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55:53 <Steven> so hows your game shaping up philder?
56:12 <Philderbeast> waiting on players atm i have 2 intested on the thread so far
56:31 <Philderbeast> wha
56:31 <Steven> i'll bring my 28hp barbarian!
56:50 <Philderbeast> for fs?
58:24 <Philderbeast> and make sure you post on the GG if you going to play
58:37 <Philderbeast> so i can keep track of how many players i have
58:54 <Steven> i'll only play if you need to make legal table size.
58:57 <mannequin> lol
59:15 <mannequin> chess\
59:22 <Philderbeast> first steps was not my preferance to run... but thats what people seem to want
59:51 <Steven> yeah, if you need to make legal table size i'll play, otherwise im going to watch anime
59:53 <mannequin> its all
00:11 <mannequin> more you put into it the better
00:38 <mannequin> controlled society droids
00:43 <Spam> not relly interested in first steps played it not long ago sorry
01:07 <Philderbeast> thats cool, i have more interest for next week anyway
01:21 <Philderbeast> and i should have at least one more on the list for ther
01:23 <Philderbeast> then
01:32 <mannequin> well u dont say its my fault ive done more time than u
01:40 <Spam> whats next week
01:52 <Philderbeast> depends what the players want
01:59 <Philderbeast> i give a list and let people pick
02:09 <Spam> sweet
02:12 <Steven> alright well ill put my 28hp barb away.
02:12 <mannequin> could be
02:49 <Philderbeast> so same list in the first post of that thread + either frost fur captives or wardstone patrol probably
03:36 <Philderbeast> might even get both... will see how i feel
04:21 <mannequin> well what the people want is coming down there soon a beef patty doesn;t slim you out
07:39 <Avatar> let me know date/time/scenario when you want one scheduled
08:23 <Philderbeast> ok avatar
08:31 <Philderbeast> so i just let you know to get it on the site?
08:52 <Steven> avatar mekkis has been bugging to have wotw date switched
09:03 <mannequin> geez
09:58 <Steven> so anybody want me to run something....
10:08 <Philderbeast> i wont say no
10:17 <Philderbeast> for a lvl 3 cleric plz :)
10:46 <Steven> no no no, you guys gotta find a game and a group of people
11:45 <Philderbeast> i presume your list on the site is good to pick what you can GM?
12:08 <Steven> i think so, but i dont need credit for shit.
12:21 <Philderbeast> just trying to see what you have to pick from
13:05 <Steven> i have 20 characters, im pretty good on characters to play so credit is pretty low on the list of priorities.
13:14 <Philderbeast> nice
13:30 <Philderbeast> who else would like to play then?
13:39 <Philderbeast> and how long would you like to prep steven?
13:46 <Steven> see thats the trick, finding other people to play.
13:57 <Steven> just as long as it takes to line up a map.
15:40 <Philderbeast> The Devil We Know, Part II: Cassomir's Locker i would really like to play this, as i was going to gm part 3 later this year and didnt end up getting to play it this week
16:27 <mannequin> they sayalot nothing happens
16:33 <mannequin> postpone
16:40 <mannequin> blsh blah blah
16:53 <mannequin> not alot has changed
18:10 <Avatar> Philderbeast: yeah just let me know
18:26 <Avatar> make sure the time is in UTC or UTC+11 so I can translate it
20:11 <Philderbeast> not a problem
27:56 <Steven> 20 tables till i meet all the requirements for being a 5star
29:01 <Philderbeast> nice
29:02 <mannequin> the death star is six it revolves the never never to manipulate
29:07 <Philderbeast> i need 7 tables for my first
29:13 <mannequin> fucks the system
29:24 <mannequin> incase they wanna get smart
29:44 <mannequin> it redeems fuckall
30:06 <Steven> i have no clue what you just said manne
30:08 <mannequin> it just lives plays normal roles in life
31:50 <Avatar> 6 tables away from 3rd star
32:18 <Steven> woot woot avatar!
32:24 <Avatar> can almost smell it
32:45 <Philderbeast> noice
32:59 <Philderbeast> how many are online tables?
33:16 <Avatar> almost all of them
33:35 <Philderbeast> prefer online gm to face to face
33:38 <Avatar> ah
33:42 <Avatar> it's actually 5 tables
33:43 <Philderbeast> ?
33:48 <Avatar> darkwhite hasn't reported the one I did at unicon
35:49 <Steven> well one step closer!
38:25 <Philderbeast> do any of you Gm/play from the PFSCO google group?
39:03 <Philderbeast> or only here/face to face
39:11 <Steven> dunno what pfsco is
39:20 <Philderbeast> the google group i linked for my game
39:59 <Steven> now i gotta go click on that
40:29 <Steven> and no not really
40:37 <Steven> 2 game days a week is usually enough for me
41:15 <Philderbeast> yea i bet
41:21 <Steven> i mostly do pick up games when i have the energy for it.
41:23 <Philderbeast> i only get 1 every 2 weeks :(
07:42 <Avatar> I've played some games from the google group
08:05 <Avatar> some of them have come in here to play as well, not often though
08:32 <Avatar> with the online grand lodge forum on paizo, I think the google group is redundant
10:39 <Steven> i could always make my barb into a fighter pick up another feat
12:14 <Steven> would lose 1hp a level and lose rage...
58:02 <Steven> suuuuuuuup
58:11 <Philderbeast> the roof?
58:33 <Philderbeast> sorry couldnt help myself
58:34 <Steven> thats subject to your frame or reference
58:44 <Steven> of reference even
01:08 <Steven> i think i'm actually gonna make a paladin!
04:30 <Philderbeast> i made one but im not sure i am going to keep it as that
04:44 <Philderbeast> not sure i can do the lawfull good thing
05:21 <Steven> thats why i keep avoiding playing one, Lawful Neutral no problem, Lawful Good blah!
05:43 <Philderbeast> im more chaonic neutral
05:59 <Philderbeast> my6 neutral good cleric is a stretch
06:15 <Steven> im totes LE
06:42 <Philderbeast> im thinking of shifting my cleric to CG
10:16 <Steven> a Suli Paladin!
11:09 <Avatar> why CG
11:17 <Avatar> who's your deity
11:28 <Philderbeast> sarenrae so its still leagal
11:37 <Avatar> that's a dumb deity
11:42 <Philderbeast> more cause it suits more playstyle better
11:44 <Avatar> why not choose caylin
11:50 <Avatar> wait is that his name
11:52 <Avatar> cayden
11:52 <Philderbeast> its my first char?
11:58 <Avatar> ok forget that
12:01 <Avatar> you don't want sarenrae
12:05 <Avatar> you want cayden cailean
12:08 <Philderbeast> and i didnt really know what i was doign when i made her
12:08 <Steven> the drunk god!
12:21 <Avatar> the guy who became a god, by accident, while drunk, on a dare
12:31 <Philderbeast> lol
12:41 <Avatar> forget sarenrae
13:00 <Avatar> sarenrae and her forgiving flowers
13:06 <Avatar> nobody gives a crap about that
13:29 <Steven> my life oracle would be so sad to hear you say that avatar.
13:39 <Avatar> your life oracle is boring
13:53 <Philderbeast> yea i wont be making nother healer
13:57 <Avatar> does your life oracle worship cayden
14:13 <Steven> nope, but my gunslinger inquisitor does!
14:21 <Steven> he's against anyone being sober!
14:24 <Avatar> your life oracle is boring
15:09 <Philderbeast> i need to read about this guy
15:28 <Avatar> you certainly do
15:33 <Steven> avatar i wish you could come up here and play sometime mang
15:37 <Avatar> nobody told me about him, I had to find out the hard way
15:54 <Avatar> not even mekkis, who loves to drill roleplay into me
16:08 <Steven> http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Cayden_Cailean
23:40 <Philderbeast> thats gold!
