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00:40:10 <Bloodlust> hello hello
00:41:04 <Bloodlust> Is there ANYONE who can come and play Feast of Ravenmoor now? This game won't run unless we can get another person, which will suck monster chode.
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04:57:15 <Whapow> If anyone is interested, there's a PFS 4-01: Rise of the Goblin Guild [1-5] in an hour or so, on Roll20.
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06:54:57 <Avatar> what's with games happening in the middle of the night !
07:10:14 <Steven> probably american run.
07:14:39 <Avatar> need some american players
07:15:07 <Steven> we have like 4 or something now
07:15:23 <Avatar> need some more
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07:34:40 <Philderbeast> we need some au games: (
07:34:47 <Philderbeast> i havent had an online game for ages
07:46:16 <Avatar> run one
07:46:50 <Philderbeast> i have been trying to
07:46:56 <Philderbeast> but i cant get players for what i can run
07:47:32 <Avatar> you haven't scheduled any
07:47:51 <Philderbeast> not on here, but io have other places
07:48:07 <Philderbeast> mainly cause i dont know what scenario im going to run when i put them up
07:48:07 <Avatar> when you schedule a game, we email invites out to anyone who's registered and hasn't played it
07:48:22 <Avatar> you've got to know what scenario
07:48:42 <Philderbeast> see thats the thing im giving players a list of what i have to pick from to run
07:48:47 <Philderbeast> rathe then me just picking it
07:49:45 <Philderbeast> and it doesnt help that i have only seen like one game scedualed on the site for like the last month
07:51:08 <Avatar> yeah that usually isn't how it works unless active players are in here
08:03:31 <Steven> yeah, just pick a game and have avatar schedule it.
08:09:05 <Philderbeast> ok then throw down 5-02 (wardstone patrol for 7pm friday (+11)
08:09:52 <Philderbeast> roll20/ts3
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08:30:00 <Killage> hi all
08:30:15 <Killage> are games played here?
08:30:41 <Philderbeast> some times
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09:25:57 <Mekkis> Avatar,
09:26:11 <Mekkis> schedule WotW for 16th November, 1330 AEDT
09:26:49 <Avatar> soitanly
09:27:31 <Avatar> Philderbeast: that's not how you recruit players
09:29:57 <Mekkis> what's the armour check penalty of mithril fullplate?
09:34:40 <Avatar> 30% off sale on paizo
09:37:39 <Mekkis> oh
09:37:54 <Mekkis> I just spent about $300 on reaper. I should hold off
09:40:37 <Mekkis> is Steven around?
09:45:16 <Avatar> scenarios are a bit cheaper
09:58:03 <Mekkis> cool
09:58:14 <Mekkis> what about books?
10:01:18 <Philderbeast>
10:01:25 <Philderbeast> exit
10:01:58 <Mekkis> no
10:03:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, why don't you buy me Blood of Angels in exchange for those miniatures?
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10:17:41 <Avatar> I don't even know if I can use one of those miniatures anymore
10:33:45 <Mekkis> sure you can
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10:36:56 <Philderbeast> anyone for low teir The stolen Heir got 3 players and a gm
10:37:11 <Philderbeast> 5-04
10:37:43 <Mekkis> how can you even contemplate playing or running stolen heir online. The amount of social interaction to make it a great mod requires an in-person presence...
10:44:53 <Avatar> you can play social games online easily
10:46:22 <Philderbeast> to be honest i find online games better for that a lot of the time
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14:29:19 <Steven> what up yo.
14:30:43 <Mekkis> Steven, can you suggest exactly what sort of thing the NPC in 5-02 would say in D2?
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14:49:17 <Damalon01> hello
14:51:29 <Steven> hello.
14:51:42 <Damalon01> hey hos it going?
14:51:59 <Steven> hos be good man...
14:52:19 <Steven> and its also going good.
14:52:29 <Steven> new in channel?
14:53:19 <Damalon01> relatively. I was on mibbit for a little bit a couple days ago.
