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03:05 <electrohead> o/
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23:22 <rust_collector> no no, I wanted pizza HERE, not on irc
24:14 <rust_collector> time for a nap, I think. have fun
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33:42 <hsn> rust_collector: enjoy
35:07 <hsn> We have batmam here
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36:21 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FKm5mZdNvVgjna9n7
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58:31 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy, rusty
58:33 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn
58:52 <hsn> Hi mr Ysjoelfir
59:30 <Kuschelpony> Friday afternoon, weekend wishes
59:35 <hsn> How is u how is kyle? I think i missed the name
22:50 <Ysjoelfir> who is kyle? :D
23:26 <T3sl4> hi kaile
25:11 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
27:07 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, just had a phonecall with a potential future employer/workmate at that employer. nice guy, been working with altium for ages, and was like "I wanted to ask you if you can show me some basics. you know, we had applications from people that couldn't even create a schematic symbol". I was like "sure, I can show you everything you want, but would you mind if I show you this *pcb of some nice project* and that *schematic of anot
27:07 <Ysjoelfir> project* first?"
27:52 <T3sl4> heh
27:57 <Ysjoelfir> silence at the telephone, and we decided to have a chat about lifechoices and annoying customers for the remaining 52 minutes of the 1 hour meeting call xD
28:05 <T3sl4> but i thought you loved your, thing you're using right now!
28:36 <Ysjoelfir> I always love my things
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32:18 <K> Ysjoelfir, the pcb house job or something else?
32:37 <coppice> extended conversations about how annoying customers can be are really annoying
34:24 <Ysjoelfir> yep, the one at the PCB manufacturer thing
34:26 <Ysjoelfir> K
35:12 <K> i see
35:28 <K> looks like you will get the place, yes?
36:16 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least the engineer I talked with was very happy with my skills
36:31 <Ysjoelfir> how good that would be for me - I don't know :D
36:37 <K> is the pay ok?
36:54 <Ampera> good morning beautiful assholes
37:08 <K> no u
37:45 <Ampera> I doubt I'm beautiful, more hideously ugly and disgusting, but the asshole bit I'd find it harder to deny.
38:05 <Ysjoelfir> That is up for discussion. Mr. potential boss was not happy when I told him that I expect him to compensate for the losses I would have when I quit my freelancing, as he doesn't want me to do it while I work there (which is kind of expected, as I could potentially snag customers from them and lead them to my freelancing...)
38:24 <Ampera> also hi TheDude, how are things down there?
38:28 <Ysjoelfir> Hi sweetheart
39:37 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you must either have been given an insult of a starting salary, or you must be making a /lot/ in freelance work
40:07 <Ysjoelfir> or I am just smart and tell them higher numbers than what I got before 0:-)
40:24 <Ysjoelfir> which would be close to your first suggestion
41:22 <Ysjoelfir> but demanding 3900 for the regular job (I now get 3750) and top that up with 600 for the freelance is actually not that far off.
41:26 <Ampera> I find it creepy that employers ask how much you want to make.
41:30 <TheDude> hello
41:31 <Ampera> How much money do I want? I want all the fucking money.
41:38 <TheDude> quite alright
41:44 <Ysjoelfir> I agree. which is why I tend to tell higher numbers^^
41:48 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, 3900, monthly?
41:53 <Ysjoelfir> yes
41:56 <Ysjoelfir> before tax
42:09 <Ampera> alright that's not bad, I make around 2600/4 weeks after tax
42:39 <Ysjoelfir> thats roughly what I get now. a bit more.
42:47 <Ysjoelfir> (excluded the freelancing)
42:51 <Ampera> I didn't go sky high with them, I told them 40k, which I thought would have been really fucking impressive
42:58 <Ampera> as minimum wage is almost half that here
43:15 <Ampera> they gave it to me, and then gave me 5k more when I got brought on full time
43:20 <TheDude> I'll pop back in, need to restart
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43:36 <Ysjoelfir> thats not bad
43:40 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, not to be on about money, but for an EE that sounds kinda low
43:47 <Ampera> we have QA people here that make twice what I do
44:06 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, it is. its not high at all.
44:11 <Ampera> that being said, I forget if Germany ends up being more or less expensive to live in.
44:33 <Ampera> I know you guys have cheap food, and maybe affordable rent, but your energy costs are bullshit, and you have sky high taxes
45:30 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, for me its high, as its the most I ever got, but for an EE, especially in international comparison, its nothing. Also, rent is pretty high where I live. cheap rent is only available far from the cities - where no jobs are available.
45:50 <Ysjoelfir> and I just learned that germany is the country with the most taxes in the world.
45:52 <Ysjoelfir> great.
46:07 <Ysjoelfir> I thought at least the nordish people were "better" in that regard
46:14 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, for a metro area of a million (here that's four counties, I know you guys have a similar between state and city construct) what would you say a good sized 1 room (not counting kitchenette+bathroom) would cost/mo
46:53 <Ampera> Taxes very significantly in the US, I live in a somewhat high tax state, but we have some bleed you dry states like Connecticut.
47:07 <Ysjoelfir> ~600 to 800 at this time
47:19 <Ampera> huh, that's about what it is here
47:25 <Ampera> I mean ours is in USD, so a chunk less
47:32 <Ampera> but my mom pays on the lower end of that for hers
48:00 <Ysjoelfir> that is, however, including water, heating, trash,
48:02 <Ysjoelfir> .
48:09 <Ampera> Water here is not metered
48:17 <Ampera> I couldn't tell you what trash is
48:25 <Ampera> and heating is a common inclusion
49:07 <Ysjoelfir> you have to add electricity (which is freaking expensive), TV/Inet and probably stuff like housekeeping fees, garage fees, whatever to that.
50:27 <Ysjoelfir> we are actually very lucky with out three room 76m² apartment at the rim of the big city, paying only 800 + electricity (~100/mo), internet (40), TV (free, because satelite) and garage (80)
54:33 <Ampera> mmm, F2A sat
54:47 <Ampera> I do plan to install a TV antenna on my new house so we can get something nice for F2A
55:03 <Ampera> it's not impossible, but you're gonna not get a lot of shit
55:19 <Ampera> as I barely, if ever, watch TV, it's not a huge deal, and I like the idea of having a roof antenna in general
56:41 <Ysjoelfir> I don't watch TV either, but mrs. Ysjoelfir does sometimes.