24:10 <Avatar> yes
24:29 <Avatar> go to sarenrae's page and see how exciting she is
26:06 <Steven> hey, shes pretty cool really.
26:12 <Steven> She did kick the shit out of rovagug
27:05 <Avatar> that is dumb
27:18 <Avatar> that does not even remotely compare to cayden's backstory
27:40 <Avatar> every pc on golarion kicks the shit out of someone
28:49 <Steven> nobody is quite like rovagug
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41:39 <Avatar> I'm not driving anywhere for a con
42:00 <Avatar> I don't know if I'm even going to cons anymore after that last tragedy
45:25 <Mekkis> who?
45:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, I did tell you about Cayden
46:07 <Mekkis> Should I run some PFS tomorrow?
09:26 <Steven> think i've figured out a sweet backround
31:25 <Steven> time to see if there is an empyreal lord i actually like.
40:17 <CWheezy> tragedy?
42:29 <Avatar> got screwed by a GM in waking rune, then got TPK'd, then died without a hope and requires a resurrection to fix it
43:08 <Avatar> I only played 3 games and those were the results of each
43:43 <Avatar> the TPK was the best of the three, if only because it was only a dumb encounter in the scenario that was at fault
45:08 <CWheezy> some scenarios have dumb things
45:12 <CWheezy> one recently said
45:22 <CWheezy> and he uses power attack to inflict some damage!
45:29 <CWheezy> I am thinking to myself, all right
45:32 <CWheezy> I check his feats
45:36 <CWheezy> no power attack
05:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, have you looked at how you could have prevented the deaths?
10:05 <Avatar> well
10:12 <Avatar> there was no way to prevent the death of my witch except to not fight at all
10:31 <Mekkis> incorrect
10:49 <Mekkis> you can't just blame the GM for not softballing you
11:07 <Mekkis> well, you CAN. But you shouldn't
11:15 <Avatar> really
11:36 <Mekkis> what is Snickers doing in order to avoid being hit?
11:38 <Avatar> so it's okay to take someone from full health to nothing, hit them on the ground, even when the party is doing everything they can to resolve it
12:13 <Avatar> the whole party was right next to the bad guy threatening it
12:36 <Mekkis> all of whom the enemy did not have a snowball's chance in hell of hitting
12:54 <Avatar> I specifically misfortuned to buy them time to hit it
13:00 <Avatar> without having them die
13:27 <Mekkis> so, to reiterate the question. What is Snickers doing in order to avoid being hit?
13:45 <Avatar> you can't just say incorrect without coming back with what you think should've happened
14:10 <Avatar> there was nothing I could've done
14:39 <Mekkis> you could have flown higher.
14:52 <Avatar> wasn't it flying
15:11 <Mekkis> nope.
15:20 <Mekkis> You could have cast spells like Spite.
15:24 <Avatar> I was as far away as I could've been 
15:38 <Mekkis> or things like Symbol of Healing
16:15 <Avatar> am I meant to do that in every combat
16:37 <Mekkis> you're meant to have some method of avoiding being hit. It depends on the combat.
16:50 <Mekkis> Deceased, for instance, casts /mirror image/ a lot
17:04 <Avatar> I don't think it could've hit me if it wasn't flying
17:08 <Avatar> I was in the air
17:16 <CWheezy> mirror image should be a level 4 spell
17:19 <Mekkis> you were within its reach
17:20 <Avatar> it had to come down to hit me on the ground after grok healed me
17:24 <CWheezy> better than any ac
17:49 <Avatar> that seems like something I would specifically not do 
18:00 <Avatar> I always use flight to stay out of reach of the bad guys where possible
18:04 <Mekkis> I specifically asked you how high you were.
19:01 <Avatar> the thing is, even after that error that dropped me, that was fine, it was being hit on the ground which really bothers me about that encounter
19:03 <Mekkis> but if you don't look at how you could have prevented what killed you, you won't improve.
19:24 <Avatar> I always look at how I could have prevented it man
19:32 <Avatar> this one looked bleak
19:57 <Avatar> if I burn rounds doing things like casting spells so I can't be hit while my party is getting trashed, we aren't going to succeed
20:06 <Avatar> sometimes you have to take the risk you'll be hit
20:21 <Mekkis> you do that sort of thing before combat
20:36 <Avatar> what fun is the game if you do that, get dropped, and then when the party tries to fix the problem, the GM punishes it by killing the helpless guy
20:41 <Mekkis> hell, I've seen you burn rounds casting /mage armour/ in combat. That's inexcusable.
20:54 <Avatar> only when I can afford it
21:03 <Avatar> and that's rare
21:21 <Avatar> it's usually pointless to even get my 13 AC to 16 or 17
21:55 <Mekkis> sure. But it's no reason to just "hope the enemy won't try and hit me"
22:11 <CWheezy> mage armor is nice to cast on your heavy guys
22:11 <Avatar> that isn't what I have a problem with
22:18 <CWheezy> if you see a ghost
22:29 <CWheezy> so in that case, i would be fine with it
24:46 <Mekkis> but most of those defensive spells last minutes/level
25:06 <Steven> answer not really for this character
25:40 <Avatar> any news on waking rune by the way
25:45 <Mekkis> nope
25:53 <Avatar> what's the last we've heard
26:04 <Avatar> anything after ashley's second reply
26:54 <Mekkis> haven't sent anything to him
28:09 <Avatar> no I mean anything to stephen 
28:19 <Avatar> obviously ashley doesn't want any more of it
28:46 <Avatar> or is john's word final
28:58 <Avatar> or does nobody know
29:15 <Mekkis> I haven't received a response. Why don't you ask him?
29:17 <Avatar> it's starting to sound like nobody cares anymore
29:25 <Avatar> I will ask him if none of you are following up
34:54 <Mekkis> maybe you should.
40:36 <CWheezy> hey avatar did you see the math on misfires for a gunslinger
41:05 <CWheezy> for the people saying you can get 16 aops in a round, or 14 attacks pre level 11
41:07 <CWheezy> er, 13
41:21 <Avatar> no, I usually don't care about it
41:27 <Avatar> anything interesting come out of it?
41:41 <Avatar> I kind of like that misfires can occur on my gun
41:45 <Mekkis> errata to the weapon cord, to make it less broken
41:53 <CWheezy> 1.8% chance to get all 14 attacks
42:11 <CWheezy> without a misfire somewhere
42:20 <Avatar> what about 7 attacks
42:27 <CWheezy> ~9
42:31 <Mekkis> what's your misfire chance?
42:31 <CWheezy> roughly
42:33 <CWheezy> let me check
42:38 <Avatar> mine is 1-3
42:43 <CWheezy> I assumed 1-3
43:02 <Mekkis> 0.85^7
43:16 <Mekkis> 32% chance
43:19 <CWheezy> *.15
43:43 <CWheezy> done sequentially, instead of all at once
43:48 <Mekkis> what's the *.15 for?
44:22 <CWheezy> ie (.85^0)*.15 is the first shot
44:26 <Mekkis> the probability of something not occuring in n trials is (1-p)^n
44:42 <Mekkis> you don't need the*.15
45:30 <Avatar> don't pistoleros usually only misfire on a 1
45:37 <Avatar> with a reliable gun
45:42 <Mekkis> and there's a 10% chance to get off 14 attacks
46:01 <Avatar> it'd be funny if they banned the reliable enchantment
46:23 <Mekkis> what about banning alchemical cartridges
46:31 <Avatar> that would be shit
46:40 <CWheezy> reliable is probably worse than lucky
46:42 <Avatar> you may as well ban guns
46:58 <Avatar> what's lucky do
47:16 <CWheezy> reroll misfire, once a day
47:25 <Avatar> forget once a day
47:38 <Mekkis> I'm happy with the weapon cord errata. That's good.
