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08:45 <Mekkis> ulzef_actualy_sleeping, some fun for you: looks like wildshape into earth elemental + hat of disguise to human works
13:02 <Avatar> source?
17:23 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jv5i?Polymorph-need-clarification#4
25:11 <Avatar> gg
30:07 <Mekkis> did you play with Darvesh, David Astley's druid?
35:12 <Avatar> yeah
35:20 <Avatar> in quest for perfection 2
36:18 <Mekkis> his character's getting unintentionally broken
36:41 <Mekkis> he's been doing the wildshape into earth elemental + hat of disguise to dwarf now
36:48 <Mekkis> walking around with an AC of 35
38:18 <Avatar> oops
38:37 <Avatar> that doesn't sound very unintentional
42:13 <Mekkis> why are sorcerers so feat-starved
46:40 <Mekkis> oh, it was funny in Golemworks
46:45 <Mekkis> have you played that, Avatar?
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09:48 <mrk> d & d?
31:52 <Wrothmonk> pathfinder society is what we play here.
34:15 <mrk> ok, havent played that variant
34:38 <mrk> i presume its a variant rather than a standalone
43:10 <Ballig> pathfinder is its own set of rules
43:13 <Ballig> based heavily on D&D 3.5e
43:42 <mrk> cool.you guys play online or?
44:16 <Ballig> yeah. we play here and use skype
44:56 <mrk> how would i get in on that? its been a while, but i used to love playin
45:25 <Ballig> if you sign up to the website you'll get invitations to games e-mailed to you
45:46 <Ballig> and if you stick around in the channel it always helps too
46:01 <mrk> good to know. website?
46:22 <Ballig> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/
47:31 <Wrothmonk> The getting started guide would be a good idea if you haven't played pathfinder society
48:30 <mrk> thanks, il have a look through and come back;)
48:41 <Avatar> just have a look through and stay here
49:40 <mrk> thanks avatar, but i gotta hit the bed. its 330am and im meant to work tomorrow,lol
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50:05 <Avatar> gg
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07:49 <Mekkis> yeah
08:00 <Mekkis> ummm
08:01 <Mekkis> no 
08:06 <Mekkis> single bite is still 1d6+2
08:19 <Wrothmonk> since he has access to two more attacks?
08:23 <Mekkis> Natural Weapons are weird
08:24 <Mekkis> yeah
08:28 <Wrothmonk> damn
08:30 <Wrothmonk> ah well
08:44 <Mekkis> if you want to do more damage, put bite on him again
08:57 <Wrothmonk> I can do that?
09:23 <Wrothmonk> it adds an extra 1/2 str
09:31 <Wrothmonk> correct?
09:31 <Mekkis> Bite (Ex)
09:32 <Mekkis> An eidolon’s maw is full of razor-sharp teeth, giving it a bite attack. This attack is a primary attack. The bite deals 1d6 points of damage (1d8 if Large, 2d6 if Huge). If the eidolon already has a bite attack, this evolution allows it to deal 1-1/2 times its Strength modifier on damage rolls made with its bite. 
09:34 <Mekkis> yeah
09:40 <Wrothmonk> Alright
09:46 <Mort-> If you wanted more damage i think id just pass him a falchion
09:47 <Mekkis> which means that with power attack, it increases more
09:54 <Mort-> 2 hand it for good measure
10:02 <Mekkis> Mort-, that's because you're an unrepentant powergamer
10:05 <Wrothmonk> you can two hand a bite?
10:09 <Wrothmonk> ...
10:12 <Mekkis> plus, he doesn't have arms
10:15 <Mort-> Bite at -5
10:18 <Mekkis> or proficiency
10:24 <Mort-> That's why i said biped
10:33 <Mekkis> that's not what he's going for
10:45 <Mort-> Mekkis is trying to get me burnt at stake for being a lemure
10:57 <Mekkis> no
10:58 <Mort-> But he asked for damage. I just gave him suggestions!
11:10 <Mekkis> for being an unrepentant powergamer
11:10 <Wrothmonk> two handing a bite?
11:13 * Mort- flutters eyelashes innocently
11:17 <Wrothmonk> thats...
11:19 <Mort-> Don't
11:25 <Mort-> Your bite is at -5
11:29 <Wrothmonk> what do you actually do?
11:35 <Mekkis> I don't know what you're talking about
11:39 <Mekkis> bite is a primary attack
11:41 <Mort-> Quadped is fine because later pounce is very nasty
11:43 <Mekkis> it's not at -5
11:53 <Mort-> If you mix manufactured and natural
11:58 <Wrothmonk> grab your jaw with both hands and push them together?
11:58 <Mekkis> so you don't do that
12:00 <Mekkis> easy
12:01 <Mort-> Your natural weapons take -5
12:17 <Wrothmonk> is that how you two hand a bite?
12:21 <Mort-> So 2 handing a falchion would put your bite at -5
12:38 <Mekkis> Mort-, some context: Wrothmonk wants his eidolon to resemble a dragon. Last we checked, dragons don't wield falchions...
12:42 <Mort-> Either you fight with manufactured weapons or fight with natural
12:54 <Mort-> Ok quadped.
13:00 <Wrothmonk> He could get arms later on
13:00 <Mort-> Then
13:07 <Wrothmonk> Some dragons have arms right?
13:37 <Mort-> Dragons I'm sorry don't use manufactured weapons
13:42 <Mekkis> not really
13:46 <Wrothmonk> K
13:51 <Mort-> Yet to see one
14:09 <Wrothmonk> Spells per day for summoner?
14:18 <Wrothmonk> nvm found it
14:19 <Mekkis> but you don't really need it: one of the properties of a summoner is that the class is generally powerful enough, without going out of your way to make it really powerful
14:34 <Mort-> The last one flamed me some then went bite claw claw wing buffet x2 tail slap
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14:52 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, what was your starting statline? 12 12 12 14 14 15?
15:09 <Wrothmonk> 12, 15, 11, 10, 10, 16
15:17 <Mekkis> before racials?!
15:19 <Wrothmonk> with mods 10, 15, 13, 10, 10, 18
15:30 <Wrothmonk> yes.
15:33 <Mort-> Can do
15:48 <Mort-> Dude I'm just an information box
15:51 <Mekkis> seems... reasonable. Itzamna did the whole "no stat below 12" thing, but w/e
16:05 <Mort-> If you want information thingies just whistle
16:11 <Mort-> I'm not evil. I think.
16:16 <Mort-> I haven't sacrificed anything yet
16:17 <Wrothmonk> I didn't want to dump wis or int.
16:31 <Wrothmonk> str I want a /chance/ in melee
16:32 <Mort-> I know quite a number of things
16:47 <Mort-> You know what's fun on summoner? :p
16:52 <Wrothmonk> what?
16:57 <Mort-> I know its unoptimal and stuff
17:00 <Mekkis> a rod of wonder!
17:08 <Mort-> But you can carry a lance ride your dragon
17:12 <Wrothmonk> ...
17:13 <Mort-> And charge!
17:20 <Mort-> You can.
17:21 <Wrothmonk> Dude.
17:24 <Wrothmonk> I already thought of that
17:26 <Wrothmonk> with wings
17:27 <Wrothmonk> no less.
17:35 <Wrothmonk> :P
17:42 <Mort-> It isn't optimal but hey if that floats your boat
17:54 <Mekkis> Rod of Wonder :)
17:57 <Wrothmonk> gnome riding a medium dragon flying down at you screaming with a lance, both rolling intimidates.
18:02 <Wrothmonk> you better run
18:03 <Wrothmonk> fast
18:05 <Mort-> I actually did come up with hammer throwing from the back of a quetzaquotal
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18:07 <Wrothmonk> :D
18:24 <Wrothmonk> … mort, I can't tell if your a genius or a madman.
18:27 <Mort-> Suggest you take the feat to sub intimidate with bluff
18:30 <Wrothmonk> Probably a little of both.
18:31 <Mekkis> she's a madwoman
18:34 <Mort-> Both
18:41 <Wrothmonk> woman*
18:43 <Wrothmonk> pardon me.,
18:52 <Mort-> Genius and insanity come hand in hand
19:01 <Wrothmonk> Normally they do,
19:09 <Mekkis>  "Madness and genius are separated only by degrees of success." --Sidar Jabari
19:10 <Wrothmonk> or at the very least the desire to blow things up
19:17 <Wrothmonk> ^this
19:25 <Mort-> There is a gnome feat to substitute intimidate with bluff
19:29 <Mort-> Suggest you take it
19:44 <Wrothmonk> why? its the same stat
19:46 <Mort-> Because trying to intimidate something bigger then you you take -4
19:52 <Wrothmonk> oh.
19:53 <Mort-> Because of that
19:58 <Wrothmonk> Later on then.
20:00 <Mort-> But no one said anything about bluff
20:13 <Mort-> Again. There are more items for intimidate then bluff
20:18 <Mekkis> depends if you want to waste a feat that way
20:24 <Mort-> Like the mask of the god king
20:24 <Wrothmonk> Yeah
20:33 <Mekkis> !item mask of the god king
20:35 <Mort-> +5 intimidate
20:37 <diebot> Mekkis, MASK OF THE MANTIS [faint divination] CL:3 head 6000gp, 1lb
20:37 <diebot> A mask of the mantis is the traditional headgear of the Red Mantis assassin. Designed both to mask the wearer's identity while on a job and to enhance the wearer's ferocious appearance, a mask of the mantis has 3 daily charges that can be used to gain additional bonuses. The wearer can spend a charge to gain darkvision to a range of 60 feet, the
20:37 <diebot> effects of see invisibility, the effects of deathwatch, or a +5 competence bonus on Perception checks. Once a charge is spent, the effect granted persists for 30 minutes before fading. Multiple effects can be active simultaneously. Charges replenish automatically in 24 hours. Source: Inner Sea World Guide
20:47 <Wrothmonk> with
20:55 <Wrothmonk> mask of the god king and you get mantis?
20:57 <Mort-> I dunno if i remembered it right
21:00 <Wrothmonk> wth*
21:11 <Mort-> But steven knows the item
21:20 <Mort-> Abuses it on his quis
21:29 <Wrothmonk> ALRIGHT
21:33 <Wrothmonk> sorry caps
21:35 <Mekkis> I'm using the Levenshtein algorithm.
21:37 <Mort-> Me...have to do it more mundanely
21:40 <Wrothmonk> time for equipment
21:47 <Mort-> Cookies
21:58 <Mekkis> clothes
22:09 <Wrothmonk> let see here. Don't care about light armor arcane penalties...
22:10 <Mort-> Always carry cookies. You can use them to summon lemurs.
22:23 <Wrothmonk> How much damage do they do?
22:31 <Wrothmonk> 1d4 claw attacks I'm assuming?
22:39 <Mort-> Uh they give free advice
22:49 <Wrothmonk> No thanks.
22:53 <Mort-> I wish you could treat it like sensei advice
22:56 <Wrothmonk> I don't need advice on killin' stuff
23:06 <Mort-> +1 to all damage and attack rolls
23:07 <Wrothmonk> unless it gives me a +1 to attacks and damage
23:10 <Mort-> But oh well
23:33 <Mort-> Studded leather
23:39 <Mort-> Chain for after first mission
23:49 <Mekkis> spend your 150gp on chain shirt
23:58 <Mekkis> buy a quarterstaff for 0gp
23:58 <Wrothmonk> thats medium
24:04 <Mekkis> and get started!
24:07 <Mort-> Light
24:09 <Mekkis> no, it's ligjt
24:13 <Mort-> Sling
24:15 <Mekkis> chainmail is medium
24:15 <Wrothmonk> oh chain shirt
24:20 <Wrothmonk> I was looking at chainmail.
24:23 <Mekkis> don't bother with a sling
24:29 <Mekkis> you have acid splash
24:30 <Wrothmonk> acid splash all the way!
24:40 <Mort-> True
24:46 <Wrothmonk> What about the armor check penalty?
24:49 <Mort-> Ok time to go. I have stuff waiting
24:51 <Mort-> Screw it
24:52 <Mekkis> and avoid crossbows like the plague
25:00 <Mort-> Get your eid to carry you
25:04 <Mekkis> endure it
25:07 <Mekkis> it's not that high
25:24 <Wrothmonk> climb and swim would be at -2
25:29 <Mekkis> that was Mort, the unrepentant powergamer...
25:33 <Mekkis> that's fine
25:47 <Wrothmonk> Rumil almost drowned with ought a rope to hang onto at -2
25:55 <Wrothmonk> I think it was a -2\
26:06 <Mekkis> you'll replace it with Masterwork Chain shirt after your first mission, which drops ACP by 1
26:14 <Mekkis> if you want it lower, take the Armour Expert trait
26:16 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
26:19 <Mekkis> dropping it by another one
26:29 <Wrothmonk> That would be good.
26:45 <Mekkis> (and then you end up buying Elven Chain (or celestial armour) when you can afford it)
28:13 <Wrothmonk> elven chain?
28:19 <Mekkis> !item elven chain
28:19 <Wrothmonk> celestial?
28:21 <diebot> Mekkis, ELVEN CHAIN [no aura (nonmagical)] CL:0 armor 5150gp, 20lb
28:21 <diebot> This extremely light chainmail is made of very fine mithral links. This armor is treated, in all ways, like light armor, including when determining proficiency. The armor has an arcane spell failure chance of 20%, a maximum Dexterity bonus of +4, and an armor check penalty of -2. Source: PFRPG Core
28:28 <Mekkis> !item Celestial armor
28:29 <diebot> Mekkis, CELESTIAL ARMOR [faint transmutation [good]] CL:5 armor 22400gp, 20lb
28:29 <diebot> This +3 chainmail is so fine and light that it can be worn under normal clothing without betraying its presence. It has a maximum Dexterity bonus of +8, an armor check penalty of -2, and an arcane spell failure chance of 15%. It is considered light armor and allows the wearer to use fly on command (as the spell) once per day. Source: Ultimate
28:29 <diebot> Equipment
29:02 <Wrothmonk> 22400 gp!?!?!?!
29:10 <Wrothmonk> well it lets you fly...
29:31 <Mekkis> they're both Worth It
30:09 <Wrothmonk> where are traits again?
30:32 <Mekkis> I believe Armor Expert is in the Pathfinder Traits Web Enhancement
30:35 <Mekkis> (and in the APG)
31:31 <Wrothmonk> pathfinder traits web enhancement, where is that?
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15:23 <Hydrazine> Why the hell am I awake in the morning?
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14:52 <Osborn> Hiii
17:50 <Wrothmonk> hi
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27:28 <Hydrazine> hi
30:10 <kapow_Office> Hiii
36:18 <Osborn> can someone explain to me how this whole thing works? ehehe
36:24 <Osborn> im reading the faq but i dont really get it D:
37:02 <kapow_Office> we use irc for rollin wit ha roll bot
37:05 <kapow_Office> !roll 1d8+2
37:05 <dicebot> kapow_Office, 1d8+2: [1d8=7] 9
37:15 <kapow_Office> also saying what we're doing combat and otherwise
37:21 <kapow_Office> we use skype to talk to make it faster
37:30 <kapow_Office> and we use a Combat assistant to track combat
37:51 <Osborn> ahhh i see
37:53 <Osborn> thats cool
37:57 <Osborn> how do i sign up or register for a game? haha
38:39 <kapow_Office> sign up on the website
38:44 <kapow_Office> when a game becomes scheduled
38:47 <kapow_Office> you'll get an email
38:58 <kapow_Office> just go int othe game and accept the invite if you can attend
39:48 <Osborn> ahhhh okay cool
39:51 <Osborn> thanks for all the help
48:49 <kapow_Office> your welcome mate
49:09 <kapow_Office> there aren't any scheduled games atm only a normal pathfinder campaign no society play unfortunetely
51:08 <Mekkis> probably next Sunday
51:11 <Mekkis> or Saturday
52:04 <kapow_Office> do you play much society?
56:42 <Osborn> im creating my first character...should it be pathfinder society? or does it not matter haha
01:10 <Hydrazine> Most of the games we do play are society rules. I'd go with that.
01:10 <Hydrazine> Most likely, a non-society gamewould require either specific character creation rules you would have to be told about, or... regular society rules.
02:31 <Wrothmonk> hey mekkis, I have a question to ask about the WoWT games
02:41 <Mekkis> Way of the Wicked?
02:48 <Wrothmonk> Yeah meant that.
03:13 <Wrothmonk> Is it an entire campaign or one scenario? since it looked like to me when you were doing it last time it was the same scenario.
03:27 <Mekkis> it's an entire campaign
04:40 <Wrothmonk> Hrm. Well the main reason I haven't made another char was I assumed you would be doing the next scenario in the campaign.
05:05 <Mekkis> what do you mean "scenario in the campaign"?
05:30 <Wrothmonk> well a campaign is multiple scenarios right?
05:36 <Mekkis> no
05:42 <Mekkis> there's no concept of "scenario"
06:29 <Wrothmonk> Ok… I'm confused then.
07:21 <Wrothmonk> Are there multiple games in WotW
07:49 <Mekkis> yes. I said you'd need to be able to commit to a game every fortnight. It's also really hard to introduce new players
09:02 <Wrothmonk> ok, then my next question is why did the last WotW game appear to be the same game that I played in
09:28 <Mekkis> because you weren't paying attention?
10:10 <Wrothmonk> Seemed awfully similar. All chained up in a cell, one guard that changes every few hours.
10:37 <Mekkis> as I said, you weren't paying attention. Avatar and Brunius can attest to that
10:47 <Wrothmonk> Alirhgt.
10:50 <Wrothmonk> alright*
10:59 <Mekkis> but the reason I started that way was because I needed to introduce new characters
11:13 <Wrothmonk> Ah,
11:26 <Mekkis> which, FYI, took up the whole session. I don't want to do it again anytime soon
11:41 <Wrothmonk> I won't bother making another char then.
12:13 <Mekkis> I did ask you if you were creating a new character before last Saturday's game, but I received no response
12:32 <Wrothmonk> I must not have noticed.
12:42 <Wrothmonk> Sorry.
18:15 <Mekkis> I can keep you in the loop the next time I need to introduce new players
23:28 <Wrothmonk> Ok thanks
23:29 <Wrothmonk> ]
30:07 <kapow_Office> I can't wait to burn things ^_^
30:32 <kapow_Office> will whats her face when we get be able to get me access to an alchemists lab mekk?
34:08 <Osborn> should i do "Roll 4d6, discard the lowest die result, and add the three remaining results together"
34:12 <Osborn> to get my characters ability scores?
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35:50 <Mekkis> Tiadora?
36:01 <Mekkis> yes, but you won't be there forever
39:31 <Osborn> !roll 4d6
39:31 <dicebot> Osborn, 4d6: [4d6=3,2,1,6] 12
39:47 <Osborn> !roll 4d6
39:47 <dicebot> Osborn, 4d6: [4d6=3,1,5,6] 15
39:53 <kapow_Office> Osborn
39:55 <kapow_Office> hold up man
40:00 <Osborn> whats up ahaha
40:02 <kapow_Office> is this for a society character :P?
40:05 <Osborn> yeah lol
40:18 <kapow_Office> okay so there is a point buy table in the pathfinder society guide
40:27 <kapow_Office> you use that with 20 point buy to get your character stats
40:40 <Osborn> oh i see
40:41 <kapow_Office> can someone get him a link i cna't at work
41:00 <Osborn> i was reading the pathfinder core rulebook thing haha
41:52 <kapow_Office> yeah society is basically you can come play a 4-5 hour scenario
42:02 <kapow_Office> and thats it you get your stuff a sheet
42:21 <kapow_Office> and you can play somewhere else with the same character as long as it' society also
42:36 <kapow_Office> if you go to google and look for Paizo, pathfinder society guide
42:40 <kapow_Office> you should find it
43:01 <Osborn> okay thanks for the help :D
43:39 <Osborn> and found it :D
47:34 <Hydrazine> Cool.
48:27 <Hydrazine> Sorry, was in a game. Otherwise I'd give you the same speech. Yeah, feel free to ask if you got any other questions. Someone will answer. it just may take a little while.
50:12 <Osborn> haha i appreciate the help, setting up is pretty confusing
51:36 <Hydrazine> Theres good and bad to Society play.
52:39 <Hydrazine> Oh, Mekkis: Monk is up to date at L3, my witch I think, is almost up to date. I don't think I ever finished picking new spells for level 2. That should be it.
52:59 <Mekkis> ok
53:14 <Mekkis> I might run Sanos
53:18 <Mekkis> that's a fun scenario
53:52 <Mekkis> actually, I think your witch would rather play it, so I'll hold off
54:15 <Hydrazine> Huh.
54:21 <Hydrazine> Interesting.
54:49 <Hydrazine> Oh, theres Nearis too, but I think hes staying in the freezer until I decide to toss him out or fix him up.
55:10 <Mekkis> Nearis?
55:33 <Hydrazine> My rogue.
56:33 <kapow_Office> lunch bbl
09:18 <Osborn> whats the prestige/fame on my character sheet mean? haha
10:12 <Mekkis> your "purchasing authority"
11:57 <Osborn> how do i determine it? haha
17:06 <Mekkis> starts at 0
18:30 <Osborn> haha thanks
21:02 <Hydrazine> You'll know it when you get it.
21:37 <Hydrazine> So whatcha making?
