// #d&d — 2013-10-03
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01:02:59 <Yuugi> Basic Pathfinder is like the Beginner Box
01:03:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's practically the same thing
01:03:10 <Yuugi> It's not exactly the same.
01:03:15 <Yuugi> But it's the same idea.
01:03:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, pathfinder turned into basic would be removing 95+% of the game
01:03:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> to make it basic
01:03:50 <Brunius> CMB/CMD
01:04:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I understand people who like the OSR and play games based off of it
01:04:03 <Brunius> difficult terrain
01:04:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which there are a good number of these days
01:06:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> brunius, can I show you my intented divine warrior and you see how it fairs up to obama?
01:06:38 <Brunius|M> Sure?
01:06:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, why always switching from mobile and desktop?
01:07:13 <Brunius|M> This game abhors alt tabbing
01:07:20 <Yuugi> my interest in old D&D came before the OSR
01:07:24 <Yuugi> I'm a librarian
01:07:29 <Yuugi> Or at least studying library science
01:07:39 <Yuugi> And I believe in preserving and reviewing old documents
01:07:44 <Yuugi> So :P
01:08:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm not against nostalgia, personal or historically
01:08:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I'd prefer to read a book that was written post 2000 about WW2 than a book written pre 1990 to learn about it
01:08:51 <Yuugi> ha
01:08:56 <Yuugi> That's because you have no sense of history
01:09:10 <Yuugi> I went to England this summer and saw THREE COPIES OF THE MAGNA CARTA
01:09:13 <Yuugi> AND THE GUTENBERG BIBLE
01:09:15 <Yuugi> <3
01:09:29 <Yuugi> I had an mindgasm in the British Library
01:09:59 <Yuugi> it's fine if you personally aren't interested in history, but it still needs to be preserved
01:10:04 <Yuugi> For those who are.
01:10:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> look, if basic had differences to any of the dnd versions after it besides the fact it was just a dumbed down/rules-less version
01:10:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then I'd be a lot more enclined to play it
01:10:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> inclined*
01:10:25 <Yuugi> lol
01:10:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and no, THACO does not count as a difference
01:10:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> THAC0*
01:10:45 <Yuugi> Class-as-Race, THACO, and
01:10:47 <Yuugi> oh
01:10:49 <Yuugi> pfft
01:11:22 <Yuugi> It has morale and retainer rules
01:11:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> THAC0 is roughly the AC system we have now, just mathematically stupid (as in, you try to roll high, yet your target number is low, and lower target numbers are harder)
01:11:32 <Yuugi> Which aren't used to my knowledge in Pathfinder
01:11:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> are these in basic, or additional material for basic?
01:11:40 <Yuugi> THAC0 is not mathematically stupid
01:11:44 <Yuugi> You just don't know math :P
01:11:48 <Yuugi> In Basic
01:11:53 <Yuugi> Basic is based on OD&D
01:11:57 <Yuugi> The booklets written by Gygax
01:12:00 <Yuugi> Where Dwarf is class
01:12:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know what basic is
01:12:03 <Yuugi> not race
01:12:05 <Yuugi> Ok
01:12:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and in UA dwarf is a class
01:12:16 <Yuugi> :P
01:12:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and so is elf, halfling
01:12:23 <Brunius|M> THAC0 is a bit silly
01:12:27 <Yuugi> yes
01:12:45 <Yuugi> I don't see it as silly.
01:13:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then explain how rolling high vs a low number is good visuall?
01:13:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> visually*
01:13:51 <Yuugi> Visually doesn't matter
01:14:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because?
01:14:06 <Yuugi> It makes sense to roll attacks as a DC against the monster's armor?
01:14:28 <Yuugi> And the AC is simply the number -20 to determine the DC, I believe
01:14:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes it is
01:14:38 <Yuugi> So a Normal man with AC 4
01:14:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> give or take
01:14:43 <Yuugi> You need to roll 20-4
01:14:45 <Yuugi> 16
01:14:48 <Yuugi> Bam
01:14:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think it's -10 or -20, don't remember exactly
01:14:53 <Yuugi> What's so hard about that?
01:14:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea that's it
01:14:58 <Yuugi> It is -20
01:15:03 <Yuugi> Because AC 0 is 20
01:15:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because why does it need additional maths involved?
01:15:08 * Yuugi is looking at the chart right now
01:15:24 <Yuugi> It's not additional in Basic, they give you a chart and you simply copy the numbers onto the character sheet
01:15:34 <Yuugi> besides, the players don't need to worry about it at all
01:15:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they changed to how AC is now because they realised they don't need to add additional oversight and maths
01:15:51 <Yuugi> other than "lower is better"
01:16:11 <Yuugi> hahahaa
01:16:18 <Yuugi> "don't need to add aditional maths"
01:16:24 <Yuugi> AC is now a cluster fuck of math
01:16:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> AC can be a clusterfuck of maths
01:16:46 <Yuugi> it's just simpler for simple minded folks
01:16:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it's raw form it is not
01:16:49 <Yuugi> because it's all addition
01:16:56 <Yuugi> I like the DC version
01:16:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, and all addition (generally at least) is good
01:17:03 <Yuugi> The AC version makes more sense to me as a player
01:17:05 <Yuugi> But as a DM
01:17:09 <Yuugi> I dig the DC better.