47:50 <Avatar> yeah it's pretty good
50:38 <Avatar> I don't remember you telling me about cayden
50:50 <Avatar> that seems like something I would remember
52:26 <Mekkis> pretty sure I did. Grolschmir certainly did
52:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, interested in PFS tomorrow?
54:08 <Avatar> no
54:29 <Mekkis> what's on?
54:49 <Avatar> I bought a car a couple of days ago and I have things to do before I get it
54:56 <Avatar> like sell my old one
57:54 <Mekkis> what sort?
58:00 <Mekkis> manual?
58:17 <Avatar> this little beotch: http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/reviews/carreviews/8659909/review-volkswagen-golf-90tsi
58:36 <Mekkis> new?
58:48 <Steven> thats what you're buying?
59:01 <Avatar> yeah that's what I'm buying
59:02 <Avatar> brand new
59:18 <Mekkis> how much?
59:45 <Steven> why you wanna buy a golf?
00:04 <Avatar> golfs are sweet
00:15 <Avatar> little over $20k
00:27 <Mekkis> Avatar, now the question is: When's the roadtrip to Canberra?
00:46 <boris> hhehehe
01:56 <Avatar> most likely never
02:04 <Steven> i dont think i would even fit in a golf....
03:06 <Mekkis> wrong answer
03:12 <Mekkis> next in line is the spring-loaded wrist sheath
04:29 <Avatar> no that one will stay as is
04:56 <Avatar> unless you make a thread called Just ban spring loaded wrist sheathes for pity's sake
04:58 <Mekkis> why? it's the ONLY mundane item that uses swift actions.
05:10 <Mekkis> brb. making thread...
05:14 <Avatar> ha
17:28 <Avatar> why would I go to canberra
17:38 <Avatar> there's nothing even there
20:53 <Steven> avatar you should drive to.... someplace cool.
21:06 <Avatar> it will already be parked at my place
21:28 <Steven> yeah so you should go someplace cool
25:05 <Mekkis> like Brisbane
25:11 <Mekkis> for Paizoconoz
26:17 <Steven> or a whorehouse.
28:41 <Mekkis> prostitution isn't cool.
30:12 <Steven> unless you're in the arctic
43:57 <Mekkis> I'm happy about the ruling on weapon cords
44:10 <Mekkis> now let's get one on the wrist sheaths
51:23 <Mekkis> (not there's only one mundane item that cares about swift actions)
54:42 <CWheezy> nerfing mundanes all day erry day
58:27 <Mekkis> Displaying a firm commitment towards correcting broken items, mundane and magical.
58:57 <CWheezy> have bracers of falcon's aim been fixed yet
59:12 <Mekkis> no, but they've been banned in the interim
59:30 <CWheezy> yeah this was a pathfinder change, not pfs only
59:43 <CWheezy> too be fair, falcon's aims bracers are actually fair
59:53 <CWheezy> just bracers of archery cost too much
00:11 <Mekkis> define "actually fair"
00:18 <Mekkis> I'd say that they're still too cheap
00:25 <CWheezy> the bracers are not too good
00:32 <Mekkis> if you removed the Improved Critical bit, I'd say they'd be reasonable
00:36 <CWheezy> 5000 gold for +1 to hit is too much
01:20 <Mekkis> arguable
01:45 <CWheezy> it costs 300 for +1 to hit
01:59 <Mekkis> it costs 300 for the first +1 enhancement bonus to hit
02:10 <CWheezy> yep
02:12 <Mekkis> which doesn't stack with other enhancement bonuses
02:19 <CWheezy> ok
02:22 <Mekkis> !item bracers of archery
02:23 <diebot> Mekkis, BRACERS OF ARMOR +1 [moderate conjuration] CL:7 wrists 1000gp, 1lb
02:23 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/bracers_of_armor_+1.html
02:28 <Mekkis> !item bracers of archery, lesser
02:29 <diebot> Mekkis, BRACERS OF ARCHERY, LESSER [faint transmutation] CL:4 wrists 5000gp, 1lb
02:29 <diebot> These wristbands appear similar to greater bracers of archery, though they are typically constructed of lighter material. They function as greater bracers of archery, except they grant a +1 competence bonus on attack rolls and no bonus on damage rolls. Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:48 <CWheezy> you are correct in your statements
03:19 <Mekkis> %%%SELECT NAME FROM ITEM WHERE FullText like '%competence bonus on attack%';
04:02 <diebot> Ioun Stone, pale green prism; Bracers Of Archery, Greater; Bracers Of Archery, Lesser; Gauntlets Of Skill At Arms
04:28 <Mekkis> there are only four items that provide a competence bonus to attack
04:42 <CWheezy> that is a correct statement as well
05:19 <CWheezy> lol skill at arms is 30,000
05:34 <CWheezy> for "be an elf"
06:13 <Mekkis> there are very few stackable methods of improving attack with items
06:27 <CWheezy> right
07:03 <Steven> unarmored AC is 20 base
07:14 <Mekkis> or are you one of those people who thinks that a ring that provides continuous /Shield/ should cost 4000gp?
07:30 <Mekkis> as CRB 550 suggests
07:33 <CWheezy> the ring of force shield?
07:51 <Mekkis> no, a ring that continuously provides a /Shield/ effect
07:52 <CWheezy> oh that is 8500
07:59 <CWheezy> well I am ready for your argument
08:00 <Mekkis> a hypothetical ring
08:08 <CWheezy> so far it is a ring of shield would be too good
08:26 <Mekkis> why do you think Bracers of Falcon's Aim is reasonably costed?
08:52 <Mekkis> the typical argument is "CRB550 says so"
09:05 <CWheezy> oh, I just think the bonuses are relatively small
09:35 <Mekkis> Improved Critical is "relatively small"?
09:41 <CWheezy> flat +2 enhancement is probably pretty close, and gets you closer to key enhancement bonuses
09:51 <CWheezy> actually yeah
10:06 <Mekkis> a +1 keen weapon is 8300
10:28 <CWheezy> yeah, keen is usually a bad enchant
11:30 <Steven> AC 30 buffed.
11:49 <CWheezy> same with flaming, acid, etc
11:59 <CWheezy> good on bad guys when you don't care though
12:58 <CWheezy> it looks really good though, but having to confirm criticals actually lowers the damage a lot
13:50 <Mekkis> how does an increased crit range lower damage?
14:00 <CWheezy> sorry, lowers the potential damage
14:04 <Mekkis> ?
14:08 <CWheezy> ugh
14:17 <CWheezy> ok it looks like it will raise your damage by a lot
14:23 <CWheezy> more crits right?
