// #d&d — 2013-02-19
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00:01:21 <Mekkis> I wish Master of Wonders was a legal feat
00:01:39 <Mekkis> New Feat: Master of Wonders
00:01:39 <Mekkis> Having seen the wonders of the world, you know how to
00:01:39 <Mekkis> tweak more chaos out of a rod of wonder.
00:01:39 <Mekkis> Prerequisites: Iron Will, Wonderseeker faction, gnome.
00:01:39 <Mekkis> Benefit: When you activate a rod of wonder, roll d% to
00:01:39 <Mekkis> determine what effect the rod would create. If you desire
00:01:39 <Mekkis> to do so, you can roll d% again and use this second
00:01:39 <Mekkis> result. You can only use this ability once per round.
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00:05:07 * Mort- tail wags
00:05:19 <Mekkis> it's amort
00:05:24 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Gnome.png
00:06:59 * Mort- chases own tail
00:07:06 <Mort-> Hi mek!
00:08:44 <Mekkis> hi
00:09:21 * Mekkis measures Mort-'s rotational velocity
00:09:50 <Mort-> 5 tpm
00:10:09 <Mort-> Tpm = twirls per minute
00:10:45 * Mort- stops chasing own tail and starts ransacking channel for cookies
00:11:16 * Mort- bites mekkis and starts shaking him for cookies
00:11:22 <Mekkis> they'll be one after the next game you play here :)
00:11:36 <Mort-> Lol.you're evil :p
00:11:40 <Mekkis> Mort-, tell me about your bite?
00:11:54 <Mort-> Its 1d3+1
00:12:04 <Mort-> Arcane strike magical
00:12:11 <Mort-> Fair enough :p
00:12:19 <Mekkis> yeah, but does it bypass my DR?
00:12:34 <Mort-> I dunno what dr you have
00:12:49 <Mort-> Chaotic aligned bite if it helps
00:13:13 <Mort-> I don't qualify for eldritch claws
00:13:22 <Mort-> Don't have 15 str
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00:14:27 <Mekkis> nope: doesn't help
00:14:34 * Mort- licks a meltytashes
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00:14:50 <Mort-> Can i grapple you?
00:14:58 <Mort-> I need to search you for cookies
00:15:11 <Mort-> Uh. I don't have improved graple :(
00:15:12 <Mekkis> you can try, but you're a tiny creature, so you'll need to enter my space, provoking AoO
00:15:22 <Mort-> I'm small.
00:15:27 <Mort-> I have reach.
00:16:00 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+1 grapple
00:16:01 <diebot> Mort-, grapple: [1d20=13] 14
00:17:12 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6 AoO trip
00:17:13 <diebot> Mekkis, AoO trip: [1d20=17] 23
00:17:47 <Mort-> Eh i think I'm screwed. 4 legs or not
00:18:03 * Mort- lands on her back oops
00:19:59 <Mekkis> it happens, Mort-
00:20:24 <Mort-> Are you going to grab me?
00:20:46 * Mort- looks up at mekkis with big black eyes
00:21:49 <Mort-> And ya mek i still have no gnomes
00:21:53 <Mekkis> nope...
00:21:55 * mrk checks if this is the sex channel..nope, dd;D
00:21:55 <Mort-> :d
00:22:11 <Mort-> I just want cookies :(
00:22:18 <Mekkis> so... looking at running something high-tier this weekend...
00:22:29 <Mort-> Family party
00:22:29 * mrk gives the nice mort-thing a cookie
00:22:39 <Mort-> + I'm in murders mark
00:22:46 <Mort-> What would you like for that?
00:23:05 <Mort-> I have a pretty decent data base of rules
00:23:17 <Mekkis> ah
00:23:18 <Mort-> You can ask about any character you're building
00:23:22 <Mekkis> Murder's mark was fun
00:23:23 * Mort- grins
00:23:35 <Mekkis> sure... does... polymorph change creature type?
00:23:44 <Mort-> No
00:23:48 <Mort-> And not you
00:23:55 <Mort-> Was talking about mrk
00:24:16 <Mekkis> what's the appeal of asian weapons?
00:24:21 <Mort-> I dont think throwing people in jail does any good
00:24:34 <Mort-> Some - cheaper
00:24:44 <Mort-> The appeal is really the horn lamellar
00:24:49 <Mekkis> is slavery evil?
00:24:58 <Mort-> Great stuff for druids
00:25:14 <Mort-> And the kikko armor if you don't care about acp
00:25:19 <Mort-> Depending on whose talking
00:25:32 <Mort-> Slavery is evil or not depending on who is talking
00:26:18 <Mort-> Mrk you have a boon :p
00:26:21 <Mort-> from a mur
00:26:24 <Mekkis> is Ulzef evil?
00:26:43 <Mort-> He isn't in d20pfsrd
00:26:50 <Mort-> And i don't have detect evil
00:27:04 <Mort-> You should know by non
00:27:05 <Mort-> Now
00:27:18 <Mekkis> he's in this channel
00:27:31 <Mort-> I never met him before
00:27:37 <Mort-> And i don't have detect evil
00:27:37 <Mekkis> he's a crater
00:27:51 <Mort-> I'm not a pally.
