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03:55 <T3sl4> uh, hmm
04:02 <T3sl4> that glowed pretty brightly
04:31 <T3sl4> DMM was clipped across a tube in series with a neon light, measuring voltage
04:52 <T3sl4> i switched it to resistance, without noticing where it was connected... so the neon was supplied from +150 through the resistance range
05:23 <coppice> was the DMM happy with that?
05:29 <rust_collector> so, how many ohms was that?
05:38 <T3sl4> it still seems to work
06:04 <coppice> rust_collector: something negative
06:20 <rust_collector> he would do that, I guess
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06:41 <T3sl4> coppice: positively glowing
07:48 <rust_collector> I like how the cheap "830" type dmms are going up in price... I guess they are popular
07:51 <T3sl4> it would be happier at an unionized lab, i'm sure
09:30 <T3sl4> huh, is this transformer shielded? salvaged from a charger, one primary pin has a lot more wire on it. neat
24:17 <T3sl4> geez, i'm gonna get 200V+ out of this sucker
27:03 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Peter Whish-Wilson: It is significant that the Australian Senate passed this #JulianAssange motion Only Gov Senators and @JacquiLambie voted against it. Thanks to @AustralianLabor for their support. This is something to continue building on within the Australian Parliament to bring #Assange home. https://t.co/Mvhio4c9Wm
34:31 <T3sl4> wonder if i should use the aux winding instead, it's closer to 12-15V
43:59 <hsn> which one
45:00 <hsn> T3sl4, this would have to have main freq or somthing 50khz ?
45:29 <hsn> mains
55:23 <hsn> T3sl4: hsn, the answer is indeed
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03:47 <K> yes.
04:01 <rust_collector> at least most of the time
11:04 <rust_collector> I just tried painting my power supply with nail polish. it is perhaps not ideal for that
11:26 * Ampera pains liquid nails onto rust_collector's face
11:50 <hsn> Ampera, what time is it now
11:59 <Ampera> hsn, time to get a watch
12:13 <hsn> did u just lagged ur hour ?
12:20 <rust_collector> hmm, exfoliating
18:43 <T3sl4> Ampera, i'd have taken him more for a rustoleum type, but you do you
19:38 <Ampera> T3sl4, let's just agree to meet in the middle and slather liquid latex all over him
19:57 <T3sl4> urethane?
20:07 <K> rust_collector, how small the power supply or big the nail polish container?
20:21 <rust_collector> both are pretty small
20:27 <K> for ants?
20:42 <rust_collector> slugs and large spiders
20:48 <K> oh.
20:58 <Ampera> T3sl4, no ur a thane
21:29 <T3sl4> polly wannathane?
22:24 <rust_collector> polly wannacrackhead
22:35 <rust_collector> polly has sharp beak
24:36 <T3sl4> hmm, i don't know actually what liquid nails is based on. they don't mention the resin in the MSDS
24:48 <Ampera> T3sl4, it's nails but a liquid
24:51 <Ampera> duuuuuuuh
25:17 * T3sl4 loads a strip of gallium into his nailgun, punches Ampera with it
25:35 * Ampera melts
25:40 <T3sl4> <3
29:18 <rust_collector> methyl acetate and solvents, and... 40 to 60% "other"
29:22 <rust_collector> okaaaay
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19:14 <hsn> T3sl4: u ve a nailgun?
21:47 <K> nailbum
24:19 <T3sl4> an album cover?
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00:38 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
01:30 <Kuschelpony> Hello
02:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hello mr. Pony
02:16 <Kuschelpony> Thankyou
02:49 <Kuschelpony> just reading the sorty of the faked TL074 and wonder whats insidewhen sent them for decapping https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/362781-fake-op-amp-tester-op-amps-genuine-fake.html#post6405556
02:55 <Ysjoelfir> guys, I'm very happy :)
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03:11 <Ysjoelfir> oh I love those faked ICs :D
03:55 <Kuschelpony> yeah
04:02 <Ysjoelfir> Mrs. spouse was at the gyne...thing, doctor who looks into pussies. Looks like its highly possible that she's finally pregnant :D
04:02 <Ampera> hullo ThunderSqueak how are you doing
04:28 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. Squeak and mr. Current
04:38 <Ampera> You're something else, Ysjoelfir, but regardless congratulations
06:29 <Kuschelpony> i sometimes wonder, if we will any time see an faked 741 that performs better than original (its not hard :)
07:02 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :) though it's not good to be too excited yet, BUT... since we NEVER even got to the stage that a test says anything remotely to "positive", we're... pretty excited now^^
08:00 <Ysjoelfir> shouldn't be hard to make something better than a 741 I think^^
08:26 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, hopefully the kid has a better time than I did linguistically.
08:26 <Kuschelpony> i ment with these numbers printed on and sold as 741
08:57 <Ampera> I learned English no problem, as it's the common spoken language here, but my dad was a complete and total asshole to me for years trying to force German onto me
09:18 <Ampera> It's not that I didn't want to learn it, but him refusing to talk to me unless it was in German didn't exactly endear me
09:41 <Ampera> Fortunately, as far as I know, second languages are particularly common in Germany, and even mandatory to learn within schools
09:48 <ThunderSqueak> good morning
09:56 <Ampera> hullo ThunderSqueak how are you doing
11:31 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely right Ampera, and we want to FORCEFULLY STUFF... erm.... encourage it to learn english, german, and maybe norwegian while we learn that as well. though not forcefully, just by regular talking
12:03 <Ampera> I'd say start with the language they're going to be speaking most often, presumably German
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12:15 <Ampera> and then slowly try to introduce them to new languages one at a time.
12:25 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
13:18 <Ampera> If you have miniDV camcorder footage of you talking exclusively to your 1 year old son in nothing but a language they don't understand and will likely never use, you've fucked up :P
13:30 <Ysjoelfir> its pretty common here that parents "decide" for one language they mainly speak, which seems to work fine, but it shouldn't matter in which language it answers imho
13:48 <Ysjoelfir> but I would prefer the method you suggested as well
13:53 <Ysjoelfir> lol, indeed^^
14:31 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, just started work, so sitting here with a phone headset in my ear, taking calls and nibbling on homemade bread I made yesterday eve
14:35 * Ysjoelfir still has all the old Hi8 movies of baby-Ysjoelfir his dad made back then
14:42 <ThunderSqueak> baked 4 loafs of a french bread
14:52 <Ampera> nice
14:57 <Ampera> are they large loaves?
15:10 <ThunderSqueak> about 2.5 feet long
15:17 <Ampera> baguettes?
15:20 <ThunderSqueak> as large as my oven would let me line up 4 inside it
15:21 <ThunderSqueak> yeah
15:23 <ThunderSqueak> baguettes
15:26 <Ampera> ah, nice
15:35 * Ysjoelfir wants one
15:39 <ThunderSqueak> just a basic french bread recipe
15:56 <ThunderSqueak> nice crust, mildly dense but soft crumb is how these came out
15:59 <ThunderSqueak> perfect for soups
16:34 <Ampera> My favorite breads are thick semi-chewy semi-hard crusts with a very light, doughy consistency inside
16:48 <Ampera> if I have a bread like that I can eat nothing but it all day and all night
17:30 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I have some very early footage of me when I was young, I believe going back to my second christmas in 2003
17:51 <Ampera> which my dad recorded on a webcam apparently, so it looks worse than color 8mm film
18:12 <electrohead> my car's A/C works after 6 or so years again \o/
18:20 <electrohead> and, hey
19:03 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
19:11 * electrohead hugs Ampera
19:25 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
19:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, thats... not the greatest idea, Ampera xD I remember my dad having gotten his hands on an old TV recording camera back than. one of those giant ones you had to carry on your shoulder. :D
19:43 <Ysjoelfir> Hi mr. head. Did you refill it, or was it realy broken?
19:50 <electrohead> I'm doing alright, you?
19:55 * Ampera pours Freon all over Ysjoelfir
20:04 <electrohead> both, an O-ring had to be replaced, as there was a small leak
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> I don't like freon
21:15 <electrohead> and well, wasn't broken per say, but because the belt wasn't installed for quite many years, it diminished over time
21:18 <Ysjoelfir> I prefer to refill my cars AC with propane/butane mix from my can of BBQ gas
21:37 <Ampera> uhhhh
21:47 <Ampera> I guess that could technically work, but uhhhh
21:49 <Ampera> uhhhh
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22:02 <Ysjoelfir> ah. I will have to replace the clutch for the AC compressor soon, its sometimes making noises like it is rubbing.
22:40 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera - butane/propane mix is basically the same as R600/R600a, depending on the mixture :)
22:44 <Ysjoelfir> so its fine.
22:55 <electrohead> "it's fine"
22:58 <electrohead> xD
23:10 <Ysjoelfir> its also way less dangerous than R1234y or the old R12/R22 things
23:17 <Ampera> well as far as I know most refrigerants are supposed to be non-flammable
23:22 <Ampera> or at the very least non-explosive
23:46 <Ysjoelfir> butane and propane aren't explosive? but yes, they are flammable. as is R290, which is in most fridges here in europe nowadays
23:51 <Ampera> especially considering the high heat and constant compression/decompression cycles they go through
23:57 <Ampera> of course butane and propane are explosive.
24:23 <Ampera> mix them with air, set them off in an enclosed space, and you will get a big bang
24:49 <Ysjoelfir> sure. but in a controlled environment like in a closed AC system?
25:14 <Ampera> I mean I guess you have gas in the same car so whatever
25:18 <Ysjoelfir> which is why I mean its not explosive per se. many things are, if mixed with oxygen^^
25:32 <Ysjoelfir> thats also a very valid argument
25:50 <Ampera> but it's my understanding modern refrigerants tend not to be flammable.
26:04 <Ampera> Some propellants are, but those tend to be two different concepts
26:25 <Ysjoelfir> they are moving towards those, yes. but I still wouldn't want to have R1234y in my car.
27:24 <Ysjoelfir> in home AC systems start to use pure propane (R290 IIRC) and just carbon dioxide, which I very much would love to use, as its very cheap and very safe. but its pretty hard to rebuild an AC to accept that afaik
30:13 <Ysjoelfir> R1234y isn't flamable, but has (at least in my eyes) a strong downside beside that - the biggest one is, that it creates a highly toxic and acidic gas when sprayed eg. on a hot exhaust manifold, which isn't that uncommon in a car.
