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06:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> my backstory would work for blackened so well
06:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> firstly it didn't exist back then, and secondly I wanted deaf
06:47 <Steven> but whatever i was given to a convent where she stayed for the next 80 years and was just coming into adulthood so... maybe my parents werent full of shit.
07:06 <Steven> and they trained me in the healing arts
07:42 <Steven> and one day im in the temple prayin to sarenrae when i get a vision and shes like yo travel the world heal people, protect people, do what you can to ease their suffering
07:50 <Steven> oh and punish undead if you find any... cause fuck undead.
07:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, my home town was burned down by raiders, yet sarenrae (avatar, but yea as close as it comes) came down on to me, and said the last words I would ever hear.
08:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then a dwarven caravan came by and took me in as one of them
08:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and gave me my last name "Sunrock"
08:35 <Steven> and i was like sure i'll do it if i can have a hug... sarenrae was like sure... BAM burned.
09:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that sounds like it's meant to be funny
09:15 <Steven> its the condensed version.
09:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
09:29 <Steven> cause i didnt wanna get into the nitty gritty
09:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> steven, do you know much about retraining?
09:57 <Steven> but yeah, i was found with my arms thrust into a burning brazier in the temple
10:23 <Steven> didnt cry out or anything, just pulled my hands from the flames
10:36 <Steven> so... maybe craziness runs in her family.... lol
10:56 <Steven> and i know enough to retrain and watch people retrain.
10:59 <Steven> why whats your question
11:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you know planar oracle archetype?
11:44 <Steven> yes
12:01 <vpsirc> moin
12:06 <Steven> sup sup
12:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well does the requirement to make my level 3 revelation choice a specific one for that archetype count as a change for the sakes of retraining?
13:06 <MekkisScreen> will a dex-based TWF inquisitor be completely ineffective?
13:27 <Steven> i think it would be covered by the archetype retraining but you may want to post about it in the rules forum.
14:15 <Steven> and no mekkis they are like most inquisitors, if you build around it, its good.
14:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I was hoping I didn't have to post about it
14:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> bah
14:31 <Avatar> well well if it isn't mr kill em while they're unconscious
14:36 <MekkisScreen> do you know much about playing inquisitors?
14:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hahaha
14:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> right out with it avatar
14:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nice and subtle, I like it
15:19 <Steven> I have a 13 inquisitor and a 10 inquisitor/gunslinger and a level 2 inqisitor.
15:35 <Steven> thats not avatars style.
15:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> did I forget the /sarcasm thing?
15:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> my bad
16:03 <MekkisScreen> "Demons are evil, really really evil"
16:12 <MekkisScreen> he had a REASON to kill you
16:18 <Avatar> do you realise you killed me in the same way you got Mellon
16:21 <Steven> pffft spaceshot thats not your style.
16:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis, how did the demon not know he was dead from the first hit that made him fall?
17:09 <Avatar> spaceshot it was crystal clear
17:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how is it crystal clear if you're dead or not when you hit he ground?
18:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no one technically knows unless they've got death watch up or make a heal check
18:21 <MekkisScreen> it wasn't
18:31 <MekkisScreen> that's why he was full-attacked while he was unconscious
18:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or have one of those feats/abilities that allow you to stay up whilst neg
18:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> whilst taking multiple AOs to get to him
19:45 <MekkisScreen> plus, Snickers was LAUGHING at him
20:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> technically you can't do anything whilst you're unconcious, you're unconcious
22:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, I know you aren't going to say anything about the wish because that's just the sort of person you are
22:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but glazbru make the wish as destructive as they can with what is asked of them
22:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if someone wanted snickers to become alive, animating his corpse does not fullfil that wish
24:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> casting breath of life on him, that'd be the most destructive way
24:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because most likely it'd fail, either time or health healed
26:07 <MekkisScreen> the wording of the wish was "Don't you wish that Snickers was still with you?"
26:32 <Avatar> snickers wasn't laughing at anyone
26:38 <Brunius> cackle
26:40 <MekkisScreen> yes she was
26:54 <Avatar> seriously man
27:04 <Avatar> is that your justification
27:13 <MekkisScreen> no
27:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis, the player knows what he/she/they were doing more than the GM does
27:44 <MekkisScreen> my justification is because the demon is evil, and would do what would cause the most grief
28:02 <Avatar> that was fine for the first 72hp to -11hp
28:06 <Steven> Alright, so before this becomes a horrible shit storm of epic proportions.