01:17:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you can still do the DC version as a DM now
01:17:27 <Yuugi> not really
01:17:30 <Yuugi> it requires math skills
01:17:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it did before
01:17:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ...
01:17:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's still a simple subtraction
01:17:47 <Yuugi> so your point is moot :P
01:18:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, my point is it only requires subtraction if you want it
01:18:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in general it does not
01:18:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in THAC0 systems, it always required a last subtraction, wanted/needed or not
01:19:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, it's do you do the math before or after the roll
01:19:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> most people like to do it after the roll, feels more climactic
01:24:41 <Yuugi> If you say so :|
01:32:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> should I get int 12 or will I be fine with 10 on 4 skill points per class?
01:32:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> per level*
01:43:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm, should I go 17,12,14,10,7,18 or 14,14,14,12,7,18 for a warrior oracle?
01:47:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ooo, a spot just came up for fangwood keep on sat
01:48:20 * Yuugi reads G.O.R.E.
02:35:45 <Philderbeast> Afternoon
02:49:11 <Philderbeast> CTCP -proxy- IRSSIPROXY BACKLOG SEND"
02:53:54 <Philderbeast> ok lets see if my script works to give me the back log
03:04:28 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, get a server and use znc
03:04:43 <Philderbeast> znc?
03:04:55 <Mekkis> an irc bouncer
03:05:31 <Philderbeast> im using irssi for that at the moment
03:05:39 <Mekkis> maybe I should play Fangwood keep and try and frag Spaceshot
03:05:47 <Philderbeast> ?
03:06:52 <Philderbeast> ok time to set up ZNC and see how that goest
03:06:54 <Mekkis> he created the character to troll me, so I should troll him back
03:07:04 <Philderbeast> nice
03:07:17 <Avatar> which character?
03:07:22 <Mekkis> ava
03:07:30 <Brunius> Oh yeah
03:07:40 <Avatar> how does ava troll you
03:07:40 <Brunius> He named ava that so the tab completion would grab avatar
03:07:48 <Avatar> hahaha
03:07:49 <Mekkis> Brunius, want to help?
03:07:53 <Avatar> shouldn't that grab ava
03:07:54 <Brunius> nope
03:07:58 <Avatar> ava comes before avatar
03:08:06 <Brunius> yeah but that was the reasoning
03:08:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that is true
03:08:15 <Brunius> I remember he was trying to think of a name that started with bal or mek too
03:08:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> very very true
03:08:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I did
03:08:31 <Avatar> that's pretty funny
03:08:33 <Mekkis> Avatar, Want to try and get a Waking Rune table on Saturday?
03:08:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I forgot about that to be honest
03:08:45 <Avatar> no, I want to play words of the ancients before waking rune
03:08:50 <Mekkis> 10-11, not on hard mode.
03:08:57 <Avatar> do you mean saturday morning
03:09:04 <Mekkis> yeah
03:09:08 <Mekkis> or evening
03:09:15 <Avatar> ugggh yeah okay I guess I can make an exception for that
03:09:24 <Mekkis> one or the other. Might me abl
03:09:28 <Avatar> normal mode only
03:09:34 <Mekkis> John has expressed interest
03:09:36 <Avatar> hard mode is an absolute dealbreaker
03:09:43 <Avatar> john doesn't want to play hard mode either
03:09:53 <Mekkis> agreed
03:09:56 <Mekkis> I know
03:11:27 <Mekkis> looks like I'll be running Seige
03:11:28 <Mekkis> 7-8 tier
03:13:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, not gonna be at that table then sadly
03:15:17 <Avatar> I'll be level 9 with Cairo or 10 with Snickers
03:19:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'll be 5 with ava
03:19:58 <Avatar> level up spaceshot!
03:20:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey, I'm going into the con at 4
03:20:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 4.0, give me some credit
03:24:11 <Avatar> it starts at 6 man
03:24:17 <Avatar> oh, 4 exp
03:24:34 <Avatar> just need to play more I guess
03:24:40 <Avatar> or GM more
03:24:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that too
03:24:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd prefer not to GM credit ava
03:27:24 <Avatar> do it for another character then
03:27:35 <Avatar> do you have a second character
03:27:48 <Avatar> if you're level 4, you're due
03:28:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I have a 1.2, and a 1.1
03:31:00 <Avatar> yeah GM credit up those
03:31:06 <Avatar> well, one of those
03:34:15 <Philderbeast> wow mekkis... i cant even get znc to let me connect
03:37:04 <philderbeast_pc> ok lets try this one last time then i give up
03:48:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that, or I just play more
03:48:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> probably the whole 14-16month gap I had from PFS is what did it
03:49:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because at one time ava was the same level as baraiq and your snickers
03:55:31 <Philderbeast> in other news i saw that the secondary missions for all the modules have been done and released
03:56:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup, they sure have
03:56:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though I don't wish to look at them myself, don't wish to spoil or game the system
03:58:18 <Philderbeast> yea i know the feeling,
03:58:36 <Philderbeast> i grabed a copy for whem im gming, and only read the mods i have done,
03:58:52 <Philderbeast> seems like its almost going to be free PP for the ones i know of anyway
04:01:35 <Philderbeast> derp... forgot the password i put on the proxy
04:13:43 <derekspencer> hey whats up?
