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59:23 <Avatar> actually ran out of tea because i'm drinking so much of it
59:25 <Avatar> thanks tristen
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15:23 <Avatar> can't sleep, clown'll eat me
51:01 <Ballig> damn right a clown'll eat you
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23:35 <Avatar> zzz
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42:45 <Gogg> sup
42:48 Paragon__ is now known as snypt
43:12 <snypt> hey Gogg 
43:15 <snypt> hows it going?
43:32 <Gogg> ready for a game
43:56 <snypt> cool
44:01 <Gogg> I thought I have to use a diff IRC
44:20 <snypt> a different client u mean?
44:30 <Gogg> mIRC showed evaluation period expired
44:39 <Gogg> and was asking me to register
45:53 <snypt> ah yeah you can still use it i think
45:54 <Gogg> well, the continue button was blank
45:54 <snypt> if not xchat is free
45:54 <Spaceshot> yea mIRC will bitch
45:54 <Gogg> so I clicked register
45:54 <Spaceshot> but you can still use it, just have to wait, and sometimes you'll have to reopen it for it to work
45:54 <Gogg> but I didnt
45:54 <Spaceshot> that's why I'm using icechat
45:56 <Gogg> better dl that one then
46:19 <Gogg> u playin snypt, spaceshot?
46:34 <snypt> not me
46:45 <Gogg> !throw 1d20
46:45 <diebot> Gogg, 1d20: [1d20=6] 6
46:57 <Gogg> ok, it's workin :)
46:59 <Spaceshot> icechat doesn't allow you to take out the chat and put it on top
47:04 <Spaceshot> that's the only issue with icechat
53:49 <Avatar> looks like we might not have a game this morning
54:14 <Avatar> if we don't get some more players show up, we'll have to postpone till saturday
54:24 <Avatar> have people started going back to work?
55:11 <Spaceshot> I think so
55:41 <Avatar> could still run first steps for you guys
55:43 <Gogg> aw shucks
55:58 <Gogg> I'm in
56:04 <Avatar> jaggedsoul have you played first steps 1
56:09 <Gogg> no
56:17 <Avatar> and spaceshot hasn't
56:25 <Avatar> we'd still need a third
56:42 <Spaceshot> well, in the mean time I'm gonna start making my vivisectionist :P
56:56 * Gogg waiting for a 3rd player...
57:06 <Avatar> if either of you know anyone who could be good to play, now's the time to bring them in
57:21 <Spaceshot> where the fuck is brunius when you want him?
57:30 <Spaceshot> owait he's in canberra isn't he
57:33 <Avatar> yeah
57:43 <Avatar> he hasn't played first steps 1 either I don't believe
58:13 <Avatar> I don't know how he was able to play yesterday if he's in canberra
58:33 <Spaceshot> who cares if he has or hasn't
58:42 <Spaceshot> it's the help lowbies rule
01:00 <Avatar> yeah it's fine if he's on a different character
01:17 <Avatar> he does have something like 7 characters
01:38 <Spaceshot> you all seem to
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02:38 <tristen> hey now there's some timing
02:45 <Avatar> you are 2 minutes late !!
02:53 <Avatar> do you have another character tristen
03:06 <tristen> gawd, no - you mean 9th level?
03:08 <Avatar> we're talking about maybe playing first steps
03:14 <Avatar> 1st level
03:36 <tristen> oh, well i'll run a pregen fighter howzat?
03:38 <Avatar> I guess I could run first steps 2
04:16 <tristen> i'm easy just tell me what to do :)
04:42 <Avatar> Gogg: what level is Gogg
04:51 <Gogg> 2
05:02 <Avatar> so you can't play first steps anyway
05:11 <tristen> i'll see if thelen's about?
05:15 <Avatar> well I guess I can run frostfur
05:19 <Avatar> yep go on
05:25 <Avatar> apparently people went back to work today
05:29 <Avatar> i thought it was tomorrow
05:58 <Gogg> I can also run a pregen char right?
06:39 <Avatar> yeah
06:47 <Avatar> don't you guys like rolling up characters?
06:58 <Gogg> I would
06:58 <Avatar> I am a bit surprised to see so many preferring to use pregens
07:10 <Gogg> jus dont have one yet
07:15 <tristen> i don't mind - just didn't want to hold things up
07:16 <Avatar> what are you waiting for
07:21 <Gogg> halfling bard!
07:24 <Avatar> well not today
07:31 <Avatar> you can still do one today if you want
07:34 <Spaceshot> ??
07:39 <Avatar> I don't want to run a stupidly long game like yesterday's
07:44 <Spaceshot> I'm probably not gonna be able to play
07:49 <Spaceshot> got shit to do
07:55 <Avatar> okay
07:59 <Avatar> then we still need a third
08:03 <Spaceshot> GET THELEN XD
08:09 <Avatar> get him !!
09:16 <tristen> THELEN THE SILENT ONE
09:23 <tristen> he's on skype...
09:32 <tristen> just can't get his attention
10:04 <tristen> i could phone him 7 times...but i'd have to make some tea first
11:08 <tristen> i'll just keep typing "boing" until he answers
11:21 <Avatar> hahaha
11:40 <Avatar> while you're waiting, consider taking the time to put together a new character
11:47 <tristen> he's gonna crack the shits at me
11:52 <Avatar> don't try too hard man
11:56 <tristen> lol no
12:01 <Gogg> ayt
12:04 <tristen> i've stopped now
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20:29 <tristen> ok, thelen can't do today :(
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21:27 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sat 10am (new game/Avatar) | CoTE: Sun Jan 8th 10am || AEDT (UTC+11:00) | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://dnd.ballig.net/
22:36 <Gogg> Avatar, that one for Saturday's still for first steps?
22:45 <Avatar> depends who shows
23:08 <Gogg> I'll make one jus in case then
23:09 <Avatar> don't stop creating a new character based on what we play on saturday
23:17 <tristen> count me in
23:17 <Avatar> don't forget to give me a character name once you've got one
23:25 <Gogg> ok
23:31 Gogg is now known as Jaggedsoul
23:41 <tristen> yeah ok i'll be rolling up a level 1 fighter ok avatar?
23:48 <Avatar> whatever you like
23:52 <tristen> goodo
24:03 <Avatar> you're experienced enough that you can gloss over all the classes if you want take a better look at what they all do
24:44 <Spaceshot> just don't skim read them XD
24:59 <Jaggedsoul> I have a question about arcane bond
25:05 <Spaceshot> shoot
25:30 <Jaggedsoul> I can get a masterwork elven curved blade at no cost?
25:40 <Spaceshot> yes
25:53 <Jaggedsoul> cool :)
25:56 <Spaceshot> but if it is never in your hand, you can't cast without having to do a concentration check
26:06 <Spaceshot> of I think 15+spell level
26:23 <Jaggedsoul> that's ok
26:42 <Spaceshot> and you have to wield it, not just hold it on one hand
26:53 <Spaceshot> so an elven curved blade is a really bad arcane bond
27:03 <Jaggedsoul> half-elf ancestral arms is the answer
27:11 <Spaceshot> ?
27:16 <Jaggedsoul> then universalist hand of apprentice
27:28 <Spaceshot> again ???
27:42 <Spaceshot> guessing you're looking at either SRD or forums
27:55 <Jaggedsoul> i can be proficent with elven curved blade
28:05 <Spaceshot> yes you can
28:12 <Jaggedsoul> so it's ok for me to wield it
28:15 <Spaceshot> profficiency isn't the problem
28:23 <Spaceshot> the issue is is that since it's 2handed
28:35 <Avatar> you'll never use a melee weapon as a wizard
29:18 <Avatar> you'll hardly even use a ranged weapon
29:26 <Spaceshot> mmm
29:40 <Spaceshot> they have buffed wizards alot
29:41 <Spaceshot> acid splash is awesome
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30:26 <MekkisScreen> IDENTIFY
30:33 <MekkisScreen> ??stunned
30:47 <Spaceshot> ??stunned
30:57 <Spaceshot> guess it lost it's memory?
31:04 <MekkisScreen> check your PMs
31:16 <Jaggedsoul> ??stunned
31:21 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure if that's better or worse
31:26 <Spaceshot> I'm going with worse
31:31 <Jaggedsoul> yeah
31:52 <Jaggedsoul> it could be a good option
31:52 <Spaceshot> at least for me, and other people who's IRC doesn't allow for multiple windows
32:00 <Jaggedsoul> like making a secret roll
32:18 <Spaceshot> for people using mIRC and other IRCs which allow pop out windows, sweet
32:19 <Avatar> ??stunned
33:04 <Jaggedsoul> a staff is two-handed right?
33:17 <Spaceshot> I don't know
33:20 <Spaceshot> I don't think so
33:45 <Spaceshot> mekkis would know more about arcane bonds than I would
34:06 <Spaceshot> mekkis; you can't cast directly through your arcane bond except for the arcane bond's 1/day spell right?
34:34 <Avatar> I think you can cast from a staff in one hand
34:52 <Avatar> there's no penalties for using one handed unless you're using it in melee
35:15 <Avatar> are you talking about a magic staff or a quarterstaff
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35:20 <Spaceshot> so basically you can go elven curved blade and just hold it in one hand to cast spells?
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35:40 <MekkisScreen> <?stunned
35:40 <diebot> A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a –2 penalty to AC, and loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any).
35:43 <Avatar> why not?
35:47 <Spaceshot> mmk
35:57 <Avatar> unless there's a rule saying you can't
36:01 <Avatar> but I don't see one
36:28 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: did they errata the elven profficiency to copy that of the race book? aka you have the profficiency of all elven weapons rather than just reducing them to martial?
37:11 <MekkisScreen> race book?
37:26 <Spaceshot> advanced race guide
37:36 <MekkisScreen> !define global panicked: A panicked creature must drop anything it holds and flee at top speed from the source of its fear, as well as any other dangers it encounters, along a random path. It can't take any other actions. In addition, the creature takes a 2 penalty on all saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. If cornered, a panicked creature cowers and does not attack, typically using the total defense action in combat. A panicked creatur
37:36 <diebot> MekkisScreen, A panicked creature must drop anything it holds and flee at top speed from the source of its fear, as well as any other dangers it encounters, along a random path. It can't take any other actions. In addition, the creature takes a 2 penalty on all saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. If cornered, a panicked creature cowers and does not attack, typically using the total defense action in combat. A panicked creatur defined as ??pan
37:39 <Spaceshot> that book allows you to create your own races
37:43 <MekkisScreen> no idea
37:55 <MekkisScreen> <?panicked
37:56 <diebot> A panicked creature must drop anything it holds and flee at top speed from the source of its fear, as well as any other dangers it encounters, along a random path. It can't take any other actions. In addition, the creature takes a 2 penalty on all saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. If cornered, a panicked
37:56 <diebot> creature cowers and does not attack, typically using the total defense action in combat. A panicked creatur
38:34 <MekkisScreen> !define global add e can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.   Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
38:51 <MekkisScreen> !define global add panicked: e can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.   Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
39:32 <Jaggedsoul> core rulebook doesnt say any restrictions about 2-handed weapons
39:39 <Jaggedsoul> for arcane bond
39:54 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul: take a look at the base attack bonuses for wizards 
39:57 <Avatar> in the class features table
40:18 <Spaceshot> also Jaggedsoul: you don't gain the elven curved blade as a profficiency, only that it's reduced to martial from exotic
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42:03 <MekkisScreen> !define global add panicked: e can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.   Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
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42:20 <MekkisScreen> !define global add panicked: e can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.   Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
42:49 <Spaceshot> wow ancenstral arms is awesome
43:31 <Jaggedsoul> that's why I'll combine half-elf alternative racial trait ancestral arms
43:42 <Jaggedsoul> with universalist hand of apprentice
44:32 <MekkisScreen> what does ancestral arms do?