28:12 <Avatar> the rest was cruel
28:30 <Steven> Avatar and mekkis perhaps you should take this to a private chat so the rest of us can butt out of your business.
28:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nah, we already saw the shitstorm yesterday
29:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> many of us expected this to happen
29:38 <Steven> which is why i made that suggestion spaceshot.
29:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> some of us wish to find out the same questions avatar has
29:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so open forum isn't the worst
32:09 <Steven> Alright, lets go at this from a different direction... You should let them talk it out and we should talk about something else.
32:57 <Steven> that way mekkis doesnt feel set upon by more than one person and so he doesnt become defensive which would prevent open communication between them and perhaps a resolution.
33:14 <Steven> so....
33:24 <Steven> did you see the forum post about free actions and the banning of weapon cords?
33:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haven't seen the weapon cords thing
34:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> have seen everyone think "it is safe to assume GMs will limit free actions to 5 if they all different, or 3 if there are any duplicates" to mean "only 5 different free actions a turn, or 3 if they're similar"
34:17 <Steven> I dunno where all the pistoleros are at... but they are not up in eastern washington.
34:33 <Avatar> I can't understand why people think it's so bad
34:39 <Avatar> when it's just the rule
35:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the free action limitation isn't a rule, it's a guideline that has been posted in the FAQ to help less knowledgeable GMs make a decission
35:13 <Steven> i undestand that over on the east coast of the US there are some pretty crazy communities.
35:37 <Steven> and several of them include multiple pistoleros...
35:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that reminds me steven, matt goodall is a complete cunt
35:45 <Steven> heh
36:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he litterally said that we (the other players at the table) were stupid for not building extremely optimised characters
36:21 <Avatar> it's in the core rulebook
36:51 <Steven> well he is entitled to his opinion...
36:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and gave me a weird look when I said I have militant merchant, and the reason for wanting it is for perception as a class skill
37:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and was like "why bother, you're deaf so you wouldn't get half the perception tests so why care about the other half"
37:49 <Steven> I've been told my characters are stupid for having a build in weakness.
38:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup, and when you tell the party they're like that, and constantly undermine the other players
38:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and have a bullshit character
38:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's a dick move
38:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he had a +28 in perception as a level 5 summoner
38:47 <Steven> i doubt he had a bullshit character... probably just optimized.
39:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> +16 in stealth
39:36 <Steven> remember, optimization is like speeding, everyone going slower than you are old women and everyone going faster than you are crazy fucks.
39:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and a eidolon who did more damage with one attack as any other player, and usually got full round attack (3 attacks, has pounce)
40:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm surprised the resolve of the melee characters
40:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, can normal healing heal eidolons?
40:25 <Steven> yes normal healing can heal eidolons.
40:29 <MekkisScreen> of course
40:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, just making sure
40:44 <Steven> summoners just get a 'better' healing spell for eidolons that only works on eidolons.
40:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know that part
40:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> anywho, he was a dick
41:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and would not want to play with or under him again if I had the choice (as in not at a con)
41:37 <Steven> good news is you can always ask to be reseated if you get placed with him again.
42:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> only if there is a suitable table to attend, which there isn't always
43:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but yea, got my metal oracle to level 2 and my life oracle to level 5
45:08 <Steven> love oracles they are so much fun.
45:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> quite so
45:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> still have a couple ideas to make
45:45 <MekkisScreen> do inquisitors need cha?
46:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I believe to some extent
46:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> don't remember what for exactly
46:56 <Steven> they do not need cha.
47:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
47:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> news to me, then again I haven't looked that well at inquis
47:22 <Steven> but its useful for social skills and of coruse UMD
49:44 <Steven> the thing i like most about inquisitors is the stalwart class feature, evasion for fort and will saves.
50:22 <Steven> at level 11, and really, its not hard to get +15-20s in those skills.
50:25 <Steven> i mean saves
53:07 <Steven> wish the games had ended earlier tonight, im tired as fuck and i know if i go to sleep im gonna feel like shit when i have to wake up and go watch the baby
53:21 <MekkisScreen> I'm looking at Ximen, inquisitor of Ackaekek, stats 12/17/14/10/15/9, feats TWF and weapon finesse
53:22 <Steven> didnt get out of the store until 1am
53:26 <MekkisScreen> does that seem reasonably?