14:32 <CWheezy> but because of confirmation, it is less than you think it would be
14:48 <Mekkis> confirmation is just as hard as hitting
15:35 <CWheezy> yes, exactly
15:50 <Mekkis> so it shouldn't be an issue
16:06 <Mekkis> it's effectively getting a bunch of extra attacks that ignore DR
16:37 <Mekkis> given that I don't know your idea of "balance", it's hard to make a statement based on it
29:54 <CWheezy> ok
30:02 <CWheezy> so I made a fighter archer at 10
31:03 <CWheezy> his full attack with no bracers of either type
31:24 <CWheezy> is 54.18 dpr
31:48 <CWheezy> with bracers goes to 58.80
31:52 <CWheezy> bracers of archery
32:12 <CWheezy> with bracers of aim, it goes to 62.78
32:29 <CWheezy> so for archer man, it is roughly 4 dpr more
32:43 <CWheezy> that isn't a whole lot
32:59 <CWheezy> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b0uljgqr6ggi7ay/Archer%20Man.pdf
33:03 <CWheezy> there is archer man at level 10
33:13 <CWheezy> dual talented human
33:16 <CWheezy> 20 pb
34:19 <CWheezy> I could have gone 14 str, and both stat ups into dex, which is slightly higher dps, but I like having a better greatsword option
35:11 <CWheezy> 5000g for 4 more damage total over 4 attacks doesn't seem like very much
36:27 <CWheezy> 2500 seems more appropraite
36:58 <CWheezy> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b0uljgqr6ggi7ay/Archer%20Man.pdf 
37:06 <CWheezy> hmmm, why is that link not doing the right thing
37:24 <CWheezy> http://bit.ly/19XmOHV
39:19 <Steven> So, my character is a real housewife of Taldor.
41:04 <Steven> wears a silk 'gown' in the fashion of Jalmeray
41:04 <Mekkis> keep in mind that magic items are priced for their most useful case, not the least useful case
41:14 <Steven> which is where she is from
41:16 <CWheezy> also, the damage of the feat improved critical changes damage from 54.18 to 57.84
42:15 <Mekkis> in the case of the bracers of archery, their most useful case is when used by someone not proficient with a bow
43:22 <CWheezy> I think the feat is the weakest part
43:37 <CWheezy> feats are quite weak already
44:22 <Steven> Her husband has controlling interest in several mining operations in the Five Kings Mountain Range which has propelled the family to more illustrious claims even allowing her husband to grow a beard.
45:08 <CWheezy> hopefully archer man is a fair example, I took some defensive feats and a lot of points in wis
45:51 <Steven> And rumor holds he may be granted a title sometime soon.
46:22 <CWheezy> hmmm, I am trying to think of classes that want to be an archer but can't
47:06 <CWheezy> a lot of classes have a shortbow instead of longbow, and the damage decrease from the smaller die is 54.18 to 51.66
47:19 <CWheezy> clerics can worship erastil, but that is limiting
47:47 <Steven> She of course supports her husband but his long absences on business trips have let her cultivate her own interests and after a time she found the Pathfinder Society.
48:04 <CWheezy> ha ha, general Susumu
48:22 <Steven> Her friends of course all thought it was a wonderful idea and so a group of them joined up.
48:40 <Mekkis> you're giving me figures. But you're still not giving me any objective evidence to show that +1 to-hit, +3 to perception, and improved critical is reasonably priced for 4000gp
48:52 <Mekkis> in a largely unused slot
49:03 <CWheezy> oh, I thought the figures were self evident
49:34 <CWheezy> over a full attack, you can do 4 more damage by paying 5000g
49:37 <Mekkis> there's nothing that says "5000gp is too much for this"
49:51 <Mekkis> you need to provide other uses of 5000gp that would be better
50:10 <Mekkis> opportunity cost
50:14 <CWheezy> bracers of archery
50:16 <CWheezy> er
50:19 <CWheezy> falcons aim, obv
50:47 <CWheezy> a belt of dex is fair I think
50:59 <Mekkis> by that logic, you've shown that the bracers are broken, as they are cheaper and provide more
50:59 <CWheezy> reflex, ac, init are all pretty important
51:23 <CWheezy> no, I am saying what they provide is very tiny
51:35 <CWheezy> and they have a massive massive cost
51:36 <Mekkis> sure, but enhancement bonus to weapons, enhancement bonus to abilities are "assumed". You can't say they stack.
51:39 <Steven> Shes been called moody by her friends but never to her face.  Once during a practice match someone actually hit her and after she calmed down she pulled the poor bastard from a wall and healed all of his injuries on the spot.  Infatuated though the boy was he's not risked getting in the ring with her again.
51:48 <Steven> BOOM backstory complete.  Lets play!
51:54 <Mekkis> unless you can show that otherwise one wouldn't get the belt of dex
52:42 <CWheezy> can you clarify assumed for me
52:51 <CWheezy> I am not sure what you mean
53:27 <CWheezy> clarify that entire statement
54:42 <Mekkis> would a character considering buying bracers of falcon's aim not already have or be in the process of getting the belt or the weapon enhancement bonus regardless?
56:23 <CWheezy> well, at that point, you could choose between them
58:42 <CWheezy> I think something important to note is that the bracers of falcons aim are much better for full bab classes
58:45 <CWheezy> same with improved critical
59:20 <CWheezy> the feat
01:28 <Avatar> everything is better for full bab classes
01:49 <CWheezy> yeah damn those mundanes
01:51 <CWheezy> ruining everything
02:03 <Avatar> I like spring loaded wrist sheathes
02:15 <CWheezy> those are good for everyone, actually
02:23 <Avatar> let's ban them :(
02:30 <CWheezy> probably can't put scrolls in there
02:36 <Avatar> I reckon you can
02:47 <CWheezy> yeah I don't know what the problem is eactually?
02:53 <CWheezy> people drinking and moving?
03:02 <Avatar> if I wanted to be an asshole GM then you definitely can't
04:02 <Avatar> I just don't see a sprung breath of life scroll being such an OP option that should make it that disallowable
04:22 <Avatar> the idea that it breaks scrolls is a borderline idea, err on the side of having more fun time with the game
04:33 <CWheezy> it seems more fun to let clerics pay a gold tax than a spell slot tax
04:57 <Avatar> I really can't imagine telling a player they can't use these ready-made items due to some dumb technicality
05:11 <Avatar> which is based entirely on point of view
06:55 <Mekkis> it's a broken item. The best I can do it make it less powerful.
07:03 <Mekkis> and enforce it as written
08:22 <Mekkis> or "Don't get into a position where Breath of Life is required"
08:36 <Brunius> pfft
08:38 <Brunius> you're no fun
08:39 <Avatar> fun time must end as quickly as possible !!!!!!
08:49 <CWheezy> yeah mundane things can't simulate magic
08:51 <CWheezy> that would be wrong
09:07 <CWheezy> hold on let me check my phone, I got a picture from someone else
09:13 <Brunius> How am I possibly meant to charge the enemy if I'm not gonna be BoL'd
09:14 <CWheezy> it got to my phone through the air
09:26 <Avatar> haha
10:59 <Mekkis> oh, and Avatar...
11:10 <Mekkis> Ryan Costello Jr was feeling pretty bad due to your review.
13:31 <Avatar> did he post something
18:47 <Avatar> not that I can see
27:04 <Mekkis> no. Private correspondence with a VC
30:52 <Avatar> john messaged me about ways to improve that encounter
31:56 <Avatar> it's good to know he didn't just think oh well another one bites the dust
32:06 <Avatar> more GMs should be like that
34:23 <Steven> sup
35:23 <Avatar> steve
35:32 <Avatar> to the n
36:00 <Steven> please be aware i have a migraine, im going to be dense... to the n
40:58 <Avatar> this has been noted
41:32 <Philderbeast> on the spring loaded sheath's issue for scrolls could you not make it a let the dice decide when they attempt to draw the breath of life scroll?
42:11 <Avatar> starts getting complicated
42:16 <Philderbeast> ie the spring does X damage to the scroll as it releases it?
42:32 <Avatar> then you start asking what other items should have exceptions like that
42:35 <Steven> no philder because that runs the risk of letting a dice cost a person a thousand gold.
