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01:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> takes 10mins to cast though
07:05 <Bloodlust> 10 mins?
07:55 <Bloodlust> oh, because it is like symbol of death?
08:33 <Bloodlust> it says "surface" does that have to be a stationary surface or could you cast it on a shield for example?
10:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> would depend on GM
10:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I'mma gtfoing for the night
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17:52 <Philderbeast> morning
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00:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> did you end up getting to play somewhere else yesterday philder?
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37:13 <Philderbeast> nar, the only game i saw was for a game i have alreday played
37:36 <Steven> there is precedent for it not being written on stationary surface
39:11 <Philderbeast> dam, another game this morning, unfortunatly i played the scenario on wensday :(
45:30 <Yiroep> Lready getting a lot of games played, huh? :p
45:37 <Yiroep> Already*
46:58 <Philderbeast> not really this is the first time its happened...
47:03 <Philderbeast> i have only played about 9 games
47:44 <Yiroep> Ah.
48:00 <Yiroep> Do you have a level 4 or more than 1 character?
48:09 <Philderbeast> 1 off level 4
48:21 <Philderbeast> my first got killed on his second chron :(
48:26 <Yiroep> Ah.
48:31 <Yiroep> So you've played....
48:34 <Yiroep> 10 games. :)
48:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think I've played about that much
48:52 <Yiroep> I have a friend who got killed at his first PFS game.
48:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but 2 were mods
49:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know my girlfriend got killed on her 3rd PFS game, and first RPG game in a few years
49:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but she's actually excited to make a new character who will survive
49:38 <Yiroep> That's good.
49:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> quite so
49:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and she wants to play the best class there is
49:59 <Yiroep> My characters die all the time. I play a ton of casters so before high levels they usually die at some point.
50:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so I'm also liking it (oracle)
50:08 <Philderbeast> mine was a TPk... so  wasent to dissapointed
50:13 <Yiroep> Oracle is awesome.
50:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tis
50:29 <Yiroep> I've been involved in a TPK.
50:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though there are some really cheesy stuff you can get in oracle
50:41 <Yiroep> We got negative channel -> negative quick channel to death.
51:40 <Philderbeast> ouch
51:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've been in 2 TPKs, one was my life oracle having to both tank and be the damage against a demon (who was too strong for the tier) and no one had cold iron
51:44 <Yiroep> I dunno. Whenever I make a character, the first things I gravitate to are Oracle, Wizard, and Bard. I can't help it.
51:57 <Philderbeast> mine was caused by the entire group being unprepared for a specif mob and a doubble pull
52:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the other was trying to be sneaky, and one party member yelling constantly, so the guy who walked through the next room took 4 sneaks in the face
52:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though technically I don't understand how NPCs get to ready outside of combat, but PCs can't
52:50 <Yiroep> The way that SHOULD work...
53:04 <Yiroep> Is a perception check vs. stealth to see if there's a surprise round.
53:14 <Philderbeast> cleric/pal/sorc for me
53:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no it was more of, we opened the door to a room, one guy took a single square step into the room, and got stabbed 4 times and dropped
53:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no init roll before hand
54:13 <Steven> a lot of that kind of thing is actually written into the scenario
54:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that is beside the point, it's still unfair
54:32 <Steven> that when players enter this room, the guy is stealthing if he heard people outside
54:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know that, I'm just saying it's unfair that NPCs get to ready whilst PCs don't
54:54 <Steven> well... usually its also 4-6 players vs 1 BBEG... hows that fair?
55:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm not against the ability to ready outside combat, it's just if PCs can't for stupid rules, why can NPCs
56:15 <Steven> mostly because action economy is skewed to ridiculous levels in favor of the PCs so enemies get a little bonus of being able to prepare for you.
56:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then why can't PCs prepare for NPCs?
56:43 <Yiroep> There's a few scenarios were you can.,
56:44 <Steven> you can if you set up a surprise round.
56:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there are many times when you know an NPC group is coming
56:47 <Yiroep> I can think of some.
57:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so why can't you ready an action for when they open the door
57:08 <Steven> I've let players set up surprise rounds in about 10 different scenarios.
57:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if they can ready an action to when you open a door
57:37 <Yiroep> I don't really do ready outside of combat at all. I do surprise rounds. But I've given them to both PCs and NPCs.
57:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> surprise rounds are fine
57:59 <Yiroep> I've had an NPC buff up the entire party while infernal healing was ticking on them, too. :p
58:00 <Steven> a lot of time the ready outside of combat is actually the surprise round.
58:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, but surprise rounds don't last indefinitely
59:02 <Yiroep> I'm actually very liberal about surprise rounds.
59:08 <Yiroep> I was when I did my home game, too.
59:28 <Yiroep> People playing the bandit archetype under me would probably be happy. :p
59:39 <Steven> love surprise rounds they get pretty cool when the PCs spring em.
59:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they do, and I'm not against them
59:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it's when NPCs ready
00:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which are clearly not surprise rounds, such as they were explicitly waiting for a clause to happen
00:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is the unfair part
01:21 <Steven> meanwhile i didnt have to babysit today.  pretty fuckin happy bout that
46:10 <Yiroep> My Wizard/Cleric is level 3.
46:15 <Yiroep> The level of hell.
46:23 <Yiroep> I guess it's pretty bad for sorcerers and oracles, too.
52:30 * Steven shrugs
52:43 <Steven> I dont have any troubles till around level 5-7
54:06 <Yiroep> It's just that he doesn't have level 2 spells yet.
55:04 <Yiroep> Pretty excited to take my mystic theurge level at 4, though. :)
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24:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> using the bullshit where SLA count towards prestige requirements?
28:06 <Yiroep> It really doesn't break the game.
28:13 <Yiroep> Prestige classes aren't like they were in 3.5.
28:43 <Yiroep> Where if you didn't take prestige class you were gimped.
28:49 <Yiroep> Now, the prestige classes are the gimped ones.
31:42 <Yiroep> I'm pretty sure this character is going to be worse than my straight wizard. He'll have more options, yes, but he won't have the same power.
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48:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's still bullshit when you use racial SLA as requirements
49:43 <Steven> yeah its bullshit when you use the rules of PFS... how dare he.
49:51 <Steven> lets burn him at the stake!
50:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's not exactly rules of pathfinder
50:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not exactly
50:47 <Steven> its exactly the rules of pathfinder considering the development put out the rule.
51:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, I mean it's barely RAW and I highly doubt RAI
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52:10 <Steven> the development team put out the clarification.... i'm going to think they know RAI
53:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> eh, at least what yiroep said is true
53:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> prestige classes aren't op like in 3.5
53:22 <Steven> well.... some of them are pretty OP
53:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know, and that's why I don't like it, especially mystical theurge at level 4
55:07 <Steven> nah the theurge is more utility than power.
55:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> utility, especially in pfs, is considered power
55:43 <Steven> no power is considered power, utility is considered utility.
56:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> except when you are always thrown into the unknown
56:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and then the person with the most options is the most powerful, because they can deal with any obstacle
56:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus utility = power in pfs
57:27 <Yiroep> I suppose, but there's plenty of magic items that anyone can buy to be prepared for just about anything.
57:33 <Yiroep> Especially by level 4.
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58:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, but not having to spend gold on utility means you can save your gold to increase your power
59:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> such as buying an extra metamagic rod or 2
59:26 <Yiroep> Yes, but then what you lacked in power you gave up by giving yourself utility....
59:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you lack fuck all power
59:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you lack 1-2 wizard levels
00:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and you gain 10-11 cleric levels
00:05 <Yiroep> You also split spec.
00:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think it's a worthy trade
00:20 <Yiroep> You lose all cleric abilities. You don't exactly gain "cleric levels"
00:27 <Yiroep> At least, you're a level 1 cleric for all abilities.
00:47 <Yiroep> You lose feats from a wizard...although that's not really that bad.
01:08 <Yiroep> (Although the loss of fast study is disappointing. One of the best arcane discoveries ever)
01:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you lose out on things that many clerics don't even worry about
01:30 <Steven> i like Feral Speech
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01:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know that not all clerics give a fuck about their domain powers or channel
02:31 <Yiroep> Some of them can be pretty significat. Granted...I min-maxed to get the ones useful at level 1.
02:37 <Yiroep> (Hint: Travel Domain)
02:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> see, still, it's more power in the long run
03:51 <Yiroep> We'll see how it plays out, I suppose. I went high into both Wis and Int to try to be offensive with both.