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15:17:01 <Avatar> damalon's played in melbourne at the cons
15:26:13 <Damalon01> i have indeed
15:26:30 <Damalon01> ive played a few online gaes thru rolld20 too
15:27:25 <Steven> yeah well i have pancakes
15:30:18 <Damalon01> pancakes are aesome. I just had cake and apple struddle :P checkmate.
15:31:32 <Steven> I made these pancakes from my mothers recipe with her boysenberry syrup she made and she gave me cheese cake for dessert.
15:31:39 <Steven> so... not checkmate bitch!
15:36:47 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Fri 8th 6pm (tier 5-9,Avatar) || WotW: Sat 16th 1.30pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au .
15:37:11 <Avatar> not sure people can make the friday night or if they need the saturday
15:37:32 * Steven shrugs
15:37:54 <Steven> whatcha gonna run?
15:38:00 <Avatar> fabric of reality
15:41:33 <Steven> thats a good one
15:44:36 <Damalon01> i dont kno that one
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15:45:35 <Steven> ive eaten too much pancake.
15:45:43 <Damalon01> hehehe
15:46:22 <Steven> i need to put a note on the cheesecake otherwise it will be gone in the morning when the room mates notice im asleep.
15:51:17 <Steven> we should find a couple more people and get avatar to GM for us.
15:51:19 <Steven> right now.
15:57:53 <Damalon01> lolol
15:58:44 <Avatar> good one
15:59:00 <Avatar> I don't like GMing on sundays, let alone sunday afternoons
16:00:34 <Steven> but its an opportunity to kill people...
16:00:53 <Steven> nom nom nom!
16:01:04 <Damalon01> lol!
16:01:27 <Damalon01> why does everyone act like that? its a total bluff
16:01:52 <Avatar> it's kind of funny usually
16:02:04 <Avatar> until you run into a GM who thinks it's seriously funny to rough up players
16:04:23 <Damalon01> indeed
16:04:37 <Damalon01> i think it gets taken too far some times
16:04:49 <Steven> an occasional death is good for a player, breeds character
16:05:23 <Damalon01> yup i agree
16:05:35 <Damalon01> but i for one have lost characters many times
16:05:42 <Damalon01> so i dont need that bluff
16:08:21 <Avatar> how does it breed character to occasionally die
16:09:37 <Damalon01> too me it seems like PFS is cuaght up in a continual cycle of poer gaming and meta gaming. players make increasingly poerful charcters, gms try to counteract their power by maing harder encounters and scenarios, so the players make stronger characters...
16:10:24 <Avatar> agree
16:10:43 <Avatar> toughening scenarios was a mistake
16:10:58 <Avatar> they're sort of on the right track with making encounters interesting
16:12:16 <Avatar> Damalon01: what level are your characters and what's your availability to play like
16:13:21 <Damalon01> i have a sorcerer/3, a cleric/6 and a Gunslinger/7. Saturday I play at midday but would be available after 6-7pm.
16:13:45 <Avatar> did you finish marking off what scenarios you've played on the site
16:13:46 <Damalon01> every second friday i run a game for a group from 5-11pm
16:14:24 <Damalon01> ive marked up most of them. i didnt see any for adventure paths that are played as PFS
16:14:59 <Steven> thats cause so far nobodies tried running one.
16:15:10 <Damalon01> aahhh
16:15:14 <Damalon01> ive played a fe
16:15:17 <Damalon01> w
16:15:25 <Damalon01> bloody W key
16:15:42 <Damalon01> i think i got it all up, can you see it?
16:15:44 <Avatar> don't think I could convince ballig to add them to the site
16:15:46 <Steven> ive played rein of winter and the first part of rise. still need to get the group together to run the rest of it.
16:15:57 <Avatar> yeah, use the dropdown at the top of the page to view any player's played scenarios
16:16:23 <Avatar> view player:
16:18:18 <Damalon01> yup im checkin out. i added which scenarios i could remember doing to to the Pathfinder Society section.
16:20:07 <Damalon01> ok yup i can see it when i use 'view player'. ill double check it soon, but that what i could remember at the time.
16:23:14 <Steven> man.... i think i might be goin into a sugar coma... that was entirely too much pancakey goodness
16:23:38 <Damalon01> lol no one made you eat it :P
16:24:56 <Steven> todd made me do it.
