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00:09 <Mekkis> "Golden Parachute Boon"
00:44 <Mekkis> "The society doesn't want you around anymore. You receive 57XP."
01:22 <Steven> i dont suggest giving that boon to mike brock
01:38 <Mekkis> which one? The Golden Parachute?
01:43 <Mekkis> neither do I
02:16 <Avatar> tell mike you're faking chronicle sheets mekkis
02:19 <Avatar> tell us what happens
02:31 <Avatar> make sure you give him proof so he knows you're not just pulling his leg either
02:34 <Mekkis> have you ever had to award more GP than the scenario lists as max gold?
03:05 <Steven> Nope
03:44 <Mekkis> there's at least one scenario that requires it
04:07 <Mekkis> well, that specifies it
04:30 <Steven> yeah well if you kick ass on eyes of the ten you can get a bonus 5PP
05:09 <Steven> yeah... thats right.
06:44 <Mekkis> Special Reward Note: If the PCs fight and defeat $NPC,
06:44 <Mekkis> reward them an additional 357 gp for each Tier. Killing
06:44 <Mekkis> $NPC, however, can seriously impact the end of this
06:44 <Mekkis> scenario. It is up to you to decide how it resolves. This
06:44 <Mekkis> additional 357 gp is not reflected in the “max gold” boxes
06:44 <Mekkis> on the chronicle sheet at the end of this scenario.
13:13 <Steven> 12 hours till pfs
13:18 <Steven> 10 till i leave the house for pfs
14:39 <Steven> maybe i should get my guy up to 18 con
15:11 <Steven> lol
15:39 <Steven> nah ill just get a belt
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16:00 <Steven> then abuse the Feat Fast Healer
16:19 <Steven> cast infernal healing on myself, fast healing 3 for 10 rounds
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16:29 <Steven> !fast healer
16:35 <Steven> !feat fast healer
16:39 <Hydrabot> Steven, FAST HEALER []Prereq:  Con 13, Diehard, Endurance.  You benefit greatly from your healing, be it from spells or natural healing.
16:40 <Hydrabot> Benefit:  When you regain hit points by resting or through magical healing, you recover additional hit points equal to half your Constitution modifier (minimum +1). Source: APG
17:00 <Mekkis> what modules would you suggest be run at a con?
17:19 <Steven> ummmm none really
17:27 <Steven> modules take around 6hrs to complete normally
17:52 <Steven> which is generally over the 4hr timeslots they allow people
18:01 <Mekkis> not even in a double slot?
18:18 <Mekkis> in the Melbourne cons, we have 6 hr slots
18:45 <Steven> probably lower level modules
19:05 <Avatar> is there any impact for running an 11th level module for someone who is half way through level 11
19:05 <Mekkis> I did Murder's Mark last Sunday
19:31 <Steven> no avatar there is not
19:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think you get slightly more gold that if you'd just done scenarios
19:49 <Avatar> but I mean, can you get screwed in eyes of the ten in terms of experience requirements
19:56 <Mekkis> but when you hit 33XP or more, it gets dropped to 33XP
20:16 <Avatar> that's a bit shit
20:31 <Avatar> I don't know how to get 4 level 11 people together
20:40 <Mekkis> unless you've got the Golden Parachute boon :P
21:18 <Steven> with eyes of the ten
21:45 <Steven> your exp gets dropped to 33 and you get gold reduced on the chronical sheet
21:52 <Steven> for eyes of the ten
22:05 <Mekkis> gold reduced too?
22:37 <Steven> its deducted off the chronical sheet for every exp you are above 33
22:48 <Steven> unless they changed it in the new guide
23:13 <Steven> i was going to play it on ausk until i learned i get less gold
24:26 <Steven> so i leveled Folnor up to 33exp
24:35 <Steven> but then i started super healer
26:03 <Steven> because our core group decided to create some rather rediculously powerful characters and i needed to make one to keep them alive lol
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37:50 <Steven> alright back
38:05 <Steven> so what is everyone doing today?
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47:13 <kapow> work in 8 hours
47:15 <kapow> sleep time
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07:08 <Avatar> best maneuvers are trip, dirty trick, steal
07:22 <Hydrazine> not grapple?
07:25 <MekkisScreen> is Quicken Spell-like ability legal?
07:32 <Ulzef> once people start complaining about the cheese there is no point trying to go back
07:39 <Hydrazine> Sweet. Guess Hoku isn't that cheese-filled after all.
07:49 <Avatar> oops, and grapple
07:58 <Hydrazine> Ah, thought so.
07:59 <Avatar> grapple goes without saying
08:24 <MekkisScreen> rapple requires standard action
08:29 <Hydrazine> Works on alot more stuff in PFS than 3.5
08:33 <MekkisScreen> like dirty trick and steal
08:37 <Hydrazine> Only if you aren't trying hard enough, Mekkis.
08:41 <Ulzef> dirty trick could work on defunct him blinding people would be awesome
08:53 <MekkisScreen> trip and disarm are attack actions
09:03 <Hydrazine> Hoku can grapple on an immediate soon.
09:17 <Ulzef> from turtle?
09:22 <Hydrazine> yep.
09:32 <MekkisScreen> I'm also not sold on butterfly sting
09:45 <Hydrazine> rapid grapple is also on the shopping list.
09:48 <Ulzef> standard manuevers get hit hard with everyone runnning crane though
10:06 <Hydrazine> Is that still a big thing?
10:16 <MekkisScreen> but.. next level I can start binding bearded devils...
10:16 <Ulzef> I slapped a black tentacles on the weekend
10:33 <MekkisScreen> never seen an NPC with crane
10:39 <Hydrazine> I considered making something that uses crane. I decided turtle tetori sounded more fun
11:06 <Ulzef> goodall wants to start running it on people cause he got cross about it at arc
11:16 <Ulzef> my pirate has crane
11:35 <Hydrazine> what is it, second tier crane is the scary bit?
11:51 <Hydrazine> especially on the < level 5 scene yeah?
12:06 <MekkisScreen> a mod full of monks with crane style and deflect arrows
12:42 <Hydrazine> At 1-5 tier that'd be pretty brutal.
14:21 <Avatar> I don't think black tentacles ever appears in a 1-5
14:29 <Avatar> it's a level 4 or 5 spell
14:38 <Avatar> caster level 7 minimum
17:56 <Avatar> nutella + mango ice cream = heaven
18:41 <Ulzef> gotta jet have l5r on tonight will talk later
20:52 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: did you message Damien?
21:52 <Avatar> no?
21:54 <Avatar> should I have
22:07 <Avatar> I messaged brock about my ice tomb question
22:15 <Avatar> still no ruling, surprise surprise
27:43 <Avatar> the archetype round was such a letdown
24:51 <Brunius--> Clank
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08:34 <MekkisScreen> make a summoner archetype
28:20 <Steven> holy snot cannon!
28:29 <Steven> its mort
31:16 <Nekhet> helo people
31:23 <Brunius> Hello
32:24 <Nekhet> I was looing online for more places to fuel my addiction to roleplaying games, and you guys popped up :)
32:34 <Nekhet> *looking
32:56 <Brunius> cool stuff
33:29 <Nekhet> Only problem might be, i'm in europe, and there's timezones
34:11 <Brunius> What time is it over there?
34:34 <Brunius> I feel like I've seen your name somewhere
34:55 <Nekhet> Are you active on the Paizo forums?
35:09 <Nekhet> it's 11:34 am
35:16 <Brunius> 9:34am here
35:41 <Brunius> So most of our games will be midnight or early morning
35:46 <Brunius> Not exactly ideal
36:33 <Brunius> But we do sometimes have games later
36:37 <Nekhet> No... But maybe i can find at least one that fits my schedule. One should be enough actually, since i play with my RL friends like every other day :P
36:39 <Brunius> Steven, care to weigh in?
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38:13 <Nekhet> I'm generally a roleplay-focused player that prefers interesting character builds as opposed to optimized ones, and likes encounters that challenge and sometimes even kill the PCs or at least put them in significant peril 
38:43 <Brunius> I get made fun of a bit for builds that aren't SUPER-OPTIMISED 1337
38:56 <Brunius> Or at least i think that's it
39:03 <Nekhet> Since i also Gm i know how hard that can be to balance, so yeah :)
39:08 <Nekhet> And the dice have always hated me
40:44 <Nekhet> I started roleplaying in freeform and semi-freeform systems, then went through more open systems like Fudge, then WoD, and then d&d and Pathfinder
40:54 <Nekhet> Kind of opposite of many people's rpg history
42:47 <Nekhet> Me and my friends have also done Warhammer fantasy and 40k, Deadlands, CoC, Cortex/Serenity, Iron Kingdoms, i probably won't be able to think of everything we've done
43:04 <Brunius> warmahordes?
43:08 <Brunius> malifaux?
43:15 <Brunius> Wash died :(
43:20 <Brunius> I had a sad today about that
43:42 <Nekhet> Hehe well in Serenity we played our own characters
44:02 <Nekhet> Who were basically a group of terrorists :D
44:15 <Nekhet> Sorry, freedom fighters XD
45:55 <Nekhet> I played Buck "Moose" Chang, an ex shock trooper in the independents wh has since gotten older and fatter and about  15years after the war he jumped at the first opportunityto correct what he thought of as his "betrayal" of the independents (going home after the war was over)
46:16 <Nekhet> and this guy is about half as intelligent as Jayne XD
46:49 <Brunius> Ha
48:26 <Nekhet> But he used to fly those suicide farm equipment fighters so he's the only one in the group that can fly ships (sort of) XD
49:31 <Nekhet> the awesome difference between our group and the guys on the show was, the guys on the showare all kind of good at what they do. Wash is a great pilot, Kaylee is an awesome mechanic, Simon is a genius doctor... We were all a buch of inept shmucks:D
49:45 <Nekhet> I have always loved playing inept shmucks.
49:54 <Brunius> heh
50:29 <Nekhet> it's a lot more satisfying when imperfect characters accomplish something
50:40 <Steven> YEAH BITCHES!!!!!!!!
50:44 <Brunius> Yeah, I know what you mean
50:49 <Steven> i finally beat FTL
50:49 <Nekhet> This can't be done as well in D&D, but to an extent it can :)
50:58 <Nekhet> yay!
51:38 <Steven> hey brunius... you know my life oracle Honey?
51:43 <Brunius> Nope
51:51 <Steven> i thought you played with her before
52:02 <Steven> well shes all help the sick and dying and what not
52:25 <Steven> well there was a guy who had taken a ton of wis damage today
52:28 <Steven> not part of our party
52:51 <Steven> and i was healing him telling him all about sarenrae
53:00 <Steven> and we was like, yeah sarenrae is a c*nt
53:19 <Steven> she pulled out a dagger, set it against his throat and was like, say it again i dare you
53:25 <Nekhet> XD
53:32 <Steven> and he was like i said sarenrae is a c*nt
53:43 <Steven> stab the dagger in his throat and leave it
53:44 <Nekhet> Ohh religious conflict! :)
53:55 <Steven> everyone at the table was like WTF HONEY!