00:28:03 * Mekkis looks around for a crate
00:30:34 * mrk debates what a mur can do in terms of boons XD
00:30:35 <Mort-> Oh that inquisitor
00:30:41 <Mort-> Oh tons.
00:30:46 <Mekkis> he's not an inquisitor
00:30:57 <mrk> sexy things?;D
00:30:57 <Mekkis> She'll turn you to the darkside
00:31:11 <Mekkis> the Dark Side of unrepentant powergaming
00:31:16 <mrk> too late. muuuuch too late
00:31:21 <Mort-> No no. I'm just helping you be awesome
00:31:44 <mrk> can i have a ring of awesome?
00:31:56 <Mekkis> you can have a rod of awesome
00:32:03 <mrk> preferably +5, that was a really good cookie;)
00:32:04 <Mort-> Cant. Rules only
00:32:44 <Mort-> Id suggest ring of protection
00:32:45 <mrk> well what else could i want from a mur?
00:32:54 <Mort-> More on character help
00:32:59 <Mekkis> I'm looking for a non-regional, non-magic trait that helps with spellcasting
00:33:13 <Mort-> Oh. That's interesting
00:33:16 <mrk> hmm
00:33:17 <Mort-> Time to look at it
00:33:26 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/Karajix2.png
00:33:39 <Mort-> Birthmark
00:33:58 <Mort-> don't need to worry about losing your divine symbol again!
00:34:05 <Mekkis> arcane caster
00:34:14 <Mort-> You didn't mention
00:34:21 <Mekkis> spontaneous
00:34:27 <Mort-> You rag spell casting
00:34:36 <Mekkis> rag?
00:34:49 <Mort-> You said spell casting
00:34:59 <Mekkis> I did
00:35:03 <Mekkis> now I'm clarifying
00:35:30 <Mort-> Spon arcane casting
00:36:26 <Mort-> Sorcerer of the society for a +1 to your acid splashes
00:37:24 <Mekkis> hmmm
00:37:30 <Mort-> That magic
00:37:36 <Mort-> Sorry thought it wasn't
00:39:03 <Mort-> Battle field caster
00:39:12 <Mort-> That gives +1 on concentration checks
00:39:24 <Mekkis> don't care about concentration
00:39:30 <niconorsk2> Any restriction on what spells it can help and are campaign and regional traits the same?
00:40:44 <Mort-> What are you looking for exact
00:40:46 <Mort-> Ly
00:40:53 <Mekkis> increasing caster level
00:41:14 <Mort-> Cl is only magical knack
00:41:34 <Mekkis> no
00:41:38 <Mekkis> gifted adept
00:41:56 <Mort-> There was one for increasing for specific spell
00:42:01 <Mort-> Can't remember off hand
00:42:18 <Mekkis> I'm fine with that
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00:44:01 <Mort-> Regionj
00:44:21 <Mort-> Its a regional trait
00:51:34 <Mort-> Dark magic affinity
00:51:56 <Mort-> If you cast anything with evil descriptor you're casting at cl +1
00:52:08 <Mort-> You must be a tiefling
00:53:11 <niconorsk2> There's a silver crusade faction trait that does the same for good spells
00:54:03 <Mort-> Interesting that i didn't know
00:54:45 <niconorsk2> Cheliax one gives +2CL for conjuration spells but only affects duration
00:55:23 <niconorsk2> Good for summoning I suppose
00:55:34 <Mort-> Ooh a walking rule book
00:55:42 * Mort- perks her ears up
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00:57:11 <niconorsk2> Walking in the sense that I have the PDF guide to PFS up and went through those traits
00:58:31 <niconorsk2> Other interesting one is the one that allows you to increase the save DC of any spell you cast by 2. 1/day
00:59:05 <Mort-> Usually just put as reactionary and that
00:59:07 <Mekkis> that's the qadiran one, right?
00:59:15 <Mort-> Maybe armor master some
00:59:19 <niconorsk2> Yup
00:59:21 <Mort-> Ok bb off to bed
00:59:26 <Mekkis> that's really boring, Mort-
00:59:31 <Mort-> I don't spell really
00:59:44 <Mort-> I hex :)
00:59:46 <Mekkis> you just did
00:59:57 <Mort-> It doesn't provoke aoos.
01:00:07 <Mort-> No need defensive casting
01:00:27 <niconorsk2> Do you have to be a member of a faction in
01:00:48 <niconorsk2> PFS to take a faction trait?
01:00:52 <Mekkis> yes
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01:07:05 <Mekkis> !spell phantasmal killer
01:07:08 <diebot> Mekkis, PHANTASMAL KILLER illusion (phantasm[fear, mind-affecting, emotion]) sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4, magus 4 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one living creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will disbelief, then Fortitude partial; see text SR:yes
01:07:09 <diebot> You create a phantasmal image of the most fearsome creature imaginable to the subject simply by forming the fears of the subject's subconscious mind into something that its conscious mind can visualize: this most horrible beast. Only the spell's subject can see the phantasmal killer. You see only a vague shape. The target first gets a Will save to
01:07:09 <diebot> recognize the image as unreal. If that save fails, the phantasm touches the subject, and the subject must succeed on a Fortitude save or die from fear. Even if the Fortitude save is successful, the subject takes 3d6 points of damage. If the subject of a phantasmal killer attack succeeds in disbelieving and possesses telepathy or is wearing a helm
01:07:09 <diebot> of telepathy, the beast can be turned upon you. You must then disbelieve it or become subject to its deadly fear attack.