25:06 <Osborn> human wizard haha
25:15 <Osborn> not really sure what all these boxes mean D:
25:19 <Mekkis> can never have too many wizards
25:34 <kapow_Office> lol
25:56 <kapow_Office> mekk i can't decide between a sorcerer
26:04 <Mekkis> for PFS?
26:05 <kapow_Office> or making something mellee
26:10 <kapow_Office> again for tsar
26:12 <Mekkis> or for Tsar?
26:25 <Mekkis> make a summoner :)
26:44 <kapow_Office> nah either an Efreet Fire Sorcerer
26:49 <Mekkis> you get best of both worlds
27:05 <kapow_Office> or something paladin/magus or straight paladin
27:05 <Mekkis> charisma-based spontaneous NAD caster, and melee!
28:07 <kapow_Office> but yeah it's either efreet sorc or a paladin of some sort
28:16 <kapow_Office> 28 effective CHA for fire spells
28:29 <kapow_Office> and + caster levels
28:44 <Mekkis> kitsune sorcerer can have 32 effective
28:45 <kapow_Office> any items that make you cast spells at a higher class level in pfs?
28:48 <kapow_Office> pf*
28:50 <Mekkis> for enchantment
29:04 <Mekkis> Strand of Prayer Beads, Karma
29:10 <Mekkis> Orange Ioun Stone
29:13 <Mekkis> I think that's it
29:26 <Mekkis> there are two traits you can get
29:38 <Mekkis> and the Spell Specialisation featy
31:16 <kapow_Office> just gonna buff everything into inc caster level and CHA
31:22 <kapow_Office> and drop fireballs all day
32:55 <Mekkis> Maybe I should leave Arjuna at Bard's Gate and bring out my wizard
37:17 <Mekkis> !spell Create Undead
37:20 <diebot> Mekkis, CREATE UNDEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric 6, sorcerer/wizard 6 1 hour Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one corpse Comp: V, S, M (a clay pot filled with grave dirt and an onyx gem worth at least 50 gp per HD of the undead to be created) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:no
37:21 <diebot> A much more potent spell than animate dead, this evil spell allows you to infuse a dead body with negative energy to create more powerful sorts of undead: ghouls, ghasts, mummies, and mohrgs. The type or types of undead you can create are based on your caster level, as shown on the table below. Caster Level Undead Created 11th or lower Ghoul
37:21 <diebot> 12th-14th Ghast 15th-17th Mummy 18th or higher Mohrg You may create less powerful undead than your level would allow if you choose. Created undead are not automatically under the control of their animator. If you are capable of commanding undead, you may attempt to command the undead creature as it forms. This spell must be cast at night.
48:28 <Osborn> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=654
48:34 <Osborn> can someone take a look at this and tell me what to do D:
50:27 <Wrothmonk> class?
51:39 <Wrothmonk> also your going to be terrible at attacking things
51:44 <Wrothmonk> Period.
52:01 <Wrothmonk> You will also want to hit autofill
53:11 <niconorsk> I think he said wizard earlier
53:13 <Hydrazine> I think its worth pointing out that a fair number of spells are ranged touch, which is a dex roll to hit.
53:26 <Wrothmonk> ^^^ this
55:03 <Osborn> i see
55:23 <Wrothmonk> its dex + BAB
55:29 <Hydrazine> And magicking your enemies to death doesn't really work when you can't hit them with it.
55:44 <Wrothmonk> Unless you plan on being a magic missile spammer
55:45 <Osborn> fair enough haha
55:59 <Hydrazine> Hey, I've seen plenty fights won by magic missile.
56:11 <Wrothmonk> My point exactly
56:14 <Osborn> what dex should i be aiming for?
56:15 <Wrothmonk> but its sort of a fire once thing
56:44 <Osborn> ok i basically swapped my dex to 11 and cha to 8 haha
56:44 <Hydrazine> Dex also plays a role in armor.
56:47 <Wrothmonk> 18 total is generally good. so 16 and your human bonus in it. Although hydrazine would be what I would default to
57:01 <Osborn> really?
57:03 <Hydrazine> I think, the priority arrangement for wizards should be int>dex>con>other stuff
57:22 <Wrothmonk> switch int and dex and thats me.
57:31 <Osborn> so should i reduce my str wis etc to 7-10?
57:34 <Osborn> haha
57:43 <Wrothmonk> wis dont dump
57:49 <Wrothmonk> thats used for resisting spells
57:57 <Wrothmonk> Your going to be the target for spells as a wizard.
58:05 <Osborn> haha ok
58:09 <Osborn> so dump stats = cha str?
58:12 <Hydrazine> Didn't say that. Taking penalties in base stats can be dangerous. I'm merely stating what I think is the best order of importance.
58:44 <Wrothmonk> I did that with my second char, a sorcerer. He's melee but I'll never live down almost drowning because of an illusion and a low swim check
58:49 <Osborn> haha
58:51 <Osborn> i see
58:51 <Hydrazine> ...Take it from a guy who made 3 out of 5 characters with notable base stat penalties
59:00 <Hydrazine> One of them is already dead.
59:07 <Osborn> hahaha
59:54 <Wrothmonk> My advice is don't dump wis as a ranged.
00:24 <Wrothmonk> and never dump completely
00:32 <Hydrazine> 13, -1, -2, 2, 7, 1. 
00:44 <Hydrazine> Hey Wroth, I made the barbarians lucky. Triple 7s.
00:58 <Wrothmonk> ahuh
01:08 <Wrothmonk> lucky and low roles because you had a -2 on everything.
01:21 <Wrothmonk> high norm roll, low end roll.
02:04 <Osborn> 13...int>? haha
02:22 <Hydrazine> Theres pros and cons to all the stats. I agree with not dumping wisdom, but I think you could stand to shift some from wis into dex.
02:35 <Wrothmonk> seconding that.
03:00 <Hydrazine> remember, armor interferes with a wizard's spellcasting, so they generally don't wear it. If you can't rely on armor to help you stay alive... don't get hit.
03:10 <Wrothmonk> They wear haramakis
03:12 <Osborn> haha thats true
03:32 <Wrothmonk> or mithral chain shirts.
03:37 <Hydrazine> [(F(Sp)]ork rely on killing the other bastard first.
03:51 <Wrothmonk> oh god fork and spork...
03:53 <Hydrazine> Expensive and not an option for a new character.
03:59 <Wrothmonk> ^ that
04:06 <Wrothmonk> haramakis aren't expensive
04:13 <Hydrazine> Mithral chain is.
04:21 <Wrothmonk> Yup
04:25 <Wrothmonk> really expensive
04:31 <Hydrazine> Also, a base int of 19 is a bit unusual.
04:47 <Wrothmonk> But I still managed to pull off a melee sorcerer. Something to do with having claws I think
04:51 <Hydrazine> If you were going hard mode and willing to take the penalties to go right up to 20, that makes sense.
05:06 <Osborn> hahaha
05:09 <Osborn> so i should lower my int??
05:09 <Hydrazine> Or being a bit more conservative and starting with an 18 frees up 3 points in the point buy.
05:21 <Osborn> that makes sense
05:56 <Hydrazine> But don't get the idea that I'm shoving instructions down your throat. I'm trying to be helpful without being forceful.
06:27 <Hydrazine> Any way you cut it is fine really. Especially since lately Society even lets you rebuild a character completely between scenarios until level 2.
06:43 <Osborn> nah this is helpful
06:46 * Wrothmonk compares what everyone says, and devours what the majority agree on
06:53 <Osborn> i dont want to create a character and just have him die immediately haha
06:55 <niconorsk> I don't think there are that many ranged touch spells.  Dex is still good for AC and initiative though
06:59 <Osborn> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=654
07:01 <Osborn> how about this??/
07:30 <Wrothmonk> I'd say dump a little str if you can use it
07:39 <Wrothmonk> but then again carrying capacity...
07:49 <Wrothmonk> yeah disregard dumping str
08:04 <Osborn> haha ok
08:15 <Osborn> btw...how do i pick languages
08:18 <Osborn> i mean, how many can i learn?
08:25 <Wrothmonk> you just learn
08:26 <Hydrazine> Common + int mod
08:41 <Wrothmonk> you can learn any extra languages that aren't secret as a human
08:43 <Hydrazine> theres a list somewhere, you pick that many of the non-secret ones.
08:59 <Wrothmonk> Kobolds kinda usefull I think
09:06 <Wrothmonk> celestial if thats not secret
09:20 <Hydrazine> I think druidic is really the only big secret one.
09:20 <Wrothmonk> Those are the two I've seen come up the most.
10:23 <niconorsk> Golarion-specific languages can be a good idea for PFS at least
10:34 <Osborn> haha
10:38 <Osborn> i dont know what any of those meannnn
10:41 <Osborn> wait let me google
10:48 <Wrothmonk> All hail the google!
10:54 <Hydrazine> I think that stat layout's fine. Dude, don't stress a first character too much. Think about it like a car. You don't need to start with a Ferrari. You'd probably break it. Start with something easy enough to learn how to drive in. Then get something classy.
10:57 <Wrothmonk> Spellchecker, calculate, giver of all knowledge!
11:15 <Wrothmonk> calculator* 
11:21 <Wrothmonk> Dictionary!!!
11:37 <Hydrazine> If it makes you feel any better, my first PFS character, I've only played twice. I didn't like him, so I made others and moved on.
11:56 <Osborn> hahaha that does make me feel better
12:15 <Wrothmonk> I did a ranger, then converted him into a melee sorcerer.
12:22 <Wrothmonk> Now I have another ranger.
12:44 <niconorsk> Melee sorcerer? This I would like to see
13:00 <Hydrazine> I started with a rogue. But he ended up being just not very practical for PFS.
13:10 <Wrothmonk> ^ this happened to my dad
13:17 <Wrothmonk> although he got coup de graced.
13:26 <Wrothmonk> http://pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=492 Rumil at your service.
13:36 <Hydrazine> I CdG'd a party member in 3.5 once.
16:44 <Wrothmonk> I got the damage wrong on my morningstar...
17:05 <niconorsk> Hmm, I would have put shocking grasp in there if I was going to be a melee sorcerer but that's still pretty cool
17:20 <Wrothmonk> I debated between that and mage armor
17:21 <Hydrazine> 5, 5, 7, 2, -4, 10. Thats 25 isn't it?
17:56 <niconorsk> yep
18:08 <Hydrazine> Also if its a MW Morningstar its a +5 TAB.
18:12 <Hydrazine> 3str+1bab+1mw
18:35 <Wrothmonk> hrmm...
18:40 <Wrothmonk> theres another point in there somewhere
18:57 <Hydrazine> Am I getting the point buy wrong somehow?
19:14 <Wrothmonk> just a sec...
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19:38 <Wrothmonk> Oh I did get it wrong somehow...
20:00 <Wrothmonk> ah there it is
20:11 <Wrothmonk> There is no way I put a 16 in cha.
20:30 <Osborn> haha its pretty fun making a character
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20:39 <Hydrazine> Why do you think I've made 5?
20:41 <Wrothmonk> ok thats fixed.
20:49 <Hydrazine> ...6 if you count both Fork and Spork.
20:57 <Osborn> hahahah
21:16 <Hydrazine> They're almost the same character.
21:19 <Osborn> what does HP Gained/HD/BAB mean in the HP section? or do i not have to worry about that for now?
21:29 <Wrothmonk> wizard right?
21:33 <Hydrazine> Fill it in for wizard.
21:41 <Hydrazine> The extra lines are there for multiclassing.
21:55 <Wrothmonk> hp gained is how much hp you actually have
21:59 <Wrothmonk> from that class
22:07 <Wrothmonk> so let me see here… wizard level one
22:08 <Hydrazine> so HP gained, 7. HD, d6, 1 level, 0 bab..
22:21 <Hydrazine> 4+int skills I think. 0 0 2 saves.
22:27 <Hydrazine> ...From memory anyway.
22:29 <Wrothmonk> 6 hp gained
22:31 <niconorsk> 2+int
22:35 <Wrothmonk> total of 7 hp
22:48 <Wrothmonk> since you got the con bonus
22:55 <Wrothmonk> Also the con applies every level
22:56 <Hydrazine> Aw, it is only 2+int.
23:06 <Hydrazine> You know why Nearis was bad, Wroth?
23:09 <Wrothmonk> so level two would be… 12
23:11 <Osborn> oh
23:13 <Osborn> HD stands for hit dice
23:13 <Osborn> i see
23:14 <Osborn> haha
23:20 <Wrothmonk> Nearis?
23:25 <Hydrazine> My rogue.
23:27 <niconorsk> You can bump your HP to 8 with your favored class bonus as well
23:32 <Hydrazine> 13 skill points at level 1.
23:43 <Osborn> found it online! haha
23:43 <Wrothmonk> Yes, extra HP or skill point.
23:50 <Wrothmonk> each level again.
23:54 <niconorsk> I recommend HP
23:58 <Wrothmonk> ^ this
23:58 <Hydrazine> Me too.
24:21 <Osborn> oh
24:25 <Osborn> do wizards get a class hp bonus
24:29 <Wrothmonk> no
24:36 <Wrothmonk> its your con
24:39 <Hydrazine> Every character gets a favored class bonus every level.
24:41 <Wrothmonk> you get 6 for being a wizard
24:50 <Hydrazine> it applies to only one class.
24:52 <Wrothmonk> if you have your favored class as wizard
24:56 <Wrothmonk> unless your a half elf
24:57 <Osborn> ohhh
25:07 <Wrothmonk> you get two favored classes for being a half elf
25:19 <Hydrazine> The basic favored class benefit, is either 1 HP or one skill point.
25:25 <Wrothmonk> each level
25:30 <Hydrazine> There are other options available for specific races and specific classes.
25:33 <Osborn> i see lol
25:42 <Osborn> well does that mean i start with 8 hp instead of 7?
25:53 <Hydrazine> For example, half-orc barbarians can take an extra round of rage each level instead.
26:00 <Hydrazine> It means its up to you.
26:08 <Hydrazine> You could take a skill point instead. I'd go with the HP.
26:16 <Hydrazine> Skills don't mean shit if you're dead in one hit.
26:44 <Osborn> hahaha alright
26:51 <Osborn> so which box do i tick to show favoured class?
26:58 <Osborn> oh...nevermind found it
27:08 <Wrothmonk> Human wizards can take an extra spell if its one level below their highest level spell they can cast.
27:32 <Wrothmonk> Cant do that at level one considering you know all your cantrips besides your two sacrificed arcane schools.
27:44 <Hydrazine> ..Which I don't think is worth doing for a level 0 spell. Possibly worthwhile at higher levels.
28:16 <niconorsk> Meh, for sorcerers sure, but getting new spells for wizards is not really an issue
28:27 <Wrothmonk> wait a second… Does he have a high enough int to get bonus spells?
28:47 <Hydrazine> I don't play casters much. Could be worth it if you really want your spell book to be a Swiss Army Knife.
28:52 <Wrothmonk> if he /could/ cast level two spells he could get a level one I think
29:15 <Hydrazine> Doesn't work like that.
29:20 <Osborn> this is crazy confusing
29:20 <Wrothmonk> Damn.
29:20 <Osborn> haha
29:23 <niconorsk> You can't cast level 2 spells until level 3 regardless
29:34 <Hydrazine> Where are you having trouble?
29:43 <Hydrazine> We can slow down the side bar and give you a hand.
29:49 <Osborn> haha
29:51 <Osborn> well
29:59 <Osborn> the skills box
30:03 <Osborn> for class recorder
30:07 <Osborn> you said its 4+ int modifier yeah?
30:10 <Osborn> so i get 8 spells a day
30:13 <Hydrazine> (otherwise, Wroth, a wiz with a starting int of 18 could cast a 4th level spell. And thats nutty.)
30:18 <Hydrazine> its 2+int, I was wrong.
30:27 <Hydrazine> And thats SKILLS, not SPELLS.
30:29 <Wrothmonk> that would be awesome though.
30:31 <Hydrazine> Not at all the same thing.
30:39 <Osborn> so i write 2+int in the box? haha
30:46 <Hydrazine> Awesome for everybody except spellcasters.
30:51 <Hydrazine> Yes.
30:56 <Osborn> cool thanks
30:57 <Osborn> haha
31:06 <Hydrazine> Or just 2, if you're undrerstanding that every class has a base skills+int.
31:20 <Wrothmonk> you may want to hit calculate on your sheet
31:25 <Wrothmonk> your AC is off
31:35 <Hydrazine> We haven't even gotten there yet.
31:46 <Wrothmonk> alright then.
32:11 <Wrothmonk> Sorry, my order for creating a char is a little different.
32:38 <Osborn> haha
32:40 <Osborn> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=654
32:41 <Osborn> ok
32:46 <Osborn> is that first row ok?
33:39 <Wrothmonk> looks good.
33:51 <Wrothmonk> oh one thing I just noticed. Your pas # is off
33:55 <Hydrazine> Just imagine a world where a level 1 wizard with 20 int can pull out a level 5 spell once a day. Cloudkill. Summon Monster 5.  Beast shape 3.. 
33:57 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
33:58 <niconorsk> Write 6 in the skills.
34:15 <Wrothmonk> Its an awesome world Hydrazine!
34:23 <Wrothmonk> but I see your point of it being OP
34:35 <Hydrazine> Cloudkill? Way to TPK..
34:43 <Wrothmonk> TPK?
34:48 <Wrothmonk> never heard that term.
34:50 <niconorsk> Would sure make it easier to survive 1st level as a wizard
34:54 <Hydrazine> total party kill
34:55 <niconorsk> Total party kill
34:58 <Wrothmonk> ah
35:09 <Osborn> hahaha
35:12 <Osborn> okay
35:14 <Osborn> 6 in skills
35:16 <Hydrazine> kills things under 3 HD, no save.
35:33 <Wrothmonk> oh… that would be bad if the area hit any party members.
35:36 <Osborn> whats wrong with my pfs? i copied it off my id card i think
35:43 <Wrothmonk> Yeah thats your problem
35:51 <Hydrazine> Slap a -1 on it.
35:54 <Wrothmonk> it should have a -1 if this is your fist char
35:58 <Wrothmonk> first*
36:17 <Hydrazine> All your characters are numbered, after your PFS number. Tagged as yours, in order of birth. Like babies.
36:25 <Osborn> oh i see
36:27 <Osborn> interesting
36:27 <Wrothmonk> ...
36:32 <Wrothmonk> Thats a bit disturbing.
36:41 <niconorsk> You name your children Hydrazine-1?
36:45 <Hydrazine> So Nearis, my 'accident', is my number-1, Jerus is -2.
37:00 <Hydrazine> I don't have children. Thank god.
37:06 <Wrothmonk> Please don't extend the metaphor.
37:26 <Wrothmonk> Its disturbing enough by itself :P
37:58 <Osborn> hahahaha
37:59 <Wrothmonk> and mic, it would be Hydrazine-1 through Hydrazine-# of total children
38:05 <Wrothmonk> not just all Hydrazine-1
38:09 <Wrothmonk> nic*
38:16 <Wrothmonk> autocorrect hates me.
38:35 <Wrothmonk> I'm surprised it didn't correct that into "autocorrect loves me/"
38:44 <niconorsk> lol
39:10 <Hydrazine> I think a level 1 wizard that had 1 spell per day of 3rd, 4th, and 5th levels, could potentially do a level 1 scenario alone.
39:22 <Wrothmonk> That would be fun to watch.
39:45 <Wrothmonk> and think of the metamagic feats!
41:17 <Osborn> why does the character creation guide explain none of this TT
41:31 <Wrothmonk> Because its stupid to follow?
41:39 <Wrothmonk> My opinion only.
41:40 <Hydrazine> Because I'm usually around?
42:10 <Wrothmonk> also I think there should be a _ between those Ts
42:13 <Wrothmonk> T_T
43:05 <Osborn> hahaha
43:15 <Hydrazine> Also, kobold isn't a language. I think they speak draconic.
43:22 <Osborn> oh...
43:24 <Wrothmonk> Really?
43:44 <Wrothmonk> Odd. since Rumil can't tell what a kobold has said.
43:55 <Wrothmonk> He's been in one scenario with it.
44:48 <Osborn> yay
44:52 <Osborn> i can speak to kobolds now
45:38 <Wrothmonk> And you can speak to rumil with ought anyone being the wiser!
45:59 <Hydrazine> Yes, kobolds speak draconic. Just checked. Goblin I think might also be a handy language to have.
46:15 <Mekkis> Varisian and Thassalonian and Tian are useful
46:55 <Wrothmonk> I haven't even heard of those.
47:17 <niconorsk> Golarion regional languages
47:30 <Wrothmonk> Again, haven't heard of em :P
48:03 <Wrothmonk> oh… is Golarion the planet pathfinder society is on?
48:36 <niconorsk> Yup
48:37 <Wrothmonk> I never knew that until now… Derp.
48:44 <Wrothmonk> No wonder my characters have low int!
49:05 <Wrothmonk> They don't know what planet they are even on!!!
49:16 <niconorsk> I guess none of them take skills in Knowledge: Geography either
49:24 <Wrothmonk> Not the slightest
49:33 <Wrothmonk> Arcana for Rumil
49:39 <Wrothmonk> Nature for Wallace
49:43 <Wrothmonk> Thats it.
