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01:02:38 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 26th 1pm (Mekkis, tier 1-7) / Sun 27th 1pm (Avatar, tier 5-9) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
01:02:38 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat May 19 19:45:47 2012
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01:03:37 <Mekkis> strange... my laptop at work has a new IP address....
01:06:21 <BoomerET> Why is that strange, leases run out.
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01:07:07 <BoomerET> Please tell me you haven't been playing d3 ever since we finished.
01:08:30 <mekkis_tablet> BoomerET: because the laptop's supposed to be in the office at work, which has its own /29
01:11:08 <StevenAFKplayingd3> ...
01:11:12 <StevenAFKplayingd3> yes i have been.
01:23:16 <BoomerET> Wow
01:34:09 <StevenAFKplayingd3> yeah, its pretty craazy
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01:42:10 <StevenAFKplayingd3> damn it... found a respendent chest with just me in the game
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02:14:13 <BoomerET> Question: I remember when I played 2e, that magic-users could only cast spells they had in their spellbook but clerics could cast anything, as long as they had it prayed/prepared it. Is this still the case w/ Pathfiner?
02:14:53 <BoomerET> I looked in the core rules, but haven't found it yet.
02:34:54 <Hydrazine> Clerics know their entire class spell list. Correct.
02:37:28 <Hydrazine> A cleric may prepare and cast any spell on the cleric spell list, provided that she can cast spells of that level, but she must choose which spells to prepare during her daily meditation.
02:42:23 <BoomerET> Ok, so same as 2e
02:42:29 <BoomerET> Thanks
02:45:03 <Hydrazine> Here for you man.
02:45:19 <Hydrazine> Us bobbleheads gotta stick together
02:45:38 <Avatar> you bobbleheads
02:45:51 <Hydrazine> If your curious, its in the cleric class stuff, under spells.
02:54:10 <Nocte|Kazour> Hmm...
02:55:07 <Nocte|Kazour> I'm feeling like learning to GM Pathfinder... What should I try to focus when studying/learning the rules?
02:58:44 <StevenAFKplayingd3> mostly just combat rules
02:58:49 StevenAFKplayingd3 is now known as Steven
02:59:23 <Avatar> and skills
02:59:55 <Steven> yeah skills, and how people will try to twist them
03:00:09 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder yet
03:00:37 <Nocte|Kazour> Once tried, didn't work that good ;)
03:01:27 <Nocte|Kazour> Anyone else here memorizes better when they have read from a book?
03:01:49 <Nocte|Kazour> BRB.
03:02:57 <Steven> so you havent been able to play pfs?
03:03:07 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeh.
03:03:11 <Nocte|Kazour> Because of timezones.
03:03:15 <Nocte|Kazour> Fuck timezones.
03:03:18 <Nocte|Kazour> And hard.
03:03:21 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
03:03:43 <Steven> i rather like timezones.
03:04:02 <Nocte|Kazour> Meh.
03:04:12 <BoomerET> I live in a timezone, it's nice.
03:04:28 <Steven> I live in one too.
03:04:39 <Steven> high fives!
03:04:40 <Nocte|Kazour> But anyways, who remembers better when they read from a book?
03:04:51 <Nocte|Kazour> have*
03:05:03 <BoomerET> Not sure what you mean. as opposed to reading from a pillow?
03:05:15 <Nocte|Kazour> Reading from your pc screen.
03:05:24 <Nocte|Kazour> Opposed to that.
03:05:55 <Steven> i remember better when i read something book vs computer has nothing to do with it
03:06:22 <Steven> also i have a burrito. it is tasty
03:09:23 <Hydrazine> I memorize better reading. Doesn't matter where.
03:12:06 <Nocte|Kazour> K... Gonna read the PRD Combat section.
03:12:23 <Hydrazine> Read it a bunch. Ask questions.
03:12:48 <Hydrazine> I think these guys are right, in that combat rules and skill checks are when things are gonna pressure you.
03:12:50 <Nocte|Kazour> You can do a little test for me.... And see how good my brain works now.
03:13:25 <Avatar> we had a game here last night
03:13:29 <Avatar> at 9pm your time
03:13:38 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeh.
03:13:42 <Nocte|Kazour> That would been bad.
03:13:43 <Nocte|Kazour> :p
03:13:48 <Avatar> why
03:13:50 <Avatar> not because of timezones
03:13:59 <Nocte|Kazour> +1 hour till cockblock.
03:14:04 <Nocte|Kazour> So yeh.
03:14:15 <Nocte|Kazour> Cockblock read as Connectionblock.
03:14:28 <Avatar> what's connectionblock
03:14:35 <Nocte|Kazour> Blocks your internet access.
03:14:48 <Nocte|Kazour> Mighta talk my dad to remove it for the summer.
03:14:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Its been a year almost.
03:14:58 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
03:15:01 <Avatar> how old are you again
03:15:07 <Nocte|Kazour> I kind of deserved it but yeh.
03:15:10 <Nocte|Kazour> 17.
03:15:16 <Avatar> is it punishment
03:15:21 <Nocte|Kazour> Yup.
03:15:36 <Nocte|Kazour> Stayed up until I had 1 hour left to sleep on school days.
03:15:41 <Nocte|Kazour> And on summer...
03:15:50 <Nocte|Kazour> I went to sleep when others woke up.
03:15:53 <Nocte|Kazour> durin*
03:16:05 * Nocte|Kazour stops failcorrecting himself.
03:16:33 <Nocte|Kazour> So I went to sleep basically at 6-7 and slept till 12.
03:16:42 <Avatar> why does it apply on non-schoolnights
03:16:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Because I don't have schoolnights :D
03:17:23 <Nocte|Kazour> No more school for me. At least for a year.
03:17:50 <Nocte|Kazour> BTW Avatar, have you played Ultima games?
03:22:20 <Avatar> that's where the name comes from
03:22:24 <Nocte|Kazour> Heh.
03:22:27 <Nocte|Kazour> Guessed right.
03:23:03 <Nocte|Kazour> Anyways, when does Nonlethal damage become lethal?
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03:28:36 <Steven> ok non lethal damage
03:29:07 <Steven> you can take non lethal damage up to your total hit points at which point you become staggard
03:29:40 <Nocte|Kazour> Imagine a woman bitchslapping your character to death.
03:29:42 <Nocte|Kazour> Brutal.
03:30:03 <Steven> then if you can take non lethal up to your con score non lethal damage starts couting a lethal damage
03:30:29 <Steven> so a person with 10con an 20 hit points can take a total of 30 non lethal combat damage
03:30:43 <Steven> or rather just damage, disregard teh combat
03:30:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Ah. That's quite simple.
03:30:56 <Steven> at that point he begins taking lethal damage
03:31:19 <Steven> regardless of what type of damage is being given.
03:31:23 <Nocte|Kazour> How much was unarmed strike again? 1d3 nonlethal?
03:31:43 <Steven> for a person without imp unarmed yes, its 1d3 non lethal that provokes an aoo
03:32:00 <Nocte|Kazour> Aoo?
03:32:08 <Steven> attack of opportunity
03:32:20 <Nocte|Kazour> Oh right.
03:32:21 <Steven> its like if you were to walk up to a black belt and try to punch him
03:32:29 <Steven> chances are hes going to knock you on your ass
03:32:51 <Steven> hes trained, your not.
03:33:46 <Nocte|Kazour> You know what would be lulzy? Playing a casual game and the people starting out as commoners having to work up till level 4 before being able to gain a PC class.
03:34:28 <Steven> and theres a home brew ide never play.
03:34:42 <Nocte|Kazour> Why not?
03:34:57 <Nocte|Kazour> Not feeling like roleplaying? :p
03:35:23 <Steven> you do know how bad commoner stats are right?
03:35:32 <Nocte|Kazour> I know.
03:35:36 <Nocte|Kazour> That's why I said Lulzy.
