm NATO round
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13:10 <kapow> it's a forum
13:13 <kapow> where is the actual thesis?
13:44 <Falang> do you seriously want to read a thesis on that subject?  I suggest you google for it.
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14:55 <Falang> there's more too, these guys did real life tests against armor. stuff they built themselves etc.  these are serious fans.  http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=29220
15:27 <kapow> I am reading it
17:39 <Falang> of course that's new armor, probably more high quality steel and all that.
17:57 <Avatar> bullets would easily penetrate golarion mail
18:05 <kapow> no he says it's a copy of german period armour
20:25 <Avatar> kapow what's your highest level character
20:41 <kapow> 8
20:47 <Avatar> what the !
21:00 <kapow> Both were employed at point blank range and both failed to penetrate either piece of mail. The bolts had field point type heads. 
21:07 <kapow> Falang here is your answer from that post
21:10 <kapow> in 1 nut shell
21:34 <kapow> both the 150lb and 300 lb employed at point blankfailed to penetrade chain mail armour and padding
21:37 <kapow> not even full plate
21:45 <kapow> but chain mail it failed to penetrade
21:53 <Falang> I saw it, but there are disagreements all around. historical accounts say the opposite, and the thesis says it would easily go through. I'm guessing these guys that make their own armor did something different.
22:17 <kapow> while they do go on to say with armour piercing tips and a higher poundage
22:22 <kapow> it may have gotten through
23:00 <Falang> and the link from before that is all people saying the opposite, that they were utterly lethal regardless of armor
25:11 <kapow> yes but that link is the only one of posts that actually has any photos or anything of what they used
25:21 <kapow> and you can easily find material about macphersons work
25:25 <kapow> and the armour he makes
25:33 <kapow> because he is a well known armourer
25:49 <Falang> *shrug* Yet his results are inconsistent with historical data
25:57 <Falang> and apparently physics
25:58 <kapow> so it's an online post that is more likely to be credible
26:23 <Falang> I'm pretty sure the thesis guys would have ripped him a new hole if he'd be inaccurate
26:45 <kapow> you're pretty sure?
26:57 <kapow> thats your opinion then
27:23 <kapow> and opinions don't mean shit unless you can proove it with credible sources
27:35 <kapow> bring me something thats not forum based banter
27:46 <kapow> and cool i'll believe you
27:51 <kapow> until you can i don't care
27:59 <Falang> I don't much care what you believe or why
28:24 <Falang> opinions differ, but history says they were devastating on the battlefield and would go through armor.
28:32 <Falang> end of story
29:00 <Falang> otherwise they wouldn't have used them for hundreds and hundreds of years, when armor got heavier and heavier.
29:08 <kapow> well if you ever plan on any kind of higher studies your going to have to do what i just said or maybe you just want to be a dumb shit all your life
29:10 <Falang> until they stopped bothering making armor heavier
29:15 <kapow> and when armour got heavier and heavier and heavier
29:18 <kapow> then made guns
29:30 <kapow> derp
29:36 <kapow> peace out
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29:51 <Falang> they discussed that too.. guess you didn't read it as well as you thought
31:11 <Falang> jackass. I'm not your damn research assistant.
31:59 <Avatar> derp peace out
32:14 <Avatar> lore wardens get all intelligence based skills as class skills
32:18 <Avatar> that is pretty incredible
33:00 <Falang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xp56uVyxs
35:01 <Avatar> To be honest this isn't a very authentic test. The heads are of all different designs, they are not case hardened nor sharpened. Also, one of the archers was only short drawing his bow so a good third of the arrows bouncing off were his so should be ignored anyway. We were just having a bit of fun. Hopefully in﻿ the future we will produce a better video and explain in detail the properties of 
35:01 <Avatar> the heads, bows and plate to make it more relevant.
35:43 <Falang> yeah.