42:41 <Philderbeast> could be an interesting RP thing if the player has to decide if its worth the risk that it might be damaged
43:00 <Avatar> you can't introduce too much realism into the game or it gets stupid
43:01 <Philderbeast> if you le the player know in advance before the load the scroll its there shoice
43:15 <Steven> and if memory servest scrolls have zero hardness and 2 hit points
43:47 <Steven> so even if its 1d2 points of damage, when you release the scroll theres a 50% chance of it not working.
44:09 <Philderbeast> so you let the player know that and they can chose to take that risk if they want
44:37 <Mekkis> a mundane item should be achievable with today's technology
44:47 <Philderbeast> it is...
45:20 <Mekkis> show me where I can get a spring loaded wrist sheath
45:23 <Steven> thats not a risk thats acceptable to make a player take... the most common use for a spring loaded wrist sheath is a scroll of breath of life.
45:49 <Philderbeast> your not making the player take the risk, your just giving them the option
46:13 <Avatar> it's fair to say that if batman can have it, it's achievable
47:04 <Philderbeast> and noting im struggling to find the book its from on the Paizo site....
47:15 <Avatar> adventurer's armory
47:16 <Philderbeast> unless im just blind
47:21 <Avatar> it's hard to find
47:31 <Philderbeast> i know the book....
47:31 <Steven> its in AA
47:40 <Philderbeast> i just couldnt find it in the store
47:40 <Avatar> it's not in the PRD
47:56 <Avatar> you can't find the book in the store?
48:02 <Mekkis> there's a reason it isn't in Ultimate Equipment
48:02 <Philderbeast> nope
48:14 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8dmf?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Adventurers-Armory
48:21 <Avatar> armory without the u
49:58 <Avatar> the pickle extractor didn't make it to UE either
50:23 <Mekkis> the wrist sheath did
50:42 <Avatar> pump water canister, not in there
50:51 <Avatar> a lot of things did
50:54 <Avatar> some things didn't
51:31 <Steven> alright, found it a scroll has ac9, hardness 0, and 1 hit point.
51:49 <Avatar> AC 9
51:53 <Avatar> does it dodge blows
52:01 <Avatar> or wear armor
52:22 <Philderbeast> lol
52:26 <Steven> so if a spring loaded wrist sheath does any damage it becomes a scrap of paper that worthless.
55:52 <Mekkis> tiny object, no dex
55:55 <Mekkis> I'm guessing
56:09 <Steven> dunno
56:14 <Mekkis> +4 size bonus, -5 dex
56:27 <Steven> i think that sounds about right mekkis
58:51 <Mekkis> the "spring-loaded wrist sheath issue" is not that scrolls can't go in there, it's that it gives a massive action economy bonus for effectively nothing.
58:57 <Philderbeast> so with the spring loaded sheath is the idea to move to the player, pull it out as a swift then cast it on who needs it?
59:12 <Philderbeast> so you can potentally revive them in one turn?
59:18 <Avatar> yeah
59:31 <Avatar> full round action to reload something in your hand into it
00:21 <Steven> yes philder, thats why its mostly been left to YMMV because its on the fringe of whats allowed
00:39 <Steven> and its saved a lot of people's characters.
03:58 <Philderbeast> i acctully kind of like the idea of that... i was just going to prepare the spell though
04:57 <Philderbeast> ahhh and you only have 1 round to breath of life in if im reading this correcly
05:57 <Steven> yes, only one round which is why people hotly contest the scroll in spring loaded wrist sheath
05:59 <Mekkis> and then people go "if scrolls can fit, why not potions"
07:18 <Steven> yeah some people do that.
08:07 <Philderbeast> that i would argue would not be forarm sized.....
09:48 <Philderbeast> im looking at alignment channel, does the type of energy you can channel effect if you can harm the chosen alignment?
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31:22 <Brunius> You can harm every alignment
31:34 <Brunius> I've channelled evilmans to death
31:43 <Brunius> with neg energy
31:53 <Philderbeast> wonderfull thats exatly what i was hoping for
32:28 <Brunius> There's some that are healed by negative energy
32:31 <Brunius> eg undead, dhampir
32:43 <Philderbeast> yea i have channel positive for them ;)
32:44 <Brunius> just keep that in mind
32:48 <Brunius> uh
32:54 <Brunius> can't you only channel one type?
33:03 <Brunius> or have you got a feat or something?
33:05 <Philderbeast> channel alignment is another feet
33:14 <Brunius> !feat channel alignment
33:14 <diebot> Brunius, CHANNEL SMITE [Combat]Prereq:  Channel energy class feature.  You can channel your divine energy through a melee weapon you wield.
33:14 <diebot> Benefit:  Before you make a melee attack roll, you can choose to spend one use of your channel energy ability as a swift action. If you channel positive energy and you hit an undead creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel positive energy ability. If you channel negative energy and you
33:15 <diebot> hit a living creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel negative energy ability. Your target can make a Will save, as normal, to halve this additional damage. If your attack misses, the channel energy ability is still expended with no effect. Source: Core
33:18 <Steven> versatile channeler 
33:21 <Brunius> oh right yeah
34:31 <Steven> at our store we have a flying aasimar that uses channel push/pull effects to pick enemies off the ground with damage and then they also take fall damage
34:44 <Steven> its pretty funny
35:15 <Philderbeast> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/alignment-channel---final
35:18 <Philderbeast> thats what im looking at
36:06 <Brunius> I'm not sure how that lets you channel something different to normal
36:27 <Philderbeast> thats why im asking
36:48 <Mekkis> it's untyped damage
37:04 <Brunius> Sorry, you asked earlier in regards to alignment, which I don't believe has any effect on channels
37:26 <Mekkis> no DR, no energy resistance
37:44 <Mekkis> Channel resistance applies, but it's unlikely to come up
37:52 <Brunius> From what I'm reading of this feat (and I may be wrong, Steven or Mekkis will probably tell me if I am), it takes your prechosen channel type, positive or negative, and applies it
38:09 <Mekkis> nope
38:19 <Mekkis> when you choose to channel, you choose to heal, or you choose to harm
38:20 <Brunius> With alignment not having any effect beyond the initial choice
38:39 <Mekkis> just like when you choose to channel positive, you choose to heal, or to channel undead.
39:02 <Steven> with alignment channel you choose a subtype of outsider(evil, good, lawful, chaotic) and only those who match the alignment are effected by the channel.
39:19 <Brunius> you know what
39:28 <Brunius> I've got my opinion, then mekkis and steven appear to have theirs
39:32 <Brunius> none of this seems to match up
39:45 <Brunius> so i'm gonna throw my arms up in the air and say it's too hard
39:51 <Steven> alignment channels effect is restricting the channel to creatures of that alignment.
39:55 <Brunius> Sorry Philderbeast 
39:57 <Philderbeast> the was i first read it was regardless of your energy type you could heal/harm them
40:05 <Philderbeast> but im after opinionts
40:15 <Philderbeast> dont be its good to see opinions
40:47 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, are you after opinions, or after information as to how it actually works?
41:37 <Brunius> (are you after opinions, or mekkis' opinion in particular :P)
41:43 <Philderbeast> well both
41:55 <Philderbeast> RAW us what i want for PFS
42:04 <Philderbeast> but also what [people are going to saty when i try and do it
42:28 <Mekkis>   Channeling energy causes a burst that affects all
42:28 <Mekkis> creatures of one type (either undead or living) in a 30-foot
42:28 <Mekkis> radius centered on the cleric.
