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00:00:56 <Ysjoelfir> Mr. pony: I actually know someone who is into that, have talked with her a lot. I think its a very interesting topic, though not neccessary something I would personally actively participate in, and I understand your wish for privacy, knowing what she told me about peoples regular reactions. :)
00:02:06 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, i have much less issues about things happening in person but posting details in an electronics chatroom feels very wrong for me
00:02:45 <Kuschelpony> but to say this, its for me not a game to play but more of a soul animal to bring alive
00:03:10 <Kuschelpony> im off agaoin for the next hours, see you back
00:03:35 <rust_collector> have fun
00:03:38 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
00:03:48 <Ysjoelfir> I like that guy
00:03:59 <rust_collector> yeah, he seems nice
00:04:11 <rust_collector> in a twisted way
00:04:13 <rust_collector> lol
00:04:26 <Ysjoelfir> as we are all, right? :P
00:04:32 <Ysjoelfir> did you see the video?
00:04:35 <rust_collector> no no,
00:04:40 <rust_collector> yes, some of it
00:04:43 <Ampera> good morning
00:04:56 <rust_collector> that... is not suitable for anything, imo, lol
00:05:02 <Ysjoelfir> I was just irritated about that strange chuck. wonder why its so unbalanced...
00:05:13 <rust_collector> mornings Ampera
00:05:13 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Ampera
00:06:03 <rust_collector> I think the design would be fine, for small round things, but I wonder if that one is assembled wrong
00:07:09 <Ysjoelfir> maybe he had the screw 180 degrees wrong? that could result in a runout of the two jaws, if those are not identical I guess?
00:07:47 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, and I understand your wish for privacy, knowing what she told me about peoples regular reactions. :)
00:08:11 <hsn> ppl regular reaction about discussing topics related to the "pony" the animal horse ?
00:08:35 <Ysjoelfir> your question was, how many people react?
00:09:20 <hsn> my question is .. i dont understand ur whole sentence .. what is with ponies that make ppl angry or so ?
00:09:44 <Ysjoelfir> just to finish my thought rusty: I thought basically like if you swap the order of a regular 3 jaw chuck. the things wouldn't be in the right order and would be off center.
00:09:51 <Ysjoelfir> hsn:
00:10:07 <Ysjoelfir> I think you didn't quite get what he meant :) He's not into the animal itself^^
00:10:14 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, he probably likes animals
00:11:13 <hsn> but ?
00:11:25 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, right. I think he is off by a thread, or has the jaws swapped
00:14:30 <Ysjoelfir> hsn: what he was refering to is a fetish called (at least here in germanistan) "Furry". its people enjoying to disguise as an animal, behaving like animals, and probably also having sex in disguise.
00:15:23 <Ysjoelfir> said friend I was refering to eg likes to behave like a rabbit. she looks realy cute in that dress. she goes to conventions, meeting with others, cuddling and hugging, but she isn't into sex in disguise. she just likes to "feel" like being an animal
00:16:08 <rust_collector> I wonder if being a snail is popular
00:16:22 <Ysjoelfir> I doubt it, as that would be a very fluffy snail
00:16:46 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ok .. we have no this stuff as "animal" here is insult xD
00:17:04 <hsn> i mean if i called u r a dog .. its an insult .. or u r donky ... etc etc ..
00:17:16 <Ysjoelfir> and AFAIK, most people enjoy being "close to" the real animal, also in texture. some have realy elaborate costumes made from real animal fur
00:17:18 <rust_collector> hsn, you probably do...
00:17:46 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - I thought so, which is why I explained it^^ and yes, as rusty said, probably there is such a thing in sandistan, too, but as most fetishes are, its probably not talked a bout in public
00:17:54 <hsn> i remember the 1st year tutor in english class came with class activity .. of act like animal it was halarious she was ok we were haivng fun on selected person
00:18:48 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, oh yeah i know it does exist in sex .. i used to see some ppl post somthing about it
00:19:20 <hsn> like a wife "married" instagram account teaching others some tricks or somthing xD
00:19:35 <hsn> that would be like "only for married ppl" account
00:20:24 <Ysjoelfir> Is that allowed by mr. king?
00:20:30 <hsn> idk
00:20:44 <hsn> it was not porn type post .. more like tips
00:20:47 <hsn> idk what
00:21:14 <hsn> the pictures would be just custom of monkey cloth or somthing ..
00:21:18 <hsn> for a monkey post
00:21:20 <hsn> :D
00:21:36 <hsn> and the tip would be like "say to him u like bananas"
00:21:37 <hsn> lol
00:21:44 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D nice
00:23:04 <hsn> that acccount was halarious .. idk even if the person behind it is trolling or what
00:23:45 <hsn> maybe at the end he is a man hunting for wifes .. idk .. but it was funny account i logged in once and read it load with friends and we were laughing hard
00:24:46 <Ysjoelfir> and now you are very very irritated and feel like you did a bad thing?
00:26:32 <hsn> nah why did i ?
00:26:39 <hsn> i was having fun with friends
00:28:23 <Ampera> you have friends?
00:28:25 <Ampera> damn
00:28:30 <Ampera> wish I knew what that was like
00:29:19 <Ysjoelfir> I know you mean "in person friends", but Ampera, you know that you are a friend for me :)
00:29:37 <Ysjoelfir> hsn: was just joking because of mr. king being very restrictive and such.
00:30:08 <hsn> i think mr king him self doesnt care tbh xD
00:30:16 <Ysjoelfir> no? :D
00:30:43 <hsn> but yeah its sort of society obligation so he would act like he care
00:30:47 <hsn> somthing like that
00:32:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I thought
00:34:33 <rust_collector> gaaawd... "midsize lathe for sale"
00:34:49 <rust_collector> this is the problem I keep running into
00:35:12 <Ysjoelfir> midsize = 2 tons, 3 meters?
00:35:26 <rust_collector> for this guy, something that can turn a 3.5m long piece is midsize
00:36:01 <Ysjoelfir> well. I think that depends on what your reference is :D if you regularely rebuild axles for trucks, that might even be a small lathe
00:37:22 <rust_collector> exactly. and it is a problem
00:37:46 <Ysjoelfir> I already like the size of my lathe, thats perfect for the home shop. a bit small though if I would have a garage
00:38:25 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=198505803
00:38:31 <rust_collector> that is a special one
00:39:53 <Ysjoelfir> the heck is that? looks very special. maybe for very small but very precise stuff like jets?
00:41:09 <rust_collector> who knows what it was designed to do.
00:42:26 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if you could add a real bed to that to have that thing being usefull
00:43:42 <rust_collector> I think it would be useful already. just that you can not do very long pieces
00:45:03 <rust_collector> oooh, coffee!
00:49:19 <rust_collector> I have to go to seljord one of these days, and nag a bit. there is a neat lathe there, but it is ownder by the fire dpartment, and they can not figure out how to sell things....
00:50:56 <rust_collector> it looks to be used very little, and it is small enough, without being just a toy
00:52:45 <rust_collector> iIrc, it would do a 700mm piece. which is plenty for me
00:53:31 <Ysjoelfir> aah, you told me of that one. you should definitely convince them
00:54:41 <rust_collector> they do want to sell it, but yeah, as it is "government owned" they do not know how to...
00:55:17 <Ysjoelfir> maybe just have someone tell everyone to leave the room for two minutes and when they come back they won't notice any signifficant difference?