16:24:57 <Damalon01> look Avatar, im willing to play nearly any time. Im a total rpg addict. The only bad times for me are staurdays at midday or every second friday. I will let you know if i cant play, if something comes up
16:27:54 <Avatar> games usually run on friday nights or saturday mornings
16:28:03 <Avatar> steven runs games on any given weeknight at a whim
16:28:29 <Avatar> the americans don't do the friday nights very well
16:31:48 <Damalon01> yeah i can imagine
16:32:28 <Damalon01> i can do every second friday, saturday mornings are possible but id have to be finished by midday so i could attend my regular group
16:36:46 <Avatar> cool
16:39:48 <Damalon01> What time (Melbourne time) do you usually star and finis on sats?
16:42:22 <Avatar> I start mine at 9am, kapow usually starts at 11am
16:42:29 <Avatar> I think mekkis mixes it up
16:42:50 <Avatar> usually 10am or 1pm starts I think for him
16:46:02 <Mekkis> yeah
16:46:14 <Damalon01> 9 am would be fine assuming we would finish by 12, my group usually turns up around then and I can ask them to turn up at 1pm if need be
16:46:29 <Damalon01> i think every second friday might be more reliable tho
16:53:28 <Steven> gonna sell off my emrakuls, got 3 of em past my set
17:07:39 <Damalon01> i could play on the 8th of Nov for example
17:09:45 <Avatar> that's handy
17:09:53 <Avatar> what about the 9th if it needs to be rescheduled
17:10:09 <Avatar> I'll be putting it up on the site tomorrow
17:18:40 <Damalon01> diffecult cos its a saturday but i could play that evening
17:18:57 <Damalon01> maybe morning if you could manage being done by 12
17:19:32 <Damalon01> if we played in the evening i wouldnt have time constraints
17:20:42 <Avatar> can't manage being done by 12 unless you start at 6am
17:21:01 <Avatar> saturday night has the same problem as friday night I think
17:21:18 <Avatar> what time on a saturday night would you want
17:22:03 <Damalon01> 6 pm start would be great, 7 pm even better (gives me time for dinner)
17:23:03 <Avatar> ok
17:23:28 <Avatar> eating while playing online is usually no drama like it is in person
17:23:48 <Avatar> as long as you mute between mouthfuls of chewing
17:24:23 <Damalon01> yeah i know :P hence why id be willing to start right after my usual game on Sat (we generally finish around 5:30)
17:25:16 <Damalon01> friday id be willing to start anytime, except tthat im only available every second friday
17:25:57 <Damalon01> if we started friday morning, say at 9 am, i could atucally play every friday regardless
17:26:18 <Damalon01> since my friday games dont start til 6-7 pm
17:30:40 <Brunius> most games I have skype muted most of the time, and only unmute when I have something to say
17:30:45 <Brunius> I think it's easier that way
17:32:26 <Steven> yeah i barely ever talk over skype unless im GMing.
17:36:57 <Damalon01> i use push to talk a lot, so no one hears me unless i want them too. google hanouts sucks cos it doesnt have push to talk. i played a game once with this guy that had a habit of breathing really heavily into the mike, so it was like he breathing right in my ear. It was driving me crazy...
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17:47:30 <Avatar> hangouts has a way to mute doesn't it
17:50:27 <Damalon01> yeah but its not push to talk, so you gotta turn it on and off by clicking it in hangouts
17:50:41 <Damalon01> which can mean switching windows etc
17:50:56 <Damalon01> and a lotta people just leave their mics open
17:51:50 <Avatar> skype has a tiny always on top window for muting and hanging up
17:52:03 <Avatar> I think you can make it push to talk, but I don't know anyone who does
17:52:16 <Damalon01> i do :)
17:52:26 <Avatar> okay I know one guy who does now
17:52:31 <Damalon01> hehehe
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17:54:34 <Avatar> you need to get through 3 encounters to get 1 exp don't you
17:54:39 <Avatar> or is that 1 prestige
17:55:12 <Damalon01> i think its for 1 xp but im not sure
17:55:26 <Damalon01> i dont GM PFS sorry
17:56:02 <Brunius> yeah, three encounters for one XP
17:56:41 <Avatar> PFS guide doesn't say three encounters
17:56:46 <Avatar> not sure if it used to
17:56:53 <Avatar> just says you have to "successfully complete" the scenario
18:03:00 <Damalon01> do you tiill get gold, even if its only half or something, for an unsuccessful scenario
18:03:02 <Damalon01> ?