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02:03:48 <mrk> hey avatar, can you set me up an account?;) ive got my character partly sorted
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07:49:07 <SaraiOtherai> grretings.... Avatar, you got a minute?
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08:01:07 <Sarai> leaving a pm....
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09:31:37 <Wrothmonk> How do I tell how much a hat costs?
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09:40:19 <Osborn> hey hey
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10:03:43 * Steven lumbers into the room and collapses on the floor.
10:04:13 * Steven whispers softly... almost like a prayer of thanks, "Radcon is over..."
10:07:39 <Mekkis> how did it go?
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10:12:47 <Steven> 29/42 tables that were offered were played.
10:13:40 <Steven> I gave out like 50 or so PFS numbers, and had 5 people ask how they start up a lodge
10:16:09 <Mekkis> do you run two sessions per day, or three?
10:18:38 <Steven> each slot was 6 tables offered, Friday 2 slots, Saturday 3 slots, Sunday 2 slots.
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10:20:21 <Mekkis> that reminds me, Steven: you should level up your WotW character (it's likely that you'll get the required 200xp very soon), and also obtain your familiar (it's what your character was doing last session)
10:21:29 <Mort-> Ooh a familiar!
10:21:46 <Mekkis> I have no idea what sort of familiar
10:21:52 <Mekkis> maybe a fiendish lemur
10:22:32 * Mort- giggles
10:22:50 <Mort-> Doesn't everyone take dinos for init?
10:23:01 <Steven> no... i will murder any lemurs i run into.
10:23:11 * Mort- growls
10:24:00 Wrothmonk is now known as Rumil
10:24:19 Rumil is now known as wrothmonk
10:24:50 * Mort- bites Steven then runs up a used
10:24:51 <Mort-> Tree
10:25:00 <Steven> Right.
10:25:00 <wrothmonk> ok the timestamp on my irc is off...
10:25:09 <wrothmonk> weird.
10:25:17 <Steven> I cant think of what kind of creature i would want to have.
10:25:38 <Steven> it would have to be a pestilance type of pet.
10:25:43 <Mort-> Blight druid?
10:25:48 <wrothmonk> poison toad?
10:25:50 <Mort-> Get a rat
10:26:02 <wrothmonk> giant rats are nic
10:26:04 <wrothmonk> nice*
10:26:10 <Mort-> Toad works too. Hamagong
10:26:20 <Mort-> Or centipede
10:27:27 <wrothmonk> So, how much do hats cost? I'd like to get a cowboy hat for my summoner, I think that would cover the symbol thing nicely.
10:27:46 <Steven> why would you want to cover the symbol?
10:27:50 <Mort-> Probably 50 gp tops.
10:28:00 <wrothmonk> d20 says 1sp to 50 gp
10:28:23 <wrothmonk> So the bad guys don't know who summoned the medium dragon?
10:28:49 <Mort-> Some bad guys don't have spell craft
10:29:06 <Mort-> In which they would hit the dragon not the guy behind him
10:29:12 <Mort-> Since they wouldn't know
10:30:39 <Steven> for real.. just pick up a wig lol
10:31:22 <Mort-> Cowboy hat are cooler
10:32:42 <Steven> dont listen to mort...
10:32:54 <Steven> wig is way cooler
10:34:23 * Mort- growls and claws Steven
10:36:30 <Mekkis> because the symbol looks ridiculous?
10:36:47 <Steven> you design the symbol...
10:37:11 <Mekkis> any sort of glowing symbol on ones forehead looks ridiculous
10:37:34 <wrothmonk> ^this
10:37:44 <Mort-> Id always have it as the mark of my god :p
10:37:45 <wrothmonk> And mort is right, cowboy hats are cool.
10:37:54 <Mort-> If i were living with it
10:38:00 <Mekkis> Itzamna wears a turban
10:38:09 <wrothmonk> Dragon, its going to be a simplified dragon for my summoner.
10:38:15 <Mekkis> ah
10:38:22 <Mekkis> cover yourself with tattoos of dragons too
10:38:34 <Mort-> Anything you like. Cowboyhats are fine
10:38:54 <wrothmonk> So, should I just estimate a price?
10:38:57 <Mort-> Id suggest carrying a pistol but you don't have proficiency
10:39:07 <Mekkis> 10gp
10:39:07 <wrothmonk> I wish!
10:39:08 <Mort-> :p
10:39:19 <wrothmonk> fine by me.
10:39:28 <Mort-> Man that's a cute picture
10:39:34 <Mekkis> what?
10:39:46 <Mekkis> wrothmonk's dragon?