57:28 <Ampera> Here if I wanted something like a 3 room I'd be looking at something like 800-1000 USD
57:46 <Ampera> my mom's apartment is in a bit of a shitty building that is one knob and tube away from bursting into flames
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03:21 <TheDude> sup
07:00 <Ampera> morning
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10:58 <rust_collector> mooooooorning
11:42 <Kuschelpony> good evening
13:01 <rust_collector> hi mr pony
17:59 <rust_collector> it is sort of hard to sleep on the couch, when you have a small dog trying to balance on your head
20:27 <Kuschelpony> im pretty sure that can be solved with duct tape
20:38 <Kuschelpony> you know, if it moves but shouldnt....
20:51 <Kuschelpony> (the dog... not the head)
20:54 * T3sl4 squirts Kuschelpony with WD40
21:17 <Kuschelpony> well... i move already more than most people can handle :)
22:33 * K puts a handle on Kuschelpony
24:15 <T3sl4> a pony in a convenient carrying case?
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37:36 <rust_collector> tht reminds me of the cat handle, lol
37:57 <T3sl4> ^
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07:53 <rust_collector> time to go, have fun
08:31 <K> meanwhile - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKQs8uSmOMs
15:36 <T3sl4> hah
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24:11 <arch> T3sl4, if you have an android, check out this software called phyphox. all sorts of fucking dope as hell physics experiments using your phone's sensors
24:24 <T3sl4> neat
24:26 <arch> magnetometer, spectrum analyzer, etc
24:33 <arch> light sensor, pressure sensor
24:40 <arch> even has FFT charts and logging capabilities
24:53 <T3sl4> audio spec i assume
25:04 <arch> https://phyphox.org/
25:21 <arch> buncha smart as fuck university students made it
26:38 <arch> yeah obviously audio spectrum limitation, but still, that's handy for, idk, finding an annoying noise source that you can't locate with your ears alone
27:07 <arch> or seeing if your power supply is making audible noise up to the 20kHz-ish region
27:26 <coppice> a bunch of people working on sensor hubs in phones made something like that about 8 or 10 years ago
27:35 <arch> it's open source too, and has a very nice UI
27:40 <arch> coppice, but the UI most likely sucked
27:46 <arch> this is some top notch, polished UI
29:57 <arch> i have LineageOS without google apps installed, and use the F-Droid repo instead. it's wonderful how much scientific apps there are on there.
30:35 <arch> development apps, fking BASIC emulators, and other programming language emulators, vim editor, etc etc
31:49 <arch> i wonder if it's possible to port KiCAD to android...you can make your PCBs on the go :D
32:09 <arch> on a 5 inch screen, and mess up your eyes, but would be very cool
32:47 <arch> it should def be possible on the Librem phone, but im not gonna pay for that overpriced phone
34:08 <K> byee
34:22 <T3sl4> i once saw a kid playing some kind of tile puzzle game that looked to basically be solving PCB routing on a grid
36:59 <coppice> T3sl4: there are plenty of "find a pathway" games that are similar to PCB routing
37:12 <T3sl4> yeah, that
38:51 <arch> better than playing candy crush. that stuff is poison for the mind.
39:21 <coppice> don't say that. you'll make the birds angry
44:17 <Kuschelpony> hmm, could that game have been "Loopz"
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45:21 <Nothing\> man, it's depressing when the housing market's so fucked up that CHURCHES are being sold to be dividide up into residential apartments
45:50 <Nothing\> actually what's more depressing
46:06 <Nothing\> i just found out today, they're shutting down and demolishing the arecibo observatory
46:44 <Nothing\> apparently one cable snapped and somehow punched a 30 meter hole in the reflector dish, then another cable snapped shortly after that damaging the dish more
47:22 <Nothing\> they deemed it's unsafe to even repair it for historical preservation, much less to get it functional again
47:43 <Nothing\> i almost shed a tear over that
48:44 <Nothing\> i remember hearing that seti@home was shutting down a few months ago. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.
49:17 <Nothing\> i know 20 years ago at least the data from that came from arecibo
54:22 <Nothing\> well according to this calculalator a .700 caliber round is a mere 0.017cm wide
54:34 <Nothing\> methinks they fucked up their decimal places
55:05 <Nothing\> but it says a 700 caliber is 17cm
55:56 <Nothing\> i guess it'd be .70 cal, but that's the problem, when you're talking about numbers coming after the decimal point, trailing zeroes are meaningless so this is not a very well thought out calculator
56:14 * Nothing\ likes talking to himself
56:31 <Nothing\> you guys are like my livejournal
01:51 <Nothing\> ugh what sadist came up with ASMR videos of cats eating
01:57 <Nothing\> that's just disgusting
02:14 <Nothing\> make an ASMR video of a cat puking, might as well
37:42 <Ysjoelfir> I'm happy to be your livejournal
38:02 <Ysjoelfir> also, I'm happy about the fish I just grilled on a salt plate
38:49 <Nothing\> lol nice
39:00 <Nothing\> i never liked eating whole fish cuz fish bones scare me
40:01 <Nothing\> man, the other day i got a sushi plate from the grocery store. just one of those bento boxes. and my cats were happily sharing some with me, when I noticed one of my california rolls had 2 pieces of salmon on it (it's the kitties' lucky day)
40:08 <Ysjoelfir> this is fish filet
40:13 <Nothing\> when I took it off, I saw why they put 2 pieces on
40:22 <Nothing\> the piece below the second piece was full of bones
40:40 <Nothing\> not only that, but they were tiny bones going vertically through the meat
40:40 <Ysjoelfir> lol
40:58 <Nothing\> so as soon as you bit into it, you'd get tiny shards of fish bones in your gums
41:09 <Nothing\> if you didn't swallow them and suffer complications
41:20 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
41:34 <Nothing\> chubbyemu did a video not too long ago about a guy who ate a fish bone that wound up in his pancreas and almost killed him
41:51 <Nothing\> he does medical case reports, so they're all totally legit stories
42:01 <Nothing\> i dunno if he's a doctor, or still in medschool
42:11 <Ysjoelfir> I once ate salmon, cooked on a plank of wood that was just leaned against a fence which had a bonfire burning under it. that was most likely the tastyest fish I ever ate in my life.
