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32:07 <Avatar> trust snypt
35:55 <snypt> what>?
39:49 <Avatar> trust you
40:02 <Avatar> god
50:01 <snypt> pfft
12:26 <Avatar> did you say you were going to arcanacon
26:36 <snypt> yes im taking your sister
26:46 <snypt> =P
27:02 <snypt> yeah i dont know if ill go all days but at least a couple 
34:21 Nodwik_sleeps_then_work ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
36:30 Nodwik_sleeps_then_work is now known as Nodwik
36:50 <Nodwik> sup guys
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46:45 <canine> !throw 1d6d1d3
46:46 <diebot> canine, 1d6d1d3: [1d6=1; 1d3=1] 2
46:59 <canine> !throw 12d1
47:00 <diebot> canine, 12d1: [12d1=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1] 12
47:36 <canine> !throw 100000000000000000d1000000000000000000
47:52 <canine> !throw 100d100
47:56 <canine> !throw 10d100
48:05 <canine> !throw 1d20
48:25 <canine> I think I killed diebot
48:27 <canine> ...
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52:02 <Avatar> good one
52:12 <Avatar> nodwik
52:20 <Avatar> you should come in during daylight and play with us 
52:31 <Avatar> more than one game
57:45 <canine> I think I might roll up a bard
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34:01 * canine waves
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43:17 <Avatar> do it
43:29 <Avatar> I had one, but then mekkis ran the worst scenario in PFS
45:16 <canine> I just want to wheel around a pipe organ
54:52 <canine> Or maybe I'll just play a triangle.
59:38 <Avatar> my bard had perform (comedy)
00:49 <canine> Would perform (armpit noises) be PFS-legal, you think?
04:54 <Avatar> yeah I guess
05:28 <canine> Not my particular preference, but I'm sure its been done
05:34 <Avatar> roleplay is encouraged
08:37 <canine> I think I'll be a triangle-playing bard.
13:40 <Avatar> haha
54:53 <Ballig1> Avatar: yeah, I still can't believe I survived that scenario
56:58 Ballig1 is now known as Ballig
02:43 <Mekkis> you ran away
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55:51 <canine> ...
55:53 <canine> ..
55:54 <canine> .
55:55 <canine> ..
55:56 <canine> ...
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42:21 <Brunius> How informative
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46:04 <Brunius> http://downloadmoreram.com/
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46:56 <tristen> hey thawne sent me this:
47:02 <tristen> http://blog.todmeansfox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/09opartlarge.gif
48:24 <Brunius> ...
50:44 <tristen> no like-y?
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06:48 <Avatar> I think brunius doesn't like it because his part of the flowchart ends in the first step in the top-left
07:27 <Avatar> I reinstalled ddo
07:33 <Avatar> anyone who wants to play with should do the same!
09:29 <Avatar> somebody said they were keen and I don't remember who it was
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11:23 <NotMort> back
11:28 <NotMort> !topic
17:20 <Avatar> you should DM a game mort
18:05 <NotMort> I dunno how to
18:06 <NotMort> :D
18:09 <NotMort> I only played one
18:15 <NotMort> but anyone holding anything anytime soon? :P
18:21 <Avatar> yeah, when can you play
18:34 <NotMort> welllll
18:36 <NotMort> right now? :D
18:37 <NotMort> lols
18:41 <Avatar> not right now
18:45 <NotMort> hahaha
18:48 <Avatar> it's 11.18am here now on monday
18:50 <NotMort> maybe sat morning :D
18:51 <NotMort> lol
18:56 <NotMort> I wont do night still
19:01 <Avatar> our saturday morning?
19:07 <NotMort> my sat morning
19:09 <NotMort> which is your sat night
19:31 <Avatar> hmmmm
19:37 <Avatar> what time is it there now
20:47 <NotMort> 8.20 am
20:54 <NotMort> oh wait lol
20:57 <NotMort> I thought uwere american
20:58 <NotMort> damn
21:10 <Avatar> 8.20am sunday or monday?
21:37 <NotMort> monday
21:41 <NotMort> OI Think ur auzzie
22:08 <Avatar> yeah most of us are aussie
22:14 <Avatar> canine isn't, nowdik isn't
22:21 <Avatar> nodwik*
24:01 <Avatar> so you're 3 hours behind us
24:12 <Avatar> what's the earliest you can play
24:15 <Avatar> 7am?
24:19 <NotMort> urgm..
24:21 <NotMort> Im not working..
24:24 <NotMort> 7am is so.. :D
24:24 <NotMort> hahhaa
24:30 <NotMort> if I weer working id be up at 6 am
24:33 <NotMort> butanwyay I wouldnt be able to paly
24:34 <NotMort> lol
24:42 <Avatar> so when is the earliest for you
25:07 <Avatar> jaggedsoul is in the same timezone as you too
26:07 <NotMort> ah I see
26:08 <NotMort> can la
26:10 <NotMort> 7 am can push :D
26:14 <NotMort> but I need to eat breakfast..
26:16 <NotMort> in the midle
26:17 <NotMort> so need afk
27:15 <Avatar> that's ok
28:38 <Avatar> try and get here as close to 7am as you can
28:38 <Avatar> if you're a bit late you can probably jump in
28:38 <Avatar> we could start a bit late too, though we try to avoid that
28:38 <NotMort> tomroorw?
28:38 <NotMort> or what time
28:38 <Avatar> saturday
28:38 <NotMort> okay
28:38 <Avatar> we might be running a game on thursday as well this week
28:38 <NotMort> dont mind looking over my char sheet?
28:38 <NotMort> its abit rusty
28:38 <Avatar> okay, but I'm about to go out now
28:38 <Avatar> running late!
28:38 <Avatar> will look over it later today
28:43 <Avatar> remind me
28:53 <NotMort> ok np
28:54 <NotMort> have fun
28:55 <Avatar> or get someone else to
29:17 <Avatar> maybe thelen
29:36 <Avatar> he begged me the other day to please refer anyone to him if they want their char sheets checked
29:42 <Avatar> I said ok ok I will
29:44 <NotMort> np np :D
29:46 <NotMort> when he pops
29:49 <NotMort> down here or talks
29:53 <NotMort> now I need to get ot..hahaha
38:26 <Brunius> What do you mean re: flowchart, Avatar?
38:51 <Brunius> I'm updating DDO now :)
39:00 <NotMort> ddo?
39:01 <NotMort> lol
39:03 <NotMort> I used ot play
39:19 <Brunius> Looks like there's no topic for the channel, btw
40:55 <NotMort> there should be
40:57 <NotMort> uulally
40:58 <NotMort> usulaly
41:14 <Brunius> I can't see one though
41:17 <Brunius> Try /topic #d&D
42:15 <Brunius> Avatar: Sarlona, right?
44:08 <NotMort> nottthing
45:31 <Avatar> yeah sarlona
45:44 <Avatar> oh wait the topic isn't there
45:44 <Avatar> sec
45:53 <Avatar> `op
46:00 <Avatar> `op
46:00 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
46:41 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22860
46:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  40:Hall of Drunken Heroes |  50:Fortune’s Blight |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  2-03 :The Rebel's Ransom  |  2-08 :The Sarkorian Prophecy  |  2-20 :Wrath of the Accursed  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  51:City of Strangers-Pt1: The Shadow Gambit |  2-11 :The Penumbral Acco
46:45 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Thurs 11am (new game, Avatar) / Sat 10am (new game: Avatar, Mekkis or Ballig) | CoTE: Sun 10am || AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net/
46:51 <NotMort> wow coools
46:52 <Brunius> Nice
46:54 <NotMort> sounds like fun
46:59 <NotMort> kk thrusday 11 am so its my 7 am
46:59 <Brunius> Only works with one player so far?
47:22 <MekkisScreen> nope
47:37 <Avatar> did you see it wasn't working for us last night
47:43 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339
47:43 <diebot> Brunius, 
47:58 <MekkisScreen> that's because there isn't an ideal one
48:01 <Brunius> Ah
48:05 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876
48:05 <diebot> Brunius, 
48:10 <Brunius> :S
48:13 <MekkisScreen> ;5~!idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339 redm=1
48:18 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339 redm=1
48:19 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 
48:21 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871
48:22 <Avatar> !idealscenario gm=22871 player=22870,22876,10339
48:22 <diebot> Brunius, 
48:22 <diebot> Avatar, 
48:27 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339 redm=1 unplayed=1
48:27 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of
48:30 <Avatar> so basically it's ideal for us to never GM
48:36 <Brunius> Seems legit
48:37 <MekkisScreen> no
48:54 <MekkisScreen> it's ideal for you to DM unplayed stuff
48:55 <Brunius> That's just giving every scenario possible, right?
48:57 <Brunius> What's redm?
48:59 <MekkisScreen> assuming Brunius has actually told diebot what he's played....
49:04 <Brunius> I have
49:09 <Avatar> so just add unplayed
49:10 <MekkisScreen> to DM something you've already played
49:13 <MekkisScreen> sorry
49:14 <Brunius> Ah
49:18 <Avatar> !idealscenario gm=22871 player=22870,22876,10339 unplayed=1
49:18 <MekkisScreen> to DM somethign you've already DMed
49:19 <diebot> Avatar, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull
49:29 <Brunius> Avatar and I have played Silent Tide
49:30 <Avatar> wow that looks better
49:44 <Avatar> yeah it was silent tide! with The Kids
49:46 <Brunius> Yet it's putting that in the list?
49:50 <Brunius> Yeah :S
49:55 <MekkisScreen> there was some issue with parsing single digit scenarios
49:59 <Brunius> Mainstreamers
50:12 <MekkisScreen> I've fixed it, but need to reparse the stuff
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50:34 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=22871 player=22870,22876,10339 unplayed=1 minlevel=3 maxlevel=3
50:34 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  41:The Devil We Know-Pt3: Crypt of Fools |  48:The Devil We Know-Pt4: Rules of the swift |  49:Among the Dead |  2-Special:Pathfinder Society Special: Year of the Shadow Lodge |  2-19 :Shades of Ice -- Part III: Keep of the Huskarl King  |  2-21 :The Dalsine Affair  |  2-24 :Shadow's
51:12 <MekkisScreen> so Brunius, you available Thursday morning?
51:18 <Brunius> Should be
51:22 <Brunius> Doesn't work in PM?
51:54 <MekkisScreen> it should
51:56 <MekkisScreen> IDENTIFY
51:58 <MekkisScreen> try now
52:14 <Brunius> Nope
52:15 <Brunius> No response
52:32 <Brunius> I'm registered and have mode -R, so it's not that
55:43 <Brunius> You in game Avatar?
55:47 <Brunius> Old character?
02:44 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22870,22871 redm=1 minlevel=3 maxlevel=3
02:44 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords  |  2-13 :Murder on the Throaty Mermaid  |  2-23 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part I: At Shadow's Door  |  3-02:Sewer Dragons of Absalom |  3-01:The Frostfur Captives |  
03:15 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
03:20 <MekkisScreen> Before The Dawn 2!
03:31 <MekkisScreen> Tristan said he can play
03:50 <MekkisScreen> if he's playing, and noone else is, I'll run sewer dragons at 3-4
04:08 <MekkisScreen> otherwise I'll run something else
04:12 <MekkisScreen> maybe First Steps 2
19:24 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22870,22871  minlevel=3 maxlevel=3
19:24 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords  |  2-13 :Murder on the Throaty Mermaid  |  2-23 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part I: At Shadow's Door  |  3-02:Sewer Dragons of Absalom |  3-01:The Frostfur Captives |  
21:57 <Brunius> How does diebot get our PFS numbers?
23:21 <Brunius> Wait, they're in the stuff we pasted, aren't they?
30:25 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339 redm=1 minlevel=3 maxlevel=5
30:25 <diebot> Brunius, 
30:35 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876,10339 redm=1 unplayed=1 minlevel=3 maxlevel=5
30:36 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  41:The Devil We Know-Pt3: Crypt of Fools |  48:The Devil We Know-Pt4: Rules of the swift |  49:Among the Dead |  2-Special:Pathfinder Society Special: Year of the Shadow Lodge |  2-19 :Shades of Ice -- Part III: Keep of the Huskarl King  |  2-21 :The Dalsine Affair  |  2-24 :Shadow's Last
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49:22 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: If I was to request something, it would be #14
49:31 <MekkisScreen> or Shades of Ice III
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07:29 <MekkisScreen> it's easy when I report it, because it's all there
07:32 <Spaceshot> brunius: http://www.3plusplus.net/2012/01/mbgs-best-of-2011-mechanized-guard-army.html
07:35 <Spaceshot> that's a few guard
07:37 <MekkisScreen> and diebot can extract it directly from my account
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21:35 <Mekkis_i7> moin
22:30 <NotMort> woh
24:57 <Mekkis_i7> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22681
24:58 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  40:Hall of Drunken Heroes |  50:Fortune’s Blight |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  2-03 :The Rebel's Ransom  |  2-08 :The Sarkorian Prophecy  |  2-20 :Wrath of the Accursed  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  51:City of Strangers-Pt1: The Shadow Gambit |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords
25:06 <Mekkis_i7> good
25:20 <Mekkis_i7> it's removed the ones regarding Frostfur now
28:58 Avatar- has quit (Quit: go get analysed)
29:43 <Avatar> who's 22681
30:03 <Avatar> Spaceshot: was it you who said you were keen on ddo
30:33 <Brunius> I'm keen on DDO
30:49 <Spaceshot> I did say I was
31:07 <Spaceshot> but I don't want to have to buy dungeon packs to do more than 1 dungeon at level 4 onwards
31:46 <Spaceshot> brunius: http://www.3plusplus.net/2012/01/mbgs-best-of-2011-mechanized-guard-army.html
31:54 <Spaceshot> check that out, it's only a few guard
32:05 <Brunius> I saw before man
32:12 <NotMort> I have a level 14 cleric in ddo
32:17 <NotMort> but I cant remember my username and pass haha
32:22 <Brunius> 4 Cleric/2 Rogue
32:26 <Brunius> Man I screwed that guy up
32:40 <Avatar> yeah I reinstalled ddo last night
32:53 <NotMort> urm cleric and rogue dont mix
32:54 <Spaceshot> they went past level 10?
32:55 <NotMort> imo
32:58 <NotMort> Id go 20 cleric
33:01 <Brunius> Yeah, they don't
33:03 <NotMort> but I dont carefor the DDO community
33:03 <NotMort> :P
33:04 <Avatar> I started rolling up a bard, but ranged attacks are a bit garbage imho, and I gave him 10 str and 16 dex
33:15 <NotMort> as in mostly NOOOOBS
33:20 <Avatar> what are you trying to say mort
33:20 <NotMort> that dont have an ounce of brains on them :P
33:21 <Avatar> spit it out
33:23 <NotMort> ehhh..
33:28 <NotMort> I keep getting PUGs that suck:P
33:29 <NotMort> pick up groups
33:34 <NotMort> and at higher levels, since I dont pay to play
33:34 <Avatar> we don't suck
33:37 <Avatar> we rock in fact
33:37 <NotMort> alot of dungeons are stuck
33:40 <Avatar> none of us pay to play
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33:44 <Avatar> as far as I'm aware
33:44 <NotMort> ohs
33:45 <Spaceshot> when did DDO go past level 10?
33:46 <NotMort> thelanis?
33:49 <NotMort> maybe I sohuld pop back in
33:52 <NotMort> my gear kinda sux though
33:53 <Avatar> ddo goes to 20
33:56 <NotMort> yeah
33:57 <Brunius> I don't pay to play, I was considering it
33:58 <Avatar> we were on sarlona
34:01 <NotMort> I keep getitng crappy gorups
34:01 <Spaceshot> when it came out it only went to 10
34:02 <Brunius> Which was a bit silly of me
34:05 <Avatar> yeah I did have a look at the prices last night
34:06 <NotMort> ah Im not creating a new character
34:09 <Avatar> it is pretty damn expensive
34:12 <NotMort> too much trouble to level up
34:16 <NotMort> besides my current lappie is laggy as hell
34:17 <Avatar> I want some higher levels to play The Pit with me
34:21 <NotMort> oh THE PIT
34:22 <Brunius> Level?
34:25 <NotMort> DONT TELL ME AOBUT THAT BLOODY PLACE
34:25 <Avatar> yeah THE PIT
34:26 <NotMort> :D
34:28 <Avatar> I know!
34:30 <NotMort> I am bad at jumping
34:31 <Avatar> it's level 10 I think
34:36 <Spaceshot> I'd like it if we all rerolled
34:38 <Avatar> I did it once and absolutely hated it
34:39 <Spaceshot> and started fresh
34:39 <NotMort> I spent like 3 hrs trying to figure that place out
34:42 <NotMort> I never managed
34:45 <Avatar> but I've since wanted to do it again
34:45 <Brunius> Yeah we shud all reroll
34:48 <NotMort> I tried jumping, I have quite alot of lag with me
34:52 <NotMort> so I cant really...jump too well
35:00 <NotMort> and beisdes you dont want to see me playing ninja gaiden or something
35:02 <NotMort> Im fking clumsy :(
35:10 <Avatar> clumsy mort
35:14 <NotMort> I am acutally quite laggy u know :(
35:18 <Brunius> clumsy clumsy mort
35:19 <NotMort> so if you want instant reflexes..
