// #d&d — 2013-10-23
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04:35:01 <Bloodlust> yo
04:35:11 <Steven> yo
04:36:33 <Bloodlust> doesn't look like I'm going to get to Gm this weekend :(
04:37:03 <Steven> why not?
04:37:22 <Steven> you got like 2 days for people to sign up still
04:38:15 <Bloodlust> yeah but I've only got one so far
04:38:35 <Bloodlust> and there is another game of it already happening in that time slot so those who wanted to play have already signed up
04:39:26 <Steven> well those things happen.
04:41:15 <Bloodlust> meh
04:42:55 <Steven> so what up peoples.
04:43:02 <Steven> we got a new person in,
04:43:09 * Steven points at soulpact
04:46:52 <Steven> i miss my dog magnus. He knew the coolest tricks.
04:47:20 <Steven> tryin to teach the other two dogs the tricks he knew... they just dont get it.
04:47:59 <Bloodlust> dogs are cool
04:48:38 <Steven> i really wish i could teach these two dogs fetch slippers
04:48:53 <Steven> but i dont think its gonna happen.
04:50:47 <Steven> wish my house was bigger i'd get a bull mastiff, hopefully black and call him Shadow, then he'd be my Shadow Mastiff
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05:16:08 <Soulpact> Con or Dex on a monk?
05:18:03 <Soulpact> And does a level 1 monk level 1 rogue have +1 or +0 bab?
05:18:52 <Mekkis> +0
05:19:43 <Soulpact> That sucks.
05:20:13 <CWheezy> dex is only if you are going to use weapon finesse
05:20:18 <CWheezy> wisdom is generally better
05:21:06 <Soulpact> Hmm do you think Fauchard's reach is worth having to put points into STR as opposed to the Elven Curved Blade which can use dex?
05:22:01 <Soulpact> I mean I can pretty much say fk chr, and int. So is 4 stats too many or should I say fk str too and go dex.. hmm
05:22:24 <CWheezy> dex builds are generally pretty weak
05:22:34 <CWheezy> even when you get agile
05:22:43 <Soulpact> hmm ok
05:22:50 <Soulpact> Maybe I say fk dex then?
05:22:56 <Soulpact> and hope my wisdom is enough?
05:23:03 <CWheezy> I wouldn't dump it
05:23:10 <CWheezy> but usually wisdom gives you more things
05:23:13 <Soulpact> ive never done point buy before
05:23:24 <CWheezy> it isn't so hard
05:24:11 <Soulpact> is it frowned upon to take the -2 to a stat?
05:24:22 <Brunius> CWheezy wouldn't, but the rest of us would
05:24:33 <Brunius> Whatever floats your boat, though
05:24:41 <CWheezy> some people think it is "bad" to
05:25:01 <CWheezy> brunius doesn't speak for everyone here, also
05:25:22 <CWheezy> if you accept the consequences, it is fine imo
05:25:49 <Soulpact> i just dont really need the chr
05:25:52 <Avatar> nothing wrong with taking a -2 mod
05:26:08 <Soulpact> oh i'd just put it at 8
05:26:11 <Soulpact> not all the way to 7
05:26:37 <CWheezy> that is only -1
05:26:47 <CWheezy> I have characters with low charisma, and it comes up a lot
05:27:31 <Soulpact> str 16, wis 16, dex 12, con 10, int 10, chr 8..
05:27:39 <Soulpact> points dont stretch very far!
05:28:11 <CWheezy> nope
05:28:22 <CWheezy> con 10 is a mistake btw
05:28:23 <Soulpact> if i went human where would you recomend i put the 2
05:28:35 <CWheezy> I recommend 14
05:28:37 <Soulpact> you think con or dex is better?
05:28:52 <CWheezy> if you only buy 14 str, and but the human into str
05:28:57 <CWheezy> you can buy some ok con
05:29:53 <Soulpact> but i dont plan on using flury of blows
05:30:02 <Soulpact> so i feel like i need the bonus to hit
05:30:59 <CWheezy> living is pretty nice imo
05:31:04 <CWheezy> also, not using flurry?
05:32:23 <Soulpact> yea, i have this weird build i want to try..