42:25 <Nothing\> no shit?
42:45 <Ysjoelfir> yes. Tried to replicate it when we went on vacation to norway this year, but I had no luck trying to catch sopmething. well, except some algae
42:51 <Nothing\> well i guess wood has all of those oils and volatiles in it that boil off when you heat it
42:58 <Nothing\> so your food takes on the taste of the wood
43:07 <Nothing\> or charcoal if you've made charcoal out of it
43:21 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, try cooking on a charcoal bbq
43:30 <Nothing\> it gives the meat a nice woody flavor
43:43 <Nothing\> well, not so much woody
43:45 <Nothing\> but smokey
43:57 <Nothing\> or you can always try smoking meats
44:04 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to, but my landlordladybitch is a bitch and forbid charcoaling. so I have to use my gas grill, which is ok, but lacks the smoke flavour
44:09 <Nothing\> hickory's damn good, or you can't go wrong with mesquite
44:18 <Nothing\> aww that sucks
44:45 <Nothing\> yeah they won't even let us use bbqs here cuz they're townhouses (if you're familiar with what those are) so the units ar all close together
44:59 <Nothing\> i can never remember where you come from, i wanna say norway cuz of the name
45:16 <Nothing\> i know i've saidit before but it always reminds me of the ygdrasil
46:10 <Ysjoelfir> a bit more south. germanistan is it :P
46:21 <Nothing\> ah that's right
46:28 <Nothing\> cuz i told you about my family
46:44 <Nothing\> lol i even have german family in peru, moved there after the war
46:52 <Nothing\> i always wondered about the specifics
46:55 <Ysjoelfir> would love to be in norway, but meh. can't find a job right now, so no money, no time, bla.
46:57 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
47:07 <Nothing\> and apparently my one uncle was an SS officer or something
47:39 <Nothing\> my grandfather was in the hitler youth after he was forced to move from czecheslovakia to germany
48:14 <Nothing\> and when my grandmother was moved from yugoslavia, apparently they were attacked by a plane on the way and one of the women was eviscerated
48:42 <Nothing\> neither of them talked about the war much, which is a shame cuz i was always curious about their wartime experience
49:10 <Nothing\> apparently they beat the piss out of my grandfather cuz they were looking for one of his cousins or something
49:40 <Nothing\> so it looks like i had family who both embraced the nazis and weren't too fond of them
50:50 <Ysjoelfir> I can immagine that to be pretty difficult
51:28 <Nothing\> yeah, i mean knowing my uncle, i couldn't see him committing war crimes
51:42 <Nothing\> my uncle being my grandfather's brother, the SS officer
51:52 <Nothing\> i've gotta wonder how many did it for survival
52:00 <Nothing\> or how many bought into the propaganda
52:07 <Nothing\> or if it caused a rift among the family
52:18 <Nothing\> i'm sure it did cuz i've got german family all over
52:34 <Nothing\> peru, calgary, here near toronto, germany
53:12 <Nothing\> i'm surprised none of them went to kitchener, which at the time was called new berlin
53:17 <Nothing\> or at least before the war it was
53:36 <Nothing\> it has a strong german population and large german section of the city
53:49 <Nothing\> funnily enough it has a lot of poles too
54:13 <Nothing\> lol my landlord there was polish. So I always joked with my Mom that we should take the house as our own.
54:52 <Nothing\> that whole place was super ethnic
55:14 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
55:18 <Nothing\> my roommates ranged from chinese, bangladeshi, persian, indian, polish, canadian
55:48 <Nothing\> the chinese guys always had live crabs in the sink for their dinner
56:35 <Nothing\> and the persian guy was always sharing his food with me. it was quite different from indian food.
56:43 <Nothing\> much less strongly spiced
56:57 <Nothing\> lol the one day he made us all curried goat's testicles
57:25 <Nothing\> which basically tasted like fleshy european dumplings. The kind with flour, egg and water
58:12 <Ysjoelfir> Maultaschen?
58:42 <Nothing\> no, there's no filling or anything
58:51 <Nothing\> er my bad, not flour
59:00 <Nothing\> it's bread, flour egg and water
59:06 <Nothing\> i forgot about the bread
59:32 <Ysjoelfir> hmm.. have to research that, sounds interesting and worth trying :D
59:45 <Nothing\> yeah dude, they're so good
00:13 <Nothing\> it's just those ingredients mixed in some proportion, i'd have to ask my mom and she's not here atm. and then boiled for some amount of time until they're solid
00:40 <Nothing\> or for soup dumplings, my german relatives would use a mix of cream of wheat with eggs
01:20 <Nothing\> when your soup's boiling, you drop dollops of it in with a fork and it puffs up as the cream of wheat soaks up the broth
01:29 <Nothing\> it's so good with homemade chicken soup
02:10 <Nothing\> any time my mom makes soup, i just eat all of the dumplings lol
02:15 <Nothing\> except they had a name
02:21 <Nothing\> the cream of wheat ones
02:36 <Nothing\> sounded like "nook-uh-luh"
02:46 <Nothing\> or nuk-uh-luh
03:05 <Nothing\> nookala
03:24 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
03:36 <Ampera> ya gotta stop talking to yourself man, you're gonna go crazier than you already are :P
03:42 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
03:47 <Ysjoelfir> rofl Ampera :D
03:47 <Ampera> Trust me, I am crazier than I already am
03:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, tell me about it
03:57 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir
04:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, but i was actually talking to Ysjoelfir. just a lot more than he was lol
04:21 <Ampera> not a problem, I do that too on occasion
04:23 <Nothing\> so, you guys hear they're gonna demolish the arecibo observatory? :(
04:32 <Ampera> yeah, great news
04:39 <Ampera> we can finally stop it with the space perverts
04:44 <Ampera> zooming in on them alien tiddies
04:54 <Nothing\> that 300 meter radio telescope in puetorico with that huge satellite dish looking thing
05:00 <Nothing\> ah yeah, you're familiar
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> Had an interesting telephone meeting with a potential employer. it was... well, interesting.