00:55:48 <rust_collector> I have thought about a variant of that
01:00:49 <rust_collector> I also found a nice but somewhat large universal mill, which is "cheap"
01:01:01 <Ysjoelfir> mill sounds nice
01:01:17 <rust_collector> but... it is on a little island waaaay out in nowhere
01:01:33 <Ysjoelfir> I noticed that there is an attachment for my Proxxon lathe to add a mill. should try to get that.
01:02:02 <Ysjoelfir> so.. pick it up while driving past that island when at work? :D
01:02:37 <Ysjoelfir> a little (we call that "Beipack" in german..) additional freight won't be a problem, right?
01:03:24 <rust_collector> yeah, they have that weird tower thing. and you also have the "angle bed" you can put in place of the tool holder, that can be useful enough
01:03:40 <rust_collector> nah, if I have space, I can bring stuff, no problem
01:28:04 <steve30> hi
01:28:17 <Ampera> 737 MAX has been cleared to fly again
01:29:14 <rust_collector> oh great
01:29:20 <rust_collector> hi mr steve
01:39:13 <T3sl4> oh neat, my apartment got sold again, i think this is the 4th time since i've been living here
01:39:50 <hsn> T3sl4, why no one wants the apartment .. what did u do
01:39:55 <rust_collector> is that a version of people being dead in the news
01:40:04 * steve30 suggests T3sl4 buys something
01:40:12 <T3sl4> (not that that has much effect on me, just change the phone number, website, payment acct)
01:40:53 <hsn> made a particle moving machine inside and u sneak inside at night or somthing ?
02:06:48 <T3sl4> hmm, how the hell does one debug a JS iterator?
02:08:00 <rust_collector> hmm, webstorm?
02:09:01 <rust_collector> I dunno? it was just the first thing that popped up
02:09:37 <T3sl4> in chrome
02:10:12 <T3sl4> an Iterator seems to be an inscrutable object
02:10:30 <T3sl4> surely i can tell what item it's pointing to, or its source data?
02:13:49 * hsn console.log( T3sl4 ); //is only way to debug for hsn
02:14:11 <T3sl4> surely i'm a function call at least
02:14:31 <hsn> ur a wut ?
02:20:08 <hsn> T3sl4, the only iterator i was dealing with was this one
02:20:20 <hsn> https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_array_iteration.asp
02:20:44 <hsn> and i guess u want to see whats inside the iteration before the callback function ?
02:27:16 <T3sl4> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/@@iterator
02:27:36 <T3sl4> that's it, i'm doing it, i'm posting to stackexchange
02:29:14 <hsn> show me the post after
02:29:21 <hsn> i will raise ur question xD
02:29:28 <T3sl4> erm, stackoverflow
02:29:31 <hsn> vote up
02:30:36 <T3sl4> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64896096/how-to-interrogate-iterator-state-in-chrome-debugger
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02:39:49 <hsn> there is a guy who commented
02:43:40 <T3sl4> a link to the fucking standard? wtf
02:44:15 <hsn> xD
02:51:47 <hsn> T3sl4, lawyers are not ment to understand js
02:51:53 <Ysjoelfir> hah! got that thing out, rusty
02:52:02 * T3sl4 noogies Ysjoelfir
02:52:46 <rust_collector> about time.... you need to coffee more
02:53:19 <rust_collector> so, pics?
02:53:19 <Ysjoelfir> Well, it involved many carefull drillings and a heck of a lot of cursing
02:53:28 * Ysjoelfir pokes T3sl4
02:53:36 <rust_collector> oh yes. cursing helps
02:54:06 <rust_collector> and after all that, the bushing was in perfect shape?
02:54:20 <T3sl4> i do appreciate a nicely trimmed bush
02:55:04 <Ysjoelfir> yes. because its a freakin' steel bushing.
02:55:28 <rust_collector> so...
02:56:07 <rust_collector> is the other surface ok?
02:56:49 <rust_collector> or do you need a lathe, to fix your lathe?
02:57:10 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, it was a bit beaten on the outside, but that wasn't from the drilling but from the idiot former owner fucking that brass setscrew in that hole with what felt like 500N. but the bearing surface was fine, as was the shaft. has a few scratches, but thats only in the blueing. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g5N5g0XlpWrjFIHdO2dJIf1DnrH2jUG5/view?usp=sharing
02:58:10 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
02:58:53 <Ysjoelfir> cleaned everything, rethreaded the thread, now it runs smoothly and without much play
02:59:15 <rust_collector> so... you do not think it is an iron bushing. okays
02:59:40 <Ysjoelfir> could well be iron. I don't know if thats a thing?
02:59:45 <rust_collector> it is
03:00:01 <Ysjoelfir> when I think about bushing materials I think about gold colored metals :P
03:00:24 <rust_collector> you can use iron as a bearing material, to some degree. steel tends to not be great for that
03:00:45 <Ysjoelfir> then it most probably is iron
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03:01:16 <rust_collector> just keep it oiled. it will be fine, no matter what it is.
03:01:45 <Ysjoelfir> yep, put much oil in it.
03:01:52 <rust_collector> that end is just to keep your underwear from getting caught in the screw anyway
03:03:04 <rust_collector> hmm, i wonder if I still have that "bearing glue" somewhere...and if it still works
03:03:32 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :P next step would be the tailstock. I got a new housing for that, tried to get the... tapered thing where you put your tools in in there. its insanely tight, while it was completely wobbly in the old one. Now I wonder if I should lightly sand it until it fits smoothly, but I thought those things would be manufactured to size?
03:04:06 <rust_collector> we used to to fix sloppy electric motors... it was amazing stuff.
03:04:18 <Ysjoelfir> just add some glue, done?
03:04:35 <rust_collector> yes, it is either the wrong part, or.. I do not think sanding is the first thing I would try there
03:05:35 <rust_collector> we greased the axle, and put glue in the bearing gap, then it was taken apart, and line bored to whatever the spec was
03:05:50 <Ysjoelfir> its an original sparepart. and I would expect the old thing to shrink rather than expand xD
03:05:54 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds easy
03:06:20 <rust_collector> it is much easier than pouring in new weird white metal
03:06:55 <Ysjoelfir> I would expect that
03:07:24 <rust_collector> I guess, it is not a very critical dimension. as long as you don't make it sloppy
03:11:42 <rust_collector> hmmm, put your boring head in the chuck, and bore the tailstock to size?
03:12:22 <rust_collector> but, it does go it, just tight?
03:12:52 <rust_collector> in
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03:14:30 <rust_collector> maybe it just needs a little deburring?
03:14:46 <rust_collector> maybe you should cast a new allthethings?
03:16:02 <arch> true story: https://i.imgur.com/aTJ4yTs.png
03:16:17 <T3sl4> :)
03:19:34 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, let me say it like that... it goes in, yes. its very tight, yes. I have a cramp in my right arm from just moving that thing in and out two times, yes.
03:21:30 <arch> i_have_several_questions.gif
03:22:40 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, is the tailstock slit on one side, to clamp the slidy thing?
03:23:09 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but I haven't fit the screw for that yet
03:25:11 <rust_collector> no, but that is the way it is made. ok. well, measure the slidy thing first, to make sure it is straight-ish and sort of round. if it is, then, I guess sanding the bore a bit is ok
03:25:46 <rust_collector> if it is not.. eeh. I dunno?
03:26:04 <Ysjoelfir> heh :D I'll try. but not today anymore, I'm tired.
03:26:08 <rust_collector> it is the same tightness all the way?
