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10:45 <Mekkis> it's your decision about what to sacrifice, and really, it you're not going to offensive spells it's not that bad to lose caster levels
12:05 <Wrothmonk> I'm trying to figure out what all I would actually gain by doing fighter/EK
13:57 <Mekkis> feats and a bit of BAB
14:13 <Wrothmonk> Yup, looking through the feats ATM
18:26 <Wrothmonk> Now heres the thing, I'm not going to be able to get EK for a while because I'll be missing out on CL and I can't cast lvl 3 spells until my sorcerer CL is 6
20:40 <Mekkis> so you'd go sorc 4 / fighter 1 / dd 3 / ek?
20:51 <Wrothmonk> wait a second
20:59 <Mekkis> that's a lot of levels in order to get to that point
21:02 <Wrothmonk> Let me check DD quick.
21:13 <Mekkis> (also, strongly consider ranger rather than fighter)
21:26 <Mekkis> (or even Paladin....)
21:46 <Wrothmonk> darn, kinda hoping DD might be proficient in martial weapons.
22:29 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I really don't want to take that many levels, I fell like I would be way under powered at that point.
22:36 <Wrothmonk> want it*
22:56 <Mekkis> the real question is "what are you getting out of it"
27:14 <Mekkis> because really, a fighting-type character only needs one feat
28:41 <Wrothmonk> This is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to play Rumil anymore. I really just don't know what to do with him to make him effective.
28:58 <Mekkis> !find Rumil
28:59 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=492
29:42 <Mekkis> I was surprised you weren't going all wolverine on enemies...
31:58 <Mekkis> !history 492
32:03 <diebot> Mekkis, r76 | vpsirc | 2013-02-25 00:24:15 -0500 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013) | 1 line
32:03 <diebot> Mekkis, r67 | vpsirc | 2013-02-18 02:25:35 -0500 (Mon, 18 Feb 2013) | 1 line
32:24 <Mekkis> !diff 492 r67
32:25 <diebot> Mekkis, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/492r67.txt
32:47 <Wrothmonk> The history is going to look a bit messed up. IDK how I messed up so bad on so many stats and rules.
33:03 <Mekkis> is your wealth including what you got from Sunday's game?
33:34 <Mekkis> (and your prestige)
33:48 <Wrothmonk> Prestiege yes
33:59 <Mekkis> seriously?
34:26 <Mekkis> 9XP 8 prestige?
34:28 <Wrothmonk> wealth as well, although that may be off as I haven't been able to pull off my chronicle sheets from my old laptop.
34:40 <Wrothmonk> I messed up on faction missions /alot/
35:18 <Wrothmonk> Also there was a faction change.
35:21 <Mekkis> oh
35:25 <Mekkis> what's your fame?
35:48 <Wrothmonk> Does fame carry over from other factions?
35:58 <Mekkis> yes
36:08 <Mekkis> just a sec
36:09 <Wrothmonk> ok need to increase that a little..
36:30 <Mekkis> you changed your faction... to Sczarni?
36:36 <Mekkis> why?
37:56 <Wrothmonk> Hell I don't remember. Half of this bloody character I have no clue why I did what I did.
38:44 <Wrothmonk> ok fame is updated, 11 fame total
38:58 <Wrothmonk> wait no, 12
39:15 <Mekkis> (remember that if the faction change was before 2nd level, it's free)
39:43 <Wrothmonk> How so?
39:56 <Wrothmonk> It was before level 1
39:56 <Mekkis> you get free rebuilds at first level
40:11 <Mekkis> then you don't need to pay for it
40:27 <Mekkis> oh... and you haven't played a game at 4th yet, have you?
40:34 <Wrothmonk> Nope
40:51 <Mekkis> I strongly suggest you replace Flaming Sphere with something else
41:25 <Mekkis> with a low charisma, the sphere will be doing nothing a lot of the time
41:28 <Mekkis> it's reflex negates
41:36 <Wrothmonk> Oh right...
42:45 <Wrothmonk> How about bull's strength?
43:12 <Mekkis> better, but... 
44:01 <Wrothmonk> ?
44:16 <Mekkis> problem is that it doesn't stack with the belt of strength that most fighters have. If you're using it on yourself it might be good...
