// #d&d — 2013-10-15
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00:00:02 <Gamera> maybe
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07:49:57 <Yuugi> Yay, this weekend and last weekend I'm running a Basic D&D game :D
07:50:08 <Yuugi> And next weekend I'm running an OSRIC game! <3
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09:31:11 <Steven> some asshole came to the game day sick last night
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10:44:58 <s711> Hi.
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12:49:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so what's up?
12:52:47 <CWheezy> two players in my home game today got kissed by a vargouilles
12:52:57 <CWheezy> they also don't know what the kiss is going to do to them
12:54:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not everyone knows what a vargouille is
12:54:47 <CWheezy> it is true, they are pretty rare
12:54:54 <CWheezy> I encountered them in pfs, so I do
12:55:00 <CWheezy> and hoo boy
12:56:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've read the 3.0 and 3.5 MM about 3-4 times each back to back
12:56:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though this was years ago, but it is why I have so much monster knowledge
12:56:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> at least common monster knowledge
13:00:34 <Steven> yeah vargouilles are pretty sweet
13:01:00 <Steven> my polearm fighter murdered the shit out of 4 of them
13:01:08 <Steven> before they got to do anything
13:01:39 <Steven> then i ran the scenario and just destroyed a party... i actually felt bad.
13:01:58 <Steven> they ran after 5 rounds
13:04:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the way to deal with them is to blast the crap out of them
13:04:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and stay clear
13:18:14 <Steven> reach+lunge is pretty good way to kill a varg
13:18:28 <Steven> 15ft away stab and then kill em as they approach
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15:16:17 <Ulzef> why do people suck
15:16:20 <Ulzef> and hello
15:16:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because they don't blow
15:16:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and hello to you too
15:17:35 <Ulzef> hey spaceshot you live in melb can you do me a favor?
15:20:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> depends, I am only one man
15:20:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but shoot
15:21:21 <Ulzef> find ashley and stab out his eye with a spoon
15:21:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh? why so
15:21:59 <Ulzef> the better question is why not
15:22:11 <Steven> assault?
15:23:09 <Ulzef> he is a argumentative unapologetic conceded bell end
15:23:44 <CWheezy> bell end?
15:24:04 <Ulzef> and if i could right now i would cheese grate his face and dunk it in vinegar
15:24:08 <Ulzef> knob
15:24:09 <CWheezy> ah, thank you urban dictionary
15:24:35 <Ulzef> rant over
15:24:51 <Steven> why whats wrong ulzef
15:25:03 <Ulzef> got home checked my emails and needed a rant
15:25:13 <Ulzef> the ongoing waking rune issue he replyed
15:25:45 <Ulzef> his response was pretty much suck it up you are all stared gm's us one of your replays to play it under someone else
15:25:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I'm practically at frankston, so I'm basically as far out as you
15:27:19 <CWheezy> isn't that generally the response
15:27:31 <CWheezy> if the gm bones an encounter and kills someone that character is dead
15:27:40 <CWheezy> because chronicles are final or something
15:27:58 <Steven> depends on the GM.
15:28:05 <Ulzef> you can appeal them which is what we are doing the adventure was completely miss run
15:28:44 <Steven> I was shown how i messed up an adventure after a TPK.
15:28:47 <CWheezy> what happened
15:29:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, if TPK is made because of a fuckup
15:29:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> TPK is generally revoked
15:29:30 <Steven> not realy spaceshot, a lot of GMs just shrug and say things happen.
15:29:56 <CWheezy> agree
15:30:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is difference of the range of a spell being 6 squares instead of 7-9, and having a monster have +50% or more HP because you were hard modeing it
15:30:44 <Ulzef> i know if i was gming and it happened i would re cert if it was my bad
15:32:23 <CWheezy> was waking rune played on hard mode
15:32:40 <Ulzef> pretty much and then some when we said no
15:32:53 <CWheezy> oh he ran it hard mode anyway
15:33:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> from what I've heard, he harde mode it, and cheated with wish
15:33:03 <CWheezy> that's bad, hard mode is extremely difficult
15:33:10 <CWheezy> lol cheated?