03:26:14 <Ysjoelfir> yes
03:26:20 <rust_collector> great
03:26:21 <Ysjoelfir> well, more or less.
03:28:00 * steve30 curls up on T3sl4's desk
03:28:16 * T3sl4 tosses a mouse at steve30 to play with
03:28:57 <rust_collector> here is my schematics... and my steve of coooourse
03:29:11 * steve30 clicks
03:29:15 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. steve
03:31:24 <T3sl4> be careful up there steve30, the high voltage is still blinking away https://imgur.com/gallery/OF4jAxh
03:32:37 <steve30> mmm, warm cosy valves :)
03:35:55 <Ysjoelfir> TWOOOOOOBS!
03:36:18 * T3sl4 threebs Ysjoelfir
03:37:31 <rust_collector> my breakfast fries quit working
03:40:26 * steve30 curls up around T3sl4's valves
03:40:26 <Ysjoelfir> :O
03:41:29 <Ysjoelfir> not around T3sl4's twoob?
03:41:57 <T3sl4> i have several
03:42:05 <steve30> I'm english, we call them valves :)
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03:42:41 <hsn> ok im late in work
03:42:54 <hsn> time to leave the company
03:42:59 <Ysjoelfir> I mean the special tw... erm.... forget it :D
03:43:11 <rust_collector> hsn, what is for dinner?
03:43:20 * Ysjoelfir finished work roughly 3 hours ago
03:43:36 <hsn> rust_collector, this is exactly my wife question
03:43:39 <T3sl4> no, that's rusty. you germanned work
03:43:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:43:59 <hsn> rust_collector, maybe this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawarma#/media/File:Shawarma.jpg
03:44:04 * rust_collector is going to work when he is done eating
03:44:26 <rust_collector> yep, have that
03:44:45 <hsn> im hungry as fsck
03:45:08 * Ysjoelfir wants Döner as well
03:45:14 <steve30> i just had curry
03:45:17 * Ysjoelfir will have cabbage instead
03:45:40 <rust_collector> i will just gnaw on these rocks a bit
03:45:46 <hsn> or should i go for kabab .. nah thats expensive
03:46:03 <hsn> i have some grilling on friday .. notice my grilling rate increased
03:46:17 <hsn> this is because we can go out now :D so before next summer reaches
03:48:36 <T3sl4> rust_collector: what a goron
03:48:38 <arch> is it even possible these days to have *completely* open-hardware ICs? (excluding logic ICs and 555 timers, because those are already open). most ICs just show block diagrams instead of the whole schematic
03:49:20 <arch> well, most people wouldn't be able to manufacture transistors though, without billion dollar equipment, but making vacuum tubes is def possible with a glassblower
03:49:26 <T3sl4> arch: logic ICs are block diagrams too
03:49:50 <T3sl4> except for the most basic ones that are literal single transistors i guess, but those are rarely used
03:49:51 <arch> T3sl4, but logic ICs can be broken down to transistors logic
03:51:12 <arch> ok let's imagine this is an end of the world scenario, and you desperately need to remake some basic, yet closed-hardware, IC. what would your choices be if the fabhouses go bust and you can't get custom silicon etches. your only options would be vacuum tube tech like the old days right?
03:51:30 <hsn> T3sl4: the guy commented
03:52:22 <hsn> I was going to say this seem to be hidden unless u run debug of chrome it self .. but i ll be just guessing and crapping around xD
03:53:26 <T3sl4> if the world is that far gone, i'd be a lot less interested in much of anything electronic, and more concerned about mechanical power and where to find the fuel to run it
03:53:39 <arch> :D
03:54:20 <T3sl4> it's not like cellphones explode the instant the world goes nuclear or whatever, but they're an awful lot less useful without the network connecting them
03:54:45 <rust_collector> as long as I can blink my rgb leds, it is fine
03:54:58 <T3sl4> or my amber neons
03:56:10 <arch> ok imagine we lived in the 1300s. we have wildmills and watermills. we can get electricity by getting, idk, a blacksmith to make a rotor and stator attachment, and some metalworker to get us some spools of copper or iron wire--bam, we have electricity. now we can power shit, and hopefully not get burned at the stake for witchcraft.
03:56:44 <arch> o and magnets
03:57:04 <T3sl4> electrostatics and primary cells came before magnetics
03:57:04 <arch> hehe. reminds me of a dexter's laboratory episode
03:57:35 <rust_collector> nah, just make a battery that can store lightning.
03:58:20 <arch> https://youtu.be/fEIe8-3O2fM?t=202
03:58:20 <rust_collector> ?? it would be a good first step, imo
04:00:45 <rust_collector> good night
04:00:49 <T3sl4> o/
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04:33:49 <steve30> hello
04:43:52 <coppice> arch: why would you get burned at the stake for witchcraft, when they have the technology to electrocute you?
04:47:32 <arch> good point coppice
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06:58:19 <arch> this is neat. how to make a high performance scope probe socket for hands free probing :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4q8geE5ef8
07:07:02 * hsn probes Ysjoelfir
07:08:13 <Ysjoelfir> eek!
07:27:32 * T3sl4 analprobes arch
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07:35:58 * steve30 hugs Ysjoelfir
07:38:02 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1329064316641943552
07:43:22 * Ysjoelfir hugs steve30
07:43:25 <T3sl4> DHess_US: yikes
07:43:56 <DHess_US> We got new COVID restrictions yesterday.
07:44:48 <DHess_US> But they don't apply to the chosen, https://omaha.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/newsom-says-he-made-bad-mistake-attending-pricey-party/article_e934b20f-9fef-51ea-9a1a-30ace185e10b.html
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07:47:37 <DHess_US> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Newsom+says+he+made+%27bad+mistake%27+attending+pricey+party
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07:53:32 <DHess_US> https://stlcorona.com/dr-pages-messages/public-health-orders/all-public-health-orders-archives/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-safer-at-home-order/
07:53:45 <DHess_US> Doesn't really affect me more than the previous order.
07:55:24 <rc_phone> what? you still do virus things over there? oh well. I guess you were busy with the election, and stuff
07:56:33 <T3sl4> DHess_US: leaving when he realized it would be in violation, is "doesn't apply"?
07:56:35 <DHess_US> Well, they did make an order saying that it was ok to gather to protest Trump, but not to protest Biden.
07:57:19 <DHess_US> T3sl4, the governor of California wasn't the only politician to get caught doing that even recently.
07:57:29 <DHess_US> I would consider it routine by this point.
07:57:52 <rc_phone> radio said we are up to a nice round 300 dead here. not that we know if they would be alive, if they did not get the virus
07:58:06 <DHess_US> And I don't believe his sincerity. He is sorry he got caught.
07:59:12 <T3sl4> as for the protesters, that makes sense. those protesting for trump never wear masks, those against do
07:59:21 <electrohead> o/
07:59:48 <DHess_US> That wasn't the reason given.
07:59:50 <Ampera> hi electrohead
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08:00:11 <DHess_US> The reason given was that some social protests are more important than others.
08:00:15 <Ampera> the reason is we have terrible people in the world who refuse to let people express their views
08:02:10 <T3sl4> for the last time Ampera, freedom of speech ends when people die
08:02:11 <Ampera> Trust nor believe in any government which denies their people the right to protest it
08:02:44 <electrohead> lol, hey guys
08:02:52 <Ampera> T3sl4 the last time? Or what, you'll leave? Please do, make my day.