44:32 <Mekkis> The other issue is that you get one 2nd level spell that you'll be casting 4 times per day
45:04 <Mekkis> Consider something like Mirror Image
45:51 <Mekkis> it keeps you alive, gives you actions to go all wolverine on the enemy if that's your thing...
46:06 <Mekkis> AND, it remains useful at higher levels
47:51 <Mekkis> Alter Self is another thing I'd consider over Bull's Strength: it gives you a +2 to strength for the same duration, but also gives you fun things like swim speed, darkvision, scent..
48:01 <Mekkis> (and bonuses to disguise, if that's needed)
48:23 <Mekkis> (and the +2 to strength isn't an enhancement bonus, so it stacks)
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51:30 <Wrothmonk> Alter self sounds pretty good.
51:50 <Mekkis> as a sorcerer with low charisma, it's one of the ones I'd take
52:25 <Mekkis> both Alter Self and Mirror Image are useful at higher levels
52:56 <Mekkis> You should consider other polymorph effects...
53:06 <Wrothmonk> I remember mirror image being fun, but I think alter self would be better for going wolverine on enemies.
53:24 <Mekkis> !spell Beast Form I
53:25 <diebot> Mekkis, GIANT FORM I transmutation (polymorph[]) sorcerer/wizard 7, alchemist 6 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume) Duration: 1 min./level Save:  SR:
53:26 <diebot> When you cast this spell you can assume the form of any Large humanoid creature of the giant subtype (see the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary). Once you assume your new form, you gain the following abilities: a +6 size bonus to Strength, a -2 penalty to Dexterity, a +4 size bonus to Constitution, a +4 natural armor bonus, and low-light vision. If the form
53:26 <diebot> you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, rend (2d6 damage), regeneration 5, rock catching, and rock throwing (range 60 feet, 2d6 damage). If the creature has immunity or resistance to any elements, you gain resistance 20 to those elements. If the creature has vulnerability to an element, you
53:26 <diebot> gain that vulnerability.
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54:05 <Mekkis> !spell Beast Shape I
54:06 <diebot> Mekkis, BEAST SHAPE I transmutation (polymorph[]) sorcerer/wizard 3, alchemist 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume) Duration: 1 min./level Save:  SR:
54:07 <diebot> When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent. Small animal: If the form you take is that
54:07 <diebot> of a Small animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and a +1 natural armor bonus. Medium animal: If the form you take is that of a Medium animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and a +2 natural armor bonus.
54:09 <Mekkis> ah
54:11 <Mekkis> third level
54:39 <Mekkis> (once you get stuff like that, you can still grow your claws while in a beast form)
54:46 <Wrothmonk> Nice.
58:28 <Mekkis> the frustrating thing is that you should be trying to get power attack as soon as possible, but it's probably best to get as your 6th level bonus feat
59:11 <Wrothmonk> what about my 5th level feat?
59:53 <Mekkis> no idea
00:10 <Wrothmonk> I could get it then.
00:10 <Mekkis> if you want to do more casting, get a metamagic feat
00:27 <Wrothmonk> wait, what bonus feat?
00:37 <Mekkis> bloodline feat
00:51 <Wrothmonk> oh right.
00:59 <Mekkis> if you want to do more stuff in combat, consider something like dodge, or combat expertise, or something
01:47 <Mekkis> Maybe even take Arcane Heritige
01:49 <Wrothmonk> The bloodline feat is at 7th.
03:23 <Mekkis> you could take Arcane Heritage, and then Improved Familiar, to get Riddywipple!
04:08 <Wrothmonk> I thought I couldn't change bloodlines?
05:53 <Mekkis> you can't
06:53 <Mekkis> !feat eldritch-heritage
06:54 <diebot> Mekkis, ELDRITCH HERITAGE []Prereq:  Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.  You are descended from a long line of sorcerers, and some portion of their power flows in your veins.
06:55 <diebot> Benefit:  Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat
06:55 <diebot> your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities. Source: UM
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09:19 * Mekkis cuts of one of Hydralaptop's heads
10:26 * Hydralaptop grows two more
11:48 <Mekkis> Damn. It never works
36:12 <Wrothmonk> Dude, you have to burn the stumps
36:27 <Mekkis> but you shouldn't burn laptops...