10:39:53 <Mort-> Saying if you dipped 1 level pistolero
10:40:01 <Mekkis> then you'd be a powergamer
10:40:04 <Mort-> Get a pistol and fly in to shoot
10:40:09 <Mort-> Its cool looking
10:40:13 <wrothmonk> Yes
10:40:15 <wrothmonk> with a cowboy hat
10:40:19 <wrothmonk> on a dragon.
10:40:22 <Mort-> Its not though on power gaming
10:40:23 <wrothmonk> :D
10:40:31 <Mort-> You lose out on your eids
10:40:48 <Mort-> Summoners should never multi class
10:41:03 <Mort-> Sometimes you can think of pretty pictures
10:41:19 <wrothmonk> I'm tempted to put "(10 pint)" next to the cowboy hat in my inventory
10:41:31 <Mort-> Yes you should :)
10:42:21 <Mort-> I did once think of doing a flying serpent with a halfling throwing lightning hammers from above
10:42:41 <Mort-> But you probably wouldn't be very effective
10:42:48 <Mort-> Nice picture though
10:42:53 <wrothmonk> Yeah.
10:43:05 <wrothmonk> what about throwing balls of acid?
10:43:17 <Mort-> A) you need a returning hammer enchanted with shock
10:43:38 <Mort-> Acid. Not really my thing.
10:43:40 <Steven> I dont really care about any of the familiars...
10:44:01 <Steven> or for them either.
10:44:02 <Mort-> Prefer to work with lightning or fire
10:44:24 <Mort-> Ask mek to let you have a custom familiar
10:44:27 <Steven> Since i will be sacrificing it to get my REAL familiar.
10:44:33 <Mort-> And pull stats
10:44:54 <wrothmonk> http://pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=656 Hows this look for a eidolon sheet?
10:45:05 <Mort-> Oh dear. You'll cut its heart out and sacrifice it to an imp?
10:45:20 <Mekkis> not an imp
10:45:38 <Mekkis> a daemon named sendmail
10:45:52 <wrothmonk> who is he sending the heart to?
10:46:16 <Mekkis> probably another daemon called init
10:46:16 <wrothmonk> sendmail… Free express on sacrificed hearts!
10:46:23 <wrothmonk> XD
10:46:27 <Mekkis> possibly systemd, depending on configuration
10:46:37 <Steven> probably systemd
10:46:41 <Steven> im a dick that way.
10:46:43 <Mort-> Your eid looks fine
10:47:04 <Mort-> I also thought on how i was supposed to do the matrix act
10:47:06 <Mort-> Like neo
10:47:13 <Mekkis> systemd is faster than init, but is much newer and doesn't have the same flexibility
10:47:18 <Steven> I think it should be something that has a persistant disease effect or something ya know.
10:47:27 <wrothmonk> I'm not sure what to put for age, do extra-planar creatures have ages?
10:47:29 <Steven> but none of the familiars have that
10:47:29 <Mekkis> a dirty rat
10:47:38 <Steven> they have a donkey rat
10:47:39 <Mekkis> wrothmonk, 2
10:47:40 <Mort-> Then decided that if i tried to dual yield twin pistols gm would be throwing books at me
10:47:49 <Mort-> I told you rat
10:48:05 <Mort-> Bringers of the black plague
10:48:15 <wrothmonk> ?
10:48:19 <Mort-> If you used hexcrafter fly hex to fly
10:48:29 <wrothmonk> Age of 2?
10:48:44 <Mort-> Then shoot using pistol you would pass somewhat like trinity wouldnt you
10:48:58 * Mort- shapeshifts
10:49:27 <Mort-> Problem is 10 ft is very limited
10:49:37 <Mort-> Oh well thoughts for another time
10:49:57 <Mort-> Age of extra planar creature put 123
10:50:24 <wrothmonk> perhaps an age of blue?
10:50:33 <wrothmonk> extra planar and all....
10:50:40 <Mort-> Maybe.
10:51:12 <Mort-> Id ask if a familiar/your tail/your hair can reload guns
10:51:22 <Mort-> But i think i get books thrown at me
10:51:23 <wrothmonk> your hair?
10:51:28 <Mort-> Yes
10:51:41 <Mort-> Some classes can grow long hair
10:51:44 <wrothmonk> Are you medusa or something?
10:51:52 <wrothmonk> :P
10:51:52 <Mort-> Prehensile hair hex
10:51:56 <wrothmonk> Ah
10:51:56 <Mort-> I'm half witch
10:52:16 <Mort-> Just picked up the slumber hex
10:52:17 <wrothmonk> brb
10:52:20 <Mort-> :)
10:56:28 <Mort-> Bb dudes
10:56:47 * Mort- makes one last patrol looking for gnomes to punt
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11:06:56 <Mekkis> Steven: are there any 5-9s you haven't played?
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11:23:14 <Wrothmonk> the creatures I can summon with summon monster are in the bestiary book right?
11:24:36 <Steven> yes
11:24:54 <Wrothmonk> Ok, I'll see if I can get that book then.