53:31 <MekkisScreen> reasonable*
54:08 <Steven> the biggest limiting factor for TWF inquisitor is the feats, so what feats do you have?
54:29 <MekkisScreen> TWF and weapon finesse at first level
54:45 <Steven> okay but i mean later on
55:30 <Steven> are you going to be able to get to imp twf and what not at higher level?
55:30 <MekkisScreen> I haven't planned anything. I haven't really played a melee character in Pathfinder before
55:34 <MekkisScreen> except Grolschmir
55:53 <Steven> or are you going to be too feat taxed and end up stagnating?
56:00 <MekkisScreen> the 17 dex should be enough to get it
56:09 <MekkisScreen> what feats Should I look at getting
56:22 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking weapon focus, obviously
56:35 <MekkisScreen> Double Bane maybe
57:09 <MekkisScreen> suggestions?
57:44 <Steven> sorry had connection problems
57:48 <MekkisScreen> is weapon finesse even a good idea?
58:16 <Steven> sorry connection issue
58:20 <MekkisScreen> what did you miss?
58:32 <Steven> what was the last thing i said?
58:37 <MekkisScreen> 06:57 < Steven> sorry had connection problems
58:40 <MekkisScreen> 06:55 < Steven> or are you going to be too feat taxed and end up stagnating?
58:57 <Steven> okay cool
59:00 <Steven> didnt miss much then.
59:08 <MekkisScreen> 06:56 < MekkisScreen> the 17 dex should be enough to get it
59:08 <MekkisScreen> 06:56 < MekkisScreen> what feats Should I look at getting
59:08 <MekkisScreen> 06:56 < MekkisScreen> I'm thinking weapon focus, obviously
59:08 <MekkisScreen> 06:56 < MekkisScreen> Double Bane maybe
59:08 <MekkisScreen> 06:57 < MekkisScreen> suggestions?
59:13 <MekkisScreen> 06:57 < MekkisScreen> is weapon finesse even a good idea?
00:00 <Steven> well weapon finesse lets you use dex instead of str to determine if you hit... so yes a good idea.
00:12 <Avatar> Bloodlust
00:16 <Bloodlust> hey hey
00:22 <Avatar> sutekh had some words about you yesterday !
00:27 <Avatar> you two just keep missing each other
00:32 <Bloodlust> lol
00:36 <Bloodlust> all lovely words I
00:38 <Bloodlust> m sure
00:41 <Avatar> he didn't have anything to say really
00:45 <Avatar> before his time, apparently
00:51 <Bloodlust> okay
01:04 <Bloodlust> checking up on me, eh?
01:15 <Avatar> it's all good
01:15 <Steven> so at first weapon finesse and twf, third level piranha strike?
01:31 <MekkisScreen> !feat piranha strike
01:36 <diebot> MekkisScreen, KIRIN STRIKE [Combat] You have read the texts of the perfect way, and know how identify to your enemies' weak spot.  Prerequisites: Int 13, Kirin Style, Improved Unarmed Strike, Knowledge (arcana) 9 ranks, Knowledge (dungeoneering, local, nature, planes, or religion) 3 ranks. Benefit: You gain a +2 insight bonus on Knowledge checks
01:36 <diebot> made to identify creatures, including the one Kirin Style allows. While using Kirin Style against a creature you have identified using that feat, as a swift action after you have hit a creature with a melee or ranged attack, you can add twice your Intelligence modifier in damage (minimum 2). 
01:37 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
01:50 <Steven> its like power attack for dex.
02:16 <MekkisScreen> seems good
02:44 <Bloodlust> Well, I've got Godsmouth all set up and ready to go
03:02 <Steven> at level 9 you could qualify for imp twf.
03:10 <Steven> so you need feats at 5 and 7.
03:28 <Steven> double bane at either of those... 
03:48 <MekkisScreen> seems workable
03:58 <Steven> I've seen worse builds by a long shot.
04:20 <MekkisScreen> I'm feeling better about the idea now, thanks Steven 
04:45 <Steven> you get some pretty cool buff spells too for being an inquisitor.
05:01 <Bloodlust> Inquisitor is a great class
05:08 <MekkisScreen> I want to use my red mantis assassin minis
05:28 <MekkisScreen> hence the Inquisitor of Ackaekek
06:10 <Steven> like flames of the faithful...
06:21 <Steven> gives weapon the flaming quality
06:36 <Steven> unless you have a judgement going... then you get flaming burst weapon quality.