08:03:16 <T3sl4> i could
08:03:20 <Ampera> Fuck outta here with your dystopian bullshit
08:04:06 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCFHmayFRgI
08:04:14 <coppice> T3sl4: what about when you leave a recording with your will?
08:06:04 <T3sl4> estates inherit that freedom
08:13:50 * arch clubs T3sl4 with a baton and inherits his laboratory
08:14:42 <rc_phone> party at archs old place!!!
08:15:28 <arch> lol
08:15:58 <T3sl4> nooo my milkshakes
08:16:00 <T3sl4> wait...
08:16:14 <rc_phone> ok
08:16:42 <rc_phone> now?
08:18:09 <rc_phone> now?
08:18:18 <rc_phone> ...
08:18:26 <rc_phone> lalala
08:22:22 * T3sl4 hugs rc_phone
08:24:03 * rc_phone pops his eye back in
08:24:48 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/URe4lHv.jpg
08:25:08 <T3sl4> rc_phone: understandable, the pressure concentrates much more intensely on a phone
08:26:24 <rc_phone> yes not much area here
08:26:46 <rc_phone> well. I am done... laterssssssss
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08:36:53 <Nothing\> sigh
08:36:59 <Nothing\> well it finally happened
08:37:07 <Nothing\> i lost my shit and went fistacuffs with a wall
08:37:50 <Nothing\> luckily it was a solid concrete wall, so other than some of it flaking off where a screw was and some mild denting it's not too bad
08:38:43 <Nothing\> lol i tried to cover up the screw with same white out but it's not quite the same color. way too bright a white compared to the wall but at least in the dim lighting it looks pretty close unless you look for it
08:39:22 <Nothing\> i just need to figured out a way to darken the white out slightly. Maybe add some ground up graphite from a pencil to it or something
08:39:37 <Nothing\> but then that might just give it a speckled appearance
08:39:41 <T3sl4> Nothing\: hard on the knuckles tho
08:39:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah i eventually just started pounding on it with my fists instead of punching
08:40:29 <Nothing\> it was jut one of those things, ya know. where your stress builds and builds and eventually it just explodes out of you.
08:41:02 <Nothing\> i feel better now... i guess... i think
08:41:16 <Nothing\> though i still keep randomly feeling like crying for no apparent reason
08:41:26 <steve30> i have a few dents in my wall from having thrown things at it
08:41:36 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i used to do that too
08:41:47 <Nothing\> it's been a loooong time since i've hit a wall or gotten that angry
08:42:05 <Nothing\> well, it was more frustration than anger
08:42:24 <T3sl4> menopausal? :P
08:43:03 <Nothing\> frustration at how i felt. frustration at acting like a jackass and taking it out on my mom when she did nothing to deserverve it. In fact, she'd be the last person in the world I would say would deserve to be treated that way.
08:43:17 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's what it feels like, but i think it's my meds. at least in part.
08:43:31 <Nothing\> i'm gonna bring it up with my shrink when i see him in a couple of weeks.
08:44:33 <Nothing\> T3sl4, but i actually could be menopausal. being that because of the methadone and lack of hormone replacement therapy, my testosterone levels are about what you'd expect from an old lady.
08:44:35 <T3sl4> good idea
08:45:13 <T3sl4> yeah, from what you've said about your hormones and sexual interest, it's only partly sarcastic :P
08:45:27 <T3sl4> and something like menopause can happen in men, i guess
08:45:35 <Nothing\> oh absolutely
08:45:49 <Nothing\> though other symptoms like gynecomastia are almost non-existant
08:46:13 <Nothing\> that's the main reason i haven't bothered with replacement therapy, cuz there's been no real reason to
08:46:26 <Nothing\> aside from lack of sex drive, i haven't noticed anything else out of the ordinary
08:46:47 <Nothing\> but it could be more subtle, like mood swings
08:46:59 <Nothing\> i dunno i just feel paranoid in a way
08:47:33 <Nothing\> like i'll completely take things my mom says or does the wrong way and take them as attacks against me or purposely/passive aggressively ignoring me
08:47:51 <Nothing\> when in reality it's just something benign like miscommunication
08:49:53 <Nothing\> then i'll feel bad for giving my mom a hard time and feel even worse, which causes me to treat her even worse, which makes me feel worse, ad nauseum
08:50:37 <Nothing\> i told her if we get like that, just split up and we'll do our own thing, and we usually do. and then we'll make up and apologize later.
09:03:52 <Nothing\> lol i actually bought a copy of tetris 99 on the wii
09:04:09 <Nothing\> i figure what good's tetris without marathon mode
09:04:32 <Nothing\> sure the idea of of playing vs mode against 99 people is fun but it's just not the same
09:04:40 <Nothing\> was never big into multiplayer tetris
09:05:45 <Nothing\> plus the online service for the switch is a subscription that's like $8 a month or something
09:05:49 <Ampera> my hormones are probably a right dumpster fire, with or without HRT
09:06:29 <Nothing\> which is nice cuz that means they can release games like Mario 35 and not charge a dime for it. which is a VS style mario bros game where you play against 35 other people
09:06:35 <Nothing\> it's kinda fun, i guess.
09:06:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, well of course they are, you're a teenager
09:06:56 <Nothing\> technically
09:07:08 <Nothing\> although our brains develop right into our mid 20s
09:07:31 <Nothing\> and frankly i would say most people i've known didn't reach maturity until their mid to late 20's
09:07:33 <Nothing\> if at all
09:10:28 <coppice> "When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
09:14:57 <T3sl4> have you ever seen him in the same room with sam clemens? the twain shall never meet
09:17:42 <coppice> "That don't impress me much" - Shania Twain
09:18:01 <Nothing\> coppice, you ever read mysterious stranger?
09:18:13 <Nothing\> i'm not a huge fan of twain, but that's hands down one of my favourite books
09:18:49 <Nothing\> points out all of the problems with man and religion and such. It was written towards the end of his life so he has an extremely cynical view of the human race and it shows.
09:19:49 <coppice> Isn't that the one he never finished because of 44 problems with the plot?
09:19:54 <Nothing\> it's about a boy who comes out of nowhere in a small austrian town in... i wanna say the 19th century... but the boy claims to be an angel named satan and as such he does various tricks like bringing men he made of mud to life
09:20:08 <Nothing\> yeah
09:20:13 <Nothing\> but no
09:20:25 <Nothing\> it wasn't finished cuz he died before he could
09:20:33 <Nothing\> but i still like the ending none the less
09:20:37 <Nothing\> it's right up my alley
09:21:15 <Nothing\> it's not a very long read at all, either. and it's available on project gutenburg and that free audiobook site i can't remember the name of
09:21:37 <Nothing\> librivox, that's it
09:22:54 <coppice> What is the thing about satan being called 44 in that book?
09:23:43 <Nothing\> i don't remember anything about that
09:23:56 <Nothing\> it's been some years since i've read it, but i've read it several times.
09:24:25 <Nothing\> the name he went by was philip traum
09:24:31 <Nothing\> traum being the german word for dream
09:25:36 <coppice> The story is called "No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger"
09:26:15 <Nothing\> that could be because it was part of a compendium of stories
09:26:28 <Nothing\> at least that's how i understand it was distributed
09:27:37 <Nothing\> oh yeah
09:27:41 <Nothing\> i guess that was his name
09:28:00 <Nothing\> man it musta been too long since i've read that. either that or it was just never mentioned in the book.