35:50 <Falang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gPgHyaG1Q&feature=endscreen&NR=1
37:11 <Avatar> ooer I can start taking critical focus feats
37:32 <Avatar> bleeding critical or sickening critical
37:59 <Avatar> both pretty shit
38:33 <Wrothmonk> are you guys attempting to form an argument about guns in pathfinder going against touch?
38:35 <Avatar> I'll take fleet twice
38:51 <Avatar> +10ft movement
38:52 <Wrothmonk> or are you just messing about.
39:03 <Avatar> then I'll move as fast as a horse can
39:19 <Falang> I'm arguing that xbows should be touch also
39:25 <Falang> it's only fair
40:30 <Falang> I think the whole RTA thing is due to ease of hitting, is it not?  it's easy to point at somebody and say a magic word and a beam shoots out, the same reason beam spells use it
45:25 <Brunius> I don't even know what I would do with a rebuild on Kaleb
46:11 <Avatar> a full rebuild lets you make anything you want
17:26 <Avatar> do any of you have a high level fighter
18:07 <Brunius> Bairaq is closest
18:25 <Brunius> Didn't that guy that came to conquest have one
18:35 <Brunius> tristen's friend
18:39 <Avatar> thelen
18:45 <Brunius> Yeah, Thelen
18:48 <Brunius> I tihnk he played one
18:54 <Avatar> he abandoned that fighter when his feat options ran out
18:57 <Avatar> and I am after feat options
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38:58 <Mekkis> Avatar, what sort of thing?
53:24 <Avatar> sorry?
53:32 <Mekkis> <Avatar> and I am after feat options
53:36 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
53:48 <Avatar> for a gunslinger
54:04 <Mekkis> for Buck?
54:09 <Mekkis> !find Buck
54:11 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308
54:12 <Avatar> yeah
54:23 <Avatar> I need two feats
54:41 <Mekkis> what's your 11th level?
54:48 <Avatar> lore warden
55:05 <Mekkis> does it give +1 BAB?
55:37 <Avatar> yeah, it's a fighter archetype
55:49 <Mekkis> Improved Precise Shot?
56:03 <Avatar> doesn't that just give you a bonus to attacks
56:09 <Mekkis> no
56:17 <Mekkis> !feat improved precise shot
56:18 <diebot> Mekkis, IMPROVED PRECISE SHOT [Combat]Prereq:  Dex 19, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, base attack bonus +11.  Your ranged attacks ignore anything but total concealment and cover.
56:19 <diebot> Benefit:  Your ranged attacks ignore the AC bonus granted to targets by anything less than total cover, and the miss chance granted to targets by anything less than total concealment. Total cover and total concealment provide their normal benefits against your ranged attacks.
56:19 <diebot> Normal:  See the normal rules on the effects of cover and concealment in Combat.  Source: Core
56:39 <Avatar> I ignore AC most of the time anyway
56:53 <Avatar> if they are behind cover, more power to them
57:01 <Mekkis> fair enough
57:14 <Mekkis> blind-fight?
57:32 <Mekkis> or do you ignore concealment anyway?
57:37 <Avatar> yeah I have a seekin gun
57:40 <Avatar> seeking
58:01 <Mekkis> iron will / improved iron will?
59:24 <Mekkis> Quick draw?
07:14 <Avatar> quick draw is retarded
07:25 <Avatar> iron will / improved is my most likely at the moment
20:04 <Mekkis> heh
20:17 <Mekkis> take 11th level as gunslinger, and take Signature Deed (Quick Clear)
20:18 <Mekkis> !
21:02 <Mekkis> Secret Stash Deed?
21:56 <Brunius> Banned
22:38 <Mekkis> Deft Shootist Deed?
23:03 <Steven> quick clear is actually pretty good on a gunslinger.
23:18 <Mekkis> Toughness?
23:40 <Steven> having to draw your weapon means you miss out on at least one full round attack.
24:02 <Mekkis> you mean quick draw?