51:04 <niconorsk> All of them for my wizard(well missing two until level 4)
51:18 <Hydrazine> My problem with Nearis was that I wanted to sneak attack with a crossbow. I was unaware at the time how bad of an idea that is.
53:34 <Wrothmonk> ...
53:35 <Wrothmonk> Wow.
53:35 <Wrothmonk> crossbows are kinda loud.
53:44 <Wrothmonk> I play skyrim with dawnsguard enough to know that :P
53:59 <Hydrazine> Hunters manage to be sneak attack with crossbows regularly.
56:38 <niconorsk> Well, you can sneak attack with ranged, just not as easily as with melee attacks
56:58 <Hydrazine> Do you know of some trick beyond invisibility to reliably do so more than once a fight?
57:10 <Wrothmonk> cover?
57:49 <niconorsk> shatter defenses feat
57:53 <Hydrazine> -20 penalty
58:20 <niconorsk> not easy to get though
59:17 <Hydrazine> Um. How exactly does that work?
59:55 <niconorsk> If they are flatfooted, you get sneak attack dice
00:12 <Hydrazine> Thats just sneak attack.
00:22 <Hydrazine> What does it have to do with shatter defenses?
00:43 <niconorsk> shatter defenses makes them flat footed to your attacks until next turn
00:53 <Hydrazine> Benefit: Any shaken, frightened, or panicked opponent hit by you this round is flat-footed to your attacks until the end of your next turn. This includes any additional attacks you make this round.
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01:04 <Hydrazine> ....If they're shaken/frightened/panicked.
01:11 <Hydrazine> How do you get them in that condition?
01:24 <niconorsk> Dazzling display which is a prereq for shattered defenses
01:38 <Hydrazine> Dazzling display.
01:39 <Hydrazine>  While wielding the weapon in which you have Weapon Focus, you can perform a bewildering show of prowess as a full-round action. Make an Intimidate check to demoralize all foes within 30 feet who can see your display.
01:45 <Wrothmonk> Color spray?
02:12 <Hydrazine> ....All foes WHO CAN SEE YOU. Full round action, and an intimidate check. And still I don't think it causes shaken/frightened/panicked
02:24 <niconorsk> Glitterdust is another way to get sneak attacks
02:31 <Wrothmonk> glitterdust?
02:42 <Wrothmonk> d20 link plz
02:45 <niconorsk> !spell Glitterdust
02:51 <diebot> niconorsk, GLITTERDUST conjuration (creation[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, summoner 2, witch 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)  Comp: V, S, M (ground mica) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Will negates (blinding only) SR:no
02:51 <diebot> A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, causing creatures to become blinded and visibly outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell. All within the area are covered by the dust, which cannot be removed and continues to sparkle until it fades. Each round at the end of their turn blinded creatures may
02:51 <diebot> attempt new saving throws to end the blindness effect. Any creature covered by the dust takes a -40 penalty on Stealth checks.
03:14 <niconorsk> Awesome spell
03:18 <Wrothmonk> thats usefull....
03:37 <Wrothmonk> just don't get yourself covered.
03:53 <Wrothmonk> :P
04:44 <niconorsk> Yeah, that spell saved our bacon in the last scenario I played.  Blind BBEG doesn't do so much damage anymore
05:59 <niconorsk> But yeah, in general rogues wanna make friends with wizards or train UMD. :)
06:39 <Wrothmonk> Why not maguses
06:43 <Wrothmonk> they can add flanking
07:00 <Wrothmonk> and cast all that fund wizard stuff
08:24 <niconorsk> True, any caster with those spells will do
09:06 <niconorsk> As for flanking, I was still thinking ranged sneak attack
11:19 <Hydrazine> Fair enough, and thank you for the tips.
12:54 <Hydrazine> However, for the world of Society play, without a persistant party, I don't think relying on a caster to glitterdust is effective. I think dazzling display would also be ineffective, just because it doesn't work until about level 8. And you've got to be a worth something to get to 8 in the first place. 
13:05 <Osborn> hey im back
13:16 <Hydrazine> Similar to why my crazy high damage theoretical monk is impractical. It doesn't work until level 7 or so.
14:38 <niconorsk> Agreed on the practicality. For more self-reliance, major magic rogue talent and take vanish
15:17 <Hydrazine> Suffers the same 'how did you get to level 10?' problem.
16:30 <niconorsk> Why 10? I don't see anything stopping you from getting that by level 4
17:30 <niconorsk> Its not an advanced talent, you do need minor magic first otherwise you could get it at 
17:32 <niconorsk> 2
17:57 <Hydrazine> Ah, thought it was. My apologies.
19:14 <Osborn> hey
19:17 <Hydrazine> I watched AFL Footy yesterday!
19:25 <Osborn> can you guys explain the difference between AC Touch and Flatfoot?
19:29 <Hydrazine> Sure.
19:51 <Hydrazine> One is how hard it is to just touch you, even to just touch your armor. Touch AC.
20:05 <Hydrazine> Flatfooted is how hard it is to hit you when you don't know you're being hit.
20:33 <Hydrazine> 'Tag' AC and 'Suckerpunch' AC.
21:17 <niconorsk> Should totally get Paizo to rename it to that
21:29 <Osborn> i see
21:32 <Hydrazine> You can sometimes fall under both touch AND flatfooted rules at the same time. Which most likely means you're screwed.
22:33 <Hydrazine> So a big armored fighter in full plate has great flatfooted. Even if hes just standing there his armor can probably stop something.
23:22 <Hydrazine> While monks tend to have the best touch AC. When your regular method of not getting hit is just being really dodgy, it works for touch too.
24:05 <niconorsk> And wizards are screwed for both
24:47 <niconorsk> The only type of attack wizards win at is incorporeal touch
28:30 <Osborn> haha
28:32 <Osborn> makes sense
28:32 <Osborn> thanks
28:43 <Hydrazine> [F(Sp)]ork have uncanny dodge now. Should be fun times.
31:21 <Hydrazine> Too easy mate!
41:31 <Wrothmonk> I'm looking over rumil. Damn I screwed this guy up.
41:52 <Hydrazine> What, besides the pointbuy and attack rolls?
42:13 <Wrothmonk> Not mechanically but actually doing stuff effectively.
42:20 <Hydrazine> Ah.
42:47 <niconorsk> Well, the melee sorcerer plan seamed problematic from the start
42:58 <Wrothmonk> It kinda is.
43:01 <Mekkis> Please, stay away from crossbows
43:06 <Mekkis> it's SICKENING
43:14 <Wrothmonk> But I see half a dozen ways I could have done it better.
43:33 <Mekkis> !find rumil
43:34 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=492
43:43 <Hydrazine> 6base+4lvl2+4con+3toughness+2FC.
43:46 <Hydrazine> Am I missing anything?
43:57 <Hydrazine> Rumil is level 2 yes?
44:02 <Wrothmonk> level 3
44:12 <Hydrazine> Ah.
44:58 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, no favoured class
45:03 <Wrothmonk> so 14 base, +3 for toughness, +6 for con, and +3 for favored class
45:09 <Wrothmonk> wait...
45:11 <Wrothmonk> thats 26
45:16 <Hydrazine> ..Yep.
45:23 <Hydrazine> Which is what I just got to.
45:26 <Mekkis> Weren't you taking the human sorcerer favoured class cheese?
46:20 <Wrothmonk> ok. I think I'll be re-making Rumil from the start.
46:26 <Hydrazine> I'm copypastaing this right off the sheet.
46:27 <Hydrazine> 17 (standard)   =   10           +2     +4 
46:37 <Mekkis> heh
46:45 <Wrothmonk> +1 for natural
47:01 <Hydrazine> Then write it in, otherwise people like me are gonna think you suck at math.
47:08 <Wrothmonk> It is in there.
47:18 <Mekkis> it's not on the sheet
47:22 <Wrothmonk> Yes it is
47:27 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=492
47:28 <Wrothmonk> I'm looking at it right now.
47:30 <Mekkis> no it isn't
47:34 <Hydrazine> Are you looking in the TOTAL AC section?
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47:40 <Wrothmonk> ok thts weird
47:51 <Wrothmonk> Look at the pdf form
47:56 <Wrothmonk> http://pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=492
48:13 <Mekkis> that's not a PDF
48:19 <Wrothmonk> whatever
48:27 <Wrothmonk> image form.
49:08 <Mekkis> you should probably complain to Ballig 
49:14 <Wrothmonk> I plan to
49:29 <Mekkis> also: your attack bonus with longbow is too high
49:35 <Mekkis> should be -1, not +3
49:40 <Mekkis> (nonproficiency)
49:50 <Wrothmonk> wait seriously?
49:59 <Wrothmonk> … god damnit.
50:03 <Hydrazine> Bows are martial.
50:27 <Hydrazine> Get some javelins.
50:35 <Wrothmonk> Yup
50:36 <Mekkis> don't listen to Hydrazine 
50:41 <Mekkis> just cast Acid Splash
50:53 <Mekkis> as a sorcerer, ranged weapons are for chumps
50:55 <Wrothmonk> Thats what I meant by seeing half a dozen ways of improving.
51:04 <Wrothmonk> thats one
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51:12 <Wrothmonk> but I didn't know nonprofficiency
51:15 <Mekkis> (also: rebuilds are frowned upon, after first level)
51:16 <Hydrazine> Sure, but I'd carry a ranged weapon or two just incase.
51:28 <Wrothmonk> I'm not going to bother rebuilding.
51:32 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, what? in case you're up against the Tarrasque?
51:38 <Hydrazine> I agree with Mekkis. You don't need a rebuild, you just need to fix all the errors.
51:48 <Osborn> hey
51:50 <Mekkis> !history 492
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51:54 <Mekkis> hey Osborn 
51:54 <Osborn> is there anywhere when i can check the scheduled games
51:55 <Osborn> haha
52:06 <Wrothmonk> I see faults in feats and stuff as well.
52:15 <Hydrazine> Because I'm bad at casters and I would somehow manage to run out of spells/day halfway in the scenario.
52:59 <niconorsk> At low levels, casters always run out of spells, but acid splash is a cantrip so unlimited
53:14 <Mekkis> As I see it, you have four feats: Escrew Materials (bonus sorcerer), Toughness (bonus human), Armour Proficiency Light (1st), Arcane Armour Training (3rd)
53:20 <Mekkis> which is correct
53:49 <Wrothmonk> I think I know a few better ones.
54:02 <Wrothmonk> such as two handed fighting would be good for the claws.
54:22 <Mekkis> if you're trying for Hellknight Signifier, you're going the right way!
54:35 <Wrothmonk> Hellknight signifier?
54:39 <Mekkis> (which is actually a pretty good prestige class for a melee sorcerer)
54:43 <Mekkis> yeah
54:48 <niconorsk> You don't need it for claws(or if you do, I need to reconsider my alchemist build)
54:50 <Mekkis> from Paths of Prestige
54:54 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/hellknight-signifer
54:59 <Wrothmonk> I was going for dragon disciple
56:04 <Wrothmonk> interesting...
56:18 <Hydrazine> I also don't think you need anything to double claw. Natural weapon rules are different from TWF.
56:29 <Wrothmonk> Oh right forgot that.
56:34 <niconorsk> Well, given that Rumil is chaotic, Hellknight Signifier is going to be difficult
56:35 <Mekkis> just a full attack action
56:46 <Mekkis> changing alignment is possible, and permitted
56:56 <Hydrazine> Doesn't get better with BAB though, correct?
57:00 <Mekkis> all you need to do is pay about 300gp for an Atonement
57:07 <Hydrazine> as in, two claws at BAB 6/1 is still.. two claws.
57:14 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, you don't get additional attacks with BAB, no
57:20 <Hydrazine> Thought so.
57:52 <Hydrazine> But the claws ability does improve as you level, in some way.
58:00 <Osborn> hey, can you guys help me sort out my ac and attack modifiers? :P
58:06 <Osborn> i really do not know how
58:14 <Wrothmonk> hit calculate and autofill?
58:14 <Hydrazine> So I guess there is your compensation. Though don't expect to keep up with the TWF rangers.
58:19 <Osborn> oh
58:20 <Osborn> is it that easy
58:29 <Osborn> thank you haha
58:34 <Mekkis> not really: one thing I dislike about that sort of sorcerer ability is that they're pretty crap, and limited to rounds per day, and don't really scale
58:41 <Hydrazine> Possibly. What else are you missing?
58:58 <Wrothmonk> I'm starting to feel sick that I made this guy!
59:03 <Mekkis> !history Rumil
59:04 <Osborn> i still have to buy equipment and stuff haha
59:06 <Hydrazine> Well, I think its in terms of goals; Mekkis.
59:07 <Wrothmonk> hindsight = 20/20
59:27 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, could have been worse: you could have made Mytiazair 30 months ago
59:41 <Wrothmonk> !char Mytiazair
59:45 <Hydrazine> I mean, looking at it as a route to a fighter-alternative with magic... it should be less melee power. Otherwise why have fighters at all?
00:06 <Mekkis> and have a continual, level 11, reminder of why multiclassing wizards such that they lose caster levels is a Bad Thing
00:10 <niconorsk> Isn't that what the Magus is designed for
00:13 <Hydrazine> Looking at the claws as a suitable backup plan for a sorc who ends up in melee? sure.
00:20 <Osborn> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard can i use this to figure out class features etc?
00:28 <niconorsk> Yup
00:38 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, but its a good idea to have the actual books
00:42 <Mekkis> Osborn, more or less: I'd stick with the /actual/ PRD, rather than d20pfsrd
00:55 <niconorsk> And there are some PFS specific changes
00:56 <Wrothmonk> d20 is more of a way to find new stuff you would like.
00:59 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Mytiazair11.pdf
01:11 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, sure, if you're willing to arbitrarily buy books
01:28 <Wrothmonk> I got my dad interested.
01:36 <Wrothmonk> Therefore he pays for it all :P
02:40 <Osborn> hahaha okay
03:23 <Osborn> thanks for the help mekk
04:12 <Wrothmonk> man that guy can speak!
04:29 <Mekkis> who?
04:36 <Wrothmonk> Mytiazair
05:33 <niconorsk> 11 ranks in linguistics will do that
05:59 <Wrothmonk> He can curse you out in 19 different languages… heh
06:08 <Mekkis> yeah, but the lack of combat effectiveness (especially against creatures with SR) is a big issue
06:17 <Wrothmonk> Oh hell yeah.
06:59 <Osborn> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=654
07:03 <Osborn> can you guys take a look at this please ^^
07:21 <Wrothmonk> hp gained from wizard should be 6
08:39 <Wrothmonk> you still need to fix your pas #
08:42 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
08:44 <Wrothmonk> ******
08:48 <Wrothmonk> autocrrect
09:06 <Wrothmonk> need tofill in the totals for BAB, skills, and saves
09:07 <niconorsk> Thats with bonuses added.  Where else is he supposed to add those bonuses?
09:23 <Wrothmonk> at total?
09:29 <Wrothmonk> Thats what I do.
10:15 <Wrothmonk> Otherwise it looks good to me on what you have in so far.
10:43 <Osborn> oh
10:48 <Osborn> haha
10:49 <Osborn> thanks man
10:51 <Osborn> ill do that
10:51 <Osborn> :D
13:27 <Wrothmonk> hem… I can't decide if I should go to bed or make a level 1 remake of Rumil.
13:29 <Wrothmonk> hrm*
14:06 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, make a level 1 remake of Rumil - as a summoner
14:15 <Mekkis> aren't enough summoners on this channel
14:30 <Wrothmonk> I still want dragon disciple though
15:15 <Mekkis> you can go summoner / dragon disciple
15:25 <Mekkis> or bard/dragon disciple
15:43 <Brunius-> Photos from arc are up on facebook
15:43 <Wrothmonk> the full five levels of dragon disciple would be better.
16:05 <Brunius-> Pathfinder Society Australia Page
16:07 <Wrothmonk> considering it stacks with dragon disciple powers.
16:32 <Mekkis> yeah, but the Dragon bloodline (like pretty much every bloodline), is pretty crap
18:05 <Wrothmonk> ok quick question I only need to take the draconic bloodline after the dragon disciple gets put in right?
18:42 <Wrothmonk> I could be a completely different bloodline then go Dragon disciple right?
18:59 <Mekkis> if you're a sorcerer, you need to have the draconic bloodline
19:51 <Mekkis> I'm still not sure what the /point/ of Dragon Disciple is... it seems like it's just carryover baggage from 3.5
21:24 <Wrothmonk> Well I can't change bloodline after first level.
21:30 <Mekkis> if you want a dragonlike character, your best bet is to go summoner and call your eidolon a dragon, and give it feats accordingly
21:39 <Mekkis> feats and evolutions
23:41 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
23:46 <Wrothmonk> Seems interesting.
28:33 <Wrothmonk> So what book is this from?
32:35 <Wrothmonk> mekkis?
36:52 <niconorsk> What book is what from? The summoner?
37:10 <Wrothmonk> yeah
37:15 <niconorsk> APG
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38:00 <Wrothmonk> ty
38:07 <Wrothmonk> Just wanted to make sure I had the book
38:38 <Wrothmonk> although for some reason I didn't have it downloaded...
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42:18 <Hydralaptop> Ahem. Hydrazine. Do me a favor?
42:57 Hydrazine is now known as Meltytashes
43:32 <Hydralaptop> Thats better.
43:50 <Wrothmonk> ???
44:09 ulzef_actualy_sleeping is now known as Ulzef
44:35 <Mekkis> and Wrothmonk no: if you want to do sorcerer -> dragon disciple, then you need to start with draconic bloodline. If, however, you want to do say bard -> dragon disciple, then you don't choose your bloodline until you hit dragon disciple
45:08 <Wrothmonk> Summoner looks better
45:14 <Wrothmonk> You got me hooked.
45:59 <Mekkis> if you want a western-style dragon, you'd probably start with bipedal form. If you'd rather an eastern-style dragon, start with serpentile or aquatic
47:39 <Hydralaptop> Bipedal also leads to Charizard.
48:13 <Wrothmonk> Hydra
48:29 <Wrothmonk> You just convinced to make a summoner, /right now/
48:39 * Hydralaptop bows.
48:45 Hydralaptop is now known as Hydrazine
48:54 <Hydrazine> We do what we must. Because we can.
49:04 <Wrothmonk> For the good of all of us.
49:21 <Wrothmonk> :P
49:30 <Osborn> hey, is the equipment shop on the main site?
49:39 <Mekkis> chapter six, iirc
50:19 <Wrothmonk> I'm debating if I should make my summoner Rumil's son. Especially since he is 16 and has a wisdom of 7...
50:45 <Mekkis> why dump wisdom
50:53 <Brunius> What class is Rumil?
50:56 <Mekkis> for that matter, when building a summoner, why dump anything?
51:11 <Wrothmonk> Idk why I dumped wisdom.
51:27 <niconorsk> Its Rumil, the sorcerer, that has wis 7
51:28 <Mekkis> here's a secret: a summoner doesn't actually need stats
51:34 <Hydrazine> Thats sorta like saying "I don't know why I cut off my own leg."
51:42 <Wrothmonk> Yeah pretty much.
51:53 <Wrothmonk> I didn't realize I cut off my own leg at the time?
52:01 <Ulzef> i play min cha summoners
52:06 <Hydrazine> Atleast with [F(Sp)]ork cut out their brains to be stronk.
52:18 <Wrothmonk> Yes…. Stronk
52:22 <Ulzef> for exsample not gonna get above 4th lvl spells in society go 14 cha
52:35 <Mekkis> I think I'll start calling any character that dumps int and wis as "mentally retarded"
52:58 <Mekkis> it's not like you'll be asking for saves anyway, right?
52:58 <Ulzef> what if they only dump 1
53:08 <Mekkis> that's just mentally unbalanced
53:11 <Wrothmonk> I believe I was mentally retarded at pfs when I made rumil.
53:14 <Brunius> dumping wis but having high int could be, say, aspergers
53:15 <niconorsk> Go cha 12 and bump it to 14 with a headband later, imo
53:43 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, I'm not referring to "mentally retarded" as an insult, I'm referring to it as a medical condition.
53:44 <Ulzef> Ulzef has 16 int and 7 wis 
53:50 <Wrothmonk> Ah
53:58 <Ulzef> but he makes up for his lack of wis in study
54:07 <Wrothmonk> rumil doesn't really...
54:09 <Wrothmonk> 12 int
54:16 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has 24 int and 7 wis :)
54:17 <Wrothmonk> I did it just for the extra language.
54:37 <Mekkis> (he still has +20 perception)
54:37 <Ulzef> Ulzef gets int to ac
55:07 <Wrothmonk> 3 for Rumil.
55:17 <Wrothmonk> iseenothing.avi
55:34 <Mekkis> wow
55:38 <Ulzef> Mortoks perc is -1
55:41 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has no ranks in climb!
56:02 <Hydrazine> Its not though. Its just below average.
56:22 <Mekkis> should put Slick on his armour
56:37 <Mekkis> what's Ulzef's escape artist?
57:34 <Ulzef> +4
57:58 <Ulzef> i normal crane slap grapples and his CMD is rather good
58:14 <Mekkis> ah
59:44 <Ulzef> dodge bonuses go on CMD
59:52 <Mekkis> fair enough
59:58 <Mekkis> but once you're grappled?