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04:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> different to how I'd do it
04:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but each to their own
05:07 <Steven> if i were to make a theurge i'd go with a divine strategist
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05:43 <Yiroep> I really wanted sepratist.
06:06 <Steven> if i were to go theurge i'd go with divine strategist as my base.
06:37 <Yiroep> The replacement first ability is good, yes.
06:46 <Yiroep> I just wanted the travel domain. It's proven very useful, too.
06:54 <Yiroep> Extra movement is nice.
07:01 <Steven> yeah divine strategist with the travel domain.
07:08 <Steven> you give up channeling to always act in surprise round
07:09 <Yiroep> Where's your level 2 SLA?
07:13 <Yiroep> For Divine?
08:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just remember that wizards don't get free spells from prestige classes
08:18 <Yiroep> I'm well aware.
09:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus I'm a bit wary of wizard prestiging
10:06 <Yiroep> You know of the "cheap way" to get spells in PFS, right?
10:14 <Yiroep> The pay 1/2 scribing cost?
10:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know, use scrolls you find in scenarips
10:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> scenarios*
11:07 <Yiroep> There's also another rule....lemme see if I can find a reference.
14:26 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pos2?Copying-Scrolls-into-Spellbooks-in-PFS
15:11 <Yiroep> Ugh, wrong one.
16:11 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oi1k&page=4?Wizard-Spellbooks#197
17:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> both have limitations
18:15 <Steven> oh hey i forgot to put spells copied onto my chronicle sheet last night
19:53 <Steven> learned arcane eye and locate creature
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31:10 <Philderbeast> so looking at my cleric, is there anything in particular i should look at to help make her feel like she is keeping up in the power level as she levels up?
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33:41 <Philderbeast> would holy smite hit neutral characters in my party?
33:52 <Steven> yes'
34:02 <Philderbeast> *sigh* i guess thats out for PFS then
34:50 <Steven> you just throw it down when nobody in your party is nearby
34:52 <Yuugi> not very holy if it hits neutrals
35:16 <Steven> the spell was developed by angels... who only really ever hung out with angels....
35:33 <Steven> and so didnt have to worry about hitting allies.
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36:55 <Yiroep> I wanted to have Holy Word for my life oracle, but nooooo....
36:59 <Yiroep> Some people wanted to be neutral.
37:00 <Yiroep> Lol JK.
37:58 <Philderbeast> im just having a look for some options for what to get as i level up 
38:11 <Yiroep> I guess the appropriate response is "Why are all these jerks not good to begin with?"
38:35 <Yiroep> Well, a spell is a spell. As a cleric, you aren't really bogged down by your spell choices cause they can always change. :p
39:15 <Philderbeast> yea i know
39:24 <Philderbeast> its a matter of what to have a round to prepare :)
39:40 <Yiroep> Freedom of movement is an amazing spell.
39:51 <Steven> FoM is great
39:57 <Yiroep> Blessing of Fervor is great, too.
40:04 <Steven> love that BoF
40:13 <Yiroep> My oracle in Shattered Star's main purpose is to cast freedom of movement on everyone.
40:21 <Yiroep> Oh yeah, and Bestow Curse on everyone's spell storing armor.
40:39 <Yiroep> And her zombies....
40:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wait... can a tiefling go bloatmage level 2?
40:58 <Yiroep> Yup!
41:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
41:15 <Yiroep> That's probably the most broken one.
41:25 <Philderbeast> to bad i dont have 4th level spell slots yet
41:28 <Yiroep> But bloatmage is wacka-doo already.
41:55 <Steven> my gluttony wizard tried to take bloatmage but they refused him entry into the college.
42:04 <Steven> because they said it would literally kill him.
42:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
42:47 <Steven> he wieghs 390lbs
43:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though there are only a select few prestige classes that require casting and don't require at least 5 ranks of a skill
43:47 <Steven> he flies around in a floating chair... moves 10ft in a round
44:00 <Philderbeast> so what do people normal build clerics as at high levels?
44:16 <Steven> my level 12 is healing/support
44:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> many don't haha
44:44 <Steven> though he still prepares some spiritual weapons and a spiritual ally to do a little damage
45:41 <Philderbeast> yea I was thinking buffbot/healer is my best options
45:52 <Yiroep> I really like theologion for a pure cleric.
