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15:49 <Yuugi> Hi Brunius 
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16:32 <Yuugi> >_>
27:46 <Brunius> Hello Yuugi
28:00 <Yuugi> wb
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39:04 <Yuugi> I can't wait for tomorrow when I meet my irl group again
45:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey bruno
47:05 <Steven> blah.... the store sucks
07:34 <Steven> so how are you guys doing?
14:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> flailing in gaems atm
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21:43 <Steven> flailing?  like dire flail or just regular flail?
26:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> exactly
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29:33 <ladylydia1020> hello
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35:52 <ladylydia1020> hello
38:16 <ladylydia1020> Anybody on here?
41:57 <Yuugi> Hi
47:16 <Philderbeast> hmmm what to play tonight
48:31 <ladylydia1020> What's up?
50:06 <ladylydia1020> Want to play a game of pathfinder?
53:21 <Yuugi> Not really. I dislike the online culture of Pathfinder.
54:33 <ladylydia1020> I haven't actually played pathfinder online yet, so I'm not quite sure what the online culture of it is. Usually I play in person, but I'm kinda bored and wanted to see about playing a game
56:20 <Yuugi> Well, you're in the right place.
56:28 <Yuugi> These guys run a lot of PFS.
57:06 <ladylydia1020> Oh. Alright. So what do you mean by the online culture of pathfinder exactly?
58:31 <Yuugi> Just all the players I've met have this really weird sense of entitlement. And they just play the game in a way I can't imagine is fun. o.o
58:54 <ladylydia1020> Oh. How do they play exactly?
59:11 <ladylydia1020> rule lawyer and hack 'n slash?
59:19 <ladylydia1020> cause that gets pretty boring sometimes
59:24 <ladylydia1020> most of the time
00:38 <Yuugi> No, it's just this philosophy and expectations that they have.
01:06 <Yuugi> Rules Lawyering is sort of a part of it.
01:07 <ladylydia1020> oh. okay. What system do you like?
01:15 <Yuugi> Pathfinder XD
01:23 <Yuugi> Just, with players who mesh well with me.
01:39 <ladylydia1020> Oh, lol
01:52 <Yuugi> Also Ars Magica, GURPS, In Nomine, Maid RPG, Monsterhearts, 
01:57 <Yuugi> Other editions of D&D
02:30 <Yuugi> Also looking into Tenra Bansho Zero and Forgotten Futures.
02:34 <ladylydia1020> I wanted to try GURPS, but I couldn't find anyone who really wanted to play a d6 system
02:46 <ladylydia1020> So i never got the chance to try it out
03:40 <Yuugi> I love d6
03:51 <Yuugi> Maid, GURPS, In Nomine, and Monsterhearts are all d6
04:03 <Yuugi> Ars Magica is d10 :P
04:34 <ladylydia1020> I've also heard good things about world of darkness, but I haven't been able to try that either
05:08 <ladylydia1020> if you can gm, I'd love to try out gurps
05:21 <Yuugi> haha, Monsterhearts is like what WoD is supposed to be.
05:42 <Yuugi> Although I'd only recommend it for mature people who are comfortable with sexuality in games and being a bit vulnerable.
05:59 <ladylydia1020> sounds interesting
06:08 <Yuugi> It's mechanics pretty properly create the atmosphere of supernatural teenage melodrama, and it's very messy~
06:16 <ladylydia1020> know a place online where I can find the rules for it?
06:29 <Yuugi> So it's like playing Buffy, Twilight, True Blood, or stuff
06:37 <Yuugi> You'd have to pay for the rules.
06:38 <ladylydia1020> cool
06:43 <ladylydia1020> oh, okay
06:44 <Yuugi> I don't condone piracy.
06:53 <Avatar> yo
07:04 <Yuugi> http://buriedwithoutceremony.com/portfolio/monsterhearts/
07:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yo
07:08 <ladylydia1020> I was thinking like an srd or a site where they're posted up or something
07:10 <Philderbeast> yo
07:21 <Yuugi> D&D is the only game with SRDs
07:31 <Avatar> sale on everything on paizo
07:40 <Avatar> everything that matters, at least
07:51 <Mekkis> hey
07:56 <Yuugi> I think you can download the skins and reference booklet for free
08:03 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, where are you?
08:04 <Yuugi> But the rules cost $5
08:13 <Philderbeast> canberra
08:19 <Mekkis> you're not at Conder
08:23 <Mekkis> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-ii-the-return-of-mr-bones
08:36 <Yuugi> er
08:38 <Yuugi> $10
08:38 <Philderbeast> not yetr
08:41 <Yuugi> my mistake
08:43 <Mekkis> I know
08:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> pdf sail?