30:52 <ThunderSqueak> another day and my new flute will be here! I am extremely excited :D
31:15 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and... I would love to use just the proper refridgerant, R134a. but... its not allowed to buy that as a regular person in germany. we don't have those refill packs you USA guys have in each harbor freight :(
31:42 <Ysjoelfir> oh, a flute? :D nice!
31:56 * Ysjoelfir silently swaps ThunderSqueak 's flute with a bagpipe
39:15 <K> byee
42:15 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
42:20 <Ysjoelfir> Anti- Hello K
42:30 * Ysjoelfir hits EEVBlog
51:05 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
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15:49 <Nothing\> oh man is my cat lucky
16:05 <Nothing\> i got an extra piece of salmon on my california rolls
16:10 <Nothing\> so i cut it up for him
16:33 <Nothing\> unfortunately i found the reason there was an extra piece was to cover up the piece below it that was all full of bones
16:51 <Nothing\> seriously who the fuck puts cuts of salmon with bones in it in sushi?
17:30 <Nothing\> never wmould have thought grocery store sushi would have such poor quality
19:26 <Nothing\> thinking i might set off some of that permanganate today
19:42 <Nothing\> it's beautiful weather outside, 25c according to my mum's car
20:15 <Nothing\> also RIP Alex Trebek
20:48 <Nothing\> he just died yesterday :( such a shame cuz last i heard he was responding unusually well to his therapy. but also in a fair bit of agony on a daily basis.
21:08 <Nothing\> so i for one am glad that he's finally been set free of his pain at least
21:37 <Nothing\> seems to be a running theme among people i know/know of who died recently though
24:13 <Nothing\> also god help me, i've become addicted to an idle rpg type game
24:56 * T3sl4 hug Nothing\
27:24 <T3sl4> yeah, rip trebek, and sean connery just the last week or so; which gives us perfect meme-orials like https://i.imgur.com/xzoURjE.jpg
27:35 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 
27:45 <Nothing\> yeah somehow trebek's death hit me harder
27:49 <Nothing\> i almost wanted to cry
28:05 <Nothing\> honestly, i haven't been moved that much by a celebrity death since billy mays
28:36 <Nothing\> i mean, the guy was so jolly and lovable. He was like a big ball of sales-fueled happiness.
28:45 <Nothing\> and his enthusiasm was contagious
28:52 <Nothing\> fuck anthony sulivan
29:12 <Nothing\> doesn't come close to the brilliance of a billy mays pitch
29:23 <Nothing\> or even that vince shamwow guy
29:35 <T3sl4> trebek was a real solid guy
29:40 <Nothing\> he really was
29:50 <Nothing\> for some reason i keep feeling like bob barker's next
29:55 <Nothing\> but he's actually in really great shape
30:04 <Nothing\> he does martial arts and keeps physically active
30:19 <Nothing\> you can tell he spennds a lot of time outdoors from his california tan
30:44 <Nothing\> and apparently he's 96 years old
31:28 <Nothing\> despite the nagging feeling, i can easily see him living past 100
32:19 <Nothing\> hrm i should see if this version of kirby wii i got works
32:40 <T3sl4> or betty white
32:49 <Nothing\> it's pal and i don't recall ever having problems with pal versions of games, but i got a pal version of pikmin that wouldn't display properly no matter what i tried so i dunno
32:56 <Nothing\> oh yeah, betty white's ancient
33:00 <Nothing\> and oh so hot
33:12 <Nothing\> man i'd totally have a threesome with her and janet reno
33:30 <Nothing\> i'm not gay, but janet reno's just the sorta guy i'd let give me a jolly good rogering
33:42 <Nothing\> RIP
35:36 <Nothing\> aww my cat wants to be an EE. I just caught him with one of my unijunction transistors
44:54 <Nothing\> well, aren't you guys a verbose bunch today
45:22 <Nothing\> don't make me say the names of everybody in the nicklist with the hopes of causing a highlight event and thus a beep
45:25 <Halcyon> It's early
45:31 <Halcyon> And I have to go to work :(
45:34 <Nothing\> it's almost 2pm here
45:38 <Nothing\> aww man that's the worst
45:43 <Nothing\> whether it's work or school or what
45:55 <Nothing\> getting up early is almost agony for me
46:27 <Halcyon> I got up at 0500, I was awake probably a few hours before that because I couldn't sleep :(
48:22 <Nothing\> i usually get up around... oh i dunno these days, some time around noon
48:31 <Nothing\> except i woke up at 10am today cuz i had to poop
49:00 <Nothing\> and i'm the sort where once i've gotten up and done something, like if i get up for a snack or something, there's no going back to sleep very easily
49:32 <Nothing\> i was already up, pooping, and reading the news so i figured i might as well get up
49:46 <Halcyon> Speaking of pooping...
49:48 <Halcyon> Later guys
49:54 <Nothing\> that's my morning thing, i get up, and poop while i read google news
49:57 <Nothing\> Halcyon, enjoy!
50:01 <Halcyon> Always do
50:07 <Nothing\> don't take any guff from those swine
51:02 <Nothing\> it's funny, one of my earliest memories was of being in grade 3. I had no idea what constipated meant, just that it sounded like a funny word. So I jokingly kept telling my friend he was constipated.
51:21 <Nothing\> then i fake sick with a spurious tummy ache for a few weeks to get out of school
51:40 <Nothing\> and right as i'm found out, i end up suffering from a painful bout of... you guessed it
51:43 <Nothing\> constipation
51:53 <Nothing\> it was like some sort of a karma thing or something
52:38 <Nothing\> thank heavens i didn't tell him he had leukemia
55:44 <Nothing\> this idle game is fun and all, but i've got nothing to do in between tending to it
56:22 <Nothing\> oh, i had this idea for an experimenting involving calorimetry and a microwave
56:34 <Nothing\> or at least attempting to do calorimetry with a microwave
57:04 <Nothing\> basically my idea is to get a known volume of water, measure and note the temperature
58:08 <Nothing\> then microwave it for X amount of time, and see how much the temperature goes up. and use the difference to work out how much energy was put into the water and thus the efficiency of the microwave oven with an object of that shape, density and polarity
58:46 <T3sl4> indeed
58:56 <Nothing\> I can do that for a wide range of times and plot a graph of microwave time vs the difference in temperature
59:13 <Nothing\> see if there's any difference in efficiency with longer cooking times
59:13 <T3sl4> watch the power dip as it heats up, too
59:31 <Nothing\> yeah actually i'd like to connect it to something to measure the power
59:40 <Nothing\> but i'm not sure i trust my kill-a-watt meter
59:43 <T3sl4> that too, with ample cooldown time inbetween of course
59:53 <Nothing\> but it says the power output is 1,200 watts
00:00 <T3sl4> even the chinese clone killawatts seem to be alright
00:05 <Nothing\> ah i didn't think it would get that hot
00:26 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i dunno man, like hooking it up to my computer, it never went above 120 watts of power draw
00:37 <Nothing\> or therewere some other anomalies too
00:41 <T3sl4> doing what?
00:56 <Nothing\> well, idling it'd be more like 60-100 watts
00:59 <T3sl4> if you aren't rendering 100% CPU + GPU, a PC doesn't need much
01:02 <Nothing\> 120 watts was taxing everything
01:09 <Nothing\> playing just cause 3 i believe
01:22 <T3sl4> might not be 100%, but that should be up there
01:22 <Nothing\> i mean not hugely taxing, buti t should have raised the power draw
01:51 <Nothing\> especially if the cpu goes from what's its base frequency? 3.6ghz to 4.4ghz
02:06 <Nothing\> you'd expect a noticable increase in power draw
02:30 <Nothing\> or comparingthe figurethe kill-a-watt gave me to one of those USB am/voltmeter
02:32 <Nothing\> s
02:59 <Nothing\> you know the ones where you plug one end into the usb port and then plug the device into it and measure the power draw
03:24 <Nothing\> according to the ammeter the charger was drawing less power than the device it was charging was drawing
03:28 <Nothing\> which, how does that happen?
03:44 <Nothing\> watt meter
03:46 <Nothing\> not ammeter
04:02 <T3sl4> those things might not be as accurate
04:05 <Nothing\> but even the current was less
04:23 <Nothing\> like the thing just gives me apparently spurious readings all over
04:35 <Nothing\> what i need is a proper voltage standard or something
04:42 <Nothing\> AC voltage standard
05:06 <Nothing\> or a standardized current sink
05:17 <Nothing\> one of those adjustable loads
05:46 <Nothing\> i dunno how good those chinesium ones with the fans are but they can't be that bad
05:52 <T3sl4> draw me like one of your french current standards
06:06 <Nothing\> lol
06:17 <Nothing\> it took me a second to get the reference
06:45 <Nothing\> and i was just saying today that my two favourite movies of his are the aviator and catch me if you can, in that order
07:15 <T3sl4> :)
07:28 <Nothing\> i haven't reallywatched his newer movies, except wolf of wallstreet which i wasn't a huge fan of.
07:45 <Nothing\> just another movie to glorify drug use for the young impressionable ones like i once was
08:26 <Nothing\> i'm not saying that's why i use drugs, but it certainly contributed. there's no doubt about that. I mean i seriously doubt I'd have started because of movies alone.
08:38 <Nothing\> if there were no other factors at play
09:36 * Nothing\ checks his idle rpg
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10:44 <Nothing\> draw me like your french pieces of gold wire
11:15 <Nothing\> oh hey T3sl4
11:33 <Nothing\> how familiar are you with the potassium permanganate/glycerol reaction?
11:43 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
11:47 <Ampera> it go POOF
11:50 <Nothing\> i was thinking with the beautiful weather, today would be a great day to set some off
12:03 <T3sl4> haven't done it, personally
12:10 <Nothing\> but i want to know if it makes any dangerous byproducts i need to be aware of or anything i can't just throw away
12:19 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera 
12:21 <Nothing\> heya buddy
12:28 <Ampera> how ya do
12:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, btw does it bother you when i call you buddy?
12:45 <Ampera> why would it
12:45 <T3sl4> looks to be it takes some seconds to start, then it gets going, then it flames the hell out
12:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, cuz it's more of a masculine term
13:03 <Ampera> it is?