24:08 <Brunius> do you mean quick draw
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24:43 <Mekkis> Additional Traits
24:58 <Steven> yeah quick draw
25:09 <Steven> im middle of migraine right now
40:40 <Mekkis> Steven, any tips for prepping Enemy's Enemy?
40:46 <Avatar> my wepaon's always out
41:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, have you played My Enemy's Enemy?
42:09 <Avatar> yeah
42:15 <Avatar> signature deed is pretty incredible
45:17 <Mekkis> Is there any map of Grandmaster Torch's place?
45:48 <Avatar> I think we had a map
45:56 <Avatar> might have been generic
46:00 <Avatar> simon ran it
46:07 <Mekkis> for what scenario?
46:40 <Mekkis> yast
52:30 <Mekkis> Hmm... this chronicle sheet is Wrong
56:36 <Avatar> for the scenario you're asking about
56:51 <Mekkis> Enemy's Enemy?
57:04 <Mekkis> or a different one that I'm not sure you've played
57:13 <Avatar> is that the one you're asking about
57:20 <Avatar> because maybe we are talking about two different things?
58:00 <Mekkis> We are. Last I checked, Enemy's Enemy doesn't have Grandmaster Torch in it
01:45 <Avatar> can't remember
01:49 <Avatar> it was some guy's house
04:30 <Steven> im back.
07:00 <Avatar> woohoo
09:14 <Mekkis> Why doe they make maps larger than A0?
10:01 <Avatar> they secretly want pathfinder played online instead of in person
16:40 <Mekkis> When I was in Canberra, I bought a map 8'x4'
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42:34 <Mekkis> Avatar, does Buck have a method of seeing invisible?
42:46 <Avatar> no
42:49 <Avatar> what's good for that
42:59 <Mekkis> !search see invisible
43:01 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
43:04 <Mekkis> !search see invisiblity
43:06 <diebot> Mekkis, No items found.
43:11 <Avatar> are you saying he's doomed
43:32 <Avatar> I like having Buck rely on the party a bit
43:49 <Steven> high perception bonus and seeking on your weapon
43:53 <Mekkis> !search see invisibili
43:54 <diebot> Mekkis, 20 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
45:02 <Avatar> I have both of those
45:54 <Mekkis> strange how Mask of the Mantis is the cheapest...
46:06 <Mekkis> Hand of Glory!
46:23 <Avatar> hand of glory is a shit item
46:40 <Mekkis> I'm going to disagree with you on that
46:51 <Avatar> potion of see invis will probably do the trick
47:00 <Mekkis> not sure if that's legal
47:06 <Avatar> why wouldn't it be
47:07 <Mekkis> !spell see invisibility
47:11 <diebot> Mekkis, SEE INVISIBILITY divination ([]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 2, alchemist 2, summoner 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (talc and powdered silver) Duration: 10 min./level Save:  SR:
47:12 <diebot> You can see any objects or beings that are invisible within your range of vision, as well as any that are ethereal, as if they were normally visible. Such creatures are visible to you as translucent shapes, allowing you easily to discern the difference between visible, invisible, and ethereal creatures. The spell does not reveal the method used to
47:12 <diebot> obtain invisibility. It does not reveal illusions or enable you to see through opaque objects. It does not reveal creatures who are simply hiding, concealed, or otherwise hard to see. See invisibility can be made permanent with a permanency spell.
47:14 <Mekkis> !feat brew potion
47:15 <diebot> Mekkis, BREW POTION [Item Creation]Prereq:  Caster level 3rd.  You can create magic potions.
47:15 <diebot> Benefit:  You can create a potion of any 3rd-level or lower spell that you know and that targets one or more creatures or objects. Brewing a potion takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise brewing a potion takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. When you create a potion, you set the caster level, which must be
47:15 <diebot> sufficient to cast the spell in question and no higher than your own level. To brew a potion, you must use up raw materials costing one half this base price. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information. When you create a potion, you make any choices that you would normally make when casting the spell. Whoever drinks the
47:15 <diebot> potion is the target of the spell. Source: Core
47:23 <Mekkis> and that targets one or more creatures or objects
47:33 <Mekkis> you can't use it on a spell with target of You
47:47 <Avatar> er?