42:57 <Mekkis> basically replace "undead or living" with "outsider of the specified alignment"
43:27 <Brunius> ...turns out I'm bad at reading
43:38 <Philderbeast> yea so if i pick alignment channel Evil, i can now use my channels to harm deamons
45:16 <Steven> yes you could pick alignment channel evil to channel negative energy(if you can channel negative energy normally) to effect outsiders with the evil outsider subtype.
45:44 <Steven> without harming anyone that doesnt have that alignment subtype
45:49 <Philderbeast> the way im reading it positive/negative doesnt come in to it
45:59 <Steven> i hope i said that right.
46:16 <Philderbeast> but yes that seems right
46:43 <Steven> well you still have to be able to channel positive/negative energy to channel that specific type.
47:01 <Steven> all alignment channel does is add a targeting filter.
48:55 <Philderbeast> nstead of its normal effect, you can choose to have your ability to channel energy heal or harm outsiders of the chosen alignment subtype.
49:18 <Philderbeast> that reads to me like the positive/negative doesnt come in to it
50:31 <Philderbeast> since its instead of channeling positive energy (in my case) to heal/harm
51:20 <Steven> i dunno then, go look on the boards cause thats how it was explained to me.
53:00 <Philderbeast> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l2jm?Channel-Energy-and-Alignment-Channel-Feat thats the first thread i find
55:12 <Steven> ill just ask some venture officers, im sure they have run across this before
55:30 <Philderbeast> that would be great
01:15 <Steven> so far only one person has chimed in.
04:03 <Steven> they seem to think it will allow you to channel to harm/heal the specified alignment subtype.
04:19 <Steven> doesnt matter your normal channel.
04:25 <Steven> so go for it.
09:02 <Philderbeast> yea im thinking it will be a good pick for season 5, and work well for her story
09:36 <Steven> they also seem to think banishment is a better pick.
09:46 <Steven> for action economy.
10:19 <Philderbeast> but htats a lvl 6 spell...
10:28 <Philderbeast> and i cant cast those yet :P
10:52 <Steven> pfffft noob.
11:11 <Philderbeast> im lvl 3 lol
11:18 <Philderbeast> and ill be picking htat up at lvl 4
11:23 <Steven> nooooooooooooooooooooooob
11:31 <Steven> dont you mean level 5
11:40 <Philderbeast> yea that one
11:44 <Philderbeast> next feet choice
11:50 <Philderbeast> i was just checking that
12:36 <Philderbeast> considering i cant cast lvl 6 spells till lvl 11.... it might be a while
18:00 <Philderbeast> im fairly lasy i just do what hero lab tells me to level up my char
20:01 <Steven> damn it i cant remember what the VCs name in taldor is
22:51 <Mekkis> you should actually know what it's doing
23:41 <Philderbeast> i have a vauge direction for her....
23:44 <Philderbeast> but its cauge
23:51 <Philderbeast> vague
24:32 <Philderbeast> and im not tryingf to minmax her
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53:16 <MekkisScreen> Anyone want some PFS this evening?
53:23 <Steven> finished writing up my backstory!
53:26 <Steven> oorah!
53:31 <Philderbeast> sure
54:10 <Mekkis> Steven, can you give circumstance bonuses based on background?
54:28 <Steven> GM discretion
54:56 <Mekkis> great
55:09 <Mekkis> I was looking at making an ex-aspis member
55:18 <MekkisScreen> anyone else?
55:22 <MekkisScreen> and what should I prep?
55:36 <Philderbeast> im lvl 3.... past that i dont care
56:07 <Steven> if somebody's backround states they grew up in Oppara and you're doing a scenario that's in Oppara, i know i would throw a +2-5 bonus on any kn Local/Diplo checks
57:15 <Steven> i would love to play,but sadly, theres only 3 games i can play.
57:27 <Mekkis> what are they>
57:51 <Steven> 5-01 5-04 and 5-05
58:01 <Mekkis> I have 5-05 prepped
58:45 <Steven> that one is elven entanglement if memory serves
58:50 <Mekkis> correct
59:31 <Philderbeast> si dont have anything that high :(
59:45 <Mekkis> 5-01 is glass river, right?
59:46 <Steven> yeah its a 7-11
59:50 <Steven> yes.
00:03 <Philderbeast> i can play the other 2 though
00:30 <Mekkis> start at, say, 1900
00:41 <Mekkis> if we can pick up another player
00:52 <Philderbeast> for glass river?
00:58 <Mekkis> m
01:13 <Philderbeast> or ?
01:37 <Mekkis> the other one's Stolen Heir
01:47 <Mekkis> and you really should play that one in-person
02:10 <Mekkis> I would also feel bad about running it without at least 48 hours prep
02:11 <Steven> yeah its a lot of fun in person.
02:38 <Philderbeast> tell me what your gming and ill try and find more players
02:41 <Mekkis> it was one of the best scenarios I've played this year
09:52 <Philderbeast> so what am i asking for players for?
12:24 <Mekkis> glass river
16:40 <Steven> ill be back in a bit. gonna go get myself something to eat.
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32:57 <Steven> decided to make chicken enchilladas.
45:39 <Philderbeast> yummy6
48:34 <Philderbeast> a
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03:03 <Philderbeast> so was anyone else interested in glass river rexsue tonight?
05:50 <CWheezy> sorry, I have to work
05:56 <CWheezy> also, my gm star was taking away from me
12:07 <Philderbeast> thats of we can get you it again ;)
14:09 <Steven> yeah gettin stars aint hard.
14:28 <Philderbeast> particularly the first
14:34 <Philderbeast> although i understand you would be frustrated
16:25 <Philderbeast> not that star replays are terribly usefull.
26:30 <Philderbeast> do people normal spend there Prestige? or save it for that suddent requirement to be resserected?
27:58 <Steven> i usually either save 20 prestige or 6400 gold.
33:19 <Steven> other than that i usually spend it on stuff
33:41 <Philderbeast> what sort of stuff?
33:50 <Steven> vanities
34:09 <Steven> wands, potions, scrolls
41:26 <Philderbeast> wow i just relied how broken abundand ammunition is for gunslingers
42:04 <Philderbeast> at 6+ shots a turn that would be a massive saving
43:50 <Steven> yup... good ole abundant ammunition
44:43 <Philderbeast> the more i read the more broken things im finind thast aare available :)
45:25 <Steven> changin out a feat!
50:24 <Philderbeast> im going to be full of questsions for a while, im reading through the CRB to brush up a little and want to make sure i have things right
50:31 <Philderbeast> for a full round attack
50:44 <Philderbeast> to attack more then once i need to have a BAB of 6+?
52:09 <Steven> yes
52:23 <Philderbeast> cool
52:45 <Philderbeast> and i take 5 off my bab for each susssive attach will i dont have any left
56:33 <Steven> you can make an extra attack at 6, 11, and 16
06:00 <Philderbeast> cool thats how i was reading it
14:04 <Mekkis> do we have players?
14:13 <Philderbeast> not yet
14:26 <Mekkis> Up to a maximum of 4 attacks derived from BAB
14:59 <Philderbeast> where else can attacks be devrived from
15:24 <Mekkis> two- weapon fighting
15:33 <Mekkis> natural attacks
15:41 <Mekkis> rapid sot
16:36 <Philderbeast> where would i find stuff on natural attacks
17:23 <Philderbeast> cause i think that what im looking for for the next thing i wanted to look into
17:50 <Mekkis> what are you trying?
17:58 <Mekkis> generally natural attacks are on monsters
18:00 <Philderbeast> to know the rules better?
18:14 <Mekkis> it's in chapter 8
18:16 <Philderbeast> i was thinking for my sorc when he grows claws
18:41 <Philderbeast> and running monsters
19:39 <Mekkis> hey Philderbeast, any idea where I can get ammo boxes?