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54:15 <Nekhet> Well that isn't a very Serenae thing to do, but everyone's fuse has a certain length :D
55:05 <Steven> She's a life oracle who's backstory is that she was called upon by sarenrae to go forth and heal the sick and injured
55:42 <Steven> and she decided to hug her diety resulting in burns along her arms
56:02 <Steven> so... shes kind of crazy when it comes to her god... and aparantly when someone insults her god
56:09 <Nekhet> Ohh... Hugging the sun goddess sounds like a pretty bad idea.
56:16 <Nekhet> And here i refuse to make a pun about how she is hot.
57:17 <Steven> also put another name on her list of 'people i wont heal'
57:25 * Nekhet chuckles
57:28 <kapow> what now
58:24 <Nekhet> The only very religious type i play, and probably my favorite character atm, is a paladin of Iomedae whom i made when my friends all talked about how they hate paladins and never would want to play with ine (and i also previously hated paladins) so i was like guys, i'll make a paladin you won't hateand hell play with you in our next game
58:40 <Brunius> My paladin is lawful stupid :D
59:05 <Nekhet> So i made this guy, and now everyone in kind of endlessly entertained by him (including me)
59:09 <Brunius> Also, every time he tried to protect innocents, Mekkis' character DDoors out :(
01:07 <kapow> wow
01:09 <kapow> mort was in here
01:10 <kapow> wtf!
01:28 <Steven> Currently on the list is a devout atheist who repeatedly used Infernal healing on himself instead of letting honey heal him, A Shadow Dancer who said his shadow companion is more important then an innocent, and a cleric who channeled negative energy in a crowded bar.
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03:47 * Nekhet laughs
03:52 <Nekhet> Ah, good times :P
04:40 <Steven> yeah shes all about forgiveness and redemption... until you piss her off, she has a mean streak
04:43 <kapow> hahahaha
04:48 <kapow> I know that cleric :P
05:05 <Nekhet> Compared to most paladins, mine is extremely tolerant of everything but straight up pointless evil.
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05:51 <Steven> yeah the GM tonight was like um... Evil act?
06:04 <Nekhet> I have found that the problem of paladins is usually that they're stuckup, self-righteous, and complete party poopers when it comes to party dynamics
06:08 <Steven> and i was like yeah, you can mark it on my sheet... i doubt sarenrae would be upset
06:35 <Nekhet> And they judge everyone and everything
06:53 <Steven> also... im an oracle, dont technically need to be a worshiper of sarenrae
07:18 <Nekhet> Right :)
07:43 <Nekhet> Well, if you suddenly renounced her, bad things might happen, but technically you don't need to be
08:09 <Nekhet> My paladin is mostly scared shitless of iomedae too beause he constantly feels like he's failing her and infringing against her XD
09:40 <Steven> tonight was so much fun... i was high off of some muscle relaxer and pain pills while playing pfs
10:17 <Nekhet> what happened to you?
10:20 <Steven> oh oh oh... also, the blaster oracle in our party
10:39 <Nekhet> I'm sure you can play a conincing oracle when you're high on pills :P
10:46 <Nekhet> *convincing
11:04 <Steven> they worshiped sarenrae too and when i said sarenrae wouldnt mind me stabbing him for calling her a cunt
11:35 <Steven> i was like actually sarenrae wouldnt mind and quoted her some stuff from Faiths of Purity
11:51 <Steven> where it says its totaly fine to bring swift justice to evil doers
12:28 <Nekhet> True, but wouldn't she probably be kind of forgiving toward a mortal insulting her?
12:49 <Nekhet> If he was actually doing evil, like trying to kill innocents, etc.. sure
13:09 <Steven> it was an assassin
13:11 <Nekhet> At least i get a sort of forgiving impression from Serenae
13:30 <Steven> shes all about redemption, but spurn her and you get the swift justice
13:59 <Nekhet> Yeah, these things can always be interpreted in many ways
14:10 <Nekhet> Like here's an interesting situation
15:41 <Nekhet> The rogue (your typical gambler, alcoholic, womanizer, serial lier and cheater type) saved my paladin's life at some point.
16:26 <Nekhet> So of course my paladin promised he would do anything to repay him at the first opportunity, and that his bravery would not go unrewarded.
16:53 <Nekhet> Then the rogue asks him to break the law and commit a crime with him, because no one else wants to come.
17:35 <Nekhet> He did promise, and does owe this guy his life, so it would be unfair to refuse, and commiting this crime would also help him and his friends get ahead in their task that is ultimately for the good of everyone.
17:51 <Nekhet> But if you start commiting evil acts and justifying them as "for the greater good" you will quickly fall to the path of evil
18:46 <Nekhet> To make matters worse, the rogue actually called him on his promise, when no one wanted to go with him. He was like "Hey, you owe me your life, won't you come and help?"
19:40 <Nekhet> Also since he's not stupid, he knows that if things go awry the thief will bail and leave him behind to be held responsible.
20:36 <Nekhet> So yeah, figure out what Iomedae would want in this freaking situation XD
22:38 <Steven> Easy, go with him, but refuse to break the law
23:12 <Nekhet> Can't be done
23:25 <Steven> yeah it can, you just arent seeing the possibilities
23:42 <Nekhet> Going with him entals actively having to help him steal
24:06 <Hydrazine> I think the better step would've been that you'll do anything for him.. but not cross your code. That as a paladin, you would much rather die than break your oaths. But too late for that now, huh?
24:35 <Steven> no, you just say I will keep watch while you do whatever it is you are going to do in the house
24:38 <Nekhet> Yeah well, one of his oath is never break an oath you made :D
24:38 <Steven> factory
24:43 <Steven> warehouse... whatever
25:09 <Nekhet> Right, but saying that isn't breaking the law is like saying holding the bag isn't stealing as much as throwing things into it
25:26 <Hydrazine> Thats my point; Nekhet. Be more careful about the oaths you swear in the first place, to not get in the mess where you can be oath-sworn to break your code.
25:41 <Steven> You are not breaking the law...
25:49 <Steven> and after he comes out of the house.... BAM bust his ass
25:59 <Steven> cause its part of your job to catch criminals
26:02 <Nekhet> Well, that's the thing, my character is a very inexpereienced guy, and it makes sense he would prmise things to people, unable to predict how things could go wrong :)
26:23 <Nekhet> Bust someone that saved your life, riskng his own?
26:31 <Steven> he's a criminal
26:56 <Nekhet> True, but wouldn't that be a completely scumbaggy thing to do?
27:14 <Nekhet> He jumped in the water after my guy when he was drowning in his banded mail :)
27:27 <Steven> nobody said you couldnt be an asshole while being a paladin
27:31 <Nekhet> And now he would bust him?
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27:39 <Hydrazine> But going on the assumption that its too late for that; hm. Lots of interpretation, I think my gut answer is to help, but let him know right from the start that you will only do this much and not more.
27:42 <Nekhet> Well, that's my point, my guy is not an asshole :D
27:50 <Hydrazine> Nobody said you HAD to be an asshole while being a paladin either.
28:29 <Nekhet> He would even offer a stanger a chance at redemption, leave alone a friend who saved his life, even if he's a thief
29:21 <Steven> so... save the thiefs life by knocking him out and preventing him from commiting the crime
29:38 <Nekhet> My idea was to go with him, ultimately, but to keep an eye on what he does, making sure he only takes what we really need... And try to avoid them getting busted because if they do, it'll be my character that's caught, not the thief.
29:38 <Steven> you are 'helping' him out
30:17 <Nekhet> That could also be done, but i'm afraid knocing him out would not be so easy :D
30:57 <Nekhet> He is pretty evasive and a capable combatant, and my character is not the biggest combat badass you'd find among paladins :)
30:57 <Hydrazine> An asshole paladin is just as difficult to have in the party as Mr. Kill everything chaotic evil. Depends on the party ofcourse.
31:42 <Hydrazine> But I have lynched a party member in a game before; because his actions were so far out of alignment with the rest of the party.
31:49 <Nekhet> Yeah. And god knows i've played with those paladins and really hate them, and that's what led me to making this character
31:50 <Steven> you dont always have to be an asshole
32:08 <Steven> selective assholism is extremely effective
32:15 * Nekhet chuckles
32:26 <Hydrazine> Thats Steve's personal motto right there.
32:32 <Nekhet> Well picture this guy has not a single bad bone in his body
32:40 <Nekhet> because that's how he is XD
33:03 <Steven> Assholism its extremely effective
33:33 <Nekhet> I do play some characters who are assholes, but not this guy :P
34:14 <Nekhet> my witch is kind of an asshole XD
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09:51 <Mekkis> unless there are a hell of a lot of animal companions who go invisible, it should be fine
10:30 <Mekkis> ka
10:31 <Mekkis> pow
10:44 <kapow> hey mek
11:06 <kapow> hows life in the south?
11:11 <kapow> is your family alright here in brisbane?
12:09 <Mekkis> yeah. Top of a hill and everything
12:20 <Mekkis> blackout for 36 hours
12:23 <kapow> we're top of a hill
12:34 <kapow> still lost power for about that yeah
12:37 <Mekkis> and my server's uptime is now over :(
12:37 <kapow> a bit more
12:51 <kapow> oh no!
13:15 <Mekkis> it's a tragedy!
13:31 <Mekkis> actually, I'm not sure if it's up again
14:08 <Mekkis> turns out a UPS doesn't work if someone turns if off because they're annoyed at the beeping
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15:50 <Mekkis> kapow, do you have your WotW character built?
16:59 <Steven> scared him of
17:17 <Mekkis> I told you my social skills need work
17:30 <Steven> its okay... you'll get there
17:52 * Steven sings clutch songs... poorly
18:34 <Steven> quick kapow run... mekkis wants to pester you with questions
19:23 <Steven> hmmmmm..... first level feat for my magus
19:49 <Mekkis> spell focus divination
19:59 <Mekkis> prone shooter
22:19 <Wrothmonk> Is naming a illusionary wizard "Hue" to blatant of a reference?
22:22 <Wrothmonk> too*
22:24 <Steven> 10, 16, 16, 16, 9, 9 for magus stats
22:46 <Avatar> why 9, drop to 7
22:52 <Steven> racial
22:58 <Avatar> what race
23:13 <Steven> aasimar, Periblooded
23:17 <Mekkis> yes
23:39 <Steven> only available race that doesnt take a hit to con for a bonus to int
23:50 <Steven> except humans and the halfs
24:00 <Mekkis> your charactter names should not have real-world references
24:00 <Avatar> what else does it give you
24:03 <Steven> and i really like darkvision
24:10 <Avatar> half-orc
24:24 <Steven> pyrotechnics as a spell like ability
24:35 <Avatar> I mean in terms of stats
24:37 <Steven> kn planes and spellcraft
24:42 <Steven> 2 int 2 cha
25:10 <Wrothmonk> Alright. Guess I'll have to figure out an original name then.
26:17 <Mekkis> pyrotechnics is never bad
26:37 <Mekkis> does protection from evil work against feeblemind?
26:50 <Steven> why would it?
27:09 <Mekkis> what about the clear spindle in the wayfinder?
27:13 <Steven> weapon finesse at first level i guess
27:23 <Steven> no, why would it?
27:42 <Mekkis> because I haven't read it recently
27:51 <kapow> and no mekk will make sure its up by sunday
27:58 <kapow> we got tpk'd tonight
28:02 <Steven> it doesnt seek to control your actions... it just makes you stupid
28:04 <Mekkis> ooh
28:06 <kapow> and the second one came close too
28:08 <Mekkis> in Tsar?
