// #d&d — 2013-10-30
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00:05:32 <Damalon01> mornin'
00:20:48 <CWheezy> any late night pick up games?
00:22:58 <Steven> sure... whatcha running?
00:41:28 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
00:47:02 <Ulzef> hi all
00:51:30 <Steven> got distracted this afternoon
00:51:42 <Steven> gotta finish my melee bard.
00:58:55 <Steven> so what u.
00:59:01 <Steven> up
01:05:35 <Steven> guess ill go back to playing hearthstone then
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01:42:55 * Steven bored as shit.
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02:01:24 <Damalon01> hi Ulzef
02:11:07 <Avatar> forget hearthstone
02:11:35 <Steven> well nobody was around earlier
02:11:38 <Steven> had nothing to do.
02:11:46 <Steven> so i downloaded the beta invite i got.
02:14:18 <Avatar> why not play a better game
02:14:49 <Steven> dont have to pay for this?
02:15:04 <CWheezy> hearthstone is fine
02:15:44 <Steven> some parts of it are actually fun.
02:17:17 <Steven> like stompin the shit out of people in the arena.
02:17:31 <Steven> the downside to that is of course that eventually you're the one who gets the shit stomped out of them
02:18:02 <Steven> or theres the situation that you finally stabalize vs a paladin and have a good board state
02:18:27 <Steven> and he goes equalize(set all minions Toughness to 1)
02:18:49 <Steven> followed by whatever the fuck its called that does 1 damage to all minions.
02:19:07 <Steven> costs like 4 mana to do... just fucking wrecks
02:19:32 <Steven> have i mentioned how i hate paladins?
02:20:17 <Steven> so wheezy whatcha gonna GM?
02:22:41 <Avatar> every afternoon I come home and hear about you being bored as shit steven
02:22:50 <Avatar> you need to find a good game
02:22:53 <Steven> thats because im bored as shit!
02:27:19 <Steven> guess i'll go play video games
02:45:07 <Brunius|M> Mekkis: http://cardboard-crack.tumblr.com/post/59552785291
03:21:24 <Mekkis> Great News! Ashley will be running Seige of the Diamond City with one hour prep!
03:22:22 <Ulzef> purdy quite tonight
03:22:33 <Avatar> yeeeup
03:23:41 <Steven> that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
03:45:58 <Avatar> is that a joke
03:46:07 <Proquar> Doh
03:46:16 <Proquar> no can do 8 nov - i'm going to Cairns that weekend
03:46:28 <Avatar> it's a tier 5-9 anyway
03:46:33 <Avatar> next time gadget
03:46:43 <Steven> yo
03:49:34 <Ulzef> hello mr uber munchkin, still cannot work out how you get your ac that high
03:51:02 <Avatar> did you finish that list mekkis
03:51:10 <Steven> dont worry bout it, i'll gladly show you the build if you ever run a game for the character.
03:51:43 <Mekkis> I haven't added anything else to it, no
03:51:49 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's sarcasm
03:51:50 <Ulzef> yeah wish i could, thats not how my brain works though
03:51:52 <Avatar> is there more
03:51:58 <Avatar> yeah I thought so
03:52:17 <Mekkis> not really. There's a bit of extra stuff, but it's more incidental
03:52:27 <Avatar> link it over
03:52:34 <Mekkis> as in, it's "honest mistake", not "screw the players"
03:52:43 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
03:53:33 <Steven> well keep workin on it. I applied credit tonight, so now im gonna buy another item and up it again.
03:53:59 <Ulzef> is it done with no spell effects?
03:54:32 <Steven> i have faith in your ability to correctly identify the components of my AC.
03:56:23 <Mekkis> http://pastebin.com/kg18Spwp
03:59:39 <Avatar> what's your AC
04:00:13 <Steven> before start of combat?
04:00:22 <Avatar> I don't know, on average
04:00:33 <Avatar> yeah before start of combat
04:00:51 <Steven> 27
04:01:09 <Ulzef> how many spells in effect before combat?
04:01:14 <Steven> Not wearing Armor.
04:02:31 <Ulzef> and it is wielding a scyth correct?
04:02:41 <Steven> yes.
04:02:56 <Steven> before combat not using combat expertise or shield of swings.
04:03:29 <Ulzef> and no long term spells such as mage armor?
04:03:38 <Steven> its a secret!