11:28:01 <Steven> i was answering mekkis
11:28:33 <Wrothmonk> Oh, sorry, didn't realize I joined mid converstation
11:28:43 <Wrothmonk> conversation*
11:28:50 <Mekkis> oh? which ones?
11:32:04 <Mekkis> oh, and wroth: they're listed in the core rulebook, but be mindful that "riding dog" has been erratad to "dog"
11:32:34 <Wrothmonk> What page?
11:32:59 <Wrothmonk> I know the page the names of the monster I can summon, but not their stats.
11:33:13 <Mekkis> I don't know: I'm using my phone
11:33:52 <Mekkis> the stats are in the bestiary, and it's courtesy to preprepare the statblocks before you start summoning
11:35:48 <Wrothmonk> Does augment summoning work on the summoner spell like ability?
11:35:54 <Mekkis> yes
11:36:01 <Wrothmonk> Cool.
11:36:21 <Wrothmonk> what about the eidolon?
11:36:35 <Mekkis> Itzamna hasn't got around to getting that feat yet
11:36:54 <Mekkis> no, it'd be broken if that worked
11:37:04 <Wrothmonk> Ok then.
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12:06:58 <Wrothmonk> What is the celestial template? Does it change stats or does that just get added to the type?
12:08:59 <Mekkis> it changes things
12:09:20 <Mekkis> (this is one reason why you should have it prepared in advance...)
12:09:32 <Wrothmonk> I see that already.
12:09:49 <Wrothmonk> ok, is it per individual monster or is it a general thing?
12:10:16 <Mekkis> When I play Itzamna, I generally only summon earth elementals, hound archons, or celestial rhinos
12:11:10 <Mekkis> (noone's really going to have an issue if you really need to quickly stat up a celestial shark, though)
12:11:49 <Mekkis> celestial template gives DR, some resistances, and smite evil 1/day
12:12:24 <Wrothmonk> Ah wait, found it in the beastiary
12:19:50 <Wrothmonk> Ok so any summon monster I monsters I summon will be celestial since I'm neutral good right?
12:24:51 <Wrothmonk> For the stats in the bestiary under defense, are the saves total or base?
12:54:43 <Osborn> hi guys
12:59:02 <Wrothmonk> Hi
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14:29:51 <Steven> yo
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15:25:02 <Steven> there we go... My blight druid all leveled up like you asked mek
15:25:19 <Steven> now i have a level 4 to create... I just spent all my GM Credit
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15:30:46 <Steven> lets see, i have a barb, bard, cleric, druid, fighter, ranger, gunslinger, inquisitor, magus, oracle....
15:30:53 <Steven> looks like its time to build one of the others
15:35:01 <niconorsk> No wizard, sacrilege
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15:54:40 * Mekkis just made about 20 coffees
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15:56:21 <Hydrazine> Afternoon.
16:09:25 <Steven> sup sup hydra
16:10:14 <Steven> !rand Monk Paladin Rogue/Ninja Sorc Wizard Alchemist Cavalier Summoner Witch
16:10:14 <dicebot> Steven, random: Sorc
16:10:20 <Steven> looks like its a sorc
16:14:53 <Hydrazine> Randoming for next character?
16:15:29 <Steven> nope
16:15:39 <Steven> just the class
16:15:48 <Steven> one of the ones i havent made yet.
16:16:03 <Hydrazine> So what is the roll for?
16:16:55 <Steven> just to figure out the class... i dont much care what i make
16:17:16 <Steven> Since i wont get to play it much, if at all
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17:24:14 <Steven> Stormborn bloodline seems fun.
17:27:30 <Avatar> just let us decide
17:27:43 <Avatar> you will roll up a ranger
17:30:25 <Steven> already have a ranger
17:30:31 <Avatar> what else do you have
17:30:59 <Steven> everything buta Monk Paladin Rogue/Ninja Sorc Wizard Alchemist Cavalier Summoner Witch
17:31:16 <Avatar> that seems like a pretty big list
17:31:20 <Avatar> don't you already have 10 characters
17:31:25 <Avatar> are they all rangers
17:31:31 <Steven> I have 16 characters now
17:31:37 <Avatar> 16 rangers?
17:31:46 <Steven> yeah.... one of each archtype
17:31:59 <Avatar> okay well let's stay away from ranger then
17:32:04 <Avatar> roll an oracle
17:32:14 <Steven> already own 16 of those too...
17:32:22 <Steven> 16 of each class except
17:32:25 <Avatar> are you telling fibs
17:32:32 <Steven> Monk Paladin Rogue/Ninja Sorc Wizard Alchemist Cavalier Summoner Witch
17:32:46 <Avatar> ok roll a cavalier
17:33:53 <Steven> rollin a sorc
17:34:19 <Avatar> you aren't going to take advice on what to choose, but you're going to roll dice to decide?
17:34:34 <Brunius> I should roll up an arcane caster some time
17:34:45 <Avatar> yeah let brunius roll up the sorcerer
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17:35:34 <Steven> i rolled for my tactician cleric
17:46:47 <Mekkis> brunius: you should roll up a wizard
17:56:37 <Steven> yeah brun roll up a wizard
17:59:29 <Brunius> But then I'd have to learn spells properly
17:59:38 <Steven> mekkis you were asking what 5-9s i could play... heresy of man p2, wonders in the weave p2, and fortress of the nail
18:12:58 <Steven> dwarf Emphyreal sorc meybe...