28:12 <kapow> no
28:14 <Mekkis> what scenario?
28:16 <kapow> pfs
28:24 <kapow> the dissapeared
28:28 <Mekkis> ooh
28:31 <kapow> the bearded devils
28:32 <Mekkis> don't say any more
28:37 <Mekkis> I haven't played it
28:41 <Steven> yeah.... they almost killed honey...
28:42 <kapow> yeah
28:44 <kapow> 4 man party all str based
29:04 <kapow> we had an average str of 18
29:07 <Mekkis> last bearded devil encounter I had killed some party members
29:08 <kapow> in a party of 4
29:22 <Mekkis> something to do with Deceased "collateral damage" Estate
29:52 <kapow> well situational and location allowed for it not to be a tpk
29:52 <Steven> i suppose i could go half orc....
29:57 <kapow> but had it been located elsewhere
29:59 <Steven> I do enjoy playing halforcs
30:02 <kapow> it would of been an outright tpk
30:17 <Mekkis> there was a near-TPK at arcanacon
30:44 <Mekkis> in Storming the Diamond Gate
31:14 <Steven> what... how?
31:15 <Avatar> ps. who wants to play storming the diamond gate ?
31:29 <Steven> was it the higher teir?
31:33 <Mekkis> that's the 3-7 right?
31:35 <Avatar> yeah
31:40 <Avatar> yeap
31:40 <Mekkis> oh
31:59 <Steven> i am confused... how did they nearly get a TPK?
32:30 <Avatar> dunno, we weren't there
32:31 <Mekkis> in the final encounter, the [Spoiler Omitted] cast [Spoiler Omitted], causing the party to be trapped, except for one character with an acrobatics out the arse.
32:32 <Steven> the scenario gives you everything you need to not even fight the end boss if you dont want.
33:03 <Mekkis> he was under the [Spoiler omitted] and was forced to run back to absalom before the effect wore off
33:19 <Avatar> if you have to say spoiler omitted, you shouldn't be talking about it
33:29 <Avatar> this is a scenario we could run
33:29 <Steven> Honey played in it and we killed exactly one person the entire scenario
33:50 <Mekkis> Ultzen survived :)
35:06 <Mekkis> how is his character spelled?
35:06 <Steven> okay... halforc bound blade magus.... 16/10/16/16/9/7
36:07 <Steven> or i could go 14/10/16/16/10/10
36:13 <Steven> no dumpstats
37:55 <Avatar> just go 14/14/14/14/10/10
38:02 <Mekkis> I thought you were going dex-based
38:18 <Steven> i will be if i got aasimar
38:25 <Steven> if i go half orc ill be going str based
38:27 <Mekkis> 15/14/12/12/12/12
38:44 <Mekkis> maybe a different order
39:27 <Steven> I really want a good decent con score... so im firm on the 16 con
40:15 <Mekkis> 16's not "decent", it's "good"
40:39 <Steven> in my book 18 is good, 20 is high
40:54 <Avatar> both of those are insane high
41:09 <Avatar> it's exceptional to put 18 in con, let alone 20
41:18 <Avatar> even 16 is high
43:11 <Steven> yeah 14/12/16/16/10/8
43:48 <Steven> Half Orc Blade Bound Magus
43:50 <Steven> hey insider
43:58 <Steven> scared him off
44:07 <Steven> im okay with it though...
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47:15 <Steven> seriously kapow.. you gotta fix your connection man
48:44 <Avatar> yeah it's a bit of a joke
50:52 <Mekkis> Steven, do you have the Skilled Forgery Boon?
51:19 <Avatar> you wouldn't because it's a fake boon that mekkis made himself to look like a real chronicle sheet
51:45 <Steven> well the answer is no
52:19 <Steven> if its fake or not the answer is still no....
52:53 <Mekkis> I'll be giving one to Brock :S
53:07 <Steven> i... dont suggest that
53:34 <Steven> i suggest giving him two
53:48 <Steven> that way he can keep one and can give one away to one of his friends
55:07 <Mekkis> sounds good
55:37 <Steven> also... expect an audit of your character lol
57:00 <Steven> i think with this magus im going to go Tenacious survivor
57:26 <Steven> lol
57:34 <Mekkis> Steven, Brock audits a lot?
58:05 <Steven> no, but if you present him a boon that looks like it came from his company
58:17 <Steven> then he might be a bit suspicious
59:03 <Mekkis> I have a chronicle sheet for 2.5XP :P
59:44 <Avatar> I have a chronicle sheet for 10 XP
59:47 <Avatar> I made it myself
00:07 <Avatar> tomorrow I will be making one for 20 XP
00:08 <Mekkis> mine's not homemade
00:23 <Avatar> and it gives a +20 to perception too
00:42 <Mekkis> "Golden Parachute Boon"
01:17 <Mekkis> "The society doesn't want you around anymore. You receive 57XP."
01:54 <Steven> i dont suggest giving that boon to mike brock
02:11 <Mekkis> which one? The Golden Parachute?
02:16 <Mekkis> neither do I
02:49 <Avatar> tell mike you're faking chronicle sheets mekkis
02:52 <Avatar> tell us what happens
03:04 <Avatar> make sure you give him proof so he knows you're not just pulling his leg either
03:07 <Mekkis> have you ever had to award more GP than the scenario lists as max gold?
03:38 <Steven> Nope
04:17 <Mekkis> there's at least one scenario that requires it
04:40 <Mekkis> well, that specifies it
05:03 <Steven> yeah well if you kick ass on eyes of the ten you can get a bonus 5PP
05:41 <Steven> yeah... thats right.
07:17 <Mekkis> Special Reward Note: If the PCs fight and defeat $NPC,
07:17 <Mekkis> reward them an additional 357 gp for each Tier. Killing
07:17 <Mekkis> $NPC, however, can seriously impact the end of this
07:17 <Mekkis> scenario. It is up to you to decide how it resolves. This
07:17 <Mekkis> additional 357 gp is not reflected in the “max gold” boxes
07:18 <Mekkis> on the chronicle sheet at the end of this scenario.
13:46 <Steven> 12 hours till pfs
13:51 <Steven> 10 till i leave the house for pfs
15:12 <Steven> maybe i should get my guy up to 18 con
15:44 <Steven> lol
16:12 <Steven> nah ill just get a belt
16:32 <Steven> then abuse the Feat Fast Healer
16:51 <Steven> cast infernal healing on myself, fast healing 3 for 10 rounds
17:02 <Steven> !fast healer
17:08 <Steven> !feat fast healer
17:12 <Hydrabot> Steven, FAST HEALER []Prereq:  Con 13, Diehard, Endurance.  You benefit greatly from your healing, be it from spells or natural healing.
17:13 <Hydrabot> Benefit:  When you regain hit points by resting or through magical healing, you recover additional hit points equal to half your Constitution modifier (minimum +1). Source: APG
17:33 <Mekkis> what modules would you suggest be run at a con?
17:52 <Steven> ummmm none really
18:00 <Steven> modules take around 6hrs to complete normally
18:24 <Steven> which is generally over the 4hr timeslots they allow people
18:34 <Mekkis> not even in a double slot?
18:51 <Mekkis> in the Melbourne cons, we have 6 hr slots
19:17 <Steven> probably lower level modules
19:38 <Avatar> is there any impact for running an 11th level module for someone who is half way through level 11
19:38 <Mekkis> I did Murder's Mark last Sunday
20:04 <Steven> no avatar there is not
20:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think you get slightly more gold that if you'd just done scenarios
20:21 <Avatar> but I mean, can you get screwed in eyes of the ten in terms of experience requirements
20:28 <Mekkis> but when you hit 33XP or more, it gets dropped to 33XP
20:48 <Avatar> that's a bit shit
21:03 <Avatar> I don't know how to get 4 level 11 people together
21:13 <Mekkis> unless you've got the Golden Parachute boon :P
21:50 <Steven> with eyes of the ten
22:17 <Steven> your exp gets dropped to 33 and you get gold reduced on the chronical sheet
22:24 <Steven> for eyes of the ten
22:37 <Mekkis> gold reduced too?
23:10 <Steven> its deducted off the chronical sheet for every exp you are above 33
23:21 <Steven> unless they changed it in the new guide
23:45 <Steven> i was going to play it on ausk until i learned i get less gold
24:58 <Steven> so i leveled Folnor up to 33exp
25:07 <Steven> but then i started super healer
26:36 <Steven> because our core group decided to create some rather rediculously powerful characters and i needed to make one to keep them alive lol
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36:50 <Mekkis> how do you avoid a feeblemind?
41:18 <Wrothmonk> with a will save?
47:56 <Mekkis> I meant a more guaranteed method
48:05 <Wrothmonk> Counterspell?
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49:26 <Mekkis> that pretty much requires readying, right?
49:37 <Wrothmonk> Yeah
49:59 <kapow_Office> ballig gave me a lecture on readying the other day
50:13 <kapow_Office> which i have never realized and i don't think i have ever seen a dm pull anyone up on
50:14 <kapow_Office> ever
50:25 <kapow_Office> in 10-12 years of play ever
50:28 <Mekkis> what was it?
50:48 <Mekkis> Ring of Counterspells it is then
51:00 <Wrothmonk> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n2xo?How-to-avoid-Feeblemind
51:26 * Steven whistles contentedly
52:12 <Mekkis> mmmm?
52:19 * Mekkis eyes Steven suspiciously
52:43 <Steven> the best way to avoid getting feebleminded is to have a contigancy spell cast on you
52:52 <Mekkis> !spell contingency
52:53 <Hydrabot> Mekkis, CONTINGENCY evocation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 6 at least 10 minutes; see text Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (quicksilver and an eyelash of a spell-using creature), F (ivory statuette of you worth 1,500 gp) Duration: 1 day/level or until discharged Save:  SR:
52:54 <Hydrabot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/contingency.html
52:59 <Mekkis> Contingency heal?
53:05 <Steven> yup
53:21 <Mekkis> I'll remember that when I hit 13th
53:35 <Mekkis> ummm
53:37 <Mekkis> 21st
53:40 <Wrothmonk> seems rather expensive.
53:52 <Steven> your welcome... luckily not to many NPC creatures have feeblemind on their list of spells available to them
53:57 <Mekkis> contingency heal requires a CL of 21
54:05 <Wrothmonk> !!!
54:20 <Mekkis> Steven, two of my characters were hit by it at arcanacon...
54:27 <Mekkis> one of them failed his save
55:49 <Steven> i think its only present in like 5 scenarios
56:16 <Mekkis> I don't think my characters know that
56:26 <Steven> yeah, but im letting you know
56:32 <Steven> how do you figure CL of 21?
56:42 <Mekkis> The spell to be brought into effect by the contingency must be one that affects your person and be of a spell level no higher than one-third your caster level 
57:13 <Steven> yeah, thats so cake to get around
57:22 <Wrothmonk> and heal is what level spell?
57:27 <Mekkis> (rounded down, maximum 6th level).