09:00 <Avatar> unpainted figures :(
09:01 <Philderbeast> im leaving home soon to head down
09:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sale*
09:16 <Philderbeast> are you arleady there
09:20 <Mekkis> ja
09:20 <Avatar> someone should set up a service where all their business is, is painting minis
09:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar: there are a lot of those services
09:38 <Avatar> where
09:51 <Mekkis> ask Spaceshot_tm2
09:55 <Mekkis> he'll probably do it
10:02 <Mekkis> I just do it between WoT rounds
10:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> around, usually in miniature gaming circles
10:05 <Avatar> how much do you charge spaceshot
10:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> fuck all, unless I'm required to buy additional paints for your scheme
11:06 <Avatar> yeah I'll pay the cost for the paints if you're painting
11:10 <Philderbeast> damm it... why do they have to have all the scenarios on sale....
11:26 <Avatar> how much for a full $100 set from that kickstarter
11:32 <Avatar> fully painted
11:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> gimme a sec to look at it on my PC
13:34 <Yuugi> I'm also interested in getting in the future Spark RPG
13:40 <Yuugi> And Don't Rest Your Head
13:46 <Yuugi> Oh, and also I own FATE but never played it.
13:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> curiously, how often would you want them done, and would I be able to use a general theme for the similar style models?
14:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd paint the bases different colours to make it easier for GMing
14:27 <Avatar> what do you mean how often
14:30 <Avatar> just the set and never again
14:53 <Avatar> what is a general theme
14:56 <ladylydia1020> I like the good deeds system of payment
15:10 <Avatar> you have to talk to me about this like I don't even know what a mini is
15:15 <ladylydia1020> I might just have to go volunteer for a while on friday
15:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no I mean, do you want the set done in a month, 2 months, or a few select models a week, or do you want specific models done by specific times (as in if you require 4 elves and you've only got 2 painted, I'll get the 2 extra done when needed)
15:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, how lazy can I be with the painting XD
15:57 <Yuugi> ?
16:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> general theme is, if it's an elven archer, I'll paint it in greens and browns, if it's a armoured dwarf, I'll paint it in silver and bronze with a brown beared
16:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like the commonly noted colours for those models
16:58 <ladylydia1020> On the page. you can pay for the rulebooks in good deeds
17:45 <ladylydia1020> you send the guy an email with a description of what you did, and he'll award you with "good deeds" Different books cost different amount of deeds
17:58 <Avatar> you can go at a reasonably lazy pace, there's no rush
18:17 <Avatar> if it takes a year I'll be asking questions
18:32 <Avatar> generic colours are fine
18:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then probably $2-5 a model, more for larger models of course
18:49 <Avatar> does that include the paints
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19:04 <Steven> sup.
19:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm, I'd probably need $20-30 on paints in total (I'll have to look at the models and see what is needed, from the look at it it's mainly greens, and browns, which I've got a bunch already)
20:21 <Mekkis> Avatar, it'll take a year to arrive
20:27 <Mekkis> and that's before the painting starts
20:42 <Yuugi> ah
20:46 <Yuugi> hi Steven 
20:51 <ladylydia1020> hello
21:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it may be a bit more (saw it is as a fuck ton of models). that's fine mekkis, he'll easily have enough money to pay for them when he get's the models then
22:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and wow, $30 for a case, that's pretty good
22:10 <Steven> I'm a total fuckin boss.
22:20 <Steven> mom got out of hospital yesterday.
22:34 <Steven> im babysitting and helpin my mom.
22:34 <Mekkis> the case quality isn't particularly good
22:40 <ladylydia1020> alright
22:44 <Mekkis> and the miniature durability is, however, great.
22:53 <ladylydia1020> I really just want to play something
22:53 <Steven> i am the king of multitasking!
22:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but yea avatar, if you just want single models here and there, I'll pay for my own paints, I'll only ask for paints in a large batch, such as that many
23:00 <ladylydia1020> okay then
24:18 <Philderbeast> ok im off guys time to trak mekkis down
26:20 <Mekkis> oh no
29:09 <Mekkis> anyone want a set of basic flipmaps?
29:20 <Avatar> sure
29:37 <Avatar> how come you have spare flipmaps
29:54 <Mekkis> I won it at the con last weekend
30:01 <Avatar> nice
31:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar: what's the TPK ratio of your run sessions?
31:56 <Avatar> 0
31:57 <Mekkis> mine's 0%
32:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, good to hear
32:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> don't want to die again
33:21 <Mekkis> Avatar, what table are you playing the special at?
34:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm surprised he's playing his cleric not his witch or gunslinger
35:05 <Avatar> uh
35:09 <Avatar> 8-9, with Cairo
35:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> why not someone you enjoy playing?
35:24 <Mekkis> do you want me to GM that tier?
35:34 <Avatar> I'm not bothered
35:46 <Avatar> I really need to quickly look at respeccing him though
36:31 <ladylydia1020> Does anyone want to play d&d or pathfinder or gurps, or something?
36:57 <Steven> cant, right now im babysitting, otherwise i would... well probably not be able to play anyways.
37:10 <Steven> i've played most everything for PFS
37:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what table does 5 go to? 4-6 or 5-7?
38:08 <Steven> which reminds me, gotta go update my sheet
38:40 <ladylydia1020> So why not play something else? Not everything you play has to come strictly from modules and adventure paths
38:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wow, there are so many healers/healerable characters put down for the special
39:01 <ladylydia1020> personally, I prefer homebrew stuff
39:06 <Avatar> 5-6
39:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> woo, team lods of heals
39:26 <Steven> but if we were to play something real fast, like start playing within the hour, it would likely have to be a scenario, module, or AP.
39:57 <ladylydia1020> If I know the system, I can have a homebrew game ready to go in about 15 minutes
41:13 <Brunius> I think Bairaq can even do healing in a pinch
44:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well 5-6 has a cleric, a life oracle (me), a druid, a paladin, and a medic/support
44:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh, and a fighter
44:47 <Brunius> oh, Unicon-goers, I'm only going for the special
44:50 <Brunius> nocash
44:59 <Brunius> six people
45:48 <Brunius> oh sweet, Ashley isn't GMing the special
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50:08 <Avatar> yeah I noticed you backed out of your games
51:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> still not sure if I should play in the module or not
51:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's tempting, but I could easily play in 2 different sessions instead
52:59 <Avatar> I might not be going saturday morning
53:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cbf?
55:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> could join me for glass river rescue, unless you've already played it
55:45 <Avatar> is that the ashley one
55:47 <Avatar> or the full one
56:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ashley...
57:01 <Avatar> pass
57:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
57:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is he a bad GM?
57:59 <Avatar> he has a tendency to screw players
58:07 <Avatar> when he's not screwing them, he's a good GM
58:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wait... is he the ultimate rules guy?
58:14 <Avatar> no, that's ryan
58:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok
58:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is ashley the big guy?
58:58 <Brunius> fairly big
59:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think I played under him at last year conquest
59:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> with a table of ava and 4 rogues
00:16 <Brunius> oh god
00:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> a rogue threw an oil flask in a room, then threw an alchemist fire
00:57 <Avatar> 4 rogues would actually be decent
01:05 <Avatar> they'd constantly help each other flank
01:07 <Brunius> http://imgur.com/KRR957m
01:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> killed the monster, but then we almost burnt the place down
01:51 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure alchemist fire can't burn a place down
02:11 <Brunius> oil probably can though
02:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if we failed because of that, I'd be pissed, but since we didn't (I constantly casted create water to downpour whilst the others got buckets of water) it made for a good story
02:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oil flask + alch fire in a store room of papers and files
03:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I can understand how it could go alight, but not burn down the whole place
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04:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm, mekkis are you going to be at unicon on sat or just sunday?
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40:29 <Brunius> He's not signed up for anything on Sat
43:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also bruno, do you require dosh to play the weekend?
43:35 <Brunius> Uh
43:41 <Brunius> Yes, I would
43:47 <Brunius> But I'm not sure I want to play the whole weekend
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46:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you know when you'll know?
49:52 <Avatar> run something
50:11 <Brunius> No
50:18 <Brunius> Running stuff IRL for strangers is scary
50:22 <Brunius> Running stuff IRL is scary
50:28 <Brunius> Running stuff for strangers is scary
50:30 <Brunius> RL is scary
50:34 <Brunius> Runningstuff is scary
50:40 <Avatar> face your fears brunius
50:45 <Avatar> face your fears then fear disappears
52:19 <Brunius> you may be right.
52:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> harden up little kid
53:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you'll live
53:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or get brutally raped
53:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> see, not that bad the outcomes
03:18 <ladylydia1020> gah. I want to play some rpgs
09:09 <Avatar> play!
10:16 <ladylydia1020> I don't have anyone to play with right now
30:34 <Avatar> that sucks a bit
31:05 <ladylydia1020> yeah, it does
32:46 <Avatar> do you play PFS
59:34 <Yuugi> ladylydia1020: Would you be willing to do a one-shot?