13:11 <Nothing\> it feels like it to me
13:20 <T3sl4> do it outside, the permanganate is reduced to MnO2 or Mn2O3 or the like, nothing more toxic than what's in alkaline batteries
13:21 <Nothing\> but anyways i'm doing well
13:37 <Ampera> as best as I know it's a generic amiable term
13:41 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's what i figured
13:45 <Nothing\> manganese dioxide
14:02 <Nothing\> all that lovely black gunk mixed with ammonium chloride
14:07 <Nothing\> which must smell delicious
14:20 <Nothing\> isn't ammonium chloride what they make smelling salts from?
14:51 <T3sl4> bicarbonate
14:55 * Ampera sneezes in magnesium
14:57 <T3sl4> chloride is odorless
15:03 <Nothing\> ammonium bicarbonate?
15:04 <Nothing\> huh
15:14 <Nothing\> i remember smelling smelling salts once
15:19 <Nothing\> my brother tricked me into it
15:27 <Nothing\> holy shit are those things unpleasant to smell
15:28 * T3sl4 grignards Ampera
15:32 <Nothing\> and painful
15:45 <Ampera> what the fuck did you just say to me
16:02 * Ampera gets the whacky go lucky stick, prepares to perform percussive maintenance on T3sl4 
16:10 <Nothing\> heh actually i just remembered i've had poppers before
16:20 <Nothing\> like amyl nitrite, butyl nitrite, etc
16:34 <T3sl4> https://www.organic-chemistry.org/namedreactions/grignard-reaction.shtm
16:37 <Nothing\> i'm not sure exactly what nitrite it was, it was just sold as "alkyl nitrites"
16:46 <Nothing\> or nitrates, rather as is the improper name
17:01 <Nothing\> everyone always calls them alkyl nitrates, though those ones are toxic
17:16 <Nothing\> but anyways nitrites are what they give to people who are suffering angina
17:41 <Nothing\> it causes sudden vasodilation so it opens up all of the blood vessels in the heart real nicely
17:46 * Ampera pours isopentanol all over Nothing\'s face and body
17:50 <Nothing\> but also gives you a hell of a head rush at the same time
18:09 <Ampera> one day I want to collect all the alcohols
18:20 <Nothing\> it's supposed to be good sex and masturbation but honestly the only time i tried it for masturbating, i went limp as a dead plant the second it took effect
18:37 <Nothing\> presumably cuz the blood vessels in my penis dilated and let all of the erection blood out
18:38 <Ampera> masturbation is dumb
18:42 <Nothing\> it really is
18:42 <Ampera> it's a sin, you'll go to heck
18:46 <T3sl4> antiviagra
18:47 <Ampera> or something
18:51 <Nothing\> i find it a waste of time
18:53 <Ampera> T3sl4, I need some of that
19:07 <Ampera> though the drugs I'm taking seem to gradually be helping with that
19:13 <T3sl4> Ampera, prohibiting masturbation is a sin, it leads to increased prostate cancer
19:16 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well what it's really used for apparently is facilitating anal penetration becuse it relaxes the sphincter muscles
19:34 <T3sl4> yeah i've heard that mentioned from time to time
19:34 <Ampera> T3sl4, then I am the most sinful person among us, as I've never masturbated in my entire life
20:03 <Nothing\> yeah, i just bought the stuff from a sex shop
20:04 <Ampera> I'm not capable of deriving pleasure from the act whatsoever, so it's not really possible
20:10 <Ampera> you can buy sex?
20:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol i started when i was like 7 or 8
20:12 <Ampera> woah
20:23 <Nothing\> i had bad knees so my parents got me this vibrating massager
20:28 <Ampera> nice
20:31 <Nothing\> and somehow i figured out it felt real good on my willy
20:50 <Nothing\> lol i remember the one time using it for like an hour or two straight
20:58 <T3sl4> Ampera: you can buy anything, you should try it some time :p
20:59 <Nothing\> blood came out of my peehole
21:05 <Ampera> T3sl4, try what
21:10 <Nothing\> as an 8 year old, it scared the ever living shit out of me
21:15 <Nothing\> i thought i broke my dick
21:33 <Ampera> Nothing\, mine came broken from the factory
21:40 <Nothing\> lol
21:51 <Ampera> I've had the warranty request in for a while but I don't think I'll get anything from the manufacturer
21:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've got this thing called peyronie's disease
22:01 <Ampera> sound cool
22:03 <Ampera> er, sounds cool
22:05 <Nothing\> which is where you have a fibrous lump in your penis on the erectile tissue
22:13 <Ampera> fibrous
22:21 <Ampera> those are the best sort
22:27 <Nothing\> it makes it extremely painful when i get an erection from the pressure of the lump pressing on everything
22:33 <Nothing\> and makes me piss like a sprinkler
22:42 <Nothing\> lol yeah
23:11 <Nothing\> the only way to fix it is surgery, but i know that's awake sorta surger and fuck having somebody stick needles into my dick and cut it open while i'm conscious
23:33 <Nothing\> nevermind having doctors manhandle my penis and the risk of getting a rando erection as a result
23:44 <Nothing\> either from the handling, or nervousness, or both
23:45 <Ampera> you can't request to be put under anyways?
23:54 <Nothing\> i don't think so
23:57 <Ampera> that's dumb
24:00 <Nothing\> not if they can do it while awake
24:05 <Ampera> I'm ordering lunch I should be able to ask for what I want
24:14 <Nothing\> plus i'm certain if it's close enough to my urethra to affect urination
24:22 <Nothing\> i'll probably need a catheter while i heal
24:35 <Nothing\> and i speak from experienec, those things suuuuuuck
24:41 <Nothing\> especially going in and coming out
24:53 <Nothing\> the one time i had a catheter in for 3 days
25:07 <Ampera> Nothing\, you're just a cornucopia endowed with an immense plethora of both psychological and biological travesties
25:12 <Nothing\> fucking nurse decided to yank that bastard out of me like he was starting a damned lawnmower
25:21 <Nothing\> that was the single most painful thing i've ever felt
25:37 <Nothing\> i dropped to the floor instantly incapacitated from the pain
25:50 <Ampera> I laughed at the lawnmower bit
25:56 <Nothing\> and all i could do was lie there moaning while my brain tried to process what just happened to me
26:11 <Nothing\> lol that's what it felt like
26:24 <Nothing\> like i was a stubborn lawnmower he was trying to start
27:03 <T3sl4> everyone knows you don't start the anal beads lawnmower
27:05 <Nothing\> but eventually after a few minutes of agony, i wiped up whatever discharges i had, pulls up my pants, which were still around my ankles and left
27:07 <T3sl4> how do you fuck up the dick beads
27:15 <Nothing\> the nurse didn't even stick around to make sure i was alright
27:29 <Nothing\> as soon as he yanked that bastard out, he moved on to the next guy
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27:53 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4
28:01 <Nothing\> it was a catheter, not dick beads
28:04 <Ampera> Nothing\, he must have had a lot of lawnmowers to start
28:06 * T3sl4 gives arch some anal beads
28:24 <Nothing\> and i'm sure dickbeads are a real thing
28:28 <Nothing\> i mean, if sounding rods are
28:30 <Ampera> HI ARCH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YANKING CATHETERS OUT OF COCKS, DO YOU WANNA JOIN IN?
28:37 <Nothing\> lol yeah
28:45 <Nothing\> we're talking about catheters and dickbeads
29:07 <Nothing\> happy conversation hour at #EEVblog
29:34 <arch> Ampera, sign me the fuck up
29:48 <Ampera> I've said this before, but do you think when Dave started the EEVBlog this is the sort of conversation he intended to foster?
29:53 <Ampera> arch, damn straight
29:55 <arch> for sure
30:35 <Ampera> the moment anything not a liquid goes in or out of a penis I'm out of there like a dad going to get smokes
31:11 <Nothing\> what's 2.24e7 in standard form
31:21 <ThunderSqueak> wow work went bonkers
31:22 <arch> 2.24x10&7
31:29 <arch> 2.24x10^7th power
31:31 <Nothing\> i can never remember, the number after the e is how many places you move the decimal, right?
31:44 <Nothing\> arch, right but in imean in standard nnn,nnn,nnn form
31:50 <Ampera> 22,400,000
31:56 <Nothing\> thanks
32:04 <Ampera> for a positive exponent, move the decimal to the right that number of times
32:05 * arch orders Nothing\ be sent back to middle school
32:09 <Ampera> for a negative, do the inverse
32:11 <Nothing\> so it's the number of places after the decimal
32:24 <Nothing\> arch, there are some bits and pieces and i stll get mixed up on
32:42 <arch> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/998/529/094.jpg
32:49 <T3sl4> Ampera: by dave's continued lack of police presence we can only assume that these conversations are as god intends
32:52 <arch> jk
33:05 <Ampera> any link that has "facebook" in it is by definition cursed
33:14 <Nothing\> arch, in fairness, i dropped out in grad 9 and other than taking 2 weeks to get my GED when i was 20, i haven't had any formal education beyond that
33:38 <arch> i shoulda went to trade school instead of college
33:39 <Nothing\> i'm all self taught, so there are inevitably gaps and weak spots in my knowledge which i'm always trying to fill
33:59 <Nothing\> i shoulda went to school instead of doing drugs
34:08 <arch> =(
34:12 <arch> why not both?
34:17 <Nothing\> it wasn't until my 30s that i really started studying academically
34:29 <arch> better late than never is what i say :D
34:33 <Nothing\> arch, because drugs impair your ability to learn and retain information
34:41 <Nothing\> arch, absolutely
35:14 <Nothing\> i mean, i just took up EE 3 years ago but for me it's not about any sort of end goal or anything. I just enjoy learning.
35:19 <Ampera> I dropped out of high school and college because I'm just that brilliantly stupid
35:35 <Nothing\> and so I enjoy the journey of learning more
35:43 <Ampera> I was going to try and become a sparky, but then I got a job breaking shit for a living and that's where I am now
35:52 <arch> oo same here. i can't get into EE on-the-paper, as i failed 2 or 3 classes, calculus3 being one of them, so i've been exiled =(
36:03 <Nothing\> i've just been on disability for almost 15 years
36:10 <Ampera> calculus was sadly some of the easiest shit I've done in college
36:14 <Ampera> wish I remembered fucking any of it
36:23 <T3sl4> failed quackulus? *disowns forever*
36:29 * arch reminds Ampera that numbers cannot be penetrated
36:39 <Ampera> arch, can they penetrate me?