18:15:54 <Mekkis> who here hasn't played Wonders part 2 but has played part 1
18:15:59 <Mekkis> or should someone run 1 first
18:19:36 <Steven> i can run 1 i guess
18:20:50 <Steven> my problem with sorcs is i dont really like arcane spells.
18:21:24 <Mekkis> my problem with sorcerers is that I feel they're too limited at low levels
18:21:53 <Avatar> Steven: oracle
18:21:53 <Steven> oh i start at level 4... i applied all my stored up GM credit
18:22:00 <Steven> Already have an oracle.
18:22:04 <Steven> level 12 now.
18:22:07 <Avatar> make another archetype
18:22:17 <Steven> I could cheese....
18:22:22 <Steven> Make my cheese character...
18:22:27 <Avatar> yeah a VL who cheeses
18:22:39 <Mekkis> it's a bad example
18:23:37 <Steven> no its a fine example
18:24:36 <Steven> 16 chars and only 1 is cheese
18:25:11 <Mekkis> honey?
18:26:11 <Steven> Honey is optimized for healing
18:27:00 <Steven> is slightly cheesed
18:27:20 <Steven> built specifically to keep people alive.
18:29:20 <Mekkis> are Arcane Discoveries PFS legal?
18:29:36 <Steven> check the additional resources
18:29:45 <Mekkis> some are
18:29:49 <Mekkis> Truename isn't :(
18:31:06 <Steven> oh crap... i forgot i gotta build two characters... one at lvl 4 one at level 1
18:40:00 <Steven> joinin the silver Crusade with this character!
18:44:45 <Steven> mebe do the diabolist!
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18:45:43 <Mekkis> you shouldn't
18:45:53 <Steven> gonna happen!
18:47:37 <Steven> silver crusade Diabolist just sounds like the way to go.
18:54:07 <Mekkis> now you're just trying to get a reaction
18:54:26 <Mekkis> don't make me observed state you
18:54:58 <Steven> dont make me make you!
18:58:28 <Mekkis> then you should avoid the diabolist :)
19:01:45 <Steven> NEVER!
19:03:29 <Steven> i really have no clue what im going to build
19:04:01 <Steven> i keep comming back to my oracle paladin cheese build... but... its so damned cheesy
19:06:24 <Mekkis> it's a bad influence
19:06:26 <Mekkis> make a bard
19:07:02 <Mekkis> and find me a good nonmagic, nonregional trait for a spontaneous arcane caster
19:15:25 <Avatar> tomb raider
19:22:13 <Steven> its not a bad influence... you just dont agree with it, and im okay with that
19:41:25 <Avatar> did you guys hear they are going to retire first steps
19:46:46 <Steven> Thats not exactly accurate.
19:46:52 <niconorsk> Nope. I should get around to playing it then. :P
19:47:47 <niconorsk> Ah, found the post. The important word is "might"
19:48:17 <Steven> Actually its 'may'
19:48:17 <Avatar> replaced by a set of seasonal level 1 scenarios that introduce the new season
19:48:38 <niconorsk> derp
19:52:39 <Steven> I've decided to stat up my cheese build... before deciding whether to assign credit
19:55:59 <Avatar> are you really seriously considering playing a cheese build
19:56:30 <Steven> yup
19:56:38 <Avatar> I'm telling all my friends
19:57:12 <Steven> go for it.
19:57:29 <Steven> i dont know why they would care that a person is making a cheese build
19:58:58 <Avatar> what would walter say
20:00:36 <Steven> im going to guess something along the lines of... Oh man thats cool!
20:01:31 <Steven> we built him a character with a base str of like 34-36 that spikes to 42+
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20:05:20 <Steven> yeah his char's str is 34 w/o items
20:06:03 <Steven> sorry 28 w/o items 34 with items
20:06:08 <Steven> spikes to 42+
20:07:40 <Mort-> Brunius why did you pop the m sign on the other side
20:14:14 <Mort-> Dd or syn?
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20:21:04 <Brunius> Ulzef_hates_mIRC, are you around?
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20:26:18 <Mekkis> should I take Analyse Dwemer?
20:28:02 * Mort- twiddles her tail around
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20:28:41 * Mekkis makes Mort- a coffee
20:29:13 <Mort-> I drink coffee some times
20:29:20 <Mekkis> I made 20 coffees today
20:29:21 <Mort-> Thanks i guess
20:29:35 <Mekkis> and threw them all away
20:30:22 <Mort-> Seems your wotw has lots of people
20:30:22 * Mort- is a gossipmur
20:30:29 <Mort-> Why?
20:30:36 <Mort-> Do it badly do you?
20:31:01 <Mort-> Question: can you send your animal companion to front line?
20:31:05 <Mort-> Why or why not.
20:35:48 <Steven> that sucks mek
20:41:48 <Mekkis> what sucks, Steven?