35:24 <NotMort> and delicate control
35:26 <NotMort> Im epic fail
35:31 <NotMort> I mean I will do whatever I can yes
35:37 <Avatar> I'm sure your controls are plenty delicate
35:43 <NotMort> btw/
35:48 <NotMort> I LOVE RADIANT SERVANT
35:49 <NotMort> yes
35:50 <NotMort> "{
35:51 <NotMort> :P
35:58 <NotMort> nah I am clumsy
36:04 <Brunius> clumsy clumsy mort
36:04 <NotMort> if u wnat me scampering on rooftops Ill poitn middle finger at you
36:06 <NotMort> yeah
36:09 <NotMort> low dex :D
36:17 <NotMort> I think I have decent int, but low wis score :P
36:21 <NotMort> I mean as a person :P
36:26 <NotMort> charisma..some :P
36:32 <NotMort> str a litlte higher then normal
36:34 <Spaceshot> but yea, once I redownload this shit (in 2 and a half hrs says the downloader)
36:37 <Spaceshot> we should all reroll
36:40 <NotMort> lol
36:42 <NotMort> but the noobie quests
36:43 <Avatar> yeah I'll be playing a lower level char unless you guys want to player higher level
36:45 <NotMort> I dont want ot run it all over again
36:51 <Brunius> What level Avatar?
36:55 <Spaceshot> you either play with us or not
36:57 <Avatar> new
37:05 <Brunius> Sweet I'm rolling one now
37:05 <NotMort> hrm
37:07 <NotMort> should I? :P
37:08 <NotMort> damn..
37:09 <Avatar> no idea what class, not wizard
37:15 <NotMort> I like cleric but I am laggy
37:20 <Avatar> and not cleric either
37:22 <NotMort> rogues dps isnt that good I think
37:23 <Spaceshot> Brunius: don't start playing yet though
37:28 <Brunius> I'm playing a fighter
37:29 <Spaceshot> you'll out xp me and it'll make a difference XD
37:29 <NotMort> damn tempted to reroll
37:34 <Avatar> Spaceshot: just hurry up !
37:40 <NotMort> I need to re download
37:50 <Avatar> make sure you find a proper 4 gig download
37:53 <Spaceshot> I can't increase my download speed
37:55 <Avatar> avoid downloading the 1 meg installer
38:01 <Spaceshot> I'm using the installer
38:07 <Brunius> Get it off games.on.net Spaceshot
38:09 <NotMort> should I?
38:10 <NotMort> :P
38:11 <Spaceshot> cause I cbf finding the 4gig download
38:11 <NotMort> tempted
38:12 <Brunius> It's unmetered and much faster
38:14 <Avatar> the installer is a bit shit because somewhere along the line you will inevitably reinstall and do it again
38:15 <Spaceshot> it's not on games.on.net
38:20 <Brunius> It should be
38:21 <NotMort> so who is playign on sarlona
38:23 <NotMort> and what classes
38:27 <Brunius> Fighter bru
38:28 <NotMort> Ill be whatever teh group wants me to be I suppose
38:35 <Avatar> I was rolling up a bard but I feel a bit silly doing that if all of you are in
38:43 <Avatar> ballig has a bard 
38:45 <NotMort> I take clr?
38:46 <NotMort> we have a chnace to do party properly
38:49 <NotMort> we need low level ones
38:49 <Avatar> I got a bit jealous of his loot skillz
38:52 <NotMort> then we run through
38:53 <NotMort> the quests
38:56 <NotMort> at hardest difficulty
39:03 <NotMort> btw my mana is limited, Im going radiant servant route
39:05 <Avatar> I foresee much death
39:12 <Spaceshot> found it
39:20 <NotMort> if you guys odnt pay to play
39:24 <NotMort> how do you unlock all the uber dungeons
39:26 <NotMort> btw use ingame chat?
39:33 <NotMort> once I use my toher comp I cant ddo and irc at same time
39:37 <NotMort> oh dear, got distracted :D
39:38 <Brunius> We should get a teamspeak server going
39:39 <Spaceshot> here hopes I have a stable connection
39:42 <NotMort> I have..
39:48 <NotMort> I may lag out connection abit funky :D
39:52 <NotMort> so Ill start Dling it again
40:11 <Spaceshot> Brunius: TS is crap, go vent
40:18 <Brunius> TS is great man
40:27 <Brunius> We moved from Vent to TS and it was a great
40:28 <NotMort> as usual
40:30 <NotMort> I cant talk
40:32 <NotMort> I can only listen passive
40:37 <Spaceshot> TS is average
40:41 <Brunius> I don't have a mic atm either
40:49 <Avatar> we don't unlock anything
40:49 <Spaceshot> TS is good if you have over 20 people
40:55 <Avatar> mumble is the way to go if you want to talk
40:56 <Spaceshot> but lower than that vent is better
41:17 <Spaceshot> also, we can use the ingame voice system (which was pretty good back in the day)
41:22 * canine waves
41:32 <Brunius> Sup canine
41:33 <NotMort> so now what?
41:34 <Avatar> I don't remember what the ingame one was like, I don't think I ever used it properly
41:38 <NotMort> one cleric rerolling?
41:52 <Spaceshot> I have no idea what I'm gonna roll as yet
41:56 <Avatar> cleric/rogue is an excellent multiclass combo in ddo
42:05 <Avatar> clerics get a stun spell which forces sneak attacks
42:15 <canine> not much
42:16 <NotMort> need one rogue
42:17 <Brunius> Sound Burst?
42:17 <Avatar> I think you need 3 levels of cleric though
42:21 <Avatar> yeah
42:21 <NotMort> else we have trap problems
42:23 <Avatar> it's a 2nd level spell
42:27 <NotMort> cleric/rogue doesnt mix
42:31 <NotMort> your stats are all wrong
42:32 <Brunius> Yeah, that's why I went multiclass, because Avatar told me to
42:34 <NotMort> rogues need dex,int
42:35 <Avatar> cleric rogues mix
42:38 <Spaceshot> sweet
42:38 <NotMort> clerics need tons of wis
42:42 <NotMort> if you want I can run cleric rogue
42:46 <Spaceshot> favoured soul and artificer are in
42:46 <Brunius> Then I realised it was crap
42:47 <Avatar> rogues don't need int, they get mad skill points already
42:50 <NotMort> but honestly I may not be that free to play all the time
42:53 <NotMort> so poitn is
42:55 <NotMort> I play cleric? :P
42:58 * NotMort wuffles tail
43:01 <NotMort> I can start creating now
43:04 <NotMort> and sarlona?
43:08 <NotMort> name will be xyniel probalby
43:09 <Avatar> if you're not free to play all the time, maybe cleric isn't a good fit
43:11 <NotMort> Im running between 2 comps
43:13 <NotMort> I wont be free
43:15 <NotMort> so what class
43:17 <NotMort> hrm
43:19 <NotMort> I LIKE clerics :P
43:20 <NotMort> lol
43:21 <Spaceshot> you have to buy favoured soul? what a rip
43:29 <Avatar> I do have an already-levelled cleric
43:29 <NotMort> what class....
43:32 <Avatar> and I might be playing more than you lot
43:37 <NotMort> yeah u probably will
43:38 <Avatar> so maybe you can go cleric
43:39 <NotMort> so cleric covered
43:42 <NotMort>  usure?
43:45 <NotMort> I like beign a cleric
43:49 <NotMort> but I wont solo play Iguess
43:50 <Avatar> yeah well go cleric then
43:51 <NotMort> k
43:54 <NotMort> human then
43:57 <NotMort> urm what stats damnit
44:03 <Avatar> you're so indecisive!
44:04 <NotMort> I built a tank cleric
44:04 <NotMort> but maybe
44:08 <NotMort> I should go and do a evoker
44:15 <NotMort> that time I was buidling a war cleric
44:16 <Avatar> are you serious
44:20 <NotMort> but maybe I should go evoker?
44:25 <Avatar> evoker wizard?
44:26 <NotMort> well my prevoius chraacter in thelanis was a war cleric
44:28 <NotMort> evoker clerics
44:31 <NotMort> and war clerics are diff
44:33 <Brunius> Hey hang on
44:36 <NotMort> I had 16 str on a my war cleric
44:40 <NotMort> someone get me a cleric build? :D
44:45 <Brunius> Why doesn't my Human get a +2 bonus to something?
44:49 <Brunius> A stat?
44:50 <NotMort> do you want me to go evoker or tanking clerics
44:52 <Avatar> because it's not pathfinder
44:58 <NotMort> I thin evoker.
44:59 <NotMort> think
44:59 <NotMort> less mana issues
45:00 <NotMort> but the problem is
45:02 <NotMort> I dont really use mana to fight
45:04 <NotMort> not used ot it
45:05 <NotMort> hehee
45:07 <Avatar> I noticed after about an hour of play last night just how much worse 3.5 is compared to pathfinder
45:11 <NotMort> no exp with playing an evoker cleric
45:16 <NotMort> only did a tanking cleric :P
45:30 <Brunius> Huh
45:32 <Spaceshot> Avatar: you don't notice it much playing a hard caster
45:43 <Spaceshot> playing say a rogue, or fighter, you notice heaps
45:46 <Avatar> what?
45:50 <NotMort> heeeeelllllpppp
45:53 <Avatar> that was with bard
45:58 <Avatar> mort just play a cleric
45:59 <NotMort> I neeed a cleric build..for evoker :P
46:01 <Spaceshot> yea you'll notice it
46:01 <NotMort> lol
46:16 <NotMort> I forogt how to..
46:17 <NotMort> okay
46:17 <NotMort> whos the rogue
46:17 <NotMort> Im not fking runnign into dugneons to get trapped
46:19 <NotMort> RS doenst come in till level 6
46:20 <NotMort> OH YES
46:23 <NotMort> I REMMEBER CHARISMA
46:24 <NotMort> I NEED IT!
46:29 <NotMort> and the medusa item sets..
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46:36 <NotMort> my memories are coming back now..
47:10 <Spaceshot> don't need a rogue, just get a bard or ranger
47:15 <Avatar> mort what is your PFS char that you wanted me to check
47:19 <NotMort> str 10, dex 10, wis and cha max?
47:21 <NotMort> tell me the upload
47:23 <NotMort> I have the file wit me
47:35 <Avatar> http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=289
47:36 <NotMort> tell me where to otss it Ill send to ye
47:37 <Avatar> is it this one
47:53 <Brunius> Wow that was a quick char gen
47:56 <Avatar> click upload sheet if you have a new one
47:56 <NotMort> yup
47:57 <Brunius> Avatar you got a name yet?
48:01 <NotMort> I need o create
48:03 <NotMort> my comp crashed
48:06 <NotMort> I need to relog and dl patch
48:07 <Avatar> I did but I'm recreating my char
48:14 <Brunius> Ah k
48:19 <Avatar> what class did you take?
48:23 <Brunius> Fighter
48:24 <Brunius> Bitchiz
48:33 <Avatar> what if I wanted fighter
48:38 <Brunius> Bad luck.
48:41 <Avatar> :|
48:52 <NotMort> let me patch
48:57 <NotMort> okay so sarlona
48:57 <Spaceshot> you can have 2 fighters
48:59 <Brunius> Shoulda genned faster!
49:00 <NotMort> look out for a xyniel?
49:01 <NotMort> who else?
49:03 <Spaceshot> one being melee the other ranged
49:13 <Brunius> I'm focusing on ranged
49:18 <Avatar> man don't
49:19 <Brunius> So I guess you can have melee
49:21 <Avatar> ranged sucks
49:22 <Brunius> If you want
49:24 <Avatar> that's why I am rerolling
49:28 <Avatar> 10 str 16 dex on my bard
49:52 <Brunius> Fine den
49:59 <Brunius> I will reroll too!
50:03 <Avatar> well it's up to you
50:07 <Avatar> try the crystal quest
50:15 <NotMort> waaait
50:17 <NotMort> let me dl patch..
50:22 <Avatar> how long will you be mort
50:47 <NotMort> names in game?
50:48 <NotMort> god knows
50:52 <NotMort> I havent otuched ddo for 5 mths
50:54 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer reall prestige classes
51:00 <Spaceshot> rather than enhancements
51:06 <Brunius> Ranged ranger?
51:21 <Brunius> Or should I go melee ranger
51:22 <Spaceshot> I haven't touched DDO since 3 months after it initially came out as Stormreach
51:23 <Brunius> Hmmm
51:29 <Avatar> it felt to me like the ranged thing was the issue in the game
51:40 <Avatar> I asked about it in general chat and one person said ranged was fine
51:45 <Avatar> the others were noobs
51:50 <Avatar> so it was a bit hard to tell
51:58 <Spaceshot> ranged is fine
51:58 <Avatar> one guy started talking about what he uses with his monk
52:01 <Spaceshot> ranged solo is balls
52:10 <NotMort> DL dddo...
52:11 <Avatar> I'm like righto but we're talking about whether ranged is any good or not
52:14 <NotMort> splash screen
52:14 <NotMort> lol
52:15 <Avatar> I don't care if you use handwraps
53:12 <Brunius> Guys
53:13 <Brunius> Guys
53:14 <Brunius> Guys
53:15 <Avatar> I could make a paladin
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53:18 <Avatar> what
53:19 <Brunius> Ranged Ranger or Melee Ranger?
53:21 <NotMort> guys
53:28 <Avatar> i'd recommend melee because I didn't like ranged
53:33 <Brunius> You ranged hater
53:35 <NotMort> str 10 dex 10 int 10..wis and cha maxed
53:36 <Avatar> if you wanted ranged, I recommend you give it a go
53:36 <NotMort> any 
53:38 <NotMort> problems?
53:40 <Avatar> you won't fall behind
53:42 <NotMort> I odnt like ranged in ddo
53:48 <NotMort> because usaully peeps come right close to you
53:48 <Brunius> Holy shit
53:54 <NotMort> do you tink I need any changes in my stats?
53:55 <Avatar> so at the very least you know what you're getting into one way or another
53:57 <NotMort> I want to be a caster cleric
53:58 <Brunius> How did I get 20 skill points
54:03 <NotMort> Guyyyyyyysssss!!!
54:09 <Avatar> whaaaaaat
54:13 <NotMort> paladins
54:19 <Avatar> no I bagsed paladin
54:20 <Avatar> !
55:09 <Avatar> paladins don't need charisma or wisdom do they
55:20 <canine> wisdom for their spells
55:28 <Avatar> er really
55:28 <canine> unless you mean in DDO, in which case I don't know.
55:33 <Avatar> it's the same
55:47 <NotMort> ookay uploaded
55:47 <Avatar> paladins are charisma
55:51 <canine> you sure?
55:51 <NotMort> m ycharcter sheet
56:03 <canine> its divine magic
56:11 <canine> pretty sure thats always wisdom
56:23 <NotMort> guys
56:25 <NotMort> wahts the max dex bonus
56:27 <NotMort> on platemail..
56:28 <NotMort> 1?
56:32 <NotMort> cleircs wear plate right?
56:36 <NotMort> as in I should have 12 dex or 10?
56:43 <Spaceshot> paladins are CHA (smite), WIS (spell casting, doesn't need to be high), STR (damage), CON (they're in the middle of it, HP helps)
56:54 <Avatar> I'm reading charisma all over the rulebook
57:03 <NotMort> palaies have uber saves
57:21 <NotMort> but we need rogue for traps
57:22 <NotMort> nd locks
57:24 <NotMort> if any fking wizard is going lich form
57:26 <NotMort> ffs let me know
57:28 <NotMort> okay lol
57:35 <NotMort> I got enough of peeps dying on my shift cos htye never told me theywent lich
57:51 <Spaceshot> ???
57:54 <Spaceshot> wtf are you talking about?
57:58 <NotMort> palemaster - lich form
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58:00 <NotMort> they cannot be healed
58:05 <Brunius> Niice
58:05 <NotMort> u need to use harm spells to heal them
58:13 <NotMort> of ocusre no one tells me they went lich
58:18 <NotMort> so i see their hp drop I try to heal and fail
58:42 <Avatar> 14/14/12/8/14/14 look bad for a paladin?
58:47 <Avatar> con 12 int 8
58:49 <NotMort> more str less dex
59:00 <NotMort> u dont need no dex unless you be dual wielding
59:03 <Spaceshot> why dex? you'll be using plate
59:04 <Avatar> I can only make it str 15 dex 12 if I do that
59:05 <NotMort> cons can go up
59:12 <NotMort> hp is good for tanks
59:14 <Spaceshot> dex 10 imo
59:16 <Avatar> or 16/10
59:19 <Avatar> ok
59:24 <Avatar> 16/10/12/8/14/14
59:45 <Spaceshot> 14/10/14/8/12/16 I think 
59:56 <Spaceshot> wis is only needed max 14 at level fuck knows
00:02 <NotMort> 5%
00:03 <Spaceshot> you can improve that by stat increase
00:04 <NotMort> on dwnload now
00:05 <NotMort> sigh
00:35 <Avatar> er? paladins get 4 class skills?