04:21:13 <Avatar> whats up guyz?
04:21:17 <Avatar> now i leave
04:21:35 <Philderbeast> yea what can you do
04:23:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not much
04:27:00 <Philderbeast> hmmm how to paint my mini
04:27:08 <Avatar> green
04:27:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what mini?
04:28:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> speaking of minis, are you seriously going to buy those and get me to paint them for you?
04:28:39 <Philderbeast> kyra
04:30:47 <Philderbeast> hmmm i have blues, browns, reds and crays mostly on hand for paints
04:30:49 <Brunius> bright red
04:31:01 <Brunius> with bright blue hair
04:31:13 <Philderbeast> its half tempting
04:31:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that reminds me, I need to find a model for ava
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18:49:00 <Avatar> have you got the snickers one ready mekkis
19:10:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is there a point at having any armour at all at level 4 if my AC is only 16?
19:10:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 15*
19:15:10 <Avatar> level 4 isn't high
19:15:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> neither is 15 ac
19:15:45 <Avatar> so what does that tell you
19:16:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't know, maybe it tells me that I don't need to worry about my armour at all, maybe it tells me I can keep wearing it for it's benefit
19:17:02 <Avatar> I don't think that's what it tells you
19:17:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I don't know
19:17:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm not going to bother to improve it
19:17:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is no point
19:21:36 <Avatar> what are you proficient with
19:22:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> medium armour and shields
19:22:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so the most I could get is 19AC
19:22:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 10 dex
19:22:46 <Avatar> is your sheet on the site
19:22:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I don't have money for magical items (just rezed)
19:22:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not the latest
19:22:56 <Avatar> oops
19:26:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup
19:31:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so how does payment on the day work at unicon?
19:32:16 <Avatar> there's a front desk after you go in the double doors
19:32:24 <Avatar> you tell them your name and pay
19:33:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, cash only?
19:33:54 <Avatar> yeah
19:36:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and even though it says it starts at 6pm, when should I try to get there by?
19:36:39 <Avatar> 6pm
19:36:46 <Avatar> what do you think that time means
19:37:02 <Brunius> 5:45
19:37:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean isn't there like some general pregame setup or some shit?
19:37:40 <Avatar> 4:30
19:37:50 <Avatar> mustering
19:37:52 <Brunius> Yeah, that pretty much starts at 6pm
19:37:53 <Avatar> yeah you have to be there for that
19:38:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ??
19:38:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm confused
19:38:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> brunius, please be a doll and stfu
19:38:45 <Avatar> he's right
19:38:47 <Brunius> based on past experience, I would expect games not to start until 6:30
19:39:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, so I don't need to get there earlier than 6pm
19:44:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if a trait says (chelaxian, or taldor) does that mean it's only for humans of that subtype, or just anyone who would be considered that race (such as elves who lived their lives in cheliax or taldor)?
19:50:23 <Brunius> what's the source?
19:51:03 <Brunius> I'd expect it to be humans of that subtype but it could be faction based if it's in a PFS-related source
19:51:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> either the cheliax or taldor book
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20:09:00 <spuderator> Hey mekkis you haxor!
20:09:47 <spuderator> ??mekkis
20:12:00 <Brunius> he's dead, jim
20:24:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well, I've got a painted character that fits my 1.2 alternate, but not even a prepainted crappy plastic dnd model for ava
20:52:37 <Avatar> ??spuderator
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21:36:07 <Mekkis> spending a lot of credits on HEAT shells
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23:23:38 <Mekkis> Phones are running hot with complaints that sessions on the 4th floor NT server are being lost randomly. What is the problem most likely to be?
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23:27:30 <mannequin> believe it or not
23:28:49 <Mekkis> ?
23:32:58 <mannequin> update your server
23:36:11 <mannequin> you sure its the 4th floor
23:36:15 <mannequin> ??
23:36:25 <Mekkis> incorrect
23:37:59 <mannequin> you opened up hell by busting the fourth floor
23:50:36 <Mekkis> incorrect
23:50:49 <Mekkis> The problem, as I see it, is that the phone is on the hook.
23:51:17 <mannequin> well you gotta be there to know it
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