36:48 <arch> if you're a mechanical engineer, yes
36:49 <Nothing\> i briefly worked in a call center while i was still an active addict and that just proved to interfere with it too much
36:52 <T3sl4> Ampera, god money he'll do anything for you
37:23 <T3sl4> i suppose you could s/money/numbers/ and some other things and still have that song make sense
37:24 <T3sl4> hmm...
37:26 <Ampera> taking drugs is like blowing your face off with a shotgun while attempting suicide but not killing yourself.
37:34 <Ampera> that is one of the worst analogies I have ever made
38:12 <arch> you're the worst thing you'r mom made
38:17 <arch> fuck i failed
38:19 <Ampera> yeah I'd say so
38:27 * arch kills himself from making typo
38:28 <Ampera> her having children was the biggest mistake she ever made
38:32 <Nothing\> cuz i was spending hours a day just trying to get opioids for the sake of feeling normal, then working full time shifts
38:37 <Ampera> and whats worse is she won't even own up and deal with the mess she made
38:47 <Ampera> arch, *from -> for
38:54 <Nothing\> -and nevermind if i couldn't get the drugs, then i'd have to try and keep it togetherthrough a shift while WDing
39:21 <Ampera> I just realized my work never made me take a drug test
39:31 <Ampera> huh
39:49 * Ampera sneezes paprika all over T3sl4 
40:02 <arch> both would work. "foo killed himself from making a typo" (example: prescribed 10mL of fentanyl to person instead of 1mL)
40:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know that nutmeg is actually psychedelic
40:21 <Nothing\> you will genuinely trip on nutmeg if you eat enough of it
40:25 <T3sl4> i've had like one drug test ever in my life
40:26 <Ampera> yes I do
40:34 <Ampera> though it's not that great of a psychadelic
40:36 <Nothing\> in fact, that emu fellow did a video about a guy who overdose on nutmeg
40:42 <Nothing\> Ampera, noooo not at all
40:53 <Nothing\> i've tried it myself as a teen when i was more adventurous
40:57 <Ampera> T3sl4, did you get a 100% on it?
41:02 <Nothing\> it basically felt like being mildly ill for 2 or 3 days
41:03 <T3sl4> as i understand it, nutmeg isn't as bad as like datura, but still not a good idea
41:06 <Ampera> I'd expect you to get a good score
41:12 <Nothing\> you just feel run down and groggy and all around unpleasnt
41:13 <T3sl4> Ampera: the only test i got a 0% on
41:26 <Nothing\> plus the compounds in nutmeg are known to cause liver damage
41:31 <Ampera> I think the lowest grade I ever got in my life for anything was something in the 70's
41:40 <Ampera> I forgot what it would have been
41:46 * arch gives Ampera a cookie
41:51 <Ampera> and this being an in-class assignment, not for an entire class
42:00 <Ampera> the lowest grade I've ever gotten for a college class is A-
42:10 * Ampera monsters arch's cookie
42:12 * arch gives Ampera a gold star
42:19 <Nothing\> interesting fact, the psychedelic compounds in nutmeg are actually related to MDMA (ecstacy)
42:38 <Nothing\> or you guys ever hear about the toxicity of cinnamon?
42:55 * arch snorts some cinnamon power for the latest tiktok craze
43:05 <Nothing\> it's not a psychedelic or anything, but it can be very toxic
43:06 <arch> powder
43:19 <Ampera> everyone who uses tiktok should be rounded up and tortured to death for the pure cancer they've imposed upon the human race
43:53 <arch> on my network, i've blocked twitter, instagram, myspace, facebook, and tiktok
43:54 <Nothing\> it has a blood thinning compound in it, so sufferers of toxicitytend to bleed out as a result of it
43:59 <T3sl4> Ampera, don't forget fortnite
44:15 <Nothing\> i never played any of those online games
44:17 <Ampera> T3sl4, I'm not eager to torture small children to death, maybe their parents while they watch
44:25 <arch> Nothing\, wouldn't it also be a risk for getting a brain hemmorhage?
44:37 <Ampera> arch, I'm not that extreme but I try to keep away from all of those
44:54 <Ampera> both my parents and my dad's girlfriend use facebook
45:01 <Ampera> they're all fucking cancerous tumors
46:01 <Nothing\> arch, i would imagine so
46:11 <Nothing\> but don't quote me on that
46:34 <Nothing\> man it's beautiful outside today
46:43 <Nothing\> it's just like summer
46:57 <Nothing\> aww my kitties are washing eachothers' faces
47:09 <T3sl4> same, really windy today too
47:10 <Nothing\> doing that ting where they pretend they don't like it
47:15 <Nothing\> meanwhile they go back for me
47:19 <Ampera> I wish I had someone to mutually lick faces with
47:29 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i forget, what state oare you in again?
47:36 <Ampera> Nothing\, of panic
47:39 <T3sl4> WI
47:50 <T3sl4> so it'll be by your way pretty soon, most likely
47:57 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's okay eventually they get out of hand and start biting oachother on the mouth
48:03 <Ampera> hot
48:10 <Nothing\> i figure it's a cat's way of making out
48:12 <Nothing\> lol
48:32 <Nothing\> T3sl4, ah so your weather's coming this way (southern ontario)
48:44 <Nothing\> we're supposed to getrain in a couple of days
49:23 <Nothing\> i prodicted it based on the mackarel skies we had
49:33 <Nothing\> and a drop in barometric pressure
49:41 * Ampera smackerels Nothing\ with a attackerel whackerel
49:43 <Nothing\> which will mean wind and rain
49:52 <T3sl4> and having seen a lot of shops in my time,,,wait
50:01 <Nothing\> lol
54:31 <Ampera> important: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhEfvGZM6jw
55:25 <T3sl4> steven, is that you?
02:42 <coppice> its not fat enough to be him
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28:40 <Nothing\> oh, T3sl4
28:52 <Nothing\> i found a few games that are vaguely based around chemistry you may enjoy
28:57 <Nothing\> puzzel style games
29:04 <Nothing\> there is...
29:41 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1168880/MOLEKSYNTEZ/
30:05 <Nothing\> it's like, uing algorithms to construct molecules atom by atom
30:21 <Nothing\> tbh anything from those devs is brilliant
30:51 <Nothing\> and then less related to chemistry but more along the same lines is iths...
31:09 <Nothing\> er lemme find a ink
31:52 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/558990/Opus_Magnum/
32:10 <Nothing\> this one's especially cool. I actually plan on buying it even though i've pirated it.
32:18 <Nothing\> those guys deserve me money
33:13 <Nothing\> or something a little different and more oriented around assembly programming for puzzle solving:
33:15 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/TIS100/
34:41 <Nothing\> there tehre's another where you use a hardware description language to build various parts of a computer, starting with gats and working your way up to various computer modules like memory or the ALU or what have you
35:15 <Nothing\> eventually culminating in the building of a full SOC computer
35:32 <Nothing\> via this FPGA type HDL
37:01 <Nothing\> okay other meds are kicking in so i should probably do the permanganate before i become what i dub "chaotically blind" where i get both moderate double vision combined with extreme blurriness
37:31 <Nothing\> the only way to overcome it is to close one eye, eliminating the double vision
38:18 <Nothing\> and yeah, sorry guys i know talking a lot. lord help me i'm bored.
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51:31 <MrMobodies> Hello
52:02 <MrMobodies> just found out why the Areca raid controller seems very slow at certain read operations
55:00 <MrMobodies> Write back cache, tagged command queueing (on drive pass through), read ahead cache and experimented with the queue deph to disabled.
55:33 <MrMobodies> but yet NCQ is also present in System configuration options and is turned on.
56:00 <hsn> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nicolasfillon_stm32-stmicroelectronics-ugcPost-6730560114480308224-EJ2J
56:05 <hsn> Doom on stm32
57:26 <MrMobodies> fantastic. It also looks there is kind of bilinear filtering
57:32 <MrMobodies> can't see the blocks
58:40 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/JjUf9WH.jpg
02:18 <hsn> Hmm
12:27 <Nothing\> welp, i finally set some of potassium permanganate
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12:37 <Nothing\> and now i've got a hypoglycemic attack
12:42 <Nothing\> yay...
12:57 <rust_phone> woohoo
13:08 <Nothing\> ah well, it's not the best solution, in fact it's probably the worst solution, but it's nothing a few spoonfulls of sugar won't fix
13:20 <Nothing\> rust_phone, it sucks cuz it makes me anxious as fuck
13:42 <Nothing\> but i already have an anxiety disorder, so it's hard to tell what's from sugar and what's from anxiety
14:14 <Nothing\> and i checked my blood sugar and it's 4.2
14:21 <rust_phone> do you have a cure for eating a bowl of jalapenos?
14:21 <Nothing\> where normal range is 5-7
14:41 <Nothing\> chipotle-away
15:44 <rust_phone> the girl who made my kebab had a mean grin... oh well
16:22 <Nothing\> ah fuck i'd love to have a kebab
16:30 <Nothing\> they don't have a single kebab place in this city
16:33 <Nothing\> it's such a shame
16:54 <rust_phone> whaaaaa? is that possible
17:04 <Nothing\> in canadan it is
17:14 <Nothing\> we're not big on kebabs i guess
17:35 <Nothing\> fuck you though
17:39 <Nothing\> you've made crave a kebab
17:55 <rust_phone> any time buddy
18:30 <Nothing\> i'm making a microwaveable ravioli tv dinner
18:41 <Nothing\> the "low fat/Calorie" type
18:52 <Nothing\> not that i care about thta. it just tastes good
19:28 <rust_phone> that is sort of important
21:18 <Nothing\> it is?
21:24 <Nothing\> i thought it was just buzzwords
21:53 <MrMobodies> falories?
22:12 <Nothing\> i mean, they can slap it on anything as longas the nutritional information on the back agrees. and of course it agrees
22:12 <MrMobodies> I mean for the low fat calories
23:17 <rust_phone> the wife os weird like that. we were looking at the menu of an indian restaurant, and when we ot to the vegetarian part, she just scrolled past... she was not vegan....
23:41 <Nothing\> ah i'd give my left nut for a proper biryani right now
23:42 <rust_phone> taste is sort of important
23:43 <Nothing\> with raisins
23:46 <Nothing\> and cashesw
27:29 <rust_phone> now... my question has to be... who with biryani would want your left nut?