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20:41:54 <Mekkis> Mort-, I do
20:42:05 <Steven> that you had to throw them all away
20:42:15 <Mekkis> I'm not drinking 20 coffees
20:42:34 <Mekkis> I went to a barista course
20:45:08 <mortswishytail> How do you keep yoir ac alive
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20:45:23 <mortswishytail> Charging doesn't count
20:46:05 <Mekkis> mounted combat
20:47:32 <mortswishytail> Ok. But my ride check sucks!
20:47:47 <mortswishytail> I don't want to be around my ac when the fighting starts!
20:48:46 <Mekkis> ok
20:48:48 <Mekkis> Barding
20:49:23 <mortswishytail> Studded leather for +3?
20:49:31 <Mekkis> full plate for +9
20:49:32 <mortswishytail> Or was it leather argh
20:49:48 <mortswishytail> Profs ouch
20:49:58 <mortswishytail> there go all my feats :(
20:49:59 <Mekkis> so take them
20:50:22 * mortswishytail sniffs
20:50:25 <Mekkis> if you want to avoid proficiencies, Celestial Armour
20:50:36 <Mekkis> or even Elven Chain
20:50:58 <Mekkis> (that's what Kernigahn's companion'll be wearing)
20:51:47 <mortswishytail> Elven chain has how much acp
20:52:03 <Mekkis> !item elven chain
20:52:08 <diebot> Mekkis, ELVEN CHAIN [no aura (nonmagical)] CL:0 armor 5150gp, 20lb
20:52:09 <diebot> This extremely light chainmail is made of very fine mithral links. This armor is treated, in all ways, like light armor, including when determining proficiency. The armor has an arcane spell failure chance of 20%, a maximum Dexterity bonus of +4, and an armor check penalty of -2. Source: PFRPG Core
20:52:10 <Mekkis> -2
20:52:35 <mortswishytail> So -2 to all attack rolls for a +5 aci
20:52:36 <mortswishytail> ?
20:52:41 <Mekkis> no
20:52:45 <Mekkis> take light proficiency
20:52:52 <mortswishytail> Hmm.
20:53:20 <mortswishytail> Mithril chain shirt barding is 4k?
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20:57:18 <Steven> and the cheese char is statted up
20:58:52 <Mekkis> Steven, you should goodall him
21:00:09 <Steven> whats goodall?
21:00:49 <Mekkis> Matt Goodall has an 11.2 who hasn't played a single session
21:01:57 <Steven> nah... im only gonna play him at your tables mekkis.
21:02:11 <Mekkis> ok
21:02:36 <mortswishytail> Interesting
21:02:51 <mortswishytail> Ill have a mithril wearing ac.
21:03:05 <Steven> then do subpar tactics until the party is in danger, then i will destroy the encounter and go back to doing subpar tactics again
21:03:50 <mortswishytail> Ok time to go
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21:04:59 <Steven> here... i know whats totaly fair.
21:05:07 <Steven> imma rand to see if i actually build him or not
21:05:13 <Steven> and by build i mean upload.
21:05:16 <Steven> !rand Cheesebuild RegularBuild OptimizedBuild
21:05:17 <dicebot> Steven, random: RegularBuild
21:05:22 <Steven> answer is nope
21:05:38 <Steven> so gonna go create an average character
21:12:40 <Mekkis> Steven, do you think it's acceptable for a druid's animal companion to wear metal armour?
21:14:00 * Steven shrugs
21:14:05 <Steven> no prohibition against it.
21:14:26 <Mekkis> would you believe that table variation exists regarding that issue?
21:20:24 <Steven> probably
21:25:42 <kapow> so mekkis
21:25:49 <kapow> tomorrow i will be playing an 8th level cleric
21:25:57 <kapow> Crusader/Merciful Healer
21:26:12 <kapow> with actual item creation feats!
21:26:40 <Mekkis> not just using my cohort's?
21:26:56 <kapow> no thats cheating
21:27:10 <kapow> atleast with me taking them the entire party can make stuff now
21:27:16 <Steven> what game is this?
21:27:39 <kapow> cause i think a few of the living characters want some stuff made
21:27:51 <kapow> our Slumbering Tsar game our VC is running outside society
21:28:09 <Steven> well kapow best rock that shit!
21:28:24 <Mekkis> kapow, my cohort's already doing that stuff...
21:28:44 <kapow> no daniel wasn't allowing it was he?
21:28:49 <kapow> cause he said no at one point
21:28:56 <kapow> and said you cohort wasn't allowed to
21:28:58 <Mekkis> he said yes last time it came up ingame
21:29:05 <Mekkis> Steven, basically, our VC doesn't want to run more than two games a month, so as not to exhaust the available scenarios
21:29:20 <Mekkis> I'm thinking of retiring Arjuna and bringing my wizard
21:30:08 <kapow> I was going to make a Theurge
21:30:27 <kapow> but didn't want to spend forever on optimizing it
21:30:36 <Steven> decided im going to make a Monk of the Sacred Mountain
21:31:04 <kapow> this cleric is going to dip the paladin/cleric prestige class
21:31:15 <kapow> that keeps channel energy going up but gives some more combat relevant stuff
21:32:55 <kapow> Holy Vindicator
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21:42:20 <Mekkis> kapow, got your deck on MWS yet?