44:53 <Jaggedsoul> it's like exotic weapon proficency
45:03 <MekkisScreen> ah
45:06 <Spaceshot> replaces adaptability trait with either exotic or martial weapon profficiency
45:06 <MekkisScreen> I remember that
45:10 <Avatar> on a wizard
45:16 <MekkisScreen> I took it with Falchard
45:55 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul: you might want to consider playing a magus
46:07 <Avatar> they can cast magic and fight with a melee weapon
46:20 <Spaceshot> you don't want to go 2hander though
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47:01 <MekkisScreen> !define global add panicked: e can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.  Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
47:02 <diebot> MekkisScreen, ??panicked updated.
47:07 <MekkisScreen> better
47:12 <MekkisScreen> <?panicked
47:12 <diebot> A panicked creature must drop anything it holds and flee at top speed from the source of its fear, as well as any other dangers it encounters, along a random path. It can't take any other actions. In addition, the creature takes a 2 penalty on all saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. If cornered, a panicked
47:12 <diebot> creature cowers and does not attack, typically using the total defense action in combat. A panicked creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.  Panicked is a more extreme state of fear than shaken or frightened.
47:19 <MekkisScreen> happy now, Avatar?
49:22 <MekkisScreen> !define global blinded: The creature cannot see. It takes a 2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and takes a 4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks and on opposed Perception skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Perception checks based on sight) automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) against the blinde
49:23 <diebot> MekkisScreen, The creature cannot see. It takes a 2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and takes a 4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks and on opposed Perception skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Perception checks based on sight) automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) against the blinde defined as ??bl
50:05 <MekkisScreen> !define global add blinded: d character. Blind creatures must make a DC 10 Acrobatics skill check to move faster than half speed. Creatures that fail this check fall prone. Characters who remain blinded for a long time grow accustomed to these drawbacks and can overcome some of them.
50:05 <diebot> MekkisScreen, ??blinded updated.
50:11 <MekkisScreen> ??blinded
50:14 <Avatar> Mekkis: can you store those in pm
50:22 <MekkisScreen> you can
50:28 <MekkisScreen> now that you know the syntax
50:38 <Avatar> retrieving a condition isn't spammy, but setting it up definitely is
51:05 <MekkisScreen> yes, they can be set up in PM
51:10 <MekkisScreen> I invite you to do so
51:10 <Spaceshot> hmm... I might have to go first level barbarian for what I want
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56:05 <Spaceshot> would a 1 vivisectionist alchemist/1 rogue have 2d6 sneak attack?
56:53 <Avatar> where is vivisectionist alchemist
58:07 <Avatar> yeah it would
58:39 <Avatar> a vivisectionist alchemist 1/rogue 1/ninja1 would have 3d6 sneak attack
58:55 <Spaceshot> firstly, you can't take rogue and ninja
58:55 <Avatar> pretty good for 3rd level
59:02 <Avatar> can't you
59:06 <Avatar> where's it say that
59:17 <MekkisScreen> in UC
59:22 <Spaceshot> secondly, it states that vivisectionist gets sneak attack as rogue levels would
59:35 <Spaceshot> so 1 alch/1 rogue would get sneak attack like rogue 2, so 1d6
59:41 <MekkisScreen> yeah
59:51 <Spaceshot> Avatar: ninja is an archetype for rogue
00:04 <Spaceshot> like samurai is for cav
01:01 <Avatar> it's not an archetype, it says it's an alternate class
01:18 <Spaceshot> sameshit different smell
03:10 <Spaceshot> also, what are the penalties for duel wielding 2 2handed weapons?
04:42 <Spaceshot> dual*
04:42 <Avatar> there's a table in the combat chapter about it
04:58 <Avatar> er, 2 handed weapons
07:32 <Avatar> probably add a -4 penalty to the normal TWF penalties
07:59 <Avatar> it's either inappropriately sized or improvised
08:13 <Avatar> or you can't wield it at all
09:58 <Spaceshot> eh greataxe is probably better
10:04 <Spaceshot> gets 1.5xStr
10:17 <Spaceshot> which if I'm doing it right will be lots
10:35 <Avatar> I usually find TWF is a mistake unless you really feel like you know what you're doing
11:21 <Spaceshot> sneak attack is the only real time I see it as being useful
11:25 <Spaceshot> that's why I'm not sure
11:28 <Spaceshot> but it does cost dex
11:33 <Spaceshot> unless I take a level of ranger
15:28 <Spaceshot> wow that's a dump
15:41 <Spaceshot> 20(+2 half orc)/11/14/14/7/7
15:49 <Spaceshot> are the stats I'm thinking
16:17 <Avatar> looks good
16:26 <Spaceshot> fuck the will save :P
16:44 <Avatar> perception is wisdom too don't forget
17:00 <Spaceshot> meh
17:21 <Spaceshot> mekkis; am I able to use crafter's fortune when making my craft role?
17:25 <Spaceshot> roll*
17:32 <Spaceshot> dayjob roll**
18:27 <Avatar> what's crafter's fortune
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18:51 <Spaceshot> +5 luck bonus on next craft roll
22:52 <Avatar> seems that you can
23:02 <Spaceshot> hawt
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23:43 <Spaceshot> also, what is more useful, knowledge (nature)/heal skill (vivisectionist uses know(nature) as heal at level 3) or craft(alchemy)?
23:44 <Avatar> there's an alchemist listed in the PFS pregens list that has crafter's fortune as a formula
23:48 <Spaceshot> this is reference to PFS
23:54 <Spaceshot> heh
23:59 <Avatar> hence, PFS pregens
24:14 <Avatar> oh the skills
24:36 <Avatar> maybe heal
24:52 <Avatar> knowledge always has its uses
25:04 <Spaceshot> it's know(nature) and eventually heal
25:20 <Spaceshot> heal uses know(nature) from level 3 onwards for vivis
25:30 <Avatar> yeah better than craft
25:33 <Avatar> craft is really only day jobs
25:59 <Spaceshot> alchemists can identify magical potions with craft(alchemy)
26:10 <Spaceshot> should of probably said that first :P
26:16 <Spaceshot> that's why it's a bit hard to decide
26:49 <Avatar> you usually have someone who can identify potions with spellcraft anyway
26:50 <Spaceshot> it all comes down to, how often would I need to identify potions
27:09 <Avatar> common potions of like CLW are generally just told to the group
27:15 <Spaceshot> heh
27:47 <Spaceshot> because vivis' replace brew potion with skill focus(know(nature) or craft(alchemy))
28:27 <Avatar> go knowledge
31:12 <Spaceshot> the only issue, my AC is shit
35:00 <Spaceshot> is 1.5xstr rounded up or down?
40:43 <Spaceshot> wow mekkis has been cheating the dayjob roll
40:45 <Spaceshot> by a lot
40:57 <Spaceshot> probably unknown, but still
41:53 <Avatar> rounded down
42:00 <Avatar> what do you mean he's cheating
42:08 <Spaceshot> read page 17 about day job roll
42:16 <Spaceshot> in PFS guide
42:31 <Spaceshot> you can only add permanent bonuses to the job roll
42:49 <Avatar> his bonuses are permanent
42:53 <Spaceshot> his +8 from his eidilon isn't permanent
43:00 <Spaceshot> he can unlink anytime
43:54 <Avatar> I'm not sure that applies
43:59 <Avatar> it's talking about like 
44:02 <Avatar> eagle's splendour
44:41 <Spaceshot> such as equipment, feats, racial bonuses and traits
44:47 <Spaceshot> its not one of those
45:22 <Avatar> seems a bit up in the air
48:17 <Spaceshot> not really
48:27 <Spaceshot> once you fall asleep, it unfuses
49:49 <Avatar> you're not using your equipment when you're asleep either
50:10 <Avatar> the wording it uses is 'such as'
51:12 <Spaceshot> true
51:24 <Spaceshot> but what I mean, is that it's not a permanent fuse
51:30 <Spaceshot> he has the choice to do it every day
51:38 <Spaceshot> and yes, you also have the choice to wear armour every day
52:07 <Spaceshot> but, if I were doing a day job, I'd want to buff myself with crafter's fortune and other spells to improve my crafting ability, but I can't
54:00 <Avatar> I'd argue that if it goes for the duration of the crafting period, you can probably do it
54:11 <Avatar> how long does crafter's fortune last?
54:27 <Avatar> that appears to be legal
54:37 <Avatar> spells like eagle's splendour wouldn't be because they don't last long enough
56:23 <Spaceshot> crafting is done over a long period of time
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58:41 <Avatar> right
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37:42 <MekkisScreen> spaceshot, it is a racial bonus
39:47 <Spaceshot> the +8 is a racial bonus?
42:04 <MekkisScreen> yeah
42:17 <Spaceshot> I call balls
42:19 <Spaceshot> but whatev
42:42 <Spaceshot> you sure love playing lawyers and loopholes XD
42:43 <Thelen> who pinged me :/
42:53 <Avatar> everybody
42:59 <Avatar> potential game today
43:06 <Thelen> ah
43:11 <Spaceshot> jagged left :(
43:14 <Avatar> I did'nt realise it was back to work day
43:35 <Spaceshot> BUM
43:59 <Avatar> there's no need to be obtuse
44:23 <Spaceshot> I thought I was being acute
48:09 <Avatar> no, obtuse
51:00 <Spaceshot> well I tried
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59:57 <MekkisScreen> you're theone posing the pointed questions, spaceshot
03:05 <Spaceshot> you'd think so
03:13 <Spaceshot> I was also trying to make a joke
07:36 <Avatar> I've got just over 2000gp on Cairo unaccounted for
12:21 <Spaceshot> wtf?
12:25 <Spaceshot> how?
12:31 <Avatar> no idea
12:56 <Spaceshot> skim much? XD
12:57 <Avatar> just audited my chronicle sheets and character sheet 
13:24 <Spaceshot> get a +2 item
13:25 <Spaceshot> ?
13:30 <Spaceshot> or 1k off a rod
13:38 <Avatar> what?
13:48 <Avatar> I had a dishload of money before
13:54 <Avatar> after the audit, I've got about 7600gp
14:11 <Avatar> I don't even have a magic weapon yet
14:15 <Avatar> because I am shit with weapons anyway
14:31 <Spaceshot> then just get rods
14:39 <Spaceshot> or an immoveable rod
14:46 <Spaceshot> or a handy haversack
14:51 <Avatar> what good is an immovable rod
15:00 <Avatar> I don't need a haversack
15:07 <Avatar> I have a mount and don't even need that for weight
15:42 <Spaceshot> no, haversack isn't just for that
15:50 <Spaceshot> it allows you to pull out items as a move action
15:56 <Spaceshot> no matter what it is that's in the bag
16:05 <Avatar> you generally pull out items as a move action anyway
16:36 <Spaceshot> not out of a backpack
16:57 <Avatar> yeah even out of a backpack
17:04 <Avatar> is there a rule on how long it is supposed to take
17:06 <Spaceshot> if there is a reasonable amount of shit in it
17:32 <Spaceshot> I believe there are some rules in it
18:04 <Avatar> find it for me and then we'll talk
18:10 <Avatar> I'm fairly sure there isn't one
18:41 <Avatar> I've always thought a move action was generous but have never been able to rule it differently
22:49 <Spaceshot> ahh
22:53 <Spaceshot> doesn't provoke AOO
23:02 <Spaceshot> haversack is still good :P
24:22 <Avatar> yeah, if you need it
25:46 <Avatar> retrieving a stored item does provoke
25:50 <Avatar> does handy haversack not provoke?