28:18 <rust_phone> seems like a bad deal to me... one little meatball....
31:22 <rust_phone> i understand how this kebab place works, as you give them one badger, or 3 small, or 2 large cats, and you get dinner. but one left nut...
33:58 <rust_phone> hah... hsn... i thought you people were best friends with israel now?
39:39 <Nothing\> actually
39:57 <Nothing\> i had a persion roommate who made biryani a lot and he also made curried goat testicles once
40:02 <Nothing\> so... you never know
40:16 <Nothing\> btw, curried goat testicles... delicious
40:19 <rust_phone> sure... but one?
40:28 <Nothing\> they have a texture like fleshy dumplings
40:46 <Nothing\> oh snap, that's what i should get my mom to make
40:51 <Nothing\> german dumplings and gravy
41:10 <Nothing\> it's basically like bread, flour and water wadded up into balls and then boiled until solid
41:21 <Nothing\> i'm sure theer's more to it, but holy shit is it ever good
41:27 <Nothing\> and dense
42:47 <rust_phone> aryan noodles... sounds good
43:00 <Nothing\> lol they're not even close to being noodles
43:11 <Nothing\> oh okay
43:15 <Nothing\> bread, flour, water and egg
43:24 <rust_phone> cooked flour... close enough
43:24 <Nothing\> then you roll them into balls and boil them
43:41 <Nothing\> pasta uses semolina
44:53 <Nothing\> i tried playing the back to the future game yesterday
45:13 <Nothing\> it's not a bad game necessarily, but i'm not a huge of of point and click adventures
45:34 <rust_phone> and you got back to dos 9?
45:36 <Nothing\> plus to relesae a point and click adventure in this day and age feels like missing the bell about 20 years too late
45:50 <Nothing\> oll
46:22 <Nothing\> you know there actually was a version of dos called DOS 7.0 that worked like an actual operating system
46:31 <Nothing\> actually i think it WAS an actual operating system
46:43 <rust_phone> I dont know... it might mot be all fancy, but some people like simple games
46:44 <Nothing\> had a lot of nice looking shells afaik
46:54 <rust_phone> hmm. ok
48:13 <rust_phone> dos 7 was in w95, and 7.1 was in 98, it says
51:34 <rust_phone> that should run on the old box... but i have to fo
51:44 <rust_phone> go
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59:54 * Nothing\ sighs deeply
00:05 <Nothing\> can i ask you guys a favor?
00:18 <Nothing\> can somebody (at least try to) put a smile on my face?
01:19 <Nothing\> was supposed to be a nice day but my mum's been bitching at me every since i woke up. biting my head off for the smallest thing.
01:53 <Nothing\> like asking if she's seen my ecig anywhere. Not asking where it is with the assumption that she knows, but wording it carefully so as to simply ask if she's seen them.
01:59 <Nothing\> and i get snapped at
02:23 <Nothing\> it's like, i don't even know how i'm supposed to word it
02:42 <Nothing\> she stilltakes offense to it
03:08 <Nothing\> and her negative mood's just been rubbing off of me and ruining my good mood
03:55 <Nothing\> thinking i should just shut myself away in my room, but i'd be liable to fall asleep
20:43 <Nothing\> what's some good video editing software?
20:55 <Nothing\> i can't remember what i used to use....
21:07 <Nothing\> power director, that's it
22:33 <Nothing\> hrm dunno if the stopped making it or what but the most rceent version on BT is from 2013
22:55 <Nothing\> wasn't a bad little video editing suite. Did what I needed it to.
23:30 <Nothing\> and i was able to make the one piece work i'm most proud of. a re-edit of survivorman
25:36 <Nothing\> i'm thinking sony vegas pro
25:55 <Nothing\> it's not that big, has a more recent release
27:02 <Nothing\> and yes, i am very very bored
45:22 <Nothing\> wow wtf
45:53 <Nothing\> my one video just DEMONSTRATING a webcame i took the IR filter off of to make an infrared camera
46:01 <Nothing\> this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpm4r-oslM&ab_channel=Nothing%5C
46:08 <Nothing\> got flagged as being age restricted
46:28 <Nothing\> wtf is age restricted about any of that? and why is there no appeal process
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54:07 <Nothing\> hey arch
54:18 <arch> hi
54:24 <Nothing\> ahaha!
54:26 <Nothing\> life!
54:32 * Nothing\ runs up and hugs arch
54:36 <Nothing\> LIFE!
55:07 <Nothing\> lol this place has been dead all day and aas a result of that and my boredome i've largely been talking to myself again
55:16 <Nothing\> how have you been?
55:27 <arch> not so well =(
55:39 <arch> outa work for 6 months so far
56:51 <arch> thankfully, not hurting for money or shelter, buuuut, i would have liked to get a spectrum analyzer and some other tools this year
57:04 <arch> but that's gonna have to be postponed until i get a job again
58:32 <arch> right now im preparing for getting my OSHA30 DOL card, that way at least i can get into some sort of apprenticeship in a trade
58:49 <arch> ideally, i'd like to work with an electrician, but im pretty interested in carpentry too
59:14 <arch> ooh or HVAC, that's fun
59:57 <arch> plumbing's sorta...meh. can't see myself being interested in cutting and joining pipes and whatnot
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05:09 <arch> hopefully, Biden-san's administration creates more blue collar jobs instead of the lazy bastards that run wall st. i'd totally wanna be into PV panel setups and such.
05:25 <arch> or other alternative energy sectors
09:42 * arch poops on Nothing\'s front yard
11:10 <Nothing\> arch, imo from having a dog pooping on my yard, it makes the grass come out much greener and healthier on that spot
11:24 <Nothing\> pee on somebody's yard though... well taht's a whole other store
11:29 <Nothing\> stoy
11:39 <Nothing\> you know whtat i man
12:19 <arch> :3
16:53 <MrMobodies> just came across this article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13150230/staffer-trump-wont-leave-white-house-name-everything/
17:19 <MrMobodies> it reminds me of this parody before Trump was elected
18:21 <arch> The Sun is under a lot of shitstorm due to the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard fiasco
18:33 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/j23aDToZeqE?t=98
20:18 <MrMobodies> Joke: Oh "Jonny" who seems to be out of hid "depth" and "Amber" got "heard" how he attacked her in court... etc
22:09 <MrMobodies> getting his followers to write is name on everything reminds me like that parody above "He's getting so full of himself"
22:20 <MrMobodies> oops 2:13
23:00 <MrMobodies> and if he don't leave quietly as asked to do so it might not be good for his health
25:14 <arch> worst comes to worst, they can just lift up the white house, move it somewhere else (with trump inside it), and build a new white house, this time with RGB lighting and strobelights, lasers, and a large disco ball
34:10 <ThunderSqueak> *dances*
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00:25 <rust_collector> Nothing\, don't worry, it is not your fault, some times people are in a bad mood, and everything is wrong, even if you give them cake. She will be happy some other day, just use those days in stead
01:29 <coppice> Nothing\: its mostly the female dogs whose pee kills the grass, the bitches
03:51 <rust_collector> maybe make a cake, unless you make sounds or mess in the kitchen
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20:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: No new local cases in NSW for several days now. Plus all the daily cases from day 1. The Victorian 2nd wave has now dropped to zero. Remarkable. As remarked before, life is basically normal here in Sydney, no masks, basic hygiene & social distancing. Hugs & handshakes common. https://t.co/Wu6yhw6c9V
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10:46 <arch> i just learned something new. for a flybuck converter, you can add synchronous rectification to your secondary output by using a PMOS and tying the gate to the switch node! https://i.imgur.com/FBiRcou.png
11:39 <arch> i wonder if it would work for a nonsynchronous buck? technically, the voltage would be clamped to 0.6V below ground, right?
12:48 <T3sl4> what output diode does a buck have
13:05 <arch> reverse biased
13:11 <arch> at the switch node
13:41 <arch> oh woops, i mean 0.6V above ground
13:58 <T3sl4> no you didn't?
14:08 <arch> what?
14:10 <T3sl4> but i think you'll find transistors aren't noninverting to do that
14:35 <arch> what are you referring to right now?
15:53 <arch> Q1 would only be effective if the output voltage was >3V, since most PMOS have high RDS below that, right?
17:02 <arch> i'll have to make that on copperclad soon, i wanna see for myself
17:08 <arch> seems pretty neat
18:01 <T3sl4> also supply > output
18:15 <T3sl4> i don't know why it's making 3 and 5 from 5, but whatever?
18:28 <arch> dont ask me, it's a TI appnote
19:58 <arch> it's still ground referenced, so idk why they would do that. my first guess woulda been isolation otherwise
20:28 <arch> https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt118/slyt118.pdf
23:39 <T3sl4> heh so, if it ever stops switching, Vgs goes to Vout(high)-Vout(low), which shorts out the difference down to about a Vgs(th)
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24:01 <T3sl4> so startup and shutdown conditions are questionable, and full wave operation is mandatory
25:26 <T3sl4> i suppose if it stops switching, the transistor is its own blocking oscillator, which boosts the output difference back into the input supply via the U1 body diode
26:41 <arch> T3sl4, want me to tell ya the results when i make it?
27:15 <arch> i only have 1:1 coupled inductors though
27:33 <arch> sooo i would get the same vout? 3.3V on both?
28:23 <T3sl4> 3.3 and 6.6
28:56 <T3sl4> which i guess would work at 7 < Vin < 20 or so, give or take what the Vgs limit is
29:34 <T3sl4> you need a continuous switching sync reg, not burst mode or whatever
29:46 <arch> right, i meant 3.3V as a separate winding, but 6.6V in series
30:15 <arch> ahh ok, so i guess that rules out the TPS econo-mode ones that i have
30:38 <arch> i think i have some SC189
32:12 <arch> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2722618.pdf "The converter operates at fixed 2.5MHz switching frequency allowing small L/C filtering components."