03:35:42 <Nocte|Kazour> You would need to work to gain GP.
03:36:10 <Nocte|Kazour> And in general you would need to roleplay more than as a normal adventurer.
03:36:16 <Steven> so lets assume a 20 point buy...
03:36:30 <Nocte|Kazour> :)
03:36:54 <Steven> first level max con of 20 dumping all other stats
03:37:06 <Nocte|Kazour> Max score of 18.
03:37:11 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
03:37:14 <Nocte|Kazour> is*
03:37:18 * Nocte|Kazour kicks self.
03:37:33 <Steven> max score is not 18... you can buy 18 then add racial mods for a total of 20
03:37:48 <Nocte|Kazour> That would work.
03:37:59 <Nocte|Kazour> Then you would have -2 on one.
03:38:15 <Steven> but that would end up being 11 hit points unless you want to make your favored class commoner which would be 12hp
03:38:39 <Steven> no bab, no increased saves and no class abilities...
03:38:54 <Nocte|Kazour> Work work work! Lovely work!
03:38:58 <Nocte|Kazour> Hah.
03:39:01 <Steven> no armor
03:39:07 <Steven> and proficient in one weapon
03:39:22 <Nocte|Kazour> The GM would be pretty cruel, am I right?
03:39:25 <Steven> so 4 levels of running around gabbing at people...
03:39:40 <Steven> yeah... i like some role play but thats too much.
03:39:43 <Nocte|Kazour> You can make GP with skills if I remember right.
03:40:03 <Nocte|Kazour> With the craft skills.
03:40:35 <Steven> yes a craft skill... which will earn you 1/2 your craft check in money
03:40:46 <Nocte|Kazour> That ain't bad
03:41:33 <Steven> so, level 1 lets say you dumped everything into in for a 20, would be +9, assuming you roll average for dice, 10g a week...
03:41:51 <Nocte|Kazour> 1o
03:41:53 <Nocte|Kazour> ...
03:41:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Damn.
03:42:01 <Nocte|Kazour> 70gp a week.
03:42:07 <Nocte|Kazour> No wait.
03:42:12 * Nocte|Kazour facepalms
03:42:17 * Nocte|Kazour is failing hard.
03:43:46 <Steven> so anyways, yeah ide pass that game.
03:44:44 <Steven> i could see it being a starter campaign where its people growing up and getting their 'starter' gold
03:44:57 <Steven> and however well they do they get more starter gold to start with when they make their actual character
03:45:18 <Nocte|Kazour> Btw, can't you run casual games like 13 encounters (1 for medium and 2 for hard, 1 for social) equals one level up?
03:46:15 <Steven> is that a question?
03:46:22 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeah.
03:46:33 <Steven> it reads like a statement.
03:47:02 <Nocte|Kazour> Just saying, math sucks.
03:47:42 <Steven> but yeah, scenarios basically run like that 1 social encounter, 1 combat, 1 Random, 1 boss per scenario.
03:48:02 <Steven> so usually you end up with anywhere from 12-16 encounters per level.
03:49:45 <Steven> so awesome. sams going in to work in around 15 minutes, which means she will get off earlier int he night.
03:50:34 <Steven> bout 8:15... maybe we will go do someting... who knows.
03:51:31 <Nocte|Kazour> How do you feel about crazy homebrewed worlds?
03:51:43 <Nocte|Kazour> (which make no sense)
03:54:23 <Steven> be back in a bit, im gonna make sam a lunch.
03:55:16 <Steven> im thinking... some left over pasta w/ some sauce i made two days ago, just need to cook smoe vegitables... be back in a bit!
04:07:46 <Steven> whatever
04:07:56 <Ballig> kronekal
04:08:05 <Steven> watch as i ignore your spelling nazisms
04:08:15 <Avatar> at the beginning of that game I said I should maybe spend my money on a new weapo
04:08:18 <Ballig> krohnickle
04:08:20 <Avatar> but I quite liked that sansetsukon
04:08:26 <Steven> croonical
04:08:35 <Avatar> I'll croonical you!
04:09:03 <Steven> ill cronickal you right back!
04:09:50 <Steven> ugh... 25 minutes tills am gets home, and then shes gonna make me tell her all about hte drama that happened tonight with J&A
04:10:31 <Ballig> tell her nothing happened
04:10:40 <Ballig> but not to go into the bathroom until tomorrow
04:10:42 <Ballig> for ANY REASON
04:10:53 <Ballig> and then refuse to discuss it further
04:10:56 <Steven> because she wont want to talk to amy bout it till she has the whole thing down, and then she will go ask amy what happened, completely wasting my time.
04:11:05 <Steven> sadly they are both still here
04:11:11 <Steven> or i would do that in a heartbeat.
04:11:12 <Avatar> that really is a fun scenario
04:11:20 <Avatar> I have been wanting to play it for ages
04:11:25 <Ballig> ha
04:11:35 <Ballig> how anti-climatic is it though
04:11:52 <Ballig> in the end it's just some crazy homeless guy who accidentally summoned dretches with a lesser planar ally scroll
04:11:52 <Avatar> yeah but in a good way
04:11:55 <Steven> I was seriously nervious as hell when the dretches showed up.
04:12:01 <Avatar> mark off that you've played it guys: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/pfs.php5
04:12:31 <SaintCaleth> Well what we didn't know is that the dretches were CR reduced from a template
04:12:40 <Steven> ive faced dretches before and the hp is nothing but that DR and Immunities is nasty shit.
04:12:41 <Avatar> mekkis: are you around
04:12:42 <SaintCaleth> so we were right to freak out
04:12:48 <Nocte|Kazour> Just fun, my chrome flash videos act like they are in 3D.
04:12:53 <Avatar> SaintCaleth: eye-opener to buy a cold iron weapon
04:13:07 <Steven> or get a +3 weapon?
04:13:15 <Avatar> can you afford a +3 weapon
04:13:22 <Steven> i dont remember which step compensates for CI
04:13:44 <Ballig> it's +3
04:13:53 <Steven> nobody can afford a +3 weapon at level 1-2
04:13:56 <Ballig> at +3 it overcomes cold iron and silver
04:14:04 <Ballig> Caleth's character is level 3
04:14:08 <Ballig> level 4 now that he has done that scenario
04:14:10 <Steven> its actually impossible money wise in pfs.
04:14:28 <Ballig> what if he did a bunch of modules and only got 1xp for them, but got full gold !
04:14:31 <BoomerET> What was the name of the module?
04:14:35 <Ballig> prince of augustuna
04:14:38 <Ballig> number 13, I think
04:14:42 <Avatar> season 0
04:14:42 <Ballig> in season 0
04:15:00 <Avatar> sushi took off quickly
04:15:03 <Steven> if you get reduced exp you would get reduced gold.
04:15:11 <Avatar> does anyone know if he planned on running first steps 2 next saturday?
04:15:16 <Ballig> Steven: not necessarily
04:15:25 <Ballig> at least in the previous rules for modules, where each scenario had its own rules
04:15:27 <Ballig> and at least in the one I read
04:15:33 <Ballig> you could technically expect full gold
04:15:56 <Steven> They are all the same now, same rules across tthe board.
04:16:18 <Ballig> basically by showing up to only one session, there were no rules about reduced gold
04:16:22 <Ballig> only reduced xp
04:16:37 <Ballig> but any GM who isn't an idiot would only give you gold for encounters you were there for
04:16:52 <Steven> yeah... i dont play with many idiot GMs
04:17:19 <Steven> Bobby...
04:18:20 <Avatar> sushi are you running first steps 2 next saturday
04:18:43 <MincedSushi> No I'll be running the following week
04:18:58 <MincedSushi> This Sat I got a date :D
04:19:01 <Avatar> yeah saturday after this saturday
04:19:09 <Avatar> same time?