04:03:40 <Proquar> ok penny
04:03:47 <Avatar> why is it a secret
04:03:57 <Steven> because i want to toy with his mind.
04:04:00 <Avatar> is it illegal
04:04:08 <Steven> completely legal build.
04:04:13 <Ulzef> i need my paramaters so i can see if i can work it out
04:04:14 <Avatar> you can tell us if it is
04:05:24 <Ulzef> :( i should be preping waking rune for paizocon oz but everytime i think of pathfinder i end up trying to work out this build
04:05:57 <Steven> focus focus.
04:08:24 <Ulzef> as a side not while on rage prophet do the levels in rage prophet count towards the level req for revelations if you pick them up with feats
04:09:48 <Brunius> guys
04:09:51 <Brunius> just a quick heads up
04:09:56 <Brunius> being sick sucks
04:09:57 <Brunius> a lot
04:10:05 <Steven> Savage Seer A rage prophet’s class level stacks with barbarian levels for determining the effect of his rage powers, oracle revelations, and his oracle’s curse. This does not grant additional abilities.
04:10:19 <Steven> the effect yes, to qualify no.
04:10:59 <Steven> i know the feelin mang
04:11:10 <CWheezy> I don't think it is a grey area for krune btw
04:11:16 <CWheezy> hmmm
04:11:23 <CWheezy> is what I am about to say a spoiler?
04:11:25 <Ulzef> so if it requires level 7 to take and you are 4 oracle 3 rage prophet and you uses the extra revaltion feat you can't get it?
04:11:35 <Steven> probably
04:11:38 <CWheezy> that krune is a wizard
04:12:14 <Brunius> smooth
04:12:20 <Steven> i left so i didnt see the spoiler
04:12:43 <CWheezy> you can read the scenario description and get the same spoiler I think
04:15:08 <Ulzef> was looking at the lunar oracles form of the beast
04:15:29 <Ulzef> figured it would go nice in a rage prophet build
04:15:43 <Steven> there are rings you can get that will allow you to select oracle powers
04:16:16 <Ulzef> really which book?
04:17:02 <Steven> !item ring of revelation
04:17:03 <diebot> Steven, RING OF EVASION [moderate transmutation] CL:7 ring 25000gp, 0lb
04:17:03 <diebot> This ring continually grants the wearer the ability to avoid damage as if she had evasion. Whenever she makes a Reflex saving throw to determine whether she takes half damage, a successful save results in no damage. Source: Ultimate Equipment
04:18:54 <Avatar> where is a good place to download music
04:19:09 <Steven> the internet.
04:19:17 <Avatar> can you be more specific
04:19:19 * Steven puts on his troll mask
04:20:36 <Avatar> I want to pay for it, not pirate it
04:21:01 <Avatar> I'd buy them on google play but you can't get those off your device
04:23:28 <Steven> alright peace out im gonna go to sleep, been up entirely too long
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04:44:53 <Damalon01> i think im gonna go to, doesnt seem to be much going on
04:50:25 <Avatar> er, woops
04:50:35 <Avatar> I forgot to ask this morning if those jokers wanted a friday night game or saturday morning game
04:50:56 <Avatar> although I don't think any of them were on
06:07:10 <Mekkis> FYI Ulzef: the ring of revelation doesn't work that way
06:07:36 <Ulzef> yeah worked that out all ready
06:12:31 <Steven> its not on the site
06:12:48 <Damalon01> hehehe let the munchkin keep his secret powers
06:12:54 <Damalon01> :P
06:13:20 <Ulzef_phone> :( was gonna see if i could work it iut by reverse engineering the character
06:13:39 <Ulzef> :( trying not to think about oracles at the moment
06:14:00 <Ulzef> btw mekkis have you got a copy of diamond city yet?
06:14:52 <Ulzef_phone> rather than the build would you be able to email me the complete character
06:26:11 <Mekkis> yeah. But not on Paizo
06:26:33 <Mekkis> deadtree
06:27:33 <Mekkis> Proquar, why Cairns
06:27:41 <Mekkis> not Brisbane for Paizocon'
06:27:54 <Proquar> Bridge directors' seminar is on that weekend
06:28:11 <Proquar> i'm still pondering 'why cairns' however ;p
06:58:48 <Ulzef> deadtree?
07:02:51 <Avatar> ryan k reckons paladins and rangers can't use CLW wands until you actually start getting spell slots
07:04:26 <Steven> whos ryan K?