37:09 <Wrothmonk> Yeah the whole poisonous gas in the battering thing isn't nice...
37:14 <Wrothmonk> battery* 
48:42 <Mekkis> not poisonous gas
48:49 <Mekkis> just explosions
49:53 <Wrothmonk> Well explosions are nice, as long as your not in them or have a low respawn time...
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01:34 <Mekkis> is also damages a laptop
08:26 <Wrothmonk> Its a pc, I would expect, dime a dozen.
10:30 <Mekkis> you know what annoys me about the whole mac vs pc debate?
11:13 <niconorsk> Do tell
11:36 <Mekkis> the fact that is illustrates the delusion that a mac is not a PC
12:04 <Mekkis> newsflash! Inside, there's no difference.
12:19 <Wrothmonk> I don't know what else to call it :/
12:20 <niconorsk> Well, you know those Macs just aren't that personal
13:22 <niconorsk> Call it OSX vs Windows, which is where most of the difference really is
13:24 <Mekkis> niconorsk: well they're definitely not minicomputers
13:50 <Wrothmonk> Sounds good to me, thanks!
14:19 <Mekkis> call it fruity vs cheap
15:20 <Wrothmonk> How about works vs doesn't?
15:38 <Wrothmonk> The sides can be debated as to which is which!
15:58 <Mekkis> except that they're both on the same side - like the mac vs PC debate
16:13 <Wrothmonk> Yeah pretty much.
17:13 <Mekkis> how about maclovers vs sane people?
17:23 <Wrothmonk> ...
18:22 <Mekkis> people who like wasting money vs people who don't
18:29 <Wrothmonk> Lets just stop there ok?
18:34 <Mekkis> ok
25:05 <Mekkis> I realised I have six harddrives in my desktop
27:08 <Mekkis> I should probably plug them in and figure out what's on them
28:41 <Hydralaptop> I think the part that gets me about the pc vs mac debate is the attitude. you don't hear windows users ranting all day about how great life is because of it. It feels like the Mac brand comes with a free superiority complex.
29:18 <Mekkis> you find a few
29:26 <Mekkis> they're generally the people who actually like windows 8
29:37 <Hydralaptop> Those exist?
29:49 <Wrothmonk> I have one living with me D:
29:57 <Mekkis> all six of them!
30:06 <Hydralaptop> Are they under the age of 10 or over the age of 60?
30:32 <Wrothmonk> Not the one here.
31:54 <Hydralaptop> Are they comfortably skilled in using any windows older than 8?
32:02 <Wrothmonk> Yes
32:34 <Hydralaptop> Huh. What do they like about it?
33:10 * Wrothmonk shrug
33:23 <Wrothmonk> Haven't asked.
43:34 <Mekkis> yes
43:42 <Mekkis> faster boot times
43:47 <Mekkis> less memory overhead
43:49 <Mekkis> the usual
44:21 <Mekkis> (that is, the usual things that you experience after a fresh install of ANY operating system - except windows 2000 advanced server)
45:46 <Wrothmonk> Your probably right.
46:16 <Mekkis> not sure if that's the same with OSX, because I've never used a fresh install...
46:19 <Mekkis> actually, I think I did
46:35 <Mekkis> when someone needed me to crack the password
46:45 <Mekkis> (FYI, it isn't hard)
51:29 <bendog> it didn't use to be hard
51:39 <bendog> just stick the install disc in and overwrite it 
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26:31 <Wrothmonk> ctrl D when booting up puts you in a diagnostic mode for macs, I believe that lets you retrieve your password...
27:15 <Mekkis> I just mounted the harddrive on a linux box
27:35 <Mekkis> I like how they fucked up the Standard Unix Filesystem
28:09 <Mekkis>  For beginners, Character Optimization (MinMax) is a trap.  Seriously.
28:09 <Mekkis> The characters created by people on such boards can only be played in
28:09 <Mekkis> games run by people who likewise participate. This is a tiny minority
28:09 <Mekkis> of all the games. A DM in a more normal game will look at those
28:09 <Mekkis> characters, say "This is a gamebreaker - disallowed, try something
28:09 <Mekkis> more reasonable." That's one of the DUTIES of a DM.