25:57 <Spaceshot> yup
26:25 <Avatar> okay that is good
26:47 <Avatar> not sure if it's 2000gp good though
27:10 <Spaceshot> it's got 120pounds or 12cubic feet of space for 5pounds
27:40 <Avatar> never an issue
28:05 <Spaceshot> you don't want a colaspable 10ft plank?
28:35 <Avatar> nope
28:46 <Avatar> I don't understand how quadruped carrying capacity works
28:50 <Spaceshot> 500ft of rope?
29:05 <Avatar> it says multiply the value correpsonding to the creatures' str score (x3 for large)
29:08 <Avatar> but which value
29:16 <Avatar> you can't multiply all of them, because that breaks it
29:26 <Avatar> I'm assuming light load?
29:57 <Spaceshot> probably, but you never know
30:06 <Spaceshot> what's your max spend per item avatar?
30:08 <Avatar> maybe the maximum of each load, that'd make sense
30:16 <Avatar> there isn't a max spend 
30:47 <Spaceshot> ...
30:49 <Spaceshot> yea there is
30:58 <Avatar> no there isn't, why would there be
31:22 <Spaceshot> you really need to read the PFSguide
31:26 <Spaceshot> page 21
31:40 <Avatar> oh, for fame
31:42 <Avatar> it's uh
31:48 <Avatar> well, which character
31:51 <Spaceshot> what else would I be talking about
32:00 <Avatar> magic weapons?
32:06 <Avatar> you really need to be more specific
32:07 <Spaceshot> and I'm guessing the 7.6k is cairo
32:21 <Avatar> I haven't re-checked Cairo's fame yet
32:31 <Avatar> this says 13, but that's not right
32:58 <Spaceshot> well check his fame, because atm you can only spend 3k on a single item
33:07 <Spaceshot> unless it's buyable from a scenario
33:23 <Avatar> it's 22
33:37 <Spaceshot> nice
33:42 <Spaceshot> that's 8k
35:00 <Spaceshot> have ioun stones had a price change?
35:04 <Spaceshot> from the core book?
35:14 <Avatar> shouldn't
35:20 <MekkisScreen> sort of
35:30 <MekkisScreen> there are more of them in Seeker of Secrets
35:40 <Spaceshot> how about the armoury?
36:21 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot: a word of warning: I am going to be ensuring that you own the books from which your character's noncore stuff comes from...
36:35 <MekkisScreen> should you be playing at my table
36:41 <Spaceshot> IRL or IRC?
36:45 <MekkisScreen> both
36:50 <Spaceshot> why?
36:56 <MekkisScreen> I've done it with Avatar abd Ballig
37:20 <Spaceshot> so we should spend more cash to get items which I bet not every DM is so nazi about
37:24 <Avatar> I made my gunslinger and bought ultimate combat shortly after
37:25 <MekkisScreen> bvecause you're required to own such books
37:34 <Spaceshot> I really doubt it
37:42 <Avatar> what do you doubt
37:44 <Spaceshot> you're required to have the details
37:45 <MekkisScreen> you've read the Guide
37:50 <Spaceshot> you can print out the rules
38:06 <MekkisScreen> it says that everything outside the core assumption must be brought to the table
38:12 <Spaceshot> yup
38:15 <MekkisScreen> either printout of watermarked PDF or physical book
38:15 <Spaceshot> I can print it
38:19 <Spaceshot> or use my tablet
38:27 <MekkisScreen> watermarked PDF
38:40 <MekkisScreen> (legitimately purchased)
38:57 <Spaceshot> watermarked sure
39:13 <MekkisScreen> with your watermark
39:20 <Spaceshot> sure
39:22 <Avatar> lol
39:31 <Avatar> dont' worry spaceshot, I won't care at my table
39:41 <Spaceshot> doubt you would
39:44 <Spaceshot> you're not a nazi
39:49 <Spaceshot> XD
40:14 <Avatar> if what you do is serious enough, you'll be caught out at some point
40:44 <Spaceshot> oh I bet
40:45 <MekkisScreen> ever wondered why I pay for luggage allowance when I go to Melbourne?
41:04 <Avatar> how would anyone know you pay for luggage allowance
41:24 <MekkisScreen> Darkwhite knows...
41:34 <Spaceshot> luggage allowance?
41:35 <MekkisScreen> That's how I got his books and minis up for Paizocon
41:51 <MekkisScreen> yeah
41:57 <MekkisScreen> to bring all my books down
42:32 <MekkisScreen> I only own two PDFs (not including scenarios)
42:40 <MekkisScreen> Master of Devils and ISWG
43:22 <Spaceshot> avatar; did you buy the book or pdf?
46:33 <Avatar> I bought the books
46:50 <Avatar> I use the pirate copy of the PDFs
47:06 <Avatar> at the cons I need to be able to bring the books though, so that works better for me
47:22 <Spaceshot> not really, you could print out the book
47:25 <Spaceshot> like mekkis did
47:49 <Avatar> I'd rather have the book than a wad of watermarked printouts
48:05 <Spaceshot> :P
48:13 <Spaceshot> the cost is a tad different though
48:28 <Avatar> having the book is kind of cool
48:31 <MekkisScreen> plus, it prevents you from making a character that draws stuff out of more books than you can carry
48:38 <Avatar> it supports paizo too, which I can appreciate
48:48 <Spaceshot> oh that makes sense
48:58 <Spaceshot> didn't realise you had money to blow :P
49:56 <Avatar> it's not that much
50:18 <Spaceshot> $50+ is a bit
50:32 <MekkisScreen> you do realise, Spaceshot, that whenever we DM a module, we've paid for it?
50:37 <Avatar> well I buy maybe 2 books a year
50:47 <Avatar> not including the modules
50:51 <Spaceshot> nope
50:57 <Spaceshot> there are a bunch of freebees
51:00 <Avatar> the modules are $4
51:10 <Spaceshot> $4 every now and then is fine
51:13 <MekkisScreen> a bunch being " about 6"
51:27 <Spaceshot> I've spent about $30 or so during the sales (including humble bundle)
51:36 <Spaceshot> a bunch being about 12 or so
51:46 <Avatar> I think I paid about $30 for the books
51:54 <MekkisScreen> amazon?
51:55 <Avatar> $60 over a year, $5 a month, not much
52:02 <Avatar> yeah
52:05 <Spaceshot> mmm
52:07 <Spaceshot> that is better
52:28 <Spaceshot> also, about cairo's cash dilema, get slippers of spider climbing
52:30 <Spaceshot> :P
52:48 <Avatar> we rarely climb
52:55 <Avatar> I used to love the idea of spider climbing
53:03 <Avatar> that's one of those items I used to ooh and ahh over
53:05 <Avatar> now it's like ehh
53:52 <Spaceshot> helm of comprehend languages and read magic
53:57 <Spaceshot> 5.2k
54:04 <Avatar> scrolls are 25gp
54:04 <Spaceshot> can read and understand any language
54:13 <MekkisScreen> helm of "25gp for a scroll is almost as good"
54:30 <MekkisScreen> helm of "750gp for a wand is better"
54:30 <Spaceshot> you wouldn't use the scroll at the right time though
54:36 <Spaceshot> like when you meat up with someone
54:50 <MekkisScreen> if you meat up with someone, they're not going to talk to you
54:58 <MekkisScreen> you're going to fry them
55:12 <Spaceshot> that is also the issue with PFS
55:27 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean, PFS?
55:27 <Spaceshot> you can't try to diplomacise with possible enemies
55:38 <MekkisScreen> you can't talk to someone you've just meated
55:39 <Spaceshot> in pathfinder the GM has more leeway
55:44 <Spaceshot> lol meat
55:48 <Spaceshot> meet
55:56 <Spaceshot> whatever, sorry mishta elitism
56:28 <Spaceshot> get a hand of the mage for 900
57:10 <MekkisScreen> the GM  does have leeway in PFS
57:24 <MekkisScreen> you haven't read "reward creative solutions"?
57:48 <Spaceshot> so in first steps 3, we could of communicated with the kobold and not fought it
58:09 <MekkisScreen> kobold?
58:26 <MekkisScreen> there's no kobold in first steps 3
58:32 <Spaceshot> supposedly there is
58:50 <Spaceshot> the caster with snapjaw
01:37 <MekkisScreen> oh
01:43 <MekkisScreen> that one
01:45 <MekkisScreen> yeah
01:52 <MekkisScreen> we communicated with her
04:46 <MekkisScreen> and didn't fight her
04:46 <Spaceshot> I went to the door in the log
04:46 <Spaceshot> knocked on it
04:46 <Spaceshot> and ballig said roll initaitve, and the kobold cast entangle on us
04:46 <Spaceshot> and the croc charged (or just attacked, either one)
04:46 <Spaceshot> didn't allow much leeway for communication
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04:56 <tristen> spaceshot: that's pretty funny
05:34 <MekkisScreen> we;;
05:39 <Spaceshot> which part?
05:50 <MekkisScreen> evidently Ballig didn't use his leeway
05:53 <tristen> going up and knocking on the door of the log
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06:29 <Spaceshot> not only didn't he use it, he didn't even give any hints as to there was the ability of leeway
09:08 <tristen> which goblin were you playing (class i mean)
09:24 <Spaceshot> goblin? lol
09:27 <Spaceshot> I was playing a monk
09:43 <Spaceshot> half-elf monk
09:43 <tristen> oh beg your pardon - i thought it was wbg
10:09 <tristen> but yeah i remember that particular fight
10:18 <tristen> boom - entangle
10:24 <tristen> first move of the kobold
10:42 <Spaceshot> yup
10:47 <Spaceshot> no communication event
10:53 <tristen> but there was NO WAY any of us were going near that log, not in a million years :)
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11:05 <Spaceshot> there was a door in a log
11:13 <Spaceshot> thought it was someones home (which it was)
11:30 <tristen> aye and smoke from a cute little chimney
11:32 <Spaceshot> could of been of help to us, be able to trade some items
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12:40 <MekkisScreen> <?blinded
12:41 <diebot> The creature cannot see. It takes a 2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and takes a 4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks and on opposed Perception skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Perception checks based on sight)
12:41 <diebot> automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) against the blinded character. Blind creatures must make a DC 10 Acrobatics skill check to move faster than half speed. Creatures that fail this check fall prone. Characters who remain blinded for a long time grow accustomed to
12:41 <diebot> these drawbacks and can overcome some of them.
12:43 <tristen> yeah we just had a healthy paranoia of the whole thing
13:10 <MekkisScreen> <?invisible
13:10 <diebot> Invisible creatures are visually undetectable. An invisible creature gains a +2 bonus on attack rolls against sighted opponents, and ignores its opponents' Dexterity bonuses to AC (if any). See the invisibility special ability.
13:11 <tristen> i think there may have been some: "you go" "no way man YOU go"
13:31 <Spaceshot> pathfinders shouldn't be paraniod
13:41 <Spaceshot> paranoid*
13:45 <MekkisScreen> Avatar's characters always are
13:48 <Spaceshot> they should be adventurous
13:57 <tristen> aye and cautious
14:03 <MekkisScreen> Mytiazair is, but he's got a real incharacter reason
14:32 <Spaceshot> my vivisectionist is going to be balls deep
14:35 <tristen> by paranoid i don't mean quivering behind a swamp-tree
14:53 <MekkisScreen> he's played under Matt Goodall
14:54 <MekkisScreen> twice
15:01 <Spaceshot> heh
15:27 <tristen> did you make it through the encounter?