05:32:32 <Soulpact> and i want the higher crit chance of non-monk weapons
05:33:00 <Brunius> http://inkwellideas.com/images/overview-map-lettersize.jpg
05:40:55 <Avatar> man don't take con 10
05:41:31 <Soulpact> I can go 14 str, 14 con, 12 dex, 16 wis, 10 int, 8 chr, then throw the +2 from halfelf onto str
05:41:39 <Avatar> is this a monk?
05:41:48 <Soulpact> monk ninja
05:42:05 <Avatar> I don't know what ideal stats are for a monk ninja
05:42:12 <Avatar> do you have an idea of feats?
05:42:28 <Soulpact> i have no feats needed in my build
05:42:37 <Avatar> but what do you plan to take
05:42:42 <Avatar> gives an idea of build direction
05:43:00 <Soulpact> ok
05:43:09 <Soulpact> so i take monk till 5 as hungry ghost
05:43:17 <Soulpact> and they steal ki when they crit
05:43:31 <Soulpact> then go ninja
05:43:48 <Soulpact> maybe go 2m/2n first, then finish monk
05:44:13 <Soulpact> i want to use the elven curved blade (i know, no flury but I can always just punch for that) for the 18-20 crit
05:44:25 <Soulpact> and then abuse the 2 ninja ki powers of extra attack and invis
05:45:03 <Soulpact> I -could- go kukri and 2hw feats, but idk
05:46:20 <Soulpact> I know 5 levels into monk is a pretty deep dip, but the class offers a lot of good things and synergy with ninja
05:46:36 <Soulpact> the main concern i have is 2 levels of +0 bab
05:47:13 <Soulpact> so i think twf would be really rough, and think wf elven curve might be better
05:48:10 <Soulpact> rush my money into a keen elven curve
05:48:18 <Soulpact> and thats pretty much my plan so far
05:49:18 <Avatar> what is hungry ghost
05:49:31 <Steven> its an archetype
05:49:51 <Steven> that when someone confirms a crit they get a ki point back
05:51:35 <Soulpact> right
05:52:53 <Soulpact> would you recomend i start ninja or monk
05:53:31 <Steven> which will get you better survivability?
05:54:03 <Soulpact> monk i think
05:54:05 <Soulpact> for hp and saves
05:54:27 <Steven> then go monk.
05:55:40 <Soulpact> 14 ac pretty low for melee
05:55:54 <Soulpact> what should my level 1 feat be?
05:57:51 <Soulpact> you recommend favored class to be hp always?
06:00:54 <CWheezy> toughness
06:01:09 <CWheezy> and yes
06:03:58 <Soulpact> hmm ok.. toughness so lack luster though :P
06:08:48 <Soulpact> stealth, acrobatics, perception
06:08:52 <Soulpact> what should my last skill be
06:09:05 <Soulpact> oh wait i'm human i get 2
06:10:14 <Avatar> toughness has saved my life several times
06:10:30 <Avatar> I think it's worth more at higher levels
06:10:43 <Soulpact> really?
06:10:48 <Soulpact> seems only good at low levels
06:11:07 <CWheezy> it is pretty usefu
06:11:10 <CWheezy> especially for melee
06:12:10 <Soulpact> yea i guess starting with 14 hp is nice
06:14:08 <Avatar> when a high level fireball hits you for 70 damage, and you have 65hp, thanks to your toughness bonus that gives you +10hp, you'll be glad you have that feat
06:15:42 <Brunius> oh yeah, toughness...
06:17:59 <Soulpact> So.. I have my weapon and don't really need to buy anything else I don't think. Any suggestions for 136 gold?
06:18:53 <Avatar> go to www.pfrpg.com.au and scroll down on the front page
06:22:47 <Steven> scared him off avatar.
06:24:01 <Avatar> good riddance !
06:24:11 <Steven> yeah how dare new players come in here!
06:24:36 <Steven> so when ya gonna run something for us?
06:24:42 <Avatar> next time they'll know better
06:29:49 <Steven> thinkin of cheesin this character out hardcore... whatcha thing avatar?
06:46:04 <Steven> how about a monk/ninja/Duelist
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06:53:46 Topic for #d&d set by Mekkis at Sun Oct 20 14:19:29 2013
06:53:48 NickOP sets mode +r Mekkis
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06:56:06 <Mekkis> I find FS1 is a good educational feature.