00:36 <Spaceshot> 1hr for me
00:37 <NotMort> Il ltell ye when done
00:39 <Spaceshot> yep
00:41 <NotMort> probaoby same
00:50 <NotMort> there is a pally vairant
00:53 <NotMort> that dual wields
00:58 <NotMort> but I think...thats weird lol
01:04 <NotMort> but people do some epic weird things..im one of them
01:11 <NotMort> but ddo my character is pretty plain
01:16 <Spaceshot> TWF pally is good with smite damage
01:29 <NotMort>  iwas the one who came up with the dual wielding dragonmaster disciple for MOTB :P
01:32 <NotMort> mask of the betrayer lol
01:38 <NotMort> I was playign a deep gnome tank..
01:42 <NotMort> talk about epic weird stuff
01:43 <Brunius> Once people have finished rolling, add me
01:45 <Brunius> Qihg
01:50 <NotMort> not yet still dling
01:53 <NotMort> so we have a cleric
01:56 <NotMort> brunius pally?
01:57 <NotMort> or?
02:04 <Brunius> Ranger
02:25 <NotMort> ranger
02:32 <Avatar> hmmm diehard or cleave
02:32 <NotMort> k we have ranger, cleric..
02:32 <NotMort> cleave? :D
02:33 <NotMort> offence pwns def
02:34 <NotMort> lol
02:38 <NotMort> damn Im so uto..
02:41 <Avatar> diehard rules this game pretty hard though
02:42 <NotMort> diehard for what youre in party..
02:44 <NotMort> ?
02:53 <NotMort> if you're down it means we're all down too :D
05:44 <canine> Headed to bed, night all
05:52 <canine> or afternoon or whatever
06:03 <NotMort> 19%
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06:15 <Avatar> ok i'm Nitemeer
06:29 <NotMort> 19% on download
06:30 <NotMort> lol
06:40 <NotMort> probably eating lunch in 1.5 hrs time
06:56 <Avatar> you want to do the tutorial because there are heal potions on the way
08:12 <NotMort> ah fk tutorial :D
08:17 <NotMort> I am a cleric? :D
08:36 <NotMort> might be an hr
08:38 <NotMort> before I can create
08:40 <NotMort> still dling patch
09:04 <NotMort> 28 %'
10:27 <Spaceshot> holy, you could be a pally with 18dex
10:31 <Spaceshot> dodge and mobility
10:36 <Spaceshot> and have like 22AC
10:39 <Brunius> Avatar Pally?
10:43 <Avatar> yeah
10:50 <Brunius> Hit 0
10:50 <NotMort> what for
10:53 <Brunius> o rather
10:54 <NotMort> ac..
10:55 <NotMort> dunno
10:58 <NotMort> doenst matter unless uget uber
10:59 <NotMort> ac
10:59 <Brunius> Click friends
11:01 <NotMort> at leater levels
11:07 <Brunius> Type in Qihg then hit add
11:14 <Avatar> Spaceshot: mobility only works while you're moving through threatened space
11:26 <Spaceshot> read the ingame feat better
11:42 <Spaceshot> you get to ad +2 to the allowed dex bonus cap of armour and tower shields
11:48 <Spaceshot> add*
12:05 <NotMort> otwer shieilds
12:05 <NotMort> fk up ur attack
12:05 <NotMort> OFFENSE FTW
12:12 <Spaceshot> yes, but it counts to armour
12:19 <Spaceshot> you could wear fullplate with +3dex
12:34 <Spaceshot> and since you need dodge first, thats another +1ac
12:47 <Spaceshot> so thats 22 without a shield
12:52 <Spaceshot> add a heavy shield, and thats 24ac
14:10 <Spaceshot> I'd say 24ac at level 1 is awesome
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16:15 <NotMort> yeah it is
16:17 <NotMort> but well later in game
16:19 <NotMort> ac doesnt matter
16:23 <NotMort> u get whacked anyway
16:39 <Avatar> not sure if I should go two-handed weapon or one-handed + shield
16:47 <Avatar> I was going to go two-handed but now Spaceshot has put ideas into my head
16:52 <Spaceshot> AC is the best at low level
17:08 <Spaceshot> once you hit 7+, unless you can get into the 30s, AC starts to be useless
17:14 <Spaceshot> a pally can get into the 30s though
17:31 <Spaceshot> +2 to both shield and fullplate is already 28 with that combo
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18:14 <NotMort> 2handed in the end
18:19 <NotMort> offense wins
18:22 <Avatar> damage on a great axe is 7.15
18:22 <NotMort> no defense
18:30 <Spaceshot> in the end sure
18:32 <Avatar> sword is like 4.75
18:35 <NotMort> its all aobut off
18:36 <NotMort> not def
18:36 <Spaceshot> but to start with, AC is better than damage
18:43 <NotMort> yeah but what you do for ac at the start
18:44 <Mekkis_i7> what's awesome about 24 ac at level 1?
18:46 <NotMort> will it compromise?
18:49 <NotMort> your defense at the end?
18:53 <NotMort> as in your offense
18:57 <NotMort> your going ot spend manymany levels
19:00 <Spaceshot> Mekkis_i7: DDO
19:04 <Mekkis_i7> oh
19:12 <NotMort> I thin unless you hit like 70ac or something insanea t the end
19:14 <NotMort> theres no point about ac
19:19 <NotMort> people use spells etc..
19:22 <Spaceshot> so you know all about the end game
19:22 <NotMort> not your armor class
19:25 <NotMort> I heard
19:27 <Spaceshot> and all about the +2hit
19:28 <NotMort> I was level 14
19:30 <NotMort> remember?
19:45 <Spaceshot> 5months ago
19:48 <NotMort> yeah
19:48 <NotMort> :D
19:54 <NotMort> and I had a bunch of level 20 friends
19:59 <NotMort> who looked at my character and start /facepalm
20:00 <NotMort> :D
20:04 <NotMort> like why the hell are you in tank build
20:08 <NotMort> cleric evokers ftw :P
20:12 <NotMort> I cant remember everythign :D
20:31 <Mekkis_i7> NotMort, make a PFS character for Thursday
20:38 <Avatar> she already has one
20:40 <Mekkis_i7> Spaceshot, are you playing?
21:00 <Spaceshot> all depends when the expected end time is going to be
21:14 <Mekkis_i7> what's a suitable end time for you?
21:21 <Spaceshot> because I leave to go to an IRL game by the latest of 4pm
21:30 <Avatar> not later than 4pm
21:37 <Mekkis_i7> I've got an IRL game in the afternoon too
21:46 <Mekkis_i7> so I'd probably finish 2-3ish
21:59 <Mekkis_i7> 10am start, I suppose
22:32 <Mekkis_i7> Spaceshot, NotMort: what are your PFS numbers and levels?
23:00 <Spaceshot> lvl 1
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24:23 <Spaceshot> 22973-1 is thwang
24:35 <Spaceshot> unless we want to go into more arguements about the alchemist
24:44 <Spaceshot> I'm not gonna bother rolling him up yet
24:46 <Avatar> oh please, can we
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25:06 <NotMort> sorry
25:07 <NotMort> got dced
25:11 <Mekkis_i7> there are no arguments: we've decided
25:21 <Spaceshot> well, I think avatar has decided differently
25:24 <Spaceshot> but that's just him
25:30 <Avatar> sarcasm intended
25:34 <Avatar> if that wasn't clear
25:41 <Spaceshot> nah, ya think?
25:51 <Mekkis_i7> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22973,22871,22870
25:51 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  40:Hall of Drunken Heroes |  50:Fortune’s Blight |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  2-03 :The Rebel's Ransom  |  2-08 :The Sarkorian Prophecy  |  2-20 :Wrath of the Accursed  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords  |  2-13 :Murder on the Throaty Mermaid  |  2-
25:53 <NotMort> hey but urm
25:58 <NotMort> can my wizard go for thursday's game?
25:59 <NotMort> :D
26:13 <Mekkis_i7> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22973,22871,22870 minlevel=1 maxlevel=1
26:13 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords  |  2-13 :Murder on the Throaty Mermaid  |  2-23 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part I: At Shadow's Door  |  3-01:The Frostfur Captives |  
26:35 <NotMort> 2/3rd way to go
27:07 <Spaceshot> I thought avatar was GMing?
27:09 <Mekkis_i7> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22973,22871,22870,22876 minlevel=1 maxlevel=1
27:10 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, 4:The Frozen Fingers of Midnight |  19:Skeleton Moon |  23:Tide of the Morning |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  3:Murder on the Silken Caravan |  5:Mists of Mwangi |  8:Slaves Pits of Absalom |  2-11 :The Penumbral Accords  |  2-13 :Murder on the Throaty Mermaid  |  2-23 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part I: At Shadow's Door  |  3-01:The Frostfur Captives |  
27:11 <Spaceshot> or is avatar playing?
27:16 <Mekkis_i7> I thought I was DMing
27:27 <Spaceshot> I have no idea
27:48 <Avatar> I'm not fussed
27:51 <Avatar> you can DM if you're free
28:06 <Mekkis_i7> I'll run either Tide of Morning or Penumbral Accords
28:07 <Spaceshot> cause if avatar is DMing, Ava the munchkin will come out
28:15 <Avatar> what
28:22 <Avatar> I kill munchkins
28:25 <Spaceshot> the eventual 4armed monstrosity
28:38 <Mekkis_i7> I don't discriminate
28:45 <Avatar> you do realise I changed my mind on the -4, -4 after seeing sean's post
29:07 <Spaceshot> if you say so
29:31 <Spaceshot> still, it doesn't become an issue till I get 3xp anyway
29:38 <Spaceshot> I might still make the character for thursday
30:22 <Avatar> some joker just invited me to his guild
30:27 <Avatar> now I will infiltrate and get the goods
30:33 <Spaceshot> :D
30:35 <Spaceshot> take it all
30:45 <Brunius> You infiltrator you
30:51 <Brunius> Done any quests yet?
30:52 <Spaceshot> also avatar, DDO really fucks over AC
30:55 <NotMort> yeah
31:04 <Spaceshot> AC 1 and AC 40 at high levels has the same effect
31:06 <Avatar> just cannith crstal
31:08 <Avatar> you aren't replying to me
31:26 <NotMort> I feel like...
31:37 <NotMort> arggh
31:39 <NotMort> I cant join yet
31:40 <NotMort> still dling
31:47 <NotMort> I feel like Im one of those people in the movies/storybooks
31:51 <Brunius> I'm not on man
31:52 <NotMort> wake up with memories wiped
32:07 <Avatar> why were you rushing me !
32:21 <NotMort> was I?
32:26 <Avatar> no, brunius
32:31 <Brunius> What
32:37 <Brunius> I wasn't rushing you
33:02 <Avatar> you were all 'lol sif play the tutorial'
33:07 <Avatar> 'where r u'
33:07 <Avatar> etc
33:59 <NotMort> oh sorry
34:04 * NotMort wags her tailie
35:07 <Brunius> Can't wait for the PF equivalent of DDO to come out
36:02 <Spaceshot> doubt it
36:21 <Spaceshot> there is the 4th edition version, it's called neverwinter
36:36 <Brunius> There's one being made man
36:51 <Mekkis_i7> there is
36:52 <NotMort> neverwinter?
36:53 <Mekkis_i7> bope
36:56 <Mekkis_i7> nop
36:58 <NotMort> oh neverwinternights?
37:03 <Mekkis_i7> it's a paizo licenced thing
37:06 <Spaceshot> no, it's just neverwinter
37:14 <Spaceshot> neverwinter is NWN 3
37:17 <Spaceshot> in 4th edition
37:35 <Mekkis_i7> some Pathfinder online thing
37:45 <Mekkis_i7> it'll most likely suck
39:31 <NotMort> neverwinter nights coming out new stuff or?
39:31 <Avatar> ddo doesn't suck
39:38 <NotMort> the normal groups suck
39:45 <NotMort> no brains, no idea of teamwork :P
40:50 <Spaceshot> ok, PFO (pathfailure online) is already sounding shit, only part way reading the blog
41:24 * NotMort has a tailie
43:45 <Spaceshot> so basically, PFO has skills which are only there as a prerequisite for abilities/levels/gear
44:12 <Spaceshot> PFO also has merit badges which are like achievements, but you gain abilities when you get them, so grinding is in
44:55 <Mekkis_i7> it's an MMO, of course it will suck
45:05 <Spaceshot> DDO is an MMO
45:10 <Spaceshot> it tried to stick to DnD
45:15 <Mekkis_i7> it sucks. Your point?
45:18 <Spaceshot> till it got fucked over, and came fresh
45:31 <Spaceshot> Mekkis_i7: have you played DDO?
45:44 <Mekkis_i7> no
45:46 <NotMort> I think
45:50 <NotMort> Im going to be able to create soon
45:52 <NotMort> 89% complete
45:53 <Spaceshot> your assumptions are moot
46:42 <Spaceshot> I've got 15mins
47:10 <NotMort> to creation?
51:09 <Spaceshot> well, 11now
51:16 <Spaceshot> and that's till download is complete
51:19 <Spaceshot> then have to install
54:22 <NotMort> okay
55:01 <NotMort> creating chracter
55:03 <NotMort> gonan swithc mirc
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59:36 <Spaceshot> does anyone know how wands/scrolls work in DDO?
00:21 <Brunius> You click em and they work
00:27 <Avatar> yeah what do you need to know
00:45 <Spaceshot> if I'm able to use wands and scrolls as a level one cleric (for example)
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00:54 <NotMort> oh I see
00:55 <Spaceshot> does that mean I can use all the wands in their spell list, and any level 1 scrolls?
00:57 <NotMort> no ownder wrong 
00:58 <NotMort> bloody
01:02 <NotMort> nevermind Im relogging
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01:14 <Avatar> yeah I think so
01:42 <Spaceshot> nice
01:49 <Spaceshot> half-elf seems to be the best race
02:42 <Avatar> you have to pay for half-elf
02:43 <Spaceshot> really?
02:48 <Avatar> check it
02:53 <Spaceshot> BALLS
02:59 <Spaceshot> I want my owning of the game to matter
03:08 <Avatar> you don't own it, it's free
03:13 <Avatar> you can pay I guess
03:15 <Avatar> then you can play half-elf
04:00 <Spaceshot> I own stormreach
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04:11 <NotMort> back in
04:13 <NotMort> wright comp
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05:34 <Spaceshot> not being a drow either, balls
05:36 <Spaceshot> human it is
06:53 <NotMort> diong my hair people
06:55 <NotMort> human cleric ;P
07:19 <NotMort> weres my blue hair
08:34 <NotMort> ah fk
08:35 <NotMort> red hair
08:36 <NotMort> green eyes
08:37 <NotMort> OKAY
08:39 <NotMort> wheres everyone
08:52 <NotMort> 14 cons 16 wis 14 cha
09:00 <NotMort> gona go for lunch soon
10:56 <Spaceshot> installing atm
11:46 <NotMort> who is in there
11:51 <Spaceshot> I
12:00 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure if I want to go wiz or sorc
12:03 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking sorc
12:09 <Spaceshot> but wiz has all the spells
12:22 <Avatar> sorc gets double the spell points
12:26 <Avatar> it's a tough choice
12:37 <Avatar> probably wiz unless you're really familiar with ddo's spells
13:52 <Spaceshot> I use to be :P
14:06 <Spaceshot> I think I had a level 4 straight wiz
14:15 <Spaceshot> almost at 5 before I stopped
17:16 <Spaceshot> can rangers disarm traps?
17:32 <NotMort> , there
17:58 <Brunius> Dunno
18:01 <Brunius> I'll check next level
18:29 <Brunius> Not a class skill
19:13 <Avatar> Spaceshot
19:17 <Avatar> looks like you'll have to be a rogue
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19:45 <Spaceshot> nope
19:52 <Spaceshot> unless I decide wiz
19:56 <Spaceshot> then I'll go first level rogue
20:04 <Avatar> I'm joking
20:09 <Avatar> mort is making a big deal out of not having a rogue
20:11 <Avatar> play what you want
20:15 <Spaceshot> rogues are needed
20:16 <Spaceshot> trust me
20:23 <Brunius> Then roll one
20:33 <Spaceshot> was gonna take a level or 2 in it
21:46 <NotMort> yeah
21:50 <NotMort> lol Im back in
21:53 <NotMort> been around and having lunch
22:07 <Spaceshot> mort, what level are rogues needed?
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23:44 <NotMort> urm at any level
23:47 <NotMort> if I trip over my tail..