15:31 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: think I can buy enough useful gear for 30g at character creation after armour and weapon?
16:10 <Spaceshot> yea we killed them, avatar danced around with his longspear sneak attacking
16:57 <tristen> ouch
19:17 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: most of the conditions should be in there now
19:27 <MekkisScreen> I suppose I should add an edit function
19:54 <MekkisScreen> http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/learndb.yaml
21:25 <MekkisScreen> !define global !save: Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative
21:26 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20+3 initiative defined as ??!save: Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init
24:43 <MekkisScreen> heh
26:55 <tristen> heya mekkis - would you have a sheet-thingie for me from yesterday's marathon?
27:11 <tristen> (once again cheers for that)
27:58 <tristen> my gf lolled at you dm-ing from the botanic gardens
28:03 <tristen> well not _at_ you
31:25 <MekkisScreen> yeah
31:29 <MekkisScreen> it's at home
31:36 <MekkisScreen> I was waiting for your dayjob roll
32:32 <tristen> but can't i just be a bum?
33:04 <tristen> i wanted the prestige points instead
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36:45 <MekkisScreen> !define global !save: Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative
36:46 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative defined as ??!save
36:53 <MekkisScreen> <?!save
36:53 <diebot> Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative
36:58 <MekkisScreen> better
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37:46 <tristen> is there a way of listing commands?
37:48 <Brunius> Sup yo
37:53 <tristen> yo
38:06 <MekkisScreen> nope
38:15 <MekkisScreen> threre's a way of viewing saved stuff
38:34 <tristen> what is diebot?
38:42 <tristen> a web server or something?
38:56 <MekkisScreen> a heavily modified version of bones
39:03 <MekkisScreen> !fullattack tarrasque
39:03 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Bite: [1d20=16] 73; Bite: [4d8=5,1,1,5] 29; horns: [1d20=5] 57, [1d20=14] 66; horn: [1d10=4] 12, [1d10=6] 14; claws: [1d20=11] 63, [1d20=8] 60; claw: [1d12=4] 12, [1d12=4] 12; tail slap: [1d20=20] 72; tail slap: [3d8=5,7,8] 28
39:13 <tristen> hot damn!
39:29 <MekkisScreen> !fullattack ghoul
39:29 <diebot> MekkisScreen, I don't know the monster you speak of.
39:52 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
39:53 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 31: Gnome 
40:07 <Brunius> !reincarnatepf
40:52 <MekkisScreen> I think it uses the 3.5e table
42:27 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate30
42:27 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 46: Gnome 
42:33 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate30
42:33 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 16: Boar 
43:03 <MekkisScreen> you are able to make your own reincarnation tables
43:39 <MekkisScreen> !monster
43:39 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Dragon:Brass Dragon, Very young
43:54 <MekkisScreen> !fullattack Dragon:Brass Dragon, Very young
43:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Bite: [1d20=8] 17; Bite: [1d6=1] 2; Claws: [1d20=8] 12, [1d20=6] 10; 2#: [] 0, [] 0
44:09 <MekkisScreen> hm
44:41 <MekkisScreen> there is a copy of the source on my site. It's a bit out-of-date
46:51 <MekkisScreen> and naturally, standard disclaimers apply
46:58 <MekkisScreen> aka
47:10 <MekkisScreen> "It works on my system, no guarantees about yours"
53:31 <Avatar> <?broken
54:08 <MekkisScreen> congrats Avatar, you found one of the two I didn't put in
54:11 <Avatar> broken was split into 5 different ones in the text file, and you'll need it because both Samsuhn and Mellon took the Break spell 
54:21 <Avatar> thx :P
54:26 <MekkisScreen> then you'd better put it in
54:31 <Avatar> how
56:04 <MekkisScreen> !define global !define: Syntax: !define [global] [add] <key>: <definition>. Eg. !define global diebot: A bot written by Mekkis.
56:04 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Syntax: !define [global] [add] <key>: <definition>. Eg. !define global diebot: A bot written by Mekkis. defined as ??!define
56:14 <MekkisScreen> ?<!define
56:19 <MekkisScreen> <?!define
56:20 <diebot> Syntax: !define [global] [add] <key>: <definition>. Eg. !define global diebot: A bot written by Mekkis.
57:09 <MekkisScreen> !define global add !define: Using Add concatenates the arguments to the definition, otherwise it overwrites them.
57:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, ??!define updated.
57:17 <MekkisScreen> <?!define
57:18 <diebot> Syntax: !define [global] [add] <key>: <definition>. Eg. !define global diebot: A bot written by Mekkis.Using Add concatenates the arguments to the definition, otherwise it overwrites them.
59:53 <Avatar> er
59:57 <MekkisScreen> does that explain it, Avatar?
00:15 <Avatar> I'll try it and let you know
01:29 <Avatar> it didn't resopnd
02:46 <Avatar> ??broken
02:49 <Avatar> add doesn't work
03:41 <MekkisScreen> IDENTIFY
03:45 <MekkisScreen> <?broken
03:45 <diebot> Items that have taken damage in excess of half their total hit points gain the broken condition, meaning they are less effective at their designated task. Check conditions broken-weapon, broken-AC, broken-tool, broken-magic, or broken-misc for more details.
03:48 <MekkisScreen> what?
03:53 <MekkisScreen> seems to work for me?
03:59 <Avatar> yeah I got it after 6 tries
04:07 <Avatar> not with add
04:26 <MekkisScreen> add doesn't work unless there's an existing entry
05:18 <Avatar> ??broken-weapon
09:00 <Avatar> impossible to fit in the full description for the broken-misc entry
11:25 <MekkisScreen> that;s what the add command's for
11:32 <MekkisScreen> <?broken-misc
11:33 <diebot> No effect on use, sell value diminishes and repairs have special rules. See the broken condition in the rulebook.
12:14 <MekkisScreen> !define global broken-misc: If the item does not fit into any of these categories, the broken condition has no effect on its use. Items with the broken condition, regardless of type, are
12:14 <diebot> MekkisScreen, If the item does not fit into any of these categories, the broken condition has no effect on its use. Items with the broken condition, regardless of type, are defined as ??broken-misc
12:41 <MekkisScreen> !define global add broken-misc:  worth 75% of their normal value. If the item is magical, it can only be repaired with a mending or make whole spell cast by a character with a caster level equal to or higher than the item's. Items lose the broken condition if the spell restores the object to half its original hit points or higher. Non-magical items can be repaired in a similar fashion, or through the Craft skill used to create
12:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, ??broken-misc updated.
13:20 <MekkisScreen> !define global add broken-misc:  it. Generally speaking, this requires a DC 20 Craft check and 1 hour of work per point of damage to be repaired. Most craftsmen charge one-tenth the item's total cost to repair such damage (more if the item is badly damaged or ruined).
13:20 <diebot> MekkisScreen, ??broken-misc updated.
13:25 <MekkisScreen> ??broken-misc
13:59 <MekkisScreen> happy now, Avatar?
14:53 <MekkisScreen> !recentsheets
14:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2012-01-02 08:39 308 Buck
14:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2012-01-02 08:11 325 Gogg
14:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2012-01-02 01:32 269 Bobbob
14:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2012-01-02 01:15 229 Kaleb
14:54 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2012-01-02 00:43 328 Tasiv
33:02 <Spaceshot> took the photos MekkisScreen
34:45 <MekkisScreen> cool
34:52 <MekkisScreen> I'll givethem a once-over when I get home
35:22 <Spaceshot> cool cool, I'll upload them and give you links when you get home
35:41 <Spaceshot> also, should I trust point buy calculators that say they're built for pathfinder?
36:32 <MekkisScreen> I wouldn't
36:54 <Spaceshot> mmk, also is 18 over 17 worth the 4 points?
37:16 <Spaceshot> if not in a spell giving stat
37:39 <MekkisScreen> maybe
37:58 <MekkisScreen> Grolschmir put an 18 into str
38:02 <MekkisScreen> for a 16 overall :)
38:15 <Spaceshot> :P
39:43 <Spaceshot> well, I'm thinking 18/11/14/14/7/7 or 17/15/13/14/7/7 for vivisectionist alchemist
39:52 <Spaceshot> might eventually get a level or 2 in either ranger or barbarian
40:29 <Spaceshot> and half orc gives me +2 
40:33 <Spaceshot> going into str either way
43:33 <MekkisScreen> dumping wis and cha?
43:39 <Spaceshot> yea
43:54 <Spaceshot> I know it's not the best, especially since alchemist has bad will save
44:06 <Spaceshot> but this is more for a brute strength character
44:42 <Spaceshot> going alchemist because it gives sneak attack and quasi rage
44:52 <Spaceshot> and allows me to heal myself
44:56 <Spaceshot> with or ferocity could be good
45:14 <Spaceshot> orc ferocity*
47:06 <Spaceshot> ??disabled
47:12 <Spaceshot> !con disabled
47:16 <Spaceshot> !condition disabled
47:16 <diebot> Spaceshot, A character with 0 hit points, or one who has negative hit points but has become stable and conscious, is disabled. A disabled character may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions, but he can still take swift, immediate, and free actions). He moves at half speed. Taking move actions doesn't risk further injury, but performing any standard action (or any other action the GM deems
47:53 <tristen> hey funnily enough i'm just looking at that "log" combat map
47:59 <tristen> looking at the grid
48:09 <Spaceshot> mmm?
48:13 <tristen> do the original authors skew the grid deliberately?
48:25 <Spaceshot> probably
48:30 <tristen> pffft
48:34 <Spaceshot> that or they're using a generally used map
48:46 <Spaceshot> and just worked the encounter into it
49:01 <MekkisScreen> correct
49:09 <MekkisScreen> it's available as a flip-mat
49:22 <tristen> yeah it's just if i put a, say, 20x20px grid over the top
49:27 <tristen> it starts out bang on
49:32 <tristen> then it goes out
49:39 <tristen> and then it finishes up bang on again
49:45 <tristen> (more or less)
49:46 <Spaceshot> black magic
49:46 <MekkisScreen> that's because Avatar's lazy
49:49 <MekkisScreen> or Ballig
49:53 <MekkisScreen> one of them
49:54 <tristen> no not in ca
50:07 <MekkisScreen> so?
50:24 <tristen> just seems weird is all
50:24 <Spaceshot> quick question, are there any additional alternate racial traits besides those in APG?
52:04 <Avatar> don't think so
52:11 <MekkisScreen> yes
52:18 <Spaceshot> where praytell?
52:28 <MekkisScreen> Elves of Golarion
52:34 <Spaceshot> ahh
52:43 <Spaceshot> so each race book has more alternate traits?
52:56 <MekkisScreen> I don't have all of them
53:01 <MekkisScreen> that would be pirating
53:05 <Spaceshot> :P
53:09 <Spaceshot> lies
53:20 <Spaceshot> not pirating, questionable generosity
53:26 <Avatar> I have pirated versions
53:31 <MekkisScreen> HAH
53:37 <Spaceshot> we don't all have jobs
53:45 <Avatar> well it's not that
53:47 <MekkisScreen> so you're saying that when I copy a computer game, it's piracy, theft! and all that
53:48 <Avatar> I don't use anything in the book
53:49 <Spaceshot> or even if we did, have jobs that allowed us to buy all books we want :P
54:02 <Spaceshot> I don't
54:02 <Avatar> if I did, I'd buy it
54:02 <MekkisScreen> but when you do it, it's "questionable generosity"
54:19 <Spaceshot> when you copy a game, and then sell the base item
54:20 <Avatar> are you sure there are alternate traits in elves of golarion
54:25 <Spaceshot> that could be considered piracy
54:26 <MekkisScreen> no
54:49 <MekkisScreen> I like your double standard Spaceshot 
54:51 <Avatar> there are traits with racial restrictions, but there's not racial alternate traits as far as I can tell
54:58 <Spaceshot> they are good aren't they
55:18 <Spaceshot> maybe I should of said alternate racial features
55:24 <Spaceshot> but they call them traits in APG
55:55 <Avatar> there's one mention of the word 'alternate' in the whole book, and it's not alternate racial traits
56:10 <Spaceshot> mmk
57:01 <Spaceshot> is alchemist an arcane spell caster?