18:03:10 <Damalon01> ugh typing
18:03:12 <Avatar> yeah, for each successful encounter
18:04:28 <Damalon01> ahhh
18:05:10 <Damalon01> i was just wondering if they have a measure for the recovery o resources for unsuccesful scenarios. otherwise theyd just bleed you dry.
18:10:14 <Mekkis> Damalon01, I've run 92 games, and played about as many. I can count the number of unsuccessful scenarios I've witnessed on one hand
18:10:20 <Mekkis> it's not significant
18:12:01 <Damalon01> yup i believe you Mekkis. i havent witnessed any unsuccessful scenarios yet myself. I merely wondered if they had an existing measure.
18:12:26 <Mekkis> they do. It's called "throw out your character and play another :)
18:15:16 <Damalon01> heheheh!
18:15:36 <Damalon01> yeah thats what id do if i lost too many resources
18:16:17 <Avatar> how many players in those games have experienced unsuccessful scenarios though
18:18:05 <Mekkis> I don't know all my players' play histories
18:18:20 <Steven> 2/3 of the encounters.
18:18:21 <Mekkis> I have
18:18:33 <Steven> to get 1 exp is what we run at the FLGS
18:19:18 <Damalon01> at a geuss id say not many. i have witnessed a low level character, i think level 2-3, loose a mithril chainshirt to a rust monster. if it was me i woould just retire the character.
18:20:00 <Mekkis> that's happened, yes
18:20:13 <Mekkis> but 1150gp isn't that much, in the scheme of things
18:20:43 <Mekkis> it DID happen at my table...
18:20:54 <Avatar> your tables
18:20:59 <Mekkis> And I did check with Darkwhite before I did it
18:21:10 <Avatar> obviously I'm not asking for their play histories
18:22:13 <Mekkis> well, I don't think I've run any scenarios that have been reported as unsuccessful.
18:22:20 <Damalon01> 1100 gp is a lot to a lo level toon
18:22:20 <Mekkis> There have been a few deaths, yes
18:22:45 <Mekkis> Damalon01, could you please make an effort to spell out your words?
18:23:03 <Steven> i've run i think 5-6 scenarios that were unsuccessful.
18:23:36 <Mekkis> 1100gp is a sizeable chunk: but it's also the difference between playing at 4-5 as opposed to 1-2
18:23:39 <Damalon01> lol im trying, sorry
18:23:43 <Steven> his W key is on the fritz
18:23:51 <Mekkis> as is the shift key :S
18:24:28 <Damalon01> sorry man, if i annoy you ill just shut up.
18:25:12 <Steven> dont worry bout it damalon
18:25:12 <Mekkis> it's not a massive annoyance, it's more that it doesn't make me think you're serious in your conversation.
18:25:47 <Steven> mekkis can adapt
18:26:23 <Steven> pretty shitty bout the mithril shirts. lol
18:26:24 <Damalon01> not using caps means im not serious?
18:26:47 <Damalon01> interesting pov
18:26:54 <Steven> totes not serious if you dont use caps son!
18:26:57 <Mekkis> it means you don't care about what you're saying much.
18:27:06 <Steven> i never do, as a result nobody takes me seriously
18:27:09 <Damalon01> it does?
18:27:13 <Steven> which is just how i like it.
18:27:21 <Damalon01> interesting assumption Mekkis
18:27:32 <Avatar> I play fast and loose with spelling all the time
18:27:37 <Avatar> you get what I'm trying to say
18:27:37 <Steven> also i sprinkle in words like totes and 'on the down low'
18:27:45 <Damalon01> capitals are for the begging of sentences, names and titles.