06:43 <Bloodlust> I use that on my keen katana
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07:09 <Bloodlust> along with Brow Gasher
07:30 <Steven> my inquisitor made great use of Blistering Invective.
07:54 <Bloodlust> my intimidate sucks lol
08:40 <Steven> because its exactly like the dazzling display only it doesnt take multiple feats, deals fire damage, and can set people on fire.
08:48 <Mekkis> !spell Blistering Invective
08:54 <diebot> Mekkis, BLISTERING INVECTIVE evocation ([fire, language-dependant]) alchemist 2, bard 2, inquisitor 2 1 standard action Range: personal  Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Reflex partial, see text SR:special, see belowSource: Ultimate Combat
08:54 <diebot> You unleash an insulting tirade so vicious and spiteful that enemies who hear it are physically scorched by your fury. When you cast this spell, make an Intimidate check to demoralize each enemy within 30 feet of you (see page 99 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook). Enemies that are demoralized this way take 1d10 points of fire damage and must
08:54 <diebot> succeed at a Reflex save or catch fire. Spell resistance can negate the fire damage caused by this spell, but does not protect the creature from the demoralizing effect.
10:45 <Bloodlust> I'm still really torn on what Patron to take for my witch
12:00 <Bloodlust> Seriously considering Elements
12:17 <Bloodlust> So I can do a bit of damage output.
14:25 <Avatar> time or deception
14:29 <Avatar> forget damage output 
14:34 <Avatar> if you want to do damage, roll a wizard
15:09 <Bloodlust> just feel a bit limited as a witch
15:13 <Bloodlust> once I've done slumber
15:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> slumber witch...
15:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> here we go
15:33 <Bloodlust> and at higher levels when most thinks are immune to sleep, you can't do much
15:52 <Avatar> if slumber ever doesn't work, you use misfortune
15:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's why you have the frost cage
16:03 <Brunius> ice tomb
16:10 <Avatar> it is repetitive, I won't lie
16:12 <Bloodlust> well I took accursed hex for my first level feat
16:20 <Avatar> but it's good lightweight fun if you can tolerate it
16:38 <Bloodlust> so at least if I fail I can try again the next round - looks like it doesn't matter what hex that is either
16:51 <Avatar> and if you don't get a GM who will move over and full attack you without any hope of escape and hitting you while you're on the ground
17:00 <Bloodlust> yeah, that's why I wanted to try a bit of diversity
17:02 <Avatar> and animating your corpse to an undead
17:13 <Steven> yes... never laugh at a glazboru
17:17 <Steven> or however they are spelled.
17:32 <Avatar> basically never even get close enough to use a hex or you are dead
17:57 <Avatar> your party members won't be able to save you
18:16 <Bloodlust> I was tossing up with Trickery for a patron
18:21 <Bloodlust> mirror image looks good
18:37 <Avatar> yeah trickery does look good
19:21 <Bloodlust> I also kind of liked Wisdom
19:28 <Bloodlust> against spell casters
19:48 <Bloodlust> but then someone pointed out a nasty as hell second level spell and now casters don't worry me so much :)
20:06 <Steven> was it lip stitch?
20:14 <Avatar> have you had a look at the patrons in UM
20:18 <Bloodlust> yup
20:21 <Avatar> you are naming a bunch of patrons in APG only
22:16 <Mekkis> Avatar, it was actually Power Word Stun, followed by full-attack (he wasn't managing to hit the rest of the party on anything less than a 19, so misfortune hurt him ALOT - he was stuck with 3 rounds where he couldn't do anything meaningful)...
22:22 <Bloodlust> Perhaps I should just take Time
31:15 <Avatar> that's fine for explaining the first set of hits
31:18 <Steven> damn it... my internet is just bein an asshole today.
31:29 <Avatar> not the hit her while she's unconscious or the bullshit wish to animate dead
31:43 <Mekkis> it says it in the description
31:57 <Avatar> is it in the tactics
32:14 <Mekkis> given that there are no tactics, no
33:08 <Avatar> there comes a point where you must realise the player can't be having fun through this
33:16 <Mekkis> if it's any consolation, Avatar, I don't particularly agree on how the special was structured.
33:32 <Avatar> that's not a consolation man
33:41 <Avatar> I was having fun in it right up until that happened
34:06 <Bloodlust> what one was this?