45:54 <Philderbeast> as there doesnt seem to be a lot of damage options
45:56 <Yiroep> Personally.
46:13 <Yiroep> I like picking a domain with good spells and preparing them.
46:27 <Yiroep> And going caster-heavy.
47:30 <Yiroep> While low damage options may seem bad, defensive options can sometimes be just as devistating to an enemy.
47:46 <Yiroep> A resist energy (electricity) can completely neuter will-o-wisps.
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48:31 <Steven> yup a well placed buff spell is more powerful than a fireball.
49:21 <Yiroep> Wind wall? Lol archers.
49:36 <Yiroep> (Although the levl 5 spell fickle winds is SUPER ridiculous in this regard)
50:22 <Yiroep> Life bubble can prevent all sorts of gas fun. Freedom of movement...ha no grapples or paralysis, neutering many plants and ghasts.
52:35 <Yiroep> Also, another use of wind wall. Swarms!
58:00 <Steven> hmmm.... Ghoul Army or suffocation?
58:41 <Steven> kinda like ghoul army... meat shields
00:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I believe only one non PC combatant per PC
01:37 <Steven> these arent animal companions, familiars, combat pets or anything like that, this is a spell.
01:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so?
02:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> can you have more than one active summons at once?
02:05 <Steven> so it doesnt get restricted by that ruling.
02:16 <Steven> yes... you can just spam summon spells if you want.
02:26 <Steven> it just makes your turn stupid complicated.
02:49 <Yiroep> I was playing a 5-9 and the druid had 8 summoned wolves and a pet wolf all out.
02:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and some GMs may say no, or limit your summons/ghouls to a respectable number
03:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> especially at a venue when time is a hard constraint
07:29 <Steven> save that they cannot say "oh, you cast a spell that gets you 1d4+1 Ghouls and 1 Ghast, pick one the rest are destroyed. because i dont want it slowing down my game."  That's not allowed.  Its the same as having a guy auto succeed on a save vs dominate monster because you dont want a BBEG combat over in round 1
08:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, but if you end up with a game where it is slowed down to a crawl because of summons
08:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and you've got a limitted time in which to play the scenario
09:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you tell that player "can you not summon any more, or limit your summoning, we have very little time left to finish the scenario"
09:07 <Steven> And thats when after the game you take them aside and ask them not to do that anymore or find a way to speed it up because they are screwing up the game.
09:44 <Steven> If you have a time slot that runs out you either reschedule to finish the game another time, or you mission fail the group.
09:52 <Steven> This happened at Gencon this year.
09:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, because if you do that, you've got 3-5 other pissed players because the mission wasn't succeedable
10:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I'd prefer to have one player pissed than 3-5 others
11:42 <Steven> plus if a guy is spamming summons chances are fights are going decently fast due to action economy killing the boss faster.
12:07 <Steven> instead of 4-8 attacks you end up having 10+ 
12:23 <Yiroep> The guy that had all the wolves was very efficient about it. He has the bonus written right there and rolled very fast.
12:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, but if its 8 wolves, chances are they're pretty shit wolves
12:33 <Yiroep> We were an efficient party.
12:46 <Yiroep> I mean, they weren't terrific, but it was pretty good.
12:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it'd be a case by case thing
13:02 <Yiroep> It was actually 1d3+1 (superior summoning) and he happened to roll 3 on the die twice. :p
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40:29 <Philderbeast> if he knows the wolves stats well and can take there goes fast i dont see it being a big issue
50:05 <Yiroep> His turn was faster than my magus's turn a couple times. :p
51:16 <Yiroep> I rarely play martial characters, though, so I always have to remember all the stuff I'm doing. "Ok, Spell combat, -2 to attacks, power attack another -2, flanking +2, uhh....inspire courage +2, oh and heroism, so another +2. K. Alright, damage. K, Power attack +4, inspire courage +2, arcane strike +2...uhh....I *think* that's it"
51:17 <Yiroep> Lol.
52:29 <Yiroep> "Oh right, blade enchantment, +1, ugg, that's too attack too, oh and blade black arcane pool so another +2."