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12:33 <ladylydia1020> yes, I would
12:43 <ladylydia1020> and I haven't played pfs
13:05 <ladylydia1020> sorry it took me so long to reply, i had to take care of my laundry and dishes
13:21 <ladylydia1020> at least not society
13:35 <ladylydia1020> I do like the pathfinder system though
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17:04 <ladylydia1020> ugh. my computer went stupid for a minut
17:09 <ladylydia1020> minute*
22:43 <Avatar> roll up a PFS character and you will be laughing
22:46 <Avatar> all the way to the bank
25:44 <ladylydia1020> What are the rules for PFS, as opposed to just pathfinder?
30:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> whelp, there is not much to the paizo saile
30:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sale*
32:20 <Avatar> every scenario is on sale, and so are modules and APs
33:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, but most things are only print sales
33:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> very little pdf sales
33:39 <Avatar> what are you looking at
34:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> APs and modules I'd want to run
35:10 <Avatar> grab this:
35:12 <Avatar> ?guide
35:12 <diebot> Avatar, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
35:29 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/pfsproducts/sanctionedModules
35:41 <Avatar> all the modules that are discounted are the PDFs being discounted
36:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> meh
36:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'll live
37:30 <Bloodlust> sneaky
53:25 <ladylydia1020> alright. will do
53:59 <Avatar> basically you start at level 1, get to level 12 (for the most part)
54:04 <Avatar> your parties mix each time you play
54:17 <Avatar> unless you happen to play with the same people every time
54:47 <Avatar> there's some other limits on what you can buy, depending on how experienced you are
55:18 <Avatar> and you choose a faction for your character at character creation, and there's a backstory to that faction as you play certain scenarios
55:39 <Avatar> a 'scenario' is basicaly a mission you go on during a session, which lasts for about 6 hours of playtime
56:33 <Avatar> when you finish it, the pathfinder society pays you, and you get 1 exp and 1-2 "prestige points" which you can buy goods and services with
56:40 <Avatar> and every 3 exp, you level up
57:28 <ladylydia1020> interesting. so you don't have the normal xp progression then
58:08 <Philderbeast> nope 1 exp per scenario
58:47 <ladylydia1020> hmm. I might have to try it
58:57 <Philderbeast> or 1/2 if you decide to go the slow track
08:17 <ladylydia1020> anything special I should know about character creation?
16:56 <Avatar> chapter 2 of the guide
17:16 <Avatar> follow it to the letter and nobody will be harmed
33:21 <Bloodlust> Avatar: You there?
07:07 <ladylydia1020> sounds interesting
07:16 <Yuugi> It's mechanics pretty properly create the atmosphere of supernatural teenage melodrama, and it's very messy~
07:24 <ladylydia1020> know a place online where I can find the rules for it?
07:37 <Yuugi> So it's like playing Buffy, Twilight, True Blood, or stuff
07:45 <Yuugi> You'd have to pay for the rules.
07:46 <ladylydia1020> cool
07:51 <ladylydia1020> oh, okay
07:52 <Yuugi> I don't condone piracy.
08:12 <Yuugi> http://buriedwithoutceremony.com/portfolio/monsterhearts/
08:16 <ladylydia1020> I was thinking like an srd or a site where they're posted up or something
08:28 <Yuugi> D&D is the only game with SRDs
09:04 <Yuugi> I think you can download the skins and reference booklet for free
09:12 <Yuugi> But the rules cost $5
09:44 <Yuugi> er
09:46 <Yuugi> $10
09:48 <Yuugi> my mistake
14:42 <Yuugi> I'm also interested in getting in the future Spark RPG
14:47 <Yuugi> And Don't Rest Your Head
14:54 <Yuugi> Oh, and also I own FATE but never played it.
16:04 <ladylydia1020> I like the good deeds system of payment
16:23 <ladylydia1020> I might just have to go volunteer for a while on friday
17:04 <Yuugi> ?
18:06 <ladylydia1020> On the page. you can pay for the rulebooks in good deeds
18:53 <ladylydia1020> you send the guy an email with a description of what you did, and he'll award you with "good deeds" Different books cost different amount of deeds
20:11 <Steven> sup.
21:49 <Yuugi> ah
21:53 <Yuugi> hi Steven 
21:59 <ladylydia1020> hello
23:17 <Steven> I'm a total fuckin boss.
23:27 <Steven> mom got out of hospital yesterday.
23:41 <Steven> im babysitting and helpin my mom.
23:47 <ladylydia1020> alright
24:01 <ladylydia1020> I really just want to play something
24:01 <Steven> i am the king of multitasking!