04:19:13 <MincedSushi> Yep
04:19:21 <MincedSushi> so the second
04:19:30 <MincedSushi> 06/02
04:20:06 <MincedSushi> Hopefully I can get the CA kinks worked out. I'll try at length during the week
04:20:11 <Ballig> bring your date in here
04:20:36 <Ballig> you could impress her with your GMing
04:20:45 <SaintCaleth> good aligned weapons also overcome the DR of evil outsiders
04:21:00 <MincedSushi> Heh, we're going to the Strawberry festival. She probably would join us if asked although that's not a first date kind fo thing
04:21:14 <SaintCaleth> and fortunatly it is easier to align your weapon than get a high +
04:21:36 <MincedSushi> I'll wait till the third date to spring the whole "I'm a DM" on her xD
04:22:10 <BoomerET> Is Day Job in core?
04:22:27 <Ballig> it's PFS
04:22:33 <Ballig> do you have any skill ranks in craft or profession?
04:22:50 <Steven> okay ballig, for modules
04:22:52 <BoomerET> Nope
04:22:52 <Steven> Players who do not complete each game session earn
04:22:52 <Steven> 1/3 fewer GP, 1 fewer XP and Prestige Point for each
04:22:52 <Steven> session missed. This also applies to players who join later
04:22:52 <Steven> sessions; they receive 1/3 fewer GP, 1 fewer XP and Prestige
04:22:52 <Steven> Point for each session missed. In both cases, players earn
04:22:52 <Steven> a minimum of 1/3 GP, 1 XP and 1 Prestige Point (or 1/2 XP
04:22:52 <Steven> and 1/2 Prestige Point on the slow advancement track). If
04:22:52 <Steven> a character earns more XP than she needs to reach her
04:22:52 <Steven> next level, she may not choose to switch advancement
04:22:52 <Steven> tracks at the new level earned.
04:23:04 <Ballig> Steven: that's different now then
04:23:14 <Steven> no, thats the new one
04:23:17 <Ballig> right
04:23:22 <Steven> specifically for people missing sessions.
04:23:24 <Ballig> it's different to what it was before, is what I'm saying :p
04:23:44 <Steven> gotta love paizo closing loopholes!
04:23:47 <Steven> lol
04:24:17 <SaintCaleth> you can still get gold and prestige and no XP though
04:24:22 <SaintCaleth> from a scenario
04:24:59 <Steven> alright going to play some D3 now
04:25:24 <Steven> if anyone wants to play with me on d3 ever, my battletag is Steven#1999
04:25:53 <Ballig> my battletag is Awesomeguy#31337
04:26:23 <Steven> ...
04:26:26 <Steven> seriously?
04:27:07 <Steven> not even gonna try a real one
04:27:36 <Ballig> isn't that a real one
04:27:38 <Ballig> what's wrong with it
04:27:52 <Steven> well for one...
04:28:05 <Steven> its got too many numbers in it.
04:28:19 <Avatar> Nocte|Kazour: there are modules that run like that
04:28:20 <Ballig> no it doesn't shut up
04:28:35 <Steven> lol
04:28:44 <Steven> do you even play d3?
04:28:45 <Avatar> if you mean 'one big game' equals 'one level up'
04:28:58 <Ballig> nope
04:29:08 <Steven> didnt think so
04:29:42 <Steven> have a good one
04:32:21 <Nocte|Kazour> Nah. I meant like.
04:32:41 <Nocte|Kazour> 13 encounters scattered around different sessions.
04:33:01 <Nocte|Kazour> Equals one level up.
04:38:41 <MincedSushi> Is there anyway to get past the fame spending limit?
04:38:46 <MincedSushi> other than the trait?
04:39:28 <Ballig> there's a trait?
04:39:30 <MincedSushi> I really don't want to have to wait till fame 18 -_-
04:39:38 <MincedSushi> Yes something about making a diplomacy roll
04:39:39 <Ballig> fame 18 for what? the breastplate?
04:39:40 <SaintCaleth> what trait?
04:39:45 <MincedSushi> At least I tihnk it waas a triat
04:39:49 <MincedSushi> Yes
04:39:54 <SaintCaleth> pretty sure you can't use that in PFS
04:39:56 <Ballig> are you sure that special materials aren't always available?
04:39:57 <Ballig> I think they are
04:40:06 <SaintCaleth> anything but dragonhide
04:40:08 <Ballig> I think dragonhide is the only special material that is fame-restricted
04:40:14 <MincedSushi> Oh good
04:40:25 <MincedSushi> I thought mitril up was~
04:40:25 <BoomerET> Hmm, when did GIMP 2.8 come out?
04:40:29 <MincedSushi> So happy :D
04:41:07 <MincedSushi> Not sure...
04:41:14 <MincedSushi> I haven't used gimp in years
04:42:05 <BoomerET> I needed some custom gfx for a dashboard at work, so I learned it pretty quick.
04:42:40 <BoomerET> Nothing fancy, just some shimmering green thingys.
04:42:48 <MincedSushi> xD
04:43:30 <BoomerET> GIMP was awesome, because I could use each layer as a 'frame' in an animated GIF.
04:45:35 <MincedSushi> I always wanted to learn to do that sort of stuff
04:45:37 <MincedSushi> never did :<
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04:48:16 <Avatar> if it's on a chronicle sheet you have, it's considered always available
04:48:27 <Avatar> which takes precedence over the fame spending limit
04:54:28 <MincedSushi> ??
04:55:10 <MincedSushi> I don't have anything mithril on a chronicle xD
04:55:27 <MincedSushi> And apprently it doesn't matter
04:55:35 <MincedSushi> Which is good to know ^^
04:55:53 <MincedSushi> Means by level 3-4 I should be in decent gear
04:56:08 <Ballig> yeah he's just telling you how to get around the fame-restriction in general
04:56:12 <Ballig> not specifically with a mithral breastplate
04:56:17 <MincedSushi> Oh okay~
04:57:33 <MincedSushi> Anyway I'm off. GOt a 16 hour shift in 6 hours
04:57:49 <MincedSushi> G'night everyone. See you all around
05:03:10 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'm around now.
05:03:18 <Avatar> what time do you want the saturday game
05:03:25 <Mekkis> hmm
05:03:28 <Avatar> I started creating it yestrday and then you buzzed off
05:03:29 <BoomerET> Where does one store his gold while on PFS missions?
05:03:33 <Mekkis> start it at 1pm
05:03:36 <Avatar> BoomerET: back pocket
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05:03:47 <Mekkis> BoomerET, depends: Itzamna has it on his ship
05:03:57 <Mekkis> Grolschmir has it somewhere in Almas
05:04:11 <BoomerET> Well, I certainly can't carry around 10lbs of gold while exploring :)
05:04:22 <Mekkis> Mytiazair doesn't have gold
05:04:28 <Mekkis> all his wealth is in diamonds
05:04:34 <Hydrazine> He uses visa
05:04:43 <Mekkis> platinum?
05:05:43 <BoomerET> Are crossbow bolts considered unusable after using them?
05:06:02 <Mekkis> yes
05:06:15 <Avatar> isn't there a 50% chance to pick them up intact
05:06:22 <Mekkis> yeah
05:06:26 <Mekkis> but I don't bother with that
05:06:32 <Mekkis> I just assume they're gone :S
05:06:44 <Avatar> cmon man, don't tell other people what you do over what the rules say you can do
05:06:54 <Avatar> at least not without differentiating
05:17:10 <Avatar> should I run a high level game on sunday
05:17:56 <Avatar> there is one I have my eye on
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05:19:24 <Avatar> no opinions aye
05:20:15 <BoomerET> No opinion here, I'm going to bed, night all.
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05:23:41 <Avatar> oh shit, we have no game planned for tomorrow
05:23:54 <Avatar> how did that happen
05:24:06 <Avatar> I guess I can run an ad hoc 1-5 one if people show up
05:25:54 <Avatar> better to put down tiers instead of 'new game' when they're almost always new games
05:31:09 <Ballig> yeah that's a leftover from when it used to take us two sessions to finish a scenario
05:36:56 <Avatar> 3 scenarios is about 13 encounters
05:44:45 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, is Jerus 5 yet?