19:55 <Philderbeast> disposal stores usually
35:47 <Steven> yardsales and military surplus stores
36:32 <Philderbeast> i think there is a place in fishwick that has them
55:35 <Steven> enchilladas in the oven.
55:57 <Mekkis> ramen on the stove
57:05 <Steven> awesome...
57:39 <Mekkis> it's been there for about 23 hours now
57:47 <Mekkis> it'll be ready for dinner tomorrow
57:57 <Steven> thats what im talkin boot
17:22 <Philderbeast> noice
17:53 <Steven> i really dont like any of the feats i have found for my build.
18:07 <Avatar> who's running glass river rescue
18:08 <Steven> think i might end up defaulting to toughness
18:27 <Philderbeast> mekkis was going to avatar
19:02 <Philderbeast> but i may have to pull out :S
19:32 <Steven> well last i checked we didnt have the people to play it anyways.
19:39 <Philderbeast> yea
19:50 <Philderbeast> just incase avatar was going to give us enough
20:07 <Philderbeast> we never seem to have enough players for a game in here :(
21:34 <Steven> suppose i could take the feat that gets me an extra revelation/rage power
23:18 <Avatar> yeah no I'm out
34:57 <Steven> oh man, why didnt i think of it before... quickdraw!
35:56 <Steven> fuckin love quickdraw
36:00 <Steven> its so awesome.
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51:09 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Sup?
52:22 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Gots me a tablet
53:57 <Steven> cool
54:01 <Steven> i gots me enchilladas
54:34 <Mekkis> got me some ramen
54:52 <Steven> his will be ready tomorrow.
56:45 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> Probably
05:20 <Steven> so... how bout them weapon cords lol
12:45 <Steven> get to quick draw my scythe
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28:58 <Mekkis> "People may sell back the weapon cord at full price if they like, but no rebuilds due to the change of one piece of equipment. "
29:01 <Mekkis> :S
29:18 <Steven> yeah i lol'd pretty good
31:31 <Steven> Time to make purchases for my character
31:37 <Mekkis> yeah
31:41 <Mekkis> I can save 5sp!
32:06 <Steven> pretty sweet 
32:13 <Mekkis> Steven, for an animal companion, Furious Focus or Vital Strike as a feat?
32:41 * Steven shrug
32:49 <Steven> does it have more than one attack?
33:03 <Mekkis> no
33:13 <Steven> whats the damage dice?
33:18 <Mekkis> d8
33:35 <Steven> meh.... vital strike aint bad
37:38 <Steven> gonna have to go look and see if theres any cooler neck items for my character.
37:55 <Mekkis> or should I take something like Extra Item Slot :S
56:48 <Steven> hmmmmmm Furious on my weapon or +2 Ring of Protection/Amulet of Natural armor
57:13 <Mekkis> furious
06:21 <Steven> wish i played the enigma vaults with this character, would love to get a Noqual blade on her.
09:51 <Avatar> now I'm going to play enigma vaults to get a noqual blade
10:27 <Steven> go for it, they are pretty cool
10:31 <Avatar> what is it
11:44 <Steven> +500g cost and +1 enhancement bonus on damage  rolls against constructs and undead created by feats or spells
12:20 <Avatar> what do you mean +500gp cost
12:24 <Avatar> is it an enhancement or a weapon
12:32 <Steven> to the base cost of the weapon.
12:55 <Avatar> so 500gp cost
12:56 <Steven> the armor is pretty fuckin sweet if you dont cast spells.
13:43 <Steven> 500+weapon cost.
14:12 <Steven> its just a weapon that would be unique.
14:23 <Steven> the armor is where its at.
15:10 <Steven> but only if you're not a spellcaster
15:24 <Mekkis> how do you tell if a skeleton was created by a feat or a spell?
16:14 <Steven> well if theres a necromancer in the scenario/module chances are it was created by a feat or a spell
16:57 <Steven> but if ya run into a pack of ghouls, probably not.
17:10 <Steven> constructs are always created by feats or spells.
18:00 <Steven> so thats where the weapon's real benefit comes in.
18:24 <Mekkis> I'd rather the golembane scarab
18:36 <Steven> you can have both.
18:51 <Mekkis> sure, but there's an opportunity cost
19:01 <Steven> i still need to do the last level of thornkeep
20:32 <Steven> could be the next game i play with this character
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28:41 <Bloodlust> yo
29:07 <Bloodlust> Soo...weapon cords got nerfed lol.
29:32 <Bloodlust> Was there a party and parade in here? haha
30:07 <Mekkis> not exactly, but it's a long time coming
30:12 <Mekkis> are you disappointed?
30:31 <Bloodlust> I remember the conversation about weapon cords
30:51 <Bloodlust> I think a lot of people would be disappointed but I doubt anyone was overly surprised.
31:26 <Bloodlust> I had my first GM'ing experience and that went well
31:48 <Bloodlust> It's hard not to TPK people it seems - you really need to find ways not to do it.
33:08 <Mekkis> what were you running?
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33:57 <Bloodlust> Godsmouth Heresy
35:24 <Bloodlust> Have you played Feast of Ravenmoor before?
36:14 <Mekkis> nope
39:28 <Bloodlust> Would you like to?
40:02 <Mekkis> eventually, yes
40:15 <Bloodlust> Okay, just that I'm running it
40:34 <Mekkis> you know, you shouldn't try too hard to not TPK.
41:24 <Bloodlust> well it was my first game
41:39 <Mekkis> ah
42:36 <Mekkis> what I mean is that it can get obvious that you're softballing, and it ruins immersion
42:49 <Bloodlust> I agree
42:59 <Bloodlust> It was only one combat
43:04 <Bloodlust> But it was a tough combat
43:38 <Bloodlust> and I was already getting a bit miffed at one of the players who just seemed to know where all the secret doors were
48:29 <Mekkis> were they marked on the map, or was he metagaming?
51:48 <Steven> basically did he only ever search for secret doors when there were actually secret doors.
55:51 <Bloodlust> yes
56:13 <Bloodlust> because they were on the map I had to keep those areas blacked out
56:29 <Bloodlust> I've since learned to put the map in Paint and hide it
56:54 <Steven> yeah thats a pretty big dick move on his part.
57:10 <Bloodlust> That took him through the massive short cut to the BBEG
57:35 <Steven> yeah i would have had the tunnel be collapsed
57:39 <Bloodlust> Disappointed it was a fellow Aussie
57:59 <Steven> after X amount of feet since i knew he was metagaming.
59:00 <Bloodlust> "Well it's the end of the passage/corner of the room so it makes sense.  Take 20 on perception to look for secret doors, giving me a 25."
59:51 <Steven> oh so he spent effectively fourty five minutes in a room checking for a secret door.
00:14 <Bloodlust> No no, he went to the exact square next to it and searched the exact wall section
00:31 <Steven> i would have just told him he didnt find anythhing.
00:43 <Bloodlust> We're not really allowed to do that are we?
01:21 <Bloodlust> It was my first time GM'ing and I didn't want him putting in a complaint that I was "cheating" when he "looked after the game".
01:28 <Steven> circumstance bonus for the secrete entrance of the secret door of +whatever the fuck he cant make.  