06:56:17 <Mekkis> For GMs, who learn that they SHOULD follow the tactics
06:59:06 <Avatar> agree
06:59:19 <Avatar> for the whole scenario though
07:00:48 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qa52?GMing-Demonic-NPCs
07:02:52 <Avatar> ooer
07:02:58 <Avatar> I stupidly ignored that thread yesterday
07:03:02 <Avatar> I will have a good read at work
07:27:43 <Avatar> cheesing only works when I do it because I don't know how
07:28:28 <Steven> okay how about instead an Lore Oracle/Urban Barbarian/Duelist.
07:30:20 <Steven> 7/16/16/16/10/11
07:35:32 <Avatar> ?????
07:37:39 <Steven> those would be my stats.
07:49:16 <Steven> there we go, character made, its broken as fuck
07:49:53 <Steven> crane winging barbarian/oracle/duelist
07:51:45 <Steven> so i can parry an attack once a round and crane wing an attack once a round.
07:51:53 <Steven> AC of 38 at 8th level.
07:51:58 <Steven> light armor.
07:53:08 <Steven> only do 1d6+23 damage with +18 to hit critting on a 15-20.
07:55:22 <Steven> now to file it in the Cheese file folder.
08:00:47 <Avatar> how do you get an AC of 38
08:00:56 <Avatar> I really can't work out how to get high AC's
08:01:21 <Avatar> seemingly even after people tell me how they've done it, usually in rapid-fire style
08:02:20 <Steven> basically goes like 5-7 from dex, +8 from armor
08:02:26 <Steven> +dodge bonus of lots
08:02:34 <Steven> and in this case +int to AC
08:02:41 <Steven> then a buff or two.
08:02:50 <Avatar> +int to AC?
08:02:55 <Steven> duelist level
08:03:06 <Avatar> I think I had best take a look at duelist sometime
08:03:46 <Steven> for every level of duelist you get a +1 dodge bonus for each +1 int bonus...
08:04:00 <Steven> so at second level, if i have 14 int, i get +2 dodge
08:04:15 <Steven> at third level, if i have 16 int, i get +3 dodge.
08:08:40 <Steven> i just wanted to parry and crane wing
08:45:21 <Steven> think imma have biscuits and gravy for breakfast
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18:34:26 <Bloodlust> yo
18:34:36 <Steven> yo
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18:35:58 <Bloodlust> doesn't look like I'm going to get to Gm this weekend :(
18:36:28 <Steven> why not?
18:36:47 <Steven> you got like 2 days for people to sign up still
18:37:40 <Bloodlust> yeah but I've only got one so far
18:38:00 <Bloodlust> and there is another game of it already happening in that time slot so those who wanted to play have already signed up
18:38:51 <Steven> well those things happen.
18:40:40 <Bloodlust> meh
18:42:20 <Steven> so what up peoples.
18:42:28 <Steven> we got a new person in,
18:42:34 * Steven points at soulpact
18:46:17 <Steven> i miss my dog magnus. He knew the coolest tricks.
18:46:45 <Steven> tryin to teach the other two dogs the tricks he knew... they just dont get it.
18:47:24 <Bloodlust> dogs are cool
18:48:03 <Steven> i really wish i could teach these two dogs fetch slippers
18:48:18 <Steven> but i dont think its gonna happen.
18:50:12 <Steven> wish my house was bigger i'd get a bull mastiff, hopefully black and call him Shadow, then he'd be my Shadow Mastiff
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19:15:32 <Soulpact> Con or Dex on a monk?
19:17:28 <Soulpact> And does a level 1 monk level 1 rogue have +1 or +0 bab?
19:18:17 <Mekkis> +0
19:19:08 <Soulpact> That sucks.
19:19:38 <CWheezy> dex is only if you are going to use weapon finesse
19:19:43 <CWheezy> wisdom is generally better
19:20:31 <Soulpact> Hmm do you think Fauchard's reach is worth having to put points into STR as opposed to the Elven Curved Blade which can use dex?
19:21:26 <Soulpact> I mean I can pretty much say fk chr, and int. So is 4 stats too many or should I say fk str too and go dex.. hmm
19:21:49 <CWheezy> dex builds are generally pretty weak
19:21:59 <CWheezy> even when you get agile
19:22:08 <Soulpact> hmm ok
19:22:15 <Soulpact> Maybe I say fk dex then?
19:22:21 <Soulpact> and hope my wisdom is enough?