33:17 <arch> i probably have some salvaged SOIC8 fixed freq synchro convs, and for sure i have SOIC8 synchro buck controllers, so i can def make that
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02:04 <Nothing\> this is disgusting
02:20 * Ampera hugs Nothing\'s disgusting thing
02:50 <Nothing\> an article in the news about this 19 year old aboriginal woman who was detained by RCPM for being intoxicated in public
03:25 <Nothing\> while in the process of making her strip down to one layer, when she hands or tosses her belt to the one officer
03:39 <Nothing\> she gets punched in the jaw and knocked out cold
03:56 <Ampera> you can always trust a mountie
04:16 <Nothing\> so their response is to strip off a layer of pants as she was meant to do and drag her to her cell while she's still uncoscious
04:30 <Nothing\> then leave her there writhing in agony for 15 minutes while medical arrives
04:42 <Nothing\> also
04:46 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
04:57 <Nothing\> thanks man, i needed it after that bit of disgust
05:12 <Nothing\> like they had video of the incident
05:20 <Ampera> nice
05:34 <Nothing\> and just seeing the police station and cells, i guess i'm not quite over my arrest yet
05:43 <Nothing\> kinda triggered me anxiety
06:23 <Nothing\> actually the one who struck her basically amounts to a bylaw enforcement officer
06:30 <Nothing\> according to the article
06:53 <Nothing\> which i don't get how an RCMP (federal) enforces bylaws (municipal)
07:11 <Nothing\> but that's manitoba for ya
30:38 <arch> i wonder how single layer copperclad buck regs perform, noise wise. i've done a build with single layer boost, and the waveforms are cleeeaaan as hell
34:36 <arch> this is gonna be a test to see how well this TPS562201 performs on single layer copperclad PCB: https://i.imgur.com/AjTy8A8.png
34:45 <arch> im gonna print out tomorrow
35:10 <arch> obviously, it's not done yet. gotta do the ground pour and a little bit of cleanup
35:35 <arch> but red traces are manhattan routing (enamel wire) on top of the ground pour
40:00 <arch> i did make one of those TPS562201 on a double sided PCB, ordered from oshpark, and that one only had ~20mV ripple iirc, so i have a good reference
40:32 <arch> under 2A load, and it was such a tiny PCB too, amazing how efficient and tiny of a ripple modern buck regs have
41:09 <arch> you try making that same thing with a MC34063, you're gonna have a bad time, and it's gonna take a crapton of room, AND it can't do 2A continuous output current
44:19 * arch resists badmouthing the MC34063 further, as it is to be revered as the starter IC that every noob uses in their EE days :3
44:21 <Nothing\> hholy shit
44:28 <Nothing\> shelley duvall went off the deep end
44:38 <Nothing\> like, worse than any celebrity i've ever seen imo
44:41 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYU5t620e_c
44:58 <Nothing\> she looks and sounds like florida woman
45:01 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
45:34 <Nothing\> WTF
45:39 <Nothing\> BLASPHEMY!
46:11 <Nothing\> this SNES ROMs back that was supposed to be complete, at least for north america, was missing Earth Defense Force
47:02 <Nothing\> like she says she doesn't believe robin williams is dead
47:10 <Nothing\> but rather that he's shapeshifting
47:57 <Nothing\> i wonder if it's the result of drugs or mental illness alone
52:28 <Nothing\> apparentyl just mental illness
13:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just got a call from @eBayAU Thought the call was about my Managed Payments account application, but it was a sales call wanting me to join Managed Payments! They are utterly clueless.
25:07 <Nothing\> what a bunch of ignorant twats
25:30 <Nothing\> i say we lynch them. have them drawn and quartered and then have a blood orgy with their corpses
25:43 <Nothing\> that'll teach them to do better next time
26:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: YouTube's lovely way of reminding you daily how much your content sucks. https://t.co/5eOzsmsNge
27:29 <hsn> https://twitter.com/Factswd/status/1325829832433930241?s=20
31:18 <hsn> steve30, are u based london ?
32:12 <steve30> no, i'm two hours away from London
34:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: In the Four Seasons thing the Democrats have finally found a meme that's truly funny.
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39:08 <hsn> steve30, well ur neighbors are playing with trump wax
39:13 <hsn> :D
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51:12 <Nothing\> man i'd love to visit london
51:41 <Nothing\> but due to my criminal record, i doubt any country would let me in
15:36 <hsn> what did u do Nothing\
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54:51 <hsn> T3sl4, meow https://www.instagram.com/p/CHY033znzGW/?igshid=kzk5ehojtsc5
55:54 * T3sl4 stares at hsn, ears cocked
56:09 <hsn> ears cocked ?
56:24 <hsn> like cat ?
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02:36 <hsn> hey T3sl4 isnt sha1 rainbow tables generated and considered cracked just like md5 is ?
03:38 <T3sl4> they have 256 bits worth of string-hash pairs now?
04:14 <T3sl4> oh, 160 bits
04:35 <hsn> i read it before its considered cracked just like md5 ..
04:59 <hsn> but someone send me sha1 i cant find it in online websites
05:00 <hsn> :D
09:15 <T3sl4> ah, it's down to 2^68 hashes to generate a collision
10:09 <T3sl4> rainbow tables and variants will get you a good range of typical passwords in a database leak but they don't help any in cracking an unknown strong password
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13:28 <hsn> seems like there is a salt .. as he gave me two hashes .. one of them is hashing (PASSWORD) .. but its not available on online tables
13:39 <hsn> so idk how to find the salt :D
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54:23 <hsn> this is stupid .. this brute forcing is not gonna finish
58:12 <hsn> https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/211478/does-putting-salt-first-make-it-easier-for-attacker-to-bruteforce-the-hash
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09:56 <Halcyon> Mew
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16:03 <hsn> mew back to u
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16:29 <hsn> Halcyon, tell me what im doing is useless
16:45 <Halcyon> Tell me what you are doing first
16:56 <hsn> trying to find password of "FCFAC4B144DD5BCC48F65A0BB21DA454C1AA0314" sha1
17:07 <Halcyon> Why is that useless?
17:13 <hsn> knowing that the password is "PASSWORD"
17:38 <hsn> bcz online rainbow table didnt find it .. it means they did lots off salt combinations to "PASSWORD" right ?
17:54 <Halcyon> I would be surprised if that wasn't in a rainbow table
18:04 <Halcyon> But, failing that, dictionary attack using hashcat
18:56 <JoePublic> Hello! I was wondering if any you have fella's could give me your two cents on a board I'm laying out?
19:04 <Halcyon> I actually have a book on password cracking at work, it would have a guide in there
19:40 <Halcyon> JoePublic, feel free to ask, not sure who is around at the moment. I'm not an EE so I'm unlikely going to be able to help you, but others might be lurking around.
19:59 <JoePublic> Hahah ok perfect.
20:03 <hsn> im also unlikely going to be able to help u .. bcz im sucker
20:24 <hsn> suppose to be under name of EE .. :)
20:42 <JoePublic> JW what do non-EE's come to the eevblog for?
20:46 <JoePublic> Software folks?
20:56 <Halcyon> The lolz
21:00 <JoePublic> Hahahaha
21:06 <Halcyon> But seriously, we're all nerds in our own way
21:24 <JoePublic> Ahhh I see - no I was just curious, it seems like a specific niche
21:24 <Halcyon> I'm into Vintage Computing. But my expertise is in networking, cyber security and digital forensics.
21:36 <Halcyon> A lot of us has cross-over interests.
21:40 <Halcyon> *have
21:42 <hsn> Halcyon, the thing im doing now is python combine "PASSWORD.salt" and encrypt to sha1 and compare it to the "FCFAC4B144DD5BCC48F65A0BB21DA454C1AA0314"
21:54 <hsn> but now im thinking .. someone should allready did all of this !!
21:56 <JoePublic> Oh damn, very cool. I think I worked some sort of industrial investigator in the past.
21:57 <Halcyon> Except I don't share T3sl4's love of cats. Cats are dumb.
22:10 <JoePublic> Cat are dumb.
22:12 <T3sl4> you're salty
22:21 <steve30> Cats are clever :p
22:22 * Halcyon licks T3sl4 
22:31 <Halcyon> Oh here we go. I have stirred up the cat people.
22:33 <JoePublic> Hahahaha
22:42 * T3sl4 meows at JoePublic
22:55 <Halcyon> I'm just going to sit here and be quiet and finish watching Fran Blanche's new video
23:01 <Halcyon> JoePublic, ask away
23:10 <JoePublic> Well so I've got a lot of the main application stuff sorted out (lora modules, mcu connections etc) and I'm just trying to double check some of my power stuff
23:25 <Halcyon> Oooh you're into LoraWAN?
23:37 <hsn> JoePublic, everytime u want to ask pure electronics .. u've to meew first .. u will attract some good people here ;)
23:55 <Halcyon> Or bring catnip, one of the two
23:57 <JoePublic> *meows conffusedly*
24:34 <Halcyon> JoePublic, before you go on, where you at? You "sound" Aussie
24:39 <JoePublic> I've got a couple LoRa projects going, nothing actually makes it to main LoRa network yet though.
24:42 <JoePublic> Seychelles atm
24:55 <Halcyon> Way off
25:01 <JoePublic> Product will be deployed to US, Australia, & South Africa
25:25 <Halcyon> I would be interested in talking to you about Lora though. I am looking to build my first network of sensors and a gateway. But you go with your thing first. We can talk later,.
25:36 <JoePublic> Doesn't make it to "The Things Network"
25:53 <JoePublic> There's some really solid libraries and dev boards out there
27:03 <JoePublic> I'm doing all peer-to-peer, so the big "aha" moment was when I realized I could just point the LoRa buffer at a C object and iterate and send the raw bytes
27:29 <K> hello
27:57 <JoePublic> This device is going to be attached to scuba mask so that freedivers and spearfishers can locate their buddies easily in the water, and so far lora is working nicely on the surface of the water. Only need about 100-400m range
27:59 <Halcyon> Howdy K
28:06 <JoePublic> On the surface that is
28:11 <JoePublic> Howzit bruddah
28:23 <Halcyon> Ahh I remember reading something about a similar project, did you ask on the forum as well?
28:34 <K> itsa morning.
28:38 <JoePublic> Yeah! There are few people I can talk to here XD
28:47 <Halcyon> *nod*
29:20 <Halcyon> It's that good time of day where you can get people from all different timezones (and T3sl4... I am convinced he never sleeps)
29:30 <JoePublic> So I have a battery charger, a battery "fuel gauge", a buck-boost regulator, and a push-button power-controller
30:08 <JoePublic> I have never used any of the components before, and having 4 new devices in the power path makes me suspect that the board will be a brick when I finally receive it from fab
30:32 <hsn> Halcyon, so hashcat is "john the ripper" the modern version ?