58:18 <Avatar> they don't cast spells do they
58:28 <Spaceshot> they do and don't
58:41 <Avatar> explain the do
58:46 <Spaceshot> they cast quasi spells into liquids and make potion like extracts
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01:03 <Avatar> pretty sure that's not the same thing
02:41 <MekkisScreen> when I copy a computer game, it's piracy, it's not theft.
03:00 <Spaceshot> mmk
03:24 <Spaceshot> I believe we talked about loss of sales to the developer
03:29 <Spaceshot> not about theft
03:31 <Spaceshot> at least at the time
06:28 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen; advice, should I go straight str build with a 2handed weapon, or should I look at duelwielding? this is the vivisectionist(sneak attack) alchemist (possible +4 str for an encounter, eventually lasting multiple encounters)
12:04 <MekkisScreen> play what you want
12:11 <MekkisScreen> both sound effective
13:06 <Spaceshot> yea that's a tad of the issue, duelwielding does allow for possibly more sneak attack damage, but 2handed gives a more steady damage flow, even if lower
13:17 <MekkisScreen> what's the issue?
13:39 <Spaceshot> they
13:45 <Spaceshot> they're both good, need to decide
13:58 <MekkisScreen> get quickdraw, then you can do both
14:13 <Spaceshot> heh, I need 15dex for TWF
14:38 <MekkisScreen> hey\
14:51 <MekkisScreen> dualwield a two-handed weapon and armour spikes
15:01 <Spaceshot> haha
15:02 <MekkisScreen> best of both worlds
15:27 <Spaceshot> by level 3 I could duelwield 2 two-handed weapons with 2 vistigial arms
16:03 <MekkisScreen> with that sort of idea, I can hardly see why you think Nightmare's broken
16:09 <Spaceshot> haha
16:19 <Spaceshot> nightmare is munchkin
16:25 <Spaceshot> in his own way
16:37 <Spaceshot> by having awesome skills and being good in combat
17:06 <Spaceshot> if I had TWF would it just be -4/-4?
30:44 <Spaceshot> Sean K Reynolds is a buzz kill
30:44 <MekkisScreen> he's not "good" in combat
30:51 <MekkisScreen> it's alright in combat
31:01 <MekkisScreen> but nothing compared to someone who focusses on it
37:39 <MekkisScreen>  what do you mean by 'buzz kill'?
38:50 <MekkisScreen> 1d8+3 damage isn't much
39:13 <Spaceshot> saying that vestigial arm was only made for being practically an unseen servant
39:20 <Spaceshot> which is boring
41:07 <Spaceshot> you'd allow duel wielding 2 two-handed weapons if I go weapon 1 is in both right hands, and weapon 2 is in both left hands
43:36 <Avatar> minimum -4 penalty on each hand, just for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand
44:53 <Spaceshot> ?? how is it 1 hand?
44:59 <Spaceshot> I'm wielding it in 2 hands
45:06 <Avatar> dual wielding?
45:09 <Avatar> how many hands do you have
45:13 <Spaceshot> 4 at level 3
45:23 <Avatar> are you not talking about PFS
45:36 <Spaceshot> alchemist, vestigial arm
45:52 <Spaceshot> PFS
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47:32 <Avatar> what book is that in
47:38 <Spaceshot> UM
49:40 <Avatar> taking the discovery twice
49:44 <Spaceshot> yup
49:59 <Spaceshot> once at level 2, another at either level 3 by using a feat, or at level 4 via class
50:04 <Avatar> I don't see why you couldn't
50:48 <Spaceshot> at level 2 I could use a 2handed and a 1handed duel wielding
50:55 <Spaceshot> sneak attack is just icing XD
51:58 <Avatar> the bloody stopwatch on my phone has an alarm on it that doesn't stop until you tell it to stop
52:13 <Spaceshot> heh
52:46 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean by buzz kill?
52:54 <Spaceshot> also, alchemists are the only class in PFS that is allowed to do any crafting
52:55 <MekkisScreen> I don't know that that term means
53:15 <Spaceshot> MekkisScreen: basically he turns something that was once fun, and makes it not
53:22 <MekkisScreen> oh
53:29 <Spaceshot> like saying his intention of vestigial arm is basically an unseen servant
53:44 <MekkisScreen> he's responsible for most of the broken stuff in 3.5 :S
54:02 <Spaceshot> he wrote complete mage?
55:22 <Avatar> gunslinger crafts bullets
56:05 <Spaceshot> nope
56:11 <Spaceshot> he just buys them and retardly cheap price
56:26 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot: he wrote MoF
56:42 <Spaceshot> MoF?
56:50 <MekkisScreen> Magic of faerun
56:57 <Spaceshot> oh
57:05 <Spaceshot> yea that's up there in 3.5 bullshit
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57:33 <Spaceshot> I still think specialist wizard is the best prestige class ever
57:36 <Brunius> Jeeeerks
57:58 <Spaceshot> you still in the boring state?
58:04 <Brunius> Yep
58:20 <Brunius> Ballig: We shud liek meet up lol
58:28 <Spaceshot> stalking Ballig still it seems
58:47 <Brunius> I can't get Ballig's name anywhere
58:56 <Brunius> So I can't effectively stalk him
59:11 <Spaceshot> it's on his skype
59:44 <Brunius> It's not
00:01 <Brunius> I've got it open now, all he's got is his nick
00:09 <Brunius> I am on an older version of skype, though
01:37 <Spaceshot> bah
01:50 <Spaceshot> nah it's not there
02:40 <Spaceshot> btw brunius, I'll be in melbourne probably early feb
03:01 <Brunius> kk
03:15 <Brunius> Any idea which suburb?
03:30 <Spaceshot> around st kilda most likely
03:58 <Spaceshot> http://www.aie.edu.au/Melbourne/CampusOverview
04:00 <Spaceshot> around there
04:25 <Spaceshot> though looking more south than the other directions
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12:51 <Brunius> Avatar is in St. Kilda
13:53 <Spaceshot> I know
13:57 <Spaceshot> he's not nice though
14:02 <Spaceshot> doesn't want roommates
14:13 <Spaceshot> otherwise all this stress of finding a place would be settled
14:14 <Spaceshot> XD
25:00 <Avatar> you can hardly say I'm not nice for not wanting someone to move in with me
25:49 <Spaceshot> someone moving interstate, with not long till course starting
26:07 <Spaceshot> stress piling up
26:13 <Jaggedsoul> sup guys
26:16 <Spaceshot> there are nicer things you could be doing
26:18 <Spaceshot> and sup
26:35 <Avatar> what do you want me to do
26:59 <Jaggedsoul> if you guys wanna go out of country, like in the Philippines, look me up
27:01 <Spaceshot> nothing you won't already do, nor do things you don't want to
27:06 <Spaceshot> see see XD
27:19 <Spaceshot> but yea I'm just saying you could be doing nicer stuff, thus I said you weren't nice XD
27:32 <Avatar> you're not making any sense
27:58 <Avatar> good on you jolly
27:59 <Jaggedsoul> I mean specifically in the Philippines
28:09 <Spaceshot> yea we know that Jaggedsoul
28:09 <Avatar> spaceshot's not making any sense
28:27 <Jaggedsoul> all's good
28:40 <Spaceshot> if you don't get it not my fault
28:41 <Spaceshot> :P
29:09 <Jaggedsoul> I don't blame you for also not getting it. :)
30:37 <Brunius> My plan for my gap year is travel around America. What do you guys think of this?
30:45 <Brunius> (Also check out the unis)
30:55 <Avatar> lol america
30:58 <Spaceshot> HAHAHA
31:14 <Spaceshot> this between highschool and tafe/uni or tafe/uni and a job?
31:31 <Brunius> yep
31:42 <Spaceshot> ?
31:44 <Spaceshot> heh
31:49 <Spaceshot> anywho, it's a lot of money, and not worth it
32:08 <Avatar> yeah where is the $ coming from
34:02 <Brunius> No clue :)
34:04 <Jaggedsoul> you found a moneychanger who'll accept your imaginary gps? XD
34:17 <Brunius> Ssssh Jagged
34:29 <Brunius> I'm not ready to realise my revolutionary GPS to the world
34:41 <Brunius> Hell, release, even
34:50 <Spaceshot> :P
35:13 <Spaceshot> magical money making scheme?
37:08 <Brunius> Nah, that's the commission painting scheme that will make me millions
37:33 <Spaceshot> haha
37:38 <Spaceshot> you can't paint your own shit
37:44 <Spaceshot> what makes you think you'd paint others?
39:40 <Spaceshot> otherwise I'd be doing the same :P
53:04 <Ballig> Brunius: just tell me when, and I'll tell you where
54:12 <Spaceshot> he wants to rape you
54:43 <Ballig> wonder if I'd get done for statutory
55:01 <Spaceshot> depends if he squirms
56:32 <Ballig> "Sir, we're arresting you for having sexual intercourse with a child under the age of 16." "But he raped me!" "Unfortunately the law doesn't go into that much detail."
07:33 <Ballig> Mekkis: as long as the conditions are useful, I don't mind if it's a little spammy
07:37 <Ballig> if individuals use it to spam we can deal with them
07:38 <Ballig> ??confused
08:11 <Spaceshot> it's pm based
08:20 <Ballig> I don't think it needs to be
08:21 <Spaceshot> which is an issue for those without split window function
08:24 <Spaceshot> such as I
09:50 <Brunius> Doesn't appear to work in PM, either
11:18 <Spaceshot> works here, but is PMed to you
11:19 <Ballig> it wasn't Pmed to me
11:19 <Spaceshot> hmm
11:19 <Spaceshot> ??dazed
11:19 <Spaceshot> tis for me
11:19 <Spaceshot> maybe you have to IDENTIFY
11:19 <Brunius> ??dazed
11:19 <Spaceshot> first
11:20 <Brunius> Ah, there it is
11:23 <Spaceshot> yep
11:25 <Ballig> ??dazed
11:30 <Ballig> ??confused
11:34 <Brunius> ??broken
11:35 <Ballig> there is no confused, then
11:42 <Brunius> ??confused
11:45 <Spaceshot> ??confused
11:48 <Brunius> You should define it!
11:51 <Spaceshot> nope guess not
11:53 <Spaceshot> ??confusion
11:59 <Spaceshot> ??disabled
11:59 <Ballig> Mekkis: it doesn't need to PM you, we can deal with spammers
12:17 <Brunius> ./mode +b?
14:28 <Ballig> anyone who uses it is likely to be a regular
14:32 <Ballig> regulars won't risk a ban, I'd like to think
14:54 <Ballig> Mekkis: worst case scenario, make it only respond to people with +v, +h or +o
15:02 <Avatar> brunius might, but we can ban him
15:17 <Ballig> if it only responds to people who are opped or voiced, then they are likely in a game
15:21 <Ballig> and we can devoice them
21:34 <Brunius> Dude, who was it that was spamming penis at people (BEFORE I was)?