57:27 <Steven> 6th
57:34 <Mekkis> !spell heal
57:35 <Hydrabot> Mekkis, HEAL conjuration (healing[]) cleric 6, druid 7, alchemist 6, witch 7, inquisitor 6 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)
57:36 <Hydrabot> Heal enables you to channel positive energy into a creature to wipe away injury and afflictions. It immediately ends any and all of the following adverse conditions affecting the target: ability damage, blinded, confused, dazed, dazzled, deafened, diseased, exhausted, fatigued, feebleminded, insanity, nauseated, poisoned, sickened, and stunned. It
57:36 <Hydrabot> also cures 10 hit points of damage per level of the caster, to a maximum of 150 points at 15th level. Heal does not remove negative levels or restore permanently drained ability score points. If used against an undead creature, heal instead acts like harm.
58:08 <Wrothmonk> so level 18
58:54 <Wrothmonk> or 21 if your a druid or witch
58:59 <Mekkis> I suppose ring of counterspells is my best bet
59:01 <Steven> yeah
59:30 <Mekkis> !spell spell turning
59:31 <Hydrabot> Mekkis, SPELL TURNING abjuration ([]) sorcerer/wizard 7, summoner 5 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M/DF (a small silver mirror) Duration: until expended or 10 min./level Save:  SR:
59:32 <Hydrabot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/spell_turning.html
59:34 <Steven> You can of course UMD a scroll of Contigancy to fake a caster level
59:46 <Mekkis> how?
59:54 <Mekkis> I thought scrolls used minimum
59:57 <Steven> but thats spendy as fuuuuuuuuuck
00:19 <Wrothmonk> is it really worth it for the 5 scenarios you will encounter it in?
00:37 <Steven> probably not wroth, but as mekkis has said, his character doesnt know that
00:45 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, all Deceased knows is that he was feebleminded and he doesn't want it to ever happen to him again
00:54 <Wrothmonk> Alright then.
01:14 <Wrothmonk> Wait, deceased?
01:23 <Wrothmonk> You named a character deceased?
01:30 <Mekkis> yeah
01:34 <Mekkis> Deceased Estate
01:42 <Wrothmonk> oh right.
01:44 <Mekkis> looks good on the Chelish taxation records
01:55 <Wrothmonk> Of course.
02:04 <Mekkis> he has a real name
02:06 <Steven> doesnt break enchantment work on feeblemind?
02:10 <Mekkis> no
02:34 <Mekkis> feeblemind is instantaneous
02:44 <Mekkis> hmm
02:50 <Steven> imma go look it up
02:50 <Mekkis> maybe it does
03:02 <Mekkis> but it's not guaranteed
03:17 <Steven> yeah... making a chest is always worse then auto succeed
03:39 <Mekkis> I had to pay for a heal
06:40 <kapow_Office> mekk you missed out last night man
06:49 <kapow_Office> cause of the tpk like an hour n a half in
06:59 <Mekkis> kapow_Office, you missed out last weekend man
06:59 <kapow_Office> we spent the next 3-4 hours story telling
07:04 <kapow_Office> about our adventures
07:05 <kapow_Office> ^_^
07:09 <kapow_Office> was awesome
07:14 <kapow_Office> and I played minecraft
07:18 <kapow_Office> until my power went out :(
07:29 <kapow_Office> then we played monopoly by candlelight
07:36 <kapow_Office> so i don't think i missed out too much
10:47 <Mekkis> oh you did
10:49 <Mekkis> :P
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14:44 <kapow_Office> have you ever play monopoly by candlelight?
15:52 <Mekkis> no, and I don't want to. Monopoly is a horrible game
15:56 <Mekkis> now, Settlers...
16:16 <Wrothmonk> mekkis, how can you hate monopoly and like Settlers
16:20 <kapow_Office> lol
16:24 <kapow_Office> i love all board games
16:30 <kapow_Office> but my flat mates wouldn't play risk :(
16:31 <Mekkis> because monopoly is a horrible game, and Settlers isn't?
16:50 <Wrothmonk> And you are a horribly confused person?
16:53 <Mekkis> no
17:02 <kapow_Office> last wednesday we played talisman
17:05 <kapow_Office> it was awesome!
17:09 <Wrothmonk> talisman?
17:36 <Mekkis> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2623.html
20:59 <Wrothmonk> Ok I concede to your point.
22:01 <kapow_Office> Talisman is amzing
22:02 <Wrothmonk> I just wiki'ed talisman, I remember playing that.
22:04 <kapow_Office> such a good game
22:05 <Wrothmonk> Its awsome.
22:06 <Wrothmonk> .
22:10 <kapow_Office> I murdered everyone ^_^
22:19 <Wrothmonk> And that is why it is awesome :D
24:39 <kapow_Office> no i was literally the assasin
24:45 <kapow_Office> and just walk around pvping people
24:47 <Wrothmonk> nice
24:48 <kapow_Office> with the amulet
24:58 <kapow_Office> so the wizard and cleric with his wand couldn't nuke me
30:05 <Brunius-> Woo English
30:59 <Mekkis> woo
31:09 <Wrothmonk> Hey kapow, have you ever played Munchkin?
38:23 <Steven> alright back
38:38 <Steven> so what is everyone doing today?
38:49 <kapow_Office> yup
46:47 <kapow_Office> you going to suck us all into a black hole yet mekkis or is that still a few years away yet?
47:23 <Wrothmonk> Well I don't think the next end of the world is coming for a few years.
47:45 <kapow> work in 8 hours
47:47 <kapow> sleep time
48:13 <kapow_Office> I dunno if mekkis is working on something top secret it's gotta be overpowered
49:22 <Mekkis> yeah. My next character
49:23 <Wrothmonk> Iron man armor?
49:53 <Mekkis> probably some form of symbol-using cheesemonkey
51:54 <kapow_Office> I am making a combat patrol trip monk
52:10 <kapow_Office> that doesn't exploit the 10ft kama reach combo
52:44 <Mekkis> fucking monks
53:08 <kapow_Office> hey whats wrong with monks
53:13 <kapow_Office> I am squishy as all hell XP
53:18 <kapow_Office> for now
53:23 <Mekkis> that's what's wrong with them
53:37 <kapow_Office> I don't have crane or snake style yet
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53:46 <kapow_Office> once I get them it'll be a lot more reliable
54:00 <Mekkis> reliable at what? Pissing off the GM?
54:33 <Avatar-> is wrothmonk here
54:38 <Mekkis> ja
54:58 <Wrothmonk> Yes
55:28 <Avatar-> did you do stupid sit in minecraft today
55:37 <Avatar-> stupid shit
56:00 <Wrothmonk> I haven't played minecraft today at all.
56:02 <Wrothmonk> Why?
56:18 <Avatar-> has anyone else used your login
56:50 <Avatar-> sabe has logs of someone messing with his shit under your name
56:50 <Wrothmonk> Not that I'm aware of… Should I be changing my password?
57:23 <Avatar-> yes
57:32 <Avatar-> 100 percent yes
59:03 <Mekkis> then you should post the new password on facebok
59:13 <Avatar-> what's your ip address
59:26 <Avatar-> type //say $ip
59:35 <Mekkis> /say $ip
00:24 <Avatar-> not you
01:42 <Avatar-> I have to go back to work, give me your ip address and I'll look over what's going on when I'm home
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06:39 <Mekkis> Don't give Avatar your IP!!111
06:47 <Mekkis> He'll h4x0r j00!
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13:04 <kapow_Office> whats so bad about a trip monk
13:11 <kapow_Office> you can't trip someone who is already tripped
13:21 <kapow_Office> so they are going to eventually get to you
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33:41 <kapow_Office> Mine is just intended so that when they get to you, they then get grappled anyway XP
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44:32 <kinevon> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/4-05Kinevon.pdf
46:34 <kinevon> Mekkis, the link doesn't seem to be working.
54:04 <Brunius-> Sup
56:47 <kapow_Office> lunch time
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56:10 <Hydrazine> Morning
09:00 <kapow_Office> afternoon
09:04 <Brunius-> It's math time!
17:33 <Hydrazine> Pssh.
17:38 <Hydrazine> I grew out of math time
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17:14 <MekkisScreen> Ultzev should be in here todayish
21:18 <kapow_Office> who?
21:27 <kinevon> Mekkis, the link doesn't seem to be working.
22:16 <kapow_Office> IF i can get my net stable somehow i want to run among the gods one weekend
22:25 <MekkisScreen> which one
22:31 <kapow_Office> Mekk you should help me fix whatever is wrong with router at home some time
22:42 <kinevon> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/4-05Kinevon.pdf
26:35 <MekkisScreen> try http://46.182.105.75/~mekkis/4-05Kinevon.pdf
27:12 <MekkisScreen> seems to be an issue with that first IP
27:46 <MekkisScreen> kapow_Office: I'll be in Brisbane next week
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29:40 <kinevon> That got it, thanks.
29:56 <kinevon> I gotta remember to make sure I get th esheet before I sign off to go to bed.
30:50 <MekkisScreen> anyone able to recommend a decent irc app for ios?
31:00 <kinevon> Night, folks.
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33:34 <MekkisScreen> that was... brief
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35:36 <kapow_Office> I use IRC999 mekkis
35:44 <kapow_Office> but i dunno if it's decent XP
35:50 <kapow_Office> works fine for me when i use it
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36:07 <kapow_mobile> Like now
38:21 <MekkisScreen> ah
39:01 <kapow_mobile> Doesn't do notifications though and times out eventually unless you check it.
40:31 <kapow_Office> but it's an IRC for ios
40:36 <kapow_Office> which there wasn't many when i grabbed it
40:39 <kapow_Office> dunno about now
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41:03 <MekkisScreen> Ulzef!
41:38 <Hydrazine> Ulzef?!
42:11 <MekkisScreen> how are things?
42:17 <Ulzef> think i gotone that works
42:27 <Ulzef> good
42:35 <Hydrazine> Howdy.
42:46 <Ulzef> hi
43:36 <MekkisScreen> finally
43:41 <MekkisScreen> :+
43:43 <kapow_Office> who is ulzef?
43:58 <Hydrazine> Hes a loopy frood man.
44:04 <Hydrazine> Sure knows where his towel is.
44:09 <Ulzef> the greatest pirate captain ever
45:12 <Hydrazine> I'm Hydra. Pleasure.
45:24 <Ulzef> but now i got this working i better jet. have fun all
45:34 <Ulzef> pleasure to meet you also
45:42 <MekkisScreen> see you around
45:55 <Ulzef> cya
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46:27 <MekkisScreen> !spell symbol of revelation
46:29 <Hydrabot> MekkisScreen, SYMBOL OF REVELATION divination ([]) cleric 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4 10 minutes Range: 0 ft.; see text  Comp: V, S, M (mercury and phosphorous, plus powdered diamond and opal worth a total of 1,000 gp) Duration: see text Save: none SR:yes
46:30 <Hydrabot> This spell functions as symbol of death, except it is only activated by invisible creatures, creatures affected by an illusion (glamer) effect, creatures with the shapechanger subtype, or creatures that have magically changed their shape. These creatures are outlined by a pale light that functions like faerie fire, except it lasts for 10 minutes
46:30 <Hydrabot> per caster level; the symbol does not otherwise reveal their true form. Once triggered, a symbol of revelation remains active for 10 minutes per caster level. Symbol of revelation can be made permanent with a permanency spell by a caster of 12th level or higher for the cost of 10,000 gp.
46:46 <Hydrazine> I'm cool enough to get a bot named in my honor?