18:27:47 <Avatar> better I get the words out faster, I say
18:28:01 <Avatar> leave it capitals for the roleplaying
18:28:04 <Damalon01> beginning. ugh spelling
18:28:06 <Avatar> leave* capitals
18:28:08 <Steven> avatar types like a freight train... doesnt stop for shit!
18:28:14 <Avatar> damn right
18:28:16 <Avatar> steven gets it
18:28:18 <Damalon01> hehhe
18:28:56 <Steven> so was putting some socks away and i found a medium fire elemental and a large Air Elemental
18:29:05 <Steven> miniature
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18:29:14 <Steven> pretty jazzed about that. thought i lost em.
18:29:43 <Steven> alright.... so we got 5 people in the channel
18:29:46 <Steven> lets play!
18:29:51 <Ulzef_phone> Ello
18:29:59 <Avatar> ulz
18:30:03 <Steven> see ulzef is rearing to go!
18:30:11 <Steven> he even said hello and shit!
18:30:12 <Damalon01> lolz Steeve is eager
18:30:29 <Ulzef_phone> i am currently in a game atm
18:30:30 <Avatar> if you asked me last night I'd be playing
18:30:34 <Damalon01> Hi Ulzef
18:30:35 <Ulzef_phone> boring game though
18:30:44 <Steven> i've never gotten to play my Rage prophet...
18:30:54 <Steven> 6 levels of GM credit baby...
18:31:00 <Ulzef_phone> love my rage prophet
18:31:22 <Steven> i think its going to be fun
18:31:47 <Steven> i have unarmed unbuffed AC of 18
18:32:05 <Ulzef_phone> free guidance once a round is nice
18:32:16 <Steven> walking around in adventure 22AC
18:32:40 <Steven> pre combat can easily get to 30AC
18:32:58 <Ulzef_phone> how did you manage that?
18:33:04 <Steven> and of course while raging 28
18:33:14 <Ulzef_phone> ac seems to be my main prob
18:33:27 Mekkis gives channel half-operator status to diebot
18:33:35 * Steven points above his head to the sign thats flashing "MUNCHKIN!!!"
18:33:42 <Mekkis> !spell true strike
18:33:43 <diebot> Mekkis, TRUE STRIKE divination ([]) sorcerer/wizard 1, alchemist 1, inquisitor 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, F (small wooden replica of an archery target) Duration: see text Save: SR:Source: PFRPG Core
18:33:43 <diebot> You gain temporary, intuitive insight into the immediate future during your next attack. Your next single attack roll (if it is made before the end of the next round) gains a +20 insight bonus. Additionally, you are not affected by the miss chance that applies to attackers trying to strike a concealed target.
18:33:47 <Damalon01> lawl
18:34:17 <Ulzef_phone> i get that steven thats why i asked i love theory crafting
18:34:54 <Mekkis> can you get something more broken than Lucent?
18:35:09 <Steven> Lore Oracle3/Savage barbarian3/Rage Prophet1
18:35:21 <Steven> sorry to be more exact
18:35:23 <Mekkis> Diviner 7
18:35:35 <Steven> Seer Oracle of Lore 3/Savage barbarian3/Rage Prophet1
18:36:19 <Steven> i could have had higher strength but i wanted skill points
18:36:49 <Ulzef_phone> you able to email me the build would really like to see that one
18:37:02 <Steven> so i have a 14/10/16/14/8/20
18:37:08 <Steven> after racials.
18:38:18 <Steven> Attack for +10 with a scythe for 2d4+15
18:38:34 <Steven> and Spirits while raging with a +10 for 1d4+5
18:39:00 <Ulzef_phone> would like to see how much of it would work with another rage prophet i am building
18:39:22 <Steven> probably wouldnt lol
18:39:34 <Steven> theres some very janky stuff going on with it.
18:39:55 <Ulzef_phone> my current one is 2 barb/4 nature oracle/2 rage prophet
18:40:35 <Ulzef_phone> going into mamoth lord
18:40:51 <Steven> mounted eh?
18:40:52 <Ulzef_phone> xan you build
18:40:57 <Ulzef_phone> yeah
18:41:17 <Ulzef_phone> can your build work with heaven oracle?