05:45:42 <Avatar> man if he's not, play him on the saturday
06:05:07 <Avatar> the braid got slightly better in qfp 3's chronicle sheet
06:05:28 <Avatar> treated as a 3rd level monk now, so you get the fast movement and unarmed damage bonus
06:05:47 <Avatar> it costs 5200gp though
06:05:53 <Avatar> instead of 3600gp
06:16:36 <Mekkis> hmmm
06:31:17 * Mort- is excited about next Sunday
06:31:27 <Mort-> Do we have enough people though?
06:31:52 <Mort-> Btw morts sort of disabled when it comes to fighting undecd
06:31:55 <Mort-> Undead
06:33:07 <Mort-> Need to reset spell book
07:33:27 <Mekkis> is prototype 2 available for PC?
07:33:47 <mortswishytail> Don't know what it is
07:38:50 <paul_banks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1FRxBVQmYA#t=0m4s
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09:01:30 <Steven> so
09:01:34 <Steven> im back now.
09:01:43 <Brunius> 3 combat-oriented scenarios
09:01:54 <Steven> sorry for everyones bad luck about that.
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09:44:20 <Mekkis> I'm thinking of an archer-type paladin
09:44:29 <Mekkis> I haven't played an archer for quite some time now
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10:45:07 <MekkisScreen> encounter is not always combat
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10:54:58 <Mekkis> yay for connecting a 10mbps printer to a gigabit switch, with 40m of cat6
11:00:45 <Ballig> yeah, players are meant to be rewarded just as much for solving a puzzle or overcoming a roleplay-based encounter as they are for combat
11:00:54 <Ballig> whether they're playing D&D, Pathfinder, organised play, or any other campaign
11:01:28 <Ballig> I used to put a CR on non-combat encounters in SoTo
11:01:44 <Ballig> even though you jerks used to just stoneshape through my puzzles :p
11:03:41 <Mekkis> strange... my laptop at work has a new IP address....
11:06:25 <BoomerET> Why is that strange, leases run out.
11:07:11 <BoomerET> Please tell me you haven't been playing d3 ever since we finished.
11:08:33 <mekkis_tablet> BoomerET: because the laptop's supposed to be in the office at work, which has its own /29
11:11:12 <StevenAFKplayingd3> ...
11:11:16 <StevenAFKplayingd3> yes i have been.
11:23:20 <BoomerET> Wow
11:30:31 <***> Buffer Playback...
11:30:32 <***> Playback Complete.
11:34:13 <StevenAFKplayingd3> yeah, its pretty craazy
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11:42:14 <StevenAFKplayingd3> damn it... found a respendent chest with just me in the game
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11:45:39 <BoomerET> Wow, I'm on the Interwebs in the middle of frakin' nowhere.
11:47:13 <BoomerET> Guess nobody else is :(
11:53:25 <Ballig> :(
11:59:13 <BoomerET> Ballig, what's the good word?
11:59:50 <Ballig> aposiopesis
12:00:36 <Hydrazine> I thought it was pareidolia.
12:00:44 <Ballig> well, see, aposiopesis is when you
12:01:35 <BoomerET> I got permission to play next week!
12:01:36 <Hydrazine> Is it now?
12:02:36 <BoomerET> Hydrazine, did you ever get to AU?
12:02:39 <Ballig> http://www.explosm.net/comics/2770/
12:02:48 <Hydrazine> Once.
12:02:51 <Hydrazine> Brisbane.
12:02:58 <Ballig> I lived in Brisbane
12:02:59 <Ballig> it's decent
12:03:01 <BoomerET> No shit, we did too.
12:03:24 <BoomerET> Spent a couple weeks there doing ops with their special forces (we were a spec-war boat at the time)
12:03:31 <Hydrazine> Heh.
12:03:35 <Hydrazine> We were SUPPOSED to have a week.
12:03:55 <BoomerET> I think they got rid of all the fat and ugly girls, because they were all gorgeous
12:04:00 <Hydrazine> And we ended up pulling out to replace one of their broken boats for some war games.
12:04:13 <BoomerET> (Then again, after being under water for a month will do that to you I guess)
12:04:16 <Hydrazine> So we ended up having two sets of three days. Which is not the same thing at all.
12:04:36 <Hydrazine> No. Its true. They have less fatties.
12:04:48 <BoomerET> I feel for you, were were on 5 duty in NavCenter :)
12:05:17 <Hydrazine> So if you base the overall attractiveness of the American Girl on the assumption that a good number of them are fat, you get at average of lets say 6.
12:05:47 <Hydrazine> So then you take a bunch of those that in Aussieland are carrying less extra weight, and suddenly the average goes up to 8.
12:08:05 <BoomerET> Calling CQ on 40 and getting dipkus :(
12:08:22 <Ballig> bupkis?
12:08:34 <BoomerET> That too, and nada
12:08:37 <Hydrazine> Yeah. Considering the startups and shutdowns. twice. I didn't really get much time out.
12:08:43 <BoomerET> WTF is dipkus?
12:08:54 <Ballig> I think it's like a bupkis but with 50% more dip
12:13:24 <Hydrazine> pareidolia is seeing patterns where there aren't. Like the face of God on a grilled cheese sandwich.
12:14:03 <BoomerET> New rule, every time I finish a module, I go buy it and convert it to use in d20Pro and FGII
12:14:13 <BoomerET> Screw MapTools, somebody else can do that.
12:14:17 <BoomerET> Question: I remember when I played 2e, that magic-users could only cast spells they had in their spellbook but clerics could cast anything, as long as they had it prayed/prepared it. Is this still the case w/ Pathfiner?
12:14:57 <BoomerET> I looked in the core rules, but haven't found it yet.
12:15:12 <BoomerET> Surely this has already been done though, so why am I redoing what has already been done?
12:27:49 <BoomerET> Ok, so I'm new to this PFS, is there anything I need to do on the Paizo site to update things?
12:29:15 <Avatar> nope
12:29:29 <Avatar> the GM will report that you played
12:31:24 <BoomerET> Thanks
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12:34:58 <Hydrazine> Clerics know their entire class spell list. Correct.
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12:37:32 <Hydrazine> A cleric may prepare and cast any spell on the cleric spell list, provided that she can cast spells of that level, but she must choose which spells to prepare during her daily meditation.
12:37:32 <Steven> yo
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12:39:39 <Ballig> BoomerET: all we ask is that you update what you've played on www.pfrpg.com.au/pfs.php5 so we can figure out scenarios easier, but I think you did that from memory
12:39:48 <Ballig> and I'm writing up chronicle sheets now, you'll need to keep those to track your character's progress
12:41:06 <BoomerET> Yes, I clicked the checkmark for yesterday's game, thanks again for allowing me to play.
12:41:40 <BoomerET> Everyone was extremely accepting of my newbness, and family issues.
12:42:17 <Ballig> we've had far more newbness before
12:42:27 <BoomerET> Ok, so same as 2e
12:42:29 <Ballig> it's easy to accommodate as long as the person is willing to put some effort into learning
12:42:33 <BoomerET> Thanks
12:42:38 <Ballig> we have had people play here before who had no idea how to play, but also had no real interest in learning how
12:42:41 <Ballig> but still insisted on wanting to play
12:45:07 <Hydrazine> Here for you man.
12:45:23 <Hydrazine> Us bobbleheads gotta stick together
12:45:42 <Avatar> you bobbleheads
12:45:55 <Hydrazine> If your curious, its in the cleric class stuff, under spells.
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12:54:14 <Nocte|Kazour> Hmm...
12:55:11 <Nocte|Kazour> I'm feeling like learning to GM Pathfinder... What should I try to focus when studying/learning the rules?