34:21 <Avatar> if you have to choose between keeping the game realistic or keeping it fun, you need to aim towards keeping it fun
34:30 <Avatar> you can't say you didn't have any other option
34:41 <Avatar> Bloodlust: the season 5 special
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35:10 <Bloodlust> What tier were you playing at?  This was at the con I'm guessing?
35:28 <Brunius|M> 10-11
35:54 <Brunius|M> Shit was cray
35:57 <Bloodlust> was it a TPK?
36:12 <Avatar> that encounter wasn't, but that's not what we're talking about
36:16 <Bloodlust> Glad I didn't go now
36:36 <Avatar> it was just a very questionable set of tactics that wasn't in the book
37:00 <Bloodlust> Then you can't use them - Mr Brock's been very clear on that in the past
37:12 <Avatar> there weren't any tactics in the book
37:12 <Bloodlust> Tactics used as written, no deviation
37:16 <Avatar> so the GM can do what they like
37:25 <Brunius|M> No tactics in the book
37:30 <Bloodlust> ahh
37:42 <Philderbeast> only question i have is do the tactics used fit the creature using them
37:42 <Bloodlust> Then I guess it's a poorly written special
37:45 <Brunius|M> "Here's the monster, go crazy"
37:57 <Avatar> yeah they fit the creature perfectly
38:11 <Steven> Let me jump in here for a moment, at paizocon and gencon both we were told to run the monsters how ever we thought they would use their tactics.
38:13 <Philderbeast> if they fit the creature, and noting you where playing at 10-11.... 
38:48 <Avatar> I've got a problem with hitting players when they're on the ground when there's other options
38:55 <Bloodlust> highly intelligent monster?
39:02 <Avatar> it was a glabrezu
39:12 <Philderbeast> its an RPG.... if the GM was role playing the monster and it fit....
39:45 <Avatar> if the players aren't having fun in the game, something is wrong
40:01 <Bloodlust> Basic primal nature that extends to all intelligence levels above it - when outnumbered and threatened, put down and move onto the next one.  An attack on a downed opponent is an attack not applied to an immediate threat.
40:20 <Steven> I know in the next tier up there are mention of a group of glabrezu that uses the kill someone animate dead wish.
41:05 <Avatar> this happened over 3 rounds
41:16 <Bloodlust> Well, I think that risks have to be real, especially at that tier and above
41:17 <Avatar> from full health to negative hp
41:24 <Avatar> then a party member did a CLW
41:33 <Avatar> still unconscious, negative hp to death
41:40 <Avatar> then death to being animated through wish
41:57 <Bloodlust> I don't see the purpose of that.
42:22 <Avatar> that requires a 32 prestige resurrection, which I don't have
42:38 <Bloodlust> Were I a glabrezu and being attacked by 4-6 heavily tooled Pathfinders...
43:03 <Avatar> it makes perfect sense for glabrezus to be that cruel, by the book
43:10 <Bloodlust> I would do my best to put down each one as quickly as possible, focussing on casters first - especially anyone who was an obvious cleric
43:29 <Bloodlust> cruelty has nothing to do with it - they are not "stupid"
43:30 <Philderbeast> avatar... if it makes sence why are you still telling us it should not be done....
43:57 <Bloodlust> wasting moves on threats that are neutralised is not good action economy
44:32 <Avatar> because it doesn't make sense that when the GM knows that the player is going to have issues with being killed while unconscious, and to add insult to injury by changing a raise dead to a resurrection
44:33 <Bloodlust> The problem you also have with no tactics and intelligent monsters is that the GM KNOWS what your party consists of and its weaknesses.  The monster does NOT.
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45:22 <Steven> i am kinda gettin pissed at my internet now.
45:28 <Steven> keeps droppin in and out
45:30 <Bloodlust> I can totally see a glabrezu killing off the whole lot of you, raping your corpses and then animating them to rape each other
45:46 <Bloodlust> When it is OUT of danger
45:47 <Steven> whoa.... thats a lot of rape man.
46:08 <Bloodlust> There can never be enough rape - Japan has conclusively proven this ;)
46:13 <Avatar> wish only works for a glabrezu when it grants someone else a wish, then it twists it 
46:26 <Philderbeast> ok i just had to look up a Glabrezu (i havent played high level anything
46:55 <Philderbeast> noting that wist is written as granted to a mortal humanoid only im not sure why the Gm would have used that
47:30 <Avatar> he asked one of our party members something like do you want Snickers revived
47:34 <Bloodlust> Out of interest - did you kill the beast in the end?