05:21 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I wouldn't have gathered, you only said interesting once before saying it again
05:25 <Nothing\> but yeah, i guess one of the cables snapped, causing a 30 meter (100 foot) wide hole to be punched in the dish
05:30 <Nothing\> then another cable snapped
05:38 <Ysjoelfir> did I already mention that it was interesting?
05:55 <Nothing\> so they've deemed it too dangerous to even repair it for historical preservation and they're just gonna demolish it
06:00 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, yeah in the first half of the sentence
06:05 <Ampera> then again in the second half of the sentence
06:10 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, lol don't you hate it when you do that?
06:16 <Nothing\> i feel like an idiot whenever i do that
06:24 <Ampera> I feel like an idiot.
06:29 <Ampera> that's all
06:33 <Ysjoelfir> oh. ok. well. it was an interesting conversation.
07:02 <Nothing\> i'll say something like "you know it's interesting, waffle waffle waffle. It's really interesting"
07:17 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, what was interestingly interesting and so interesting about the conversation?
07:20 <Nothing\> and then i'll realize i said interesting twice and i'll facepalm and wish i could take back the last 5 seconds of my life
07:43 <Ampera> Nothing\, if I could take back the last five seconds of my life, I'd stuff them down the throat of the guy who I was ten seconds ago
08:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, man i think my meds are really starting to fuck with my head
08:29 <Ampera> have fun
08:32 <Nothing\> i went fistacuffs with a wall the other day
08:37 <Ampera> that's not fun
08:38 <Nothing\> for the first time in years
09:03 <Nothing\> yeah once it was too painful i just started pounding on it with my fists
09:24 <Nothing\> thankfully it was a concrete wall, but i knocked a chunk loose that was covering a screw
09:24 <Ampera> God bless Canadian construction I guess
09:43 <Nothing\> lol i just tried to cover it up with whiteout, but it's too white compared to the wall
09:43 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, well, he wanted a demonstration of my altium designer skills. I already prepared some nice layouts, so when we started and he was like "can you please show me how you would create a component?" I was like "yes, sure, but please take a look at this design first, which I made recently. I very much enjoyed it because of its complexity, waffle waffle waffle." - silence at the phone.
09:55 <Nothing\> luckily it's in a dimly lit area so it's hard to see
10:12 <Ysjoelfir> after that we decided to talk about our very simmilar life choices for the last 52 minutes of the one hour call
10:23 <Ampera> oh you already talked about this
10:27 <Ampera> maybe in the afternet channel, maybe earlier here
10:40 <Ampera> no it was here
10:46 <Ysjoelfir> I told T3sl4 earlyer. didn't remember you being there :D
10:54 <Ampera> that's what backlogs are for
11:03 <Ysjoelfir> you got a point there
12:03 <Nothing\> and i'm finding myself having random outbursts of anger, or undue feelings of persecution, or i'll find myself crying my eyes out for either no apparent reason or these cycles i get where i take my anger out on my mom via spurious feelings of persecution, then feel bad cuz she's the last person who deserves to me talked to in that way and it makes me more frustrated and upset. which makes things worse and so on
12:29 <Nothing\> usually when i get like that, i'll just lock myself in my room and read some of my favourite psalms
12:56 <Nothing\> it really helps, even if just to take my mind off of the situation
13:32 <Nothing\> like how reciting psalm 23 by memory helps my anxiety cuz i'm too busy trying to remember it to get anxious about anything
13:48 <Nothing\> in part, anyways
14:10 <Nothing\> i mean, that's one of, if not the greatest psalm ever. and probably the most famous one
14:42 <Nothing\> i guarantee every westerner's heard it at some point, even if they don't realize what it was.
14:49 <Nothing\> usually it's read as the last nights.
15:26 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
15:34 <Ampera> yeah
15:37 <Nothing\> does your bot have any sort of logging/stats for the channel?
15:40 <Ampera> nope
15:47 <Nothing\> you should look into it
15:47 <Ampera> zero data is stored ever
15:50 <Ampera> I am
15:56 <Nothing\> oh, no logging?
15:57 <Ampera> but it's not a high priority, and is a lot of work
16:02 <Ampera> no logging at all
16:10 <Ampera> nothing is stored at the moment
16:10 <Nothing\> any reason why?
16:16 <Ampera> haven't had the time to implement it
16:20 <Nothing\> ah
16:22 <Ampera> if the point is to have logs, I already have them
16:29 <Nothing\> i'm telling you man
16:33 <Nothing\> port him to eggdrop
16:37 <Nothing\> you won't be sorry
16:41 <Ampera> wha
16:58 <Nothing\> eggdrop is a TCL based utility for making IRC bots
17:17 <Ysjoelfir> ouch... I just managed to give me a slap in the face with my suspenders >_>
17:22 <Ampera> why would I want that
17:25 <Nothing\> actually i don't even know if it's whatever the opposite of obsolete is now
17:32 <Nothing\> what IS the opposite of obsolete?
17:37 <Nothing\> relevant?
17:41 <Ysjoelfir> active?
17:43 <Nothing\> supported?
17:43 <Ampera> current
17:49 <Ampera> modern
17:50 <Ampera> novel
18:04 <Ampera> but what do I care about that
18:05 <Nothing\> novel more means new
18:09 <Ampera> if I'm porting the bot to anything it's C++
18:17 <Ampera> obsolete means old, in general
18:22 <Nothing\> usually referring to something new that's different than the old
18:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, obsolete means it's so old that it's become useless
18:44 <Ampera> Ideally I'd port it to C, and it may happen like that one day, but a lot of work needs to be done fore that and I can't rely on libraries as much
18:57 <Ampera> also string manipulation is a bitch in C
19:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, you should totally host an EEVBLOG BBC
19:13 <Ampera> BBC?