12:58:48 <StevenAFKplayingd3> mostly just combat rules
12:59:27 <Avatar> and skills
12:59:58 <Steven> yeah skills, and how people will try to twist them
13:00:12 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder yet
13:00:41 <Nocte|Kazour> Once tried, didn't work that good ;)
13:01:31 <Nocte|Kazour> Anyone else here memorizes better when they have read from a book?
13:01:53 <Nocte|Kazour> BRB.
13:03:01 <Steven> so you havent been able to play pfs?
13:03:10 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeh.
13:03:15 <Nocte|Kazour> Because of timezones.
13:03:19 <Nocte|Kazour> Fuck timezones.
13:03:22 <Nocte|Kazour> And hard.
13:03:25 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
13:03:47 <Steven> i rather like timezones.
13:04:06 <Nocte|Kazour> Meh.
13:04:16 <BoomerET> I live in a timezone, it's nice.
13:04:32 <Steven> I live in one too.
13:04:43 <Steven> high fives!
13:04:44 <Nocte|Kazour> But anyways, who remembers better when they read from a book?
13:04:55 <Nocte|Kazour> have*
13:05:06 <BoomerET> Not sure what you mean. as opposed to reading from a pillow?
13:05:19 <Nocte|Kazour> Reading from your pc screen.
13:05:28 <Nocte|Kazour> Opposed to that.
13:05:58 <Steven> i remember better when i read something book vs computer has nothing to do with it
13:06:26 <Steven> also i have a burrito. it is tasty
13:09:27 <Hydrazine> I memorize better reading. Doesn't matter where.
13:12:10 <Nocte|Kazour> K... Gonna read the PRD Combat section.
13:12:27 <Hydrazine> Read it a bunch. Ask questions.
13:12:52 <Hydrazine> I think these guys are right, in that combat rules and skill checks are when things are gonna pressure you.
13:12:54 <Nocte|Kazour> You can do a little test for me.... And see how good my brain works now.
13:13:29 <Avatar> we had a game here last night
13:13:33 <Avatar> at 9pm your time
13:13:42 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeh.
13:13:46 <Nocte|Kazour> That would been bad.
13:13:47 <Nocte|Kazour> :p
13:13:52 <Avatar> why
13:13:54 <Avatar> not because of timezones
13:14:03 <Nocte|Kazour> +1 hour till cockblock.
13:14:07 <Nocte|Kazour> So yeh.
13:14:19 <Nocte|Kazour> Cockblock read as Connectionblock.
13:14:31 <Avatar> what's connectionblock
13:14:39 <Nocte|Kazour> Blocks your internet access.
13:14:52 <Nocte|Kazour> Mighta talk my dad to remove it for the summer.
13:14:59 <Nocte|Kazour> Its been a year almost.
13:15:02 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
13:15:05 <Avatar> how old are you again
13:15:11 <Nocte|Kazour> I kind of deserved it but yeh.
13:15:14 <Nocte|Kazour> 17.
13:15:20 <Avatar> is it punishment
13:15:25 <Nocte|Kazour> Yup.
13:15:40 <Nocte|Kazour> Stayed up until I had 1 hour left to sleep on school days.
13:15:45 <Nocte|Kazour> And on summer...
13:15:54 <Nocte|Kazour> I went to sleep when others woke up.
13:15:57 <Nocte|Kazour> durin*
13:16:09 * Nocte|Kazour stops failcorrecting himself.
13:16:36 <Nocte|Kazour> So I went to sleep basically at 6-7 and slept till 12.
13:16:46 <Avatar> why does it apply on non-schoolnights
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13:16:59 <Nocte|Kazour> Because I don't have schoolnights :D
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13:17:27 <Nocte|Kazour> No more school for me. At least for a year.
13:17:54 <Nocte|Kazour> BTW Avatar, have you played Ultima games?
13:22:24 <Avatar> that's where the name comes from
13:22:28 <Nocte|Kazour> Heh.
13:22:31 <Nocte|Kazour> Guessed right.
13:23:07 <Nocte|Kazour> Anyways, when does Nonlethal damage become lethal?
13:23:54 <BoomerET> Another question: With all the gold I accumulate, it encumbers me immensely. Is there an understanding that you put your money in a bank, under your bed, in a coffee can buried in the back yard?
13:24:10 <BoomerET> Or at your local lodge, I didn't think of that.
13:25:08 <BoomerET> Or convert it to precious gems, platinum, etc?
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13:26:52 <MincedSushi> What's up guys?
13:27:34 <BoomerET> Hey, maybe a bag of holding?
13:27:38 <BoomerET> Hiya MS
13:28:40 <Steven> ok non lethal damage
13:29:11 <Steven> you can take non lethal damage up to your total hit points at which point you become staggard
13:29:13 <BoomerET> Ug, can't quite afford a bag of holding quite yet.
13:29:44 <Nocte|Kazour> Imagine a woman bitchslapping your character to death.
13:29:46 <Nocte|Kazour> Brutal.
13:30:07 <Steven> then if you can take non lethal up to your con score non lethal damage starts couting a lethal damage
13:30:32 <Steven> so a person with 10con an 20 hit points can take a total of 30 non lethal combat damage
13:30:46 <Steven> or rather just damage, disregard teh combat
13:30:58 <Nocte|Kazour> Ah. That's quite simple.
13:31:00 <Steven> at that point he begins taking lethal damage
13:31:23 <Steven> regardless of what type of damage is being given.
13:31:27 <Nocte|Kazour> How much was unarmed strike again? 1d3 nonlethal?
13:31:46 <Steven> for a person without imp unarmed yes, its 1d3 non lethal that provokes an aoo
13:32:04 <Nocte|Kazour> Aoo?
13:32:12 <Steven> attack of opportunity
13:32:24 <Nocte|Kazour> Oh right.
13:32:25 <Steven> its like if you were to walk up to a black belt and try to punch him
13:32:33 <Steven> chances are hes going to knock you on your ass
13:32:55 <Steven> hes trained, your not.
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13:33:50 <Nocte|Kazour> You know what would be lulzy? Playing a casual game and the people starting out as commoners having to work up till level 4 before being able to gain a PC class.
13:34:32 <Steven> and theres a home brew ide never play.
13:34:46 <Nocte|Kazour> Why not?
13:34:53 <Avatar> someone has to tell him that gold is weightless
13:35:01 <Nocte|Kazour> Not feeling like roleplaying? :p
13:35:27 <Steven> you do know how bad commoner stats are right?
13:35:36 <Nocte|Kazour> I know.
13:35:40 <Nocte|Kazour> That's why I said Lulzy.
13:35:46 <Nocte|Kazour> You would need to work to gain GP.
13:36:13 <Nocte|Kazour> And in general you would need to roleplay more than as a normal adventurer.
13:36:20 <Steven> so lets assume a 20 point buy...
13:36:34 <Nocte|Kazour> :)
13:36:40 <MincedSushi> Nah~
13:36:49 <MincedSushi> It's funnier this way
13:36:58 <Steven> first level max con of 20 dumping all other stats
13:37:10 <Nocte|Kazour> Max score of 18.
13:37:14 <Nocte|Kazour> >.>
13:37:14 <MincedSushi> Besides it's hopw you know he's a second ed. champ
13:37:18 <Nocte|Kazour> is*
13:37:22 * Nocte|Kazour kicks self.
13:37:37 <Steven> max score is not 18... you can buy 18 then add racial mods for a total of 20
13:37:52 <Nocte|Kazour> That would work.
13:38:03 <Nocte|Kazour> Then you would have -2 on one.
13:38:19 <Steven> but that would end up being 11 hit points unless you want to make your favored class commoner which would be 12hp
13:38:43 <Steven> no bab, no increased saves and no class abilities...
13:38:57 <Nocte|Kazour> Work work work! Lovely work!
13:39:02 <Nocte|Kazour> Hah.
13:39:05 <Steven> no armor
13:39:11 <Steven> and proficient in one weapon
13:39:26 <Nocte|Kazour> The GM would be pretty cruel, am I right?