52:30 <Yiroep> :p
52:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh black blade
53:36 <Yiroep> Black blade magus is awesome.
53:48 <Yiroep> Plus, people think I'm crazy when I introduce my sword.
53:50 <Yiroep> It's great!
54:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've been tempted by a bladebound kensai
54:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but early levels it's really really squishy
54:23 <Steven> alright back.
54:27 <Yiroep> Kensai is frightening.
54:51 <Yiroep> I've seen it in action.
54:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I really hope your blacke blade isn't a scimitar for cheese
54:59 <Yiroep> Of course it is.
55:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> called it
55:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cheese monkey
55:25 <Yiroep> It's pretty common for magi.
55:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so? it's still cheese no matter how thinly you slice it
55:50 <Yiroep> O.K.
55:56 <Yiroep> It's cheese to use color spray at level 1 for wizards.
56:00 <Yiroep> Rage is cheesey.
56:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it sure is
56:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> rage isn't cheesy
56:05 <Yiroep> At level 1, barbarians kill everything.
56:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's not cheesy
56:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> rage with an ability to remove fatigue that doesn't cost you is cheesy
56:48 <Steven> enough with the cheese talk.
56:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well, scimitars on magi in general aren't cheesy
57:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but scimitar + dervish + magi so is
57:07 <Yiroep> I'm not dervish.\
57:19 <Yiroep> 22 strength wayang, yeahyah.
57:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ah
57:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok then
57:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I take back the cheese comment
57:29 <Yiroep> (well, with the +4 strength belt, lol...)
58:03 <Yiroep> I already have a dervish character. I'm not a big fan of it, honestly.
58:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the main problem I have with magi, as well as most if not all casters
58:14 <Yiroep> I think strength magi are more powerful than dex ones at higher levels.
58:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is that I always have the mind set of if it's got spell casting, I must utilise it to it's fullest
58:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> rather than it being a utility belt
59:21 <Yiroep> My dervish character, however, is a fighter/barbarian/ranger. :p
59:35 <Yiroep> Usually with 43+ AC.
59:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what level?
59:50 <Yiroep> 11, lolz.
00:43 <Yiroep> Thinking about playing Ruby Phoenix with him at level 12.
00:51 <Yiroep> Right now he's Fighter 8/Barbarian 2/Ranger 1
00:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> lemme guess, the barbarian archetype where you can rage for bonus dex?
00:57 <Yiroep> Mmhmm.
01:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> why level 1 ranger?
01:13 <Yiroep> 2nd level gives power attack.
01:27 <Yiroep> He can't qualify for it normally. :p
01:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no but I mean why not get it now
02:07 <Yiroep> I actually wanted to go pure fighter until someone convinced me otherwise.
02:19 <Yiroep> But now I refuse to give up full BAB cause I've never had a character with full BAB before.
03:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> why not just get pirahna strike?
03:19 <Yiroep> Also he'll get glvoes of dueling after the next chronicle cause I didn't know it existed.
03:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> instead of power attack
03:24 <Yiroep> Can't do that with scimitar.
03:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ah has to be light
03:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> right
04:01 <Yiroep> I am really not that great with fighters, haha. I kind of just stumbled building him. I wanted to make a halfling fighter viable, and it worked out relatively well.
04:11 <Yiroep> Asking people for advice along the way.
04:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
04:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm making a divine warrior
04:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so that's going to be different
04:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> using spells as a utility belt rather than main use
05:16 <Yiroep> One of my oracles does that.
05:31 <Yiroep> He uses his revelations (Dark Tapestry) to shapeshift and other stuff is for corner cases and buffs.
06:06 <Yiroep> 14 charisma, so definitely doesn't offensively use him magic.
06:21 <Yiroep> It'll be interesting when he's level 8 and gets black tentacles, though, since that's not based on casting stat.
06:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mine is oracle (metal)
06:49 <Yiroep> (I love oracles, btw. My favorite class)
06:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> has reasonably high cha (17) but that's because in the long run
06:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it'll be useful
06:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> as do I
07:38 <Yiroep> Alright, time to get off work.
07:45 <Yiroep> Cya.
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41:03 <Steven> im gonna watch me some tabletop
41:07 <Steven> cause im fuckin bored.
41:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tabletop??
41:50 <Steven> youtube stuff
42:08 <Steven> wil wheaton plays some table games.