00:53 <Ulzef> cmb is + 8
01:07 <Ulzef> really should get agile manuvers
01:18 <Wrothmonk> brb making character
01:22 <Mekkis> so it's "hope I haven't pissed off too many of my fellow pathfinders recently"?
01:44 <Ulzef> ii have high diable device 
01:47 <Wrothmonk> Having several pdfs open at once, so blocking out chat.
01:54 <Ulzef> disable*
02:59 <Mekkis> (for example, if a monster grapples you, and you can't crane style it)
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03:47 <Ulzef> then i have enough PA to get rescued and rezed
03:59 <Mekkis> fair enough
04:19 <Mekkis> don't you have freedom of movement now anyway?
04:39 <Ulzef> nah i was lieing to them
04:48 <Mekkis> ah
05:22 <Ulzef> he has good bluff as well
11:09 <Avatar> yo sup
12:45 <Mekkis> wroth's making a summoner
13:20 <Mekkis> I'm hoping it won't slow down Wrothmonk's time to achieving 5th level
13:39 <Wrothmonk> it kinda will considering I'm not going to play rumil.
13:53 <Wrothmonk> Wallace is 2 games away from level 3 so not by much though.
14:07 <Mekkis> isn't Rumil 1 game from level 4?
14:10 <Wrothmonk> actually he is technically 4 games away from rumil.
14:11 <Avatar> what's wrong with rumil
14:33 <Wrothmonk> I dumped wis.
14:37 <Mekkis> so?
14:40 <Avatar> is he a cleric
14:47 <Wrothmonk> sorcerer.
14:52 <Avatar> sorcerers can dump wis
14:57 <Mekkis> not seeing the problem here
15:12 <Avatar> str and wis are dump stats for sorcerers
15:20 <Wrothmonk> hes a melee sorcerer.
15:30 <Avatar> !findchar rumil
15:31 <diebot> Avatar, Character: rumil, number: ( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char= )
15:34 <Mekkis> as far as your stats are concerned, it seems fine
15:45 <Avatar> what's going on mekkis
15:51 <Mekkis> !findchar Rumil
15:52 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Rumil, number: ( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char= )
16:08 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=492
16:44 <Avatar> that build can still work
16:53 <Avatar> it's not optimised
16:54 <Wrothmonk> I'm not so sure about it.
17:04 <Avatar> only your 14 cha will hurt some
17:18 <Avatar> not sure what you were thinking there
17:38 <Mekkis> just stick with stuff like scorching ray and other things that don't require saves and you're fine
17:41 <Avatar> just means you'll want to get your hands on a +4 headband of cha as soon as you can
17:56 <Avatar> it's still very playable
18:19 <Wrothmonk> hem… I still don't exactly feel like wanting to play him.
18:36 <Wrothmonk> hrm*
18:43 <Avatar> well you still have wallace around the same level
18:43 <Hydrazine> Eh. Its your call man, but hes not as bad as some other stuff we've seen. And made.
19:06 <Wrothmonk> 4 games away. So yeah that is my plan.
19:38 <Avatar> you don't want to end up with a lot of characters at level 3 before getting tired of them though
20:00 <Wrothmonk> yeah ik
20:09 <Avatar> you'll end up being sick of being low level forever and sick of PFS for it
20:55 <Hydrazine> I tried to get a high level character once.
21:11 <Avatar> only once?
21:17 <Avatar> that's where you went wrong I think
21:51 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, here's a perspective: as of mid-2012, when you start PFS, you have 53/99 scenarios available to play
22:08 <Mekkis> when you hit 3rd, there are another 3 available
22:18 <Mekkis> when you hit 5th, another 16 become available
22:30 <Mekkis> when you hit 7th, another 22 become available
22:32 <Hydrazine> Well, I haven't really been playing much since.
22:40 <Wrothmonk> I see.
22:41 <Mekkis> and when you hit 12th, 4 more are available
23:03 <Mekkis> by delaying your time to hitting 5th, about half of the available scenarios will remain closed to you.
23:18 <Wrothmonk> Well I guess since you guys say he's playable I'll give it a try.
23:22 <Wrothmonk> if he dies he dies.
23:29 <Mekkis> (They'll also remain somewhat closed to the rest of this group, as it's pretty small and we try and accommodate as many players as possible)
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24:59 <Wrothmonk> quick question. What are good and bad saves on Eidolons?
25:07 <Mekkis> depends on base form
27:06 <Wrothmonk> I see.
27:20 <Mekkis> what base form are you thinking about getting?
27:38 <Wrothmonk> serpentine or biped
27:51 <Wrothmonk> quadruped*
27:55 <Wrothmonk> not biped
28:01 <Avatar> or aquatic
28:07 <Mekkis> quadruped is reflex and fort
28:07 <Avatar> one of those 4
28:24 <Wrothmonk> serpentine is ref and will
28:37 <Wrothmonk> I'm leaning towards quadruped because of the speed.
29:01 <Avatar> the problem I find with summoner is you really want to think about how your entire build is going to be from level 1
29:05 <Mekkis> if you take the evolutionist archetype, you have the opportunity to change the base form
29:34 <Avatar> what's evolutionist
29:35 <Mekkis> I've found that with the summoner you get to change your build every level
29:41 <Mekkis> which is more than any other class gets
29:54 <Avatar> I haven't heard of changing the base form
30:14 <Mekkis> Evolve Base Form (Su)
30:14 <Mekkis> Starting at 8th level, whenever he gains a level, the evolutionist can change his eidolon’s base form to a new base form. Once chosen, this base form is set until the evolutionist gains another summoner level.
30:14 <Mekkis> This ability replaces transposition.
30:24 <Avatar> from 8th level
30:26 <Avatar> cmon
30:43 <Mekkis> it's significant
30:49 <Wrothmonk> interesting.
30:51 <Mekkis> 8th level is when you'd WANT to change your base form
31:01 <Avatar> not if you don't know what you're building as you go
31:22 <Mekkis> there's not that much of a difference between the forms
31:53 <Avatar> I think it is significant
31:58 <Avatar> some evolutions are only available to certain forms
32:08 <Avatar> I'll dig up that list I made
32:24 <Wrothmonk> I don't see myself using the things it replaces. But then again I don't know what to expect that high level.
32:30 <Avatar> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ant1BdkLaMihdFh2QW5XbGR3SUhEMmZjVC1leHh5dXc#gid=0
33:09 <Mekkis> but that's because you're an unrepentant powergamer, Avatar 
33:29 <Avatar> don't think so
33:33 <Avatar> that would be you
33:41 <Mekkis> hey! I'm repentant
33:52 <Avatar> you are repetant when I make you repent
33:58 <Mekkis> you're not
34:02 <Wrothmonk> I agree with mekkis.
34:09 <Wrothmonk> No offence
34:10 <Avatar> why do you agree
34:29 <Wrothmonk> because you actually make those kinds of sheets?
34:37 <Avatar> give me an example
36:22 <Osborn> can anyone tell me where to buy equipment? :(
36:41 <Avatar> in the equipment section of the rulebook
36:41 <Wrothmonk> from the equipment section in the core rulebook or ultimate combat?
36:57 <Wrothmonk> d20 equipment section?
37:01 <Osborn> i see
37:02 <Osborn> thanks
37:21 <Osborn> ive been poking around on the website for the past 15 minutes
37:22 <Osborn> hahaha
37:31 <Avatar> yell out if you have any questions man
37:40 <Avatar> 15 minutes is too long to not ask
37:41 <Wrothmonk> And we shall pounce
38:07 <Mekkis> Osborn, http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
38:22 <Osborn> thanks all haha
38:35 <Mekkis> (that's the Official equipment list)
39:15 <Wrothmonk> Do summoners cast arcane or divine spells?
39:18 <Mekkis> arcane
39:22 <Mekkis> spontaneous
39:32 <Avatar> that only includes core stuff
39:33 <Wrothmonk> interesting...
39:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, that's the idea.
39:56 <Avatar> that doesn't get books sold
40:03 <Mekkis> they basically looked at the spell lists, took all the good spells, reduced the levels of some of them, and added them to the other lists
40:13 <Wrothmonk> I could still do dragon disciple with a summoner.
40:19 <Avatar> I considered going for a summoner who acts like a wizard
40:47 <Avatar> briefly
41:26 <Mekkis> Avatar, you said yourself that if someone was starting playing and was forced to buy a bunch of books, they'd probably stop. Better to not encourage that right?
41:38 <Wrothmonk> ...
42:06 <Avatar> I'm not suggesting anyone should be forced to buy a bunch of books
42:22 <Avatar> but if they don't even get to see what's in them, then they wouldn't even ever consider it
42:24 <Mekkis> but you are suggesting them to use a bunch of stuff from additional resources
42:29 <Wrothmonk> I'd like to point out that when I first got my dad interested in PFS he said, and I quote "I see pathfinder society is continuing the tradition of having you buy tons of books."
42:30 <Avatar> yes
42:37 <Avatar> that's the only way I bought mine
43:05 <Wrothmonk> Now then, back to figuring out race.
43:06 <Avatar> and I didn't buy them immediately
44:06 <Mekkis> GNOME!
44:13 <Wrothmonk> considering that
44:25 <Wrothmonk> Aasimar looks good to
44:34 <Mekkis> gnome is better
44:39 <Mekkis> gnome is always better
45:01 <Meltytashes> Are Aasimar open to the general public now?
45:09 <Mekkis> they are, but gnomes are better
45:11 <Wrothmonk> I do like gnomes, however I'm not sure I want to be punted in pfs...
45:28 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, I've played three gnomes, and none of them have been punted
45:39 <Wrothmonk> I'm not sure I trust you on that.
46:16 <Hydrazine> Fork threw a gnome once.
46:22 <Hydrazine> But thats different. He volunteered.
46:22 <Mekkis> ok, so you're playing a gnome summoner and someone tries to punt you. You then proceed the glitterdust them and send your dragon to maul them.
46:33 <Wrothmonk> ok that sounds fun
46:58 <Mekkis> (Itzamna would probably discharge the Rod of Wonder at them multiple times first)
47:18 <Wrothmonk> basically you can do Asimar, fetchlings, tengus, and tieflings from the ARG
47:25 <Mekkis> not fetchlings
47:39 <Mekkis> and the plural of Tengu is Tengu.
47:40 <Wrothmonk> oops right
47:45 <Wrothmonk> ok
47:48 <Wrothmonk> I stand corrected
47:53 <Wrothmonk> but not punted corrected.
48:47 <Wrothmonk> alright, adding to the fact that rumil the second is the son of rumil, rumil also apparently knocked up a gnome… :P
49:05 <Mekkis> !reincarnate wonder
49:07 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 91:  Shimmering colors dance and play over a 40-ft.-by-30-ft. area in front of rod. Creatures therein are blinded for 1d6 rounds (Fortitude DC 15 negates).
49:18 <Mekkis> !reincarnate wonder
49:19 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 65:  Turn ethereal any nonliving object of up to 1000 lbs. mass and up to 30 cubic ft. in size.
49:39 <Wrothmonk> You have an automatic roll for wands of wonder?
49:43 <Wrothmonk> cool
49:55 <Mekkis> yeah
50:04 <Mekkis> and for reincarnate
50:07 <Mekkis> !reincarnate pf
50:26 <Mekkis> !reincarnate Pathfinder
50:28 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 20: Elf
50:45 <Wrothmonk> race rolling?
50:54 <Mekkis> !spell reincarnate
50:57 <diebot> Mekkis, REINCARNATE transmutation ([]) druid 4, witch 5 10 minutes Range: touch dead creature touched Comp: V, S, M, DF (oils worth 1,000 gp) Duration: instantaneous Save: none; see text SR:yes (harmless)
50:58 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/reincarnate.html
52:11 <Wrothmonk> alright, gnome it is!
52:18 <Wrothmonk> a somewhat tall gnome...
54:17 <Hydrazine> tall gnome?
54:25 <Mekkis> yeah
54:28 <Mekkis> 3'10"
54:35 <Wrothmonk> 4ft 3
54:52 <Wrothmonk> Rumil knocked up a gnome and had a son
55:14 <Wrothmonk> Rumil is 5 ft 1 so I went for middle ground
57:14 <Wrothmonk> What would be the average weight for gnomes?
57:45 <Wrothmonk> nvm
58:03 <Mekkis> that's very tall for a gnome
58:28 <Mekkis> you sure it's not 3'8" with a big turban on top (like Itzamna did with he met Ulzef)
59:02 <Avatar> can gnomes get that tall
59:16 <Wrothmonk> Well...
59:20 <Mekkis> 3'2" to 3'8" seems to be the case
59:39 <Wrothmonk> height and weight are purely cosmetic though right?
59:55 <Mekkis> except when they matter
00:00 <Avatar> 3'0" + 2d4
00:29 <Avatar> effectively cosmetic
00:30 <Wrothmonk> Anything on half gnomes?
00:32 <Mekkis> (Grolschmir weighs 37lb, and always watches his weight - his mount's light load is around 50lb, so it's very important)
00:50 <Avatar> for all intents and purposes you're still a small character, still a gnome
01:00 <Wrothmonk> oh all right...
01:06 <Wrothmonk> Max height and weight then.
01:08 <Avatar> you'd be pushing it to say "I'm 5' so I can reach it"
01:30 <Avatar> short arms would make up for that kind of thing
01:38 <Mekkis> oh, and take the Gnomish Reroll
01:50 <Wrothmonk> ?
01:53 <Mekkis> APG
01:55 <Mekkis> under races
02:34 <Mekkis> p14
02:40 <Mekkis>   Eternal Hope: Gnomes rarely lose hope and are always confident that even hopeless situations will work out.
03:06 <Mekkis> Gnomes with this racial trait receive a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against fear and despair effects. Once per day, after rolling a 1 on a d20, the gnome may reroll and use the second result. This racial trait replaces the defensive training and hatred racial traits.
03:48 <Mekkis> you lose your bonus to AC vs giants and your bonus to attack vs kobolds and goblins
04:22 <Wrothmonk> Sounds good to me. Although I will be looking over other traits.
05:49 <Avatar> yeah that one is a no brainer
06:23 <Wrothmonk> oh wait a second. I can take that withought losing one of the normal 2 traits right? 
06:35 <Mekkis> it's not a "trait"
06:41 <Mekkis> it's an alternate racial thingy
06:53 <Wrothmonk> Right, I think I remember going through that.
09:15 <Avatar> alternate racial trait
09:31 <Mekkis> I remember Avatar's cheese of claiming that those things were "traits", so he took Adopted (halfelf) to get +2 to an ability of his choice
09:37 <Avatar> not to be confused with the two traits you get
09:52 <Avatar> nobody knew how traits worked back then man
09:59 <Mekkis> I did
10:00 <Avatar> everyone asks about adopted
10:07 <Mekkis> and I explained it to you
10:17 <Mekkis> but you were like "the GM won't know..."
10:31 <Avatar> if I said "the GM won't know..." then I was messing with you
10:39 <Wrothmonk> The gm should know
11:01 <Wrothmonk> according to the PFS guide the GMs should be all knowing about rules.
11:05 <Mekkis> the GM in this case was lucianus
11:09 <Mekkis> and it wasn't PFS
11:23 <Avatar> well in that case I was probably talking about messing with lucianus
12:52 <Mekkis> where did Squirrel go?
14:14 <Wrothmonk> here, my dog is barking out of the wazoo, at 1:14 am.\
16:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, could you make blood inactive for WotW please
16:52 <Mekkis> and Teian-Sho
20:26 <Avatar> soitanly
20:32 <Mekkis> ?
20:56 <Avatar> done
21:19 <Avatar> is there any limit on the 200gp of items
21:23 <Avatar> re outside core
21:40 <Wrothmonk> which should I put the racial bonus to, craft or profession?
22:05 <Wrothmonk> I'm going to be using perform for my profession since its going to be 18-20
22:20 <Wrothmonk> dayjob, not profession
24:11 <Avatar> what's your highest out of int/cha/wis
24:21 <Mekkis> Academician Some gnomes are more academically inclined than their kin. Gnomes with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus on any single Knowledge skill. This racial trait replaces the obsessive racial trait.
24:33 <Avatar> oh, cha
24:41 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, obviusly
24:48 <Wrothmonk> Although I'm still kinda figuring out stats.
24:57 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, why not swap it out for +2 to knowledge?
25:15 <Wrothmonk> Good idea. KN local would be a nice touch
26:42 <Mekkis> as I said, Gnomes are always better
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26:55 <Wrothmonk> I'm seeing that more and more:P
27:02 <Wrothmonk> more :P*
27:20 <Ulzef> is there anyway to make a unarmed or archer magus?
27:29 <Ulzef> its not a class i have really looked at
27:37 <Wrothmonk> ...
27:44 <Wrothmonk> Magus; melee sorcerer
27:49 <Wrothmonk> unarmed, maybe
28:02 <Mekkis> Ulzef, natural weapon perhaps?
28:19 <Brunius> I think there's a ranged touch spellstrike that you can do by combining with gunslinger
28:38 <Mekkis> I thought there were two types of magi: the ones who used Shocking Grasp and the ones who were ineffective
28:49 <Wrothmonk> I thought that was a gunslinger archetype.
29:02 <Wrothmonk> ^ Mekkis: this, this, this
29:39 <Wrothmonk> ^Mekkis @Ulzef*
29:46 <Avatar> I still can't bring myself to make a magus
29:46 <Mekkis> it's why I dislike magi
30:02 <Wrothmonk> Same here avatar.
31:02 <Ulzef> i feel like i should give all classes a go before writing them off
31:33 <Wrothmonk> Its not a very effective strategy, you could get the stats all wrong and think: Wow this class is stupid
31:47 <Mekkis> Ulzef, that's one approach
32:03 <Mekkis> but if I can't stomach a class, I'm not going to try playing it
33:12 <Mekkis> like Monk
33:36 <Ulzef> i always wrote of barb and i am enjoying mortok
33:55 <Wrothmonk> Monks… I wish I could make a cat folk monk just for giggles.
34:00 <Mekkis> I enjoyed the last barbarian I wrote
34:12 <Mekkis> good old Jasim
35:04 <Avatar> yeah there are a lot of classes i've never tried
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35:23 <Mekkis> I've been meaning to play an Oracle
35:43 <Avatar> oracle and inquisitor are on my shortlist
35:54 <Avatar> divine though :|
36:06 <Mekkis> don't be a mort about divine classes!
36:21 <Wrothmonk> Oracle i'm interested in, but I'm terrible at healers.
36:22 <Avatar> I had a cleric that turned me off it
36:52 <Avatar> you don't really need to be a healer if you try not to be
36:58 <Avatar> they make good healers, but they're not only healers
37:06 <Wrothmonk> Then again my CLW wand going down 9 charges and everyone surviving except for a CDG surviving is testate against that.
37:25 <Mekkis> if you're playing a healer, you still need to know what to do when you're not healing
37:32 <Mekkis> that's Kernigahn's current issue
37:45 <Mekkis> there's no point casting Bless while he's got the flag out
38:01 <mrk> hey again guys;)
38:05 <Wrothmonk> Hello
38:11 <Mekkis> almost want to take a level of bard so he can help the party even more while still delaying all the time
38:28 <Hydrazine> There is an archetype rather specifically to do ranged attacks with magus stuff.
38:39 <Wrothmonk> Seriusly?
38:49 <Wrothmonk> …Misnomer archetype ftw!
38:59 <Hydrazine> And I don't see why it wouldn't work with unarmed if you had IUS.
39:02 <Hydrazine> Its a melee weapon.
39:20 <Hydrazine> Hell, should be even easier. Its already legal to deliver touch spells via punch.
39:22 <Avatar> sup mrk
40:10 <Wrothmonk> Really?
40:15 <Wrothmonk> I did not know that.
40:17 <Hydrazine> Yeah, Why not?
40:29 <Wrothmonk> Another reason why I could do better with rumil...
40:41 <Wrothmonk> :P
41:04 <Hydrazine> Its why a cleric/monk is on my long list of things that sound cool but I probably won't actually get around to.
41:15 <Hydrazine> inflict wounds+stunning fists yo.
41:15 <Mekkis> druid/monk?
41:20 <mrk> hey avatar:) just reviewing the pathfinder pdf..lol
41:44 <Hydrazine> do druids get much touch attack spells?
41:57 <Mekkis> they get Produce Flame
42:29 <mrk> mmm, fire:)
42:32 <Wrothmonk> I've been wondering… Theres a cantrip for igniting stuff right?
42:38 <Hydrazine> yes.
42:46 <Hydrazine> You can't just light your enemies on fire.
42:56 <Mekkis> !spell spark
42:57 <diebot> Mekkis, SPARK evocation ([fire]) bard 0, cleric 0, druid 0, sorcerer/wizard 0, witch 0, magus 0 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one Fine object Comp: V or S Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude negates (object) SR:yes (object)
42:58 <diebot> You can make an unattended Fine flammable object catch on fire. This works as if you were using flint and steel except that you can use spark in any sort of weather and it takes much less time to actually ignite an object.
42:59 <Wrothmonk> No, not thinking that.
43:05 <mrk> thats right. i used to try that lol
43:11 <mrk> well, on people
43:34 <Wrothmonk> Is there some sort of flammable substance you could say… coat your fist with?
43:51 <mrk> oil?
43:52 <Hydrazine> Only if you feel like burning yourself.