07:04:29 <Avatar> because you don't have the class feature to do so
07:04:38 <Avatar> ex-VL in melbourne
07:04:47 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qt8
07:05:16 <Avatar> Now this doesn't specifically point out spells and wand use, but to use a wand without a UMD check it needs to be on your spell list. Since casting spells is a class feature you are not able to use wands without UMD until you have are able to cast spells.
07:05:59 <Avatar> it actually sounds right
07:06:15 <Avatar> the wording on ranger for "Spells" specifically says "Beginning at 4th level..."
07:06:31 <Mekkis> printed media
07:08:09 <Steven> page 458
07:08:12 <Steven> Spell trigger item
07:08:15 <Steven> Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.
07:15:25 <Damalon01> i would agree with Ryan on this one. If you dont have access to the spell it not on your list, which means you need UMD.
07:15:37 <Avatar> that specifically calls out 3rd level paladin
07:15:46 <Mekkis> Damalon01, the rules specifically don't agree with you
07:16:23 <Steven> it gives an example not the only case for an exception.
07:18:51 <Steven> Rangers are a class that can cast CLW. They can use Spell trigger Items from the Ranger Spell List.
07:19:22 <Damalon01> i know the rules dont really agree with me
07:19:27 <Ulzef_phone> kapow on?
07:19:52 <Avatar> yeah I agree with you
07:20:11 <Damalon01> hence why i dont GM PFS
07:20:20 <Damalon01> i only play it
07:21:01 <Ulzef_phone> kapow sign up for waking i only have 3 players atm
07:21:50 <Mekkis> Damalon01, what's your reasoning on why you don't agree with it?
07:24:03 <Avatar> you only need to know basic rules to GM, not all the rules
07:24:04 <Ulzef_phone> brb see you all later
07:24:09 <Avatar> gg
07:24:20 <Ulzef_phone> on my way home
07:24:40 <Ulzef_phone> and darn you mekkis for dibzing the high tier
07:25:41 <Steven> yeah i've been playing for a few years and gm'd plenty but i still learn new rules.
07:26:35 <Damalon01> Mekkis, i think that until you can actually cast the spell it should count as being accessible. therefore, if you dont have access, you must use UMD or simply accept you cant cast spells. otherwise you can min max thing by taking a 10 in the controlling stat, say wisdom if your a ranger and still use wands even tho technically you cant cast spells.
07:26:53 <Damalon01> shouldnt count sorry
07:28:34 <Mekkis> I suppose my question is: Why do you think that preventing low-level rangers and paladins from using wands of cure light wounds would make the game Better?
07:28:57 <Damalon01> oh it may not make the game better as such
07:28:59 <Mekkis> because that's really what that stipulation covers 95% of the time
07:29:25 <Damalon01> it would cut down on the overuse and reliance on expendable items tho
07:29:40 <Mekkis> the direct effect it would have is that some groups would find out-of-combat healing much harder
07:30:15 <Damalon01> look at it this way perhaps: if its more challenging games you want why not effect it by cutting away some of the ease of access to healing and other consumable items?
07:30:16 <Mekkis> nothing wrong with reliance on expendable items. I rely a lot on fuel in my car.
07:30:47 <Damalon01> i dont rely on a car. i use public transport, my feet, call in favours
07:30:51 <Mekkis> it wouldn't make games more "challenging"
07:30:51 <Damalon01> so should my character
07:31:03 <Damalon01> relying on anything is a weaknes
07:31:04 <Mekkis> It would just make more groups unworkable
07:31:06 <Steven> every party around relies on a CLW/Infernal Healing to get them back up after a fight.
07:31:24 <Damalon01> personally i say more players should play healers
07:31:27 <Damalon01> just as good
07:31:37 <Damalon01> i have a healer
07:32:14 <Mekkis> I disagree entirely. "Healer" isn't an effective in-combat role
07:33:00 <Steven> and all those healers carry a CLW
07:33:11 <Damalon01> is being effective in-combat absolutely nesecary
07:33:18 <Damalon01> ?