42:19 <Steven> like settlers of Catan, Lords of waterdeep
42:24 <Steven> stuff like that
42:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh that
42:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> meh
42:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> anywho, have fun
43:16 <Steven> better than watching more crap on netflix
05:14 <Yuugi> moo
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21:02 <Steven> i should buy some more magical items for my necromancer
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48:03 <Steven> had meatloaf for dinner
48:08 <Steven> was pretty satisfying
49:52 <Steven> trying to find some armor that doesnt have arcane spell chance failure that will fit with my character
55:26 <Steven> cause i want a spellstoring armor with Vampiric Touch in it.
56:23 <Steven> that way if he ever gets attacked it discourages people from attacking him again.
58:05 <Steven> cause no one likes 7d6 of damage back at them when they attack
58:24 <Philderbeast> yea that will do it
59:12 <Steven> specially since i walk around with false life all the time.
06:18 <Philderbeast> nice
06:40 <Steven> have 3 ways to get false life on me at less than a standard action... so good times.
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21:31 <Avatar> yo
21:59 <Steven> yo
23:52 <Ulzef2> yo
24:07 <Avatar> any word on waking rune?
25:15 <Steven> what bout it?
25:19 <Ulzef2> nup mekkis sent the email with us all cced last night i am letting him soft mode it with him ashley pisses me off at the best of times and i will lose my shit if i did it
26:28 <Steven> what happened with waking rune, i heard about the special but musta missed that.
27:25 <Ulzef2> that was the rant we had in spoilers the other day
27:57 <Steven> i dont remember it i had a wicked sweet migraine this morning, makes my memory fuzzy
28:10 <Mekkis> it probably got spamfiltered
28:17 <Mekkis> I'll resend it from my gmail account
28:17 <Ulzef2> he ran the stuff so wrong uit wasn't funny
30:01 <Avatar> did he reply
30:14 <Mekkis> nope
30:20 <Mekkis> did you receive it?
30:40 <Avatar> yeah
30:44 <Avatar> just now
30:46 <Mekkis> ah
30:52 <Mekkis> the first one must be in your spam
31:58 <Mekkis> I think I'll buy some scenarios
32:55 <Mekkis> Steven, have you played Elven Entanglement?
34:46 <Steven> no.  Its on my prep list for winterfest
35:00 <Mekkis> Want me to run it soon?
35:09 <Mekkis> give me a date.
35:24 <Ulzef2> :'(
36:07 <Steven> nah im good.
36:21 <Steven> Walter gonna GM it for the GMs of winterfest
36:25 <Avatar> do you want to TPK a table
37:04 <Mekkis> no. Do you want to blame the GM for the TPK that was due to your poor decisions?
37:27 <Avatar> no he actually tried to save us
37:45 <Avatar> that's the difference
37:54 <Avatar> you seem quite happy to go out of your way to kill us
38:00 <Mekkis> what?
38:24 <Avatar> the problem with what happened in the special was it went too far when you had other options
38:36 <Avatar> fair enough that's what demons do because they are evil
38:44 <Avatar> but you don't look at the bigger picture
41:37 <Mekkis> what were the other options?
41:58 <Avatar> the other 3 conscious targets?
42:06 <Mekkis> none of which he could hit
42:23 <Mekkis> due to needing a 16+ to hit them, combined with the misfortune Snickers was directly responsible for
42:25 <Avatar> they were about to fall themselves
42:45 <Avatar> to create a challenging encounter, you usually only have to drop one character
42:55 <Avatar> once that happens, things start looking bleak
43:04 <Mekkis> there was one other option: summon a second Glabrazu
43:24 <Avatar> there was not one other option
43:58 <Brunius>  I suspect that wouldn't have caused this division
44:11 <Mekkis> regardless, that situation was not the cause of the TPK
45:02 <Ulzef2> have to say i hate it when gm's have monsters ignore the guy thats there because it cant hit them when its tactics dont say that
45:22 <Brunius> What was the demons int like?
45:29 <Mekkis> double digits
47:23 <Avatar> I don't know if it was just because you were under pressure, but you seem oblivious to keeping the game fun a priority for everyone at the table
48:18 <Avatar> you don't have to follow the rules to the nth degree
52:10 <Mekkis> int was 16
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33:48 <Bloodlust> howdy
35:15 <Avatar> yo
41:35 <Bloodlust> what's cracking?