18:41:42 <Ulzef_phone> the next ine i wanna make is a color sprayer
18:42:41 <Steven> i almost went nature on this char but i forget to use my Animal companion on my druid all the time.
18:43:11 <Steven> so didnt wanna deal with it.
18:43:19 <Steven> plus its complicated enough already
18:43:50 <Steven> i almost wanna dip diviner just so i can always act in surprise round
18:44:16 <Steven> so i can get my enlarge off before combat proper starts
18:44:16 <Ulzef_phone> really need to see this build
18:45:56 <Steven> whats really awesome is my AC stays the same when i become enlarged
18:48:34 <Ulzef_phone> need to see thus cause we are starting lvl 1's again and i wanted to make my color spray rage peophet then
18:49:07 <Steven> color spray rage prophet doesnt seem like much fun
18:50:02 <Steven> i mean as a one time trick i could see some hilarity coming from it
18:50:17 <Steven> walk around with a rod of quicken, bad guy approaches
18:50:26 <Steven> swift action color spray
18:50:27 <Damalon01> oooo id love to start a new level 1
18:50:32 <Steven> drop rod
18:50:33 <Ulzef_phone> with hevens you get to use it all the way to retirement
18:50:38 <Damalon01> i was thinking Ninja or Fighter
18:50:43 <Steven> quick draw scythe
18:50:46 <Steven> coup
18:50:56 <Steven> well quickdraw any x4 weapon really
18:51:18 <Steven> ninja so fun!
18:51:41 <Steven> i was playing with a ranged ninja the other day.
18:51:48 <Damalon01> i made Ninja based on the myths concerning Hannadake Tengu
18:51:49 <Steven> was great.
18:52:00 <Damalon01> no sorry Karasu Tengu
18:52:05 <Damalon01> got it mixed up
18:52:33 <Damalon01> Hannadake are the Yamabushi ones
18:55:38 <Steven> and ulzef i am loath to give out a build as last time i did, three people copied it.
18:55:51 <Damalon01> I wanna play a tanky Fighter too. No one seems to play that style. I would just use Anatagonize and stuff a lot
18:56:15 <Steven> i hate antagonize so much.
18:56:35 <Damalon01> dont worry about me Steve, i dont copy other people builds. I work on themes and concepts.
18:56:55 <Damalon01> whats wrong with Antagonize?
18:57:18 <Steven> NPC running away... "hey chicken" oh let me stop running away from the group of PCs who just murdered 5 of my friends cause i know i can kill that son of a bitch.
18:58:01 <Damalon01> hehehe yeah a little unrealistic
18:58:04 <Ulzef_phone> yeah i just want to see how you do it would never copy a build i moght use the theory un the furture but never a complete build
18:59:24 <Ulzef_phone> mek can vouche for me i like wierd stuff just like theory in builds
18:59:37 <Steven> its one of those abilities that is vs a set DC and you can just sink points into it and eventually make it unbeatable
19:00:12 <Steven> like my character ausk can intimidate a Great Wyrm Red Dragon so long as he doesnt roll a 2.
19:01:47 <Steven> its just not realistic.
19:02:46 <Steven> once i did the math on it, i stopped specializing in it further.
19:03:32 <Steven> anyways.
19:05:11 <Ulzef_phone> so not gonna sen ut then :(
19:05:31 <Steven> im debating.
19:05:47 <Damalon01> fair point Steven
19:09:20 <Avatar> if I make another character, it'll be a cheesed-up heavens oracle
19:09:51 <Damalon01> in my opinion the DC for Antagonize is a bit lo, being hit dice + Wisdom bonus. it should really be 5 or 10 + hd + wis bonus
19:11:30 <Steven> its 10+HD+Wis
19:11:53 <Steven> but once you get a base +20 on the roll you're going to succeed about 70% of the time.
19:12:20 <Ulzef_phone> it only locks them for one round
19:12:51 <Damalon01> thats for general intimidate not Antagonize
19:13:17 <Steven> ?feat Antagonize
19:13:23 <Steven> !feat Antagonize
19:13:23 <diebot> Steven, ANTAGONIZE [] Whether with biting remarks or hurtful words, you are adept at making creatures angry with you.