15:33:15 <CWheezy> regular wish not good enough
15:33:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> planeshifted or whatever with limited wish and didn't do the attack roll
15:33:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just the save
15:33:52 <CWheezy> oh the first encounter?
15:34:06 <CWheezy> regular wish is an aoe planeshift with just save, no attack
15:34:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> limited wish*
15:34:33 <CWheezy> I looked at her statblock and I couldn't find where that was
15:35:05 <CWheezy> aha found it now
15:35:26 <Ulzef> yeah we reconned that after the break and now he is useing that as a excuse not to change anything else
15:35:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what else happened?
15:35:42 <Steven> heh
15:35:53 <Ulzef> heaps dont wanna do spoilers
15:35:59 <Steven> hey guys i fixed the first time i fucked up... now lets continue with the game where i shall continue fucking up.
15:36:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and just because you fuck up once but are nice enough to take it back, doesn't mean you don't take back other fuckups
15:36:08 * Steven points at the #spoilers room
15:36:49 <Steven> yeah we have a spoilers room for spoilering games.
15:39:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> steven: my 1-3tix deck just beat a 200+tix deck
15:39:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I feel good
15:39:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> gotta love red deck wins
15:39:46 <Brunius> hahahaha
15:40:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> who needs rares?
15:40:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though I am playing 3, yet I might just take them out
15:40:42 <Steven> yeah rdw gets some luck in sometimes.
15:40:49 <Steven> all about that top deck
15:41:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's why magma jet helps
15:41:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> gotta love scry 2
15:41:12 <Steven> fo sho!
15:42:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also young pyromancer and foundry street denizen is a nice combo
15:42:49 <Steven> can do some work
15:48:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though I really wish red stil had browbeat
15:48:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or something to effectively draw cards
16:00:30 <Steven> isnt there a spell in m14 that is discard a card draw two cards
16:03:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe?
16:04:37 <Steven> i mean its a terrible card really... spend 2 cards to get 2 cards
16:05:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mm there is
16:05:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but yea, I'd prefer to play dragon mantle over it
16:06:24 <Ulzef> cya
16:07:54 <Mekkis> moin
16:09:32 <Avatar> yo
16:09:42 <Avatar> does stephen actually know anything about our waking rune dilemma
16:09:58 <Mekkis> he knows something
16:10:07 <Mekkis> I was deliberately vague
16:10:40 <Avatar> well now it seems they're being deliberately vague
16:10:59 <Mekkis> I'll forward you the correspondance
16:11:17 <Mekkis> Forwarded. It might be in your spam
16:11:31 <Avatar> dodgy reputation?
16:11:40 <Mekkis> no idea. Gmail seems to hate me
16:11:49 <Avatar> ha yeah there it is, in spam
16:12:23 <Mekkis> if you could kindly mark it as not spam, it might improve my reputation
16:13:44 <Avatar> yeah done
16:13:50 <Avatar> heard anything after that?
16:14:21 <Mekkis> John sent his email after that
16:14:55 <Avatar> and ashley confirmed again that he's not moving on it
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16:41:12 <Mekkis> I have a scathing response, but I'm not sure if I should send it to him
16:43:11 <Avatar> send it to me
16:43:17 <Avatar> I like scathing responses
16:43:58 <Mekkis> enjoy
16:44:26 <Mekkis> I might send it at the end of the week...
16:45:24 <Avatar> yeah don't
16:45:35 <Avatar> that is a bad blood email that will win you no favours from either ashley or john
16:45:57 <Avatar> ashley isn't being objective and john is more interested in wrapping it up and cutting losses
16:45:59 <Brunius> Now I'm curious
16:46:18 <Avatar> it could be handy for andrei or stephen
16:46:28 <Avatar> except that they dont' want to see the spoilers
16:46:34 <Avatar> it might be better for mike
16:48:51 <Mekkis> you think we should get Brock into this?