23:51 <NotMort> becuase I fell on to a spike trap
23:58 <NotMort> Ill kick the rogue :P
24:02 <NotMort> hehee
24:03 <NotMort> kidding
24:09 <NotMort> but poitn is alot of dungeons like gweyns stand
24:12 <NotMort> cant be run without rogue
24:15 <NotMort> traps will kill yoyu
24:19 <NotMort> esp at hardest level difficulty
24:27 <NotMort> and thats at lv 7
24:28 <Spaceshot> why don't you roll a rogue then?
24:31 <NotMort> its not the mobs that will kill you
24:33 <NotMort> cos they have no cleric
24:34 <NotMort> take your pick
24:35 <NotMort> L:D
24:39 <Spaceshot> we have a pally
24:50 <NotMort> no cleric = pwned too
24:51 <Spaceshot> lay on hands
24:51 <NotMort> besides Im not really suited for rogue
24:51 <NotMort> limtied chrages
24:56 <NotMort> u need  cleric iwth radiant servant for heal
24:57 <Spaceshot> so is healing
24:59 <NotMort> I not relaly evasive enough
25:02 <NotMort> for rogue
25:12 <NotMort> to be in melee and heal at same time
25:19 <NotMort> usuall yI have a decent snese of self preservation though
25:21 <Spaceshot> ffs got huge update
25:23 <NotMort> so as cleric can stay alive
25:24 <Spaceshot> FML
25:39 <NotMort> rogue u need a special type of person
25:41 <NotMort> sneaky sort :P
25:48 <NotMort> Im too bash the guy on the head sort, and heal sort
27:13 <Spaceshot> what's the US$ cost of favoured soul?
27:23 <Spaceshot> and artificer?
31:20 <Avatar> dunno, open the store and check
31:32 <Spaceshot> not in game yet, in the loading screen doing updates
32:38 <Spaceshot> wow... the learn more button on the front page going to the store
32:48 <Spaceshot> loads up IE not your home browser
33:18 <Spaceshot> default browser*
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38:20 <Spaceshot> I might, might buy artificer
38:21 <Spaceshot> might
40:43 <Avatar> is it worth taking a level of rogue to my paladin
40:55 <Spaceshot> what do you want it for?
41:03 <Avatar> sneak attack and trapfinding
41:13 <Spaceshot> are you level 2 already?
41:17 <Avatar> yeah
41:20 <Spaceshot> ffs
41:24 <Avatar> doesn't take long
41:42 <Avatar> alternatively I can stick with paladin and get lay on hands
42:01 <Mekkis_i7> Avatar, want to modify the topic?
42:31 <Avatar> to what
43:33 <Avatar> paladin seems to become shit very quickly
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44:37 <Spaceshot> many classes are shit soloing
44:44 <NotMort> and I live once more :P
44:50 <NotMort> okay now what whos running stuff
44:52 <NotMort> clerics can solo
44:55 <NotMort> if yu wanna take voerever
44:57 <NotMort> forever
45:08 <Spaceshot> avatar is already level 2
45:14 <Spaceshot> no idea where brunius is
45:16 <NotMort> yeah Im coming
45:18 <NotMort> tell him ivnite me
45:23 <Brunius> I levelled at the same time as Avatar
45:25 <Spaceshot> I'm not even in yet
45:34 <Spaceshot> still updating
45:46 <NotMort> ivnitnes?
45:51 <NotMort> invite me to party>?
45:58 <Brunius> I told him to
46:03 <Brunius> Not sure if he's paying attention
46:22 <Avatar> mort you have to go to stormreach first
46:33 <Avatar> go there and come back and tell us when you're back
46:34 <Brunius> Oh that
46:35 <NotMort> what?
46:36 <NotMort> okay
46:54 <NotMort> k in stomrreach now
46:55 <NotMort> share quests
46:59 <NotMort> u not doing starteer questS?
47:00 <NotMort> sigh
47:05 <NotMort> okay Im a level one cleric
47:10 <Avatar> yeah we are
47:14 <Avatar> you just have to go there for us to be able to invite you
47:19 <Avatar> come back to korthos now
47:49 <NotMort> k
50:31 <Avatar> level of rogue is very tempting 
50:42 <Spaceshot> take it then
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50:59 <Avatar> you reckon
51:16 <Spaceshot> beats me taking it :P
51:25 <Avatar> it will only be useful at lower levels
51:32 <Avatar> well, sneak attack 1d6 will be handy forever
51:48 <Avatar> although if I take a level of fighter I get a bonus feat right now
53:17 <Spaceshot> rogue mechanic sounds op
53:24 <Spaceshot> add int damage to all crossbows
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53:34 <NotMort> sowwie lol
53:37 <NotMort> thats one problem with me
54:34 <Brunius> Mmmm Blueberry poptarts
54:43 <Brunius> Anyone got Brink?
55:11 <Spaceshot> brink is average
55:26 <Spaceshot> its a console game made for PC
55:34 <Brunius> It is great man
55:50 <Spaceshot> firstly, you have to grind your levels
55:55 <Spaceshot> like all current FPS
56:16 <Brunius> Who cares about levels man
56:26 <Spaceshot> it's grinding
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58:55 <NotMort> great
58:57 <NotMort> its raining here
59:00 <NotMort> connection is going all the way to hell
59:06 <NotMort> epic crap
59:20 * NotMort poitns middle finger at the rain
01:45 * NotMort keeps fingers crossed
08:09 <Spaceshot> what server?
08:35 <NotMort> sarlona
12:18 <Spaceshot> lol, 8/10/16/8/8/18
13:35 <Spaceshot> do humans get +1 to 2 different stats?
14:24 <Spaceshot> oh, enhancement, gotcha :P
18:48 <Spaceshot> is echew materials worth it?
20:37 <NotMort> dont thin kso
23:26 <Spaceshot> is AOE needed at first level?
28:14 <Brunius> NOpe
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31:49 <MekkisScreen> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339
31:50 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1:Silent Tide |  52:City of Strangers-Pt2: The Twofold Demise |  
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32:05 <MekkisScreen> wow
32:08 <MekkisScreen> that's correct
32:31 <Spaceshot> you can only play 2 scenarios on all of your guys?
32:31 <MekkisScreen> (in that though I've played those scenarios, they weren't reported)
33:31 <Brunius>  !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339 unplaed=1
33:35 <Brunius>  !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339 unplayed=1
33:41 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339 unplayed=1
33:41 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skul
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57:23 <Spaceshot> where are you guys?
00:42 <Thelen> in ur basement
00:45 <Thelen> scaring up ur monsters
00:57 <Spaceshot> how dare thee
01:05 <Brunius> Restarting for graphics card update
01:06 <Brunius> Please hold...
01:07 <Spaceshot> heh
01:09 <Mekkis_i7> Brunius, as much as I'd appreciate you running those 7-11s for me, it's probably better to run some lower level ones 
01:09 <Spaceshot> Avatar:
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01:10 <Spaceshot> ?
01:58 <Spaceshot> this for myzatir(no idea on spelling) Mekkis_i7??
02:05 <Spaceshot> the 7-11s
02:47 <Avatar> what?
03:13 <Avatar> spaceshot what's your character name
03:14 <Spaceshot> where are joo in DDO?
03:18 <Spaceshot> Rital
04:13 <Spaceshot> currently just started a quest, don't care about doing it if we can group up
04:30 <Avatar> i'll join you
04:34 <Avatar> but you have to go to stormreach first
04:52 <Spaceshot> actually, I'll want to reroll, fucked up XD
05:01 <Spaceshot> forgot rays need dex XD
05:47 <Mekkis_i7> Mytiazair is of appropriate level, yes
05:58 <Avatar> not putting a point in dex is fucking me up, let me tell you
06:18 <Spaceshot> how so?
06:39 <Spaceshot> I'm now 8/14/14/8/8/18 over what I was 8/10/16/8/8/18
06:39 <Avatar> my AC is lower than it should be
06:42 <Spaceshot> so?
06:44 <Avatar> even full plate has a max dex bonus of +1
06:53 <Spaceshot> unless you heavily focus AC,
06:57 <Spaceshot> it doesn't matter in a few levels
07:03 <Avatar> yeah it better not
07:07 <Avatar> i'm not even sure what class to focus yet
07:17 <Avatar> I'm actually considering taking 3 levels of rogue now
07:27 <Avatar> and then going fighter the rest of the way
07:36 <Avatar> paladin was a poor choice
07:46 <Mekkis_i7> go rogue 1 / assassin 1
08:24 <Avatar> I can't go assassin, I'm lawful good
09:30 <Spaceshot> haha, just reroll then
09:32 <Spaceshot> it won't kill you
09:40 <Avatar> I'm level 2 rank 7 man
09:42 <Spaceshot> you only spent like what, an hr or less on that first pally levl
09:43 <Avatar> half way to level 3
09:44 <Spaceshot> so?
09:45 <Avatar> I am not rerolling
10:12 <Avatar> I'll tell you to reroll when you get here
10:14 <Avatar> we'll see if you do it
11:10 <Spaceshot> well you can bitch about the first level of pally being a wasted level
11:13 <Spaceshot> or do something about it
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13:07 <Avatar> oh don't you worry
13:12 <Avatar> I'll be smiting evil all over the place
13:27 <Thelen> haha
13:42 <Spaceshot> for like +1 damage
13:48 <Spaceshot> or +2 if they outsider, undead, or dragon
13:54 <Avatar> twice cha bonus to the attack roll
14:01 <Avatar> I have a 14 cha
14:06 <Avatar> I mean there's my wasted stat right there
15:02 <Spaceshot> oh, it's completely different to pathfinder (might just be DDO though)?
15:54 <Avatar> twice cha bonus to attacks, and +paladin level to damage
16:08 <Avatar> 90 second cooldown
16:27 <Avatar> I can buy two smites every 90 seconds, if I buy the enhancement
16:31 <Avatar> but I'm never using it honestly
17:53 <Avatar> I think paladin gives me +1 to AC vs evil as well too, thanks to aura of good
17:58 <Avatar> so that's something
18:20 <Spaceshot> yea maybe
18:33 <Spaceshot> also, when did skeletons have immunity to cold?
18:43 <Avatar> no idea
18:44 <Avatar> are you playing
19:00 <Avatar> gp to stormreach goddammit
19:02 <Spaceshot> rerolled, in the noob dungeon atm
19:15 <Avatar> what is the noob dungeon
19:18 <Avatar> the tutorial?
19:21 <Spaceshot> yea
19:26 <Spaceshot> the one with the 3 npcs
19:36 <Mekkis_i7> but Avatar doesn't like +1s
20:01 <Mekkis_i7> Avatar, you should play in SoTo again...
21:53 <Avatar> why
22:03 <Spaceshot> cause he wants to :P
23:29 <Spaceshot> can I ever return to Korthos?
24:03 <Avatar> yes
24:04 <Spaceshot> you could always reroll and we could do korthos together
24:05 <Avatar> return immediately
24:13 <Avatar> you just have to go there and come back
24:24 <Spaceshot> ahh
24:35 <Spaceshot> in stormreach, same name
24:42 <Avatar> and hurry up
24:43 <Avatar> i'm waiting
24:58 <Spaceshot> here
34:34 <Mekkis_i7> why not?
34:38 <snypt> soto was pretty cool
34:49 <Mekkis_i7> you should come too, snypt 
34:56 <snypt> should come where?
35:01 <Mekkis_i7> and play SoTo
35:02 <Mekkis_i7> :S
35:23 <tristen> heya mekkis
35:31 <snypt> if time permits and the game sarts up again i will play
35:34 <tristen> did you bag the feats db from here:
35:37 <tristen> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/feats-db
36:01 <tristen> that site is crazy good
36:43 <Mekkis_i7> yep
36:57 <Mekkis_i7> I've got a ruby script that does it all
37:11 <Mekkis_i7> got 3.5e monsters in it too
37:16 <Mekkis_i7> !monster
37:16 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, Krenshar
37:26 <Mekkis_i7> !fullattack Krenshar
37:26 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, Bite: [1d20=10] 12; Bite: [1d6=2] 2; claws: [1d20=4] 4, [1d20=19] 19; claw: [1d4=3] 3, [1d4=1] 1
37:32 <tristen> nice
37:38 <Mekkis_i7> !init Krenshar
37:39 <diebot> Mekkis_i7, (Dex): [1d20=4] 6
37:39 <tristen> bloody nice
38:53 <Mekkis_i7> Ballig said he'd run it if there was sufficient interest
39:03 <Mekkis_i7> 100% of the surviving PCs are interested...
42:16 <Mekkis_i7> snypt, how is Time looking this year?
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43:09 <NotMort> sorry
43:12 <NotMort> epic fkup
43:17 <NotMort> I told you it was raining :(
44:31 <Spaceshot> Mekkis_i7: I'd like to answer for snypt. I believe time will be constant this year, like all the others
44:52 <NotMort> :P
47:34 <Mekkis_i7> ah, but is it looking /pewrmissive/
47:44 <Mekkis_i7> /permissive/ even
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17:07 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=22870,22871,10339 minlevel=3 maxlevel=5
17:10 <diebot> Ballig, 
17:13 <Ballig> :(
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24:13 <Jaggedsoul> anyone around?
24:59 <Ballig> sup j-dizzle
25:24 <Jaggedsoul> for an 8th level character
25:52 <Ballig> hm?
25:58 <Jaggedsoul> can I buy a +5 weapon, armor or shield so long as it does not exceed 16500 gg?
26:26 <Jaggedsoul> or just +1?
26:55 <Ballig> it will exceed 16500
28:48 <Ballig> you can buy whatever you want, as long as it's PFS-legal and doesn't exceed 16500
29:01 <Ballig> (a +5 armour, shield or weapon will exceed 16500 though)
29:26 <Jaggedsoul> really?
29:32 <Ballig> armour is cheaper than weapons, and +5 is 25000
29:40 <Avatar> ballig log on with your bard
29:46 <Ballig> what
29:47 <Avatar> we need our courage to be inspired
29:47 <Ballig> log on what
29:50 <Avatar> ddo
29:51 <Ballig> oh, DDO
29:52 <Ballig> no thanks
29:58 <Avatar> mort is really good
30:06 <Ballig> yeah but it's DDO
30:16 <NotMort> lol
30:21 <Avatar> but we need your tunez
30:23 <NotMort> I have been around befoer
30:28 <NotMort> so i was a 14 cleric once
30:32 <NotMort> with most of my memmory gone
30:53 <Ballig> I am a real life bard now
31:00 <Ballig> with my keyboard and amazing Victory Fanfare skills
31:04 <Jaggedsoul> do I use core rulebook for cost of magic items?
31:14 <Ballig> Jaggedsoul: sure
33:51 <Jaggedsoul> can't find the table for the cost
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34:36 <Avatar> brunius
34:37 <Avatar> do you want in
34:42 <Avatar> about to go into the manufactury
34:48 <Avatar> mort, spaceshot, me
34:49 <Avatar> and you
34:54 <Avatar> hard
35:02 <Brunius> Can't run DDO on this compy
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35:14 <Ballig> Jaggedsoul: it's under "Magic Items"
36:50 <Brunius> What did Spaceshot end up going as?
37:32 <Jaggedsoul> thanks
39:59 <Spaceshot> sorc
40:06 <Spaceshot> inDDO
40:16 <Brunius> Hmm
49:19 <Spaceshot> yea, it's ok
49:21 <Spaceshot> hit level 2
49:33 <Spaceshot> stats are 8/14/14/8/8/18
49:37 <Spaceshot> human
50:15 <Spaceshot> love having +7wil with 8wis
52:35 <Brunius> !idealscenario dm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876
52:35 <diebot> Brunius, idealscenario gm=<pfsnumber> player=<pfsnumber,pfsnumber> [minlevel=n] [maxlevel=n] [redm=1] [unplayed=1]  
52:49 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1
52:49 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
53:30 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1 unplayed =1
53:31 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=22870,22871,10339 minlevel=3 maxlevel=5
53:31 <diebot> Ballig, 
53:31 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
53:43 <Jaggedsoul> can one weapon be both adamantine and cold iron?
53:51 <Brunius> Don't think so
53:56 <Jaggedsoul> ok
54:15 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 unplayed =1
54:16 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
54:29 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876
54:29 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
54:34 <Brunius> ...
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54:45 <Ballig> pretty sure it's telling you to GM silent tide
54:55 <Spaceshot> Jaggedsoul: yes it can
55:05 <Brunius> Avatar has already played Silent Tide
55:12 <Spaceshot> only if it is a double weapon which the blade is maid of metal but the handle isn't
55:16 <Spaceshot> like an orc double axe
55:46 <Ballig> pretty sure in that case you have to enchant the heads separately
55:54 <Spaceshot> yep
56:16 <Spaceshot> thought you enchanted double weapons seperately anyway
56:20 <Brunius> You do
56:30 <Ballig> yeah
56:33 <Brunius> Spaceshot: Know any good third-party bitz sites?