19:13:24 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/feats/antagonize.html
19:13:30 <Steven> i can never remember the codes
19:14:00 <Steven> lists the DC at 10+HD+Wis
19:14:17 <Steven> which is also the DC for intimidating a creature.
19:14:33 <Damalon01> ierd, im looking at Ultimate combat and it doesnt say that. did they change it?
19:17:45 <Damalon01> well it certainly says on your link that its 10+HD+Wis. Im fine with that.
19:18:19 <Steven> antagonize has been tinkered with.
19:18:29 <Damalon01> yeah it prolly deserved it
19:18:38 <Damalon01> like i said it was too easy
19:19:17 <Steven> imo 10+HD+Wis is too easy.
19:19:22 <Steven> but thats just me.
19:19:44 <Steven> avatar, want some help on that heavens oracle?
19:19:51 <Steven> We could trick it out for you big time.
19:20:18 <Steven> get you some spinning rims and a spoiler.
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19:28:28 <Steven> ugh... the boards...
19:28:41 <Steven> sometimes they are a terrible terrible place.
19:36:14 <Damalon01> hehehe
19:43:44 <Steven> time to watch some new scifi
19:56:28 <Ulzef_phone> hmmm for the life of me cant work out how your ac is so high with just the classes :(
19:57:54 * Steven points above his head to the sign thats flashing "MUNCHKIN!!!"
19:59:24 <Damalon01> lol his power as a munchkin adds +15AC
19:59:31 <Damalon01> just pure munchkin
19:59:36 <Steven> exactly
20:02:19 <Ulzef_phone> if you were nature i could see 5ac and the 1 from not wearing armor as a savage gets you to 16 thb a shield however that is no wear near 30 ac
20:05:16 <Ulzef_phone> mage armor would get you to 20 then a shield can get you 4 thats 24
20:06:51 <CWheezy> fighting defensively combat expertise?
20:07:41 <Steven> its a secret.
20:11:22 <Ulzef_phone> is the character on the site and whats its name?
20:11:56 <Steven> its not on the site
20:12:13 <Damalon01> hehehe let the munchkin keep his secret powers
20:12:19 <Damalon01> :P
20:12:45 <Ulzef_phone> :( was gonna see if i could work it iut by reverse engineering the character
20:14:17 <Ulzef_phone> rather than the build would you be able to email me the complete character
21:02:16 <Avatar> ryan k reckons paladins and rangers can't use CLW wands until you actually start getting spell slots
21:03:51 <Steven> whos ryan K?
21:03:54 <Avatar> because you don't have the class feature to do so
21:04:03 <Avatar> ex-VL in melbourne
21:04:12 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qt8
21:04:41 <Avatar> Now this doesn't specifically point out spells and wand use, but to use a wand without a UMD check it needs to be on your spell list. Since casting spells is a class feature you are not able to use wands without UMD until you have are able to cast spells.
21:05:24 <Avatar> it actually sounds right
21:05:40 <Avatar> the wording on ranger for "Spells" specifically says "Beginning at 4th level..."
21:07:34 <Steven> page 458
21:07:37 <Steven> Spell trigger item
21:07:40 <Steven> Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.
21:14:50 <Damalon01> i would agree with Ryan on this one. If you dont have access to the spell it not on your list, which means you need UMD.
21:15:02 <Avatar> that specifically calls out 3rd level paladin
21:15:11 <Mekkis> Damalon01, the rules specifically don't agree with you
21:15:48 <Steven> it gives an example not the only case for an exception.
21:18:16 <Steven> Rangers are a class that can cast CLW. They can use Spell trigger Items from the Ranger Spell List.
21:18:47 <Damalon01> i know the rules dont really agree with me
21:18:52 <Ulzef_phone> kapow on?
21:19:17 <Avatar> yeah I agree with you
21:19:36 <Damalon01> hence why i dont GM PFS
21:19:45 <Damalon01> i only play it
21:20:26 <Ulzef_phone> kapow sign up for waking i only have 3 players atm
21:21:14 <Mekkis> Damalon01, what's your reasoning on why you don't agree with it?