25:29 <Steven> im back....
26:03 <Steven> migraines are really not fun guys... avoid them if you can
42:08 <Mekkis> I do
44:39 <Mekkis> help me decide between harrower and bloatmage
46:11 <Steven> ive never been a fan of the bloatmage
46:38 <Mekkis> actually, I'm tossing up not taking either as an option too
46:58 <Mekkis> I want to try and get my CL for a single spell as high as possible
47:28 <Mekkis> hmmm
47:38 <Mekkis> if I take bloatmage, my speed will be 5'
50:14 <Steven> what do you really add for bloatmage?
50:25 <Mekkis> well
50:31 <Mekkis> Bloatmage initiate gives a +1 CL
50:45 <Wrothmonk> bloatmage?
50:48 <Steven> you just cast spells without expending spell slots
51:17 <Mekkis> Original Price 	You Pay
51:17 <Mekkis> Product Total: 	$50.24 	$3.25
51:32 <Mekkis> +$8 shipping
52:34 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, it's in City of Strangers
52:42 <Mekkis> Steven, do you have the Animal Archive?
52:44 <Steven> if you harrowcast dont you automatically get a +1CL for a turn?
53:34 <Steven> i havent seen a harrower play before
53:37 <Steven> so im not sure
54:01 <Mekkis> only if you draw the right cards
54:02 <Mekkis> umm..
54:11 <Mekkis> with a harrow deck, do you shuffle before each harrowing?
54:22 <Mekkis> or is it only once you've exhausted the deck?
54:54 * Steven shrugs
56:13 <Mekkis> I'll need to program a harrow deck into diebot
56:15 <Steven> i dont know how you would determine what cards you drew online, i think it would be overly complicated.
57:16 <Wrothmonk> city of strangers as in; the scenario?
57:30 <Wrothmonk> for pfs?
57:54 <Wrothmonk> never mind, I'll just stay out of this.
59:36 <Mekkis> no
59:42 <Mekkis> City of Strangers, as in the book
59:51 <Mekkis> it's a very good read
00:17 <Mekkis> Actually, assuming you reshuffle after each harrowing, it's really easy to program
00:31 <Mekkis> SELECT * FROM HARROW_DECK ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 9;
06:40 <Mekkis> oh
07:06 <Mekkis> quick probe to Ulzef_hates_mIRC, Steven, Brunius-, Avatar and kapow: Regarding HP.
07:18 <Mekkis> I'll either allow you to take low-average, or roll...
07:35 <Steven> whats low average?
07:38 <Brunius-> What's low average
07:56 <Mekkis> d6 => 3; d8 -> 4; d10 -> 5; d12 -> 6
08:02 <Mekkis> aka average -0.5
08:29 <Brunius-> Hmm
08:34 <Brunius-> I'll think about it
09:56 <Steven> difference is 7hp or 4 hp for me...
10:03 <Steven> at worst
10:16 <Steven> um.... ill roll lets throw caution into the wind!
10:21 <Steven> !throw 1d8
10:23 <diebot> Steven, 1d8: [1d8=3] 3
10:27 <Steven> 6 hp!
10:56 <Steven> woot woot
13:23 <Steven> total 19hp at second level
14:43 <Steven> oh yeah mekkis i picked a skunk for my familiar..
15:30 <Steven> 4 more levels and i will sacrifice the stinky bastard
15:49 <Steven> get myself a cacodaemon 
20:12 <Steven> start eatin souls...
20:27 <Steven> btw... mekkis how do you feel about keeping slaves?
23:16 <Mekkis> me personally?
23:19 <Mekkis> or my characters?
31:57 <Mekkis> !spell Harrowing
32:09 <diebot> Mekkis, HARROWING divination ([]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 10 minutes Range: touch one creature Comp: V, S, F (a Harrow deck) Duration: 1 day/level or until fulfilled Save:  SR:
32:09 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/harrowing.html
33:04 <Steven> i mean in way of the wicked
33:12 <Mekkis> oh
33:26 <Mekkis> sure... if you can find somewhere to keep them
33:37 <Mekkis> people are searching for you
33:54 <Steven> ill find me a dungeon!
35:00 <Wrothmonk> I'm sure slaves would be comfortable in torture chambers, way of the wicked and all...