09:28:19 <Nothing\> i've been meaning to read it again but i have a lot of books on my list
09:29:54 <Nothing\> right now i'm splitting my time between this book about mapping the ROM of the Commodore 128 called mapping the 128 (i think), and another called I am Error about the development and hardware of the NES, its games and various peripherals
09:31:10 <Nothing\> and my next book is called Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Fuel
09:31:20 <Nothing\> I've heard nothing but good things about it
09:32:25 <Nothing\> oh, "an informal history of liquid rocket propellants" not fuel
09:32:54 <Nothing\> http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf
09:33:00 <Nothing\> actually there's the book, apparently
09:33:13 <Nothing\> wouldn't think it'd just be freely available on science madness
09:34:36 <Nothing\> or maybe that's not the same book
09:38:31 <T3sl4> copyright 72, i wouldn't guess that 100% of things posted on SMDB are legal :P
09:40:04 <T3sl4> hm, reprinted recently, but not revised i think? the pdf should do just as well
09:45:03 <Nothing\> no, likely not
09:45:27 <Nothing\> but seeing as i couldn't find a torrent, this works just the same
09:45:54 <Nothing\> also
09:45:56 <Nothing\> http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/
09:46:08 <Nothing\> i couldn't find the html page, but this lets you see what they've got
09:47:23 <Nothing\> The Biology of Death
09:47:36 <Nothing\> that one sounds like a good read
09:48:17 <Nothing\> Poisons Their Effects and Detection
09:50:35 <Nothing\> i also found this really great interactive periodic toble
09:50:37 <Nothing\> https://ptable.com/?lang=en#Properties
09:50:54 <Nothing\> gives you damn near everything you could hope to know about an atom
09:51:10 <Nothing\> you can even select some atoms and it'll give you a list of compounds made from them
09:51:42 <Nothing\> it'd be a great tool for learning electron configurations
09:52:52 <Nothing\> cuz you can actually see as you go across the orbital block each space fills up with an up and a down, then see it go back to the previous block and so on. it just helps the whole thing make more intuitive sense.
10:02:06 <Nothing\> i've decided to make a compilation of cool interactive web applets that are based on STEM type subjects
10:02:45 <Nothing\> i dunno if i'll share it on the forum cuz i'm sure they've all been shared there but it would just be nice for my own personal records
10:03:13 <Nothing\> since chrome's boookmarking system sucks when it comes to retrieving said bookmarks
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10:03:48 <Nothing\> it'd be nicer to just have a list of sites with cool stuff on them
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10:21:56 <Nothing\> should make a similar list with games
10:22:17 <Nothing\> something i can consult when bored
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10:31:12 <T3sl4> chemistry stuff is rarely if ever on the forum, go for it
10:46:09 <arch> meth time?
10:52:33 <T3sl4> yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9Daiu5XoM
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11:12:56 <Nothing\> T3sl4, really?
11:13:09 <Nothing\> i always remember hearing nilered go on about it in his earlier videos
11:13:24 <Nothing\> but now that i think of it, i haven't heard him talk about it in some time
11:13:33 <T3sl4> wait what are we talking about now
11:14:03 <Nothing\> i've never been on it. Just this one thread where they were speculating about whether one particularly careless user had killed himself in an accident
11:14:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, the sciencemadness forum
11:15:04 <T3sl4> eh, that happened all the time
11:15:16 <T3sl4> in earlier days there was a lot of churn from the drug forums being shut down
11:15:35 <T3sl4> that and the kewls just looking to blow stuff up
11:15:42 <Nothing\> it was a drug forum?
11:15:50 <Nothing\> ah
11:16:38 <T3sl4> drugs were discouraged, that's why those users were problematic
11:16:57 <Nothing\> i don't remember any particular crackdown on drug forums, though i only frequented 2 or 3 of them
11:17:45 <Nothing\> i do remember though way back around 2000 there was this big police operation where they took down several vendors of borderline illegal drugs that were being sold for human consumptions
11:18:40 <Nothing\> various tryptamines which were new enough as to have not been scheduled yet, but were still illegal to sell for human consumption. So the sites were always careful about that. But apparently not careful enough.
11:18:53 <T3sl4> i don't remember if they were like, legally cracked down, or shut down for various natural or public-pressure reasons
11:18:54 <Nothing\> especially when overdoses start getting tied to stuff they sold
11:19:04 <Nothing\> it was called operation web tryp
11:19:41 <Nothing\> a couple of my friends who bought from one of the vendors were subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury against them
11:21:30 <Nothing\> they got a lot of shit in the community for it. being labeled as narcs. But I mean, if you buy some stuff off of some guy you don't even know who's doing stupid shit to get himself busted with a mile long paper trail it's not like their testimony was what put the guy behind bars
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11:22:22 <Nothing\> and frankly given going to federal prison for several years to vainly try and protect some idiot who sold drugs online that you don't even know isn't something i would want to do.
11:22:45 <Nothing\> especially considering the guy would go away either way
11:23:03 <Nothing\> you don't fuck around when it comes to federal court
11:24:12 <Nothing\> lol he sold the stuff as chemicals for maintaining a pond
11:24:57 <Nothing\> i also recall another site later on that sold some of the ingredients in spice and bath salts as fertilizer for bonsai plants
11:25:14 <Nothing\> synthetic cannabinoids
11:25:34 <rust_collector> mornings
11:25:38 <rust_collector> again
11:25:39 <Nothing\> heya rust_collector
11:25:44 <rust_collector> hoi hoi
11:25:50 <Nothing\> man it feels so much later than it really is
11:26:00 <Nothing\> with the sun setting so much earlier
11:26:00 <rust_collector> hmmm... it is just 1.25 here
11:26:14 <Nothing\> it's 7:25pm here
11:26:50 <rust_collector> I just got home. I got pulled over today, almost when I was home.
11:26:53 <Nothing\> but the sun sets at 4:45pm
11:27:01 <Nothing\> so it starts getting dark just after 4pm
11:27:13 <rust_collector> I probably should get the car tested, like the guy said
11:27:29 <Nothing\> damn, what for?
11:27:36 <Nothing\> bad lights or something?
11:29:02 <rust_collector> nah, I guess they were bored. or maybe their license plate camera was strobing red... I dunno?
11:29:25 <Nothing\> ah
11:29:59 <Nothing\> this guy i knew in west VA got pulled over. Had the same name as this guy who had all sorts of firearms violations and shit.
11:30:03 <rust_collector> he was nice. "your car is not legal to drive" uhm, yeees? "get it fixed, ok?"
11:30:16 <Nothing\> cops beat him and joked about killing him and leaving him there.
11:30:23 <Nothing\> put a gun to his head.
11:30:56 <Nothing\> i think it was a sherriff's office. So you know how those types of places are.
11:31:04 <Nothing\> it's like the damn mob.
11:31:22 <Nothing\> you just can't fight em.
11:31:31 <T3sl4> it is the mob
11:31:36 <Nothing\> they all cover eachother's asses
11:31:41 <rust_collector> hehy, no, that would be pretty dumb
11:31:41 <T3sl4> government monopoly on violence and all that
11:32:56 <rust_collector> as much as I dislike police up here, they are actually in general not bad.
11:32:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, when I was being interrogated when I was arrested I explained to the detective how I don't trust cops initially. In one of the few things I said to him.
11:33:28 <T3sl4> initially, or in general i hope
11:33:40 <Nothing\> and he had to ask me what I meant and get me to explain how cops abuse people and how well documented it is and the first hand accounts I've personally heard.