43:53 <Mekkis> you mean like oil?
43:58 <Wrothmonk> Yes.
44:02 <Mekkis> tiefling?
44:05 <Hydrazine> alchemist's fire too perhaps.
44:09 <Wrothmonk> Coat your fist, set it on fire, and punch.
44:13 <Avatar> it would hurt
44:19 <Avatar> you
44:19 <Wrothmonk> Would it hurt your enemy?
44:26 <Hydrazine> The fire would hurt you just as much if not more than the other guy.
44:28 <mrk> what about gauntlets wrapped in oiled cloth?
44:30 <Avatar> probably not in the way you're thinking
44:40 <Avatar> that kind of thing might add 1 fire damage
44:43 <Hydrazine> How about for an experiment.
44:44 <Avatar> and do 1d6 to you
44:47 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, try punching a candle
44:50 <mrk> lol
44:53 <Wrothmonk> XD
44:56 <Mekkis> it doesn't actually hurt much
45:00 <Wrothmonk> What about mrk's idea.
45:13 <Avatar> emphasis on might
45:14 <Hydrazine> You put a pan on the stove. Let it get hot. Then hold it flat on your hand, and punch the inside quickly with the other hand.
45:18 <Hydrazine> See which one hurts more.
45:36 <Mekkis> why not hold a flask of burning oil and glass them with it?
45:48 <Brunius> Why not molotov them?
46:00 <Mekkis> because fire doesn't really do much damage
46:01 <Hydrazine> Why not Zoidberg?
46:09 <Hydrazine> But lava does.
46:14 <Wrothmonk> Why not molotov zoidburg?
46:14 <Hydrazine> If you can manage to get some lava.
46:16 <mrk> i love molotovs
46:58 <mrk> quick question guys. which dice setup are we using for character startup?
47:07 <Wrothmonk> None, point buy
47:20 <mrk> ok, cool:)
47:37 <mrk> and start at level 1 i presume?
47:46 <Wrothmonk> I wanted to falcon punch somebody… Guess wouldn't do much.
48:01 <Wrothmonk> beyond hurting me :P
48:03 <Avatar> mrk: do you have the pathfinder society guide to organised play
48:14 <Avatar> that has all the character creation rules you need to know, including about dice rolling
48:38 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
48:43 <niconorsk> Hmm, sorcerer/monk shocking grasp stunning fist
48:44 <Avatar> it's free, click on add to cart and check out
48:45 <Hydrazine> I think the best way to achieve the falcon punch is an unarmed magus.
48:50 <mrk> its not the core reference guide?
49:58 <Wrothmonk> Hrm… yeah
50:31 <Wrothmonk> All of my plans for giggles never work out well do they?
51:09 <Hydrazine> I saw a class in a d20 future book once that was exactly the space marine I was looking for.
51:11 <Hydrazine> Mind was blown.
51:41 <Wrothmonk> alright, stats of 10, 15, 12, 10, 10, 18 with mods, I got 1 point left to spend
51:48 <Wrothmonk> No clue what to spend it on.
52:12 <Hydrazine> drop something to 9 and have another 12.
52:49 <Wrothmonk> I don't see anything I could drop...
53:21 <Wrothmonk> base stats are 12, 15, 10, 10, 10, 16
53:38 <Wrothmonk> I don't want to drop con int or wis
54:12 <Hydrazine> This is for a what? Summoner?
54:17 <Wrothmonk> Yeah
54:21 <Wrothmonk> wait, leme check the skills
54:27 <Avatar> don't take 10 con
54:42 <Avatar> 12 is the bare minimum you want
54:46 <Avatar> ideally 14
54:53 <Wrothmonk> I get a +2 for being a gnome.
54:56 <Hydrazine> Isn't low con the quickest way to dead?
55:01 <Avatar> sure is
55:19 <Wrothmonk> I'll boost it up to 11 then.
55:30 <Wrothmonk> 13 total with racial...
55:41 <Avatar> you can keep it at 12
55:49 <Avatar> if it's 13 you can boost it at 4th or 8th level though
55:59 <Wrothmonk> Yeah kinda want that.
56:20 <Hydrazine> I'm a bit sad that magi are so one-trick. I mean it looks cool, sounds cool.. And then you realize there just isn't rreally anything else.
56:41 <Wrothmonk> Yup thats why i can't get around to making one.
57:06 <Wrothmonk> alright, end stats are 10, 15, 13, 10, 10, 18
58:46 <Avatar> solid
59:12 <mrk> 18 charis?
59:25 <Wrothmonk> summoner, spells are CHA based
59:35 <Wrothmonk> not cha cha based like bards.
59:41 <mrk> ah of course. lol im really rusty;)
59:43 <Wrothmonk> ohgodthatsoundedbetterinmyhead.
00:14 * mrk laughs sympathetically
01:25 <Ulzef> the classes i have sorta gone meh to are magus, inq, ranger, witch, gunslinger, sam, ninja. 
01:36 <Ulzef> well there the classes i havn't played at all
01:40 <Wrothmonk> ranger is always meh
01:55 <Wrothmonk> its the meh class of all dnd
01:59 <Ulzef> pre agile they made the best two wep fighters
02:01 <Hydrazine> I think ranger's one of the best intro classes. Its like the variety pack.
02:11 <Wrothmonk> Thats why I play them a lot :P
02:22 <Hydrazine> And the obvious builds are really linear and hard to screw up too bad.
02:24 <Wrothmonk> Very true hydra.
02:30 <mrk> im tempted by a dwarf monk with a level ofrogue
02:40 <Wrothmonk> I managed to screw up my first pas ranger.
02:43 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
02:57 <Hydrazine> I mean, you get melee options, ranged options, some spellcasting, a companion..
03:02 <Hydrazine> A little taste of everything.
03:16 <Wrothmonk> Yup
03:22 <Wrothmonk> except for the really obscure stuff like guns
03:32 <Osborn> hey guys
03:47 <Wrothmonk> Yeah?
03:54 <Osborn> i dont start off with any skill points right?
04:02 <Wrothmonk> …
04:17 <Wrothmonk> I really need to keep remembering your really new.
04:43 <Osborn> hahaha
04:56 <Osborn> sooo do i?
05:07 <Wrothmonk> So answer is no, you start out with your norm ranks which is 2+int for wizard
05:50 <Osborn> i see
05:51 <Osborn> thank you
05:59 <Hydrazine> You start off with 2+int skill points. Remember that you can't spend >your level in a skill.
06:27 <Hydrazine> Skill ranks cannot be higher than total level. And theres a +3 bonus for class skills
06:42 <Hydrazine> And with that, me and Tash are going for a walk. Later kids.
09:02 <mrk> cya hydra
09:14 <Osborn> hey as a wizard do i get a free quarterstaff
09:17 <Osborn> because the cost is blanked out haha
12:41 <Wrothmonk> Cost is blanked out means its always free
12:45 <Wrothmonk> you start with 100 gold btw
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13:44 <mrk> and at level 1?
14:01 <Ulzef> 150 wroth
14:08 <Wrothmonk> no, 100
14:13 <Ulzef> if its pfs its 150
14:13 <Wrothmonk> or has that changed?
14:30 <Osborn> sweet
14:44 <Osborn> does that mean i can get one of each free weapon
14:47 <Osborn> or can i only take one
14:47 <Osborn> haha
15:04 <Wrothmonk> You can take as many as you want. Effectively the quarterstaff is a branch
15:18 <Wrothmonk> all costs blanked out = free
15:19 <Ulzef> you can take 50 quarter staffs if you want i dont recommend it though
15:25 <Wrothmonk> Heavy
15:34 <Osborn> haha
15:35 <Osborn> i mean like
15:36 <Osborn> can i take
15:41 <Osborn> one quarterstaff, one club, etc?
15:45 <Wrothmonk> Yup
15:45 <Ulzef> yep
15:51 <Wrothmonk> 50 of every free items
16:06 <Wrothmonk> you'd be pretty slow, but /very/ hard to disarm
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16:13 <Wrothmonk> unless somebody happens to set you on fire...
16:31 <mrk> prepacked kindling
16:36 <Osborn> sweet haha
16:37 <Wrothmonk> Yup
17:01 <Wrothmonk> alright, putting my two measly ranks in kn local and perception for my summoner.
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17:13 <Osborn> it says here
17:14 <Osborn> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
17:19 <Osborn> that i only start with 70 gold on average?
17:20 <Osborn> haha
17:24 <Osborn> as a wizard
17:44 <Wrothmonk> its 150 for everyone. I probably should add 50 gold to each of my chars then.
18:26 <Osborn> hahaha okay
18:37 <Osborn> i can only buy weapons and armor at the start
18:40 <Osborn> no magic rings or the like? D:
18:46 <Wrothmonk> Wait no, I did get 150 gold for wallace. I remember having a chain vest and a weapon.
18:56 <Wrothmonk> No magic items unless you have em on a chronicle sheet
19:16 <Osborn> dang alright
19:26 <Osborn> i cant use any of these weapons though!!! or armor :(
19:36 <Wrothmonk> morrningstar
19:43 <Wrothmonk> wizards can use morningstars I think
19:53 <Wrothmonk> if its the same as sorcerers
20:04 <Avatar> yeah, all simple weapons
20:05 <Wrothmonk> I just realised...
20:14 <Wrothmonk> I got 6 on stealth with ought ranks
21:03 <Wrothmonk> stiletto should have done a gnome rouge
21:09 <Wrothmonk> rogue* 
21:30 <Wrothmonk> he'd be invisible :P
21:38 <Osborn> oh really
21:39 <Osborn> damnn
21:40 <Osborn> thanks
21:41 <Ulzef> halflings get dex so they are better than gnome
22:09 <Ulzef> you can also have them with 30ft move so they can get flanks easy still
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22:16 <Wrothmonk> hem nice..
22:16 <Osborn> are crossbows any good? i remember someone earlier bagging them out!
22:30 <mrk> think reload issues
22:33 <Wrothmonk> crossbows are terrible if your casting spells.
22:37 <Wrothmonk> reloading is pain
22:44 <Wrothmonk> I don't think they are simple eitther.
22:46 <Osborn> ah ok...
22:48 <Wrothmonk> not certain
22:53 <Osborn> im reading off this table haha
23:08 <Osborn> hey so i can buy a morningstar...but i cant use armor or shields right?
23:15 <Osborn> so do i just hold onto the cash or can i buy a horse or something
23:16 <Osborn> haha
23:25 <Wrothmonk> you could get light armor proficiency and a haramaki
23:41 <Wrothmonk> no spell failure chance and I think +2 armor
23:44 <Wrothmonk> or is it +1?
23:49 <Osborn> oh?
23:52 <Osborn> how do i get the proficiency?
23:56 <Wrothmonk> feat
24:45 <Osborn> ah okay
25:16 <Osborn> how many feats do i get at level 1?
25:26 <Wrothmonk> one, unless your human or half elf
25:29 <Wrothmonk> then two
25:35 <Osborn> ah sweet
25:39 <Osborn> and i get an extra one every level?
25:44 <Wrothmonk> no
25:51 <Wrothmonk> its let me see here...
26:18 <Osborn> i kind of want that spell mastery feat though haha
26:42 <Osborn> oh wait
26:45 <Osborn> do i get that automatically?
26:47 <Osborn> let me read up on it
26:51 <Wrothmonk> its the normal character advancement after that except for the wizard feats which come in at level 4 I think. So one feat every other level
26:57 <Avatar> you don't 
27:04 <Osborn> ah okay
27:05 <Osborn> and oh
27:07 <Avatar> you can get it as a 5th/10th/15th/20th level feat
27:13 <Avatar> but honestly, you'll likely never use it
27:15 <Wrothmonk> thats the wizard feats
27:30 <Osborn> oh okay
27:31 <Wrothmonk> so next feat is at 3rd
27:40 <Avatar> half elves don't get two feats at level 1
27:46 <Wrothmonk> They dont?
27:51 <Avatar> no, only humans
28:05 <Avatar> I think you're getting confused with the +2 bonus to any one ability score
28:08 <Avatar> that they both get
28:12 <Wrothmonk> Yeah thats it
28:41 <Osborn> oh im a human
28:42 <Osborn> so i get 2 feats
28:47 <Wrothmonk> yes
28:51 <Wrothmonk> two feats level one
28:54 <Wrothmonk> the normal and a bonus
28:57 <Avatar> humans rule !
29:06 <Wrothmonk> Gnomes get punted!
29:08 <Osborn> yaay! :D
29:14 <Ulzef> i think you are better of just mage armoring but thats just me
29:21 <Wrothmonk> except I like the multi stat bonuses...
29:30 <Osborn> just getting light armor proficiency?
29:31 <Osborn> haha
30:05 <Avatar> mage armor is the common choice of armor for wizards and sorcerers
30:16 <Wrothmonk> Yup
30:18 <Wrothmonk> or force shield
30:26 <Wrothmonk> I think thats what its called..
30:31 <Wrothmonk> blocs magic missiles :D
30:33 <Avatar> shield is only rounds/level
30:34 <Wrothmonk> blocks*
30:36 <Ulzef> can have both
30:39 <Avatar> mage armor is hours/level
30:47 <Wrothmonk> yeah thats the downside
30:53 <Wrothmonk> do they stack though?
30:54 <Osborn> what
30:57 <Avatar> they do stack
30:57 <Osborn> so is mage armor the name of a feat?
31:02 <Avatar> mage armor is a spell
31:02 <Wrothmonk> no
31:05 <Wrothmonk> spell
31:06 <Avatar> 1st level spell
31:06 <Ulzef> its a spell
31:07 <Osborn> oh
31:10 <Ulzef> lvl 1 spell
31:19 <Osborn> hmmm
31:25 <Wrothmonk> my god we are predators for questions...
31:27 <Osborn> i think mi just going to pick up two metamagic feats
31:28 <Osborn> haha
31:39 <Osborn> its good! new people need the help
31:41 <Avatar> you can get a haramaki without light armor proficiency
31:48 <Wrothmonk> You can?
31:49 <Wrothmonk> cool
32:02 <Wrothmonk> haramakis rock then!
32:08 <Wrothmonk> eel… more like paper....
32:13 <Wrothmonk> well*
32:26 <Avatar> if you don't have the armor proficiency, you take the armor check penalty to attack rolls I think?
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32:33 <Avatar> but the haramaki doesn't have an armor check penalty
33:33 <Avatar> it does mean when you cast mage armor it only gives you +3 more to your AC instead of +4, but that's still good
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34:43 <Avatar> yeah the haramaki is a pretty sweet piece of equipment
34:55 <Wrothmonk> I'm assuming my eidolon should go under companion right?
35:06 <Avatar> yeah
37:15 <Osborn> the haramaki isnt showing up on the equipment site you linked me
37:16 <Osborn> haha
37:22 <Osborn> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
37:32 <Wrothmonk> its in ultimate combat so no.
37:38 <Wrothmonk> it doesnt
38:07 <Avatar> hang on
38:41 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor
38:49 <Avatar> er, oops
39:01 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/eastern-armor-and-shields
39:19 <Osborn> haha
39:22 <Osborn> expansions
39:31 <Osborn> as if this game wasnt complicated enough @_@
39:44 <Avatar> you can stick to not wearing armor or using other light armor
40:30 <Osborn> the haramaki looks great though!!!
40:30 <Osborn> btw
40:38 <Osborn> when it says size, is that weight?
40:43 <Wrothmonk> no
40:50 <Wrothmonk> size as in you character size
40:53 <Wrothmonk> so medium for human
40:57 <Wrothmonk> same goes for weapons
41:04 <Osborn> ah kk that makes sense
41:16 <Wrothmonk> theres penalties for not using the proper sized stuff
41:36 <Brunius> Although it can be worth it, sometimes
41:51 <Avatar> it's worth it if you're crazy
42:40 <Brunius> If you've got attack bonus out the ass, it could be worth it for the damage bonus
42:40 <Osborn> hahaha
42:44 <Brunius> (See: Small characters)
43:11 <Avatar> it's a -4 penalty isn't it
43:26 <Wrothmonk> gnome carrying around a medium longsword...
43:35 <Avatar> assuming you're proficient
43:38 <Avatar> assuming no cover
43:44 <Wrothmonk> orc using a small knife as a toothpick...
43:46 <Avatar> what else could go wrong
43:56 <Wrothmonk> I love that sort of thing.
44:18 <Avatar> it might be half-decent if you find a good weapon along the way
44:28 <Avatar> and it's oversized, and you're proficient, and there's no cover
44:51 <Avatar> then a -4 penalty to everything maybe might be worth it
45:41 <Wrothmonk> so my eidolon has a HD of 1d10, whats his hp?
46:43 <Avatar> 10+con
47:48 <Wrothmonk> KK
49:42 <Avatar> 6+con for each level after 1st
50:44 <Wrothmonk> what would be the combat maneuvers?
51:03 <Wrothmonk> wait duh..
51:07 <Wrothmonk> normal stats
55:11 <Wrothmonk> ok it says under skills that the eidolon gts 6+ its int, but the table says its 4 skill ranks, which is it?
55:45 <Wrothmonk> oh wait nvm
00:10 <Wrothmonk> Can I ride my eidolon?
00:19 <Wrothmonk> being a small gnome and all?
00:21 <Avatar> yeah
00:25 <Wrothmonk> Awsome!!!!
00:28 <Avatar> if it's a quadruped and has the
00:36 <Avatar> mount evolution
00:39 <Wrothmonk> oh
00:48 <Avatar> or serpentine
00:54 <Wrothmonk> well its a quadruped
04:25 <Wrothmonk> so say I had the mount and flight evolution, I could fly around on my edilon?
04:46 <Wrothmonk> I'd have to be level five though...
07:21 <Avatar> yeah
09:19 <Osborn> hey
09:23 <Wrothmonk> Hi
09:27 <Osborn> in the character sheet
09:27 <Wrothmonk> Question?
09:30 <Osborn> yeah haha
09:32 <Osborn> when i click check
09:37 <Osborn> it says i have six ranks available for assignemtn
09:39 <Osborn> are those skill ranks?
09:55 <Wrothmonk> that checks how many ranks you have against how many ranks you put down on the # of ranks you can do
10:01 <Wrothmonk> skill ranks yes
10:07 <Osborn> ah okay
10:09 <Osborn> so i get to pick
10:13 <Osborn> how does the class skill ranks work
10:18 <Osborn> do i just get +3 automatically
10:21 <Osborn> even if i dont put ranks in?
10:25 <Wrothmonk> when you put a rank in it
10:27 <Wrothmonk> only
11:10 <Osborn> ah okay
11:11 <Osborn> good to know
11:12 <Osborn> thanks
11:12 <Osborn> haha
11:38 <Avatar> a good trick
11:42 <mrk> is first level hp at max die roll?
11:47 <Wrothmonk> yes
11:50 <Avatar> put a rank in a skill that you already have super high
11:52 <Wrothmonk> its defined on the pas guide
11:59 <Avatar> so if you have say, an 18 cha
12:01 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
12:05 <Avatar> and diplomacy is a class skill
12:06 <mrk> thanks
12:09 <Avatar> put a rank in that
12:21 <Avatar> then you will have like 9 to diplomacy at level 1
16:33 <Wrothmonk> ok what does primary and secondary attacks mean of edolons?
17:39 <niconorsk> Similar to main and offhand
17:52 <niconorsk> secondary attacks at BAB-5
18:33 <Osborn> haha
18:37 <Avatar> just think -5 penalty to secondary attacks
18:42 <Avatar> nothing else really applies
18:55 <Wrothmonk> I see so normal natural attack rules?
20:09 <niconorsk> I assume, so also 1/2 strength bonus for secondary attacks
20:25 <niconorsk> damage rolls that is
20:34 <Avatar> not sure about that
20:35 <Wrothmonk> so I have the bite evolution by default, I can take two claw evolutions for both my default limb evolutions, so I could do 5 attacks total
20:40 <Wrothmonk> with a full round
21:45 <Wrothmonk> correct?
22:22 <Wrothmonk> bite and four claw attacks for all four limbs?
22:41 <niconorsk> I think so. Not an expert on summoners
22:49 <Wrothmonk> that is cool...
23:21 <Avatar> what are you taking
23:27 <Avatar> with your 3 evolution points
23:30 <Wrothmonk> I'm still deciding.
23:44 <Wrothmonk> probably two claw evolutions...
23:55 <Avatar> yeah that would be 5 attacks
24:02 * Wrothmonk fist pump
24:44 <niconorsk> Take that and pounce and your eidolon will do lots of damage at 1st level. Probably squishy as all hell though
25:38 <Wrothmonk> 14 ac atm
25:47 <Wrothmonk> I don't see how I would increase his armor though
26:08 <Avatar> oh wait
26:12 <Avatar> claws can only apply to limbs (legs) once
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26:21 <Avatar> so that's 3 attacks
26:28 <Wrothmonk> Claws (Ex): An eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the end of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks. These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution. This evolution can only be applied to the limbs (legs) evolution once This evolution can be selected more than once, but the eidolon must possess an equal number of the limbs 
26:29 <Wrothmonk> evolution.
26:46 <Wrothmonk> selected more than once
26:56 <Wrothmonk> can only be applied to a single limb evolution
26:57 <Avatar> yeah, to limbs (arms)
27:08 <Wrothmonk> oh
27:28 <Wrothmonk> so is there any way to increase the AC of my edolon?