49:29 <MekkisScreen> if you say so
54:51 <kapow_Office> yeah well I'm both the disappearing man and the immovable man at the same time!
54:53 <kapow_Office> so ha!
54:56 <kapow_Office> cop that hydra!
55:23 <Hydrazine> I threw a boat at Tash.
55:27 * Hydrazine shrugs.
55:30 <kapow_Office> anyway time to toddle off home ^_^
55:37 <kapow_Office> yay for work being done for the day
55:43 <kapow_Office> I love working like 6 hour days
55:45 <kapow_Office> it's fantastic
56:09 <kapow_Office> pays not really that amazing but enough to live comfortably and still have time to do all the things!
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56:53 <kapow_mobile> Still connected like a boss!! XP
57:00 <Hydrazine> lol
57:13 <Hydrazine> careful texting and walking
58:13 <kapow_mobile> Hahaha I alway play games and walk.
59:54 <MekkisScreen> just screen it
00:52 <Brunius-> Ulzef heads a pirate fleet?
01:04 <MekkisScreen> he does
01:23 <MekkisScreen> Itzamna's one of his captains
01:23 <Hydrazine> Who doesn't?
01:32 <MekkisScreen> Deceased is his lawyer
02:44 <MekkisScreen> he's a Qadiran
08:02 <Brunius-> I think I know him
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08:21 <Brunius-> Crates everyone up?
08:25 <MekkisScreen> you should
08:25 <MekkisScreen> he's Ulzef The Efficient
08:28 <MekkisScreen> yeah
08:59 <MekkisScreen> muleback cords so he can grab the crates and run
09:01 <Brunius-> Yep
09:14 <Hydrazine> Take the money and run?
09:34 <Brunius-> And run he. does
09:38 <MekkisScreen> no
09:42 <MekkisScreen> the crates
10:17 <MekkisScreen> he can leap 25' from a standing start
10:27 <Brunius-> Might be going into an area of bad reception, if I drop out that's why
10:47 <MekkisScreen> with a 1 on the dice
11:08 <Brunius-> I think I'll put the translator boon on my pirate
11:21 <Brunius-> So he can have a slave translator
11:29 <MekkisScreen> heh
11:44 <MekkisScreen> a slip?
11:52 <Brunius-> Maybe
12:18 <MekkisScreen> you have a pirate?
12:31 <Brunius-> Making one
12:43 <Brunius-> He will take sword and pistol
13:03 <MekkisScreen> how shitty
13:46 <MekkisScreen> the society needs more wizards
14:14 <MekkisScreen> did yolu see Angel Summoner and BMW bandit?
14:43 <Brunius-> Nope
15:37 <Brunius-> I'm not of the opinion that the society needs more wizards
15:53 <Brunius-> I need to learn how wizards work, maybe
16:26 <MekkisScreen> can you ever have too many wizards?
16:55 <Brunius-> How much does it cost to scribe from another wizards book?
17:42 <MekkisScreen> ell level sqyared * 10gp
17:56 <MekkisScreen> spell level squared * 10gp
18:15 <Brunius-> So 100, 400, 900 etc?
18:27 <MekkisScreen> no
18:36 <Brunius-> Uh
18:45 <MekkisScreen> 10, 40, 90, 160
19:03 <Brunius-> Yeah not sure why I thought it was in 100s
21:34 <MekkisScreen> Bairaq makes too much noise
22:54 <Brunius-> Sorry, can't hear you over the clanking
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25:16 <Brunius-> Clank
27:09 <MekkisScreen> see
27:37 <MekkisScreen> and it's not like the armour really works
31:43 <MekkisScreen> ...
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49:50 <Hydrazine> Angel Summoner and BMX Bandit is kinda sad.
49:57 <Hydrazine> But rather accurate in some ways.
51:22 <MekkisScreen> indeed
51:23 <MekkisScreen> indeed
12:04 <Hydrazine> It should be required viewing for the channel
15:09 <Avatar> what's that
15:46 <Hydrazine> Its a short video that demonstrates the difference between magic users and non.
19:39 <Hydrazine> youtube-fu, Avatar.
20:25 <Avatar> link-fu
21:59 <Hydrazine> http://lmgtfy.com/
22:38 <Brunius> You don't reference something in a conversation, and then refuse to give someone a link to it
22:41 <Brunius> That's just not done
22:46 <Brunius> I thought we established this years ago
22:54 <Brunius> When ballig got very annoyed about it
28:59 <Avatar> yeah if you link it I might care more about it
29:09 <Avatar> but I have no idea what you're talking about to care enough to search for it
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40:20 <Avatar> colloquy is good for macs
40:27 <Avatar> oops, kapow's gone
43:44 <Brunius> So
43:54 <Brunius> Sword and Pistol for my Pirate, I think
44:32 <Hydrazine> How do you reload with a sword in hand?
44:40 <Brunius> weapon cord
44:52 <Brunius> !item weapon cord
44:54 <Hydrabot> Brunius, TALON SWORD [moderate abjuration] CL:8 none 19515gp, 6lb
44:55 <Hydrabot> Weapons like this alchemical silver +2 defending bastard sword are favored blades of the Eagle Knights. Easily recognized by its notched blades and golden quillons crafted like upswept eagle wings, its defending ability also protects the wielder's mount. Wealthier Eagle Knights who frequently skirmish on the western border against Chelish fiends
44:55 <Hydrabot> sometimes have their swords crafted with the ability to cast dimensional anchor on the target as a free action upon a successful hit; these modified blades are called talonstrike swords. Source: Andoran
45:01 <Brunius> pfft
45:07 <Brunius> I guess it doesn't do mundane
45:13 <Hydrazine> Sounds like a good way to chop yourself in the leg, but I suppose its legal.
45:39 <Hydrazine> which one
45:43 <Hydrazine> is offhand?
45:56 <Brunius> The melee
45:58 <Brunius> I think
46:09 <Hydrazine> Why?
46:13 <Brunius> Because I don't think there's a light ranged weapon
46:20 <Hydrazine> If its both light, might as well shoot offhand.
46:37 <Brunius> Why?
46:38 <Hydrazine> half str for offhand melee
46:42 <Brunius> Ah
48:10 <Hydrazine> But I'm not sure if you can get a light one hand operated ranged weapon. hand crossbow maybe?
48:58 <Hydrazine> Either way, good luck.
49:12 <Ulzef> doesn't matter unless you attack with both in the same round if you melee when in melee and weapon cord shoot at ranged then pistol is better off hand.
50:11 <Hydrazine> If you don't do both in the same round, then theres no offhand penalty period.
50:36 <Ulzef> true
51:01 <Brunius> And since there's no 'preferred hand' mechanic,you don't even have to worry about it
51:02 <Brunius> At all
51:15 <Ulzef> however if you go with a piston you can get a axe pistol and still 2 wep fight melee and just shoot at ranged
51:15 <Hydrazine> Actually, not even completely true. At 6/1 bab you can attack with two different weapons exactly twice without penalties.
52:06 <Hydrazine> primary/offhand penalties only exist in twf rules.
53:40 <Hydrazine> Wouldn't need to with sword/pistol, Ulzef. The whole point is that he can shoot in melee.
53:47 <Hydrazine> But does it let you reload in melee too?
54:08 <Hydrazine> Hows the action economy for reloading while trying to full attack?
54:26 <Hydrazine> Ulzef might have a point in that a second melee would be better after the first round.
54:37 <Brunius> I think the consensus is that you have to reduce it to a free action
54:41 <Ulzef> it goes down when you have to wep cord the weapon back to hand
54:56 <Brunius> Which with a pistol is just a feat?
55:21 <Hydrazine> In order to attack more than once with a ranged weapon in a single round; yes, it has to be a free action reload.
55:57 <Hydrazine> Aren't you already pretty tight on feats?
56:14 <Brunius> A couple have a requirement of BAB 6
56:27 <Brunius> So I think I get 7 feats in 6 levels, the way I have it planned currently
56:42 <Brunius> Which happens to be the number I need...plus one
57:05 <Hydrazine> Gonna GM cred your way up there?
57:12 <Brunius> aw heil no
57:15 <Hydrazine> How effective is this before it all gets together?
57:19 <Brunius> No clue
57:35 <MekkisScreen> it doesn't survive a handaxe crit :P
57:37 <Hydrazine> Part of why my Supermonk build is highly impractical, is that hes absolute garbage until level 8 or so.
57:50 <Brunius> Who played Echoes with us, MekkisScreen?
58:11 <MekkisScreen> Goodall
58:37 <MekkisScreen> and his flagbearer bard
00:01 <MekkisScreen> who else was there?
00:30 <Avatar> sutekh
00:49 <MekkisScreen> ah
01:05 <MekkisScreen> has Bairaq levelled?
01:11 <Brunius> to *
01:13 <Brunius> 8
01:26 <Ulzef> think he did after the multi table
01:33 <MekkisScreen> nice
01:49 <MekkisScreen> or was it after Cultist's kiss?
02:09 <Ulzef> he was 7 at the multitable
02:16 <Avatar> exciting time
02:22 <Avatar> I hear a lot of 7-11 action going on
02:26 <MekkisScreen> he completed two scenariois that day
02:34 <Ulzef> ahhh
02:38 <Avatar> hey it's ulzef
02:42 <Ulzef> i would def say he lvled then
02:43 <Avatar> that took me a minute
02:47 <Avatar> or ten
02:58 <Ulzef> lmao
03:17 <MekkisScreen> looks like Defunct v2 shall have Improved Steal
03:31 <Ulzef> nice saves me taking it
03:37 <MekkisScreen> given that he never used inproved disarm
03:43 <Hydrazine> Why not?
03:53 <MekkisScreen> it never came up
04:35 <Hydrazine> Huh.
04:52 <Hydrazine> I always thought disarm was one of the more useful maneuvers.
04:58 <MekkisScreen> should I get the raptor form, or is that overly cheesy
05:18 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking it's too much cheese
05:30 <Ulzef> defunct is fairly cheesey as is might as well go all out
05:37 <Hydrazine> Is my cheese-o-meter still reasonably calibrated?
05:50 <MekkisScreen> probably not
06:20 <MekkisScreen> I never thought of it as 'Might as well go all out'
06:35 <Avatar> best maneuvers are trip, dirty trick, steal
06:49 <Hydrazine> not grapple?
06:53 <MekkisScreen> is Quicken Spell-like ability legal?
07:00 <Ulzef> once people start complaining about the cheese there is no point trying to go back
07:06 <Hydrazine> Sweet. Guess Hoku isn't that cheese-filled after all.
07:16 <Avatar> oops, and grapple
07:25 <Hydrazine> Ah, thought so.
07:27 <Avatar> grapple goes without saying
07:51 <MekkisScreen> rapple requires standard action
07:56 <Hydrazine> Works on alot more stuff in PFS than 3.5
08:00 <MekkisScreen> like dirty trick and steal
08:04 <Hydrazine> Only if you aren't trying hard enough, Mekkis.
08:08 <Ulzef> dirty trick could work on defunct him blinding people would be awesome
08:20 <MekkisScreen> trip and disarm are attack actions
08:31 <Hydrazine> Hoku can grapple on an immediate soon.
08:44 <Ulzef> from turtle?
08:49 <Hydrazine> yep.
09:00 <MekkisScreen> I'm also not sold on butterfly sting
09:12 <Hydrazine> rapid grapple is also on the shopping list.