56:38 <Ballig> I meant in the case of a double weapon, not in the case of a double weapon made of different metal
56:46 <Spaceshot> I use thecombatcompany.com.au
57:00 <Ballig> what's a bitz
57:01 <Brunius> Mekkis / Mekkis_i7 / MekkisScreen : What did you say right before I left last time?
57:08 <Brunius> third party, Spaceshot
57:13 <Spaceshot> ???
57:16 <Spaceshot> they are thirdparty
57:21 <Spaceshot> they aren't run by GW
57:23 <Ballig> [4:59:54 PM] <Mekkis_i7> Brunius, as much as I'd appreciate you running those 7-11s for me, it's probably better to run some lower level ones 
57:24 <Brunius> I mean not GW bitz
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57:28 <notMort> oops
57:39 <Spaceshot> yea, they have non GW bitz, but not many
57:40 <Brunius> Cheers
57:52 <Spaceshot> what type of bitz are you looking for?
57:56 <Ballig> what's a bitz
57:58 <notMort> thers alot of pwoer gaming u can do in ddo..
57:59 <Spaceshot> that might help narrow down the search
58:02 <notMort> if UI could remember everything
58:02 <notMort> if I
58:15 <Brunius> bitz (n): An item used to customise a miniature
58:16 <notMort> and Im a complete novice
58:18 <notMort> compared to my ol friends
58:18 <Avatar> that's as far as brunius and I got
58:22 <Spaceshot> Ballig: bitz (or bits) is a term used for wargaming miniature bit/item/plastic
58:38 <notMort> I also have a bad memory for dungeons
58:54 <notMort> dotn ever ask me about the pit
59:00 <notMort> I couldnt run it to save my life
59:04 <Spaceshot> Brunius: what sort of bitz? fantasy? sci-fi? vehicles? weapons? heads? torsos?
59:06 <Spaceshot> aliens?
59:11 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1 unplayed =1 maxlevel=5
59:11 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
59:20 <Brunius> RAAAAARGH
59:23 <notMort> if we want ot do it easily
59:28 <notMort> get armor of invulranbilty
59:29 <Brunius> heads, Spaceshot
59:36 <Spaceshot> for IG?
59:39 <Brunius> I might grab some from pig iron
59:40 <notMort> wehtaher it be plate or cloth or wateva
59:42 <Brunius> for IG
59:50 <Spaceshot> female or male or don't care?
59:52 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 unplayed=1 maxlevel=5
59:52 <diebot> Ballig, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull
59:56 <Brunius> Male
00:10 <Brunius> It's the redm screwing with it?
00:16 <notMort> problem is IM poro as a chruch mulse
00:17 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 unplayed =1 maxlevel=5
00:18 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
00:24 <Brunius> Nope, it just hates me
00:24 <Ballig> take the space out
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00:26 <Brunius> MEKKIS
00:30 <Brunius> Your bot hates me
00:32 <Ballig> you have a space before =
00:41 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 unplayed=1 maxlevel=5
00:42 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skul
00:46 <Brunius> derpity
00:47 <Spaceshot> noob XD
00:51 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1 unplayed=1 maxlevel=5
00:52 <diebot> Ballig, 1:Silent Tide |  2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull
01:14 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1  maxlevel=5
01:15 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
01:19 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=10339,22871,22876 redm=1 maxlevel=5
01:19 <diebot> Brunius, 1:Silent Tide |  
01:22 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=22870,22871,10339 redm=1 unplayed=1 maxlevel=5
01:23 <diebot> Ballig, 2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull Hill |  38:No Pl
01:28 <Brunius> What's up with silent tide anyway
01:33 <Brunius> I've got it now Ballig
01:35 <Spaceshot> what sort of heads? IG cadian-like?
01:37 <Ballig> that was for me
01:59 <Brunius> Ca(na)dian aesthetic fitting
02:07 <Spaceshot> http://www.thecombatcompany.com.au/c00022-micro-art-studio-commando-beret-heads.asp
02:11 <Brunius> Maybe I should get scenario #2
02:17 <Spaceshot> they look good for squad leaders
02:26 <Brunius> owait, paizo won't accept my card
02:26 <Ballig> maybe I should get #2
02:28 <Brunius> bitches
02:57 <Avatar> maybe I will get #2
03:08 <Tashes> When's school holidays over?
03:12 <Ballig> is it on your list
03:19 <Brunius> February
03:26 <Brunius> Early february
03:30 <Ballig> how do you know if a scenario is retired
03:50 <Brunius> It's in the retired scenarios section on the site
03:52 <Tashes> you mean i gotta wait a whole month to be rid of spaceshot?
04:04 <Ballig> spaceshot doesn't go to school
04:06 <Brunius> Spaceshot isn't in high school
04:12 <Ballig> he's on centrelink
04:21 <Spaceshot> nope
04:26 <Ballig> my tax dollars pay for his internet connection
04:27 <Spaceshot> I'll be going to AIE
04:28 <Spaceshot> in melb
04:38 <Spaceshot> Ballig: I really doubt YOUR tax dollars do it
04:46 <Brunius> 2012-Fri 3 Feb-First day for students
04:47 <Ballig> they do
04:55 <Ballig> I got a statement from the department of human services
05:00 <Ballig> and they told me that all of my tax dollars go to your internet
05:22 <Tashes> Oh. That sucks then
05:26 <Brunius> Ballig: That security guard on the front desk looked shifty
05:35 <Ballig> which one
05:41 <Ballig> the tall one or the portly one?
05:46 <Brunius> The one that called you
05:50 <Ballig> I think that's Ken
05:52 <Ballig> I wouldn't trust him
06:02 <Ballig> don't trust anyone named Ken, as a general rule
06:25 <Brunius> Yeah, I know one ken, he's real shifty
06:28 <Brunius> I met him at a con
06:49 <Mekkis> so did I
08:03 <Brunius> $30.81 left on this card
08:04 <Brunius> Hmmm
08:08 <Brunius> What can I spend it on
08:14 <Ballig> a DDO subscription
08:18 <Brunius> No
08:21 <Brunius> Just no
08:32 <Ballig> buy Avatar some lemonade
08:40 <Mekkis> postage
08:48 <Brunius> 10 bottles of lemonade?
08:50 <Brunius> Why?
08:51 <Mekkis> for a motherboard and CPU
09:22 <Ballig> did that card fit, Brunius
09:27 <Brunius> Yep
09:40 <Ballig> you still use a CRT monitor don't you
09:43 <Brunius> I'm only running it on one 6 pin power connector at the moment, and it's still faster than my old card
09:49 <Brunius> Yeah, still using a CRT :S
09:51 <Ballig> haha
10:03 <Ballig> so you have a VGA to DVI adaptor?
10:03 <Brunius> Yep
10:14 <Ballig> spend the $30 on a deposit on a 24" wide screen LCD monitor
10:33 <Brunius> Hmmm
11:05 <Brunius> Mekkis: I could buy you 3.4335839598997493734335839598997 PFS scenarios to pay you back for that postage?
11:26 <Mekkis> that'll work
12:19 <Mekkis> buy me the back half of Bestiary 3
12:23 <Mekkis> you can keep the front half
13:01 <Brunius> Ha
13:08 <Brunius> Why do you only need the back half?
13:09 <Ballig> what's in the back half
13:19 <Mekkis> appendices :)
13:37 <Brunius> Ha
14:07 <Ballig> where do I find the retired scenarios list
14:13 <Spaceshot> he only cares for druidness XD
14:43 <Mekkis> SELECT * FROM PFS_SCENARIO WHERE RETIRED = 'Y'
15:02 <Ballig> I just typed that and it didn't work
15:02 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/scenarios/retired
15:38 <Ballig> maybe I will buy #2
15:45 <Brunius> Go on then
15:51 <Mekkis> what is #2?
15:58 <Ballig> hydra's fang incident
16:08 <Brunius> Have you played that?
16:09 <Mekkis> UPDATE PFS_SCENARIO SET RETIRED = 'Y' WHERE NUMBER LIKE '19%'
17:22 <Mekkis> I don't think Balls has
17:42 <Brunius> Have you?
17:42 <Ballig> I haven't
17:58 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870
18:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 
18:07 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870 unplayed=1
18:09 <diebot> Mekkis, 2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull Hill |  38:No Pl
18:16 <Mekkis> it's Ideal :)
18:24 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870 redm=1
18:25 <diebot> Brunius, 
18:31 <Brunius> Obv
19:16 <Brunius> Hmmm
19:28 <Brunius> Maybe I should buy some Brink DLCs when Steam puts them on sale
19:33 <Mekkis> nah
19:39 <Mekkis> that's a stupid idea
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20:09 <Ballig> haha he's using Avatar's quit message
20:52 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20 test @Ballig @diebot
21:02 <Ballig> I didn't get anything
21:29 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20 test @Ballig @diebot
21:39 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20 test @Ballig @diebot @Mekkis
21:47 <Ballig> still nothing
22:00 <Mekkis> looks like I never got around to implementing that
24:32 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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25:12 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870 unplayed=1
25:13 <diebot> Mekkis, 2:The Hydra’s Fang Incident |  6:Black Waters |  7:Among the Living |  13:The Prince of Augustana |  14:Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch |  16:To Scale the Dragon |  22:Fingerprints of the Fiend |  26:Lost at Bitter End |  27:Our Lady of Silver |  28:Lyrics of Extinction |  31:Sniper in the Deep |  32:Drow
25:14 <diebot> of the Darkland’s Pyramid |  34:Encounter at the Drowning Stones |  36:Echoes of the Everwar, Pt I – Prisoner of Skull Hill |  38:No Plunder, No Pay |  41:The Devil We Know-Pt3: Crypt of Fools |  42:Echoes of the Everwar-Pt2:Watcher of Ages |  44:Echoes of the Everwar-Pt3: Terror at Whistledown |  46:Eyes of the
25:14 <diebot> Ten-Pt1: Requiem for the Red Raven |  48:The Devil We Know-Pt4: Rules of the swift |  49:Among the Dead |  53:Echoes of the Everwar-Pt4: The Faithless Dead |  2-Special:Pathfinder Society Special: Year of the Shadow Lodge |  2-EX :The Midnight Mauler  |  2-04 :Shadows Fall on Absalom  |  2-05 :Eyes of the Ten -- Part
25:14 <diebot> III: Red Revolution  |  2-05 :Eyes of the Ten—Part III: Red Revolution  |  2-06 :The Heresy of Man -- Part I: The First Heresy  |  2-07 :The Heresy of Man -- Part II: Where Dark Things Sleep  |  2-09 :The Heresy of Man -- Part III: Beneath Forgotten Sands  |  2-10 :Fury of the Fiend  |  2-12 :Below the Silver Tarn  |
25:14 <diebot> 2-14 :The Chasm of Screams  |  2-16 :The Flesh Collector  |  2-18 :The Forbidden Furnace of Forgotten Koor  |  2-19 :Shades of Ice -- Part III: Keep of the Huskarl King  |  2-21 :The Dalsine Affair  |  2-22 :Eyes of the Ten -- Part IV: Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained  |  2-24 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part II: Web of
25:14 <diebot> Corruption  |  2-25 :You Only Die Twice  |  2-26 :The Mantis's Prey  |  3-03:The Ghenett Manor Gauntlet |  3-04:The Kortos Envoy |  3-06:Song of the Sea Witch |  3-07:Echoes of the Overwatched |  3-08:Among the Gods |  3-09:The Quest for Perfection – Part 1: The edge of heaven |  3-10:The immortal conundrum | 
25:14 <diebot> 3-11:The Quest for Perfection – Part 2: On Hostile Waters |  3-12:Wonders in the Weave – Part 1: The Dog Pharaoh's tomb |  
25:26 <Mekkis> too spammy, you think?
25:33 <Ballig> yeah maybe
25:36 <Ballig> that's actually a good one to PM
25:57 <Mekkis> I'll see what I can do
25:59 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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27:56 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870 unplayed=1
28:01 <Ballig> !idealscenario gm=22876 player=10339,22871,22870 unplayed=1
28:08 <Ballig> looks good
28:25 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870 redm=1
28:48 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870,22876 redm=1
28:56 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870,22876 
29:25 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870,22876 minlevel=3 maxlevel=3
29:37 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870,22876 minlevel=7 maxlevel=7
29:38 <diebot> Mekkis, 40:Hall of Drunken Heroes |  50:Fortune’s Blight |  2-02 :Before the Dawn -- Part II: Rescue at Azlant Ridge  |  2-03 :The Rebel's Ransom  |  2-08 :The Sarkorian Prophecy  |  2-20 :Wrath of the Accursed  |  2-23 :Shadow's Last Stand—Part I: At Shadow's Door  |  3-02:Sewer Dragons of Absalom |  
29:45 <Mekkis> good
29:54 <Mekkis> if it's one line, it goes to channel
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42:37 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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47:33 <Ballig> http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/potion.png
19:40 <Mekkis> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2135918/ces-2012-3m-showcases-46in-projected-capacitive-display?WT.rss_f=Home&WT.rss_a=CES+2012%3A+3M+showcases+46in+projected+capacitive+display
19:45 <Mekkis> let's port CA to it!
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39:29 <NotMort> ddo down?
39:32 <NotMort> I saw maintanence
40:45 <Avatar> no
40:50 <Avatar> we just finished misery peak
41:18 <NotMort> ah lol
41:20 <NotMort> grr
41:23 <NotMort> I am fairly pissed
41:25 <NotMort> Im switching comps
41:28 <Avatar> what are good feats for a str based fighter to take?
41:28 <NotMort> I cant play on this compbtw
41:40 <NotMort> how olong did it take you tofinish misery peak
41:51 <Avatar> well we were going to start it shortly before you left
41:54 <NotMort> sorry lol
41:56 <NotMort> I fked up
41:56 <Avatar> and just finished it shortly after you came back
41:59 <NotMort> sigh
42:00 <NotMort> thanks lol
42:04 <NotMort> nevermind some ohter time
42:05 <Avatar> we can play it on hard later I guess
42:08 <NotMort> u sure?
42:13 <Avatar> yeah, it's great exp
42:14 <NotMort> I am going ot have dinenr in 20 min time
42:15 <NotMort> yeah
42:26 <NotMort> then I dont knwo what my activity will be like tongiht
42:29 <Avatar> also there is another reward I want
42:32 <NotMort> becuase the current comp Im trying to play ddo on..
42:35 <NotMort> u will only get it once
42:39 <NotMort> misery peak rewards only once :)
42:41 <Avatar> whatever, I will be an hour working how to level pu
42:46 <Avatar> oh really?
42:47 <NotMort> :P
42:49 <NotMort> yeah :)
42:50 <NotMort> lol
42:56 <NotMort> acutlaly some people cbfked to do misery peak
42:58 <Avatar> I'm seriously considering taking an exotic proficiency here
43:00 <NotMort> because the xp per hr..
43:03 <NotMort> is better else wehre
43:12 <NotMort> Im no kind of character gnerator sadly on melee i just learnt abit on clerics
43:15 <NotMort> but melee u want dps..
43:21 <NotMort> and tanking capabiliies
43:40 <Avatar> after cleave I don't know what to take
44:05 <NotMort> toughness
44:07 <NotMort> dont ever forget it
45:04 <Avatar> forget toughness
45:06 <Avatar> I have plenty of hp
45:17 <NotMort> dont say that
45:22 <NotMort> late game ur hp dorps like a fking rock
45:36 <Avatar> maybe shield mastery
46:07 <NotMort> http://ddowiki.com/page/Starting_a_Paladin
46:07 <NotMort> hehe
46:46 <Avatar> wow nice find!
46:56 <NotMort> Paladin Feats
46:56 <NotMort> As the Paladin is a Melee class, many of the feats are easy to select, such as Weapon Focus, Improved Critical, and Toughness. Depending on their weapon choice, two-handed fighting or two-weapon fighting feat line is often taken. Extend spell is another common choice, as is weapon proficiency Khopesh.
46:56 <NotMort> Beyond those, the feats differ depending on the Build and role of the Paladin. Paladins that splash Rogue will typically take Skill Focus: UMD, while healing/casting oriented Pure Paladins will take Mental Toughness / Improved Mental Toughness. AC-focused builds will often take Combat Expertise and Dodge, and Skill Focus: Intimidate for IntimiTanks, along with Shield Mastery and Improved Shield 
46:56 <NotMort> Mastery. Force of Personality substitutes his Charisma modifier in place of Wisdom for the Will Save. This can be a useful feat for higher Charisma builds, or builds that are not as dependent on their Wisdom for casting, or have sufficient Wisdom without an item to cast the needed spells, thus potentially freeing an item slot. Dragonmarks are also a flavor consideration for Halflings, Elves, and 
46:56 <NotMort> Humans, as the Halfling Healing Mark provides strong Healing abilities, the Elven Shadow Mark offers Displacement, and the Human Passage Mark gives Expeditious Retreat and Dimension Door.