21:42 <Brunius> Fairly sure that was Ballig
22:00 <Ballig> what are you going to do about it
24:58 <Brunius> Approximately nothing
25:24 <Ballig> :)
25:32 <Ballig> anyway, novelty for that kind of thing wears off quickly
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30:26 <Avatar> before you were, haha
30:28 <Avatar> if someone else does it, that must mean it's okay !
30:28 <Ballig> haha
30:28 <Ballig> we can't blame him, he's impressionable
30:29 <Avatar> good on ya brunius
30:38 <Ballig> Brunius: tell me when you need to meet t hough
30:43 <Ballig> so I know if I need to take the card to work
31:37 <Spaceshot> get lobster on his shout :P
31:48 <Ballig> he's 15, he's not going to be able to buy me a lobster lunch
32:01 <Spaceshot> he's in canberra isn't he?
32:08 <Avatar> he's going around america soon, a lobster should be skin off his back
32:18 <Jaggedsoul> so I can combine two archetypes of the same class provided they do not modify the same class feature?
32:24 <Spaceshot> yup
32:45 <Spaceshot> you can combine as many as you can as long as they don't alter any feature already altered
33:17 <Avatar> now it's time for some tea
33:22 <Ballig> haha
33:24 <Ballig> time for tea!
33:24 <Jaggedsoul> do you choose one level at a time?
33:42 <Spaceshot> you choose them all at the first level of any class you wish to alter
33:59 <Spaceshot> so if you want to do 2 archetypes, you choose both at the first level of that class
34:08 <Jaggedsoul> I see
34:39 <Brunius> The plan, Avatar
34:49 <Jaggedsoul> can you choose one with the same altered class feature that you can get at 13th level and beyond (since we have a cap of lele12)?
34:59 <Brunius> Chances are it won't turn out that way
35:01 <Avatar> sorry man I shouldn't joke
35:08 <Avatar> you might find a way to get it done
35:26 <Brunius> I should get a job!
35:34 <Spaceshot> Jaggedsoul nope
36:03 <Brunius> Three years will be long enough, right?
36:04 <Jaggedsoul> ok
36:04 <Spaceshot> doesn't matter what level, even for PFS, you still can't combine alterations
37:40 <Brunius> you combiner
37:52 <Spaceshot> can half-elfs get elven or human traits?
40:11 <Brunius> Google it
40:34 <Brunius> Look up Elven blood
40:41 <Brunius> In the PFRPG core rulebook
40:54 <Brunius> They count as both for effects related to race, don't they?
41:02 <Spaceshot> effects yes
41:12 <Spaceshot> but I'm not sure as pre-requisites
41:20 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul / Spaceshot / tristen: did you guys have character names yet
41:44 <Spaceshot> Avastaz
41:45 <Spaceshot> XD
41:55 <Avatar> really?
42:03 <Spaceshot> well, not really
42:08 <Spaceshot> but it's gonna start with Ava
42:18 <Brunius> Just Ava?
42:23 <Avatar> yeah just use Ava
42:32 <Spaceshot> if I decide to roll a chick sure
42:35 <Brunius> That's a (female) name
42:40 <Spaceshot> nah ya think?
42:41 <Avatar> no problem
46:22 <Ballig> anyone know how to use google perf-tools
46:32 <Brunius> Nope
47:35 <Brunius> What do you guys think of this idea - A Rogue with multiclass levels in cleric for channeling inflicts, with selective channeling if necessary
47:46 <Avatar> I've considered that for Cairo
48:04 <Spaceshot> in theory it could be of use
48:31 <Brunius> in theory?
48:35 <Ballig> would that complement rogue
50:08 <Spaceshot> it would give him AOE ability
50:35 <Avatar> the point buy matches up
50:41 <Spaceshot> ??
50:53 <Avatar> cleric and rogue have similar requirements for abilties
51:08 <Spaceshot> a bit
51:23 <Spaceshot> a damage rogue doesn't need cha nor a high wis
51:44 <Avatar> rogues can use cha plenty
51:54 <Spaceshot> I did say a damage rogue
52:04 <Avatar> I'm not talking about a damage rogue
52:11 <Avatar> it's a multiclass
52:19 <Spaceshot> the sort who takes a level of fighter for a bonus combat feat and full plate proff
52:25 <Spaceshot> and you didn't specify what type of rogue
56:01 <Spaceshot> also, how rated is the ability to always know true north?
57:09 <Avatar> so you don't get lost?
57:10 <Avatar> that's a survival check
57:48 <Spaceshot> true, that and an elven trait
57:51 <Spaceshot> starchild
03:42 <Brunius> Yo Ballig, where's the nearest shopping centre to your work?
04:20 <Ballig> manuka
16:14 <Brunius> Man your busses take forever
16:35 <Brunius> It'd take like 20 minutes in a car, but it's 70 on the busses
18:48 <Spaceshot> wtf?
18:53 <Jaggedsoul> Avatar, my character name is Morgrym, Dwarven\Monk (Ki Mystic/Master of Many Styles)
18:54 <Spaceshot> even adelaide buses are better
19:08 <Brunius> Adelaide busses are staggered though
19:11 <Spaceshot> true
19:12 <Brunius> Makes less sense
19:14 <Spaceshot> but better
19:25 <Brunius> I'm not disputing speed
19:30 <Brunius> I'm disputing timetabling
21:18 <Spaceshot> I'm disputing route planning
22:52 <Ballig> why would you want to meet a shopping centre
22:57 <Ballig> where are you coming from
23:49 <Brunius> Scullin
23:58 <Brunius> (Probably)
39:30 <Jaggedsoul> Avatar's no longer around?
39:39 <Avatar> what?
39:48 <Avatar> sorry, sec
40:13 <Avatar> added
40:18 <Avatar> all I need is a name man
40:27 <Avatar> you can decide on character/archetype/whatever in your own time
40:41 <Jaggedsoul> Zirul
40:51 <Jaggedsoul> that's final
40:53 <Jaggedsoul> :)
41:53 <Avatar> you can have both
42:06 <Avatar> add two characters
42:37 <Avatar> mekkis are you about
47:54 <Ballig> Brunius: you're better off coming to where I work, it's closer to Scullin
48:00 <Ballig> and there's a bus stop right outside if that's what you're using
48:02 <Ballig> plus I'm lazy
51:43 <Brunius> lol
52:06 <Brunius> Where do you work, anyway
52:37 <Avatar> I have one expectation from those I play with: Use your ingenuity and don't give up. Nothing frustrates me more than someone who moves his character away from the fight because "I can't do anything" while another PC is in the thick, struggling to help her comrades when she's down to her last 2 hit points. The creature is invisible, shrouded in darkness, flying, underwater, has damage resistance, 
52:37 <Avatar> or a high armor class? So what?! Find a way to help the party anyway: Cleverness and "grit" can find ways to achieve seemingly-impossible results.
52:40 <Avatar> hahaha
53:34 <Ballig> sometimes you genuinely can't help and would just be sacrificing yourself
53:34 <Brunius> Woo, a whole 7 minutes off the trip!
53:42 <Ballig> yep
53:45 <Ballig> that's 7 precious minutes
54:39 <Avatar> sacrifiicng some hit points to save a party member is not out of the question
54:49 <Ballig> that's not what I said
55:01 <Ballig> what I said is sometimes you genuinely CAN'T save someone and would just be sacrificing YOURSELF
55:13 <Avatar> I don't think that's what was meant in the post
55:21 <Ballig> yeah it was
55:29 <Avatar> no it wasn't
55:30 <Ballig> he's saying that you can never not help
55:37 <Ballig> but actually, yes there are sometimes when you genuinely can't help
55:46 <Ballig> maybe it's because your character was flawed in this particular area, maybe it's your fault that he can't help
55:50 <Avatar> I'd find that extremely rare
55:52 <Ballig> but that doesn't change anything
55:54 <Ballig> I wouldn't
56:03 <Ballig> think construct with a rogue who relies on sneak attack damage
56:08 <Ballig> and the construct has DR/adamantine
56:14 <Ballig> the rogue literally can't do any damage to the construct
56:22 <Avatar> then do something else
56:25 <Ballig> like what?
56:33 <Avatar> help the rest of the party in some other way
56:34 <Ballig> sacrifice himself to give the other person a round to retreat?
56:37 <Ballig> like how?
56:52 <Avatar> like make it difficult for the construct to move around
56:56 <Ballig> how?
57:01 <Avatar> any way they can
57:06 <Ballig> who says it needs to move?
57:09 <Avatar> tanglefoot bags
57:14 <Ballig> who says he has tanglefoot bags?
57:19 <Ballig> you're talking about creating usefulness /before/ the scenario
57:28 <Ballig> that's not in question - yes, anyone can make themselves useful if they prepare
57:38 <Ballig> his point is that he thinks everyone is always useful
57:39 <Avatar> then set it up so you can escape easily since you're an underpowered party
57:55 <Ballig> he's saying not to do that
58:01 <Ballig> he's saying don't leave the fight just because you think you're useless
58:08 <Avatar> you as in the party
58:21 <Ballig> how do you set up an exit without leaving the fight?
58:25 <Ballig> really, how do you set up an exit at /all/?
58:28 <Avatar> use the environment
58:30 <Ballig> unless there's a closed door in the way and you have to open it
58:34 <Ballig> you've lost this one man
58:43 <Avatar> I think you've lost it
58:51 <Ballig> sometimes a character is genuinely useless
58:53 <Ballig> I've seen it plenty of times
58:57 <Ballig> don't forget I've DMed for Lucianus and Skyfire
59:05 <Avatar> you can't ask me to explain how to solve a situation that we don't have specifics for
59:13 <Ballig> I told you the specifics
59:17 <Ballig> construct, has DR, immune to sneak attacks
59:24 <Ballig> rogue has no special equipment or alchemical items
59:26 <Ballig> all he can do is sneak attack
59:28 <Ballig> how does he help
59:33 <Avatar> you're only talking about the monster and nothing else
59:37 <Avatar> there's always something else
59:41 <Ballig> really?
59:43 <Ballig> like what?
59:47 <Ballig> now YOU give ME specifics
59:49 <Avatar> like the environment
59:55 <Ballig> there's ALWAYS environment?
59:59 <Ballig> okay
00:00 <Ballig> you're underwater
00:01 <Avatar> no, that's an example
00:04 <Ballig> on the ocean floor
00:06 <Ballig> you have environment
00:07 <Ballig> what does he do?
00:22 <Avatar> act as a distraction
00:28 <Ballig> this is an impossible argument for yuo to win - you're trying to argue that EVERYONE is ALWAYS useful
00:34 <Ballig> against a mindless construct?