11:33:42 <T3sl4> rust_collector: yours are much better than ours are, as far as i know
11:33:46 <Nothing\> and he acted like it was news to him.
11:34:25 <T3sl4> Nothing\: your mistake was talking. SoP to get the perp talking, they'll be more likely to be compliant then
11:34:32 <T3sl4> or, suspect anyway
11:34:45 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah i said more than i should have
11:35:15 <Nothing\> when they gave me my phone call to a lawyer, which was just a court appointed sorta deal but not. Paid for by the province, though.
11:35:26 <Nothing\> all the guy said to me was "don't say anything"
11:35:50 <Nothing\> he said to blame him for it, but don't say a thing.
11:36:26 <Nothing\> i didn't say much about the case. Nothing that ultimately did me in. But I did say more than I should have.
11:36:45 <T3sl4> "my lawyer said don't say a thing" is a perfectly acceptable statement
11:36:55 <Nothing\> that's what i said to most of it
11:37:00 <Nothing\> or just "no comment"
11:37:06 <T3sl4> even more direct, "talk to my lawyer, i will not answer any questions"
11:37:06 <EEVBlog> 42, T3sl4!
11:37:12 <T3sl4> hello EEVBlog
11:37:19 <Nothing\> well, i didn't have a lawyer at the time
11:37:48 <T3sl4> right to representation and all that
11:38:05 <Nothing\> see when you're arrested, if you haven't got money for a lawyer you apply to Legal Aid, which is a government agency that will pay for so many hours with a lawyer of your choice
11:38:11 <T3sl4> er, give or take how that's different in the commonwealth, some details i expect but the broad strokes should be the same
11:38:34 <Nothing\> but the problem with that is the lawyer gives your case low, almost non-existant priority and nothing gets done until the last minute.
11:38:50 <T3sl4> yeah, ""justice""
11:38:50 <Nothing\> happened with criminal court, and it happened with family court.
11:39:06 <T3sl4> our court appointed system is chronically and i dare say criminally underfunded
11:39:14 <T3sl4> same cause, same effect
11:39:19 <Nothing\> the alternative with criminal court is a type of lawyer called duty counsel
11:40:28 <Nothing\> which is a lawyer that basically is a real lawyer, but he'll come in every so often and work getting paid by the government. And he just sees who ever's at the courthouse without a proper lawyer and wants representation
11:40:49 <Nothing\> and the real lawyers will rotate who works as legal aid
11:41:19 <Nothing\> but again, they give the cases low priority, especially when there are 30 other cases he's dealing with that day.
11:41:39 <Nothing\> but he doesn't follow up or anything
11:42:05 <Nothing\> he just glances over the material and does what needs to be done
11:43:37 <Nothing\> still better than what i've heard about US court appointed lawyers, though.
11:44:04 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/VnM1GjS.gifv
11:45:36 <rust_collector> hah. nice to see one that is not just curled up
11:45:36 <Nothing\> still, with my recent criminal case. I met with my lawyer for a total of 1 hour like a week before my trial and I had no clue what was going on.
11:45:58 <Nothing\> It was basically up to me to read the 400 pages of material they had on the case and work it all out
11:46:12 <Nothing\> he was just there to speak for me in court basically
11:46:34 <Nothing\> aww
11:46:50 <Nothing\> i worked at a petshop when I was 12 that had hedgehogs
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11:47:05 <Nothing\> they're really not THAT sharp as long as you're careful with them
11:47:47 <Nothing\> and they don't stick like porkypuke quills
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13:16:40 <Nothing\> ahaha
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13:17:37 <Nothing\> i was trying to think of a certain site to add to my list of interesting sites and i randomly forgot about it, but now i remember.
13:17:53 <Nothing\> it was hyperphysics and hypermath
13:18:26 <Nothing\> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/index.html
13:24:08 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDgVPKb9JAE&ab_channel=CraftComputing
13:24:22 <Nothing\> an $8 6 core sandy bridge CPU
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16:33:24 <hsn> https://youtu.be/wCrtk-pyP0I
16:33:31 * hsn grapes T3sl4
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18:58:42 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
19:01:34 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
19:05:27 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. Hulk
19:30:16 <K> hello
19:30:16 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
19:30:23 <K> yay, a win
19:33:30 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
19:33:45 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if there is a GPIB to ethernet adapter for cheap somewhere out there...
19:36:42 <K> niche product
19:39:18 <Halcyon> Surely there would be
19:39:25 <K> would be a nice project for some stm32 nucleo boards with ethernet
19:39:42 <Halcyon> I vaguely recall Dave might have had one in one of his videos??? MAYBE? Or I'm remembering it wrong.
19:41:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
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19:42:04 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
19:42:06 <Halcyon> How are you?
19:42:09 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
19:42:13 <Ampera> I am awheguieawg
19:42:15 <Halcyon> Exhuased :(
19:42:19 <Halcyon> *Exhausted
19:43:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, that's good
19:43:12 <Halcyon> I am downloading the newer series' of Will & Grace
19:43:13 <Halcyon> :P
19:43:16 <Ampera> who
19:43:25 <Halcyon> It's a show made before you were born
19:43:27 <Halcyon> About gays
19:43:29 <Halcyon> And such
19:43:31 <Ampera> oh god
19:43:37 <Halcyon> It's actually very good
19:43:43 <Halcyon> And I don't normally like gay shit
19:43:47 <Ampera> gays are bad now, I'd hate to see what they were like back when everyone hated them
19:43:55 <Ampera> "And I don't normally like gay shit"
19:43:57 <Ampera> that's a new one on me
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19:44:14 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsK20IB7rJI
19:46:35 <Ampera> I refuse to click that link
19:46:37 <Halcyon> I love Megan Mullally, such a great actress
19:46:42 <Ampera> I'm already fucked up enough I don't need to be worse
19:46:48 <Halcyon> She was great in Parks & Recreation too
19:46:58 <Ampera> in wha
19:47:07 <Halcyon> A series about an American council office
19:47:11 <Ampera> a what
19:47:25 <Halcyon> Ummm.... county... something?
19:47:29 <Halcyon> Local government
19:47:45 <Ampera> I still don't follow, I'll have to wikipedia
19:48:05 <Ampera> a parks department
19:48:09 <Halcyon> Yessum
19:48:21 <Ampera> no clue what makes that a council office
19:48:32 <Halcyon> Well I'm assuming Parks is a department of the council
19:48:39 <Ampera> we don't have councils
19:48:51 <Ampera> not usually by name anyways
19:48:59 <Halcyon> And they feature other areas in the series, like the "Sanitation de-fart-ment"
19:49:26 <Halcyon> Whatever your equivilent to a local council is
19:49:31 <Ampera> we don't have one
19:49:34 <Halcyon> I don't know what you call them
19:49:36 <Halcyon> You'd have to
19:49:41 <Ampera> not that I'm aware of
19:49:46 <Ampera> we have a Mayor.
19:50:01 <Halcyon> Yes
19:50:06 <Halcyon> The place where they work
19:50:26 <Halcyon> A council is a municipality or local government
19:50:54 <Halcyon> Or "counties" whatever the hell you want to call them,
19:50:59 <Ampera> a council is a group of people
19:51:08 <Halcyon> Funny that :P
19:51:13 <Ampera> and counties are not local government, they're one step up
19:51:30 <Ampera> yeah but the Mayor in our city usually selects his government
19:51:38 <Ampera> we don't tend to do that outside of things like school elections
19:51:44 <Halcyon> Yeh we don't have that much division, we have local government (councils), state government and federal.