19:15 <Ampera> you mean a BBS
19:23 <Nothing\> yeah that's it
19:27 <Ysjoelfir> big black cock?
19:29 <Nothing\> where'd i get C from?
19:30 <Ampera> sounds nice, not practical to implement
19:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, probably would only have 1 or 2 people on at any given time anyways
19:54 <Ampera> it'd only be neat if I had tel lines to go in, and VoIP solutions suck ass for modems
20:06 <Nothing\> and my main reason for wanting a BBS is so i can play legend of the red dragon with friends
20:07 <Ampera> I could do a telnet or ssh BBS, but then that's not really any different from IRC anyways
20:11 <T3sl4> British Broad Cocking?
20:14 <Nothing\> cuz i've missed that so much
20:18 * Ampera smacks T3sl4 with a big black cake
20:20 <Nothing\> heya T3sl4
20:27 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 
20:28 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\ and Ampera
20:29 <Nothing\> <3
20:33 <Nothing\> how's it going, buddy?
20:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's you
21:03 <Nothing\> you=buddy
21:04 <Nothing\> lol
21:20 <T3sl4> "that's you that's how dumb you sound" - glados
21:23 <T3sl4> just came to mind :P
21:24 <Ysjoelfir> and what am I
21:28 <Ysjoelfir> `?
21:39 <T3sl4> i'm not your buddy, guy
21:44 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir ^
21:48 <Ysjoelfir> :(
21:52 <Nothing\> T3sl4, for me it was that old movie, beethoven. about the family who adopts the st bernard. Remember that movie?
22:00 <T3sl4> ye
22:33 <Nothing\> and how at the end, the evil veterinarian gets taken out by having a tray full of syringes full of test drugs or whatever flung at him in just the right way thta they all impaled his chest
22:50 <Nothing\> i was aways confused about whether he was meant to have died or what
23:03 <Nothing\> but that's a pretty gruesome way to take out the bad guy for a family movie
23:14 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4 i'm not your guy, friend
23:42 <Nothing\> i think they made like 5 sequels to that movie or something
24:15 <Nothing\> that also reminds me of that movie, milo and otis
24:23 <Nothing\> i'll never EVER EVER watch that movie again
24:38 <Nothing\> and thinking about it makes me physically ill and want to start crying
24:41 <T3sl4> some kids movies are randomly super dark
24:46 <Nothing\> no dude
25:03 <Nothing\> a japenese company made that movie, and they killed 26 kittens in the filming of it
25:17 <T3sl4> haven't seen that one
25:19 <Nothing\> in one scene they deliberately broke a kitten's leg for a scene where he was supposed to be injured
25:34 <Nothing\> T3sl4, milo and otis? that was a classic growing up
25:42 <T3sl4> or maybe i dont remember it
25:52 <coppice> T3sl4: those are the movies made by people who really understand children
25:54 <Nothing\> was your standard talking cat and dog go on an adventure movie
26:01 <Nothing\> and i have super fond memories of it
26:08 <Nothing\> which makes my discovery all the more painful
26:13 <T3sl4> ah, i probably forgot about it then
26:20 <Nothing\> yeah most likely
26:27 <Nothing\> it was an orange kitten and a pug
26:30 <T3sl4> yeah, that makes me a bit more thankful for the "no animals harmed" disclaimer you usually see
26:44 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i still can't watch animal movies
26:52 <Nothing\> cuz you just never know
27:03 <Nothing\> and if you do, it's not until the end of the credits
27:29 <T3sl4> or look it up beforehand
27:33 <Nothing\> yeah
27:43 <Nothing\> my mom's really into movies like that
28:02 <Nothing\> she just watched some cutesy christmas movie with talking kittens
28:23 <Nothing\> she loves cat stuff and christmas stuff, so it's right up her alley.
28:41 <Nothing\> but from what i glanced. it reminded me of santa paws with cats
29:00 <coppice> "No animals were harmed in the making of this movie, as long as you don't consider humans to be animals"
29:15 <Nothing\> it's not so much that they weren't harmed
29:51 <Nothing\> i mean, there's a video of a guy skydiving with his cat. he has it in a harness strapped to his body. not even craddling it. and of course the cat freaks the fuck out when the guy jumps.
30:07 <Nothing\> you could say no animals were harmed in that either, but they were sure as fuck traumatized.
30:20 <Nothing\> that's what i hate hate FUCKING HATE about this society
30:45 <T3sl4> or obsessive vegans that think their pets should be too
30:50 <Nothing\> we almost completely ignore mental distress, or pick and choose when it acknowledge it cuz out of sight, out of mind. no pun intended.
31:03 <Nothing\> if you can't see a visible injury, there's clearly nothing wrong with them.
31:16 <T3sl4> yep
31:20 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah i've seen this "beyond cat food" shit now
31:30 <Nothing\> like i dunno if you're familiar with "beyond meat"
31:53 <T3sl4> i imagine it's easy enough to formulate one that's complete, for cats
31:57 <Nothing\> but it's some vegetarian or vegan crap that uses soy as a meat substitute. i guess they're doing that with cat food now noo.
32:01 <Nothing\> *too
32:07 <Nothing\> oh for sure
32:21 <Nothing\> tbh cat food has a lot of wheat and plant stuff in it already as it is
32:25 <Nothing\> at least the dry stuff i get
32:26 <T3sl4> the problem is the people thinking their pets can eat exactly the same things they do, which they can't
32:47 <Nothing\> yeah i share food with my cats, but absolutely no sweets
32:50 <T3sl4> which, interestingly enough, dogs largely or wholly can, but cats definitely cannot
33:11 <Nothing\> cuz i realize they don't have any way to brush their teeth, so that'd lead to tooth problems later on
33:17 <coppice> our dog really loves all sorts of veggie
33:19 <T3sl4> one of the traits that evolutionarily separates dogs from wolves
33:32 <Nothing\> when i took care of my brother's cat for a few years i used to share my candy floss with him
33:50 <Nothing\> and now, almost 10 years later he's got a buncha broken teeth
34:01 <Nothing\> though in fairness he's like 16 or 17
34:18 <Nothing\> i fucking hate my brother for what he's putting that poor cat through
35:15 <Nothing\> the cat had his one eye get the pupil larger than the other, and the eye gradually swelled up more and more until it was grotesquely swollen and then "popped" one day, leaking fluid everywhere and causing him to go into hiding for a couple of days.