21:23:28 <Avatar> you only need to know basic rules to GM, not all the rules
21:23:29 <Ulzef_phone> brb see you all later
21:23:34 <Avatar> gg
21:23:45 <Ulzef_phone> on my way home
21:24:05 <Ulzef_phone> and darn you mekkis for dibzing the high tier
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21:25:06 <Steven> yeah i've been playing for a few years and gm'd plenty but i still learn new rules.
21:26:00 <Damalon01> Mekkis, i think that until you can actually cast the spell it should count as being accessible. therefore, if you dont have access, you must use UMD or simply accept you cant cast spells. otherwise you can min max thing by taking a 10 in the controlling stat, say wisdom if your a ranger and still use wands even tho technically you cant cast spells.
21:26:18 <Damalon01> shouldnt count sorry
21:27:58 <Mekkis> I suppose my question is: Why do you think that preventing low-level rangers and paladins from using wands of cure light wounds would make the game Better?
21:28:22 <Damalon01> oh it may not make the game better as such
21:28:24 <Mekkis> because that's really what that stipulation covers 95% of the time
21:28:50 <Damalon01> it would cut down on the overuse and reliance on expendable items tho
21:29:04 <Mekkis> the direct effect it would have is that some groups would find out-of-combat healing much harder
21:29:40 <Damalon01> look at it this way perhaps: if its more challenging games you want why not effect it by cutting away some of the ease of access to healing and other consumable items?
21:29:40 <Mekkis> nothing wrong with reliance on expendable items. I rely a lot on fuel in my car.
21:30:12 <Damalon01> i dont rely on a car. i use public transport, my feet, call in favours
21:30:16 <Mekkis> it wouldn't make games more "challenging"
21:30:16 <Damalon01> so should my character
21:30:28 <Damalon01> relying on anything is a weaknes
21:30:28 <Mekkis> It would just make more groups unworkable
21:30:31 <Steven> every party around relies on a CLW/Infernal Healing to get them back up after a fight.
21:30:49 <Damalon01> personally i say more players should play healers
21:30:52 <Damalon01> just as good
21:31:01 <Damalon01> i have a healer
21:31:38 <Mekkis> I disagree entirely. "Healer" isn't an effective in-combat role
21:32:25 <Steven> and all those healers carry a CLW
21:32:36 <Damalon01> is being effective in-combat absolutely nesecary
21:32:43 <Damalon01> ?
21:32:43 <Mekkis> yes
21:32:49 <Damalon01> no i dont think'
21:32:50 <Damalon01> so
21:32:59 <Mekkis> last I checked, Pathfinder's rules largely cover combat
21:33:10 <Damalon01> i can see you and i are gonna have problems Mekkis
21:33:23 <Damalon01> its a role playing game
21:33:28 <Damalon01> not a roll playing game
21:33:31 <Mekkis> That we can agree on
21:33:34 <Mekkis> But
21:33:53 <Mekkis> If you don't have a Role to play when shit hits the fan, what are you doing in the party at all?
21:34:11 <Damalon01> lol my cleric casts buffing spells, heals people
21:34:16 <Damalon01> makes them more powerful
21:34:27 <Damalon01> ive never had any complaints
21:34:32 <Mekkis> I have a cleric like that. I don't think of him as a healer
21:34:43 <Damalon01> if you heal, youre a healer
21:34:44 <Mekkis> Sure, he can heal, but that's not his Role
21:35:23 <Damalon01> clerics that spontaneously convert to heal are obviously healers
21:35:40 <Steven> oh god this argument/discussion again?
21:35:54 <Damalon01> lol sorry steven ill stop there
21:35:56 <Mekkis> sure, but it's not his role
21:36:14 <Damalon01> sorry Mekkis, im stopping there
21:36:35 <Mekkis> (for instance, he doesn't have Antisocial channelling)
21:38:25 <Mekkis> One thing that probably frustrates me more than it should is players using wands on themselves incombat
21:42:22 * Avatar removes voice from Ulzef
21:48:41 <Steven> 21k and my character will only need to cast one spell precombat
21:55:10 <Steven> which will be shield.
22:24:14 <Damalon01> well im gonna head off. seeya.
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