09:15 <Ulzef> standard manuevers get hit hard with everyone runnning crane though
09:33 <Hydrazine> Is that still a big thing?
09:43 <MekkisScreen> but.. next level I can start binding bearded devils...
09:44 <Ulzef> I slapped a black tentacles on the weekend
10:01 <MekkisScreen> never seen an NPC with crane
10:06 <Hydrazine> I considered making something that uses crane. I decided turtle tetori sounded more fun
10:33 <Ulzef> goodall wants to start running it on people cause he got cross about it at arc
10:43 <Ulzef> my pirate has crane
11:02 <Hydrazine> what is it, second tier crane is the scary bit?
11:18 <Hydrazine> especially on the < level 5 scene yeah?
11:33 <MekkisScreen> a mod full of monks with crane style and deflect arrows
12:10 <Hydrazine> At 1-5 tier that'd be pretty brutal.
13:48 <Avatar> I don't think black tentacles ever appears in a 1-5
13:57 <Avatar> it's a level 4 or 5 spell
14:05 <Avatar> caster level 7 minimum
17:23 <Avatar> nutella + mango ice cream = heaven
18:08 <Ulzef> gotta jet have l5r on tonight will talk later
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20:20 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: did you message Damien?
21:19 <Avatar> no?
21:21 <Avatar> should I have
21:35 <Avatar> I messaged brock about my ice tomb question
21:42 <Avatar> still no ruling, surprise surprise
22:51 <Wrothmonk> Is naming a illusionary wizard "Hue" to blatant of a reference?
22:55 <Wrothmonk> too*
23:50 <Mekkis> yes
24:33 <Mekkis> your charactter names should not have real-world references
25:43 <Wrothmonk> Alright. Guess I'll have to figure out an original name then.
27:10 <Avatar> the archetype round was such a letdown
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08:02 <MekkisScreen> make a summoner archetype
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27:47 <Steven> holy snot cannon!
27:56 <Steven> its mort
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30:43 <Nekhet> helo people
30:50 <Brunius> Hello
31:52 <Nekhet> I was looing online for more places to fuel my addiction to roleplaying games, and you guys popped up :)
32:01 <Nekhet> *looking
32:23 <Brunius> cool stuff
32:56 <Nekhet> Only problem might be, i'm in europe, and there's timezones
33:38 <Brunius> What time is it over there?
34:02 <Brunius> I feel like I've seen your name somewhere
34:23 <Nekhet> Are you active on the Paizo forums?
34:37 <Nekhet> it's 11:34 am
34:43 <Brunius> 9:34am here
35:08 <Brunius> So most of our games will be midnight or early morning
35:13 <Brunius> Not exactly ideal
36:00 <Brunius> But we do sometimes have games later
36:05 <Nekhet> No... But maybe i can find at least one that fits my schedule. One should be enough actually, since i play with my RL friends like every other day :P
36:06 <Brunius> Steven, care to weigh in?
37:40 <Nekhet> I'm generally a roleplay-focused player that prefers interesting character builds as opposed to optimized ones, and likes encounters that challenge and sometimes even kill the PCs or at least put them in significant peril 
38:11 <Brunius> I get made fun of a bit for builds that aren't SUPER-OPTIMISED 1337
38:23 <Brunius> Or at least i think that's it
38:30 <Nekhet> Since i also Gm i know how hard that can be to balance, so yeah :)
38:36 <Nekhet> And the dice have always hated me
40:11 <Nekhet> I started roleplaying in freeform and semi-freeform systems, then went through more open systems like Fudge, then WoD, and then d&d and Pathfinder
40:22 <Nekhet> Kind of opposite of many people's rpg history
42:15 <Nekhet> Me and my friends have also done Warhammer fantasy and 40k, Deadlands, CoC, Cortex/Serenity, Iron Kingdoms, i probably won't be able to think of everything we've done
42:31 <Brunius> warmahordes?
42:35 <Brunius> malifaux?
42:43 <Brunius> Wash died :(
42:47 <Brunius> I had a sad today about that
43:10 <Nekhet> Hehe well in Serenity we played our own characters
43:29 <Nekhet> Who were basically a group of terrorists :D
43:42 <Nekhet> Sorry, freedom fighters XD
45:23 <Nekhet> I played Buck "Moose" Chang, an ex shock trooper in the independents wh has since gotten older and fatter and about  15years after the war he jumped at the first opportunityto correct what he thought of as his "betrayal" of the independents (going home after the war was over)
45:43 <Nekhet> and this guy is about half as intelligent as Jayne XD
46:17 <Brunius> Ha
47:53 <Nekhet> But he used to fly those suicide farm equipment fighters so he's the only one in the group that can fly ships (sort of) XD
48:58 <Nekhet> the awesome difference between our group and the guys on the show was, the guys on the showare all kind of good at what they do. Wash is a great pilot, Kaylee is an awesome mechanic, Simon is a genius doctor... We were all a buch of inept shmucks:D
49:12 <Nekhet> I have always loved playing inept shmucks.
49:22 <Brunius> heh
49:56 <Nekhet> it's a lot more satisfying when imperfect characters accomplish something
50:08 <Steven> YEAH BITCHES!!!!!!!!
50:11 <Brunius> Yeah, I know what you mean
50:16 <Steven> i finally beat FTL
50:16 <Nekhet> This can't be done as well in D&D, but to an extent it can :)
50:25 <Nekhet> yay!
51:05 <Steven> hey brunius... you know my life oracle Honey?
51:10 <Brunius> Nope
51:18 <Steven> i thought you played with her before
51:30 <Steven> well shes all help the sick and dying and what not
51:52 <Steven> well there was a guy who had taken a ton of wis damage today
51:55 <Steven> not part of our party
52:18 <Steven> and i was healing him telling him all about sarenrae
52:27 <Steven> and we was like, yeah sarenrae is a c*nt
52:47 <Steven> she pulled out a dagger, set it against his throat and was like, say it again i dare you
52:52 <Nekhet> XD
53:00 <Steven> and he was like i said sarenrae is a c*nt
53:10 <Steven> stab the dagger in his throat and leave it
53:11 <Nekhet> Ohh religious conflict! :)
53:22 <Steven> everyone at the table was like WTF HONEY!
53:42 <Nekhet> Well that isn't a very Serenae thing to do, but everyone's fuse has a certain length :D
54:32 <Steven> She's a life oracle who's backstory is that she was called upon by sarenrae to go forth and heal the sick and injured
55:09 <Steven> and she decided to hug her diety resulting in burns along her arms
55:30 <Steven> so... shes kind of crazy when it comes to her god... and aparantly when someone insults her god
55:36 <Nekhet> Ohh... Hugging the sun goddess sounds like a pretty bad idea.
55:43 <Nekhet> And here i refuse to make a pun about how she is hot.
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56:44 <Steven> also put another name on her list of 'people i wont heal'
56:52 * Nekhet chuckles
56:55 <kapow> what now
57:51 <Nekhet> The only very religious type i play, and probably my favorite character atm, is a paladin of Iomedae whom i made when my friends all talked about how they hate paladins and never would want to play with ine (and i also previously hated paladins) so i was like guys, i'll make a paladin you won't hateand hell play with you in our next game
58:08 <Brunius> My paladin is lawful stupid :D
58:32 <Nekhet> So i made this guy, and now everyone in kind of endlessly entertained by him (including me)
58:36 <Brunius> Also, every time he tried to protect innocents, Mekkis' character DDoors out :(
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00:34 <kapow> wow
00:37 <kapow> mort was in here
00:38 <kapow> wtf!
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00:56 <Steven> Currently on the list is a devout atheist who repeatedly used Infernal healing on himself instead of letting honey heal him, A Shadow Dancer who said his shadow companion is more important then an innocent, and a cleric who channeled negative energy in a crowded bar.
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03:14 * Nekhet laughs
03:20 <Nekhet> Ah, good times :P
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04:07 <Steven> yeah shes all about forgiveness and redemption... until you piss her off, she has a mean streak
04:10 <kapow> hahahaha
04:16 <kapow> I know that cleric :P
04:33 <Nekhet> Compared to most paladins, mine is extremely tolerant of everything but straight up pointless evil.
05:18 <Steven> yeah the GM tonight was like um... Evil act?
05:31 <Nekhet> I have found that the problem of paladins is usually that they're stuckup, self-righteous, and complete party poopers when it comes to party dynamics
05:35 <Steven> and i was like yeah, you can mark it on my sheet... i doubt sarenrae would be upset
06:02 <Nekhet> And they judge everyone and everything
06:20 <Steven> also... im an oracle, dont technically need to be a worshiper of sarenrae
06:45 <Nekhet> Right :)
07:11 <Nekhet> Well, if you suddenly renounced her, bad things might happen, but technically you don't need to be
07:36 <Nekhet> My paladin is mostly scared shitless of iomedae too beause he constantly feels like he's failing her and infringing against her XD
09:07 <Steven> tonight was so much fun... i was high off of some muscle relaxer and pain pills while playing pfs
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09:44 <Nekhet> what happened to you?
09:47 <Steven> oh oh oh... also, the blaster oracle in our party
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10:06 <Nekhet> I'm sure you can play a conincing oracle when you're high on pills :P
10:13 <Nekhet> *convincing
10:31 <Steven> they worshiped sarenrae too and when i said sarenrae wouldnt mind me stabbing him for calling her a cunt
11:02 <Steven> i was like actually sarenrae wouldnt mind and quoted her some stuff from Faiths of Purity
11:18 <Steven> where it says its totaly fine to bring swift justice to evil doers
11:56 <Nekhet> True, but wouldn't she probably be kind of forgiving toward a mortal insulting her?
12:16 <Nekhet> If he was actually doing evil, like trying to kill innocents, etc.. sure
12:37 <Steven> it was an assassin
12:39 <Nekhet> At least i get a sort of forgiving impression from Serenae
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12:57 <Steven> shes all about redemption, but spurn her and you get the swift justice
13:26 <Nekhet> Yeah, these things can always be interpreted in many ways
13:38 <Nekhet> Like here's an interesting situation
15:08 <Nekhet> The rogue (your typical gambler, alcoholic, womanizer, serial lier and cheater type) saved my paladin's life at some point.
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15:53 <Nekhet> So of course my paladin promised he would do anything to repay him at the first opportunity, and that his bravery would not go unrewarded.
16:20 <Nekhet> Then the rogue asks him to break the law and commit a crime with him, because no one else wants to come.
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17:03 <Nekhet> He did promise, and does owe this guy his life, so it would be unfair to refuse, and commiting this crime would also help him and his friends get ahead in their task that is ultimately for the good of everyone.
17:18 <Nekhet> But if you start commiting evil acts and justifying them as "for the greater good" you will quickly fall to the path of evil
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34:29 <Nekhet> but that's completely excusable since she's a middle aged elf
34:39 <Nekhet> what middle aged elf can possible not be an asshole
34:54 <Hydrazine> A not assholey one?
36:16 <Nekhet> Pff, possible, but very hard to do.
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36:35 <Nekhet> After you've been around for over 200 years and you go around with a bunch of short timers, you can't help but feel superior for the most part
36:44 <Nekhet> especially with an inteligece of 20 XD
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38:14 <Hydrazine> I disagree that a single view can cover all the complexities of people.