16:49:09 <Avatar> absolutely if we can't get an answer from the others
16:49:18 <Avatar> your email says it all really
16:49:30 <Mekkis> no, I just realised another thing I missed
16:49:42 <Avatar> steven's already confirmed that that much is enough
16:50:08 <Mekkis> 32 on a knowledge check being insufficient to identify the first enemy
16:50:53 <Mekkis> feel free to notify him then
16:50:56 <Avatar> was it unique
16:51:13 <Avatar> well I would, but is stephen still thinking about it
16:51:25 <Mekkis> Darkwhite?
16:51:30 <Avatar> yeah
16:52:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> steven: any luck with WotC?
16:53:11 <Mekkis> it might be "very rare", but it's not CR18+
16:53:56 <Avatar> there was a thread about how knowledge checks work in the forums recently and there was some debate about it
16:54:11 <Avatar> it's not unforeseeable that any GM might have ruled it differently to another
16:54:24 <Avatar> I guess it adds some weight, but it's no dealbreaker
16:54:27 <Mekkis> the rules state that the DC is 15+CR for rare creatures
16:54:40 <Mekkis> (this is a CHANGE from 3.5e, where it was 15+HD)
16:54:48 <Avatar> was it unique/
16:54:56 <Avatar> I don't know what it was
16:55:12 <Mekkis> possibly
16:57:17 <Mekkis> oh, and reading the tactics, there was another mistake.
16:58:40 <Avatar> the ones mentioned in that email should honestly be enough
16:58:42 <Avatar> they are big errors
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17:14:32 <Steven> yes it is unique
17:14:47 <Steven> It is the herald of Lissala
17:14:51 <Mekkis> it seems that if any of those mistakes weren't made, the outcome would have been different
17:15:04 <Mekkis> Steven, what would you say the knowledge DC to work out its type would be?
17:15:23 <Steven> and no space, i am sick so i didnt feel up to dealing with people sorry man.
17:16:23 <Mekkis> Brunius, I managed to drive a T28 prototype a whopping 1.13km!
17:17:15 <Steven> i dunno mekkis, probably 15+CR at minimum
17:17:18 <Brunius> uh
17:19:26 <Steven> so would be a DC28 i think.
17:19:43 <Steven> i think shes only cr13
17:20:10 <Avatar> he would've said you have no idea what it is based on it being unique
17:20:32 <Steven> well sarenrae's herald is unique, but you can identify it.
17:20:44 <Avatar> yeah but those little beotches are only 1 prestige
17:21:01 <Avatar> any tom dick and harry can identify a herald
17:21:55 <Steven> yeah, but of a supposedly dead goddess that has had no presence on the scene until this year?
17:22:16 <Steven> hence the DC 28 to even identify its a herald of lissala
17:22:49 <Avatar> a herald is a herald
17:23:41 <Steven> so what is torags herald?
17:23:52 <Steven> you have 10 seconds.
17:24:02 <Mekkis> an outsider
17:24:14 <Steven> time.
17:24:20 <Mekkis> did I win?
17:24:32 <Steven> i dunno, i dont even know what his herald is
17:24:44 <Mekkis> nor do I, but I know that heralds are outsiders
17:24:52 <Steven> not all heralds are.
17:24:58 <Mekkis> I could probably know it was a CN outsider, right?
17:25:12 <Steven> iomedea was arodens herald for a time
17:25:22 <Steven> she started out as human.
17:25:46 <Mekkis> but she's an outsider now
17:26:06 <Steven> now that shes a diety yes she is
17:26:22 <Mekkis> :)
17:26:40 <Steven> the point you guys should take away from this is that it required a DC28 kn religion check to identify her as the herald of lissala
17:26:52 <Steven> and yes a 32 should probably have gotten that
17:27:02 <Mekkis> not planes?