00:35 <Ballig> come on
00:40 <Avatar> it's an impossible argument to argue
00:43 <Ballig> and even if it wasn't mindless, you are saying he should sacrifice himself for someone else
00:45 <Ballig> that's a bit harsh isn't it
00:54 <Avatar> you can get any mob's attention if you try hard enough
01:02 <Ballig> not really
01:08 <Ballig> some are mindless and continue to pummel the same target until dead
01:20 <Ballig> hell, PFS has those tactics for some things that /aren't/ mindless
02:46 <Ballig> I might have fixed that clipping issue in CA
02:58 <Ballig> are you able to reliably reproduce it
02:59 <Ballig> with as few steps as possible
04:08 <Avatar> it uh
04:12 <Avatar> happened as soon as I loaded it
04:18 <Avatar> sec
04:46 <Avatar> I keep going to open everytime I want a background image
05:20 <Avatar> yeah it does it every time
05:34 <Ballig> tell me how to do it
05:43 <Avatar> just load up the image 
05:49 <Avatar> use the toolbutton
05:49 <Ballig> tell me what it's doing
05:59 <Avatar> it puts the background image there, but it's cropped
06:09 <Ballig> to what
06:27 <Avatar> columns A-T and rows 1-20
06:32 <Ballig> okay, that is something I did fix
06:44 <Avatar> I'm using build 199
06:58 <Ballig> yeah
07:05 <Ballig> I only just fixed it
07:08 <Ballig> I'll upload a new version
10:19 <Ballig> latest build is uploaded
12:46 <Avatar> fixed
13:06 <Ballig> I also fixed the problem Mekkis was having with changing the grid size, which is what made us not be able to use it
13:16 <Ballig> should have also fixed the crash bug on resyncing with blackouts
13:34 <Avatar> the saturday game won't use blackouts
13:41 <Avatar> unless mekkis wants to run another one
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14:07 <Ballig> well, the same bug could cause a crash on resyncing with cones and blasts on the grid
14:16 <Ballig> they just didn't usually because blasts and cones weren't on the grid long enough for someone to resync
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26:01 <Ballig> the version I just uploaded lets you place cones/blasts/masks on top of tokens, which was annoying me
26:08 <Ballig> I'll work on getting them to place a little more intuitively
32:02 <Avatar> how do you place on top of tokens
32:17 <Avatar> not working for me, still tries to select them
32:34 <Ballig> what version
32:39 <Ballig> when i say "just uploaded" I mean at 9.25
32:41 <Ballig> not the one at 9.14
35:37 <Brunius> Night yo
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36:06 <Avatar> build 232
36:30 <Ballig> 238
36:55 <Avatar> yeah much better
37:10 <Avatar> oh wow, cones can overlap properly
37:27 <Ballig> couldn't they before
37:35 <Avatar> I don't know, Id idn't check
37:42 <Ballig> yeah you can keep clicking them
37:43 <Avatar> it's just cool to see that they do like that
38:54 <Ballig> there's still a bit of an issue placing them
39:15 <Ballig> they should probably always place in the square you click
39:15 <Ballig> even if another intersection is closer
41:10 <Avatar> might make it more confusing
41:38 <Ballig> isn't it more confusing to click a square and have the cone start in another square
41:39 <Avatar> when you work out that you need to point at corners, it's very intuitive
42:12 <Avatar> i thought it would be an issue, but usually when I place a cone and I'm unsure if it'll go where I want it to, it does go where I want it to go
45:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, what will you be running on Saturday?
46:43 <Mekkis> Ballig... you still around?
46:56 <Ballig> what's up
47:01 <Mekkis> <?blinded
47:02 <diebot> The creature cannot see. It takes a 2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and takes a 4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks and on opposed Perception skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Perception checks based on sight)
47:02 <diebot> automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) against the blinded character. Blind creatures must make a DC 10 Acrobatics skill check to move faster than half speed. Creatures that fail this check fall prone. Characters who remain blinded for a long time grow accustomed to
47:02 <diebot> these drawbacks and can overcome some of them.
47:21 <Mekkis> is that acceptable?
47:21 <Avatar> frostfur
47:31 <Ballig> sure, if you're too worried make it only work if the person is opped or voiced
47:31 <Avatar> that's fine
47:37 <Mekkis> ?? is PM, <? is in-channel
47:45 <Spaceshot> Mekkis: what str bonus does a 2handed weapon get for TWF with 2 two-handed weapons?
47:47 <Avatar> I'd rather not even have that, because sometimes we want to check it out of game
48:08 <Avatar> have voice/op I mean
49:58 <Mekkis> yeah
50:27 <Mekkis> the issue that might come up is someone editing the definitions
50:44 <Ballig> how can someone edit the definitions
51:00 <Mekkis> one way to prevent that is to limit adding global definitions to a list of users
51:07 <Mekkis> <?!define
51:07 <diebot> Syntax: !define [global] [add] <key>: <definition>. Eg. !define global diebot: A bot written by Mekkis.Using Add concatenates the arguments to the definition, otherwise it overwrites them.
51:19 <Ballig> or make it only let you add a definition if you're an op
51:31 <Mekkis> then they can't add definitions in PM
51:40 <Ballig> so
52:39 <Mekkis> the definition adding is rather spammy, as far as Avatar says
52:55 <Ballig> does it happen often enough for that to be an issue
53:07 <Ballig> pasting PFS box text is far more spammy
53:09 <Mekkis> we'll see
53:14 <Ballig> and I bet that happens more often than adding definitions
53:52 <Mekkis> (if someone abuses it)
59:19 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I'm not sure, but I suggest you find out, and are able to quote it from the rulebook before you try playing a character with it.
00:34 <Spaceshot> about being able to do it in general?
01:31 <Mekkis> everything
01:47 <Spaceshot> pg18 of UM
01:52 <Spaceshot> read vestigial arm
01:59 <Mekkis> and the damage it does
02:19 <Spaceshot> that part I'm not sure of
02:36 <Mekkis> that's the part I'd want to clean up before I play such a character
02:41 <Spaceshot> don't believe of-hand does damage in TWF
02:49 <Spaceshot> without the feat
03:18 <Mekkis> ever wondered why Nightmare doesn't use Enlarge Person?
04:21 <Avatar> mekkis what is your day job roll with nightmare
04:31 <Mekkis> diplomacy
04:40 <Avatar> yeah but what is the number you use
04:42 <Mekkis> +21
04:55 <Avatar> where does that come from
05:11 <Spaceshot> no idea how it works with sythisist dual cast on him and the eidolon
05:18 <Spaceshot> that's my answer
05:29 <Mekkis> that's exactly why I don't use it
05:31 <Avatar> the eidolon is fine, it's technically racial
05:38 <Spaceshot> technically
05:42 <Mekkis> +8 racial +5 cha +2 ranks +3 class +2 tool +1 trait
05:46 <Avatar> technically is all that matters
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07:48 <Spaceshot> tool doesn't count
07:52 <Spaceshot> for day job roll
07:57 <Avatar> it's equipment
08:03 <Spaceshot> sure?
08:03 <Avatar> it counts
08:08 <Spaceshot> bah
09:45 <Avatar> what's the name of the evolution that gives it +8
09:51 <Mekkis> skilled
10:43 <Mekkis> the reason Nightmare doesn't use Enlarge Person is because at the time (and I believe even now) nobody actually knows what happens
10:56 <Mekkis> Note: This is a revision of an earlier question that used enlarge person as an example. FAQ pending about size-changing magic and a synthesist (because of the limitation of "the eidolon must be at least the same size as the synthesist" rule).
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12:22 <Spaceshot> well it doesn't happen till lvl 3
12:30 <Spaceshot> but I should in theory still look it up
12:35 <Mekkis> indeed
12:47 <Mekkis> and if there's any doubt, I'd suggest that you avoid it
13:24 <Spaceshot> there isn't much doubt
13:32 <Mekkis> I'm still doubting it
13:38 <Spaceshot> why?
15:37 <Mekkis> because it doesn't sound right
16:58 <Spaceshot> it doesn't sound right for someone with 2 vestigial arms to be wielding 2 two-handed weapons
17:17 <Spaceshot> but in the same world it sounds right to have a magical created creature fuse with the owner
17:52 <Mekkis> yep
18:02 <Mekkis> there's clear text saying that that's allowed
19:04 <Spaceshot> thought you didn't like playing lawyers and loopholes
22:56 <Mekkis> that's correct
23:15 <Mekkis> that's why Nightmare doesn't use enlarge person
24:59 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure I know what it does, but I don't have any clear indication of how to irrefutably prove it
26:09 <Spaceshot> most of the classes outside of the core rule book have queeries which aren't always 100% proveable
26:18 <Mekkis> then avoid such things
26:21 <Spaceshot> doesn't mean you should just stay away from them
26:28 <Mekkis> actually, it does
26:36 <Mekkis> unless you want to be rudely surprised
26:57 <Spaceshot> by the answer, or a dick GM?
27:23 <Mekkis> are you defining any DM that doesn't agree with you as a dick GM?
27:27 <Mekkis> if you are, then yes
27:34 <Mekkis> by the answer given by a 'dick GM'
27:59 <Spaceshot> if it makes sense to you logically, and to others logically
28:07 <Spaceshot> a DM who says otherwise would be a dick GM
28:21 <Spaceshot> if it's a torn subject, then yea, I can see it as an issue
32:28 <Spaceshot> like vestigial arms being used as the natural claws from feral mutagen whilst dual wielding in your normal hands
34:40 <Mekkis> if it's not too spammy, paste me the rules that make you think it's allowed
35:17 <Spaceshot> I haven't found any rules about dual wielding 2handed weapons
35:28 <Spaceshot> but I haven't looked at monsters yet
35:50 <Mekkis> well you obviously read SOMETHING to indicate that it was permitted
35:57 <Spaceshot> yea yea
36:02 <Spaceshot> also, did yo take a look at the pics?
36:11 <Mekkis> well, show it to me
36:15 <Mekkis> looking at them now
37:13 <Spaceshot> Vestigial Arm (Ex): The alchemist gains a new arm (left or
37:13 <Spaceshot> right) on his torso. The arm is fully under his control and
37:13 <Spaceshot> cannot be concealed except with magic or bulky clothing.
37:13 <Spaceshot> The arm does not give the alchemist any extra attacks or
37:13 <Spaceshot> actions per round, though the arm can wield a weapon
37:13 <Spaceshot> and make attacks as part of the alchemist’s attack routine
37:13 <Spaceshot> (using two-weapon fighting). The arm can manipulate or
37:13 <Spaceshot> hold items as well as the alchemist’s original arms (for
37:13 <Spaceshot> example, allowing the alchemist to use one hand to wield
37:13 <Spaceshot> a weapon, another hand to hold a potion, and the third
37:13 <Spaceshot> hand to throw a bomb). The arm has its own “hand” and
37:13 <Spaceshot> “ring” magic item slots (though the alchemist can still
37:13 <Spaceshot> only wear two rings and two hand magic items at a time).
37:13 <Spaceshot> An alchemist may take this discovery up to two times.
37:55 <Mekkis> So I suppose from there you're taking the "though the arm can wield a weapon and make attacks as part of the alchemist’s attack routine (using two-weapon fighting)."
38:00 <Mekkis> bit?
38:02 <Mekkis> correct?
38:41 <Spaceshot> that is a good chunk of it
38:53 <Spaceshot> and can take it 2 times
39:07 <Mekkis> so, where are the other bits
39:16 <Spaceshot> what bits?
39:22 <Spaceshot> oh, gimme a sec
39:40 <Mekkis> specifically the bits that give you the damage increases and the bits that define two-weapon fighting
42:36 <Spaceshot> two weapon fighting, and I have no idea about the damage, there is the thing about 2handed damage being 1.5xStr
42:42 <Spaceshot> but I have no idea where the off-hand damage is
42:52 <Spaceshot> also, the normal book is lagging on the laptop
42:57 <Spaceshot> gimme a bit to do it on the comp
43:34 <Spaceshot> If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get
43:34 <Spaceshot> one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6
43:34 <Spaceshot> penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary
43:34 <Spaceshot> hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when
43:34 <Spaceshot> you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two
43:34 <Spaceshot> ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are
43:34 <Spaceshot> reduced by 2 each. An unarmed
43:34 <Spaceshot> strike is always considered
43:34 <Spaceshot> light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the
43:34 <Spaceshot> primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.
43:34 <Spaceshot> Table 8–7 summarizes the interaction of all these factors.
43:38 <Spaceshot> that's TWF
44:32 <Mekkis> ok
44:39 <Mekkis> and the two-handed damage bit?