27:42 <Wrothmonk> improved natural armor can only be at level 5
27:48 <niconorsk> Take mage armor and shield as your 1st spells
27:55 <Wrothmonk> oh right...
28:01 <Wrothmonk> good idea.
28:26 <Wrothmonk> wait
28:29 <Mekkis> I'd recommend against shield
28:32 <Wrothmonk> claws and pincers?
28:37 <Avatar> it can be taken at level 1, but not again until level 6
28:41 <Wrothmonk> wait no needs arms
28:51 <Wrothmonk> This evolution can be taken once for every five levels the summoner possesses.
28:53 <Mekkis> it can be taken at 5ish 
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29:04 <Avatar> once within the first 5 levels
29:04 <Wrothmonk> quote from improved natural armor
29:06 <Mekkis> 1, 5, 10, 15, 20
29:09 <Avatar> again within the second five levels
29:17 <Wrothmonk> every five levels
29:33 <Wrothmonk> that means 5 10 15 20
29:36 <Wrothmonk> right?
29:53 <Mekkis> I believe there was a rules clarification 
30:15 <Avatar> other evolutions that have a level requirement like that read like this: The summoner must be at least 5th level before selecting 
30:16 <Avatar> this evolution.
30:28 <niconorsk> What's wrong with shield, Mekkis?
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30:49 <Avatar> mage armor is almost always better
30:57 <Avatar> hours/level instead of rounds/level
31:10 <niconorsk> They stack. Use both
31:10 <Wrothmonk> alright first evolution is definitely claws
31:11 <Avatar> and shield burns your spell slots pretty drastically
31:19 <Mekkis> niconorsk: it doesn't last very long, it wastes actions in combat, and it burns spell slots
31:43 <Wrothmonk> improved nature armor for second
31:47 <Avatar> it's good if you plan on being the party's tank
31:59 <Osborn> anyone want to recommend me some spells?
32:07 <Avatar> what's on your shortlist
32:12 <Osborn> im specialising in abjuration and discarded divination and
32:28 <Osborn> necromancy
32:35 <Avatar> what's on your shortlist for spell choices
32:38 <Osborn> i dont have one ;_;
32:42 <Avatar> make one
32:48 <Mekkis> if you instead use your spell slot to cast Enlarge Person on the fighter, or colour spray on the enemies, or whatever, it'll prevent you taking more damage because the enemies will be dead
32:54 <Osborn> how many spells can i have
32:55 <niconorsk> It lasts for the encounter, one action to keep you from getting hit doesn't seem like much a waste and get a wand. :P
33:10 <Avatar> you're a wizard?
33:11 <Mekkis> Osborne: 3 + int mod
33:13 <Avatar> what's your int
33:48 <Wrothmonk> Should I take pounce or improved damage as my last evolution?
34:01 <Mekkis> niconorsk: it doesn't keep you from getting hit...
34:22 <Osborn> oh thanks
34:26 <Osborn> yes im a wizard :D
34:31 <Osborn> 18 int atm
34:32 <Mekkis> at best it makes you 20 percent less likely
34:37 <niconorsk> I know its not guaranteed, but nor does color spray always work
34:40 <Wrothmonk> I'll take pounce...
34:49 <Mekkis> Osborne: I'd suggest 17 or 19 int
35:17 <Mekkis> (you get a free +1 at level 4)
35:34 <Osborn> oh
35:39 <Osborn> okay
35:49 <niconorsk> Not saying color spray is a bad spell, its awesome, but shield has its moments. Great for ghosts for example
35:51 <Mekkis> (which is when you really benefit from having a high int)
36:33 <Osborn> haha
36:34 <Osborn> okay
36:41 <Mekkis> niconorsk: it's good in the obscure moment when you're up against a lot of people casting magic missile...
36:53 <Mekkis> otherwise, it's a waste of time
37:35 <Wrothmonk> I have a feat and 3 more skill ranks for my edolon, any suggestions? I'm thinking power attack possibly for the feat.
37:46 <Osborn> poured another 3 points into con :D
37:46 <Mekkis> (I suppose it'd be good if you've pissed off the rest of the party by wasting actions such that they refuse to heal you)
38:05 <Wrothmonk> the first rank is in perception already
38:10 <Mekkis> Power Attack is never bas
38:14 <Mekkis> bad*
38:28 <Osborn> what does SAVE DC	mean on my spells box?
38:49 <Wrothmonk> the dc the enemy needs to make on a will save to negate a spell
38:54 <Mekkis> the number the enemy needs to roll to be unaffected
39:05 <Wrothmonk> for wizard its 10+spell level+cha
39:07 <Wrothmonk> I think
39:10 <Mekkis> or less affected
39:15 <Brunius>  +int, not cha
39:15 <Mekkis> int
39:18 <Brunius> cha is sorcs
39:22 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok
39:23 <Brunius> it's +spellcasting stat
39:35 <Ulzef> i have been having arguments with my IRL group about power attack 
39:42 <Wrothmonk> how so?
39:52 <Ulzef> they dont prioratize it and i am like its soooooo good
39:59 <Osborn> oh okay
39:59 <Osborn> thanks
40:00 <Wrothmonk> Ah
40:18 <Osborn> +int mod yeah? not just plain int? haha
40:27 <Wrothmonk> oh I just realized what the melee attack would be with power attack...
40:27 <Mekkis> a melee character needs one feat to be effective: Power Attack
40:32 <Wrothmonk> +2
40:46 <Wrothmonk> +3 withought...
41:52 <Wrothmonk> hrm….
41:59 <S711> Programmers.
42:00 <Wrothmonk> I really don't know about that...
42:05 <niconorsk> mekkis:  I guess we'll have to disagree then, but my wand of shield has saved my life often enough that I'm not going to stop using it
42:08 <Wrothmonk> ?
42:52 <Mekkis> niconorsk: sure, just don't expect me to prioritise healing a character who does that
44:28 <Mekkis> Wroth: ranks in Fly, Intimidate, and... knowledge: arcana?
44:42 <Wrothmonk> I see the fly, and intimidate.
44:46 <Osborn> how often can i use my exceptional/supernatural abilities?
44:49 <Wrothmonk> why arcana?
44:52 <Mekkis> if you're going for dragonlike
46:03 <Mekkis> may as well know stuff about dragons...
46:16 <Wrothmonk> well this is for my edolon
46:21 <Wrothmonk> not my char
46:37 <Mekkis> the eidolon's dragonlike right?
46:51 <Wrothmonk> Thats the plan
46:59 <Osborn> im off for the night
46:59 <Osborn> bye all
47:05 <Osborn> going to read the manual tomorrow
47:05 <Wrothmonk> although not looking much like one right now.
47:07 <Mekkis> and you'd expect a dragon to know about dragons
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47:10 <Wrothmonk> missing tail and wings
47:14 <Wrothmonk> ok good point.
47:42 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk: can always say it's got vestigial wings
47:53 <Wrothmonk> Ah, thanks
48:06 <Wrothmonk> small tail that provide no benefit as well
48:19 <Wrothmonk> provides*
48:22 <Mekkis> also: write a general description of it on your sheet
48:36 <Wrothmonk> I am 
52:47 <niconorsk> Before I let this go, I'll describe the quite regular situation when I use my wand of shield. Party's just stepped in to a room, there's a surprise round, I'm a diviner but failed the perception check to spot the enemy. I have one standard or move action.  What do I do instead?
53:05 <Wrothmonk> shield?
53:28 <niconorsk> That's what I normally do, but I'm looking for better options
55:01 <Wrothmonk> What dimension would a medium dragon have on average? length and height wise? 
56:29 <Wrothmonk> I would guess around 5 ft length and 3-4 ft height standing on all four legs?
56:50 <Avatar> if you fail the perception check for a surprise round, you don't participate in the surprise round
57:19 <niconorsk> I'm a diviner wizard, I always participate in the surprise round if there is one.
57:24 <Ulzef> mek who was the guy with long hair that came to unicon (i think) last year that used to game with you guys was playing a deaf heal bot oracle
57:26 <Avatar> oh
57:59 <Avatar> don't worry about mekkis' I won't heal you threat, nobody else i know has that kind of mentality
59:23 <niconorsk> :p I'm not worried about that. I try to avoid being the one hit, and I assume he's not taking it as far as not poking me with my own CLW wand
59:52 <Wrothmonk> I whack people with my CLW wand
59:59 <Wrothmonk> if they don't have one of their own.
00:16 <Wrothmonk> Not enough to do damage, but still, its a good whack.
00:24 <Ulzef> mortok got one when he lvled and also cc oracle so he can cast sure light
00:38 <Mekkis> niconorsk: what level is that character?
00:54 <niconorsk> 3
01:07 <niconorsk> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=556
01:10 <Mekkis> wizard?
01:42 <niconorsk> yeah, divination subschool thus the surprise round action
02:29 <Wrothmonk> alright, now for my own feat. I think this is the last bit.
02:39 <Wrothmonk> oh wait, have spells to do...
03:13 <Wrothmonk> four 0 level spells and 2 1st level right?
03:26 <Mekkis> niconorsk, ah, so you're not at the point where the enemy will miss you on a 1, and with shield, they'll miss you on... a 1
04:06 <Avatar> he's not talking about the amount of charges on your wand, niconorsk
04:14 <Avatar> he's talking about not sacrificing his action economy for you
06:27 <niconorsk> avatar: I know. :) Mekkis: I agree that for higher levels, shield loses all its value, but that can be said for a lot of spells
06:51 <Wrothmonk> ohoho
07:03 <Wrothmonk> I'm getting guidance.
07:06 <Mekkis> I'm arguing that it never really had much value to begin with
07:14 <Wrothmonk> range of touch I can cast on my edolon.
07:22 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, see what I mean by "they put all the good spells on the summoner list"
07:30 <Wrothmonk> heh.
07:38 <Mekkis> you get Haste as a 2nd level spell!
07:45 <Wrothmonk> seriusly?
07:49 <Mekkis> yeah
07:49 <Wrothmonk> awsome!
08:00 <Avatar> yeah haste is a huge plus for the summoner
08:04 <Mekkis> and Summon Monster IV as a third level spell
08:07 <Avatar> overpoweringly so
09:51 <Wrothmonk> which is better, read magic or mage hand?
10:00 <Avatar> mage hand
10:14 <Avatar> note that it doesn't work on magic items
10:15 <Mekkis> ummm... are you sure there's nothing else you're prefer
10:21 <Mekkis> or attended items
10:25 <Wrothmonk> wait...
10:30 <Mekkis> Message!
10:33 <Avatar> mage hand is a great spell
10:36 <Wrothmonk> !spell resistance
10:42 <Mekkis> it's crap
10:46 <diebot> Wrothmonk, RESISTANCE abjuration ([]) bard 0, cleric 0, druid 0, paladin 1, sorcerer/wizard 0, summoner 0, witch 0, inquisitor 0 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, M/DF (a miniature cloak) Duration: 1 minute Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)
10:47 <diebot> You imbue the subject with magical energy that protects it from harm, granting it a +1 resistance bonus on saves. Resistance can be made permanent with a permanency spell.
10:51 <Mekkis> it's worse than Shield at wasting actions!
11:01 <Avatar> it's got utility
11:07 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
11:10 <Avatar> of course it's worse than shield, it's a cantrip, not a 1st level spell
11:16 <Wrothmonk> ^this
11:25 <Wrothmonk> well for paladins its first level
11:43 <Avatar> I wouldn't take it on a paladin
11:48 <Avatar> you have much better choices of spells
12:14 <Wrothmonk> Do you mind me using the bot a little bit to find spells with common names?
12:31 <Avatar> just don't destroy us with spam
12:52 <Wrothmonk> I'll try not to
12:57 <Wrothmonk> I'd hate it myself :P
13:23 <Wrothmonk> hrm....
13:38 <Wrothmonk> this is a tough one, the spells that are left seem pretty useless.
13:55 <Wrothmonk> so far I got acid splash, detect magic, and guidance.
14:43 <Wrothmonk> left on the list are: arcane mark, daze, light, mage hand, mending, message, open/close, read magic, and resistance.
14:58 <Mekkis> Message!
15:04 <Wrothmonk> No.
15:26 <Mekkis> why not?
15:30 <Wrothmonk> We'll…. I suppose it could help if somebody jumped out and attacked me.
15:43 <Wrothmonk> and I was away from the rest of the party.
15:50 <Wrothmonk> doubtful but possible.
15:58 <Mekkis> or if you're infiltrating a tavern and want to be able to coordinate things in a social situation
16:07 <Wrothmonk> been there done that.
16:28 <Mekkis> without yelling things and blowing your cover
17:41 <Wrothmonk> detect magic is about the same amount of good… scrolls!
18:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, how many times was Detect Magic cast last session?
18:13 <Wrothmonk> 10 times
18:15 <Wrothmonk> about
18:33 <Mekkis> that's a pretty useful spell then, right?
18:35 <Wrothmonk> I think it was cast about the same amount of time I used my CLW wand (9 times)
18:39 <Wrothmonk> have it
19:09 <Wrothmonk> light would probably be good. I can only use dancing lights once a day as a gnome...
19:28 <Mekkis> yeah, you can take message when you hit level 2
19:46 <Wrothmonk> light has a range of touch… can I make my edolon glow?
19:49 <Wrothmonk> :D
21:00 <diebot> You know, I do respond to commands in PMs...
21:17 <Avatar> detect magic is pretty much essential
21:34 <Wrothmonk> Ah. No spam for you guys
21:40 <Mekkis> it's rather frustrating to run a session with noone who can cast Detect Magic
21:47 <Wrothmonk> yes
21:50 <Wrothmonk> I did that once
22:03 <Mekkis> I've done it several times
22:57 <Wrothmonk> how do I register my nick again?
23:11 <Wrothmonk> need to be able to send diebot pms...
23:14 <Mekkis> /msg nickop REGISTER <password> <email>
23:21 <Mekkis> or you can just yell:
23:23 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
23:24 <Avatar> it's /nickserv register (password) (email)
23:29 <Mekkis> in a channel where diebot is in
23:38 <Wrothmonk> identify
23:39 <Mekkis> (try PMing her now)
23:45 <Avatar> use your real email address because someday you'll need to reset it and that's the only way
23:47 <Mekkis> needs to be capital
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23:56 <Avatar> hey mort
24:01 <Mekkis> but what it does is it tells diebot to -R
24:02 <Wrothmonk> really?
24:12 <Mekkis> and accept unsolicited PMs
24:15 * Mort- wags tail
24:20 <Mekkis> hey Mort- !
24:30 * Mort- turns pink
24:41 <Mekkis> !reincarnate wonder
24:43 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 3:  Slow target for 10 rounds (Will DC 15 negates)
24:45 <Wrothmonk> I'm making a summoner!
26:46 * Mort- hangs up sign I'm a lemur
26:47 * Mort- hangs up sign will give hugs for cookies
27:03 <Wrothmonk> alright getting mage armor and rejuvenate eidolon (lesser) as my 1st level spells
27:43 <Mort-> Just wand it for lre.
27:44 <Mort-> Cleric can clw your eid
28:04 <Wrothmonk> hem good point.
28:06 <Wrothmonk> hrm*
28:14 * Mekkis hands Mort- a cookie
28:16 <Mort-> If you find a cleric.
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28:32 * Mort- hugs mekkis and eats cookie
28:44 <Mekkis> Ulzef, you should use xchat then :)
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28:57 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> yeah might look into that
29:02 <Avatar> what's going on ulzef
29:29 <Avatar> mirc doesn't cause ping timeouts
29:42 <Wrothmonk> where is table 10-1 btw?
29:49 <Brunius> Mekkis, I keep getting a crash with xchat
29:53 <Brunius> For no apparent reason
29:59 <Brunius> Of course, it's the four year old version...
30:03 <Mort-> Someone told me only 1 in 5 games have clerics
30:03 <Mort-> And they are the deliver sermon with hammer or the channel negative energy sort
30:04 <Mort-> Nice healbots seem to be endangered species
30:18 <Mort-> 10-1?
30:31 <Wrothmonk> for summon monster I
31:15 <Mekkis> Mort-, I'm playing a nice cleric who heals a lot
31:31 <Wrothmonk> hrm… enlarge person, reduce person, or rejuvenate eidolon...
31:36 <Mekkis> enlarge person
31:40 <Mekkis> it works on your eidolon
31:46 <Wrothmonk> hell yeah
32:07 <Mort-> Btw i do have a cleric
32:07 <Mort-> Somewhere out there
32:08 <Mort-> Oh just summon eagles
32:08 <Mort-> 3 attacks per round.
32:08 <Mort-> I could probably tell you what to summon for the first few summon monsters anyway
32:08 <Mort-> The problem is that summoned monsters don't hit very well
32:15 <Wrothmonk> ahem, humonoid?
32:20 <Mort-> That's where augment summoning comes in
32:23 <Wrothmonk> my eidolon is not humonoid
32:25 <Wrothmonk>  
32:25 <Mort-> Sure does
32:33 <Mort-> Share spells dude
32:49 <Wrothmonk> oh.
32:52 <Wrothmonk> derp
32:53 <Wrothmonk> forgot that.
33:05 <Mort-> You can cast on your eid as if he is a humanoid
33:27 <Wrothmonk> A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider).
33:42 <Wrothmonk> is outsider separate from humanoid?
34:01 <Mort-> But they must come from summoner spell list
34:03 <Mort-> Don't run around with form of the dragon and try cast it on your eid
34:03 <Mort-> Yes
34:03 <Mort-> Good when dealing with hideous laughter
34:06 <Mort-> Also charm monster is way above charm person level
34:12 <Mort-> So not so easy to dominate an eid
35:04 <Mort-> You need dominate eidolon
35:07 <Mort-> Sorry. Dominate monster
35:07 <Mort-> Or just yell fu dismissal. Clears eids nicely too
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35:34 <Mekkis> the only time someone's cast dismissal on my eidolon was when we later found that it wouldn't have worked
35:35 <Wrothmonk> alright, just need a feat now.
36:03 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, what's your plan for what your summoner's going to be doing while his eidolon kicks arse?
36:15 <Mort-> Yes i do have some summoner parts in me
36:29 <Wrothmonk> casting enlarger person, guidance, or acid splash?
36:29 <Mort-> Drink coffee
36:32 <Mort-> I always like that one!
36:33 <Mekkis> Mort-, I know. You had a horribly annoying synthesist.
36:59 <Wrothmonk> they are banned now you know.
37:00 <Mekkis> in that case, consider Extra Evolution, from Ultimate Magic (if you have it)
37:02 <Mekkis> I know
37:09 <Wrothmonk> I do
37:17 <Mekkis> I replaced my synthesist a few weeks ago
37:19 <Wrothmonk> I'll take a look
37:44 <Mort-> Guidance is a nice one
37:46 * Mort- ignores that
37:46 <Mort-> Why doesn't dismissal work on eids
37:46 <Mort-> Of course i know the standard summon eid scroll
38:10 <Mort-> Id say do summons!
38:12 <Mekkis> it didn't work THAT time because of something that's rather unique to the scenario
38:19 <Mekkis> but I don't want to spoil it for you
38:33 <Mort-> Ah ok. It should work theoratically
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39:11 <Wrothmonk> Nope
39:37 <Mort-> I won't be playing a summoner any time soon
39:38 <Mort-> Anyway
39:38 <Mort-> Hi hydra
39:42 <Mort-> I like enlarging people and taking a nap after
39:59 <Wrothmonk> wait no it can
40:04 <Wrothmonk> says specifically it can.
40:10 <Mort-> Can what?
40:15 <Wrothmonk> I thought it was the opposite.
40:23 <Mort-> What is it?
40:26 <Wrothmonk> be dispelled by dismissal
40:33 <Wrothmonk> eidolons
40:36 <Mort-> Of course it can
40:52 <Wrothmonk> its dispel magic that can't remove it.
41:01 <Mort-> That's when you summon earth elementals by the von
41:06 <Wrothmonk> oh mort
41:09 <Wrothmonk> if you punt me
41:15 <Hydrazine> Hi.
41:15 <Wrothmonk> I'll send my dragon after you
41:27 <Mort-> Ton
41:34 * Mort- hides
41:49 <Wrothmonk> Rumil the second is a gnome.
41:53 <Mort-> Oh i only punt gnomes!
42:06 Wrothmonk is now known as Rumil
42:09 * Mort- bounces at the sight of rumil
42:17 * Rumil sänds dragon eidolon after mort
42:18 <Hydrazine> Gnomes are best for punting.
42:20 <Rumil> sends*
42:28 * Mort- hides
42:31 * Grolschmir charges Mort- 
42:31 Brunius- is now known as Bairaq
42:36 <Grolschmir> @charge
42:37 <diebot> Grolschmir, attack: [1d20=5] 18; damage: [3d6=3,3,6] 51
42:42 <Mort-> Difficult terrain!
42:47 <Grolschmir> flight
42:58 <Mort-> I'm hiding under ground
43:01 <Mort-> Dude!