47:36 <Avatar> and he gleefully said yes of course
47:43 <Avatar> the other 3 killed it
47:46 <Philderbeast> ahhh
48:02 <Avatar> and it's telepathic so nobody got to chime in and say hey don't do that
48:04 <Bloodlust> was it a close battle?
48:11 <Philderbeast> so in that case it dose fit the description :( poor descion on the players behalf to say yes then
48:29 <Avatar> dunno, brunius would know
48:44 <Avatar> one guy was saying the misfortune I did saved their life, so I assume so
49:01 <Brunius|M> The gle-thing, yeah
49:08 <Avatar> it had mirror image up and noboy could hit it, so I did the misfortune to buy them some time
49:09 <Brunius|M> But we got eaten later
49:18 <Steven> so... did you not get raised avatar?
49:28 <Avatar> 23 prestige steven
49:35 <Avatar> it requires a resurrection, 32 prestige
49:42 <Avatar> I have to re-audit to see if I can scrounge up the cash
49:44 <Philderbeast> couldnt use the gold?
50:26 <Bloodlust> "Revive"?  What definition of "revive" was used to justify "animate dead"?
50:32 <Brunius|M> Isn't it like 10k, and you got 7.5k from the scenario?
50:36 <Avatar> I don't know what the exact wording was
50:51 <Avatar> yeah I didn't have much left 
51:01 <Philderbeast> "A wish granted by a glabrezu always fulfills the wisher's need in the most destructive way possible"
51:13 <Bloodlust> yes indeed
51:14 <Steven> Resurrection  10,910 gp
51:14 <Ulzef2> he put it on a card right?
51:17 <Philderbeast> i would say animate dead fits that
51:20 <Avatar> yeah
51:22 <Bloodlust> but it must be able to be twisted
51:30 <Bloodlust> not changed
51:46 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure he could find some decent wording to fit
51:49 <Ulzef2> from what he said the wording was don't you wish snickers wasn't dead
52:14 <Bloodlust> again, doesn't justify animate dead
52:19 <Steven> you get 7500 and some change form the scenario and the fact your misfortune 'saved' the lives of your compatriots with your misfortune and they didnt decide to chip in 2k each.... 
52:42 <Avatar> they did, I said I'd work it out
52:49 <Ulzef2> it was atpk by the end though
52:54 <Bloodlust> Sorry, speaking as an English teacher with a post-grad qualification in English language - that doesn't work.
53:15 <Ulzef2> pretty sure undead is not dead
53:27 <Bloodlust> "snickers wasn't dead" - animate DEAD.  Snickers is still DEAD.  the fact he is moving is irrelevant
53:40 <Avatar> undead isn't considered dead
53:49 <Bloodlust> disagree
53:55 <Bloodlust> two states - alive/dead
54:20 <Avatar> so how do you rate "I killed the skeleton"
54:21 <Bloodlust> the spell name says it all - Animate DEAD
54:24 <Mekkis> the text I wrote on the card I passed to Phillipe was: 'You receive a telepathic message: "Don't you wish that Snickers was still with you?"'
54:24 <Philderbeast> and in pathfinder undead....
54:42 <Bloodlust> bingo - you're boned
54:54 <Philderbeast> ouch.... thats mean....
54:56 <Bloodlust> hmm
54:56 <Mekkis> he still has the card, you're free to ask to look at it.
55:18 <Philderbeast> yet totally fitting
55:22 <Avatar> I don't care about wording, tricking us into that kind of thing would have been easy
56:01 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
56:01 <Bloodlust> I guess then you coudol only argue, what  IS "Snickers"?  Is it the lump of flesh that walks about or is "snickers" the soul, personality and consciousness that inhabits the body
56:30 <Avatar> it's wish, the spell is designed to be twisted loosely
56:30 <Bloodlust> much better use than using the word DEAD though
56:37 <Mekkis> she was raised as an intelligent undead, complete with soul, personality and consciousness
56:47 <Avatar> it doesn't have to have perfect wording
56:53 <Bloodlust> but under its control right?