19:22:28 <CWheezy> I wouldn't dump it
19:22:35 <CWheezy> but usually wisdom gives you more things
19:22:38 <Soulpact> ive never done point buy before
19:22:49 <CWheezy> it isn't so hard
19:23:36 <Soulpact> is it frowned upon to take the -2 to a stat?
19:23:47 <Brunius> CWheezy wouldn't, but the rest of us would
19:23:58 <Brunius> Whatever floats your boat, though
19:24:06 <CWheezy> some people think it is "bad" to
19:24:26 <CWheezy> brunius doesn't speak for everyone here, also
19:24:47 <CWheezy> if you accept the consequences, it is fine imo
19:25:14 <Soulpact> i just dont really need the chr
19:25:17 <Avatar> nothing wrong with taking a -2 mod
19:25:33 <Soulpact> oh i'd just put it at 8
19:25:36 <Soulpact> not all the way to 7
19:26:02 <CWheezy> that is only -1
19:26:11 <CWheezy> I have characters with low charisma, and it comes up a lot
19:26:56 <Soulpact> str 16, wis 16, dex 12, con 10, int 10, chr 8..
19:27:04 <Soulpact> points dont stretch very far!
19:27:35 <CWheezy> nope
19:27:48 <CWheezy> con 10 is a mistake btw
19:27:49 <Soulpact> if i went human where would you recomend i put the 2
19:28:01 <CWheezy> I recommend 14
19:28:03 <Soulpact> you think con or dex is better?
19:28:19 <CWheezy> if you only buy 14 str, and but the human into str
19:28:23 <CWheezy> you can buy some ok con
19:29:19 <Soulpact> but i dont plan on using flury of blows
19:29:28 <Soulpact> so i feel like i need the bonus to hit
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19:30:25 <CWheezy> living is pretty nice imo
19:30:30 <CWheezy> also, not using flurry?
19:31:49 <Soulpact> yea, i have this weird build i want to try..
19:31:59 <Soulpact> and i want the higher crit chance of non-monk weapons
19:32:26 <Brunius> http://inkwellideas.com/images/overview-map-lettersize.jpg
19:40:21 <Avatar> man don't take con 10
19:40:57 <Soulpact> I can go 14 str, 14 con, 12 dex, 16 wis, 10 int, 8 chr, then throw the +2 from halfelf onto str
19:41:05 <Avatar> is this a monk?
19:41:14 <Soulpact> monk ninja
19:41:32 <Avatar> I don't know what ideal stats are for a monk ninja
19:41:38 <Avatar> do you have an idea of feats?
19:41:54 <Soulpact> i have no feats needed in my build
19:42:03 <Avatar> but what do you plan to take
19:42:08 <Avatar> gives an idea of build direction
19:42:26 <Soulpact> ok
19:42:35 <Soulpact> so i take monk till 5 as hungry ghost
19:42:44 <Soulpact> and they steal ki when they crit
19:42:57 <Soulpact> then go ninja
19:43:14 <Soulpact> maybe go 2m/2n first, then finish monk
19:43:40 <Soulpact> i want to use the elven curved blade (i know, no flury but I can always just punch for that) for the 18-20 crit
19:43:51 <Soulpact> and then abuse the 2 ninja ki powers of extra attack and invis
19:44:29 <Soulpact> I -could- go kukri and 2hw feats, but idk
19:45:46 <Soulpact> I know 5 levels into monk is a pretty deep dip, but the class offers a lot of good things and synergy with ninja
19:46:02 <Soulpact> the main concern i have is 2 levels of +0 bab
19:46:39 <Soulpact> so i think twf would be really rough, and think wf elven curve might be better
19:47:36 <Soulpact> rush my money into a keen elven curve
19:47:44 <Soulpact> and thats pretty much my plan so far
19:48:44 <Avatar> what is hungry ghost
19:48:58 <Steven> its an archetype
19:49:17 <Steven> that when someone confirms a crit they get a ki point back
19:51:01 <Soulpact> right
19:52:20 <Soulpact> would you recomend i start ninja or monk
19:52:58 <Steven> which will get you better survivability?
19:53:29 <Soulpact> monk i think
19:53:32 <Soulpact> for hp and saves
19:53:53 <Steven> then go monk.
19:55:07 <Soulpact> 14 ac pretty low for melee
19:55:20 <Soulpact> what should my level 1 feat be?