36:50 <Mekkis> planning on doing some crating?
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38:12 <Steven> plan on doing me some soul farming
39:01 <Mekkis> I am
40:04 <Mekkis> oh
40:13 <Mekkis> Harrower isn't a legal prestige class
40:15 <Mekkis> :(
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48:35 <Mekkis> Harrower isn't a legal prestige class
48:36 * Mort- wags tail
48:48 * Mekkis throws a harrow card at Mort- 
49:11 <diebot> The Carnival	Wis	CN
49:25 * Mort- dodges
49:35 <Mort-> The last time i had my fortune told it was all death cards
49:47 <Mort-> Not getting anywhere near a harrow deck thanks
50:39 * Mort- is just a small mur
50:43 * Mekkis throws a harrow card at Mort- 
50:55 * Mort- ducks
50:56 <diebot> The Marriage	Cha	LN
52:01 <Mort-> Anyway what about it.
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53:00 <Mekkis> I was planning on playing a harrower
53:06 <Mekkis> looks like I'm not anymore :S
53:11 <Mort-> Why don't you throw me cookies instead
53:21 <Mort-> They are appreciated more
53:29 <Mekkis> because that would be unlawful
53:39 <Mort-> Why?
53:43 <Mekkis> I promised the circumstances on which I'd throw you cookies
53:52 <Mort-> There's no law saying you can't feed a mur
54:02 <Mort-> You can feed me out of good will too
54:12 <Mekkis> that would be breaking a promise
54:24 <Mort-> I don't mind.
54:37 <Steven> I mind!
54:40 <Mekkis> you care about breaking your own promises!
54:42 <Steven> mekkis you must remain lawful!
54:48 <Mort-> You said you would give me a cookie if i did x
55:07 <Mort-> You can always give me a cookie for being adorable
55:33 <Mort-> Ah well. I'm sure hydra and tashes have cookies
55:34 <Mekkis> better not. It would set a bad precedent
55:47 <Mekkis> regardless, Mort-, when are you buying me some ramen
56:05 <Mort-> Come to sg i could
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56:23 <Mort-> Ah hi brunius!
56:34 <Mort-> Do you have cookies?
58:31 * Mort- growls at Steven
58:36 <Brunius-> Nein
58:49 <Mort-> Yes yes yes cookie?
59:00 <Brunius-> Null cookie
59:20 * Mort- looks at brunius sadly :(
59:28 <Brunius-> Night haben cookie
59:43 <Brunius-> Nicht, phone, nicht
59:44 <Mort-> Wut that?
00:30 <Wrothmonk> I think you mean Nil brunius
00:47 <Wrothmonk> Null is undefined while nil is zero.
01:03 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, depends on the language
01:09 <Wrothmonk> Fair point.
01:14 <Mekkis> in Ruby, Nil is undefined :)
01:24 <Wrothmonk> I did not know that.
01:25 <Mekkis> did you end up getting LaTeX, Wrothmonk?
01:36 <Wrothmonk> Yup, haven't tried it out though.
01:55 <Brunius-> From what German I remember, null is zero
02:04 <Brunius-> But I could be wrong
02:09 <Mort-> I thought he was speaking german
02:15 <Brunius-> It seemed shifty at the time
02:38 <Mort-> but you'll bring cookies for me in the future right:)
02:52 <Brunius-> Maybe
02:59 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, here's Deceased's character sheet, as of april 2011
03:00 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/deceased_sheet.tar.bz2
03:06 <Mekkis> if you want to try compiling
03:24 <Mekkis> (extract everything to a directory, then enter the deceased directory and type make)
03:39 <Mekkis> (if you don't have make installed, type pdflatex Charsheet.tex )
05:12 <Mort-> !throw 1d20-1 sense motive is bru ok Today?
05:13 <diebot> Mort-, sense motive is bru ok Today?: [1d20=9] 8
05:24 <Mort-> Hm. Don't smell a fish
06:14 <Mort-> Aren't brus supposed to have more energy?
06:48 <Brunius-> Perhaps
10:34 <Mort-> Hm
10:42 * Mort- gives bru a cookie
10:43 <Mekkis> hmmm
10:55 * Mekkis deletes his cookies
11:28 <Wrothmonk> Well thats certainly interesting, text to pdf.