43:10 <Grolschmir> then you're not punting gnomes
43:15 <Mort-> Think of a little rock hole
43:18 Rumil is now known as Wrothmonk
43:19 <Mort-> I ran
43:21 <Wrothmonk> Good :P
43:24 <Mort-> He sent his fluffy after me :(
43:30 <Mekkis> my lance reaches into little rock holes ;)
43:34 <Mort-> The moment fluffy came out i ran
43:37 <Wrothmonk> I
43:42 Bairaq is now known as Brunius-
43:44 <Wrothmonk> 'm thinking of naming him spike
43:46 <Mort-> Can you charge something you can't see?
43:47 <Wrothmonk> not fluffy
43:50 <Mort-> That's fine
44:00 <Mort-> Fluffy is just generic term for dragon
44:06 <Wrothmonk> Ah
44:17 <Wrothmonk> I thought it was a generic term for monsters.
44:36 <Wrothmonk> alright… feat for level 1 summoner
44:41 <Wrothmonk> suggestions?
44:57 <Mort-> Spell focus conjuration
45:23 <Mort-> Btw so you know. Things that get bull rushed into a pit get no saves to avoid being tossed in
45:37 * Wrothmonk facepalm equipmet too
45:54 <Wrothmonk> sounds interesting, if acid splash gets a save
46:09 <Wrothmonk> which it doesnt.
46:41 <Wrothmonk> currently my only offensive spell is acid splash.
47:21 <Mort-> Its cool
50:54 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, what Itzamna does when his eidolon is kicking arse is continually discharges a Rod of Wonder
51:06 <Wrothmonk> really?
51:07 <Mekkis> but my suggestion is Extra Evolution
51:09 <Mekkis> yes
51:39 <Avatar> extra evolution is your friend
51:51 <Wrothmonk> oh misread, I thought you were talking about the archetype...
52:06 <Avatar> the feat
52:35 <Wrothmonk> nice.
52:40 <Avatar> there's actually a race which lets you use your favoured class bonus to get 1/4 of an evolution point per level
52:46 <Avatar> can't remember which
52:46 <Mort-> Half elf
52:52 <Avatar> there you go
52:58 <Mort-> Do wild caller for more fun shit
53:54 <Wrothmonk> yeah but four levels to get one extra point?
54:13 <Wrothmonk> Sorry but no thanks. I'd take the HP over that.
55:43 <Mort-> Your choice :p
55:46 <Wrothmonk> how does improved damage on my eidolon's bit sound?
55:48 <Mort-> Id take evo
55:50 <Wrothmonk> bite*
55:56 <Mort-> You want damage?
56:00 <Wrothmonk> Yup
56:03 <Mort-> Biped. Get big weapon
56:07 <Mort-> Manufactured weapon
56:08 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, I'd avoid it
56:17 <Wrothmonk> Why?
56:18 <Mort-> Probably a falchion
56:28 <Mekkis> because it only increases average damage by 1
56:34 <Mekkis> it's a pretty poor choice
56:35 <Wrothmonk> good point.
56:46 <Mekkis> I'd rather something like Ability Score Increase (str)
56:57 <Mekkis> although I'd rather improved nat armour for first level
57:01 <Mekkis> at second level, sure
57:16 <Wrothmonk> I'd have to remove pounce then
57:16 <Mekkis> what are the attacks at the moment anyway?
57:24 <Wrothmonk> bite and claws
57:32 <Mekkis> how does it get claws?
57:39 <Wrothmonk> claw evolution?
57:40 <Mekkis> I thought claws had to be on arms, not leg
57:49 <Wrothmonk> its pincers for arms
57:51 <Wrothmonk> claws for legs
58:00 <Mekkis> I'm sure that that's wrong
58:15 <Wrothmonk> Claws (Ex): An eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the end of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks. These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution. This evolution can only be applied to the limbs (legs) evolution once This evolution can be selected more than once, but the eidolon must possess an equal number of the limbs 
58:16 <Wrothmonk> evolution.
58:26 <Mekkis> ah
58:33 <Mekkis> so it can be applied to legs, but only once
58:35 <Mekkis> fair enough
58:37 <Mort-> You can put one set on legs
58:41 <Mort-> Mek
58:41 <Mort-> one set only
58:41 * Mort- glares at the mek and flattens her ears
58:50 <Mekkis> I knew that it could be attached to arms
59:07 <Wrothmonk> well all I need is one set. I'm at my full # of attacks then
59:09 <Mort-> See.
59:10 * Mort- growls at the mek
59:15 <Mekkis> what?
59:18 <Mekkis> I was correct
59:20 <Wrothmonk> so get rid of pounce to get extra str?
59:23 <Mort-> You're doing quad ped?
59:26 <Wrothmonk> yes
59:30 <Mort-> Don't :p
59:37 <Mekkis> hmmm
59:45 <Mekkis> I'd get rid of mount for extra str :S
59:48 <Mekkis> if you've taken mount
59:52 <Wrothmonk> I havent
59:57 <Wrothmonk> claws, armor, and pounce
00:09 <Mekkis> problem with first level summoners is that the eidolon has like, 6 HP
00:15 <Wrothmonk> 10
00:20 <Mort-> Ability point is 2 points
00:27 <Mekkis> eidolons don't get max HP at first level
00:43 <Wrothmonk> I was told otherwise, by avatar i believe
00:48 <Mort-> Not 1 i thought?
00:48 <Mort-> 3 evo points on start?
00:51 <Mort-> Toughness on eid
00:52 <Mort-> 4.5x hd + con mod
01:10 <Mort-> Neither do acs anyway
01:18 <mrk> quick question. there a preferred faction for new characters?
01:30 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/faq#v5748eaic9os4
01:35 <Mort-> Andoran :d
01:42 <Mekkis> mrk, anything but Grand Lodge
01:43 <Mort-> Everyone is an andoran
02:04 <mrk> thanks
02:08 <Wrothmonk> whats the average for d10?
02:09 <Mekkis> I'd suggest one of the First Five
02:11 <Mekkis> 5.5
02:37 <Wrothmonk> so 5 or 6?
02:51 <Mekkis> what's the con?
02:57 <Wrothmonk> 13
03:02 <Wrothmonk> 6 then?
03:02 <Mekkis> then 6 in total
04:04 <Mekkis> 5 + 1 con
04:18 <Wrothmonk> well at least I got 16 ac on him
04:32 <Wrothmonk> and mage armor to cast on him.
05:48 <Wrothmonk> ok just double checking
05:58 <Mort-> 20 ac yeah that's right
06:14 <Wrothmonk> with a full round my eidolon can do a 1d6+2 bite, and two 1d4+2 claw attacks?
06:18 <Wrothmonk> damage wise
06:29 <Wrothmonk> and with a single bite its 1d6+3
06:43 <Mort-> Correct
07:15 <Mekkis> yeah
07:25 <Mekkis> ummm
07:26 <Mekkis> no 
07:31 <Mekkis> single bite is still 1d6+2
07:44 <Wrothmonk> since he has access to two more attacks?
07:49 <Mekkis> Natural Weapons are weird
07:49 <Mekkis> yeah
07:54 <Wrothmonk> damn
07:56 <Wrothmonk> ah well
08:10 <Mekkis> if you want to do more damage, put bite on him again
08:23 <Wrothmonk> I can do that?
08:49 <Wrothmonk> it adds an extra 1/2 str
08:57 <Mekkis> Bite (Ex)
08:57 <Mekkis> An eidolon’s maw is full of razor-sharp teeth, giving it a bite attack. This attack is a primary attack. The bite deals 1d6 points of damage (1d8 if Large, 2d6 if Huge). If the eidolon already has a bite attack, this evolution allows it to deal 1-1/2 times its Strength modifier on damage rolls made with its bite. 
08:57 <Wrothmonk> correct?
08:59 <Mekkis> yeah
09:06 <Wrothmonk> Alright
09:12 <Mort-> If you wanted more damage i think id just pass him a falchion
09:12 <Mekkis> which means that with power attack, it increases more
09:20 <Mort-> 2 hand it for good measure
09:27 <Mekkis> Mort-, that's because you're an unrepentant powergamer
09:31 <Wrothmonk> you can two hand a bite?
09:34 <Wrothmonk> ...
09:38 <Mekkis> plus, he doesn't have arms
09:41 <Mort-> Bite at -5
09:44 <Mekkis> or proficiency
09:50 <Mort-> That's why i said biped
09:59 <Mekkis> that's not what he's going for
10:10 <Mort-> Mekkis is trying to get me burnt at stake for being a lemure
10:22 <Mekkis> no
10:24 <Mort-> But he asked for damage. I just gave him suggestions!
10:35 <Mekkis> for being an unrepentant powergamer
10:36 <Wrothmonk> two handing a bite?
10:38 * Mort- flutters eyelashes innocently
10:43 <Wrothmonk> thats...
10:44 <Mort-> Don't
10:51 <Mort-> Your bite is at -5
10:55 <Wrothmonk> what do you actually do?
11:01 <Mekkis> I don't know what you're talking about
11:05 <Mekkis> bite is a primary attack
11:07 <Mort-> Quadped is fine because later pounce is very nasty
11:09 <Mekkis> it's not at -5
11:19 <Mort-> If you mix manufactured and natural
11:23 <Wrothmonk> grab your jaw with both hands and push them together?
11:24 <Mekkis> so you don't do that
11:25 <Mekkis> easy
11:27 <Mort-> Your natural weapons take -5
11:43 <Wrothmonk> is that how you two hand a bite?
11:47 <Mort-> So 2 handing a falchion would put your bite at -5
12:03 <Mekkis> Mort-, some context: Wrothmonk wants his eidolon to resemble a dragon. Last we checked, dragons don't wield falchions...
12:08 <Mort-> Either you fight with manufactured weapons or fight with natural
12:20 <Mort-> Ok quadped.
12:26 <Wrothmonk> He could get arms later on
12:26 <Mort-> Then
12:33 <Wrothmonk> Some dragons have arms right?
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13:03 <Mort-> Dragons I'm sorry don't use manufactured weapons
13:07 <Mekkis> not really
13:12 <Wrothmonk> K
13:16 <Mort-> Yet to see one
13:34 <Wrothmonk> Spells per day for summoner?
13:44 <Wrothmonk> nvm found it
13:45 <Mekkis> but you don't really need it: one of the properties of a summoner is that the class is generally powerful enough, without going out of your way to make it really powerful
14:00 <Mort-> The last one flamed me some then went bite claw claw wing buffet x2 tail slap
14:17 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, what was your starting statline? 12 12 12 14 14 15?
14:35 <Wrothmonk> 12, 15, 11, 10, 10, 16
14:42 <Mekkis> before racials?!
14:45 <Wrothmonk> with mods 10, 15, 13, 10, 10, 18
14:56 <Wrothmonk> yes.
14:59 <Mort-> Can do
15:14 <Mort-> Dude I'm just an information box
15:16 <Mekkis> seems... reasonable. Itzamna did the whole "no stat below 12" thing, but w/e
15:30 <Mort-> If you want information thingies just whistle
15:36 <Mort-> I'm not evil. I think.
15:42 <Mort-> I haven't sacrificed anything yet
15:43 <Wrothmonk> I didn't want to dump wis or int.
15:56 <Wrothmonk> str I want a /chance/ in melee
15:58 <Mort-> I know quite a number of things
16:13 <Mort-> You know what's fun on summoner? :p
16:18 <Wrothmonk> what?
16:23 <Mort-> I know its unoptimal and stuff
16:26 <Mekkis> a rod of wonder!
16:34 <Mort-> But you can carry a lance ride your dragon
16:38 <Wrothmonk> ...
16:39 <Mort-> And charge!
16:46 <Mort-> You can.
16:46 <Wrothmonk> Dude.
16:50 <Wrothmonk> I already thought of that
16:52 <Wrothmonk> with wings
16:53 <Wrothmonk> no less.
17:01 <Wrothmonk> :P
17:08 <Mort-> It isn't optimal but hey if that floats your boat
17:19 <Mekkis> Rod of Wonder :)
17:22 <Wrothmonk> gnome riding a medium dragon flying down at you screaming with a lance, both rolling intimidates.
17:28 <Wrothmonk> you better run
17:29 <Wrothmonk> fast
17:30 <Mort-> I actually did come up with hammer throwing from the back of a quetzaquotal
17:33 <Wrothmonk> :D
17:49 <Wrothmonk> … mort, I can't tell if your a genius or a madman.
17:53 <Mort-> Suggest you take the feat to sub intimidate with bluff
17:56 <Wrothmonk> Probably a little of both.
17:57 <Mekkis> she's a madwoman
18:00 <Mort-> Both
18:06 <Wrothmonk> woman*
18:08 <Wrothmonk> pardon me.,
18:18 <Mort-> Genius and insanity come hand in hand
18:27 <Wrothmonk> Normally they do,
18:35 <Mekkis>  "Madness and genius are separated only by degrees of success." --Sidar Jabari
18:36 <Wrothmonk> or at the very least the desire to blow things up
18:43 <Wrothmonk> ^this
18:51 <Mort-> There is a gnome feat to substitute intimidate with bluff
18:55 <Mort-> Suggest you take it
19:10 <Wrothmonk> why? its the same stat
19:12 <Mort-> Because trying to intimidate something bigger then you you take -4
19:18 <Wrothmonk> oh.
19:19 <Mort-> Because of that
19:24 <Wrothmonk> Later on then.
19:25 <Mort-> But no one said anything about bluff
19:39 <Mort-> Again. There are more items for intimidate then bluff
19:43 <Mekkis> depends if you want to waste a feat that way
19:49 <Mort-> Like the mask of the god king
19:50 <Wrothmonk> Yeah
19:58 <Mekkis> !item mask of the god king
20:01 <Mort-> +5 intimidate
20:03 <diebot> Mekkis, MASK OF THE MANTIS [faint divination] CL:3 head 6000gp, 1lb
20:03 <diebot> A mask of the mantis is the traditional headgear of the Red Mantis assassin. Designed both to mask the wearer's identity while on a job and to enhance the wearer's ferocious appearance, a mask of the mantis has 3 daily charges that can be used to gain additional bonuses. The wearer can spend a charge to gain darkvision to a range of 60 feet, the
20:03 <diebot> effects of see invisibility, the effects of deathwatch, or a +5 competence bonus on Perception checks. Once a charge is spent, the effect granted persists for 30 minutes before fading. Multiple effects can be active simultaneously. Charges replenish automatically in 24 hours. Source: Inner Sea World Guide
20:13 <Wrothmonk> with
20:21 <Wrothmonk> mask of the god king and you get mantis?
20:23 <Mort-> I dunno if i remembered it right
20:26 <Wrothmonk> wth*
20:37 <Mort-> But steven knows the item
20:46 <Mort-> Abuses it on his quis
20:55 <Wrothmonk> ALRIGHT
20:59 <Wrothmonk> sorry caps
21:00 <Mekkis> I'm using the Levenshtein algorithm.
21:03 <Mort-> Me...have to do it more mundanely
21:06 <Wrothmonk> time for equipment
21:13 <Mort-> Cookies
21:23 <Mekkis> clothes
21:35 <Wrothmonk> let see here. Don't care about light armor arcane penalties...
21:36 <Mort-> Always carry cookies. You can use them to summon lemurs.
21:49 <Wrothmonk> How much damage do they do?
21:56 <Wrothmonk> 1d4 claw attacks I'm assuming?
22:05 <Mort-> Uh they give free advice
22:15 <Wrothmonk> No thanks.
22:19 <Mort-> I wish you could treat it like sensei advice
22:22 <Wrothmonk> I don't need advice on killin' stuff
22:32 <Mort-> +1 to all damage and attack rolls
22:33 <Wrothmonk> unless it gives me a +1 to attacks and damage
22:35 <Mort-> But oh well
22:59 <Mort-> Studded leather
23:05 <Mort-> Chain for after first mission
23:14 <Mekkis> spend your 150gp on chain shirt
23:23 <Mekkis> buy a quarterstaff for 0gp
23:24 <Wrothmonk> thats medium
23:30 <Mekkis> and get started!
23:33 <Mort-> Light
23:35 <Mekkis> no, it's ligjt
23:39 <Mort-> Sling
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23:40 <Mekkis> chainmail is medium
23:41 <Wrothmonk> oh chain shirt
23:45 <Wrothmonk> I was looking at chainmail.
23:48 <Mekkis> don't bother with a sling
23:54 <Mekkis> you have acid splash
23:56 <Wrothmonk> acid splash all the way!
24:06 <Mort-> True
24:12 <Wrothmonk> What about the armor check penalty?
24:15 <Mort-> Ok time to go. I have stuff waiting
24:17 <Mort-> Screw it
24:17 <Mekkis> and avoid crossbows like the plague
24:25 <Mort-> Get your eid to carry you
24:29 <Mekkis> endure it
24:32 <Mekkis> it's not that high
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24:50 <Wrothmonk> climb and swim would be at -2
24:54 <Mekkis> that was Mort, the unrepentant powergamer...
24:58 <Mekkis> that's fine
25:13 <Wrothmonk> Rumil almost drowned with ought a rope to hang onto at -2
25:21 <Wrothmonk> I think it was a -2\
25:31 <Mekkis> you'll replace it with Masterwork Chain shirt after your first mission, which drops ACP by 1
25:40 <Mekkis> if you want it lower, take the Armour Expert trait
25:42 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
25:44 <Mekkis> dropping it by another one
25:54 <Wrothmonk> That would be good.
26:11 <Mekkis> (and then you end up buying Elven Chain (or celestial armour) when you can afford it)
27:39 <Wrothmonk> elven chain?
27:44 <Mekkis> !item elven chain
27:45 <Wrothmonk> celestial?
27:47 <diebot> Mekkis, ELVEN CHAIN [no aura (nonmagical)] CL:0 armor 5150gp, 20lb
27:47 <diebot> This extremely light chainmail is made of very fine mithral links. This armor is treated, in all ways, like light armor, including when determining proficiency. The armor has an arcane spell failure chance of 20%, a maximum Dexterity bonus of +4, and an armor check penalty of -2. Source: PFRPG Core
27:53 <Mekkis> !item Celestial armor
27:55 <diebot> Mekkis, CELESTIAL ARMOR [faint transmutation [good]] CL:5 armor 22400gp, 20lb
27:55 <diebot> This +3 chainmail is so fine and light that it can be worn under normal clothing without betraying its presence. It has a maximum Dexterity bonus of +8, an armor check penalty of -2, and an arcane spell failure chance of 15%. It is considered light armor and allows the wearer to use fly on command (as the spell) once per day. Source: Ultimate
27:55 <diebot> Equipment
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28:27 <Wrothmonk> 22400 gp!?!?!?!
28:35 <Wrothmonk> well it lets you fly...
28:57 <Mekkis> they're both Worth It
29:35 <Wrothmonk> where are traits again?
29:57 <Mekkis> I believe Armor Expert is in the Pathfinder Traits Web Enhancement
30:01 <Mekkis> (and in the APG)
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32:27 <Mekkis> paizo.com/traits
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37:09 <Wrothmonk> hem… what should I take as a second trait.
37:47 <Mekkis> Aspiring Bard
38:11 <Wrothmonk> What does that do>
38:17 <Mekkis> I don't remember
38:21 <Mekkis> but the name sounds good :)
38:35 <Mekkis> Often the first things noticed about gnomes beyond their
38:35 <Mekkis> size and physical coloration is their clothing. Unless
38:35 <Mekkis> specifically attempting to camouflage themselves, most
38:35 <Mekkis> gnomes prefer clothing that is brightly colored, and often
38:35 <Mekkis> unique to the point of seeming bizarre. And even in those
38:35 <Mekkis> cases where a gnome is trying to avoid notice, he’s more
38:35 <Mekkis> likely to choose a ghillie suit or similarly over-the-top
38:35 <Mekkis> outfit than simple muted colors.
39:25 <Wrothmonk> does the bot do traits? I don't see it anywhere
40:08 <Wrothmonk> oh yeah I need an outfit...
40:12 <Mekkis> no
40:17 <Mekkis> it can
40:24 <Mekkis> but I haven't done it yet
40:32 <Mekkis> mainly because there isn't an easy way to get them
40:39 <Mekkis> I needed to sniff the PRD for feats
40:40 <Wrothmonk> its it a 5gp or 10 gp outfit I get free?
40:48 <Mekkis> a reasonable one
40:55 <Mekkis> why? you after a ghille suit?
41:32 <Wrothmonk> I haven't even looked yet
41:52 <Mekkis> take the Collector trait from Gnomes of Golarion
42:35 <Wrothmonk> I don't have that book.
45:42 <Wrothmonk> can I choose not to take an outfit?
45:53 <Wrothmonk> I have 13 points of carrying capacity left...
45:55 <Mekkis> I don't see why not
46:05 <Wrothmonk> Good.
46:13 <Mekkis> keep in mind that armour for small creatures (and clothing) weighs less
48:13 <Wrothmonk> oh right
48:27 <Wrothmonk> I forgot I was small :P
49:02 <Wrothmonk> whats the reduction?
49:15 <Mekkis> 50%
49:25 <Wrothmonk> cool
49:31 <Wrothmonk> 23 lbs left :P
50:01 <Mekkis> your carrying capacity is reduced too
50:08 <Wrothmonk> fark
50:24 <Mekkis> !capacity 10
50:25 <diebot> Mekkis, 33
51:07 <Wrothmonk> where does it say that?
51:10 <Mekkis> so you multiply by .75
51:31 <Mekkis> chapter 7
51:44 <Wrothmonk> page?