13:39:29 <Steven> so 4 levels of running around gabbing at people...
13:39:43 <Steven> yeah... i like some role play but thats too much.
13:39:47 <Nocte|Kazour> You can make GP with skills if I remember right.
13:40:07 <Nocte|Kazour> With the craft skills.
13:40:39 <Steven> yes a craft skill... which will earn you 1/2 your craft check in money
13:40:50 <Nocte|Kazour> That ain't bad
13:41:37 <Steven> so, level 1 lets say you dumped everything into in for a 20, would be +9, assuming you roll average for dice, 10g a week...
13:41:55 <Nocte|Kazour> 1o
13:41:57 <Nocte|Kazour> ...
13:41:59 <Nocte|Kazour> Damn.
13:42:05 <Nocte|Kazour> 70gp a week.
13:42:11 <Nocte|Kazour> No wait.
13:42:15 * Nocte|Kazour facepalms
13:42:21 * Nocte|Kazour is failing hard.
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13:42:31 <Mort-> Oh
13:42:37 <Avatar> oh
13:43:50 <Steven> so anyways, yeah ide pass that game.
13:44:10 * Mort- wags her tail and waits for a cookie
13:44:47 <Steven> i could see it being a starter campaign where its people growing up and getting their 'starter' gold
13:45:01 <Steven> and however well they do they get more starter gold to start with when they make their actual character
13:45:22 <Nocte|Kazour> Btw, can't you run casual games like 13 encounters (1 for medium and 2 for hard, 1 for social) equals one level up?
13:45:55 <Avatar> except you don't have a tail to wag
13:46:15 <Mort-> Oh sorry
13:46:19 <Steven> is that a question?
13:46:19 <Mort-> Got cookie?
13:46:26 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeah.
13:46:37 <Steven> it reads like a statement.
13:46:59 <Avatar> I don't eat them
13:47:05 <Nocte|Kazour> Just saying, math sucks.
13:47:46 <Steven> but yeah, scenarios basically run like that 1 social encounter, 1 combat, 1 Random, 1 boss per scenario.
13:48:06 <Steven> so usually you end up with anywhere from 12-16 encounters per level.
13:48:50 <Mort-> But you could give me a cookie
13:48:54 <Avatar> hey you need a legal copy of UC at the table to play a pregen gunslinger/ninja/samurai beyond 1st
13:49:12 <Avatar> you live on the other side of the world
13:49:36 <Mort-> Yeah i know
13:49:49 <Steven> so awesome. sams going in to work in around 15 minutes, which means she will get off earlier int he night.
13:49:52 <Mort-> I need a lot of books if i were to play in life
13:49:59 <Mort-> Not too sure how many
13:50:07 <Mort-> I've been. Creative
13:50:38 <Steven> bout 8:15... maybe we will go do someting... who knows.
13:51:10 <MincedSushi> lol
13:51:35 <Nocte|Kazour> How do you feel about crazy homebrewed worlds?
13:51:40 * MincedSushi mails a cookie to your country. They'll sort it out from there right?
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13:51:47 <Nocte|Kazour> (which make no sense)
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13:52:24 <Avatar> with core, APG, UM and UC you're usually pretty set
13:52:31 <Avatar> unless you've been really creative
13:52:36 <Mort-> Ill keep that in mind
13:52:51 <Mort-> The problem is that I'm creative!
13:53:16 <Avatar> sux
13:53:24 <Mort-> :(
13:53:25 <Avatar> you can buy those 4 books as PDF for like $40
13:53:28 <Avatar> all up
13:53:30 <Mort-> Yeah
13:53:38 <Mort-> I guess eventually i should
13:53:49 <MincedSushi> or the hard copy set for like 100 >>
13:53:50 <Mort-> Ive been around for a bit
13:53:54 <Avatar> I just loaded up nethack and I don't remember how to play it fullscreen
13:53:55 <Mort-> No
13:54:01 <Mort-> Save the earth :p
13:54:15 <Mort-> Anyway
13:54:22 <MincedSushi> I do! Witht he power of book beatings!
13:54:25 * Mort- lounges lazily around
13:54:27 <Steven> be back in a bit, im gonna make sam a lunch.
13:55:20 <Steven> im thinking... some left over pasta w/ some sauce i made two days ago, just need to cook smoe vegitables... be back in a bit!
13:55:32 <MincedSushi> Making my magus now :D
13:55:50 <Mort-> Lol
13:55:58 <Mort-> Dex or str build
13:56:14 <Mort-> Dex gets you higher ac
13:56:30 <Mort-> But i hate being tied to one weapon
13:57:07 <Mort-> I need a scroll of grease...
13:57:17 <Mort-> Or a few
13:57:34 <MincedSushi> Not usre
13:57:41 <MincedSushi> I'm looking at the class now
13:57:49 <MincedSushi> It'sw the first time I've seriously looked at it
13:58:05 <Mort-> Light armor till 7
13:58:10 <Mort-> Remember that?
13:58:12 <Mort-> !
13:58:43 <MincedSushi> I always wear light armor so that's no issue
13:58:43 <Mort-> After that you can go get yourself a set of mithril full plate
13:59:05 <Mort-> Id get the heaviest armor i could find
13:59:07 <MincedSushi> I'm really concerned with this group and your obsession with ac
13:59:08 <Mort-> Personally
13:59:21 <Mort-> Its me for you :p
13:59:22 <Mort-> Be nice
13:59:27 <MincedSushi> <3
13:59:35 <Mort-> Lets put it this way
13:59:48 <Mort-> How much does your barb do on a successful hit
13:59:51 <Mort-> With pa
14:00:07 <Mort-> Lets not factor in rage
14:00:10 <MincedSushi> on average 17
14:00:18 <MincedSushi> then 14
14:00:23 <Mort-> How much do you have as a level 1
14:00:31 <MincedSushi> 17
14:00:31 <Mort-> Hp
14:00:34 <Mort-> 10?
14:00:35 <MincedSushi> 14
14:00:50 <MincedSushi> 14hp 17 ac
14:00:51 <Mort-> Lets say you aren't a barb
14:00:54 <Mort-> 10 is a pretty good estimate
14:00:57 <Mort-> Or 12
14:00:59 <MincedSushi> generally
14:00:59 <Mort-> Maybe
14:01:03 <Mort-> Say you're a fighter
14:01:04 <MincedSushi> 10 sounds right
14:01:09 <Mort-> 1 hit splat?
14:01:15 <MincedSushi> nah~
14:01:22 <Mort-> So why is it not a better idea not to get hit?
14:01:26 <MincedSushi> as a level one 2-3 hits is splat
14:01:37 <MincedSushi> Becaus eif I go splat I go splat
14:01:41 <MincedSushi> but I was awesome doing it
14:01:44 <Mort-> If you are faced with a barb
14:01:49 <MincedSushi> Ac is never bad
14:01:56 <Mort-> One hit of his great sword and you go down
14:02:04 <Mort-> I rather not get hit thanks
14:02:07 <MincedSushi> Just not the godly thing people think it is
14:02:18 <Mort-> Ok now you're surrounded by mooks
14:02:28 <Mort-> They have say +3 to hit
14:02:38 <Mort-> Do 1d4+1 damage
14:02:45 <Mort-> 3 average per hit
14:02:48 <MincedSushi> If I'm not tanky why am I in that situation?
14:02:58 <Mort-> Clw is 1d8+1
14:03:02 <Mort-> Channeling is 1d6
14:03:16 <Mort-> How long can your hp pool take it?
14:03:29 <MincedSushi> on an average ac of 15?