07:33:19 <Mekkis> yes
07:33:24 <Damalon01> no i dont think'
07:33:25 <Damalon01> so
07:33:35 <Mekkis> last I checked, Pathfinder's rules largely cover combat
07:33:45 <Damalon01> i can see you and i are gonna have problems Mekkis
07:33:58 <Damalon01> its a role playing game
07:34:03 <Damalon01> not a roll playing game
07:34:06 <Mekkis> That we can agree on
07:34:09 <Mekkis> But
07:34:28 <Mekkis> If you don't have a Role to play when shit hits the fan, what are you doing in the party at all?
07:34:46 <Damalon01> lol my cleric casts buffing spells, heals people
07:34:51 <Damalon01> makes them more powerful
07:35:02 <Damalon01> ive never had any complaints
07:35:07 <Mekkis> I have a cleric like that. I don't think of him as a healer
07:35:18 <Damalon01> if you heal, youre a healer
07:35:20 <Mekkis> Sure, he can heal, but that's not his Role
07:35:58 <Damalon01> clerics that spontaneously convert to heal are obviously healers
07:36:15 <Steven> oh god this argument/discussion again?
07:36:29 <Damalon01> lol sorry steven ill stop there
07:36:31 <Mekkis> sure, but it's not his role
07:36:49 <Damalon01> sorry Mekkis, im stopping there
07:37:10 <Mekkis> (for instance, he doesn't have Antisocial channelling)
07:39:01 <Mekkis> One thing that probably frustrates me more than it should is players using wands on themselves incombat
07:49:16 <Steven> 21k and my character will only need to cast one spell precombat
07:55:44 <Steven> which will be shield.
07:57:36 <Mekkis> !spell unshakable chill
07:57:39 <diebot> Mekkis, UNSHAKABLE CHILL necromancy ([cold]) druid 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M Duration: 10 minutes/level; see text Save: Fortitude negates (see text) SR:yesSource: Ultimate Magic
07:57:39 <diebot> The target is filled with an unshakable chill for the duration of the spell, and suffers from the effects of severe cold (Core Rulebook 442). Severe cold means if the initial saving throw fails, the target takes 1d6 points of nonlethal cold damage and must save every 10 minutes (using the DC of severe cold instead of this spell's DC) or take
07:57:39 <diebot> additional damage.
08:24:49 <Damalon01> well im gonna head off. seeya.
11:08:12 <Steven> not many in here today
14:16:56 <Steven> welcome back!
14:23:15 <Steven> pretty boring morning.
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17:20:38 <CWheezy> anyone want to play a game RIGHT NOW
17:20:46 <Mekkis> Great News! Ashley will be running Seige of the Diamond City with one hour prep!
17:20:55 <CWheezy> decline of glory tier 6-7
17:22:49 <Steven> suppose i could play for no credit.
17:23:04 <Steven> that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
17:23:30 <CWheezy> oh nvm someone showed up
17:23:50 <Steven> kk imma go back to crafting my Melee bard then.
17:45:23 <Avatar> is that a joke
17:50:26 <Avatar> did you finish that list mekkis
17:51:07 <Mekkis> I haven't added anything else to it, no
17:51:12 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's sarcasm
17:51:16 <Avatar> is there more
17:51:23 <Avatar> yeah I thought so
17:51:41 <Mekkis> not really. There's a bit of extra stuff, but it's more incidental
17:51:51 <Avatar> link it over
17:51:58 <Mekkis> as in, it's "honest mistake", not "screw the players"
17:52:07 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
17:55:47 <Mekkis> http://pastebin.com/kg18Spwp
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18:09:12 <Brunius> guys
18:09:15 <Brunius> just a quick heads up
18:09:20 <Brunius> being sick sucks
18:09:21 <Brunius> a lot
18:10:23 <Steven> i know the feelin mang
18:10:34 <CWheezy> I don't think it is a grey area for krune btw
18:10:40 <CWheezy> hmmm
18:10:47 <CWheezy> is what I am about to say a spoiler?
18:10:59 <Steven> probably
18:11:02 <CWheezy> that krune is a wizard
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18:11:39 <Brunius> smooth
18:11:45 <Steven> i left so i didnt see the spoiler
18:12:07 <CWheezy> you can read the scenario description and get the same spoiler I think
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20:12:34 <Steven> interesting... blizzard sent me a beta test for hearthstone.
20:42:56 <Steven> well i think its interesting since i never signed up for it.
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22:25:00 <Darkkapow> I don't like this whapow guy
22:25:07 <Darkkapow> I feel like he is taking my individuality
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23:32:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, have you sent the email?
23:57:32 <Steven> sup
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