31:25 <Halcyon> Two different programs
31:32 <Halcyon> But yeh, does similar things
31:58 <Halcyon> https://hashcat.net/wiki/
32:37 <Halcyon> This might also help: https://www.darkmoreops.com/2014/08/14/cracking-md5-phpbb-mysql-and-sha1-passwords-with-hashcat/
33:07 <JoePublic> https://ibb.co/VDr7CC8
33:37 <hsn> i know the password is "PASSWORD" Halcyon .. im trying to find the salting method .. which way i should use .. "Core attack modes" ?
33:51 <hsn> Brute-force attack and Mask attack - trying all characters from given charsets, per position (mode 3)
33:55 <Halcyon> Ahh the SHA1 you have is salted?
33:59 <hsn> im no expert i've no dictionaires
34:17 <hsn> Halcyon, its "FCFAC4B144DD5BCC48F65A0BB21DA454C1AA0314" and i tried "PASSWORD" didnt work
34:27 <JoePublic> Sent the shematic and then I have some questions about grounding as well
34:54 <hsn> tried few "md5online.com" sha1 style website .. they dont find it
35:18 <Halcyon> It would explain why it wasn't in the rainbow table
40:47 <Halcyon> Sorry JoePublic, looks like you're not having much luck.
40:56 <Halcyon> The forum probably would be the best place for it.
42:18 <hsn> the lora thing is intresting .. and hello K
42:18 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
50:31 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
50:39 <hsn> hola Ysjoelfir
51:12 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, hsn!
51:34 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
51:38 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, Halcyon!
51:42 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, EEVBlog!
51:51 <JoePublic> Halcyon no worries mate, yeah just figured its worth an ask. Always nice to have live feedback if possible
51:57 <Halcyon> EEVBlog is being extra attentive tonight
51:58 <Halcyon> :P
52:36 <Halcyon> Of course JoePublic, I don't blame you for asking. You're welcome to stick around :)
55:46 <Ysjoelfir> No! We don't want publicity! :O How dare you, Halcyon, inviting just an average person to join this holy refuge without acquiring the needed expertise to worship the allmighty god of all, our beloved T3sl4 ?
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> Also, hello JoePublic and welcome to the channel :)
57:02 <Halcyon> Hahaha this isn't invite-only, it's welcome to all :P
57:22 <Halcyon> Maybe if you posted a photo in a cat onesie?
57:24 <Halcyon> :P
57:26 * T3sl4 smites Ysjoelfir a bit
57:56 <Ysjoelfir> I..... actually have a cat onesie.
58:02 <Halcyon> Pics
58:06 <Ysjoelfir> or have had, dunno if that still exists
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58:14 <Ysjoelfir> I can see if I find it this evening
58:14 <Halcyon> I would like to see this
58:18 <Halcyon> Hahaha
58:21 <Halcyon> Amazing
58:46 <Ysjoelfir> Also, Kelly has a sheep onesie
58:54 <Ysjoelfir> was it a sheep? I think so
59:07 <Halcyon> Sheep are smarter than cats
02:56 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir can u decrypt somthing for me ?
03:01 <hsn> "T3sl4 stares at hsn, ears cocked"
03:10 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, did you hear the good news?
03:15 <Ysjoelfir> sure I can :D
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04:46 <Halcyon> Nope?
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06:21 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, what "ears cocked" mean
06:42 <Ysjoelfir> mrs. spouse and I went to the gyneWhatDoIKnow-PussyInvestigation-Doctor and after years of trying it is highly likely that there is a mini Ysjoelfir growing in her
06:59 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - he is looking at you with a curious face
07:01 <Halcyon> Oh huzzah
07:03 <hsn> woho
07:05 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: :o
07:07 <Halcyon> That's good right?
07:24 <Ysjoelfir> I hope so? :D
07:26 <hsn> congratz
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07:35 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okrWO8sZscg
08:00 <Ysjoelfir> well, its nothing to write home about right now, as this early it can just die without any reason, but... its the first time that ANYTHING ever happened there :)
08:30 <Halcyon> And by the sounds of it, you've been having lots of fun :P
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08:34 <hsn> he cant just die .. he have no right to ..
09:03 <hsn> congratz is it a boy or girl .. just kidding :P
09:18 <Halcyon> Is it a boy or are you having an abortion ? :P
09:33 <steve30> I think I figured out why some of my video rendering takes for ages. Its not the rendering of edits that takes ages, its the x264 encoding.
09:34 <Ysjoelfir> lol Halcyon
09:42 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, I take it you've seen Borat?
09:47 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, they say .. if its a boy .. "you only have to worry about one man"
10:07 <hsn> if its a girl .. "you have to worry about all mens"
10:11 <Ysjoelfir> I have, the first one
10:16 <Ysjoelfir> lol hsn :D true^^
10:19 <Halcyon> steve30: Why not just upload it in DV or whatever the native format is?
10:29 <Halcyon> Why encode it, only to have Youtube re-encode it?
10:57 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, congratulations
11:44 <steve30> Halcyon, It encodes to HuffYUV in no time. But I'm sure uploading a 50GB file to Youtube will take just as long as encoding to h264. Plus I do not want to store a 50GB HuffYUV file on my HDD as I will run out of space.
11:46 <Ysjoelfir> thanks to you too steve30, and everyone I might have missed ^^
12:12 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, seriously though, that's great news
12:27 <Halcyon> Also, your life is over :P
12:33 <Halcyon> Well... at least for 18 years
12:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
12:42 <Halcyon> ....maybe longer
13:16 <Ysjoelfir> I know, I know.
13:24 <Ysjoelfir> But... well.
13:46 <Ysjoelfir> The Ysjoelfir must live on!
13:59 <Ysjoelfir> One has to make sacrifices
14:53 <hsn> its not bad ..
15:08 <hsn> :) .. just first few years "physically" ..
15:15 <hsn> after its only mentally
15:16 <hsn> :D
15:20 <Ysjoelfir> lol
15:28 <T3sl4> baby's first pacifier, weller or hakko? :D
15:38 <hsn> xD
15:45 <T3sl4> lead free of course, we all need to make sacrifices in such times
16:34 <Ysjoelfir> weller. Or maybe JBC
17:46 <Ysjoelfir> and some stannol solder on top
18:41 <K> home grown ersa is no good for fancy Ysjoelfirs, eh?
21:49 <Halcyon> Have you thought of names?
23:22 <T3sl4> maybe a little early to get into that, things are by no means certain just yet
23:29 <steve30> I need to pop out to the shops soon
23:34 <Ysjoelfir> I have to admit that the last time I used an Ersa is... like 20 years? it was one of those 230V firesticks. worked good, but meh. The good iCon stations are just a bit expensive for my liking, while the Wellers are still somewhat reasonable priced, despite them being owned by cooper now.
23:53 <Ysjoelfir> true, T3sl4. but we at least have decided which name we do NOT want :P
24:23 <Halcyon> What's on the "no" list?
25:08 <Halcyon> What about Dave Ysjoelfir ? :P
25:40 <Ysjoelfir> no. :P we don't want it to be Chlymdia. xD
27:52 <Halcyon> ?
28:11 <T3sl4> well, by law too
28:29 <T3sl4> tho i forget if that's nordic or .de or who all has those laws?
28:46 <Halcyon> You could name it after me... "Mikhail Ysjoelfir" :P
28:48 <Ysjoelfir> meh, can't find it. I once saw a video where some guys were playing CS:Go and they were talking about some diseases. and one misread Chlamydia as Chlymdia.
29:38 <steve30> I got offered Chlamydia screening at the doctors once
29:49 <Halcyon> You floozy steve30 :P
30:22 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, we already have a Michaela as a friend :P and in general its hard to find names we both like, as I like german or scandinavian names, while mrs spouse likes english or irish names.
30:40 <Halcyon> Mikey
30:51 <Ysjoelfir> and T3sl4, its here like that, no idea about nordic countries though.
31:23 <Halcyon> Most people call me "Mike"
31:34 <Ysjoelfir> lol :P I think I'll discuss that when its "alive". like, having a heartbeat and not only being a little blob of meat.^^
31:44 <Halcyon> Heh blob
32:31 <Halcyon> Gah I am so tired
33:33 <Halcyon> My brain is broken
33:50 <K> get a new then
34:04 * steve30 passes Halcyon a pillow
34:19 * Halcyon curls up beside steve30 
34:30 <Halcyon> (For a change)
35:00 <steve30> aww :)
35:28 * steve30 purrs Halcyon to sleep
39:53 <Ysjoelfir> K, do you have brains for sale?
40:03 <Halcyon> Braiiiins
40:05 <Halcyon> *groan*
40:17 * Ysjoelfir spits a pea at Halcyon
40:25 <Halcyon> Thanks :P
41:24 <Ysjoelfir> no idea if it was obvious what I was refering to?^^
42:03 * T3sl4 splits Ysjoelfir's pea
42:10 <Ysjoelfir> :O
42:16 <K> nope
42:34 <Halcyon> It was :P
42:47 <K> Ysjoelfir: i have ersa iCon nano on my table here, it is very nice
43:04 <K> has the shortest distance from grip to tip i've seen
44:16 <Ysjoelfir> K, then you need to play Plants vs. Zombies to understand^^ And I like the iCons, but they are just a bit expensive for me. could get my Hands on a used JBC and got a weller PU81 for free from works trash (just had a burnt fuse...)
44:47 <Ysjoelfir> and of course I built my own DIY JBC controller for the JBC Nano irons. that one is pretty neat
44:56 <Ysjoelfir> the iron I mean. the station... not so much
45:25 <K> heh ive played plants vs zombies a long time ago, was nice
45:41 <Ysjoelfir> then you should get the reference :P
46:22 <K> when i was looking for soldering station, all other types were very close in price and did not have solid supplier
46:41 <hsn> u guys we should get together and play "among us" .. at some time steve30 Halcyon K Ysjoelfir T3sl4 Ampera
46:54 <hsn> and who else idk who plays
47:14 <T3sl4> i'll get it if yall do
47:43 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm up for that
47:51 <Ysjoelfir> I noticed that the price of soldering stations are highly depending on where you live, getting JBC stuff is oretty hard here.
47:52 <hsn> what is the good time for all of us
47:57 <Ysjoelfir> whats that?
48:03 * Ysjoelfir googles that game
48:13 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, its .. i kill u .. and i point to T3sl4 .. and others kick him :D
48:22 <Ysjoelfir> sounds great, lets do it!