35:45 <Nothing\> and it'll keep doing that. it'll fill up like that and then "pop" and he'll obviously be in excruciating pain if he's hiding like that
35:46 <T3sl4> :(
36:07 <Nothing\> meanwhile my brother got $2k from our grandma's estate and my mom gave him $1k from our other grandma's estate
36:17 <Nothing\> and he spent it on fucking weed and shatter
36:41 <Nothing\> i literally pray every night for god to take that cat's life just to end his suffering.
37:18 <Nothing\> i mean, on top of that my brother rents a room, so his cat only gets this tiny room to live in. nowhere to run around or be a cat
37:36 <Nothing\> he's severely overweight, to the point that his stomach drags on the ground
38:13 <Nothing\> i normally wouldn't care THIS much, but i took care of that cat for several years. So we shared a close connection for a while.
39:23 <Nothing\> I knew i'd have to give him back eventually. So I made a point of not getting myself attached. But the little sweetheart just kept jumping up on my lap and nuzzling me, and sleeping next to my head when I slept. He melted my attempt at an icy heart.
39:57 <Nothing\> it was just the pure and unprompted unconditional love that he showed he that did it.
40:34 <Nothing\> i don't get that from my cats now. Especially the maine coon. You really have to work to gain his respect.
41:07 <Nothing\> he'll get in moods where he doesn't want to be touched or bothered so you've just gotta learn to leave him alone when he gets like that
50:29 Join: rc_phone ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
50:47 <rc_phone> dumtidum dum dum
51:24 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. phone
51:28 <rc_phone> good evenight EEVBlog
51:44 <rc_phone> ello mr fir
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> I decided to try the steel grinding thing
52:12 <rc_phone> steel grinding eh?
52:39 <rc_phone> that is so metal!
52:50 <Ysjoelfir> yep. lathe tools forming and stuff. I am actually very pleased by the result. you have enough data on the phone to take a look at some pics?
53:24 <rc_phone> yeah, as long as i can mark the damn links
55:02 <Ysjoelfir> I decided to try this triangular (threading?) tool first as it seemed the easiest for me to see where I need to place angles. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gnumgzyQPElEDPuFM728r904CD4JRBnw/view?usp=sharing
55:45 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gjxY3AaNhY--pb5e5FrM0y61W9AVD2Br/view?usp=sharing
57:47 <Ysjoelfir> then I grabbed this one, which looked like a regular chisel to me, but when I was done I noticed that it was a left handed chisel. meh. But it cuts well. as well as the triangular one. made some nice grooves in that plastic, as you can see in the pic. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gvbU6yJY4jiS7EzHLY8l6JR_Gb3x6NXU/view?usp=sharing
57:49 <rc_phone> right... is that a 10mm blank?
58:03 <Ysjoelfir> I should try making a thread into that plastic, because reasons
58:09 <Ysjoelfir> yep, its 10mmx10mm
59:23 <Nothing\> heya rc_phone
59:32 <rc_phone> mmkay. and it is exactly 59.8 degrees?
59:34 <Nothing\> new to the channel?
59:41 <rc_phone> hey nostuff
59:42 <Nothing\> and lathe working, i see
00:00 <rc_phone> i work lathe every nigjt
00:19 <Ysjoelfir> sure! Absolutely! No, that was just freehand. I should measure the angle, just for fun. one moment
01:31 <Nothing\> holy crap
01:36 <Nothing\> i just dropped a steel pot lid
01:41 <Nothing\> harmonics galore
01:52 * Nothing\ fires up his FFT utility
01:54 <rc_phone> if you want to cut actual threads you can use... either 60, if you want to cut on both sides, or just use one side
02:56 <Nothing\> i've noticed though, when testing harmonics or just doing FFTs of audio frequency is you don't just get the sound of the object ringing
03:05 <rc_phone> Nothing\: steel banging on steel is often very close to ear damaging frequencies. tjat is something to try
03:09 <Nothing\> but there's also the sound generated by whatever strikes the object to start it ringing
03:11 <Ysjoelfir> hey, not bad, its actually 62°C
03:13 <Ysjoelfir> erm
03:15 <Ysjoelfir> without the C
03:26 <Ysjoelfir> for freehanded... I am pretty pleased with that
03:32 <Nothing\> rc_phone, ear damaging frequencies?
03:39 <rc_phone> yes
03:40 <Nothing\> how do certain frequencies damage your ears?
03:46 <Nothing\> legit question
03:55 <Nothing\> i know it came off as being smug but that wasn't the intent
04:11 <rc_phone> they are more likely to do so than other frequencies
04:14 <Nothing\> i mean, ampltudes for sure i can see how they would damage your ears
04:22 <Nothing\> ah okay
04:34 <Nothing\> due to the frequency response of the various parts of the ear, i would imagine
04:57 <Nothing\> i wonder if that means certain colors of light are more liable to blind you
05:27 <Nothing\> i wonder, with how thin the visible spectrum is if the energy difference between violet light and red light is even significant
05:30 <rc_phone> heh... good question
05:54 <Nothing\> well, i know our eyes are most sensitive to green light
06:12 <Nothing\> and green lasers do show up much easier as a beam in the air than any other color
06:24 <Nothing\> so i guess it would at least appear brighter
06:29 <rc_phone> i know blie seems to ne blurred at tje edges
06:36 <rc_phone> blue
06:43 <Nothing\> yeah, blue is a weird one
06:52 <Nothing\> it's like it doesn't even exist on this physical plane
07:31 <rc_phone> and, what is the difference between brown and orange?