12:09 <Mekkis> if you tun pdflatex SummarySheet.tex it will use the same input to create a different character sheet
12:15 <Mekkis> s/tun/run
12:17 <Mekkis> /
13:48 <Mekkis> (the actual data is stored in Abilities.tex, Attacks.tex, Skills.tex, Spelllevel.tex, and Items.tex )
14:00 <Wrothmonk> I kinda guessed that.
14:39 <Mekkis> on my system, Charsheet.tex, SummarySheet.tex, pathfinderabilitycalc.tex and AsciiCharsheet.tex are symlinks
15:15 <Mekkis> (disclaimer: most LaTeX documents do not butcher LaTeX in this manner)
17:20 <Wrothmonk> Well at this point I can't make much of a certain heads or tails of this. I need to get to bed, but could you send me some sort of tutorial via pm for me to look at in the morning?
18:35 <Wrothmonk> Ah wait nvm, just saw the readme and it has tutorials.
19:00 <Wrothmonk> Anyway, goodnight.
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21:28 <Steven> yup...... im bored.... 
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22:52 <Steven> methinks im going to theory craft and create something stupid
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24:53 <Steven> how bout a melee witch
31:03 <Steven> yeah... like a monk/witch
39:15 <Steven> yeah... punch evil eye feels right
12:27 <Mekkis> how about oracle/sorcerer/mystic theurge/hellknight signifier
19:34 <Steven> nah...
21:12 <Mekkis> In Pathfinder, can you interpret +1 level of a spellcasting class as +1 level of mystic theurge?
21:34 <Brunius> oh god
21:38 <Brunius> I'd say yes, RAW
22:11 <Mekkis> as would I, any new evidence notwithstanding
24:24 <Mekkis> https://plus.google.com/105608625508849318903/about?hl=en
34:26 <Steven> I dont believe you get to pick mystic theurge as your +1 level since it doesnt have a spell list.
22:05 <Avatar> yeah I'd have to agree 
24:54 <Mekkis> I'm talking RAW
24:56 <Mekkis> not RAI
26:19 <Avatar> yeah so am I
26:30 <Avatar> spellcasting class assumes you have "spells"
26:36 <Avatar> which mystic theurge doesn't
26:54 <Avatar> if you multiclass into it and use abilities which enhances its spells, that's not, RAW, a spellcasting class
30:26 <Avatar> is delirium's tangle a bad choice for sunday
30:42 <Mekkis> ah
30:45 <Mekkis> a Torch scenario
30:47 <Mekkis> could be worse
31:01 <Mekkis> save it for when someone brings up a roc-riding gnome :)
31:13 <Steven> deliriums tangle isnt bad
31:13 <Mekkis> it almost killed Grolschmir
31:20 <Mekkis> if he was a halfling, he'd be dead
31:22 <Avatar> really
31:27 <Mekkis> yeah
31:30 <Avatar> i'd ask how, but spoilers
31:56 <Mekkis> damage to -1HP, followed by a 20' drop off a roc onto the floor
32:09 <Mekkis> rolling high on the damage
56:14 <Mekkis> in Soviet Russia, did they label floors Ground-1-2 or 1-2-3?
02:08 <Avatar> could do the penumbral accords, but I didn't play much of it
05:38 <Mekkis> Why not Before The Dawn I?
05:46 <Avatar> I've run it before
06:30 <Avatar> this would be much easier if I knew who was keen on playing
10:45 <Mekkis> you're such a credit-whore, Avatar... :P
15:11 <Steven> at least he's not a dirty credit whore
15:20 <Mekkis> true
15:26 <Mekkis> he's doing it honestly
20:45 <Avatar> what is a dirty credit whore
21:18 <Mekkis> someone who fraudulently runs (or 'plays') sessions for credit
21:26 <Mekkis> think, First Steps 1 in 25 minutes
21:40 <Avatar> HA
25:42 <Steven> yeah, like me and my friends who have memorized the scenarios so theres no reason to actually spend a lot of time on it... we skip through a lot of shit
41:00 <Steven> First Steps 1 we run though Dire rat fight, imp fight, and Ally fight. First steps 2  ghoul fight, blindheim, Skeleton, kobold/skulk fight. First steps 3 Metal Dog, kobold croc fight, and gilmen.  