48:38 <hsn> what is suitable time for all of us
48:57 <K> yeah, i dod look at jbc, but just couldnt justify the hassle
49:35 <K> the customs related things were more involved back then
50:12 <K> meanwhile franell had the unit and tips in stock
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56:22 <Ysjoelfir> that game sounds nice. I would join.
56:44 Quit: spark_gap ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving...
56:53 * Ysjoelfir steals K 's iCon
00:57 <K> no!
01:17 <Ysjoelfir> no?
01:22 <K> i'm the thieving eastern-european here!
02:18 * Ysjoelfir ties his car to the ground
03:25 <K> yes.
03:39 <K> but i don't have a drivers license, so car is not interesting for me
03:47 <Ysjoelfir> :O
04:00 <Ysjoelfir> well, you could sell it
04:32 <Ysjoelfir> no idea who would buy a 23 year old stolen volvo with 470.000km though
04:34 <K> "yeah, that car in that yard! 500 EUR and it is yours, go get it!"
04:44 <Ysjoelfir> exactly^^
07:22 <T3sl4> 470kkm? just getting her broke in
07:58 <Ysjoelfir> yep
08:14 <T3sl4> huh, my toyota has a little bit more than that, actually
09:01 <T3sl4> its at uh, 324k mi or something?
09:21 <K> eevblog convert 324 miles to km
09:21 <EEVBlog> The result is: 521.426 km
11:24 <Ysjoelfir> well, here we have the two long runner :P now we need someone with a subaru and we're golden, right?
11:51 <hsn> Eevblog convert subaru to gold
12:42 <hsn> If (hsn){ignore();}
12:48 <hsn> Thanks ampera
13:25 <Nothing\> put it in H
14:53 <T3sl4> she gets something hectares to the hogshead
15:01 <Nothing\> the funny thing is, i realized there WOULD actually be an H gear in a soviet/Russian car like a Lada or something
15:23 <Nothing\> T3sl4, 8 hectares on a single tank of kerosene
15:30 <T3sl4> right
15:34 <Nothing\> or something, i'm not sure of the exact hectares
15:47 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CHNU8rtqEgi/?igshid=4rdgb70d2y10
15:54 <hsn> Nice hourglass
16:05 <Nothing\> But anyways, since H in cyrillic script is pronounced as N and treated as the letter N
16:10 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/EgU0ORP.jpg
16:17 <Nothing\> it would be Neutral in a Lada or something
16:46 <hsn> T3sl4: i got the e39 i love it
16:50 <Nothing\> so there really would be an H gear lol
17:19 <T3sl4> Nothing\: i was hungry so i put it in "pi" but it's not going anywhere
17:19 <Nothing\> they were either really lucky with that, knew cyrillic or had driven soviet cars before
17:31 <Nothing\> oh it's going somewhere
17:34 <Nothing\> your stomach
17:37 <T3sl4> they knew cyrillic, simpsons writers are sharp
17:59 <Nothing\> yeah they had mathematicians on the staff, but i dunno about that era
18:18 <Nothing\> i mean, Conan's witty and all, but he's not exactly erwin schrodinger
18:21 <T3sl4> nothing like futurama of course, but something anyway
18:49 <Nothing\> although the had david X cohen on the staff back then didn't they
18:58 <Nothing\> or david S cohen as he was known back then
19:07 <Nothing\> or was it michael?
19:13 <Nothing\> i doen't even remembere now
19:57 <Nothing\> lol i think my mom stole my glycerine
20:01 <Nothing\> i can't find it anywhere
20:37 <Nothing\> i was gonna do a big pile of permanganate with a dimple in the middle to hold the glycerine cuz it just rolls right off of it
21:01 <Nothing\> it's like teflon and water
22:12 <Nothing\> makes me wonder what it would do when mixed with something else organic like isopropanol... rocket fuel? or unstable firey coolness
22:30 <Nothing\> or mixed with 1,1,1-trifluoroethane
23:02 <T3sl4> i don't think it's going to do anything spontaneous with alkanes or halides
23:22 <T3sl4> enes probably, alcohols sure
24:08 <T3sl4> under slightly more controlled conditions, it's used to cleave alkenes, it attacks the double bond and burns the ends
25:14 <Nothing\> haha that was lucky
25:27 <Nothing\> my mom got up and reminded me i put the glycerine in the cupboard
25:44 <Nothing\> of course! i never woulda thought to look there! (seriously)
27:07 <T3sl4> https://www.chemistrysteps.com/oxidative-cleavage-alkenes-kmno4-o3/
29:52 <T3sl4> glycerin being all alcohols, it just burns to shit, with lots of messy pyrolysis along the way, hence the charring and smoking, but CO/CO2 is a major product, not to mention the high heat
32:21 <Nothing\> that's what i figured
32:25 <Nothing\> co2 and water vapor
32:31 <Nothing\> the usual suspects
36:34 <Nothing\> huh
36:36 <Nothing\> Glycerin is mildly antimicrobial and antiviral and is an FDA approved treatment for wounds. The Red Cross reports that an 85% solution of glycerin shows bactericidal and antiviral effects, and wounds treated with glycerin show reduced inflammation after roughly 2 hours.
36:40 <Nothing\> who knew
37:14 <Nothing\> guess it makes sense with it being an alcohol but i guess being a polyalcohol i didn't think about it that way
37:51 <K> bacteria get drunk, fall over and die
37:56 <Nothing\> but there ya go, replace your rubbing alcohol with glycerol
38:53 <Nothing\> i always thought of this idea for a chemistry youtube channel whereby a person would use their own body as the reaction vessel
39:22 <Nothing\> like pouring potassium permanganate and glycerine in their ear
39:31 <T3sl4> :S
39:47 <Nothing\> or there was one with the mouth i can't remember
40:27 <Nothing\> pharaoh's serpent?
40:28 <Nothing\> lol
41:16 * Ysjoelfir starts preparing dinner
41:26 <Nothing\> lol it's almost 6am here
41:35 <Ysjoelfir> its 11:41
41:45 <Nothing\> ugh i suddenly have this inner feeling of restlessness
42:00 <Ysjoelfir> cool! come over and do my dishes.
42:07 <Ysjoelfir> after that you can do the laundry
42:54 <Nothing\> no it's more just useless repetive psychomotor agitation type things i do when i feel like this
43:08 <Nothing\> like bouncing a leg up and down
43:20 <Nothing\> or rocking back and forth
44:01 <Nothing\> the upshot is my calves are solid muscle
44:58 <Nothing\> bouncing my legs up and down for 10 hours a day, give or take
45:20 <Nothing\> great exercise. especially if you're a runner.
47:14 <Nothing\> kebert xela
04:40 Join: coppice ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
46:13 <steve30> I've just been out for a bit of shopping. Now I feel stressed.
46:24 <hsn> hey im teaching my self relaiblity stuff .. and got some question
46:43 <hsn> In order to put these numbers into context, let us consider a power supply with a MTBF of 500,000 hours, (a failure rate of 0.2%/1000 hours),or as the advertising would put it "an MTBF of 57 years!"
47:16 <hsn> how is it "500k hours" is 0.2% / 1k hours .. !! its not uniform over time no ?
47:41 <hsn> i mean first 1k hours is not same as last 1k hours of the 500k hours !
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03:53 <T3sl4> hsn, depends on the statistics. if they're assuming even distribution, it's correct
05:55 <hsn> T3sl4, ok .. let me show .. https://www.xppower.com/storage/documents/technical-articles/Reliability.pdf
05:57 <hsn> page 3
07:03 <hsn> i assume that even distribution of mtbf is different than the graph im seeing on this page which is R(t) ..
07:04 <hsn> ?
07:16 <coppice> hsn: in the age of showers, people have forgotten about the bathtub curve
07:32 <hsn> haaah
07:34 <hsn> nice one
08:59 <coppice> Most MTBF figures are talking about the flat bottom area of a bathtub curve. People like to use the average plebs poor understanding to say something like MTBF of 57 years, implying the thing can last 57 years, when they might all have failed after 10 years
09:02 <hsn> however T3sl4 .. that assemption of "a failure rate of 0.2%/1000 hours)" doesnt look right to me because after MTBF .. there is still 37% of the product live ..
09:38 <hsn> 37% of products didnt fail i mean
09:49 <T3sl4> statistics can't tell you how long /a/ device will live
09:55 <hsn> so they divided 57 years as 100% failure ?
10:02 <hsn> yes
10:18 <hsn> but i just want to know what is going on mathmatically :D
10:25 <T3sl4> the function is right there, MTBF is the 37% reliability point
10:27 <hsn> its all assemptions at end
10:56 <T3sl4> or the half life of the device is ln(0.5) times that, etc.
11:53 <T3sl4> "57 year lifetime" is meaningless, that's why they say "as advertising would put it"
12:40 <hsn> however ,, it might 37% chance live that much ..
13:21 <T3sl4> there's a 0.000...0001% chance it survives longer than the universe, what's your point
14:02 <coppice> In many cases there is zero chance it lasts beyond some well defined time. E.g. a rubidium clock
14:05 <hsn> so i would do (68% * 1000 hour / 500k hours ) = 0.136% / 1k hour ..
14:09 <hsn> this is what i ment ^^
14:21 <T3sl4> and again to stress "In region "B", is approximately constant and it is only for this region that the following analysis applies"
14:58 <T3sl4> coppice, do all those actually need to be recharged, or is there some internal recycling method they can use?
15:31 <hsn> my point T3sl4 is it should be 0.136% / 1k hour not "0.2%" ?
15:42 <coppice> T3sl4: I've never seen one that isn't lifed. I don't know if that'
16:03 <coppice> that's the most economical approach, or if continuous operation is impractical
16:27 <T3sl4> my vague understanding of the physics is, they should be fine, just a heated cell of the stuff, but i don't know the particulars of implementation
16:57 <T3sl4> hsn: you multiplied and divided by hrs, your result is dimensionless not per hr
17:10 <coppice> It was a huge boon when the telecoms industry started setting a life of 15 years for network equipment, as 20 year life clocks are easy to find
17:27 <K> difusion doing something strange maybe?
18:56 <hsn> T3sl4, hsn: aaaaaaa........
18:59 <hsn> :D
19:14 * hsn hit his head
19:31 <T3sl4> use log to convert probabilities, they give all the eqns
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