56:58 <Avatar> it just has to have intent
57:01 <Bloodlust> It's not about perfect wording
57:14 <Bloodlust> we used to play "Wish games" when we were still teens
57:27 <Bloodlust> We became so incredibly careful with what we'd wish for
57:30 <Philderbeast> its just a chame it ended in a TPK
57:41 <Mekkis> that wasn't what caused the TPK
57:50 <Philderbeast> player deaths suck... TPK.. thats just nasty
58:01 <Bloodlust> They are common as bat shit here
58:05 <Mekkis> the TPK was caused directly because Ashley wanted to go after the epic target, with one character down.
58:24 <Avatar> yeah that was silly
58:27 <Bloodlust> how many in the team?
58:29 <Philderbeast> ahhh... see I would not feel bad if i was GMing that either
58:31 <Avatar> and brunius was all sure why not !
59:03 <Avatar> it did feel hard to say "if we don't want to fight it, what happens?"
59:16 <Brunius|M> Well we're already one character down
59:22 <Avatar> it was like eventually we probably have to go kill it
59:24 <Brunius|M> What's the worst that could happen
59:27 <Steven> why didnt they just go get your raised avatar?
59:42 <Avatar> we definitely couldn't afford it during the special
59:50 <Bloodlust> Best wish twist I saw was, "I want you to raise my strength".  "Raize, as in burn to the ground with nothing left?  Certainly mortal"...B0000M
00:11 <Steven> between 4-5 people you didnt have 6k gold?
00:26 <Avatar> we were pretty drained of resources
00:30 <Brunius|M> He was brought back as a vampire
00:31 <Avatar> ashley had already died once
00:36 <Steven> damn... gotta get that buffer lol
00:47 <Brunius|M> So the normal raise wouldn't have worked
00:48 <Avatar> it's not 6k gold
00:52 <Avatar> it's resurrection
00:57 <Avatar> you can't use raise dead
01:05 <Bloodlust> and here was me thinking of blowing 30 prestige on an extra 10HP - maybe not now
01:17 <Steven> so 10k gold lol
01:29 <Avatar> yeah it was a 4 person table
01:35 <Mekkis> !find snickers
01:45 <Bloodlust> oh damn, so with 25% down you went on - not cool
01:51 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=261
01:52 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=341
01:52 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=559
02:06 <Bloodlust> What was Snickers?
02:34 <Avatar> that was me
02:54 <Bloodlust> what was he I mean?
03:01 <Avatar> a witch
03:04 <Mekkis> she was a witch
03:06 <Avatar> misfortune, man
03:24 <Bloodlust> oracles have misfortune also
03:31 <Bloodlust> again with the witch hate
08:06 <Bloodlust> I'm trying to work out how you got those stats
08:21 <Bloodlust> 20, 14, 14, 14,11 with only 7 as a negative
08:43 <Avatar> you're looking at the wrong sheet
08:45 <Avatar> it's the middle link
09:00 <Avatar> the first one was for a non-PFS campaign, probably rolled stats
09:02 <Bloodlust> I was about to say - that's a 25 point build lol
09:32 <Avatar> that one is really out of date, from january
09:49 <Avatar> we ran into a TPK the day before, so I had 16 prestige less from that
09:56 <Brunius|M> I just remembered how Mellon died
10:02 <Mekkis> how did you manage that?
10:08 <Brunius|M> Bairaq was there, too
10:21 <Avatar> elven entanglement
10:27 <Mekkis> as I heard on the grapevine, snickers did a really dumb move
10:27 <Bloodlust> I'm surprised to wisdom dumped
10:41 <Avatar> yeah
10:53 <Bloodlust> I thought charisma was the dumping ground apart from strength but then I started reading up on familiars using wands with you UMD
12:03 <Avatar> I just added cha on the character for flavour
12:19 <Avatar> my witch wasn't the type with warts
13:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wasn't your witch green though?
14:16 <Avatar> yeah
14:25 <Avatar> still looked good
14:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hehe
14:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sorry to hear about snickers
14:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I remember back in the wee times when we were all ruby tournying
17:43 <Mekkis> Steven, how is your government treating you?
21:19 <Steven> same as it always has?
21:29 <Mekkis> I thought it was furloughed
21:32 <Mekkis> or something
22:31 <Steven> yeah, its on shut down cause the idiots in washington dc cant make a budget.
23:46 <Mekkis> we had something like that too
24:14 <Mekkis> back in 1975.
24:30 <Steven> yeah its not the first time this has happened
26:23 <Mekkis> we resolved it in about 5 days
28:32 <Mekkis> you should use your gun to fix the issue
29:51 <Steven> which one?