24:07 <ladylydia1020> okay then
37:39 <ladylydia1020> Does anyone want to play d&d or pathfinder or gurps, or something?
38:05 <Steven> cant, right now im babysitting, otherwise i would... well probably not be able to play anyways.
38:18 <Steven> i've played most everything for PFS
39:15 <Steven> which reminds me, gotta go update my sheet
39:48 <ladylydia1020> So why not play something else? Not everything you play has to come strictly from modules and adventure paths
40:08 <ladylydia1020> personally, I prefer homebrew stuff
40:33 <Steven> but if we were to play something real fast, like start playing within the hour, it would likely have to be a scenario, module, or AP.
41:05 <ladylydia1020> If I know the system, I can have a homebrew game ready to go in about 15 minutes
04:26 <ladylydia1020> gah. I want to play some rpgs
10:17 <Avatar> play!
11:24 <ladylydia1020> I don't have anyone to play with right now
31:42 <Avatar> that sucks a bit
32:13 <ladylydia1020> yeah, it does
33:54 <Avatar> do you play PFS
00:41 <Yuugi> ladylydia1020: Would you be willing to do a one-shot?
13:40 <ladylydia1020> yes, I would
13:50 <ladylydia1020> and I haven't played pfs
14:13 <ladylydia1020> sorry it took me so long to reply, i had to take care of my laundry and dishes
14:28 <ladylydia1020> at least not society
14:43 <ladylydia1020> I do like the pathfinder system though
18:12 <ladylydia1020> ugh. my computer went stupid for a minut
18:17 <ladylydia1020> minute*
23:51 <Avatar> roll up a PFS character and you will be laughing
23:54 <Avatar> all the way to the bank
26:51 <ladylydia1020> What are the rules for PFS, as opposed to just pathfinder?
36:18 <Avatar> grab this:
36:20 <Avatar> ?guide
36:20 <diebot> Avatar, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
54:33 <ladylydia1020> alright. will do
55:07 <Avatar> basically you start at level 1, get to level 12 (for the most part)
55:12 <Avatar> your parties mix each time you play
55:24 <Avatar> unless you happen to play with the same people every time
55:55 <Avatar> there's some other limits on what you can buy, depending on how experienced you are
56:26 <Avatar> and you choose a faction for your character at character creation, and there's a backstory to that faction as you play certain scenarios
56:47 <Avatar> a 'scenario' is basicaly a mission you go on during a session, which lasts for about 6 hours of playtime
57:41 <Avatar> when you finish it, the pathfinder society pays you, and you get 1 exp and 1-2 "prestige points" which you can buy goods and services with
57:48 <Avatar> and every 3 exp, you level up
58:35 <ladylydia1020> interesting. so you don't have the normal xp progression then
59:16 <Philderbeast> nope 1 exp per scenario
59:55 <ladylydia1020> hmm. I might have to try it
00:05 <Philderbeast> or 1/2 if you decide to go the slow track
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05:24 <Avatar> yo
05:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yo
05:41 <Philderbeast> yo
06:03 <Avatar> sale on everything on paizo
06:11 <Avatar> everything that matters, at least
06:23 <Mekkis> hey
06:34 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, where are you?
06:44 <Philderbeast> canberra
06:51 <Mekkis> you're not at Conder
06:54 <Mekkis> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-ii-the-return-of-mr-bones
07:09 <Philderbeast> not yetr
07:15 <Mekkis> I know
07:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> pdf sail?
07:32 <Avatar> unpainted figures :(
07:32 <Philderbeast> im leaving home soon to head down
07:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sale*
07:47 <Philderbeast> are you arleady there
07:51 <Mekkis> ja
07:52 <Avatar> someone should set up a service where all their business is, is painting minis
08:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar: there are a lot of those services
08:10 <Avatar> where
08:22 <Mekkis> ask Spaceshot_tm2
08:27 <Mekkis> he'll probably do it
08:33 <Mekkis> I just do it between WoT rounds
08:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> around, usually in miniature gaming circles
08:36 <Avatar> how much do you charge spaceshot
09:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> fuck all, unless I'm required to buy additional paints for your scheme
09:24 <ladylydia1020> anything special I should know about character creation?
09:37 <Avatar> yeah I'll pay the cost for the paints if you're painting
09:41 <Philderbeast> damm it... why do they have to have all the scenarios on sale....
09:58 <Avatar> how much for a full $100 set from that kickstarter
10:03 <Avatar> fully painted
10:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> gimme a sec to look at it on my PC
12:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> curiously, how often would you want them done, and would I be able to use a general theme for the similar style models?
12:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd paint the bases different colours to make it easier for GMing
12:58 <Avatar> what do you mean how often
13:02 <Avatar> just the set and never again
13:24 <Avatar> what is a general theme
13:42 <Avatar> you have to talk to me about this like I don't even know what a mini is
14:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no I mean, do you want the set done in a month, 2 months, or a few select models a week, or do you want specific models done by specific times (as in if you require 4 elves and you've only got 2 painted, I'll get the 2 extra done when needed)
14:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, how lazy can I be with the painting XD
14:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> general theme is, if it's an elven archer, I'll paint it in greens and browns, if it's a armoured dwarf, I'll paint it in silver and bronze with a brown beared
15:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like the commonly noted colours for those models
16:29 <Avatar> you can go at a reasonably lazy pace, there's no rush
16:49 <Avatar> if it takes a year I'll be asking questions
17:04 <Avatar> generic colours are fine
17:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then probably $2-5 a model, more for larger models of course
17:20 <Avatar> does that include the paints
18:03 <Avatar> chapter 2 of the guide
18:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm, I'd probably need $20-30 on paints in total (I'll have to look at the models and see what is needed, from the look at it it's mainly greens, and browns, which I've got a bunch already)
18:23 <Avatar> follow it to the letter and nobody will be harmed
18:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, it'll take a year to arrive
18:58 <Mekkis> and that's before the painting starts
19:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it may be a bit more (saw it is as a fuck ton of models). that's fine mekkis, he'll easily have enough money to pay for them when he get's the models then
20:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and wow, $30 for a case, that's pretty good
21:26 <Mekkis> the case quality isn't particularly good
21:36 <Mekkis> and the miniature durability is, however, great.
21:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but yea avatar, if you just want single models here and there, I'll pay for my own paints, I'll only ask for paints in a large batch, such as that many
23:10 <Philderbeast> ok im off guys time to trak mekkis down
25:12 <Mekkis> oh no
28:01 <Mekkis> anyone want a set of basic flipmaps?
28:12 <Avatar> sure
28:29 <Avatar> how come you have spare flipmaps
28:46 <Mekkis> I won it at the con last weekend
28:53 <Avatar> nice
30:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar: what's the TPK ratio of your run sessions?
30:48 <Avatar> 0
30:48 <Mekkis> mine's 0%
31:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, good to hear
31:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> don't want to die again
32:13 <Mekkis> Avatar, what table are you playing the special at?
33:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm surprised he's playing his cleric not his witch or gunslinger
33:57 <Avatar> uh
34:01 <Avatar> 8-9, with Cairo
34:16 <Mekkis> do you want me to GM that tier?
34:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> why not someone you enjoy playing?
34:26 <Avatar> I'm not bothered
34:38 <Avatar> I really need to quickly look at respeccing him though
36:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what table does 5 go to? 4-6 or 5-7?
37:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wow, there are so many healers/healerable characters put down for the special
37:58 <Avatar> 5-6
38:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> woo, team lods of heals
40:05 <Brunius> I think Bairaq can even do healing in a pinch
43:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well 5-6 has a cleric, a life oracle (me), a druid, a paladin, and a medic/support
43:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh, and a fighter
43:40 <Brunius> oh, Unicon-goers, I'm only going for the special
43:42 <Brunius> nocash
43:51 <Brunius> six people
44:40 <Brunius> oh sweet, Ashley isn't GMing the special
49:01 <Avatar> yeah I noticed you backed out of your games
50:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> still not sure if I should play in the module or not
50:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's tempting, but I could easily play in 2 different sessions instead
51:51 <Avatar> I might not be going saturday morning
52:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cbf?
53:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> could join me for glass river rescue, unless you've already played it
54:37 <Avatar> is that the ashley one
54:39 <Avatar> or the full one
55:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ashley...
55:53 <Avatar> pass
56:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
56:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is he a bad GM?
56:51 <Avatar> he has a tendency to screw players
56:59 <Avatar> when he's not screwing them, he's a good GM
57:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wait... is he the ultimate rules guy?
57:06 <Avatar> no, that's ryan
57:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok
57:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is ashley the big guy?
57:50 <Brunius> fairly big
58:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think I played under him at last year conquest
58:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> with a table of ava and 4 rogues
59:08 <Brunius> oh god
59:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> a rogue threw an oil flask in a room, then threw an alchemist fire
59:50 <Avatar> 4 rogues would actually be decent
59:58 <Avatar> they'd constantly help each other flank
59:59 <Brunius> http://imgur.com/KRR957m
00:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> killed the monster, but then we almost burnt the place down
00:43 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure alchemist fire can't burn a place down
01:03 <Brunius> oil probably can though
01:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if we failed because of that, I'd be pissed, but since we didn't (I constantly casted create water to downpour whilst the others got buckets of water) it made for a good story
01:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oil flask + alch fire in a store room of papers and files
02:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I can understand how it could go alight, but not burn down the whole place
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13:23 <ladylydia1020> anyone want to play a pathfinder (not society) one-shot?