19:52:23 <Ampera> the county government does have a legislature that elects a set of managers, but that it's never been called a council
19:52:28 <Halcyon> Councils look after local services like parks, waste management, local roads, community project and infrastructure,
19:52:32 <Ampera> and I bet you not a single person in the county knows who the hell they are
19:52:32 <Halcyon> All that kind of stuff
19:52:48 <Ampera> ours don't do that
19:52:55 <Ampera> they just say they did and pretend it got done
19:53:00 <Halcyon> :P
19:53:21 <Ampera> but there is no council unless I'm particularly wrong, it's just one guy we elect who selects a government, sort of like a local president
19:53:24 <Ampera> but with no congress
19:53:49 <Ampera> larger cities probably would have senates or representatives (or both), but most places don't
19:53:55 <Halcyon> Yeh well we vote for the mayor, the other employees are employed by him
19:53:57 <Halcyon> (or her)
19:54:09 <Ampera> well that's not much of a council, it's not an elected assembly
19:54:11 <Halcyon> Which is why we have local elections
19:54:13 <Ampera> nor is it really an assembly
19:54:21 <Ampera> it's just one guy with a cabinet
19:54:33 <Halcyon> Well it's a bunch of people who look after the needs of that particular council area
19:54:49 <Halcyon> In my case "Blue Mountains City Council"
19:55:17 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenectady,_New_York#/media/File:SchenectadyCityHallRear.jpg
19:55:20 <Ampera> we have a nice city hall actually
19:55:30 <Halcyon> Yeh it's pretty
19:55:36 <Halcyon> I'm sure we have one, not sure what it looks like.
19:55:49 <Ampera> ah, Albany has an elected council
19:55:50 <Halcyon> Council offices here are usually just corporate office buildings.
19:57:01 <Ampera> oh apparently we do have a city council here too
19:57:04 <Ampera> so it's not just the mayor
19:57:11 <Ampera> I guess we just happen to be large enough
19:57:49 <Halcyon> Here the state is divided up into "Local Government Areas", each of which has a council. (I'm guessing our LGAs are your counties?)
19:58:00 <Ampera> man, the only job more depressing than being a councilman in Schenectady is being one in Albany :P
19:58:06 <Halcyon> Hah
19:58:16 <Ampera> do your LGAs have cities and towns within?
19:58:27 <Ampera> and all laws created by the LGAs automatically apply to the towns and cities?
19:58:39 <Ampera> also our counties and cities collect taxes
19:59:04 <Halcyon> Not necessarily a city
19:59:14 <Ampera> that's why I said towns
19:59:19 <Halcyon> Yep
19:59:29 <Ampera> towns and cities being on the same level (we also have villages)
19:59:46 <Halcyon> BRB, got to see what old lady next door wants
20:00:12 <Ampera> Best I know, cities and counties are completely free to select what sort of government they want, so long as there is a popular election.
20:00:24 <Ampera> there is probably some law establishing all that I'm unaware of
20:03:31 <Halcyon> Aww that was nice of here. She won a big meat tray and gave me a bunch
20:03:36 <hsn> now this is a haha : https://youtu.be/WnDjIDhxnMs?t=553
20:03:36 <Halcyon> *her
20:03:40 <Halcyon> Fuck I'm tired
20:04:55 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to go do stuff then go to bed
20:04:58 <Halcyon> Talk later guys
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20:05:36 <hsn> cya Halcyon
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20:48:23 <rust_collector> good night
20:48:29 <rust_collector> blah blah
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20:59:18 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
20:59:38 <rust_collector> hey-o
21:00:01 Nick: hsn is now known as im_rusty_maybe_i_get_hi
21:01:02 <rust_collector> u wanna get hi?
21:02:05 <Ysjoelfir> hi hsn :)
21:04:58 <rust_collector> ok, I have to do stuff, I guess. There are too many police stopping me these days. well, just one of them did, but there are too many of them
21:08:13 <rust_collector> how re things in sand land and germ land?
21:16:41 Nick: im_rusty_maybe_i_get_hi is now known as hsn
21:16:54 <hsn> Hi's to both u guys
21:17:00 <Ysjoelfir> what bad things did you do that they stopped you?
21:17:05 <hsn> Germ land xD
21:17:08 <Ysjoelfir> things are pretty ok in germanistan
21:18:17 <hsn> Things are dusty https://photos.app.goo.gl/SFU8KTuxf2Pu4X8Z9
21:19:37 <rust_collector> well, I still need to do my re-test
21:23:11 <rust_collector> ok, I am going out to do my last tweaks, and go see if test guy has time to put a stamp on my paper
21:25:10 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^ have enjoys
21:25:27 <Ysjoelfir> ooof, hsn, thats a lot of sand
21:27:35 <hsn> Ja
21:30:58 <hsn> This is nice https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/2312853958
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21:31:37 <Guest|74099> hi
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21:31:50 <K> yes.
21:32:01 <K> hsn, do you know 3d printing?
21:32:35 <hsn> No i like it bcz it requires material science and all sort of stuff
21:33:25 <hsn> K i know the term .. i tried few prints with pla .. no abs success and didnt like to own it so gave it to somone else
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21:38:04 <hsn> Is it only me who get angry that the name "hacker" now is annoying .. bcz its taken by the sales ppl to sell certificates and training .. ? I love the old 1990-2005's hacker term ..
21:38:47 <hsn> Nowadays u Got lots of ppl who post some certified ethical hacker thing while he dont know a thing !!
21:39:22 <K> but he is ethical!
21:39:25 <K> and certified!
21:39:56 <K> that is 2 out of 3, must be good for at least something
21:50:46 <hsn> K, yeah he is probably .. but the word hacker .. changed
21:51:45 <hsn> K, this defined hackers pretty well doesnt it http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
21:53:07 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXBnbHA59dY
21:53:10 <K> ups wrong channel
21:54:09 <hsn> is it ment for the porn channel ?
21:54:17 <K> no
21:54:26 <hsn> then i can open it
21:54:50 <K> yes
21:54:59 <K> it is music
21:55:12 <K> but i dunno, maybe your king does not approve of dnb
21:55:59 <hsn> dnb = ?
21:56:07 <hsn> do not boob ?
21:56:34 <K> https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_and_bass
21:56:46 <hsn> ah
21:56:51 <K> pardon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_and_bass
21:56:51 <hsn> i was waiting for the talk
21:56:56 <hsn> its only bom bom isnt it
21:57:17 <K> mostly yes, but it is nice bom bom, in my opinion
21:58:10 <hsn> enjoy then
22:03:43 * Ysjoelfir enjoys K 's music
22:06:35 <hsn> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/beginner-physic-q-electrostatic-plastic-and-paper-pieces-who-loses-electrons/
22:07:24 <K> beginner psychics
22:08:04 <hsn> i wish i can control building esd and zapping ppl
22:08:22 <hsn> its my wish for super hero power
22:10:08 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
22:10:26 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to be able to feel electric fields. (which is why I still want a magnet implant!)
22:11:11 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, so then i can hurt u alot
22:11:17 <K> are'nt electric fields already possible? hairs on your hand standing up?
22:11:43 <K> not quantifiable, but still
22:12:01 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but only for strong ones. with a magnet implant in your fingertip you can eg. feel the rotation of a HDD in a notebook, or the currents in a power brick
22:12:24 <hsn> or me coming behind u to zap u ?