29:59 <Mekkis> your choice
30:12 <Mekkis> start with the house speaker
30:31 <Steven> nah, hes a nice guy
30:53 <Mekkis> but he's not doing his job
32:35 <Mekkis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis
36:42 <Steven> lets save that for plan Y
36:54 <Steven> right now im gonna go with plan A... sleep on it.
43:48 <Bloodlust> I remember seeing the video of Whitlam walking out and saying to the press, "God save the Queen, because NOTHING will save the Governor-General".
48:05 <Bloodlust> does slumber break invisibility?
48:26 <Bloodlust> description says spells but doesn't mention hexes
49:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> description says attacks
49:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is slumber considered an attack?
49:30 <Bloodlust> Causing harm indirectly is not an attack
49:44 <Bloodlust> Slumber does not "harm" the recipient
49:52 <Bloodlust> Just wondering if it's been FAQ'd
49:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, but does an offensive hex count as an attack?
51:07 <Bloodlust> it's an interesting one - you can summon a creature to attack and that dos not break it
51:16 <Bloodlust> *does
51:17 <Ulzef2> if it does damage or has a attack i would say yeah
51:39 <Ulzef2> but i will catch you all later
51:45 <Bloodlust> slumber does not damage
51:55 <Bloodlust> there is no "attack" roll
52:08 <Bloodlust> much like misforntune
52:12 <Bloodlust> *misfortune
52:22 <Ulzef2> then i would say no i mean if you can summon and have summons kick the shite out of people slumber should be fine
54:33 <Bloodlust> anyone know if it has been clarified?
56:26 <Mekkis> Invisibility is a really weird spell
56:51 <Bloodlust> That's what I'm starting to notice
57:02 <Mekkis> but I would rule that an offensive hex would break it
57:25 <Mekkis> fly, or fortune would not
57:27 <Bloodlust> so we just summon monsters right on top of them and stay hidden?
57:37 <Mekkis> sure, if you want
57:51 <Bloodlust> I'd say that is more against the flavour and that's allowed
58:08 <Mekkis> !spell invisibility
58:09 <diebot> Mekkis, INVISIBILITY illusion (glamer[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, alchemist 2, summoner 2, inquisitor 2, antipaladin 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: personal or touch you or a creature or object weighing no more than 100 lbs./level Comp: V, S, M/DF (an eyelash encased in gum arabic) Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) or
58:09 <diebot> Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless) or yes (harmless, object)Source: PFRPG Core
58:09 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/invisibility.html
58:10 <Bloodlust> Then again, if we are looking at hexes as "kinda like spells" then it makes sense
59:13 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if you'll find many GMs who will rule otherwise
59:28 <Mekkis> feel free to ask in the rules forum
59:43 <Bloodlust> I'm sure it's probably been FAQd before
59:51 <Bloodlust> I could see it going either way though
00:04 <Bloodlust> as in, I can see both arguments and both are valid
00:49 <Mekkis>  For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe.
01:05 <Mekkis> I would say that a hex would be close enough
01:51 <Bloodlust> I tend to agree but it is not totally clear and an argument could be made for the other interpretation so I wanted to ask and check it out.
02:35 <Bloodlust> OOh, cackle debate is interesting for invisibility
54:55 <Bloodlust> Just found an interesting spell
55:04 <Bloodlust> !spell symbol of mirroring
55:04 <diebot> Bloodlust, SYMBOL OF MIRRORING illusion (figment[]) sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2 10 minutes Range: 0 ft.; see text  Comp: V, S, M (mercury and phosphorous, plus powdered diamond and opal worth a total of 100 gp) Duration: see text Save: Will partial (harmless) SR:yesSource: Ultimate Magic
55:05 <diebot> This spell functions as symbol of death, except it instead creates one illusory duplicate of each creature within 60 feet of the symbol. These duplicates function as mirror image, moving with the original creatures and mimicking their movements, sounds, and actions exactly. If an illusory double is destroyed, a new one appears on the creature's
55:05 <diebot> turn. The images last for as long as a creature remains within 60 feet of the symbol, and for 1 round/level thereafter. Once triggered, the symbol remains active for 10 minutes per caster level. Symbol of mirroring can be made permanent with a permanency spell by a caster of 10th level or higher for the cost of 5,000 gp.
55:21 <Bloodlust> Looks like a great buff for the whole party
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