20:00 <Yuugi> Are you running it?
20:25 <ladylydia1020> I can if you want. I'd rather be a player though
39:22 <Brunius> He's not signed up for anything on Sat
42:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also bruno, do you require dosh to play the weekend?
42:27 <Brunius> Uh
42:33 <Brunius> Yes, I would
42:39 <Brunius> But I'm not sure I want to play the whole weekend
45:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you know when you'll know?
48:44 <Avatar> run something
49:03 <Brunius> No
49:10 <Brunius> Running stuff IRL for strangers is scary
49:15 <Brunius> Running stuff IRL is scary
49:20 <Brunius> Running stuff for strangers is scary
49:22 <Brunius> RL is scary
49:26 <Brunius> Runningstuff is scary
49:33 <Avatar> face your fears brunius
49:37 <Avatar> face your fears then fear disappears
51:12 <Brunius> you may be right.
51:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> harden up little kid
52:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you'll live
52:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or get brutally raped
52:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> see, not that bad the outcomes
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03:21 <Yuugi> I could run something with pregenerated characters.
03:58 <BrynjarMar> Hey
04:21 <BrynjarMar> is there someone here?
04:41 <Yuugi> Yes.
04:46 <BrynjarMar> ok
05:11 <BrynjarMar> so what is happening?
05:44 <Yuugi> Not much.
06:19 <BrynjarMar> how does this site work?
06:39 <Yuugi> Ask Avatar 
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31:14 <Steven> hey hey
32:43 <Yuugi> yo
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05:55 <Yuugi> Hiya
06:55 <Steven> think im going to try out gw2
07:50 <Yuugi> Have fun~
08:16 <Steven> maybe.  I played the first gw and it was decent.
20:29 <Yuugi> Hi Spaceshot_tm2_ 
25:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey yuugi
25:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sup?
25:57 <Yuugi> Not much, excited about the Club Fair tomorrow
26:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> club fair?
26:09 <Yuugi> Get to sit at the tabletop club group booth
26:13 <Yuugi> At my college
26:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> where are you again?
26:49 <Yuugi> Canada
27:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ahh
27:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> now I vaguely remember
27:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> congrats at being the poster boy for geekism
28:02 <Yuugi> n_n
30:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> question is, do I work on my card game, or do I say "fuck it" as usual?
31:04 <Steven> why not both
31:19 <Steven> do one... then the other
31:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ¿por qué no tener tanto
33:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but that'd be I can do the first initially
34:22 <Steven> .89Mb/s
34:41 <Steven> not quite my highest, but pretty good DL rate none the less
34:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> since you're here steven, what do you think is better for my level 4 life oracle who is gold starved (just died/rezed), playing down one scenario and then playing at tier, or playing a level 4 (3-5) module?
35:18 <Steven> whatever you want....
35:53 <Steven> Life Oracles dont need much in the way of items really
36:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, but I did like my +2 cha headband I had for that one scenario (the one I died in and had to sell to pay for rez costs)
36:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I really want a reach rod
37:24 <Steven> well its not hard to get another +2 headband
37:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it is when I currently have about 100g on me
38:19 <Steven> it wont take long.
39:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know it won't take long, but I'm saying should I try and get more gold per level or should I take the less gold (and PP) for the xp?
39:15 <Steven> and really the phalacary of positive channeling is better headslot.
39:45 <Steven> at least until you can get the +6 headband(if you really need extra cha)
40:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, I like the bonus spells as well as the bonus channeling rather than better channeling
40:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> !item phalacary of positive channeling
40:55 <diebot> Spaceshot_tm2_, PHYLACTERY OF POSITIVE CHANNELING [moderate necromancy] CL:10 headband 11000gp, 0lb
40:56 <diebot> This item allows channelers of positive energy to increase the amount of damage dealt to undead creatures by +2d6. This also increases the amount of damage healed by living creatures. Source: Ultimate Equipment
41:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, it costs quite considerably more than the headband
42:39 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rods/rod-of-splendor
42:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if I were an assimar life oracle who put all their favoured class into channelling rev, then I'd be tempted
42:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> !Item rod of splendor
42:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so much easier
43:21 <Steven> costs 9k more than a +4 item but you wont ever need to purchase nobles finery or look under dressed... anywhere.