46:57 <NotMort> Paladins usually do not need to invest their feats into saves-based feats, such as Luck of Heroes or Iron Will, but Bullheaded is a common choice for IntimiTanks due to the bonus to Intimidate. Other specialty multiclassed Paladin builds may take feats to complement their other classes, such as Nimble Fingers of Skill Focus: Disable for Rogue skills enabled Paladins.
46:57 <NotMort> wooots
48:04 <NotMort> ddo down in about 1h 13 min
48:04 <NotMort> fkk
48:10 <NotMort> nevermind
49:16 <Avatar> geez maybe I should stick with paladin then instead of going into fighter
50:09 <NotMort> I odnt know
50:12 <NotMort> ddo is very..we
50:16 <NotMort> well about power gaming actually
50:24 <NotMort> and I knwo very little compared to my old ddo buddies :P
51:05 <NotMort> I just knwo what i need to do :P
51:05 <NotMort> my cleric part :P
51:11 <NotMort> I know if I take extra turning my party will kill me :P
51:19 <Avatar> yeah dont take that
51:44 <Avatar> going into another level will give me some much needed skill points 
51:50 <Avatar> another level of rogue*
51:51 <Avatar> and evasion
53:06 <NotMort> btw
53:07 <NotMort> evasion
53:09 <NotMort> wont work
53:11 <NotMort> on heavy armor
53:13 <NotMort> think about it
53:18 <NotMort> ur gonn wear plate right?
53:22 <NotMort> cos your dex is too low
53:24 <NotMort> for anything else
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54:25 <NotMort> Im sorry but I dont really knwo that much about pally builds
54:31 <NotMort> but ddo later in game alot of dungeons have ot pay to play
54:37 <NotMort> like vale I unlocked in thelanis server
54:47 <NotMort> using favour
54:52 <NotMort> but to get favour you need to do dungeons at elite
55:04 <NotMort> which is why I was wanting to push the difficulty as hard as we could handle
58:59 <Avatar> I'm starting to think maybe I should go toughness instead of cleave now
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59:52 <Avatar> brunius should I get cleave
00:00 <Brunius> I don't know, should you?
00:05 <Avatar> would you
00:08 <NotMort> toughness is good
00:11 <NotMort> essential for eveyrone
00:18 <Brunius> I don't know what cleave does
00:21 <Brunius> Toughness is crap man
00:28 <NotMort> its useful later
00:29 <NotMort> believe me
00:30 <NotMort> ..:D
00:31 <Avatar> when is 6:00AM GST-5
00:35 <NotMort> in 1 hr
00:36 <NotMort> :D
00:37 <Avatar> GMT
00:49 <Brunius> Yeah, that's right
00:51 <Avatar> I was kind of looking forward to taking toughness
00:52 <Brunius> IT's 5am now
00:54 <Avatar> er, cleave
00:59 <Avatar> but I'm under the impression it's a bit shit
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05:24 <tristen> GST ~10am melbourne time on any given day
06:04 <NotMort> hrm
06:05 <Brunius> During daylight savings
06:07 <NotMort> cleave isnt htat useful
06:10 <NotMort> I think or not
06:11 <NotMort> dunno
06:14 <NotMort> cant remember my tanking lessons 101
06:17 <Avatar> I went rogue, took toughness
07:37 <tristen> hey avatar any news on the next sesh?
07:43 <NotMort> back
07:49 <NotMort> anwyay ddo will be down nxt hr
07:51 <NotMort> Im off or dinner
17:43 <Mekkis> hey!
17:53 <Mekkis> we've got 12 people here!
18:08 <Mekkis> let's run Year of the Shadow Lodge !
18:42 <Avatar> mort
18:44 <Brunius> Gogogo!
18:47 <Avatar> did you know evasion doesn't work with heavy armour
36:56 <NotMort> what lol
36:58 <NotMort> u seus?
36:58 <NotMort> heheh
37:00 <NotMort> I m back
37:04 <NotMort> I know that I think
37:07 <NotMort> I odnt knwo what I forgot
37:08 <NotMort> autlaly
37:10 <NotMort> not fully
38:28 <Avatar> 2nd level rogue has screwed my character
38:43 <Avatar> I guess I could put another level of rogue into it and get the 2d6 sneak
38:51 <Avatar> but really
38:51 <NotMort> hrmm
38:54 <Avatar> I'm burning too many levels as it is now
38:56 <NotMort> I dont knwo how to ru na tank sadly
39:03 <Avatar> I have no dex
39:15 <NotMort> yawhich means
39:17 <NotMort> ur stuck in fullplate
39:23 <Avatar> and stuck without evasion
39:31 <Avatar> I can't afford to go to light armour without any dex
39:44 * NotMort somehow thinks that your first character you run in ddo just wont be optimal..
39:54 <NotMort> becuase ther are too many things u never knew no matter how you trie ot read up
39:54 <Avatar> this isn't my first character
39:56 <NotMort> belive me I read up alot :D
39:57 <NotMort> hehehe
39:59 <Avatar> it's like my 8th
40:02 <NotMort> but I still ended up..oh lol
40:07 <NotMort> u need to run thorugh the game ot higher levels
40:10 <NotMort> maybe it helps understadning
40:15 <Avatar> my highest char is an 8th level wizard
40:15 <NotMort> I know at low levels invulernbaitly is very good
40:17 <NotMort> hehe
40:20 <NotMort> how was your group experience
40:25 <NotMort> robes of invulernabilty are good
40:26 <Avatar> good
40:28 <NotMort> and later you need deathblock
40:31 <NotMort> ah I get nubs
40:34 <Avatar> mmm I didn't go that high
40:56 <Avatar> paladin was the mistake right from the start
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41:30 <Avatar> I think I can pay to roll back a level
41:34 <NotMort> dont lol
41:38 <NotMort> just rerollhehe
41:47 <Avatar> but I want to give them all my money!!!!
42:03 <NotMort> lol
42:05 <NotMort> I wouldnt hehe
42:11 <NotMort> I dont pay to play ddo
42:14 <NotMort> I just do it easssilllyy
42:17 <NotMort> take ite eeasssy
42:21 <NotMort> with a horrible sense of direction
42:24 <NotMort> but I do knwo what i need ot do
42:27 <NotMort> and as 8 wizard
42:31 <NotMort> didnt u find traps annoying?
42:36 <NotMort> gwylans stand cant be run wihtout rogue
42:38 <Avatar> yes
42:42 <NotMort> at elite it takes a VERY speical rogue
42:45 <NotMort> to disamr thos traps
42:46 <Avatar> the traps at higher levels are NASTY
42:50 <NotMort> but why I never took rogue
42:55 <NotMort> is because my sense of direction is horrible
42:57 <Avatar> I already have a level 4 rogue
42:59 <NotMort> I wont be able to remember wehre the traps are :D
43:03 <Avatar> with a ring of feather fall
43:22 <NotMort> ihad that too
43:26 <NotMort> tahts why I can sort of...
43:32 <NotMort> have bad habits
43:35 <NotMort> running off cliffs
43:37 <NotMort> I had it for 6 levels :P
44:09 <Avatar> I have a level 3 cleric too
44:21 <Avatar> I might abandon the character I'm using
44:30 <Avatar> I mean it is pretty broken
45:32 <Avatar> man, look at this
45:36 <Avatar> I already have a level 4 fighter and a level 3 paladin
45:48 <Avatar> so I've really been wasting my time anyway
45:59 <NotMort> :P
46:07 <NotMort> I will try to do my cleric right this time
46:09 <NotMort> but anwyay even my war cleric
46:12 <NotMort> was kinda fun in her own way :D
50:07 <Avatar> mmm this paladin is built 100x better
50:18 <Avatar> except for some reason I took rapid reload
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02:41 <Mekkis> NotMort, how do you find time to play DDO but never turn up for games?
02:53 <NotMort> its al ong sotry
03:05 <Mekkis> I've got time to listen
03:38 <NotMort> otld you pin pm
03:57 <NotMort> just told you
04:03 <Brunius> pm me too?
04:06 <NotMort> so now Im in a transition phase
04:10 <NotMort> URM GUYS
04:12 <Mekkis> I didn't receive it
04:12 <NotMort> IM OUT OF A JOB
04:13 <NotMort> fk it
04:14 <NotMort> k its said
04:18 <NotMort> I dont have A JOB NOW
04:19 <NotMort> GEDDIT?
04:21 <NotMort> k
04:25 <Mekkis> nor does Avatar?
04:25 <NotMort> outbuurst over :P
04:28 <NotMort> yeah
04:32 <Brunius> You've descended to Avatar and Spaceshot's level
04:33 <NotMort> but Im pretty young
04:39 <Mekkis> and?
04:41 <NotMort> and should not be sitting
04:41 <NotMort> at home
04:43 <NotMort> playing DDO
04:45 <Mekkis> playing DDO?
04:49 <NotMort> I should be gainfully employed
04:51 <Brunius> DM PFS instead?
04:52 <NotMort> yeah
04:54 <NotMort> lol
04:57 <NotMort> NO YOU NUBS
05:03 <NotMort> I shouldnt even be free to idle around onirc :P
05:09 <NotMort> I shouold be out there working for a living
05:18 <NotMort> but anwyay yeah. so I should be workign and Im on the find the job phase
05:22 <NotMort> so after I send out my resumes and stuff
05:24 <Mekkis> well... you do realise that we mainly run games on weekends?
05:26 <NotMort> I urm entertainmyself
05:28 <NotMort> palying ddo
05:30 <Brunius> It's alright Mort - I don't have a job either :P
05:31 <NotMort> the problem with weekends
05:33 <NotMort> actually
05:38 <NotMort> is that my parents will actch me at home
05:40 <NotMort> sitting at a comp
05:43 <NotMort> for 5 hrs straigth
05:47 <Brunius> net cafe?
05:49 <NotMort> oits only NOW that you see me playing ddo right?
05:53 <NotMort> it is $ 2 per hr
05:59 <Mekkis> get a laptop and go to the Botanic Gardens
05:59 <NotMort> whada waste of monehs
06:03 <Mekkis> that's what I do
06:05 <NotMort> acutally Id get a laptop
06:07 <NotMort> and go to the library
06:09 <NotMort> lol
06:18 <NotMort> not to mention in utopia, and hte utopian battlefields
06:22 <NotMort> acutally the utopian battlefields
06:24 <NotMort> I run a kingdom there
06:32 <NotMort> which means yes I m used ot yelling out orders
06:39 <Mekkis> great
06:43 <NotMort> come war, I sit at the comp and yell out how to fk people up in rapid successsion :P
06:47 <NotMort> and geenrally live on 4 hrs sleep..
06:49 <Mekkis> we could use some more dedicated roleplayers
06:53 <NotMort> and genrally afk somewhere else :P
07:09 <NotMort> Im sure avatar sort of noticed :P
07:09 <Brunius> Avatar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJbY4ixm_ZM&feature=share
07:19 <Brunius> This game sounds fun, Mort
08:17 <NotMort> team fotress is fps
08:18 <Brunius> What is it called?
08:20 <NotMort> reflexes too slow for it
08:23 <Brunius> TF2 is crap bro
08:26 <NotMort> my reflexes
08:43 <Brunius> Ever since it went F2P it's been crap
08:46 <Brunius> It was on a steady decline before
10:44 <Mekkis> I prefer TF1
10:47 <Avatar> Brunius: bit lame
10:52 <Mekkis> TFC I think it's called
10:56 <Avatar> yeah
10:58 <Avatar> how can you prefer 1
11:13 <Mekkis> but really, levelling mechanics DO NOT BELONG in FPS games
11:27 <NotMort> ya
11:29 <Avatar> getting new weapons isn't a levelling mechanic
11:41 <Mekkis> yes it is
11:47 <Avatar> no it's not
11:51 <Mekkis> it puts long-time players at an advantage
12:11 <Avatar> not in tf2
12:12 <Avatar> it is like that in bf3
12:28 <Ballig> it does put long-time players at an advtange
12:33 <Ballig> you buy TF2 right now, today
12:43 <Ballig> you'll be playing against people with all sorts of different, better weapons that you don't have
12:44 <Avatar> I've played when I don't have my loadout and others do
12:47 <Ballig> that's an advantage for them
12:50 <Avatar> it's not
12:54 <Avatar> the weapons are different, not better
12:57 <Ballig> do you have the weapons if you buy the game today?
12:59 <Ballig> they ARE better
13:02 <Avatar> they are not 
13:03 <Ballig> one of them heals you man
13:04 <Ballig> one of them heals you
13:09 <Avatar> what
13:14 <Avatar> the default medigun heals you
13:18 <Ballig> not that
13:29 <Ballig> don't heavies get a sandwich?
13:39 <Avatar> yeah but they sacrifice a gun for that
13:45 <Ballig> they still get it
13:47 <Ballig> that's an advantage
13:55 <Avatar> and they are disadvantaged without the gun
14:01 <Ballig> they aren't weaponless
14:08 <Ballig> they just don't have a secondary gun
14:08 <Ballig> that a brand new player wouldn't use anyway
14:09 <Avatar> they are one-gun-less
14:11 <Ballig> bam, advantage long-time player
14:26 <Avatar> you're being nitpicky
14:35 <Ballig> and that's just the one example I can come up with off the top of my head
14:36 <Avatar> you could just as easily say the new player wouldn't use the sandvich
14:43 <Mekkis> why shouldn't a new player have access to everything the long-time player has access to?
15:02 <Avatar> why shouldn't every new player just have every achievement unlocked
15:10 <Mekkis> good question
15:16 <Mekkis> I don't see any reason
15:18 <Avatar> it's not a good question at all
15:20 <Avatar> it's part of the game
15:23 <Ballig> achievements have no in-game benefit
15:31 <Ballig> or effect at all
15:31 <Avatar> yes they do
15:34 <Ballig> (and if they do, that's another problem)
15:34 <Mekkis> achievements SHOULD have no in-game benefit
15:35 <Avatar> they are incentive
15:45 <Ballig> that's not an in-game benefit or effect
15:54 <Avatar> they shouldn't unlock guns, I'll give you that
16:05 <Ballig> that's basically the system that TF2 uses
16:12 <Ballig> except instead of achievements it's "random time logged in"
16:15 <Ballig> (last I knew)
16:25 <Avatar> random time is better than achievement unlocking
16:39 <Ballig> neither system belongs in an FPS
16:40 <Avatar> it's not a perfect solution either though
16:47 <Mekkis> the achievement unlocking is simply "could be bothered finding enough people to grind with"
16:52 <Ballig> if I sign into a brand new FPS I've never played before, I should be able to play on my own merits
16:57 <Ballig> not on the basis that someone else has a greater selection of weaponry to use against me
17:02 <Avatar> you would just prefer to have all the guns unlocked immediately
17:02 <Ballig> whether or not you believe they are individually better or worse
17:02 <Mekkis> Avatar, for there to be a solution, there needs to be a problem
17:21 <Avatar> everyone acknowledges the problem with the item drops
17:27 <Ballig> I would prefer there to be an even playing field
17:37 <Mekkis> what do you mean, "problem with item drops"
17:43 <Mekkis> the whole thing's foreign to me
17:50 <Avatar> well people still idle on servers to get weapons
17:54 <Avatar> idle servers shouldn't really exist
18:08 <Avatar> but it's better than having achievement servers where people cheat to get their achievements solely to unlock guns
18:14 <Mekkis> if you're a long-time player, you should be better than a new player because you've got better at playing
18:22 <Ballig> they do that because they don't feel the playing field is even if they don't
18:27 <Ballig> the problem is that these excess weapons exist
18:28 <Ballig> they shouldn't
18:32 <Avatar> they do that because they want the guns
18:32 <Ballig> this isn't the nintendo 64
18:33 <Mekkis> not because the game thinks that you should be 
18:46 <Avatar> I've idled, and it wasn't because I didn't feel the playing field was uneven
19:08 <Avatar> the crafting system is part of the solution to getting guns you want
19:20 <Ballig> you knowingly let a game manipulate you like that?
19:28 <Avatar> what do you mean
19:48 <Ballig> you have this desire of "I want those guns", so you are idling - /not playing/ - a game to get them
19:51 <Avatar> having less weapons would not make for a better game
19:59 <Ballig> you are allowing the game to manipulate you by offering you something and then telling you that you have to be signed in randomly to get it
20:05 <Ballig> and you are like "I want that! I don't care how good it is! I just want it!"
20:11 <Ballig> and you willingly subject yourself to that kind of manipulation
20:26 <Avatar> I think that's a pretty sour way to put it
20:40 <Avatar> you allow a game to manipulate you by loading it up and playing it
20:45 <Ballig> that's pretty much how they see it
21:02 <Ballig> if a shopping centre told you that you could randomly receive an otherwise-worthless trinket by being in their store, randomly, would you say "I want that! I dont' care if it's useless! I just want it!"
21:06 <Ballig> and then sit around at their store all day?