17:27:18 <Steven> a case could be made either way.
17:28:03 <Steven> kn religion to identify her as the herald probably some of the nasty shit she has done.
17:28:14 <Mekkis> does a cloudkill change direction as the caster moves?
17:28:16 <Steven> like fireballing an entire villiage, hint hint she has fireball.
17:28:33 <Steven> i dunno, go read the spell, never used it before
17:28:40 <Mekkis> !spell cloudkill
17:28:43 <diebot> Mekkis, CLOUDKILL conjuration (creation[poison]) sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5, magus 5 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: Fortitude partial; see text SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
17:28:43 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/cloudkill.html
17:28:58 <Mekkis> Unlike a fog cloud, the cloudkill moves away from you at 10 feet per round, rolling along the surface of the ground.
17:29:06 <Mekkis> Brunius, tanks?
17:31:18 <CWheezy> pretty sure it jut goes in the direction you push it
17:31:23 <CWheezy> er casted it
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18:22:55 <Steven> there we go, bought a +1 Spellstoring Ceremonial Silken Armor
18:23:18 <Steven> with a 7d6 Vampiric Touch Stored in it now.
18:23:38 <Steven> !throw 7d6
18:23:38 <diebot> Steven, 7d6: [7d6=1,1,2,3,1,4,2] 14
18:23:46 <Steven> terrible roll.
18:23:51 <Steven> !throw 7d6
18:23:51 <diebot> Steven, 7d6: [7d6=1,6,2,4,5,1,4] 23
18:24:01 <Steven> thats a bit better
18:50:18 <Spaceshot_note_> I didn't think you get to put spells in spellstoring till the start of a scenario
18:54:15 <Steven> you can so long as its marked on the chronicle as a condition gained.
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18:55:57 <Spaceshot_note> Well did you buy the armour at the table or away from the table?
18:56:34 <Steven> away from table, guess i'll have to get the GM to mark it as condition gained
18:56:39 <Steven> there we go, just signed it.
18:56:55 <Steven> its good to be the GM
18:57:47 <Spaceshot_note> Were you the GM for that sheet?
18:58:24 * Steven facepalms
19:03:04 <Spaceshot_note> Btw, I'm going to want playtesters for a game in the near future
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19:38:39 <Philderbeast> i musr admit i have done that as well. its so much easier when you are the gm
19:46:44 <Steven> im taking this guy all the way into eyes of the ten again.
19:51:19 <Steven> looks like i might end up playing it twice before avatar gets to play it once.
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19:52:15 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_note, I'll playtest, on the conditions that I've put forward before
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20:54:01 <Spaceshot_note> I've forgotten said conditions. It was some time ago
20:56:36 <Mekkis> I want a clear goal, and a clear ruleset, and a clear expression of what you're testing
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21:02:37 <Spaceshot_note> By clear do you mean nothing is going change during testing or that general questions/problems will be answered?
21:02:54 <Spaceshot_note> Clear rulesset*
21:03:48 <Spaceshot_note> The goal and expression (if I understand what you mean by that) are fine
21:04:07 <Mekkis> I mean it's something that a) I can read; and b) that has no glaring omissions or loopholes
21:05:47 <Spaceshot_note> Ah, well I'd first give people who are willing to test it a look through of the rules if there is anything I've missed out on before play
21:06:07 <Spaceshot_note> Because something that makes sense to me might not to others
21:33:46 <Mekkis> Steven, do VLs have the authority to correct incorrect reporting? Or is it just VCs?
21:34:36 <Mekkis> Perhaps you could answer this too, Darkkapow
21:43:52 <Philderbeast> spaceshot im happy to play test but not sure how much help i will be
22:18:06 <Steven> no we dont have the authority to correct reporting, our words just carry more weight with our respective VCs when it comes to fixing things
22:18:13 <Steven> at least thats how its supposed to work.
22:19:56 <Steven> i guess some VLs and VCs dont have as good a relationship as walter and I do.
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