51:49 <Mekkis> 170
54:03 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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54:42 <Mekkis> !capacity 10
54:43 <diebot> Mekkis, 33 if medium, 24.75 if small.
55:10 <Wrothmonk> should I round up or down?
55:47 <Mekkis> you shouldn't round
55:53 <Wrothmonk> ok.
56:11 <Wrothmonk> so my light load will be 24 and 3/4ths of a pound.
56:23 <Wrothmonk> lovely.
58:55 <Wrothmonk> as spear has a range of 20 ft?
59:01 <Wrothmonk> is that halved for being small?
00:20 <Wrothmonk> or is that meant to be thrown
03:08 <Hydrazine> thrown.
03:14 <Hydrazine> all ranges are for thrown.
03:31 <Hydrazine> if its a long weapon that goes beyond melee range without throwing it, it says reach.
04:43 <Hydrazine> The only difference you need to make for weapon stuff based on size is damage dice and weight.
06:02 <Wrothmonk> Do items scale at all?
06:21 <Wrothmonk> such as backpacks?
06:56 <Hydrazine> Don't recall backpacks.
08:11 <Hydrazine> Its not often we really measure backpacks as a specific volume.
08:22 <Wrothmonk> Yeah good point.
08:46 <Wrothmonk> well I can spare the 2 lbs.
09:09 <Wrothmonk> alright, studded leather, morningstar, and a backpack...
09:30 <Wrothmonk> I think there should be more here...
09:35 <Mekkis> why not chain shirt
09:39 <Mekkis> and quarterstaff
09:54 <Wrothmonk> might as well do a chain shirt.
10:08 <Wrothmonk> and why a quarterstaff when a morningstar does 1d6?
10:19 <Wrothmonk> when I could really only use the quarterstaff for 1d4
10:23 <Mekkis> because it costs nothing
10:31 <Mekkis> and you have no money after buying the chain shirt
10:45 <Wrothmonk> I thought you said you get 150 gp
10:54 <Mekkis> yeah
10:59 <Mekkis> doesn't a chain shirt cost 150
11:01 <Wrothmonk> chain shirt is 100 gp
11:04 <Mekkis> oh
11:09 <Mekkis> in that case, I'd longspear it
11:28 <Mekkis> Reach is a great thing to have
11:42 <Mekkis> (you're forgetting the spell component pouch, too)
12:00 <Wrothmonk> Thats it.
12:14 <Wrothmonk> although can reach weapons attack adjacent to me?
12:38 <Hydrazine> No.
12:40 <Mekkis> no
12:43 <Mekkis> but that's fine
12:48 <Mekkis> just 5' step back
12:50 <Hydrazine> Stay away from corners.
12:55 <Wrothmonk> good point
13:04 <Mekkis> the whole point of a reach weapon is to attack the enemy as they approach
13:15 <Hydrazine> I remember Jerus and another pole arm user fighting identical enemies once.
13:32 <Hydrazine> It was an elaborate dance to get them up against the wall and lay in the smash. It was beautiful.
13:45 <Mekkis> (at least, that's the point of a longspear in the hands of a caster)
13:57 <Mekkis> so the enemy thinks twice about attacking you
14:16 <Hydrazine> Esp. if you get one you can brace?
14:41 <Wrothmonk> spell component pouch costs?
15:40 <Wrothmonk> diebot isn't accepting pms
15:45 <Wrothmonk> again
15:46 <Hydrazine> Its in there somewhere.
15:53 <Hydrazine> I don't remember the price of everything.
16:06 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
16:08 <Hydrazine> Hell, apparently I can't even recall all the details of starting wizards from memory.
16:09 <Mekkis> try now, Wrothmonk 
16:37 <Wrothmonk> it gave me a polymathic pouch
16:42 <Wrothmonk> polymorphic*
16:53 <Mekkis> yeah. I didn't put nonmagical items in it
17:05 <Wrothmonk> ah there it is...
18:58 <Wrothmonk> alright then, 17 ac
19:17 <Wrothmonk> one more ac than my eidolon :P
19:19 <Wrothmonk> :?
19:22 <Wrothmonk> :/
19:51 <Wrothmonk> I'm going to be casting mage armor a bit aren't I?
20:10 <Mekkis> I would imagine so
20:44 <Mekkis> ask your GM if your eidolon starts not getting hit at all, then you'll know you need to scale back on the AC
20:56 <Mekkis> I had to do that with Perfection
21:07 <Wrothmonk> Really? Why?
21:20 <Wrothmonk> oh I just remembered what I was going to name my eidolon
21:23 <Wrothmonk> not spike
21:40 <Wrothmonk> [DATA EXPUNGED]
21:42 <Mekkis> because it isn't fun for anyone if you can't get hit
22:41 <Wrothmonk> why is that?
23:00 <Mekkis> there's no challenge, and it frustrates the GM
23:06 <Wrothmonk> Ah
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23:29 <Hydrazine> Because then the enemies just ignore you and move on to easier prey.
23:36 <Mekkis> or that
23:41 <Wrothmonk> well time to register on paizo
23:57 <Mekkis> depending on a) how smart the enemies are; and b) how smart the GM plays them
24:22 * Wrothmonk facepalm
24:24 <Wrothmonk> faction
24:31 <Mekkis> hmmm
24:35 <Mekkis> alignment?
24:36 <Wrothmonk> shadow lodge :P
24:41 <Mekkis> really?
24:48 * Wrothmonk x2 facepalm combo
24:56 <Mekkis> you trust that snake?
25:09 <Wrothmonk> I trust a dragon… thats kinda a snake
25:12 <Wrothmonk> :P
25:23 <Mekkis> but do you trust Torch?
25:28 <Mekkis> really?
25:30 <mrk> make sense for a monk to join torch?
25:30 <Wrothmonk> who?
25:34 <Hydrazine> I got quite upset Mekkis, when I had mindless enemies ignoring high AC targets.
25:43 <Mekkis> I mean, do you even know his NAME?
25:53 <Hydrazine> I know your name, Mek!
26:04 <Wrothmonk> nope, don't even know a guy that goes by torch.
26:15 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, then don't go Shadow Lodge
26:24 <Wrothmonk> I was joking anyway
26:25 <Mekkis> if you don't know who the faction leader is!
26:38 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, sure, but it goes both ways
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26:56 <Wrothmonk> alright, neutral good. As opposed to the normal chaotic guys I play.
27:16 <Mekkis> deity?
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27:53 <Wrothmonk> ugh where is the deity list again? cleric page right?
28:14 <Mekkis> yeah, I think
28:19 <Wrothmonk> 3-6....
28:20 <mrk> need a deity?
28:20 <Mekkis> or in the Inner Sea World Guide
28:21 <Mekkis> OH!
28:28 <Wrothmonk> ?
28:28 <Mekkis> you need to worship Apsu!
28:35 <Wrothmonk> apsu....
28:39 <mrk> lol
28:40 <Wrothmonk> I don't see that here.
29:04 <Mekkis> http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Apsu
29:26 <Wrothmonk> Sounds good to me :D
29:32 <Hydrazine> Why have I not seen helmets that go over potions with tubes to the mouth, like beer hats?
29:40 <Wrothmonk> ...
29:42 <Wrothmonk> brilliant
29:45 <Wrothmonk> or hilarius
29:48 <Wrothmonk> can't decide
30:04 <Mekkis> how is there even a contest?
30:13 <Wrothmonk> Both.
30:18 <Mekkis> it's Apsu
30:19 <Wrothmonk> Definetly both
30:40 <Wrothmonk> ok, next question, how much would a gold dragon's foot brooch cost :P
30:48 <Mekkis> (I can almost see you joining the Silver Crusade...)
30:58 <Mekkis> minimum, 20gp
30:59 <Wrothmonk> if I'm going to worship a dragon, I'm going to do it right!
31:04 <Mekkis> maximum, anything goes!
31:08 <Wrothmonk> ok after next scenario
31:22 <Mekkis> you should put all your money into gemstones that line it!
31:26 <Wrothmonk> wait… theres something on general jewelry prices in the core rulebook
31:45 <Wrothmonk> I did it when I was thinking about making a wizard
32:39 <Wrothmonk> 100-500 gp
32:44 <Wrothmonk> Jewelry, Normal (100–500 gp): Most jewelry is made of silver, gold, jade, or coral, often ornamented with semi-precious or even medium-quality gemstones. Normal jewelry includes all types of minor jewelry plus armbands, necklaces, and brooches.
32:53 <Mekkis> (my Synthesist in a Kingmaker campaign is an Apsu worshipper - he wants to make it the state religion)
33:09 <Wrothmonk> heh.
33:14 <Mekkis> "For Glory!"
33:19 <Mekkis> "For Leadership!"
33:25 <Mekkis> "For Peace"
33:33 <Hydrazine> Hey Mekkis. I watched AFL footy on sunday. Completely different is an understatement.
33:35 <Mekkis> (also for dragons...)
33:43 <Wrothmonk> For awesome dragons!
33:47 <Mekkis> Crows vs who?
34:06 <Hydrazine> I saw Crows vs Kilda and Kilda vs Port.
34:07 <Mekkis> and do you understand it?
34:26 <Hydrazine> I think I get the general idea.
34:33 <Mekkis> that's more than me
34:56 <Mekkis> hmmm... I hsould try and compile my IRC client on my phone
35:18 <Wrothmonk> I can kinda see osirion as a faction
35:28 <Wrothmonk> power through knowledge… about dragons!
35:44 <Hydrazine> I ask Tashes how much footy she understands.
35:48 <Hydrazine> "Ball goes in the sticks."
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36:08 <Wrothmonk> I thought it didn't work like that...
36:14 <Meltytashes> And you gotta bounce it too
36:28 <Meltytashes> and don't forget to be supercreepy to women in clubs on your days off. 
36:39 <Hydrazine> Its Aussie footy, Wroth. Its not even slightly close.
36:54 <Hydrazine> The only thing it has in common with American football is that the ball is almost the same shape.
36:57 <Meltytashes> Remember kids- you need at least one molestation allegation to join St Kilda. 
36:58 <Wrothmonk> is the football where you actually use your feet?
37:12 <Meltytashes> No wroth. 
37:12 <Mekkis> no, it's "Guy grabs ball, runs in the Correct Direction, bouncing it. Guy wearing different shirt grabs at him, if he falls down, everyone jumps ontop, causing a clusterfuck. The referee comes over and sorts it out. Repeat as required. Occasionally someone kicks the ball."
37:14 <Meltytashes> Well, sometimes. 
37:30 <Wrothmonk> ok so football american.
37:31 <Meltytashes> I think Mekkis got it right .
37:41 <Wrothmonk> sounds the same to me.
38:00 <Wrothmonk> wait bouncing it repeatedly?
38:03 <Hydrazine> Where in American ball do you have to punch it?
38:09 <Hydrazine> Yes. You have to dribble the ball.
38:12 <Wrothmonk> ...
38:18 <Wrothmonk> football meets basketball...
38:20 <Wrothmonk> Lovely
38:41 <Hydrazine> The field is also flipping huge. And oval.
38:51 <mrk> quick question, 2 traits for a new character?;)
38:58 <Wrothmonk> true
38:59 <Hydrazine> SO you dribble it like basketball. You don't throw to pass. You either kick it or punch it.
39:00 <Wrothmonk> wait no
39:03 <Wrothmonk> trick qustion!
39:11 <Wrothmonk> :P
40:10 <Hydrazine> And you have to kick it through the goal. Theres also no downs or yardage. They just run around alot.
40:26 <Wrothmonk> ok looking through the factions, osirion and silver crusade look the best
40:52 <Hydrazine> I felt sorry for those buggers, Mek. It was 38 and steamy in the shade.
41:49 <Wrothmonk> ooh I like the tomb raider trait.
41:55 <Wrothmonk> osirion it is.
41:58 <Hydrazine> Much less structured than American footy.
42:14 <Wrothmonk> what is this "structure" in american football you speak of?
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43:10 <Hydrazine> Every 10 seconds or so the whole field lines up at the ball and waits for someone to say go.
43:15 <Mekk> looks like my IRC client works on my phone, except it appears that an int is shorter...
43:17 <Wrothmonk> tomb raider will let me get a big perception boost.
43:22 <Hydrazine> My side/your side.
43:27 <Wrothmonk> ok
43:29 <Wrothmonk> structure
43:31 <Wrothmonk> I see
43:57 <Wrothmonk> my perception just went from 3 to 7
44:08 <Wrothmonk> :D
44:16 <Hydrazine> They keep careful track of exactly how many chances you get to run the ball before you lose it, and how far you have to get in order to keep it.
44:19 <Hydrazine> Structure.
44:21 <Mekkis> Itzamna's perception is horrible
44:48 <Wrothmonk> I have a cmv of -1
44:48 <Mekkis> then you kick it, and everyone runs after it
44:52 <Wrothmonk> cmb*
45:01 <Mekkis> and clusterfucks the ball
45:02 <Mekkis> :)
45:05 <Wrothmonk> http://pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=655
46:06 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, you should make a separate sheet for your eidolon
46:53 <Wrothmonk> Oh, I wasn't sure if I could do that.
49:09 <Hydrazine> American ball isn't really as clustered, Mek. Usually a play ends in a run, a pass, throwing to the wrong team, or the QB getting knocked on his ass.
49:28 <Hydrazine> Usually no more than 3 people on the ball at a time.,
49:43 <Meltytashes> <Hydrazine> Usually no more than 3 people on my balls at a time.,
49:47 <Meltytashes> fixed for ya
50:29 <Mekkis> in the US, it's different in .au, right?
50:46 <Mekkis> more people on the balls
50:57 <Hydrazine> way more people on the balls.
51:07 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, check out my eidolon
51:13 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Perfection_Front.jpg
51:58 <Wrothmonk> erm...
52:15 <Wrothmonk> That looks more like a [DATA EXPUNGED] than my dragon...
52:16 <Mekkis> large mechanical spider
52:28 <Mekkis> is what it's supposed to be
53:27 <Mekkis> nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Perfection8.pdf
54:32 <Hydrazine> [F(Sp)]ork are getting orcish army knives!
54:52 <Wrothmonk> hrm. what should I put in for [DATA EXPUNGED] as a char sheet name...
55:20 <Mekkis> please tell me your dragon's not called [DATA EXPUNGED]
55:34 <Wrothmonk> no its called [DATA EXPUNGED]
55:46 <Mekkis> at least use a decent, in-universe name
56:01 <Hydrazine> Ex-Benedict?
56:09 <Wrothmonk> Back to spike then
56:55 <Wrothmonk> what to put for gender....
57:01 <Hydrazine> Q
57:05 <Mekkis> what's its gender?
57:08 <Wrothmonk> ...
57:24 <Wrothmonk> Of course its a Q, I summon it form STNG
57:45 <Wrothmonk> I would like to say in character "I'm not exactly sure."
57:55 <Hydrazine> Well.. does it have a block and tacle? Twig and berries?
58:26 <Mekkis> Ireorikcdarss.
58:34 <Wrothmonk> ?
58:42 <Mekkis> that's a common draconic name
59:18 <Hydrazine> Susy.
59:23 <Mekkis> Pothoctiathar.
59:25 <Wrothmonk> I prefer spike.
59:36 <Wrothmonk> I'd prefer a name I can pronounce.
59:48 <Hydrazine> Doesn't your summoner speak draconic?
00:01 <Wrothmonk> Couldn't spare the points for int :(
00:10 <Mekkis> Martivir
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01:06 <Mekkis> Tiburdarss
01:28 <Wrothmonk> I already started the char sheet under spike.
02:15 <Mekkis> don't let that stop you
02:27 <Mekkis> just don't create fifteen characters with nothing on their sheets
02:36 <Mekkis> in direct succession
02:50 <Mekkis> Karajix
03:11 <Wrothmonk> That sounds interesting for a name.
03:24 <Mekkis>    Draconic sounds harsh to most other creatures and
03:24 <Mekkis> includes numerous hard consonants and sibilants. It
03:24 <Mekkis> includes sounds that humans generally describe as hissing
03:24 <Mekkis> (sj, ss, and sv) as well as a noise that sounds a great deal like
03:24 <Mekkis> a beast clearing its throat (ach).
03:52 <Hydrazine> Is that last bit any similar to German?
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04:04 <Mekkis> indeed
04:25 <Wrothmonk> ok, I'm forking over a rank from KN local to linguistics
04:40 <Mekkis> ErGix
05:05 <Hydrazine> I think you have to pronounce the name like you're really angry. For authenticity.
05:20 <Hydrazine> And like you've been smoking for 30 years.
05:56 <Wrothmonk> quick question, would getting a language from linguistics be the total points you have in it or just your ranks?
06:13 <Mekkis> just the ranks
06:37 <Hydrazine> the bonus points just go for linguistics rolls.
06:40 <Wrothmonk> Height and weight?
06:46 <Hydrazine> Which I've actually seen a decent number of times.
06:48 <Mekkis> your choice
07:35 <Wrothmonk> I'm assuming his weight wouldn't be over his light load?
07:58 <Mekkis> your weight doesn't contribute to your encumberance
09:11 <Wrothmonk> how does 127 lbs sound?
09:55 <Mekkis> ummmmm low
10:19 <Wrothmonk> 184?
10:27 <Mekkis> a lion weighs 250kg (550lb)
10:37 <Wrothmonk> ok then...
10:58 <Wrothmonk> probably round 670 then?
11:02 <Hydrazine> the Adelaide zoo lions are ripped.
11:10 <Hydrazine> I swear they're juicing.
11:17 <Mekkis> a panther weighs around 150lb
11:29 <Mekkis> a jaguar weighs 250lb
11:38 <Wrothmonk> The zookeepers want a big show...
12:20 <Mekkis> a proton's mass is 1.67262158 × 10^-27 kilograms
12:38 <Mekkis> a photon's mass is... possibly 0.
13:38 <Wrothmonk> 400 lbs? about
13:50 <Mekkis> what's that in kg?
14:03 <Wrothmonk> thats around the size of a cow.
14:19 <Mekkis> I think a cow is large
14:42 <mrk> roughly speaking, halve the lb value to get the kg value
15:55 <Wrothmonk> I was wrong about cows, its more like 600 lbs.
15:57 <Wrothmonk> min
16:17 <Wrothmonk> Deer size?
18:56 <Hydrazine> Mkay, g'night guys.
19:58 <Wrothmonk> finding the weight of a dragon is a little hard...
20:45 <Wrothmonk> medium can go between 60 lbs and 500 lbs
31:17 <Hydrazine> You know.. you culd just make some shit up.
31:41 <Hydrazine> Fork and Spork weigh about 300lbs because it sounded like a good number for big hulking orcs.
32:51 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, http://nl.ti4200.info/Karajix.png
33:13 <Mekkis> you're welcome
35:25 <Wrothmonk> I just thought of something. Would it be possible to add my eidolon's perform roll to mine for day job?
35:29 <Mekkis> no
35:34 <Mekkis> they's been ruled
35:39 <Wrothmonk> Ah well, just a thought.
35:56 <Mekkis> after people were taking Skilled (Diplomacy) and getting a +21 at level 2
36:08 <Wrothmonk> A magic show with a dragon appearing and disappearing would be fun.
36:33 <Mekkis> also: consider eschewing that rank in perform until you've got ranks in more... applicable skills...
37:00 <Mekkis> are those wings too small?
37:04 <Mekkis> tail too big?
37:50 <Wrothmonk> Wings look fine, tail is a bit long for now.
39:21 <Wrothmonk> I'll be getting the evolution later for a proper tail so its fine
40:59 <Wrothmonk> I have two more skill I can make favored classes. I'm not sure what to make them though.
41:11 <Wrothmonk> class skills*
41:16 <Wrothmonk> not favored classes
41:25 <Wrothmonk> I'm getting a bit tired, sorry
41:31 <Mekkis> perception
41:39 <Wrothmonk> already class skill
43:03 <Wrothmonk> fly will be a class skill when I get the wing evolution
45:17 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, http://nl.ti4200.info/Karajix2.png
45:23 <Mekkis> Knowledge (Dungeoneering)
45:28 <Mekkis> or Disable Device
46:04 <Wrothmonk> disable device with no arms/hands?
46:31 <Wrothmonk> this is for the eidolon btw
50:28 <Mekkis> hmmm
50:39 <Wrothmonk> climb?
51:06 <Mekkis> not going to use it with flight
51:33 <Mekkis> Sense Motive?
51:44 <Wrothmonk> Not going to get flight until level 5
52:07 <Wrothmonk> already class skill for eidolons
52:27 <Mekkis> disguise?
53:23 <Wrothmonk> disguising a dragon would be a bit of a high dc I think...
54:24 <Mekkis> it's to disguise that stupid glowing rune
54:33 <Wrothmonk> Ah
54:41 <Wrothmonk> kinda forgot that...
55:01 <Wrothmonk> I'll be buying a hat for my gnome.
55:13 <Mekkis> that's one reason Itzamna wears a turban
55:36 <Mekkis> (and the eidolon, a mechanical spider, is COVERED in glowing runes...)
56:13 <Wrothmonk> hem what kind of hat should I get
57:44 <Wrothmonk> Ah got it!
58:13 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Gnome.png
58:32 <Wrothmonk> wait no...
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58:39 <Wrothmonk> ok thats interesting looking
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