46:32 <Steven> watchin me some game of thrones
46:49 <Bloodlust> is the new season out?
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49:38 <Bloodlust> bugger I got all excited and ran to the torrents
52:09 ChanOP gives channel half-operator status to dicebot
57:55 <Philderbeast> ok i ajusdt got back and read up
58:30 <Philderbeast> Avatar: you really need to get over that death man.... its getting really annoying everytime you and mekkis are in here to hear that same argument
59:01 <Philderbeast> i get that you want to enjoy the game, but shount the Gm also be allowed to enjoy the game by roleplaying the creatures they way they are written?
59:19 <Philderbeast> particularly for a GM like Mekkis who i know doesnt get to play his own characters a lot.
01:09 <Philderbeast> if you want a game where death doesnt matter go play wow.....
01:10 <Bloodlust> There ya go Avatar: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pathfinder-society-online-collective/XqetLdnFNOw
06:16 <Brunius> Philderbeast, the whole point is that death does matter
06:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the issue he's having, is that he felt like he was singled out as a player, not that his character deserved it
07:25 <Philderbeast> the issue i have is him saying that he understands that thats exactly what that deamon would have done, and still complaining about it
08:10 <Philderbeast> particulary noting he was playing at a high level table at the time....
08:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> meh, I don't see that's what demons would have done, especially the whole "needing a 16+ to hit other targets" thing, dat der metagamin
09:06 <Philderbeast> before i heard anything else i asked avatar if he thought that that is what the deamon would have done, and he said yes
09:12 <Philderbeast> regardless of why the Gm did it
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09:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know he's said that
09:35 <Philderbeast> at this point its just sounding to me like he just wants GM's to go easy on him
09:52 <Philderbeast> rather then enjoy roleplaying the characters they are given
10:25 <Philderbeast> winthin the limited of the scenario they are given
11:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> eh
13:28 <Philderbeast> the last thing thats really bugging me as he has to keep brining it up here in public, take it up privatly, and if your not happy with the outcome, dont play with that GM...
14:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
15:15 <Bloodlust> okie dokie then
16:46 <Philderbeast> http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/newspics/4oct13/30.jpg
18:47 <Philderbeast> juyst to lighten things up a little
19:58 <Steven> meatloaf sandwich.... yum
58:21 Mekkis sets mode -R Mekkis
58:21 Mekkis sets mode -i Mekkis
58:21 Mekkis sets mode -w Mekkis
58:21 Mekkis sets mode -x Mekkis
58:27 Mekkis sets mode +w Mekkis
58:27 Mekkis sets mode +i Mekkis
58:27 Mekkis sets mode +R Mekkis
58:27 waia.wa.au.austnet.org sets mode +x Mekkis
59:18 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au .
59:18 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Oct  7 16:24:52 2013
12:08 <Mekkis> response from ashley
19:24 * Bloodlust pokes Avatar
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01:20 <Mekkis> Avatar, you around?
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26:05 <Yuugi> Hi.
40:44 <Mekkis> !spell foresight
40:45 <Mekkis> hi
40:50 <diebot> Mekkis, FORESIGHT divination ([]) druid 9, sorcerer/wizard 9, witch 9 1 standard action Range: personal or touch see text Comp: V, S, M/DF (a hummingbird's feather) Duration: 10 min./level Save: none or Will negates (harmless) SR:no or yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
40:51 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/foresight.html
04:41 <Mekkis> !feat quicken spell
04:42 <diebot> Mekkis, QUICKEN SPELL [Metamagic] You can cast spells in a fraction of the normal time.
04:43 <diebot> Benefit:  Casting a quickened spell is a swift action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell. A spell whose casting time is more than 1 round or 1 full-round action cannot be quickened. A quickened spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell's actual level.
04:43 <diebot> Casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.
04:43 <diebot> Special:  You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's casting time. Source: Core
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20:44 <Brunius|M> What was the name of the guy that used to hang out in here
21:03 <Brunius|M> Ran an alternate universe campaign on Luna
21:10 <Brunius|M> Grey-something
21:13 <Brunius|M> Light?
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