14:03:37 <MincedSushi> 3-4 rounds
14:03:52 <MincedSushi> Which is long enough for me to kill them
14:03:55 <MincedSushi> or do worse
14:03:58 <Mort-> 3 mooks
14:04:01 <MincedSushi> yes
14:04:09 <Mort-> We shall see :)
14:04:14 <Mort-> As we go along ^^
14:04:21 <MincedSushi> Yes :D
14:04:41 <Mort-> Oh fun part
14:04:55 <Mort-> Why you should not end your turn next to a monster
14:05:09 <Mort-> Monster does 3 attacks at a +3 to hit you
14:05:19 <Mort-> For 1d4+1 damage
14:05:24 <Avatar> why at a +3
14:05:27 <Mort-> And he has a buddy. Who flanks you
14:05:33 <Mort-> Say its a small monster
14:05:41 <Mort-> That has a bite claw claw
14:05:59 <Mort-> I think an eagle would do fine for that description
14:06:08 <Mort-> Level 1 monsters
14:06:48 <MincedSushi> Man mort you l;vl 1 monsters are brutal
14:06:56 <MincedSushi> At most they should have +2
14:07:08 <MincedSushi> moks generally get +1 at best too xD
14:07:19 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/eagle/summoned-creature-eagle
14:07:26 <Mort-> ^^
14:07:36 <Mort-> Cr 1/2
14:07:58 <MincedSushi> Hp of 5
14:08:03 <Mort-> Yeah
14:08:04 <MincedSushi> he's dead or disabled before I care
14:08:09 <MincedSushi> :P
14:08:09 <Mort-> Probably
14:08:21 <Mort-> They are meant to provide flanks
14:08:24 <Mort-> Actually
14:08:34 <MincedSushi> Sleep spell :D
14:08:41 * MincedSushi dances
14:08:42 <Mort-> Uh that too
14:08:47 <Mort-> 1 round casting time
14:08:52 <MincedSushi> So?
14:08:57 <MincedSushi> It's an amazing spell!
14:08:57 * Mort- wags her tail a bit
14:09:00 <Mort-> Yeah
14:09:03 <MincedSushi> worth it~
14:09:38 * Mort- can't cast it
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14:10:41 <Mort-> K walking home
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14:12:52 <Nocte|Kazour> Just fun, my chrome flash videos act like they are in 3D.
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14:21:40 <BoomerET> Crap, what did I miss?
14:22:11 <MincedSushi> Not much
14:22:18 <Avatar> your gold is weightless
14:22:22 <Avatar> you don't need a bag of holding
14:22:29 <MincedSushi> Damnit AVatar!
14:22:30 <Steven> although they are super useful.
14:22:34 <MincedSushi> :<
14:22:56 <Steven> not quite as useful as a handy haversack, but still pretty useful.
14:23:07 <MincedSushi> Pay no attention to the men behind the screen!
14:23:43 <Steven> sams home, goin afk
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14:28:23 <Avatar> Nocte|Kazour: there are modules that run like that
14:28:49 <Avatar> if you mean 'one big game' equals 'one level up'
14:32:25 <Nocte|Kazour> Nah. I meant like.
14:32:45 <Nocte|Kazour> 13 encounters scattered around different sessions.
14:33:05 <Nocte|Kazour> Equals one level up.
14:36:11 <Avatar> yeah I prefer handy haversacks any day
14:41:43 <BoomerET> Just read the description, sounds a whole lot better, and it's cheaper too.
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15:37:00 <Avatar> 3 scenarios is about 13 encounters
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16:19:43 * Mort- appears
16:19:58 * Nocte|Kazour pokes Mort with a long stick
16:20:20 * Mort- cries
16:20:24 <Mort-> Your mean
16:20:26 <Mort-> Oh well
16:20:46 <Mort-> Once i got a pokeball thrown at me
16:20:47 <Mort-> It happens
16:20:57 <Nocte|Kazour> Ha.
16:21:00 <Mort-> Right. 2 anti plague. 2 anti poison
16:21:23 <Mort-> 1 scroll of what must not be said. Should i get a scroll of levitate?
16:22:25 <Mort-> Also what else should i get
16:22:27 <Mort-> Tanglefoot bags?
16:22:31 <Mort-> Or just forget it
16:22:48 <Mort-> Oh yes. Holy water.
16:22:58 <Mort-> Never leave the house without holy water
16:23:56 <Mort-> Grease
16:23:56 <Mort-> But should give it to someone else
16:25:00 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+12
16:25:00 <diebot> Mort-, 1d20+12: [1d20=11] 23
16:25:25 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+20
16:25:26 <diebot> Mort-, 1d20+20: [1d20=13] 33
16:25:35 <Mort-> Mmph
16:26:56 <Steven> potion of fly probably better
16:28:49 <Mort-> I won't get pot of fly
16:28:52 <Mort-> Scroll maybe
16:29:01 <Mort-> But so expensive
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16:33:12 <mortswishytail> Oh well
16:33:13 <mortswishytail> Back
16:35:01 * mortswishytail purrs
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16:40:01 <Steven> the thing is pots can be given to people who were too dumb to pick one up
16:48:37 <Mekkis> Steven, and this is a good thing?
16:49:49 <Mort-> Ill just fly them
16:49:55 <Mort-> If they need
16:50:54 <Avatar> yeah but that loses you your turn
16:52:26 <Mort-> You give your pot to someone
16:52:34 <Mort-> Also loses you your turn
16:52:43 <Mort-> Hey I'm on budget!
16:52:53 <Mort-> Oh yes. Clw pot :p
16:53:36 <Mort-> Oil of daylight i can understand. Like how would you read a scroll in darkness?
16:55:13 <Avatar> you can give a pot to them well beforehand
16:55:26 <Steven> exactly like avatar said
16:55:27 <Avatar> you're on a budget with your spells per day too
16:56:06 <Mort-> No way
16:56:11 <Mort-> They can live with scrolls
16:56:29 <Steven> if im rocking 4 pots of fly i can give one to anybody who doesnt have one well before hand
16:56:35 <Mort-> I'm not buying a fly pot for other people to use
16:56:45 <Mort-> I'm not rich
16:56:48 <Mort-> Period
16:57:02 <Avatar> they could save your life
16:57:08 <Mort-> A scroll will work for fly
16:57:13 <Avatar> is your life not worth a potion of fly
16:57:16 <Mort-> I'm not handing out pots
16:57:29 <Mort-> I won't
16:57:33 <Avatar> give them instructions on when to use it
16:57:36 <Mort-> Not until I'm 8 or something
16:57:44 <Mort-> Its too early for me
16:57:49 <Mort-> To hand out pots
16:58:25 <Steven> let her go avatar. just remind me not to hand anything out to her. People who dont want to share dont deserve to get shared with.
16:58:40 <Mort-> I share lots of things
16:58:48 <Mort-> Fly pots aren't one of them
17:07:40 <Mort-> Avatar
17:07:49 <Mort-> Does buck hand out potions of fly?
17:08:17 <Mort-> Or hitomi for that matter?
17:16:43 <Avatar> no, can't afford it
17:16:48 <Avatar> he has one on him
17:17:06 <Avatar> and he hands it out if someone else needs to fly
17:17:11 <Avatar> that's just good cooperation
17:20:22 <Mort-> See?
17:20:39 <Mort-> So why do you think i can afford it
17:20:42 <Mort-> I'm only 6
17:20:45 <Mort-> You're 8
17:21:09 <Mort-> So you hand out a potion of fly
17:21:38 <Mort-> What is the difference of me pulling out a fly scroll and granting someone else the ability to fly
17:22:16 <Mort-> And you say i am being selfish?
17:22:50 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has a scroll of raise dead
17:23:03 <Mekkis> Avatar, what about handing out potions of lesser restoration?
17:23:41 <Mort-> Lesser restoration i can understand why you want potions of it
17:23:47 <Mort-> And ill get those
17:23:52 <Mort-> But fly?
17:24:09 <Mekkis> would you hand them out to a person who was too lazy to buy their own?
17:24:11 <Mort-> A potion of fly when you can cast the spell?