44:43 <Mekkis> (it is important)
45:15 <Spaceshot> found it in my IRL book
45:22 <Mekkis> page?
45:39 <Spaceshot> have to find it again (know where it is, not what page)
48:48 <Spaceshot> page 141
48:51 <Spaceshot> bottom right
52:38 <Mekkis>    One-Handed: A one-handed weapon can be used in either
52:38 <Mekkis> the primary hand or the off hand. Add the wielder’s Strength
52:38 <Mekkis> bonus to damage rolls for melee attacks with a one-handed
52:38 <Mekkis> weapon if it’s used in the primary hand, or 1/2 his Strength
52:38 <Mekkis> bonus if it’s used in the off hand. If a one-handed weapon
52:38 <Mekkis> is wielded with two hands during melee combat, add 1-1/2
52:38 <Mekkis> times the character’s Strength bonus to damage rolls.
52:38 <Mekkis>    Two-Handed: Two hands are required to use a two-
52:38 <Mekkis> handed melee weapon effectively. Apply 1-1/2 times the
52:38 <Mekkis> character’s Strength bonus to damage rolls for melee
52:38 <Mekkis> attacks with such a weapon.
53:06 <Mekkis> ah
53:12 <Mekkis> there's the discrepancy
53:26 <Spaceshot> but that is in the theory that players only have 2 hands
53:52 <Mekkis> it's saying two things: if a weapon is wielded in two hands, it gets 1 1/2 times str bonus; and if a weapon is in the off hand, it's 1/2 str bonus
53:52 <Spaceshot> that's why I'd need to find a 4armed monster (there should be at least one)
53:55 <Spaceshot> and see what his deal is
54:05 <Spaceshot> oh
54:18 <Spaceshot> I thought you were talking about the off-hand only being a light or one-handed
55:26 <Mekkis> I'm not sure how to reconcile that
02:35 <Mekkis> any pointers?
06:49 <Spaceshot> find a monster with 4 arms
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19:01 <Avatar> oh yeah
19:16 <Avatar> what is the offhand of a 4-handed creature
19:17 <Mekkis> you mean like the Marilith?
19:27 <Mekkis> (Bestiary p64)
19:42 <Mekkis> Melee +1 longsword +24/+19/+14/+9 (2d6+8/17–20), 5 +1  longswords +24 (2d6+4/17–20), tail slap +19 (2d6+3 plus grab)  or 6 slams +24 (1d8+7), tail slap +19 (2d6+3 plus grab)
20:36 <Mekkis> or 6 slams +24 (1d8+7), tail slap +19 (2d6+3 plus grab)
20:51 <Spaceshot> is he using both 2handed?
20:56 <Mekkis> she?
21:00 <Spaceshot> it
21:14 <Mekkis> she
21:26 <Spaceshot> whatever
21:29 <Spaceshot> the creature in question
21:32 <Mekkis> The leaders of Abyssal hordes and queens of Abyssal nations...
21:36 <Mekkis> no, she isn't
21:53 <Spaceshot> then that doesn't help :P
22:10 <Mekkis> pretty kickarse picture though
24:56 <Mekkis> it does show the secondary attacks doing 1/2 damage
25:05 <Mekkis> but agreed, it's nothing that points either way
43:34 <Spaceshot> yea, need to see if I can dual wield 2 two-handed weapons
43:41 <Spaceshot> the damage we've come to a conclusion about
49:52 <Mekkis> we have?
49:53 <Mekkis> how?
50:54 <Spaceshot> well, we've come to a more stable conclusion than if you can 'off-hand' a 2handed weapon if you have 4 arms
51:06 <Mekkis> yes
51:24 <Mekkis> but there are two conflicting statements on how much damage it does
51:30 <Spaceshot> the weapon damage rules say two-handed give 1.5xStr and off-hand gives .5xStr
51:39 <Mekkis> indeed
51:50 <Mekkis> so, there are four possible outcomes
52:01 <Mekkis> 1) it does 1.5x str
52:05 <Mekkis> 2) it does .5str
52:14 <Spaceshot> the easiest being you can't do it with 2 two-handed
52:21 <Mekkis> 3) take them both and average, so it does 1xstr
52:28 <Spaceshot> but with a 2-handed and a off-hand/light-weapon
52:39 <Mekkis> 4) take them both in sequence, so it does 0.75xstr
53:35 <Mekkis> that's what I'd recommend
53:50 <Mekkis> that way you don't need to bring it up
54:10 <Mekkis> (2-handed + one-handed/light)
54:49 <Spaceshot> mmm
59:38 <Mekkis> hmmm
59:49 <Mekkis> I wonder if inflating this dragon's wings will help
01:03 <Spaceshot> ??
02:01 <Mekkis> I'm trying to print a dragon
02:14 <Spaceshot> 3D I'm guessing
02:40 <Mekkis> yes
02:56 <Spaceshot> where's a 4 armed giant when you want a base to work from :P
03:15 <Mekkis> there's a fair amount of stuff in 3.5
03:22 <Mekkis> unfortunately, it's 3.5
03:34 <Spaceshot> yea I know
07:20 <Mekkis> I haven't tried playing a Blitzstreik in Pathfinder
07:41 <Avatar> maybe you should try playing a less optimised character, for a change
08:09 <Spaceshot> who me or mekkis?
08:16 <Avatar> Mekkis
08:34 <Avatar> I have no idea what kind of characters you play Spaceshot, I don't recall seeing you play any, except for Thwang
08:54 <Spaceshot> and fredrick
08:55 <Spaceshot> :P
09:06 <Mekkis> Avatar, like Kormiggahn
09:07 <Mekkis> ?
10:34 <Avatar> a normal character, not a level 9 character
10:38 <Spaceshot> bestiary 3 might have some monsters in it
10:55 <Avatar> where is mystic theurge from?
10:57 <Mekkis> Kormiggahn is a normal character
10:59 <Mekkis> core
11:23 <Avatar> what is that actual class name
11:29 <Spaceshot> and korm is optimised
11:31 <Mekkis> Mystic THeurge
11:37 <Mekkis> how so, Spaceshot?
11:39 <Avatar> is it prestige
11:49 <Spaceshot> he's using the sorc bloodline that means he can use wis over cha
11:54 <Spaceshot> meaning he only needs 1 stat
12:00 <Mekkis> yes, Avatar 
12:10 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, I acknowledge that
12:17 <Mekkis> as opposed to going oracle/sorcerer
12:22 <Spaceshot> gives arcane and divine spellcasting and some benefits
12:23 <Mekkis> so he only needs one stat?
12:44 <Spaceshot> wisdom is a much more important stat
12:46 <Spaceshot> is the issue
12:54 <Mekkis> how so?
13:01 <Spaceshot> will save
13:03 <Spaceshot> perception
13:19 <Mekkis> Kormiggahn's the first PFS character I've made that HASN'T dumped wis
13:35 <Spaceshot> unless you want to use 'Use Magic Device" which if you have cleric and wiz school you don't need it
14:06 <Mekkis> actually, UMD is great for that Wand of Bless Weapon...
14:22 <Spaceshot> you've got cleric and wiz school
14:24 <Spaceshot> you don't need it
14:25 <Avatar> where's your +8 misc bonus coming from
14:34 <Avatar> you really should expand what they are on the sheet
14:41 <Avatar> for AC
15:37 <Spaceshot> !find Kormiggahn
16:04 <Avatar> where are the insight bonuses coming from
16:37 <Avatar> see I know what (stone) is because I can see on your sheet you have an ioun stone
16:40 <Avatar> that's a good marker
16:51 <Mekkis> !findchar Kormiggahn
16:55 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Kormiggahn, number: 332( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=332 )
17:23 <Mekkis> Avatar, which +8 misc bonus
17:37 <Avatar> under your AC
17:56 <Mekkis> oh
17:57 <Mekkis> oops
18:05 <Mekkis> it's supposed to be under armour
19:10 <Spaceshot> you have 5% arcane failure right?
20:29 <Spaceshot> good good
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28:08 <Mekkis> that's correct
28:23 <Mekkis> I've never had to roll it before
28:28 <Mekkis> I want to see how bad it is
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31:17 <Avatar> um
31:25 <Mekkis_znc> what?
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31:38 <Avatar> you don't see that?
31:51 <Mekkis_znc> I lost connection briefly
32:01 <Mekkis_znc> then won the netsplit war
32:11 <Avatar> why would you kill the topic
32:17 <Mekkis_znc> I didn't
32:28 <Avatar> look at it
32:31 <Mekkis> there was no topic
32:38 <Avatar> yes there was
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32:46 <Avatar> you cleared it
32:49 <Mekkis> nope
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33:03 <Avatar> yes you did
33:14 <Mekkis> ummm no
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33:27 <Mekkis> I joined the channel and it was topicless
33:27 <Avatar> on one side of the netsplit
33:39 <Mekkis> so I put something in
33:51 <Avatar> don't do that again
33:54 <Mekkis> ok
34:01 <Avatar> mr I don't want people to abuse things
34:31 <Mekkis> hmmm... looks like I'll need to make this model bigger
35:08 <Mekkis> 150mmx100mmx90mm is too small
40:35 <Avatar> We're playing 15-point builds in a Carrion Crown campaign. During character creation, it felt more limiting than the 20-pt "standard" of PFS. In actual play, it does not feel any more limiting.
41:25 <Mekkis> you are?
41:52 <Mekkis> hmmm
42:21 <Avatar> that's a quote, not me
42:23 <Mekkis> anyone want to pay $305 for a 300mm x 217mm x 181mm model of a dragon?
42:37 <Spaceshot> haha
47:16 <Mekkis> any idea how I could hollow out the inside to save $$$?
49:16 <Spaceshot> create 2 sides of the model
49:16 <Spaceshot> and glue them together
49:36 <Mekkis> no, I mean
49:45 <Mekkis> given a 3D model, how does one hollow it out
49:59 <Mekkis> the dragon's belly is probably full of $200 worth of plastic
50:00 <Spaceshot> depends on the software and printer
52:29 <Mekkis> I can get it done in stainless steel for $1742
52:38 <Mekkis> or gold plated for $3 more
53:04 <Avatar> wow, Cairo has had such a bad run with getting prestige
53:16 <Avatar> fame doesn't go up either does it
53:35 <Mekkis> that's what season 0 was like, back then
53:58 <Avatar> we play season 0 sessions though?
54:08 <Mekkis> yeah
54:09 <Mekkis> sorry
54:14 <Avatar> actually the season 0 ones I was okay on
54:24 <Mekkis> season 0 scenarios played BEFORE season 3 came out
54:39 <Avatar> these are pre-season 3 man
54:41 <Avatar> Cairo
54:51 <Mekkis> they only offered one prestige
55:05 <Avatar> er
55:21 <Avatar> so is the prestige retroactive if you played it and succeeded?
55:35 <Mekkis> no
55:44 <Avatar> and you can't replay it?
55:47 <Mekkis> correct
55:54 <Avatar> that SUCKS
56:24 <Mekkis> post on the forums :S
56:39 <Avatar> although uh, doesn't affect me since I got 2 prestige in my season 0 scenarios
56:59 <Mekkis> how?
57:01 <Mekkis> who?
57:20 <Mekkis> what does your chronicle sheet say?
58:40 <Avatar> I lie, there are a few in my paper ones
59:03 <Avatar> devil we know 1 I got 2 prestige
59:12 <Avatar> that was you
59:23 <Mekkis> that was season 1
59:24 <Avatar> and devil we know 2, I got 2 prestige
59:26 <Avatar> also you
59:35 <Avatar> oh
59:45 <Avatar> i'm going by the fact it doesn't say season 1 on it
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