02:10 <Bloodlust> It was purely because it was a blacked out section that I couldn't reveal that he knew where to look
02:33 <Bloodlust> Everyone else was happy to accept that it was a "wall"
02:35 <CWheezy> take 20 on perception is fine
02:51 <CWheezy> in 3.5 you had to search for a square
02:57 <CWheezy> in pathfinder that text was removed
03:22 <Bloodlust> I have no problem with anyone taking 20
03:27 <Steven> you're allowed to add circumstance bonus' and penalties due to the actions of PCs, and while giving his perception check the big middle finger might net you an email from the VC/Brock you then get to respond with the guy was metagaming due to technological constraints.
03:46 <CWheezy> uhhh
04:07 <Steven> and from speaking to brock personally he doesnt appreciate people cheating.
04:30 <Bloodlust> I just felt that I was being taken advantage of because it was my first game
04:53 <Bloodlust> Suffice to say, I don't want to GM for him again.
05:15 <Steven> typically what i do when theres a secret wall, i ask people to roll a perception check as they enter the room/come within 10ft of it.
05:26 <Steven> or just ask their passive perception
05:46 <Bloodlust> Yeah but when he goes right up to the exact section of wall and wants to take 20?
05:47 <Steven> then if they get it, hey theres a secret door right here.
05:52 <CWheezy> using the disguise rules would be ok
06:00 <Steven> if they dont, then the secret door doesnt exist.
06:04 <CWheezy> disguise is, all enemies use take 10
06:06 <CWheezy> for their perception
06:25 <Steven> then you ask for his character's reasoning behind searching for secret doors
06:32 <Bloodlust> Oh I did
06:33 <Bloodlust> see above
06:35 <CWheezy> his parents died that way
06:54 <Bloodlust> "Well it's the end of the passage/corner of the room so it makes sense.  Take 20 on perception to look for secret doors, giving me a 25."
07:03 <Bloodlust> "it's a logical place for one to be"
07:07 <CWheezy> yeah, just remember 20 minutes pass
07:19 <CWheezy> that actually might be fair
07:25 <Steven> no, its not reasonable unless he did it in every corner of the room.
07:34 <Steven> and in every room that he went into.
07:43 <Bloodlust> Oh I agree
07:52 <Steven> and you deny him the perception check.
08:00 <Bloodlust> but as I say, "first game" and I do believe that he was just taking advantage of that
08:27 <Steven> then move on with the game.  If he throws a bitch then you tell him to forward their complaints to the event organizer, venture officer, or Mike Brock.
09:29 <Bloodlust> It honestly soured my first experience
09:54 <Steven> that occasionally happens sir and i hope it doesnt turn you from GMing.
10:08 <Bloodlust> Well it did at the time
10:33 <Bloodlust> I've since built Feast of Ravenmoor and am looking forward to running that
11:28 <Steven> My first game i GM'd at the shop was absolutely atrocious.  #49 Among the Dead and i had 3 rules lawyers sitting at the table and they took me to town.
12:31 <Bloodlust> I was very open to more experienced Gms giving me help
12:44 <Bloodlust> I actually offered it for people who had Gmed for me in the past
12:52 <Steven> game took forever and i swore of GMing, and then next week walter asked me to GM again with different people and it was a freakin blast.
13:41 <Steven> 11 days and beast 4 comes out.....
14:28 <Bloodlust> well anyway, if anyone wants to play in Feast of Ravenmoor the link is here https://warhorn.net/events/pfs-vtt-online-gameday-1/schedule/2013/10/26
17:06 <Avatar> is that a module?
17:24 <Steven> yes its a module
18:00 <Steven> its recorded in my playing records as Feast of Douchemoor lol.  
19:47 <Bloodlust> yes it's a module
19:50 <Bloodlust> I quite like it
20:00 <Bloodlust> it's got a great boon and a very convenient magic item
20:13 <Steven> bloodlust #spoilers right now go go
32:55 <Bloodlust> So Avatar, you still not wanting to play modules?
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42:46 <Philderbeast> what times that here blood?
44:01 <Philderbeast> Bloodlust: what time it that slot here?
44:20 <Bloodlust> depends on where "here" is
44:32 <Philderbeast> canberra
44:43 <Bloodlust> well it's 11pm Perth time
44:45 <Philderbeast> well aussie tiem in general would help me out ;)
44:48 <Bloodlust> Saturday night
45:05 <Philderbeast> that makes it like a 1am start for me :(
45:10 <Steven> you're at +11 right
45:13 <Bloodlust> So you'd probably want a nap beforehand lol
45:17 <Bloodlust> I'm at +8
45:17 <Philderbeast> yea
45:34 <Philderbeast> 2 am start.... not going to happen in my house....
45:49 <Philderbeast> i guess ill stick with the session im down for then
46:04 <Bloodlust> I could maybe change it into the first time slot
46:29 <Bloodlust> The 1-6am slot (although of course it would go longer)
46:41 <Bloodlust> The only issue I'd have then is vikings
46:42 <Philderbeast> whats that work out like for you?
46:53 <Bloodlust> that'd be 1pm perth time
47:08 <Philderbeast> yea that would work for me better lol
47:15 <Philderbeast> on the friday?
47:27 <Bloodlust> no, saturday
47:39 <Philderbeast> hea that makes sence...
49:14 <Bloodlust> 1pm - 10pm Saturday, perth time
50:04 <Philderbeast> yea that would mke it 4pm to 1 am here....
50:08 <Philderbeast> doable....
51:52 <Bloodlust> what would you bring?
51:56 <Bloodlust> it's a 2-4
57:04 <Bloodlust> hey Philderbeast - what's your name?
20:13 <Avatar> yeah still not keen on modules
22:57 <Mekkis> didn't you like Ruby Phoenix?
23:03 <Mekkis> what about We Be Goblins?
27:02 <Steven> sup
28:07 <Avatar> those are exceptions
28:24 <Avatar> we be goblins too is in that list as well
29:00 <Steven> some modules are pretty fun.
29:17 <Bloodlust> this one is fun
29:31 <Bloodlust> You encourage me to Gm then don't come to any of my games :(
29:50 <Mekkis> Avatar, give me some examples of ones you didn't like
30:16 <Steven> i want to play the breaking chains and cult of ebon destroyers.
30:30 <Mekkis> I had prepped CoED
30:34 <Steven> but i've missed out on both of them when they were ran at the shop due to having to help my father.
31:48 <Avatar> I'm not keen on multi-slot games
32:17 <Mekkis> so your problem is not playing them, it's playing them online?
32:28 <Avatar> no, it's that they're multi-slot
32:38 <Avatar> I'd rather play online vs in person any day of the week
33:06 <Steven> i think the higher the level the more slots it takes to play/finish a game.
33:32 <Mekkis> I played Acadamae in one day
37:21 <Steven> so did we... the ones after that have taken more
38:56 <Avatar> one day is not one slot
44:49 <Steven> Tomb of the Iron medusa took 3 sessions
45:04 <Steven> that were like 4 hours each
45:18 <Steven> and then the Moonscar took 14 hours.
46:27 <Bloodlust> breaking chains has a good boon - I enjoyed that one
50:33 <Bloodlust> So what you're saying Avatar is that you have no "staying power"?
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59:33 <Avatar> not for a module
00:35 <Steven> i want the breastplate
01:02 <Steven> from the chronicle sheet... its the only way in pathfinder to get one.
11:59 <Bloodlust> what is it?
19:45 <Bloodlust> ooh yeah, just found my chronicle for it
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25:51 <Bloodlust> hey if you GM a module does that count as two tables?
26:01 <Bloodlust> for your table credit (GM stars)
28:06 <Steven> yes
29:57 <Bloodlust> okay, cool
47:06 <Avatar> is that why more people seem to want to GM modules lately
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00:46 <Bloodlust> no idea
01:08 <Bloodlust> I personally like modules because they often contain cool boons and sometimes cool magic items
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