22:02:39 <Mekkis> Steven, what's the highest initiative modifier you've seen?
22:03:25 <Steven> um.... my inquisitor Gunslinger
22:03:32 <Mekkis> what is it?
22:04:11 <Steven> +15 w/o Improved Initiative
22:04:19 <Mekkis> and what's the lowest initiative modifier?
22:04:32 <Steven> -2
22:04:40 <Steven> somebody took dex as a dump stat
22:05:26 <Mekkis> I'm writing an initiative tracker for diebot, and I need to be certain that the difference between highest and lowest is less than 100
22:05:42 <Steven> uhhh... okay
22:05:45 <Mekkis> I don't think it's possible for someone to have +96 or something, right?
22:08:00 <Steven> there is no way i know of for anyone to have an init of +30
22:08:18 <Steven> within pathfinder society
22:08:38 <Steven> in pathfinder rpg you might see an optimized build get that high but i really doubt it
22:08:39 <Mekkis> I wouldn't be surprised if it were theoretically possible
22:09:49 <Steven> think imma take a style feat
22:10:44 <Steven> no crane wing though...
22:10:48 <Steven> thinking panther
22:12:12 <Steven> maybe snapping turtle...
22:12:23 <Steven> never seen a snapping turtle monk
22:12:36 <Steven> ive seen several crane wingers though...
22:13:00 <Steven> so freaking boring... i enter crane wing, take a defensive attack... never get hit.
22:23:11 <Mekkis> do you think PFS is too hard, such that it's eliminating a vast swathe of options as "not good enough"?
22:26:23 <niconorsk> I'm bored and took the challenge of +30 initiative: diviner wizard level 20 +10, improved initiative +4, reactionary +2, greensting scorpion +2, anticipate peril +5, ioun stone +1, dueling weapon +4, dex 14 +2 = +30
22:26:53 <Mekkis> easy
22:27:02 <niconorsk> Can go higher easily enough, but not very likely for diebot to encounter
22:27:30 <niconorsk> If PFS happened at level 20, I think that would be a legal character
22:27:37 <Mekkis> I would venture a guess that it would not be hard to get it down to level 11
22:27:52 <Mekkis> I believe taking 1 level of gunslinger gives +2
22:31:56 <niconorsk> Still a mile off the 100 difference though. :) Why that difference, btw? Is it some artifact of IRC bot scripting?
22:34:22 <Mekkis> niconorsk, no: I'm trying to work out a good way of structuring the whole thing
22:36:52 <Steven> 30 isnt hard to get, but after +20 you are already acting 1st or maybe 2nd so there would be no need to get any higher
22:37:16 <Steven> highest init ive seen on a mob in pfs was +11
22:37:16 <Mekkis> the problem is, it needs to be able to handle the following situation: Alice on initiative 16 (mod 4) delays, Bob on initiative 16 (mod 3) readies, Enemy on initiative 14 (mod 2) acts, triggering Bob's readied action, then Alice undelays. Finally, a Newcomer arrives on initiative 14 (mod +3).
22:38:00 <Steven> alright, sleeping! peace guys
22:38:13 <Mekkis> (the correct new initiative order is Newcomer, Bob, Enemy, Alice, but it's hard to program that)
22:38:55 <Mekkis> (any input would be greatly appreciated)
22:39:10 <niconorsk> Thinking about it.
22:39:42 <Mekkis> I'd need to represent Bob's initiative as "Just Before Enemy's", and Alice's as "Just after Enemy's"
22:42:10 <niconorsk> Well, isn't it the same representation problem as two people rolling the same with the same init mod?
22:49:22 <niconorsk> Its hard to come up with a way of representing it that won't require changing other people's representation as a result of delayed or triggered actions
22:57:39 <niconorsk> How about using real numbers. So Alice starts at 16.4 then delays, Bob starts at 16.3 then readies, enemy at 14.2 acts, Bob triggers readied action coming in at 14.21, Alice undelays coming in at 14.19, Newcomer comes in at 14.3
22:58:20 <niconorsk> Not sure if it breaks down over long combat with lots of delaying and readying but that's what testing is for
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23:27:26 <Mekkis> niconorsk, tried that
23:28:01 <Mekkis> what happens if then newcomer delays until after Bob
23:28:20 <Mekkis> we have Newcomer on 14.2 and Bob on 14.2
23:30:33 <niconorsk> Bob is at 14.21, Newcomer at 14.209, enemy at 14.2
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23:37:27 <Mekkis> then Bob readies and comes in after Newcomer.
23:43:10 <niconorsk> DCed for a sec, so may have missed a statement or two, can you repeat what you said after my last statement?
23:54:53 <niconorsk> Ok, here's the math version of describing what I have in mind: Person A comes out of delay or ready responding to Person B, find the difference of the initiatives of Persons B and C that Person A has to come in between and divide by 10. Add/subtract that result(capped at 0.1 if the result is higher) to the initiative of person B. This is Person A's new initiative
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