21:08 <Avatar> you allow them to manipulate you by offering you a game on their gaming platform and then telling you you have to play it to actually get your money's worth
21:22 <Ballig> a game "manipulating" you by giving you good gameplay, good replay, and a fun time is one thing
21:34 <Ballig> a game manipulating you into wanting something random and possibly useless and you get it by not even playing but just idling
21:35 <Ballig> that is ridiculous
21:45 <Avatar> you are putting into the most negative light possible
21:51 <Avatar> that's obviously not how it is if people are happy to do it
22:03 <Ballig> how do you think the developers look at it?
22:05 <Mekkis> are they really "happy to do it"
22:09 <Ballig> they know exactly what they're doing
22:31 <Avatar> well they'd rather a better way obviously
22:34 <Ballig> cows happily walk into a slaughterhouse too
22:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, a better way to achieve what?
22:57 <Mekkis> what is their GOAL?
24:09 <Ballig> before some guy says "praise allah" in hebrew and then slits their throat
24:09 <Avatar> it's hardly comparable to a slaughterhouse
24:09 <Ballig> and someone else jabs an electrode in their neck to make sure they're dead
24:09 <Avatar> getting new guns
24:09 <Ballig> (that's obviously a slaughterhouse that can sell its meat to a halaal butcher)
24:09 <Ballig> point is that just because people don't seem to mind, or seem happy to do, something doesn't mean it's a good thing
24:09 <Ballig> or that it's benign in any way
24:30 <Mekkis> I mean, what is the Developer's GOAL?
24:44 <Mekkis> <Avatar> well they'd rather a better way obviously
24:50 <Mekkis> or was that referring to the players?
25:50 <Ballig> the developers don't actualy want you to idle for these guns, they want you to play the game for them
26:02 <Ballig> basically their intention is to make you play the game solely for these new trinkets
26:14 <Ballig> and you know what it's called when you play a game, or an aspect of a game, simply for the goal and not for the fun of playing the game itself?
26:16 <Ballig> they call that grinding
26:27 <Mekkis> but their goal is for you to play their game
26:44 <Ballig> all those hours you killed things in WoW to gain a level, not because you enjoyed killing those things but because you wanted that level - that's grinding, and it's exactly what the developers want you to do to get these guns
27:05 <Mekkis> (it's more what the publisher wants, but yeah...)
27:42 <Ballig> I think once the game has been released and it's just a matter of content changes to keep people interested, it's less about the publisher and more about the developer
27:53 <Ballig> the publisher wants you to buy the game, the developer wants you to play it
29:18 <Mekkis> the publisher still wants other people to buy the game
31:09 <Ballig> anyway, I'm off to bed. I've had this exact argument with Avatar before, he never listens
31:22 <Ballig> although I think the last two times it was about TF2 hats and then achievements
31:52 <Ballig> but they all come down to the same thing: being manipulated into playing the game for a (possibly worthless) incentive rather than for the enjoyment of the game, but somehow being okay with that
32:53 <Spaceshot> Avatar: what class did you end up taking?
33:29 <Mekkis> looks like my T61 hit three digits today
34:46 <Avatar> rogue, and it screwed me
34:55 <Avatar> I didn't realise evasion doesn't work with heavy armour
35:16 <Spaceshot> keep telling you man, you should of rerolled
35:26 <Avatar> I will use one of my many other characters
35:32 <Avatar> which include, get this, a level 3 paladin
35:53 <Spaceshot> many other characters? so you paid for slots?
36:00 <Avatar> I have several accounts
36:12 <Spaceshot> hahahaha
36:27 <Avatar> I've got a 8th wizard, a 4th rogue, a 4th fighter, a 3rd cleric, a 3rd paladin
36:33 <Avatar> and this disaster of a character I'm creating now
36:53 <Spaceshot> heh
37:04 <Avatar> I think the rogue is 4th
37:14 <Spaceshot> go check
37:19 <Avatar> I would rather redo the huge quests on those characters than play through this new one
37:21 <Mekkis> Avatar, maybe we should be playing more 3.5e :)
37:24 <Avatar> I can't, it's down for maintenance
37:28 <Avatar> Mekkis: pass
37:32 <Mekkis> why not?
37:36 <Mekkis> what's wrong with it?
37:39 <Mekkis> it's "mature"
37:52 <Avatar> evasion is like that in pathfinder I think
37:53 <Avatar> why?
37:59 <Avatar> pathfinder is mature
38:07 <Mekkis> no it isn't
38:08 <Spaceshot> why not both?
38:18 <Mekkis> there are basic questions that still haven't been answered
38:20 <Avatar> you can't play two games at the same time
38:24 <Avatar> it's not kosher
38:31 <Mekkis> we did for a long time
38:34 <Mekkis> LSK + PFS
38:40 <Spaceshot> Avatar: there are rules to allow 3.5 stuff in pathfinder
38:47 <Mekkis> that too
38:50 <Avatar> no those were at separate times
39:00 <Avatar> I don't want to use 3.5 stuff in pathfinder !
39:01 <Spaceshot> I'd prefer 3.5 stuff in pathfinder
39:03 <Mekkis> hell, half of the scenarios I DMed recently were 3.5 stuff
39:08 <Spaceshot> have people stop bitching about lack of PrC
39:15 <Spaceshot> XD
39:21 <Spaceshot> PFS was around before PF
39:22 <Avatar> who's bitching about lack of PrC
39:33 <Spaceshot> me XD
39:38 <Avatar> yeah except you
39:42 <Avatar> you bitch about everything that can't be changed
39:45 <Spaceshot> not sure anyone else cares about PF outside of PFS
39:59 <Avatar> I think some do
40:01 <Mekkis> given that I'm playing in two non-PFS pathfinder campaigns, I do
40:03 <Avatar> but PFS is pretty damn appealing
40:08 <Mekkis> but my DM's very liberal
40:11 <Avatar> yeah there you go
40:16 <Avatar> one in this very room
40:48 <Mekkis> ls
42:01 <Spaceshot> yea, you've probably been with your DM for ages
42:01 <Avatar> EM was good
42:01 <Spaceshot> EM was good
42:01 <Spaceshot> was railroaded like fuck
42:01 <Avatar> then why did you leave !!!!!!!
42:01 <Spaceshot> but still in its own context, good
42:01 <Avatar> I don't mind railroad
42:01 <Spaceshot> it was played on weekends, I didn't have weekend time
42:01 <Spaceshot> and until melbourne, don't have good weekend time
42:01 <Avatar> I think railroad hate is a bit lame
42:01 <Avatar> open ended worlds are nice
42:01 <Avatar> but to hate railroad is a bit off
42:01 <Spaceshot> I prefer my choices mattering
42:01 <Avatar> your choices always matter
42:01 <Spaceshot> if the group is unsure what to do, and is spending half the session deciding/arguing about the next destination, sure plop down some tracks
42:40 <Spaceshot> Avatar: more than my choice of do I cast spell A or spell B at target A
43:23 <Spaceshot> it also comes down to player aids, and how influential some players are with said aids
43:28 <Avatar> even in a regular campaign you've got a mission to complete
43:51 <Avatar> if you're trailing off to do something completely random, railroad is welcome
44:10 <Spaceshot> I had a guy at my IRL table (still plays) get a scralling about a keep, and was intent on going there and there only
44:21 <Mekkis> how was it railroading?
44:21 <Spaceshot> I asked him if it said to the kobold camp would you go there instead he said "yep"
44:41 <Spaceshot> player aids can = train tickets
45:08 <Mekkis> you can't really say that "someone gives you a mission" = railroading
45:51 <Brunius> TFC was great
45:51 <Spaceshot> Avatar: you don't always have a mission
45:51 <Spaceshot> story driven campaigns give you a mission
45:51 <Avatar> what else are we talking about
46:09 <Spaceshot> open world/sandbox games you might take a mission, but the campaign's completion isn't dependant on finishing any of those taken missions
46:16 <Spaceshot> since there really shouldn't be an end in those styles
46:31 <Brunius> I don't like open world games
46:35 <Avatar> but we're not talking about open world/sandbox, we're talking about railroad being okay
46:36 <Spaceshot> Brunius: you don't like mindcraft?
46:41 <Mekkis> Spaceshot was claiming that because I decided to start the characters off getting assigned a mission that I was "railroading" them
46:49 <Brunius> Minecraft is OK when I play with friends, because I set my own goals
46:56 <Brunius> eg - get more diamonds than Avatar
47:00 <Brunius> (Which isn't hard)
47:01 <Avatar> yeah that's not hard
47:03 <Spaceshot> I don't think screwing over the others is a good goal :P
47:13 <Brunius> But stuff like Skyrim
47:15 <Brunius> I just don't get
47:16 <Spaceshot> Brunius: find an attention span :P
47:22 <Spaceshot> Skyrim is a good example
47:28 <Mekkis> (if that wasn't it, Spaceshot, what was it in EM that was railroading?)
47:36 <Spaceshot> except for the story mission, I hate it
47:42 <Mekkis> (the fact that I insisted that your characters MADE SENSE in the setting?)
47:48 <Spaceshot> I only do it to get special powerups/gear
48:35 <Avatar> I don't think you can call railroad after a single session really
48:42 <Avatar> you barely know what's going on
48:54 <Spaceshot> no mekkis you hit it on the head
49:05 <Mekkis> which one?
49:14 <Spaceshot> if we didn't want to go on the boat, we wouldn't be part of the campaign
49:23 <Spaceshot> we'd be used as slaves or whatever
49:26 <Mekkis> how do you know that?
49:30 <Spaceshot> maybe not boat
49:36 <Mekkis> that was never mentioned or implied
49:40 <Spaceshot> but if we didn't care about protecting the waters, or about that town
50:02 <Mekkis> the campaign wasn't about protecting the waters or the town
50:17 <Spaceshot> what was it about then?
50:17 <Mekkis> neither was the mission
50:55 <Mekkis> it was about preventing anyone from seeing the large amounts of undead and artillery that were being assembled to attack Mulsantir
51:09 <Brunius> Obscuring Mist?
51:22 <Spaceshot> what if we didn't care about attacking mulsantir, or prevention of sight?
51:56 <Mekkis> you had numerous personal reasons. You were being well paid
52:17 <Spaceshot> what if I didn't care about coin?
52:43 <Spaceshot> I don't believe we made our own reasons did we?
52:45 <Brunius> what if...what if...
52:55 <Spaceshot> Brunius: yes, what if
53:00 <Mekkis> I had contingencies. You didn't require me to invoke them
53:06 <Spaceshot> exactly
53:22 <Mekkis> if your characters HAD done something like that, then I'd have brought them up
53:23 <Spaceshot> you were hard set on us doing the mission one way or another
53:29 <Mekkis> what?
53:45 <Mekkis> that's not what I meant
54:02 <Spaceshot> then explain yourself
54:14 <Spaceshot> if we didn't wish to do the mission, nor be in any part of it
54:23 <Spaceshot> what would of happened to our character?
55:27 <Mekkis> I don't feel that I should answer that, in case I run the campaign again.
55:52 <Spaceshot> would you consider it railroading though?
56:08 <Mekkis> assigning players a mission?
56:09 <Mekkis> no
56:20 <Mekkis> giving them incentives to complete the mission?
56:21 <Mekkis> no
56:33 <Spaceshot> allowing us to not comply and not do the mission?
56:53 <Mekkis> if you didn't want to the mission, you wouldn't be forced to
57:44 <Spaceshot> what if 1 out of the 6 didn't want to do the mission?
57:52 <Spaceshot> but the other 5 didn't care less and just wanted action?
58:11 <Mekkis> what do you mean 'didn't care less'?
58:26 <Mekkis> do you mean 'had in-character reasons to do the mission'?
58:38 <Spaceshot> don't care how you justify it
58:49 <Mekkis> allow me to pose you a question. If you were DMing a group of six players, and one player decided to wanted to walk away from the party and start doing something completely different, what would you do?
58:52 <Spaceshot> they had in character reason, they just wanted some action, they didn't care to think of alternatives
59:19 <Spaceshot> players I know or randoms?
59:38 <Mekkis> should it make a difference?
59:51 <Spaceshot> could, but lets say it wouldn't to make this easier
59:56 <Spaceshot> I'd probably let him
00:14 <Mekkis> but yes
00:16 <Spaceshot> then again it rarely happens due to peer pressure, and the risk of just being told to fuck off
00:30 <Spaceshot> (which I've had once in a very similar situation)
00:42 <Mekkis> had you decided to do something different, I'd have taken your character aside, run some one-on-one sessions, and seen what would happen.
00:53 <Mekkis> that's one thing that is more possible in an online medium
01:08 <Spaceshot> true, it is easier
01:38 <Mekkis> and I have done it in the past
01:42 <Mekkis> in ERNG, if you recall
02:01 <Brunius> Was Spaceshot around for ERNG?
02:07 <Mekkis> not sure
02:12 <Mekkis> he didn't play in it
02:14 <Brunius> I don't think he was
02:15 <Spaceshot> I've had a DM say you have all come for the arena tournament, and have had a nice nights rest, been put into random groups (the party was 1 group of randoms) and are going to the arena as I speak
02:48 <Spaceshot> I then asked "What if I don't want to participate in the arena tournament?" she then said "Do you want to be in the game?"
02:50 <Spaceshot> not the cleanest way
03:03 <Avatar> it's a good question
03:08 <Avatar> I mean if that's what the game is
03:11 <Avatar> and you don't want to be there
03:14 <Avatar> what do you think you're saying
03:23 <Spaceshot> but in both instances
03:34 <Spaceshot> I had no idea what he campaign was about
03:39 <Spaceshot> with mekkis I knew where
03:48 <Spaceshot> so I could make a character devoted to that goal
03:53 <Avatar> wasn't that the beginning of the campaign
03:53 <Mekkis> and you did
04:04 <Avatar> you have to start where the DM slots you
04:26 <Spaceshot> if you were a naturing druid who each day communes with trees
04:31 <Mekkis> and I'm pretty sure that Spaceshot, your character was really in a position to benefit to be favoured by the Zulkir of Necromancy... 
04:44 <Spaceshot> and was plotted underground doing a commission for drow
04:52 <Spaceshot> you wouldn't be the happiest
05:09 <Mekkis> (benefit from being favoured by the Zulkir of Necromancy...)*
05:45 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: My character's personal incentive/goal was to slay (or find dead, either one) the biggest and most dangeous monster there is, and turn it into a undead creation
06:13 <Avatar> and you didn't think that could happen in an arena
06:16 <Mekkis> more to the point, Spaceshot, one way I avoid railroading is by asking players what their character's goals and motivations ARE
06:25 <Spaceshot> I don't believe a few pirates, and a giant octopus (even though that was funny) was the target
06:51 <Spaceshot> I believe I did tell you, and you could already guess by knowing my character, and it's eventual goal
07:23 <Mekkis> and are you saying that your character would not have benefitted from having contacts at the top of the chain he was trying to climb?
08:18 <Isendre> was the entire game arena based, or was it simply a convenient way to start the players with a common interest without dictating elements of character creation to create a party? - sorry new here
08:23 <Spaceshot> I did ask if I could of found a huge monster along my travels from the underdark to where ever we were (forgot exactly, near the thay)
09:19 <Spaceshot> Isendre: try to forget that, that was just a past experience with similar effect. It was just to get characters together, and to give us like 3 levels each (don't know why we didn't start at 4th)
09:47 <Spaceshot> Isendre: what we're talking about now was EM, mekkis had us get on a boat to prevent snoopy eyes from seeing the eventual armada
10:28 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: and you said you can only get what's in the book (1hd skeleton and/or 1hd zombie, I think you did allow zombie/skeleton entry templates though)
11:19 <Mekkis> I did: I find that working out how powerful a PC is is a good idea, before being more permissive with that sort of thing
11:19 <NotMort> sorry if I uh
11:24 <NotMort> dont really talk philosophy :P
11:59 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: that is my power, I'm a bit useless (except the rod of reach) without a tank
12:24 <Spaceshot> it's like if a druid had to tame something that wasn't a every day animal (wolf, big cat, boar)
13:17 <Mekkis> I don't understand what you're getting it
13:21 <Mekkis> getting at*
13:51 <Spaceshot> [10:41.19] <Mekkis> I did: I find that working out how powerful a PC is is a good idea, before being more permissivewith that sort of thing
13:56 <Spaceshot> was just making an analogy
14:38 <Mekkis> umm... you gave me TWO SESSIONS to gauge that....
15:00 <Mekkis> I want to see the characters in action, not just on paper
15:12 <Spaceshot> what I'm saying, is that if you only let a druid get a wolf/big cat/boar at level 5
15:25 <Spaceshot> because you wanted to gauge his power
15:36 <Mekkis> ummm
15:40 <Spaceshot> before allowing lets say, Roc, Bear, Dire (blah)
15:54 <Mekkis> where does it say that a cleric has an undead companion at 5th level?