07:56 <rc_phone> you might want to look that up, btw
08:00 <Nothing\> brown is darker and more dependent on surrounding colors for context
08:07 <Nothing\> i've seen the technology connections video :P
08:16 <Ysjoelfir> rc_phone, I have to admit that this grinding stuff is way easier than I immagined. I had horrors and thought it would be impossible to do for a beginner.
08:32 <rc_phone> ok, then where in the spectrum is pink?
08:46 <Nothing\> rc_phone, here's one for ya, why is there no such thing as light red
08:52 <Nothing\> rc_phone, dammit you ruined it
09:02 <Nothing\> yes, pink is light red
09:06 <rc_phone> Ysjoelfir: no, it is easy enough to get something usable
09:08 <Nothing\> technically
09:11 <rc_phone> is it?
09:16 <Nothing\> but i think pink has more white in it
09:30 <Nothing\> i'm not sure
09:50 <rc_phone> ok, look it up in a map of the spectrum?
12:35 <rc_phone> Ysjoelfir: the main thing is to make room for the tool, when you stuff it into material... you just want the cutting edge in contact, take away the rest, but leave as much as you can, because it will be stronher and more stable
13:01 <rc_phone> the rest is details
13:56 <Ysjoelfir> I thought pretty much that when working on those two chisels. well. I used one of those totally FUBARed carbide ones before to get a somewhat parallel edge on my wheel.
14:25 <rc_phone> and... when I say put a radius on the tip, it can be very very small
14:32 <Ysjoelfir> it was used to sharpen drills for years, so it basically had a dip in the middle. not its straight again
15:04 <rc_phone> yeah, that is an issue
15:17 <Ysjoelfir> for the radius: I just slipped the edges over the wheel VERY lightly. that took nearly no material off, but removed the very sharp point
16:26 <rc_phone> right. I am just saying.... it can ne "round" even if you can not see it
18:43 <rc_phone> I feel that you should spend some time experimenting, just because you have a tiny lathe, and it needs all the help it can get. if it also makes for better parts, that is a nice bonus
20:28 <rc_phone> even honing the cutter after grinding can make a pretty good difference
20:49 <rc_phone> in some cases
22:22 <rc_phone> so! do you have a 4-5-6mm end mill?
23:50 <rc_phone> i want you to use it as a mill, and make small firearms, vecause that should be done at home, by people
26:00 <rc_phone> lalala... it is nice and icy some places here... a thin layer of snow when you get up a little bit
27:44 <rc_phone> speaking of lapping and stuff... i need some diamond paste
28:21 Quit: prometheus ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
28:56 <Ysjoelfir> re, sry, had to clean the salt stone real quick
29:20 <Nothing\> huh, graphing the speed of a pendulum yields a graph not unlike a full wave rectified signal
29:36 <Nothing\> i love it when i see examples of EE in non-EE situations
29:42 <Ysjoelfir> no, I don't have endmills :P also making firearms at home is a big no no in germanistan :P
30:03 <rc_phone> no, getting caught is
30:08 <Nothing\> like the similarities between transformers and levers/gears and so on
30:25 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something
30:37 <rc_phone> WHAT?
30:42 <Ysjoelfir> true^^ and lapping... why not? I can try that? as for experimenting.. I have to admit that i had much fun grinding those two, so I think I will definitely experiment with that more in the future^^
30:42 <Nothing\> ah hold on
31:04 <Nothing\> i was gonna ask about the behavior of a CXO but i need to find the name of the configuration first
31:28 <Nothing\> where it's like, crystal, reactive device and resistive device all in parallel
31:46 <Nothing\> i wanna say colpitts but that's dead wrong
32:32 <rc_phone> i do not know fancy words, sorry
32:40 <Nothing\> something like this
32:42 <Nothing\> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Petr_Pfeifer/publication/273772653/figure/fig3/AS:654066216603648@1532952946325/Overtone-Crystal-Oscillator-Circuit.png
32:52 <Nothing\> but not
35:05 <rc_phone> and here I am, trying to plan how to make a damn wooden handle for a small hammer...
36:00 <Nothing\> i'm just trying to make a mock-up of a car in algodoo so i can test a theory i have
36:13 <Ysjoelfir> I wondered if I should make a small brass and a big wooden mallet. I have rubber mallets and regular hammers in various sizes, but not anything special
37:06 <Nothing\> that if a care goes over a speed bump fast enough, the wheels and suspension will react faster than the rest of the car due to inertia, so if you drive over a speed bump fast enough, the body of the car should remain in place while the wheels take all of the force
37:15 <Nothing\> the tricky part is making the car
37:28 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, go 3 it
37:48 <Nothing\> ugh, already about halfway dark out
37:53 <Nothing\> and it's only 4:30pm
37:57 <rc_phone> a small hammer with copper faces could be handy also
37:58 <coppice> yeah, give it 75%
38:40 <rc_phone> Nothing\: you want to model a citroen 2cv?
40:54 <Nothing\> lol it's basically a massive box on wheels with suspension with an adjustable spring constant, damping coefficient and length
41:26 <rc_phone> Ysjoelfir: one of the most useful little hammers i have, is a soft mild steel 13/16" cylinder, 1 5/8" long, on a handle
42:11 <rc_phone> Nothing\: the 2cv will float across speedbumps like they are not there
42:50 <rc_phone> not too many cars have enough upwards suspension travel to do that
43:13 <Nothing\> nice
43:28 <Nothing\> yeah this thing's really high up off the ground
43:35 <Ysjoelfir> wth are those for strange sizes, mr. phone?
43:59 <rc_phone> uhm... they are.... sizes
44:24 <rc_phone> 21mm is not that weird?
44:33 <Ysjoelfir> is that also available in good sizes? :D
44:38 <Ysjoelfir> 21 sounds good
45:23 <rc_phone> 25.4+16 is also not too bad
45:37 <Nothing\> there, i got the suspension working properly
46:41 <Nothing\> initially the suspension was just just 3 springs right next to eachother, but there was nothing to support the body of the vehicle so the whole body just flopped over to one side. So I connected all of the springs for the suspension to common point and it worked like a charm
47:15 <rc_phone> Ysjoelfir: are you saying i am old, just because i used normal units for my hammer?