39:44 <Hydrazine> That elves enter a chrysalis at ~200 years and exit swept clean of decency; pure in their egotistical assholery.
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40:17 <Nekhet> Like i said, it's possible, but hard to do
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41:08 <Nekhet> And she isn't realy a pure asshole, and isn't egoistical at all; actually as far as witches go she's relatively benevolent. But she doeshave an asshole-ish attitude, at least by my standards of assholery :D
42:09 <Nekhet> She for example got into conflict with our ranger because she did not show him a certain artifact they found because "She did not wish to trouble him with arcane mysteries beyond his comprehesion" :D
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42:19 <Nekhet> Which was her honest intent, really.
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48:46 <Hydrazine> I guess I just feel that a sweeping generalization like "All elves that get to middle-age are assholes" is about as bad as "all middle aged Americans are assholes."
49:22 <Steven> well that last one is true
49:23 <Steven> lol
49:42 <Hydrazine> Steven does not represent the entirety of America.
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52:35 <Nekhet> I never said that all of them were. I said they probably tended toward assholery :D
54:01 <Nekhet> And i'd argue that if you make a middle aged elf that is not an asshole, you need at least some kind of background justification as to what kept them from getting arrogant or feeling superior - and if you make one that is an asshole, you can easily explain it by their age and race alone.
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54:31 <Nekhet> After all, i think it's justified to feel superior if you are older and smarterthan everyone you meet.
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09:33 <Hydrazine> "I
09:46 <Hydrazine> "I'm different than other girls; Ted. And by different, I mean better."
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18:54 <Nekhet> Hehe yep :)
19:39 <Nekhet> So you guys let me know if there's any games i can join
23:14 <Steven> I decline to let anyone know anything... because im a terrible VL
23:41 * Nekhet chuckles
24:05 <Nekhet> I'll probably e a VL pretty soon too. Not sure if i should be looking forward to that or not. Probably not :P
27:26 <Mekkis> Nekhet, where of
29:50 <Nekhet> Slovenia
30:41 <Mekkis> Cool. What's the scene like there?
31:33 <Mekkis> Deceased is one of those elves that is an arsehole
32:25 <Nekhet> There is no scene. Me and my 5 geeky friends are the scene.
32:50 <Nekhet> There is one sole games shop in the whole country and even that is more of a gothic accessory/toy shop than a game shop
33:49 <Nekhet> We were able to get a group of about 20 people who have ben coming to our PFS sessions for the past 2 months
33:59 <Nekhet> but not more than 10 at a time
35:25 <Nekhet> The mentality of people here is not very promising for tabletop RPG gaming, but we are trying all we can to get people to come
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40:19 <Steven> you should probably be annoyed as i get about 20 times a week with people
41:29 <Nekhet> 20 times a week?
42:25 <Steven> yeah just with people bugging me for stuff to do with pathfinder
42:26 <Steven> society
43:38 <Nekhet> Yeah i have to do work for PFS all the time, too 
44:12 <Nekhet> People don't ueven have the decency to sign up on Warhorn, they just show up and exect us to have everything ready for them
44:58 <Steven> pfffffffft thats nothin man
45:01 <Nekhet> Also they constantly lose their chronicles, mess up their inventories, etc..
45:23 <Steven> just wait till you gotta deal with a cheater
45:42 <Nekhet> Well yeah some people will try to cheat, of course
45:49 <Steven> or someone who knowingly creates an illegal build
46:08 <Nekhet> And one of my friends is such an awul metagamer sometimes (otherwise great guy) i simply had to ban him from replaying scenarios, at least the ones i run
46:23 <Hydrazine> Or GMs who go out of their way to mess with the players
46:38 <Steven> *cough cough* bobby *cough cough*
47:11 <Nekhet> With GMing it can sometimes be tough. I don'twant people to feel like they're untouchable and they can just do anything they want and no one will die. Butthen i also don't want to be too "evil" :D
47:40 <Steven> although this week i did steal a kill from a PC from an NPC tackling the guy and shoving a dagger through his chest
47:42 <Hydrazine> Well theres different views on proper GMing.
48:16 <Nekhet> Yeah. Some people prefer harder GMs while others believe PCs shouldn't die
49:05 <Nekhet> I had one guy totaly blow up on me one time at a con, he was like "That encounter was bullshit! We could have DIED!"
49:26 <Nekhet> And i'm like um.... You're on an adventure. It's kinda dangerous.
49:27 <Hydrazine> Part of my bad experiences with GMs.. I was playing a high dex defensive monk; easily the toughest one in the party. So I walked in front. Even mindless enemies would go right past me without even taking a swing and aim for easier targets.
49:45 <Steven> a PC should probably die about once every 3-4 scenarios you GM... thats the expected
50:27 <Hydrazine> This is adventuring! If you wanted safety, go roleplay a gardener!
50:28 <Nekhet> Funny enough, this is the guy who, when he GMs, will throw a half-dragon half-fey undead pixie antipaladin/wizard at his players
51:17 <Nekhet> I wold not even want to begin to ask him what the story behind that is XD
52:44 <Nekhet> And then when they meet three level 1 warriors and one level 1 wizard as a level 1/2 party, he moans about how they "Could have DIED!" :D
52:58 <Hydrazine> Kids these days.
53:10 <Hydrazine> Hey man.. level 1 wizards are scary. Color spray can easily TPK.
53:35 <Nekhet> Yeah but this was a society scenario and f course the wizard did not have colr spray prepared XD
53:54 <Hydrazine> Just because its Society means no color spray? since when?
54:04 <Nekhet> But stuff like acid splash, magic missile and disguise self
54:08 <Hydrazine> I got color sprayed as a level 1 in Society.
54:21 <Nekhet> Yeah some society wizards do ave it but this one didn't
54:45 <Nekhet> And i'm not about to Spoony the whole thing and change the spells a society character hasprepared
54:53 <Nekhet> because that's, as far as i know, not exactly by the rules :D
55:30 <Hydrazine> You are supposed to run the encounters as written.
55:40 <Nekhet> Exactly, so i do :D
55:52 <Hydrazine> I do remember a quite amusing bit where our party wizard hit two mounted enemies with glitterdust.
55:56 <Nekhet> If a wizard doesn't have color spray in the book, they don't have it
56:04 <Hydrazine> And ended up with one blind man on a seeing horse, and one seeing man on a blind horse.
56:20 <Nekhet> I remember how we once got pwned at the end of fucking first steps 1 by coor spray :D
56:31 <Steven> um... the first like 6 games i played
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56:47 <Hydrazine> Been there, Nekhet.
57:08 <Steven> every single game i was color sprayed... either by my party or a baddie
57:13 <Nekhet> The only reason it wasn't a TPK was ecause my half-orc monk (of all people) had the good sense to surrender and let the robbers take whatever they wanted, convincing them not to kill his friends
57:36 <Nekhet> He was the only one left standing after the color spray
57:45 <Nekhet> monk saves :D
57:46 <Hydrazine> Ahh monks and 3 good saves.
57:53 <Steven> did you guys charge the caster?
57:57 <Hydrazine> One of the good things about being a monk.
58:10 <Hydrazine> Sometimes offset by the variety of bad things about being a monk.
58:25 <Nekhet> It was a while ago, i don't remember, but we probably focused our forces on the casters
58:39 <Nekhet> There's two of them, a sorcerer and a cleric
59:03 <Steven> yeah... but they have specific moral that if its not followed easily TPKs parties
59:39 <Nekhet> Yeah true, but they are essentially robbers, not assasins
59:50 <Nekhet> And the chick that leads them at least, is kind of coherent :D
00:17 <Steven> #1 reason why people die during first steps is GMs incorrectly running the encounter
00:36 <Nekhet> We had a mixture of luck and wisdom tho that led us to turn in the quest items as we got them
00:57 <Nekhet> At that point we didn't know about this so it wasn't a metagaming decision
01:02 <Steven> like say... an imp that swift action invisibles...
01:39 <Nekhet> We just figured we should turn them in as we get them just in case something goes wrong
02:07 <Nekhet> By the time we started playing society we were already paranoid veterans of RPGs so that made sense to us XD
02:38 <Steven> yeah we played first steps here in the channel and we did it with 7 people
02:47 <Nekhet> You know how every group that has any amount of considerable experience with tabletop RPGs gets really twitchy and paranoid about everything.
02:51 <Steven> and while granted you shouldnt pull punches when you have a table of 7
03:14 <Hydrazine> I think I was in that one.
03:20 <Steven> there were some changes to the way certain abilities actually work
03:24 <Steven> yes you were
03:34 <Steven> you got thrown in jail and honey came and rescued you
03:41 <Nekhet> Sometimes a party of 7 can be less effective than that of 4, it's harder to coordinate and especially if you have a dysfunctional party or one of noobs, it can easily work worse
03:57 <Steven> no we had two halarious barbarians
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04:06 <Steven> and a diplomancer
04:21 <Nekhet> I've run tables of 7 before and it was always stressful as fuck XD
04:28 <Steven> who after she leveled got to start doing her super healer
05:05 <Nekhet> One of the roughest society experiences we've had was God's Market Gamble XD
05:17 <Steven> oh yeah, that ones fun
05:18 <Nekhet> We had not a single ranged person
05:44 <Nekhet> And three out of four were heavy armor guys :D
06:12 <Hydrazine> heh.
06:13 <Nekhet> Heavy armor + society = usually bad m'kay
06:25 <Hydrazine> I remember when I got abandoned to the enemy.
06:28 <Steven> yeah... i recently ran into a dwarf that was 250years old, level 8
06:30 <Steven> no ranged weapon
06:35 <Nekhet> Although there's the winner in deceptive titles: The Cyphermage Dilemma :D
06:36 <Steven> no potion of fly
06:39 <Nekhet> Surprise pirate ship!
07:23 <Nekhet> I was super excited about playing this senario, it was awesome because we play Second Darkness and i was like wooo, Riddleport fun!
07:49 <Nekhet> by the way i'm in love with Second Darkness big time
08:12 <Steven> tonight i destroyed the challenge rating of a scenario
08:17 <Nekhet> We're close to the end of the second book tho so don't spoil anything for me :D
08:18 <Steven> my faction leader said there would be harpies
08:24 <Steven> so honey bought a scroll of fickle winds
08:47 <Nekhet> Hahaha nice move
08:51 <Steven> harpies... neutralized
09:21 <Steven> 49k in the bank
09:45 <Nekhet> You know what we did in Second Darkness? I dont' even know if you can do this by the rules, but the GM allowed it, because it made sense.. We got random encountered by a Moonflower (CR 8) at level 5
10:25 <Steven> i dont know what a moonflower is
10:36 <Steven> lookin it up
10:49 <Nekhet> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/collaborators/fan-bestiary/moonflower
11:27 <Steven> those are interesting
11:32 <Nekhet> Basically it grapples you, wraps you in a pod, and then the pods digests you and kes plant babies with you
11:34 <Steven> but not challenging
11:44 <Nekhet> *makes
12:06 <Steven> you double or tripple move one round, then every round after you ranged and kite it
12:24 <Nekhet> Yeah except if it manages to grapple you
12:49 <Nekhet> And if your mve is the same as the plant's :D
13:06 <Steven> thats why you tripple move
13:26 <Steven> your get yourself in the air
13:35 <Steven> by level 5 you should have a way to fly
13:50 <Nekhet> That's not what you do when it ambushes and pods your rogue because it hides really well in the forest (it's a damn plant)
14:04 <Nekhet> Unless you get him out of the pod in one or two rounds, he's dead
14:35 <Steven> fire is your friend lol
14:36 <Nekhet>  2d8+8 points of bludgeoning damage and 8 points of acid damage per round, in addition to its initial attack
14:54 <Nekhet> And it has 138 HP
15:04 <Nekhet> no way you can kill it very fast, even with fire
15:26 <Nekhet> So our rogue was cocooned and my paladin rushed to his aid, but just as he managed to free the rogue he was grappled by this thing
15:40 <Hydrazine> grappling in general can be pretty mean.