17:24:24 <Mort-> Lesser restoration yes
17:24:32 <Mort-> Fly no. I would scroll him to fly
17:24:53 <Mekkis> really?
17:25:02 <Mekkis> that's rewarding someone who isn't prepared!
17:25:12 <Mort-> I scrolled you before mek
17:25:28 <Mekkis> lesser restoration, I mean
17:25:28 <Mort-> Perhaps it was a waste of resources
17:25:32 <Mort-> But i still did it
17:25:34 <Mort-> As in fly
17:25:51 <Mort-> A scroll of fly costs more then a pot of lesser restoration
17:26:18 <Mort-> I see no reason why i would not do it
17:26:42 <Mort-> I even offer everyone my anti poison and anti plague
17:27:27 <Mort-> Not all of us happen to be rich like folnor and have 20 k gp to spend on a ring of invisibility
17:27:52 <Mort-> So i do not see anyone having any right of calling me selfish because i don't hand out potions of fly
17:28:01 <Mort-> Why should i when i can use the scroll itself
17:28:28 <Mekkis> Mort-, I'm talking potions of lesser restoration
17:28:41 <Mort-> I would
17:28:52 <Mort-> Which I'm going to get some now
18:08:42 <Mort-> Oh and i have a speech to make tomorrow
18:08:49 * Mort- sighs
18:08:56 <Mort-> Or not
18:09:03 <Mort-> A time to preach!
18:09:05 <Mort-> :d
18:26:51 <Avatar> Mekkis: yeah, they can give you a new one later
18:29:44 <Avatar> having them stuck with a low str or con or whatever is much worse
18:37:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Hmm. What are you talking about?
18:41:48 <Avatar> giving a party member a potion of lesser restoration if they need one
18:42:06 <Avatar> rather than "not rewarding them for not preparing"
18:43:00 <Avatar> punishing party members like that isn't healthy, either for the characters or for the players
19:01:34 <Steven> so
19:01:37 <Steven> im back now.
19:01:46 <Brunius> 3 combat-oriented scenarios
19:01:58 <Steven> sorry for everyones bad luck about that.
19:09:05 <Steven> or a potion of fly
19:09:20 <Steven> or basically anything that you have to shell gold out for
19:16:00 <Steven> I view it like this. Folnor isnt great at damaging foes. He has never really had to upgrade armor because it would cost a lot to see any benefit off of it at all, instead he bought a ring of invisibility. He has had a lot of gold and so he spends it getting random items that help wierd situations.
19:16:52 <Steven> well if there is a flying creature and its wrecking the party, he brings out a potion of fly and puts it in the barbarians pocket and then tells the barb to check his pocket.
19:17:14 <Steven> well look at that, barb drinks the pot, goes and wrecks the face of the flying creature
19:17:44 <Steven> combat ends and people hopefully dont have to kick in for a rez dead to the tune of 1k gold
19:18:31 <Steven> cost of rez minus cost of potion of fly equals money saved for folnor.
19:19:30 <Steven> some people dont like that logic because they think, well if the other person had spent it then i wouldnt have to, but at the same time those characters are the ones that have to spend money on better armor and better weapons.
19:19:52 <Steven> which increase their survivability and damaging capabilities
19:20:53 <Steven> and makes combat easier, shorter, and usually less expensive in curatives after the fight.
19:21:44 <Steven> but hell, thats crazy talk, we should all just be stingy and disregard those Pathfinder tenants.
19:24:36 <Mort-> You can't cast fly
19:24:42 <Mort-> That's why you do it that way
19:24:56 <Mort-> Mort would take scroll out and cast fly on barb
19:24:58 <Mort-> So?
19:25:03 <Mort-> Result is the same
19:25:33 <Steven> and if you're unconcious from some flying creature, good luck getting the barb in the air. Potions>scrolls 90% of the time.
19:27:04 <Mort-> If you have a nice stash
19:27:12 <Mort-> I do not so the point is moot
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20:02:04 <Nocte|Kazour> Hmm.
20:02:28 <Nocte|Kazour> Why can't you find the Pathfinder RPG pantheon on PRD?
20:02:39 <Avatar> the what?
20:03:02 <Nocte|Kazour> The gods. Pantheon means collection of gods, you should know this word.
20:03:38 <Avatar> the gods aren't part of the OGL
20:03:42 <Nocte|Kazour> Sucks.
20:03:55 <Nocte|Kazour> Can't play cleric without Core Rulebook.
20:04:05 <Avatar> yeah it's a bit dumb
20:04:13 <Nocte|Kazour> Unless you homebrew it.
20:04:13 <Avatar> I think you technically can without worshipping a god
20:04:16 <Nocte|Kazour> And do casual.
20:04:22 <Nocte|Kazour> Yeh.
20:04:31 <Nocte|Kazour> You can do it.
20:04:46 <Nocte|Kazour> You just need to follow some sort of philosophy or something.
20:04:53 <Nocte|Kazour> That gives the cleric powers.
20:05:08 <Nocte|Kazour> If I remember right.
20:06:25 <Nocte|Kazour> Or is it different in Pathfinder?
20:06:59 <Avatar> no idea, I've never done it myself
20:08:06 <Avatar> http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Portal%3AReligion
20:08:27 <Avatar> that probably has everything you need
20:08:49 <Nocte|Kazour> Wait.
20:08:56 <Nocte|Kazour> There are dead deities in Pathfinder?
20:08:57 <Nocte|Kazour> Hah.
20:10:30 <Avatar> man I opened nethack at midday and it's been open since then and I still haven't created a character
20:11:01 <Nocte|Kazour> O.o
20:11:09 <Nocte|Kazour> Play it already.
20:11:11 <Nocte|Kazour> -.-'
20:11:39 <Avatar> you play it already
20:11:52 * Nocte|Kazour yawns.
20:12:25 <Nocte|Kazour> Somehow reading some DM's stories about dumb players makes me laugh out loud.
20:13:26 <Avatar> there's some on the site
20:14:59 <Nocte|Kazour> I mean, a player wanting to burn down a dungeon's walls while they are in [b]that[/b] level of the dungeon.
20:15:07 <Nocte|Kazour> Classic.
20:15:28 <MekkisScreen> heh
20:15:42 <Nocte|Kazour> Ever happened to you guys?
20:15:52 <Avatar> ours are much worse
20:16:38 <MekkisScreen> the player who played a vampire, cast detect evil, then attacked everyone because undead detect as evil
20:16:51 <Nocte|Kazour> :p
20:23:35 <Avatar> I have completely forgotten how to play nethack
20:24:46 <Avatar> killed my pet by accident just as I hit level 2
20:25:10 <Nocte|Kazour> Hah.
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20:45:11 <MekkisScreen> encounter is not always combat
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20:55:15 <mungbean> & stay out
20:55:42 <Mort-> Ah
20:55:57 <Mort-> A couple of crab shells flying around earlier
20:56:01 <Mort-> And dinner is done
20:56:44 <Mort-> And my brother says I'm an uncivilized barbarian after he was the one sending most of the crab shells flying around
20:57:05 <Mort-> I didn't even hit him with splash shell damage
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20:59:02 <Mort-> He tried to sunder the crab pincers to get the meat inside and sent shell flying all over
20:59:27 <Mort-> Also i pointed out to him that which barb would be 5'1
21:00:49 <Ballig> yeah, players are meant to be rewarded just as much for solving a puzzle or overcoming a roleplay-based encounter as they are for combat
21:00:58 <Ballig> whether they're playing D&D, Pathfinder, organised play, or any other campaign
21:01:32 <Ballig> I used to put a CR on non-combat encounters in SoTo
21:01:48 <Ballig> even though you jerks used to just stoneshape through my puzzles :p
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22:58:38 <Mort-> Oh
23:04:22 <Avatar> oh
23:04:57 <Mekkis> ah
23:08:08 * Mort- takes out a clove of garlic and a stake
23:16:30 <Avatar> you say you are but you're not really
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