22:12:42 <Ysjoelfir> well, if you have an alternating charge, probably. :P
22:12:47 <Ysjoelfir> but only if you are very close
22:13:04 <hsn> wait ... why alternating charge
22:13:41 <hsn> u wanted to feel electric field not changing electric field.. no ?
22:15:28 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but the magnet only reacts to magnet ic fields. a static e-field is not very magnetic, is it? (serious question, I'm not great in field theory)
22:21:27 <rust_collector> I erase hard drives with my finger. no fancy dd and complicated stuff like that
22:22:42 * Ampera fingers rust_collector
22:22:48 <Ampera> are you hard yet?
22:24:33 <rust_collector> only because of age and wear, I think
22:26:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, yes .. a static charge wont emit magnatic field .. and propogate .. but still i thought u r static e-field sensor :D not a magnatic one .. not a B-field ..
22:28:07 <Ysjoelfir> no, a magnet would be a... magnetic sensor ;P
22:30:15 <hsn> wtf
22:30:26 <Ysjoelfir> shocking, I know
22:30:44 <hsn> no wait
22:30:46 <hsn> i will share
22:31:17 <hsn> who the fck is accessbankplc
22:31:40 <Ysjoelfir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Bank_plc
22:31:56 <Ysjoelfir> seems like a regular bank in nigeria thats used by scammers :D
22:32:09 <hsn> they are annoying me
22:32:22 <rust_collector> I get confused because you have nigeria and niger
22:32:49 <Ysjoelfir> I can understand that confusion
22:33:06 <Ysjoelfir> especally if you take into account that there is also a river called niger
22:35:06 <rust_collector> ok, so test guy has time tomorrow. that is something
22:35:31 <Ysjoelfir> wish you much of lucks
22:36:00 <rust_collector> I sort of want to just sell this turd as soon as possible, lol
22:37:53 <rust_collector> if it goes thru tomorrow, I should take it to the scrapyard, and have it crushed, just to make sure
22:38:35 <Ysjoelfir> xD
22:38:38 <Ysjoelfir> which one was it again?
22:38:47 <rust_collector> corolla-rolla
22:39:20 <Ysjoelfir> meh
22:39:31 <Ysjoelfir> Nichts ist unmöglich! TOYOOOOTAAAA!
22:40:45 <hsn> nichts ist unmoglich VOLVO
22:43:12 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, just to clear my confusion .. ur super power unit is V.m or Tesla ?
22:43:37 <rust_collector> whaat?
22:43:51 <hsn> volt/meter .. or tesla
22:44:04 <rust_collector> yes, what are you talking about?
22:44:09 <hsn> lol
22:44:20 <hsn> I would love to be able to feel electric fields. (which is why I still want a magnet implant!)
22:44:39 <hsn> the "feel" u got
22:44:52 <hsn> what is the unit of it
22:45:10 <rust_collector> hmmm, magnetic force?
22:45:28 <rust_collector> is it weber?
22:45:41 <hsn> i thought its v/m
22:46:07 <rust_collector> weber is magnetic flux, it says... hmm
22:46:21 <hsn> yes
22:46:37 <hsn> tesla is weber area
22:46:39 <hsn> or somthing
22:47:02 <hsn> weber / area
22:47:22 <rust_collector> The SI unit for magnetic field is the Tesla, which can be seen from the magnetic part of the Lorentz force law Fmagnetic = qvB to be composed of (Newton x second)/(Coulomb x meter). A smaller magnetic field unit is the Gauss (1 Tesla = 10,000 Gauss).
22:47:35 <rust_collector> oh, text!
22:48:09 <hsn> gauss what ..
22:48:47 <rust_collector> In electromagnetics, the term "magnetic field" is used for two distinct but closely related vector fields denoted by the symbols B and H. In the International System of Units, H, magnetic field strength, is measured in the SI base units of ampere per meter (A/m).[4] B, magnetic flux density, is measured in tesla (in SI base units: kilogram per second2 per ampere),[5] which is equivalent to newton per meter per ampere. H and B diff
22:48:48 <rust_collector> in how they account for magnetization. In a vacuum, the two fields are related through the vacuum permeability, {\displaystyle \mathbf {B} /\mu _{0}=\mathbf {H} }; but in a magnetized material, the terms differ by the material's magnetization at each point.
22:49:05 <rust_collector> but that is electromagnetic, not just magnetic... i dunno?
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22:50:34 <hsn> in vacuum .. there is not matter
22:50:39 <hsn> so timespace is fcked up
23:04:45 Nick: steve30000000 is now known as steve30
23:05:57 <hsn> wooooooh steve30 slow down
23:06:04 <hsn> thats lots of zeros
23:06:19 <steve30> :)
23:07:00 <rust_collector> you make it look like something lemon would do
23:08:26 <hsn> i forgot how to squeeze
23:08:33 <hsn> :>
23:09:18 <hsn> rust_collector, almost close .. he must be steve30.0000000000000 :>
23:09:54 <rust_collector> right
23:12:28 <hsn> rust_collector, related to BH .. H is just B but in some material other than vacuum i think .. its related to the material "permeability / permetivity?" idk which one
23:12:55 <hsn> i think ^
23:13:14 <hsn> im .. dumb to realize this stuff anyway
23:13:45 <rust_collector> well, I do not really care, lol
23:14:11 <hsn> one day u will ..
23:14:21 <hsn> when magnets starts pull u
23:16:15 <rust_collector> i would probably still not care what usit you measure that in
23:23:31 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, its the magnetic fieldstrength H Amps per meter. or Oersted, which I prefer, but its not a SI standard. but you could also use the magnetic induction B, which is in Tesla.
23:23:39 <Ysjoelfir> *H in Amps per meter
23:28:38 <hsn> mr owner gave ice cream
23:29:02 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/EMZPC4.jpg
23:29:21 <rust_collector> heh, so did you get fired yet?
23:29:58 <Ysjoelfir> nice, ice!
23:34:30 <rust_collector> icecream icecream small child
23:35:03 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, here is a winter project for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAe1kl-JIiI
23:35:39 <Ysjoelfir> lol. :P
23:35:50 <Ysjoelfir> if I would have a garage,...
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23:36:30 <hsn> this is same ice that u get in winter ?
23:37:54 <rust_collector> sure. ice is ice
23:38:23 <hsn> without the cream though
23:38:47 <rust_collector> you only get this in winter, or if you have a fridge large enough to cool down your cow
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23:43:28 <hsn> so ur saying cows are hot
23:44:21 <rust_collector> they do catch on fire if you leave them out in the sun, if it is a hot day
23:44:38 <rust_collector> they have very bad cooling
23:45:08 <Ysjoelfir> they also sink if you put them into water, because they have a natural leak
23:45:21 <rust_collector> you are thinking of sheep, I think?
23:46:13 <Ysjoelfir> no, they just suck up every water like a sponge and sink because of that
23:46:33 <rust_collector> sounds like sheep to me
23:47:01 <Ysjoelfir> yes, thats what I was talking about. cows sink because water gets into their anus so they overflow and sink.
23:47:34 <coppice> rust_collector: I think its cows I am hearing today
23:47:52 <hsn> https://fb.watch/1S8L2IUlc4/
23:48:04 <rust_collector> well, cows can swim a bit. I am not sure how far...
23:48:44 <hsn> rust_collector, no im thinking of camels
23:48:57 <hsn> sheeps are cheaps
23:49:43 <coppice> rust_collector: we've had a lot of rain, but I don't think the cows are going to swim in the field next door
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