15:44 <Hydrazine> Thats why I'm doing it.
15:56 <Nekhet> My monk is a grappler, too :)
16:03 <Hydrazine> Can see?
16:13 <Hydrazine> Just curious to see how you're doing it.
16:32 <Steven> did your GM table rule that the rogue was helpless/pinned or something?
16:40 <Steven> if i was the rogue ide cut my way out
17:01 <Nekhet> So he was grappled by this plant, and the plant'sCMD is 30, there's no way he can get ungrappled, and he old also get stuck in a pod and killed
17:12 <Nekhet> The rogue was unconscious due to damage, one more round and he would die
17:25 <Nekhet> *would
17:49 <Nekhet> So he was basically flower bait at that point
17:58 <Nekhet> but our cleric had a great idea and he was like
18:05 <Nekhet> "Can i cast burning diarm on the paladin?" :D
18:08 <Nekhet> *disarm
18:45 <Nekhet> The GM flips through the book, and it says "held item"... He was like "Yeah, sure, that makes sense. But he'll get the damage too."
19:02 <Steven> Man... that rogue must have had some low con...
19:05 <Nekhet> and yeah he cast burning disarm on him, and freed him :D
19:37 <Nekhet> bite +16 (2d6+9 plus Grab), 2 tentacles +16 (1d8+9)
19:50 <Mekkis> tentacles are primary attacks?
19:54 <Nekhet> This thing does some damage. And it was a random encounter, we were not at full HP when it jumped us.
20:23 <Nekhet> It was a damn close call.
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20:59 <Nekhet> If we didn't have immense healing capacity (a level 5 cleric with all his channels and heals, and my paladin with his 7 LoH attempts 3d6 yeach) we would be dead
21:42 <Steven> so... you had immense healing capacity, but were walking around the forest with a rogue at less then full hit points?
22:05 <Steven> FOR SHAME!
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22:12 <Steven> go stand in the corner!
22:15 <Nekhet> He wasn't that much under full :D
22:33 <Nekhet> And besides i need LoH for tons of other stuff so gotta save them
22:50 <Steven> but seriously... that plants cacoon thing was cool
22:53 <Nekhet> Warrior of the Holy Light
23:14 <Steven> oh btw, did you all vote?
23:21 <Steven> for superstar 2013
23:22 <Nekhet> no spells, a bard-like AoE buff instead
25:10 <Nekhet> Isn't that supposed to be kind of a secret? XD
25:17 <Nekhet> Oh speaking of cool monsters
25:24 <Steven> im not asking how you voted
25:31 <Steven> im asking you if you did vote
25:33 <Nekhet> Here is what i threw at my pirates in skull & shackles
25:55 <Nekhet> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/autumn-death
27:02 <Steven> yeah! flyby attack so fun
27:07 <Nekhet> Uh huh :)
28:38 <Mekkis> how is flyby attack fun?
29:43 <Nekhet> It is :)
29:52 <Steven> yeah man... its pretty sweet
30:22 <Nekhet> I haven't voted yet in the last round
32:29 <Steven> well you have 5 days left
32:38 <Steven> including the rest of today
34:02 <Nekhet> yep, i saw that :)
36:06 <Mekkis> flyby attack still attracts AoOs
36:32 <Nekhet> Would you allow someone to cast burning disarm on a grappled person, provided that the grappler was much bigger than the grappled person?
37:16 <Mekkis> !spell burning disarm
37:17 <Hydrabot> Mekkis, BURNING DISARM transmutation (fire[]) cleric 1, druid 1, sorcerer/wizard 1 1 standard action Range: Short (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Held metal item of one creature or 15 lbs. of unattended metal Comp: V, S Duration: Instantaneous Save: Reflex negates (object, see text) SR:Yes (object)
37:18 <Hydrabot> This spell causes a metal object to instantly become red hot. A creature holding the item may attempt a Reflex save to drop it and take no damage (even if it is not their turn), otherwise the hot metal deals 1d4 points of fire damage per caster level (maximum 5d4). Circumstances that prevent the creature from dropping the item (such as a locked
37:18 <Hydrabot> gauntlet) mean the creature gets no saving throw. The heat does not harm the item, and it does not get hot enough or last long enough to ignite flammable objects. The item cools to its previous temperature almost instantly. If cast underwater, burning disarm deals half damage and boils the surrounding water.
37:39 <Mekkis> no
37:46 <Mekkis> it only targets a held metal item
38:20 <Steven> They have spells that release people from grapples
38:30 <Mekkis> !spell liberating command
38:32 <Hydrabot> Mekkis, LIBERATING COMMAND transmutation ([]) bard 1, cleric 1, druid 1, paladin 1, ranger 1, sorcerer/wizard 1 1 immediate action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)
38:33 <Hydrabot> If the target is bound, grappled, or otherwise restrained, he may make an Escape Artist check to escape as an immediate action. He gains a competence bonus on this check equal to twice your caster level (maximum +20). This spell has no effect if the target could not get free by using the Escape Artist skill (for example, if he were under the
38:33 <Hydrabot> effects of a hold person spell or paralyzed by Strength damage).
39:12 <Mekkis> immediate action, too!
39:15 <Steven> yeah liberating command is fine
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39:38 <Mekkis> hmmm
39:48 <Steven> its an imediate action but requires a check
39:51 <Mekkis> would liberating command work if you were the one grappled?
40:15 <Nekhet> What if this person is in full metal armor?
40:16 <Steven> yes...
40:47 <Steven> when someone is grappled, i prefer Litany of Escape
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41:00 <Steven> swift action
41:21 <Steven> it loses the grappled and pinned condition and is teleported 10ft
41:22 <Mekkis> Steven, but...
41:30 <Nekhet> Couldn't you, by the spell description, cast burning disarm on a grappled person inull metal armor held by someone else?
41:35 <Nekhet> The armor is a metal item
41:46 <Steven> the armor isnt a held item its a worn item
41:46 <Mekkis> it's an immediate action to cast the spell, and an immediate action to escape...
41:53 <Nekhet> For the grappler, it's a held item
41:57 <Mekkis> no it isn't
41:59 <Mekkis> it's held
42:06 <Mekkis> it's grappled, not held
42:18 <Mekkis> do you get multiple immediate actions?
42:25 <Steven> no
42:32 <Nekhet> But physically, that's the same thing. 
42:41 <Nekhet> It's a metal objecthey are holding. 
42:43 <Steven> you get one immediate action a round which replaces your swift action on the following round
42:54 <Mekkis> so if I was grappled, I couldn't cast Liberating Command and free myself?
43:08 <Steven> so if you do an immediate action on an enemies turn you lose your swift action on your next turn
43:44 <Nekhet> Thatdidn't matter here since it was someone else casting the spell
43:48 <Steven> if you cast it on yourself i dont believe you could make the check to escape
43:59 <Steven> until you recieve another immediate action
44:14 <Steven> its why i like Litany of Escape, swift action no check required.
44:21 <Mekkis> !spell Litany of Escape
44:25 <Steven> you just get teleported 10 ft away
44:29 <diebot> Mekkis, LITANY OF ESCAPE conjuration (teleportation[language-dependent]) antipaladin 3, inquisitor 4, paladin 3 1 swift action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one willing creature that is grappled Comp: V, S, DF Duration: instantaneous Save: no SR:yes
44:30 <diebot> With a powerful prayer, you call upon the servants of your god to whisk a friend out of a grapple. The target loses the grappled and pinned conditions and is teleported 10 feet.
44:54 <Mekkis> pity. It's not on the wizard list
45:04 <Hydrazine> grease is also a great 'get my friend ungrappled' spell
45:37 <Steven> nope but its a fairly cheap scroll
45:49 <Steven> and any wizard worth their beans should have UMD
46:01 <Mekkis> Deceased doesn't
46:18 <Mekkis> I've taken a liking to the Ring of Transposition
46:35 <Nekhet> The disadvantage of using burnindisarm as a "get your frendungrappled" spell (which is not its intended use) is 1) they must be wearing metal, and 2) they also takhe damage
46:38 <Nekhet> So i'd say it would be far to use it this way
46:53 <Nekhet> *fair
47:22 <Steven> sadly as fair as it might seem its not legal
47:31 <Mekkis> Expect Table Variation
48:06 <Nekhet> I It's not legal because of the difference betwen holding and grappling, right?
48:23 <Steven> yes
48:48 <Steven> the creature is grappling him, the creature being grappled is not considered a held item
49:05 <Steven> unless the person in question is unconcious
49:11 <Steven> then there is some wiggle room
49:33 <Nekhet> Wel t wasn't cast on him per se, but on his armor
50:02 <Nekhet> which you could argue is a held item (though it's a grappled item along with its wearer)
50:24 <Steven> yes, so the target of the spell would get a chance to drop his armor... which takes rounds to minutees... preventing him dropping it, he takes damage
50:47 <Steven> the creature grappling the target of the spell takes no damage because grappling does not take place on a specific portion of the anatomy
51:30 <Steven> that would be how i would rule it at my table
51:35 <Mekkis> I probably would allow it, if the target's wearer consents
51:37 <Nekhet> Yeah but when someone is fully armored you can't really hold him by anything but his armor
51:41 <Mekkis> (if they don't, it's PVP
51:44 <Mekkis> )
51:54 <Nekhet> This wasn't societ mind you, it was a private campaign
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52:00 <Nekhet> *society
52:11 <Nekhet> I would probably disallow this in society, just to be safe
52:26 <Mekkis> it doesn't sound unbalanced, so I'd allow it
52:52 <Steven> See table variation.
53:01 <Nekhet> In private campaigns i often put common sense above the rules, especially when things boil down to semantics like here
53:04 <Steven> I err on the side of caution.
53:15 <Nekhet> And so did the GM in this case
53:33 <Nekhet> Which i thought was pretty awesome :)
53:44 <Mekkis> where are the archetypes?
53:51 <Nekhet> i tend to like to reward ingenuity even when it bends the rules
54:02 <Nekhet> And ingenious uses of spells can be fun
54:18 <Steven> http://paizo.com/rpgsuperstar
54:29 <Mekkis> no summoner archetypes :(
54:33 <Nekhet> Also yeah, it's not unbalanced, because it requires full armor and cooks the target in his armor :D
58:32 <Nekhet> Sean K. Reynolds does not recommend any archetypes, does he? :D
59:02 <MekkisScreen> because SKR is naturally the paragon of balance :P
59:24 <Steven> skr recommended a few archetypes
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59:35 <Steven> i dont particularly agree with him on several points
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