43:30 <Yuugi> Spaceshot_tm2_: You don't have to work on it, but you can talk to me about the card game.
43:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
43:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically think RTS in card game form
45:27 <Yuugi> how so?
48:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you start with a HQ (such as town centre in age of empires, or base structure in starcraft/other RTS), you build structures (barracks, power plants, towers, vehicle bays, etc), train units (citizens, rebels, mechs, vehicles, etc) from structures that allow it (such as basic infantry from a barracks, vehicles from a vehicle bay)
48:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yet there are also action cards which can do some fancy stuff (such as air strikes, paradrops) and equipment to buff your units (such as flamethrowers, grenades, battle suits)
49:20 <Yuugi> . . . how many decks does this game use? o.o
49:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and even specialised units called characters which either give benefits to a unit type, or get benifits from unit types
49:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it only uses 1 deck
50:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> each HQ allows you to choose a few cards from your deck to put into your hand
50:46 <Yuugi> So you don't draw randomly?
50:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the Town-Centre allows you to get 1 structure card, 1 unit card, 2 citizen cards (which can be any card with citizen in it's type) and then draw 3 cards (you find the cards first, then shuffle the deck, then find the cards)
51:13 <Yuugi> hm.
52:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> this is your starting hand, you do draw cards randomly, but your HQ can find structures from your deck if you are low on structures (depends on the HQ) and structures can find unit cards instead of gaining resources that turn (if your hand is low for example)
52:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so like an RTS, you always have options available
52:34 <Yuugi> hm.
52:53 <Yuugi> Seems a bit like a clusterfuck, but I guess it works if you've got rules down for it.
53:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the other thing that gives it the RTS feel, is that building structures and training units can take multiple turns to take time (such as a really big tank will take up to 4 turns, whilst your basic infantry will take 1 turn or be free), and each building can only train one unit at a time (so you can't just build 4 massive tanks at once)
54:16 <Yuugi> Oh, well I can say right away that's a horrible idea.
54:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, it can feel clusterfucked, but the rules are a lot better written out in my rules sheet (though not the additional rules I wrote up recently)
54:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which part yuugi?
54:47 <Yuugi> The taking multiple turns, as if you're building stuff on like Evony or Civilization V
54:57 <Yuugi> Or, I guess, even in RTS.
55:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's as if I'm trying to create the feel of an RTS in card game form
55:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
55:36 <Yuugi> It makes more sense in turn-based strategy video game, because each person takes turns I guess, but in a card game it's not going to be so fun.
55:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's to represent the fact that if you want your vehicle bay to make that big fuck off tank, it'll take a while, whilst the guy spamming weak shitstains can easily spam them
55:50 <Yuugi> Especially if you have free units attacking you while you're building a tank
56:05 <Yuugi> Nobody will build tanks after a while, decks will be built entirely around zerg rushing
56:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, but free units won't easily damage a building, at least not by themselves
56:22 <Yuugi> What is the victory condition?
56:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> most buildings have armour, and most free units don't deal enough damage solo to get through them
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56:49 <Yuugi> Is your victory condition to destroy all enemy buildings?
56:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the general victory condition is to destroy the other HQ, like most RTS games
57:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though going straight to the HQ will be harder than taking out the supporting structures to stop the units coming out
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57:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I should really try and program a basic game in OCTGN, or even vassal, but I so can't be fucked
58:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> as in the game in it's basic form in that, I've practically got enough cards written up for a deck or 2
59:13 <Yuugi> See, the idea of zerging is that when the other player is building tanks
59:17 <Yuugi> You rush into the HQ
59:23 <Yuugi> With low-cost/free units
59:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup
59:41 <Yuugi> How exactly will you stop it when the rusher gets like 4 or 5 free turns to destroy HQ?
59:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> since it's like an RTS, there will be many strategies
00:53 <Yuugi> <_<
01:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because the map (the game area) has 4 sections, your back area (where your HQ, and where it's safe to place your structures), your front area (where you'd train most of your unit's into), your enemies front area and their back area
01:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> when you train a unit, you may place it within 1 section (as if it got built and moved to that zone)
02:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so if you want to be super aggressive, place your barracks or whatever you spawn dudes from in your front area and train units directly into their front area
03:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it means that they'll be easily to shoot at, because some units have long ranged weapons (weapons with range 1 or even 2), which means they can attack from a different section (such as artillery, snipers, MG placements)
06:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it sounds clusterfucked, really clusterfucked, but without helpful imagery, most boardgames/card games can sound like that
22:01 <Steven> damn asthma attacks 
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