19:57:17 <Soulpact> you recommend favored class to be hp always?
20:00:20 <CWheezy> toughness
20:00:35 <CWheezy> and yes
20:03:24 <Soulpact> hmm ok.. toughness so lack luster though :P
20:08:15 <Soulpact> stealth, acrobatics, perception
20:08:18 <Soulpact> what should my last skill be
20:08:31 <Soulpact> oh wait i'm human i get 2
20:09:40 <Avatar> toughness has saved my life several times
20:09:56 <Avatar> I think it's worth more at higher levels
20:10:09 <Soulpact> really?
20:10:14 <Soulpact> seems only good at low levels
20:10:33 <CWheezy> it is pretty usefu
20:10:37 <CWheezy> especially for melee
20:11:36 <Soulpact> yea i guess starting with 14 hp is nice
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20:13:35 <Avatar> when a high level fireball hits you for 70 damage, and you have 65hp, thanks to your toughness bonus that gives you +10hp, you'll be glad you have that feat
20:15:09 <Brunius> oh yeah, toughness...
20:17:25 <Soulpact> So.. I have my weapon and don't really need to buy anything else I don't think. Any suggestions for 136 gold?
20:18:19 <Avatar> go to www.pfrpg.com.au and scroll down on the front page
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20:22:13 <Steven> scared him off avatar.
20:23:27 <Avatar> good riddance !
20:23:37 <Steven> yeah how dare new players come in here!
20:24:02 <Steven> so when ya gonna run something for us?
20:24:08 <Avatar> next time they'll know better
20:29:15 <Steven> thinkin of cheesin this character out hardcore... whatcha thing avatar?
20:45:30 <Steven> how about a monk/ninja/Duelist
21:27:09 <Avatar> cheesing only works when I do it because I don't know how
21:27:54 <Steven> okay how about instead an Lore Oracle/Urban Barbarian/Duelist.
21:29:46 <Steven> 7/16/16/16/10/11
21:34:58 <Avatar> ?????
21:37:05 <Steven> those would be my stats.
21:48:42 <Steven> there we go, character made, its broken as fuck
21:49:19 <Steven> crane winging barbarian/oracle/duelist
21:51:12 <Steven> so i can parry an attack once a round and crane wing an attack once a round.
21:51:19 <Steven> AC of 38 at 8th level.
21:51:24 <Steven> light armor.
21:52:34 <Steven> only do 1d6+23 damage with +18 to hit critting on a 15-20.
21:54:48 <Steven> now to file it in the Cheese file folder.
22:00:14 <Avatar> how do you get an AC of 38
22:00:23 <Avatar> I really can't work out how to get high AC's
22:00:47 <Avatar> seemingly even after people tell me how they've done it, usually in rapid-fire style
22:01:46 <Steven> basically goes like 5-7 from dex, +8 from armor
22:01:52 <Steven> +dodge bonus of lots
22:02:00 <Steven> and in this case +int to AC
22:02:08 <Steven> then a buff or two.
22:02:16 <Avatar> +int to AC?
22:02:21 <Steven> duelist level
22:02:32 <Avatar> I think I had best take a look at duelist sometime
22:03:12 <Steven> for every level of duelist you get a +1 dodge bonus for each +1 int bonus...
22:03:26 <Steven> so at second level, if i have 14 int, i get +2 dodge
22:03:42 <Steven> at third level, if i have 16 int, i get +3 dodge.
22:48:20 <***> Buffer Playback...
22:48:20 <***> Playback Complete.
22:52:22 <Mekkis> I really like the lesser rod of reach on my cleric
22:52:36 <Mekkis> sure, I can do Cure Serious wounds from 35'
22:52:46 <Mekkis> but I can also do Bestow Curse from 35'
22:53:42 <Steven> good stuff
22:53:58 <Steven> love the bestow curse for 50% do nothing
22:56:24 <Mekkis> I like the -4 first
22:57:49 <Mekkis> then I cast it again :P
22:58:23 <Steven> well the dc for mine is 27 so even if the will save is the good save should still land about 50% of the time and thats nice when you're basically negating a persons turn completely.
23:00:01 <Mekkis> I haven't really concentrated in increasing the DC
23:00:41 <Steven> well i'm a necromancy wizard and thats my bread and butter.
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