47:52 <Avatar> !spell fly
47:53 <diebot> Avatar, FLY transmutation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 3, alchemist 3, summoner 3, witch 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, F (a wing feather) Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)
47:54 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/fly.html
47:57 <Falang> no reason you couldn't split the potion, I think there used to be rules for that.
48:07 <Avatar> shit
48:12 <Avatar> I thought personal was the okay one
48:29 <Avatar> that doesn't seem to make much sense
48:42 <Mekkis> agreed
48:44 <Avatar> I was reading somewhere about how you can't have a potion of shield, which makes sense
48:53 <Mekkis> or true strike, iirc
50:21 <ShiftKeyGirl> You can't have a potion produce a magical effect! That makes no sense, and has no basis in literature.
50:38 <ShiftKeyGirl> It also has no basis in any of other potion examples.
50:55 <ShiftKeyGirl> The Potion of Spider Climb allows you to climb walls.... naturally?
51:13 <ShiftKeyGirl> Logically?
51:29 <ShiftKeyGirl> Whatever.
51:46 <Avatar> are you okay
51:54 <Mekkis> Should my next character worship Zon-Kuthon or Akeakek?
52:03 <Avatar> zon-kuthon
52:21 <Brunius> Zon-Kuthon
52:41 <Mekkis> how do I play a non-evil sadistic torturer?
53:24 <Avatar> you're a sick man
55:04 <Mekkis> Maybe Achaekek is better. I can just rephrase all my pathfinder missions as "assassinate this guy"
55:19 <Mekkis> and preach to anyone who'll listen the virtues of killing people for money.
03:19 <ShiftKeyGirl> >	Mekkis	how do I play a non-evil sadistic torturer?
03:27 <ShiftKeyGirl> I'm trying to come up with a witty put down
03:30 <ShiftKeyGirl> But really
03:35 <ShiftKeyGirl> It's stupid enough as is
05:53 <ShiftKeyGirl> Unless of course you want to make a non-evil follower of Akeakek too
05:59 <ShiftKeyGirl> That's also really stupid
06:08 <ShiftKeyGirl> Considering that they're a god of assassinations
18:28 <Mekkis> I wonder if I can buy https://www.smartsupplies.com.au/index.cfm?&MenuID=1326
30:37 <Mekkis> Avatar, would you like to receive your chronicle sheets printed on canvas?
34:22 <Avatar> or would I like to have them in convenient electronic PDF format ?
34:27 <Avatar> that is a tough decision
56:03 <Mekkis> got a printer working yet?
56:39 <Avatar> me? no
56:47 <Avatar> royal pain in the ass
57:00 <Mekkis> printers?
57:05 <Avatar> yeah the printer, not you
57:38 <Mekkis> as long as you get a network laser printer, they're generally ok
58:15 <Avatar> it's not a laser
58:33 <Avatar> shit I don't think it is
58:35 <Avatar> I don't know
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01:36 <Mekkis> the cheap inkjets that are usb-only and cost less that their cartridges are worth about as much as you pay for them
06:15 <Avatar> mine's wireless
26:43 <Mekkis> after studying the stuff for 5 years, I'd recommend to stick with wires whenever possible
23:09 <Avatar> it's only been since I reinstalled windows
23:13 <Avatar> some driver issue
23:18 <Avatar> I think
31:33 <Mekkis> ah.
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47:40 <Mekkis> "Part of the player's concept is that your face would look better punched than unpunched. You should at least be willing to hear him out and not be so unflexible that you can't accommodate him. A good DM would understand this and take the punch."
09:35 <Mekkis> I love how inkscape can take your CPU and rape it
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