47:59 <Nothing\> https://ibb.co/ws34dwp
48:05 <Nothing\> see? there she is
48:07 <rc_phone> which i made in school
48:20 <Nothing\> just gotta turn one of the axils into a motor
48:30 <Nothing\> axles
49:52 <rc_phone> Nothing\: having spent a time messing with cars and such... i do not think a motor is your biggest issue there,lol
50:23 <Nothing\> lol well i'm not exactly building it for aerodynamics or anything
50:51 <rc_phone> I think you did well with that part
51:23 <rc_phone> CANYONERO!
51:41 <Nothing\> lol i just need some way of making it burst into flames randomly
51:59 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
52:04 <rc_phone> put a ford badge on it
53:16 <rc_phone> ok, that was not fair. the fords just caught fire if it was damaged.
53:31 <Nothing\> you know what Ford stands for, don't you?
53:37 <Nothing\> Fix It Again Tony
54:06 <rc_phone> put opel badges on it, because they did actually burst into flames randomly
54:11 <Nothing\> oh RC was it you i mentioned the issue with my bench power supply where the red jack puts out negative and the black jack puts out positive voltage?
54:40 <Nothing\> i forget who i was talking to about that
54:40 <rc_phone> uuh, not that i remember?
54:57 <rc_phone> what is the issue wirh that?
55:20 <Nothing\> standard protocol is red=positive black=negative
55:27 <rc_phone> well...
55:36 <Nothing\> i could have subjected a circuit to reverse polarity
55:45 <rc_phone> yeah
56:10 <rc_phone> swap the jacks around
56:13 <Nothing\> but anyways i figured out i can just unscrew the colored rings on the BNC connectors and screw them back on
56:47 <rc_phone> you have bnc on your power supply?
56:48 <Nothing\> somebody suggested i open it up and switch the wiring around with a soldering iron
56:59 <Nothing\> isn't that what banana plugs are called?
57:15 <rc_phone> eeh
57:21 <Nothing\> ooh
57:22 <Nothing\> my bad
57:26 <Nothing\> not bnc
57:33 <Nothing\> i'm mixing up my connectors here
57:37 <rc_phone> anyway
58:11 <rc_phone> I was hoping you had some weirdo special device
58:28 <Nothing\> lol i'm not that fortunate
59:05 <Nothing\> although i got some 4021 PISO shift registers the other day
59:23 <Nothing\> the same kind they use in NES controllers and peripherals
59:53 <Nothing\> so whenever i get an NES i'd like to make like, a breadboad gamepad
00:12 <rc_phone> and the duck hunt gun
00:16 <Nothing\> or some novel input like the ROLLIN ROCKER
01:26 <Nothing\> thing is, i just can't justify buying a physical NES or NES clone
01:38 <Nothing\> considering i have all of the games right here
02:03 <rc_phone> ok, i am done here, good evening foe a bit
02:32 <rc_phone> eh, in 2 minutes
03:37 <rc_phone> you should make something like the duck hunt gun.
04:03 Quit: rc_phone ([email protected]) Quit: leaving
12:12 <Nothing\> hey, anyone have a rough idea what a typical wave soldering machine would cost? I'm just curious.
15:23 <Tezzers> Maybe $60kUSD new? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=WAVE+SOLDERING+machine&_sacat=0
16:33 <coppice> I like the "w/SOLDER" part. They just means they didn't clean up
16:56 <Nothing\> ouch
17:10 <Nothing\> how much you think a whole PCB fab facility would cost?
17:20 <Nothing\> another curiosity driven question
17:39 <Nothing\> i've given thought to semiconductor fabs, but not PCBs
18:40 <Tezzers> Semi fabs suck ass.
18:48 <coppice> semiconductor fabs prices need to be read in a Carl Sagan voice
19:01 <Tezzers> They pushed our project twice, then they told us "Yo, so, we're pushing your project 6 months because we have a bigger customer sorry"
33:47 <Nothing\> coppice, because of how big they are?
34:37 <coppice> billions and billions
34:49 <Nothing\> *Carl Sagan Impression* This impressive structure behind me is what's known as a semi-conductor fab. Semi-conductor fabs cost billions and billions of dollars"
35:07 <Nothing\> i actually found a copy of cosmos at the thrift store once
35:32 <Nothing\> i also have an astronomy textbook from 1977 that's still surprisingly relevant at parts
35:57 <Nothing\> like talking about how they use paralax t gauge the distance between relatively close stars
36:17 <coppice> Nothing\: the universe has changed surprisingly little since 1977
36:57 <Nothing\> coppice, indeed, but our analytical instruments and techniques, not to mention knowledge of the universe has
37:06 <Nothing\> for example, about certain metrics of the universe
37:28 <Nothing\> speaking of which
37:44 <Nothing\> coppice, did you hear they're going to demolish arecibo? :(
37:58 <Nothing\> not just showdown, but outright demolish it
38:24 <Nothing\> a cable snapped not long ago and punched a 30 meter hole in the dish. then another cable snapped shortly after that.
38:33 <coppice> since 1977 we've mostly used improved instruments to fill in a lot of details.
38:51 <Nothing\> so they determined it's too dangerous to even do repairs for historical preservation. Must less to get it functional again
39:13 <Nothing\> yeah it's a pretty old piece of kit, but it's still sad to see it go
39:31 <Nothing\> i was thinking i should watch goldeneye and contact as on homage
39:31 <coppice> plenty of info from arecibo went into a 1977 text book
39:44 <Nothing\> oh more than likely
39:47 <coppice> I thought it was one of those protected historic structures
40:11 <Nothing\> well, when safety's an issue, i don't think it matters
40:26 <Nothing\> especially since a collapse would take out a big portion of the local silverback gorillas
41:21 <Nothing\> potentialy, of course
41:34 <Nothing\> assuming a catastrophic failure of the entire structure
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