16:11 <Mekkis> I must have overlooked it
16:15 <Mekkis> sorry about that
16:23 <Spaceshot> not a companion
16:48 <Spaceshot> but if my character is all based on having undead with him and all that (as in feats, class abilities and such)
17:12 <Spaceshot> and is only allowed really shitty undead that would be easily oneshot by the targets (who would then only turn into oneshot undead)
17:18 <Spaceshot> the character becomes weak
17:19 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
17:30 <Mekkis> then I can work out how to fix that
18:20 <Mekkis> I'm sorry, but I generally find that it's easier on the players to make an underpowered character more powerful than it is to make an overpower character less powerful
18:23 <Spaceshot> buy giving him a huge undead that he would of probably found in his travels (you don't start as level 5)
18:41 <Spaceshot> the character without an undead monstrosity is underpowered
18:53 <NotMort> hrm focus
18:57 <Mekkis> and I find that - all in all - the book is a good, balanced starting point
19:07 <Spaceshot> or at the very least a support character with his only real damaging ability is an ability that also kills allies
20:57 <Mekkis> and please, learn that it's "would have", "could have", "should have", "might have" rather than "would of", "could of", "should of", "might of".
21:28 <Avatar> lolllll
21:53 <Mekkis> I make no apologies for deciding not to let your character start with something that's not prescribed anywhere.
21:58 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: you can clearly make out what I mean, does it matter how it's written?
23:12 <Mekkis> yes, it does matter how it's written. That sort of thing causes high stress levels and headaches. There have been numerous studies conducted on this topic.
23:45 <Spaceshot> I don't really care about your lawyering
24:33 <Mekkis> but really, what you're getting at is that in your belief, your character needed something to make him of the power level that you thought he needed to be.
25:00 <Spaceshot> you don't point out to a possibly (haven't had it tested, hadn't been in a life or death situation or a job based situation needing it yet) dyslexic that they can't spell
25:17 <Spaceshot> you also don't tell a metally retarded person they're retarded
25:34 <Isendre> you don't use the word retarded either
25:45 <Mekkis> I tell a lousy speller that they should learn how to spell, or use a spellcheck.
26:08 <Spaceshot> Isendre: pollitically correct me then XD
26:13 <Mekkis> I tell someone with poor grammar that they should improve their grammar.
26:38 <Isendre> I was told we aren't to use politically correct anymore, because of the negative associations
26:50 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: sorry asians have to be correct at everything, spelling, gramma, dictatorship... owait...
27:14 <Spaceshot> I know, blah blah blah
27:14 <Mekkis> thanks, but it's more because I'm an engineer, not because I'm an asian
27:20 <Spaceshot> XD
27:28 <Brunius> Mekkis is an engineer?
27:37 <Spaceshot> that's what he calls himself
27:44 <Mekkis> that's correct Brunius 
27:46 <Spaceshot> software engineers are proper engineers though
27:55 <Brunius> Huh
27:59 <Mekkis> "proper" engineers?
27:59 <Spaceshot> he'll tell you otherwise
28:08 <Brunius> Maybe I should steer away from the engineering profession
28:11 <Mekkis> I respect software engineers
28:13 <Mekkis> a lot
28:13 <Spaceshot> and speel about it
28:28 <Spaceshot> oh I do to, I respect their ability, not their name
28:37 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
29:02 <Avatar> how long is that dumb maintenance going to last
29:03 <Spaceshot> the same reason why I don't call people who go to torrents and take software they haven't but should HAVE paid for pirates
29:21 <Spaceshot> DDO?
30:38 <Brunius> The DDO Game Servers and http://myaccount.turbine.com will be offline for maintenance on Monday, January 9th from 6:00 AM to 10:00 Eastern (-5 GMT).
30:43 <Brunius> From Google
30:51 <Brunius> So until 2am
30:54 <Avatar> bit shit
31:03 <Brunius> That's a pretty average maintenance
31:10 <Mekkis> hey
31:11 <Avatar> maintenance sucks!
31:15 <Spaceshot> the label engineer in many profession titles that I don't think are proper engineers is because they make stuff
31:23 <Spaceshot> not saying it isn't stuff that makes them loads a year
31:26 <Mekkis> better scheduled maintenance than the other type
31:27 <Brunius> I've seen companies (cough nexon cough) take days to do maintenance with little result
31:28 <Spaceshot> but it's still making stuff
31:43 <Spaceshot> heh
31:47 <Mekkis> do you know the difference between a programmer and a software engineer?
31:52 <NotMort> I knew already
31:57 <Mekkis> (fyi, I'm actually a microelectonic engineer)
32:00 <Spaceshot> we've been through this before, I don't really want to do it again
32:40 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: that's what I'd call a proper engineer, if it is microlectronics, not programming said microelectronics, or getting someone else to do it
33:10 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, whatever you do, PLEASE don't get a job in HR or management.
33:19 <Spaceshot> haha
33:30 <Spaceshot> I thought I was the right type of dick to be management
33:40 <Spaceshot> XD
33:45 <Brunius> Not really
33:50 <Brunius> Turnover would be too high
33:55 <Mekkis> you have as much knowledge of engineering as a bad manager would
34:02 <Avatar> do you think I could/should get a job in HR or management
34:10 <Isendre> what about MacD's management, they expect the high turnover anyway
34:22 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: then explain yourself
34:26 <Spaceshot> you clearly want to anyway
34:32 <Brunius> You're a telemarketer Avatar
34:32 <Avatar> I don't think I will work for McD's
34:42 <Avatar> I'm not a telemarketer
35:06 <Mekkis> not really, as you've said earlier, "we've been through this before, I don't really want to do it again"
35:42 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: I'm surprised you aren't a highly paid prosecution lawyer
35:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think that you could do it
36:00 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I've considered studying law...
37:16 <Spaceshot> you use a lot of the bullshit (makes sence, but is still bullshit) that lawyers do
37:19 <Spaceshot> use*
37:31 <Brunius> I've been told many times I should be a lawyer
37:47 <Spaceshot> I don't think rules lawyer is the same field
38:04 <Mekkis> the last time I was in a courtroom, the lawyers weren't using the sort of language I use
38:16 <Mekkis> the time before that... 
38:22 <Mekkis> hmmm...
38:54 <Mekkis> they did seem to try and bullshit us. I like to think I saw through it
39:59 <Spaceshot> haha
40:26 <Mekkis> I'm sure that if you tell anyone that they were bullshitted, they like to think they saw through it
40:47 <Spaceshot> usually
41:09 <Mekkis> regardless, the Jury's verdict was Not Guilty
42:45 <Avatar> I got asked to do jury duty once and got work to allow me to decline it
42:52 <Avatar> I'm kind of wishing I didn't
42:52 <Spaceshot> Brunius: http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-to-paint-space-wolves-armour.html is so not space wolf colour
43:30 <Mekkis> I wanted to get a job over a uni break, but got asked to do jury duty, and couldn't say now
43:32 <Mekkis> no*
43:45 <Spaceshot> it's a job
43:49 <Spaceshot> a very very low paying job
43:51 <Spaceshot> but a job :P
43:52 <Mekkis> jury duty?
44:16 <Mekkis> I'd disagree. It's a civil duty
44:21 <Spaceshot> SA is $20 a day
44:21 <Avatar> I just wanted the experience of it
44:21 <Isendre> as someone looking into apprenticeships jury duty sounds enticing
44:21 <Avatar> wow, $20 a day
44:30 <Mekkis> I got $33!
44:47 <Mekkis> oh, and $100 a day for the three days of the trial
45:04 <Mekkis> AND they refunded my bus tickets!
45:04 <Avatar> that's disgusting
45:04 <Spaceshot> if you can prove you lost money buy not working (when you were supposed to) they can give you a rebate
45:17 <Spaceshot> yea not sure what the trial days were for dad
45:19 <Mekkis> of course I couldn't prove that
45:37 <Mekkis> (many employers offer juror's leave)
45:47 <Spaceshot> mmm
46:09 <Mekkis> I was planning on getting a job...
47:01 <Mekkis> I didn't have one
47:42 <NotMort> urgh
57:21 <Isendre> Avatar: it says as a stupid newb to ask you for an account, do I do that, or wait til I get a game first
58:02 <Mekkis> you should to that first
58:11 <Mekkis> hard to play a game without an account
59:06 <Isendre> true, but if it is a decent amount of work, Avatar might prefer me to wait, to confirm I will actually use it
02:00 <Avatar> what
02:06 <Avatar> no just create your character
02:13 <Avatar> if you have a name, I'll set you up with an account
02:23 <Avatar> then you can upload your sheet
02:31 <Avatar> you can work out when you'll play later
02:46 <Avatar> you in melbourne/sydney?
03:02 <Isendre> Sydney
03:08 <Avatar> good enough for me
03:17 <Avatar> not quite as good as melbourne, but still good
03:33 <Avatar> you can play in any game that's marked as a new game in the topic
03:41 <Avatar> you just have to show up, and if possible, confirm your attendance in advance
04:03 <Avatar> what's your availability like
04:06 <Avatar> usually
04:17 <Isendre> fantastic at the moment, until uni comes back
05:42 <Avatar> as in completely always-available fantastic?
06:20 <Isendre> indeed, so as long as I have enough warning, I wont plan a beach trip for gaming time :)
06:29 <Avatar> love your work
06:38 <Avatar> yell out what your character name is as soon as you have one
07:00 <Mekkis> Thursday morning
07:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, could you update the topic
07:18 <Avatar> with what
07:23 <Avatar> I asked you earlier and you didn't say anything
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10:16 <Isendre> sure will tell you when I come up with something :)
11:22 <Mekkis> Avatar, Thursday morning, I'll DM something starting from 10am your time
11:35 <Mekkis> actually, make it 10:30; we have a new player
11:44 <Avatar> guaranteed eh
11:51 <Avatar> what's going on here
11:56 <Avatar> is this THE NEW MEKKIS ?
12:10 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Thurs 11am (new game, Mekkis) / Sat 10am (new game: Avatar, Mekkis or Ballig) | CoTE: Sun 10am || AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net/
12:39 <Brunius> 10am on Thursday, level 1-2?
13:01 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Thurs 10.30am (new game, Mekkis) / Sat 10am (new game: Avatar, Mekkis or Ballig) | CoTE: Sun 10am || AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net/
13:02 <NotMort> oooie
13:08 * NotMort fwaps her tail hapily
13:13 <Avatar> seems like we have quite a few potentials for thursday
13:25 <Brunius> Might have to run two tables!
13:31 <Avatar> tristen, thelen, mort, Isendre, me
13:32 <Avatar> brunius?
13:38 <Brunius> Yeah, I'll be there
13:43 <Avatar> 6 player table !
13:46 <Avatar> it's unheard of
13:50 <Avatar> let's uptier
13:56 <Brunius> We played a 7 for silent tide
13:56 <snypt> tithursday during the day dont any of you have jobs?
13:56 <Avatar> on our level 1 characters
14:01 <snypt> thursday**
14:02 <Avatar> yeah but that was at a con
14:03 <Brunius> Nope
14:07 <Avatar> nope
14:18 <Brunius> I cbf figuring out my resume
14:21 <Brunius> Night guys
14:24 <snypt> lol ur all bums
14:26 <Isendre> yes, and I'm a student, so full points? 
14:34 <Brunius> I, too, am a student!
16:55 <Mekkis> !idealscenario gm=10339 player=22871,22870 minlevel=1 maxlevel=2
17:26 <Mekkis> I'll run 2-11 :The Penumbral Accords
18:24 <Avatar> is there a level requirement
18:34 <Mekkis> 1-2 4-5
18:41 <Mekkis> might be 1-2 3-4 6-7
18:49 <Avatar> can you check
18:54 <Avatar> 3-4 is a real possibility here
18:55 <Mekkis> does it matter?
18:58 <Avatar> 4-5 not so much
18:59 <Mekkis> oh...
20:14 <Mekkis> 1-2 4-5
20:23 <Avatar> mmk
20:28 <Avatar> 1-2 then I think
20:43 <Avatar> Isendre: did you decide on a class
20:47 <Mekkis> if you bring Buck and Kaleb
20:49 <Mekkis> hmm
21:11 <Avatar> I don't know if it's appropriate to bring level 5 characters into a game with level 1's
21:30 <Avatar> unless they particularly want to do that
21:37 <Mekkis> 4+4+3(tristen)+1+1+1
21:40 <Mekkis> hmmm
22:15 <Mekkis> 16/6 = 2.6667
22:26 <Mekkis> correct, no uptiering happening now
22:27 <Avatar> I don't think that's right
22:30 <Avatar> who is the 3rd level 1er
22:49 <Avatar> thelen's level 2
22:49 <Mekkis> tristen
22:55 <Mekkis> oh
23:04 <Avatar> tristen's second char is level 1
23:06 <Mekkis> 17/6 = 2 5/6
23:15 <Mekkis> still less than the 3.0001 required to uptier
23:27 <Avatar> where are your numbers coming from man
23:34 <Avatar> you are the worst auditor I know
23:52 <Mekkis> Buck's 4 right?
23:58 <Avatar> yeah
24:00 <Mekkis> as is Kaleb?
24:34 <Avatar> yeah
24:42 <Mekkis> tristen's character is level 3
24:49 <Avatar> 4+4+3+2+1+1
24:50 <Mekkis> Thelen's is level 2
25:00 <Mekkis> and two level 1s
25:16 <Mekkis> 15
25:17 <Avatar> APL of 3
25:32 <Mekkis> ?
25:36 <Isendre> is there a naimng theme at all?
25:42 <Avatar> I would struggle to uptier that
25:47 <Avatar> Isendre: nope, anything you like
26:00 <Mekkis> how is 15 / 6 3?
26:04 <Avatar> here's existing char names: http://dnd.ballig.net/viewcamp.php5?v=28
26:11 <Avatar> oh woops
26:18 <Avatar> you can see the mistake I made
26:19 <Mekkis> you add 1 because it's a table of 6
26:32 <Mekkis> so it becomes 16/6
26:53 <Avatar> why do you add 1
27:02 <Mekkis> because it's a table of 6
27:06 <Mekkis> that's what the Guide says
27:09 <Avatar> that doesn't explain it?
27:12 <Spaceshot> that doesn't make sense
27:14 <Avatar> oh, absolute rule is it
27:21 <Avatar> if the book says it, the logic doesn't really apply
27:27 <Mekkis> and the reason is because more characters have an easier time
27:32 <Mekkis> because there are more characters there
27:35 <Spaceshot> clearly that's how DnD/pathfinder is founded on
27:36 <Mekkis> more actions, more health
27:43 <Mekkis> yeah
27:53 <Avatar> that does make somse sense
28:02 <Mekkis> it's heinous! encouraging players to work together
28:10 <Mekkis> WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
28:16 <Isendre> just need to make sure the name doesn't end up having unfortunate meanings or anything
28:31 <Mekkis> Isendre, I've played a druid with a wolf named Adolf
28:39 <Mekkis> don't worry too much about unfortunate meanings
28:57 <Mekkis> wow, Paizo have improved their naming of PDFs
29:05 <Isendre> oh, I more meant like that one player I read about who named a character Candida
35:46 <Avatar> I don't get it
36:39 <Spaceshot> yea me neither
36:40 <Avatar> was it making people sick
36:56 <Avatar> I guess I wouldn't consider calling my character Buttsex
37:03 <Mekkis> This 20ppm duplexing colour laser printer is great
37:06 <Spaceshot> still confused as to what Candida would mean
37:25 <Isendre> thrush
37:35 <Spaceshot> ahh
37:36 <Spaceshot> eh
38:17 <Isendre> yeah, so, careful googling
44:29 <Isendre> I'll go with Amytis
49:12 <Avatar> added
49:15 <Avatar> you can upload your sheet now
49:27 <Avatar> upload it periodically while you create it so we can help you out
49:38 <Avatar> paste the link in here each time you upload it, we'll know what that means
50:15 <Isendre> just checking out the creation details, I'm a 3.5 based newbie to pf
50:46 <Spaceshot> pf is like 3.5 with many of the underpoweredness of class gone away,
50:47 <Spaceshot> supposedly monks are still average
51:31 <Isendre> my only concern on a cursory glance is remembering to utilise new class features
52:17 <Spaceshot> haha
52:24 <Spaceshot> new class features are more like sub-feats
52:45 <Spaceshot> some work like feats (and actually give you feats) others are just bonuses to the class abilities already there
52:59 <Spaceshot> once you get to APG you start getting way too many different abilities at your disposal
53:07 <Spaceshot> and rules questions go through the roof
54:21 <Isendre> they were always through the roof though, thanks to certain classes ;)
54:56 <Spaceshot> don't get me started with a 4armed guy trying to dual wield 2 two-handed weapons XD
55:00 <Spaceshot> it's doable at level 3
55:10 <Spaceshot> even with a level 1 dip
57:47 <Isendre> my favorite was when races had no written LA so people assumed it was 0 
58:06 <Spaceshot> wasn't that 3e
58:12 <Spaceshot> didn't think 3.5e had that
58:28 <Isendre> of course, but that never stopped anyone from trying it out
58:40 <Spaceshot> :P
59:16 <Isendre> at least in games I was in, no matter how no longer applicable people would try to port over things from Planar Handbook
59:32 <Spaceshot> hehe
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