41:24 <Mekkis> isn't this called "savage metagaming"?
41:49 <Steven> i would say.... yes
42:46 <Steven> i cant count the number of times we have played first steps.
43:36 <Steven> there did a quick search... 31 times.
44:53 <Steven> so... 10 full runs on each module.
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45:01 <Steven> scenario... whatever
45:12 <Steven> that i have played, plus whatever i have GMed
45:48 <spider21b> hi'
46:30 <Mekkis> that's sickening
46:39 <Steven> yes... yes it is.
47:07 <Steven> now you know why occationally we skip the boring parts... like the RP we have done 5 or so times before
47:27 <spider21b> whats up everyone?
47:47 <Steven> discussing dirty credit whores and the shortcuts they take
51:34 <Steven> building myself a half orc
52:15 <Steven> 1 more game and they will be level 4 or 5... never played him
52:57 <Steven> oh i mean 2 games.
53:02 <Steven> he is 4.33
54:40 <Mekkis> do a Goodall!
54:53 <Mekkis> retire an unplayed character!
55:06 <Mekkis> his is currently 12.67
55:09 <Mekkis> umm
55:12 <Mekkis> 11.67
55:35 <Steven> meh
55:40 <Steven> i can do that later.
58:15 <Steven> half orc cleric into a Living monolith... i been thinking about it forever, bout time i built it
58:36 <Steven> i bought the book over a year ago
58:42 <Steven> so i could build one
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03:12 <Steven> im bouncing between a cleric and a fighter...
03:38 <Wrothmonk> I am so tempted to link that taco commercial...
04:08 <Steven> so link it so i can ignore the link.
04:15 <Wrothmonk> Nah
04:56 <Wrothmonk> And looking at it I can now see why you wouldn't want both...
07:38 <Steven> hmmmm yeah i think lore warden is pretty boss ya know
12:06 <Mekkis> perhaps.
12:26 <Mekkis> do you know if there's a druidic oracle available to play?
16:13 <Steven> Nature Oracle
17:43 <Steven> its kinda druidy
18:06 <Mekkis> do they get the druid spell list?
18:18 <Steven> no
18:36 <Steven> but they have a revelation that adds all summon natures ally spells to their spell list
18:47 <Mekkis> that's what I'm after 
18:55 <Mekkis> druid spells
19:13 <Mekkis> if I wanted summon nature's ally, I'd play a summoner
19:24 <Steven> theres no oracle that gets druid spell list
19:45 <Steven> lore warden stats 14/14/16/14/12/10
19:49 <Steven> at lvl 4
20:05 <Steven> none of that min maxin stuff
20:51 <niconorsk> Is that with racial mods?
21:09 <Wrothmonk> I kinda hope it is.
21:17 <Steven> it is
29:59 <Steven> Yup... i think imma wield a Dire Flail
30:15 <Steven> cause that just sounds like fun
31:38 <Steven> or maybe just a heavy flail
31:47 <Steven> i never see anyone using flails... they just seem like fun ya know
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39:53 <Steven> time to go see if something is legal
45:19 <Steven> nope thats not legal
10:46 <Mekkis> what isn't legal? 
15:35 <Steven> doesnt matter... went another way
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25:55 <Mort-> Hm
26:56 <Mekkis> hmm
27:03 <Mekkis> yay for emailing VCs
27:13 <Mekkis> Mort-, want to make some money?
27:21 <Mort-> What?
27:29 * Mort- ears perk up
27:30 <Mort-> How?
27:38 <Mekkis> start a card shop in India
27:54 <Mort-> Money = can buy cookies
27:56 <Mort-> What card shop
27:57 <Mort-> What kind of cards
28:18 <Mort-> Just thought of some funky wands to abuse
28:31 <Mekkis> Magic cards
28:49 <Mort-> Oh never mind
28:59 <Mort-> Frigid touch hm.
29:04 <Mort-> Melee touch attac.
29:09 <Mekkis> !spell frigid touch
29:14 <diebot> Mekkis, FRIGID TOUCH evocation ([cold]) druid 2, magus 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yes
29:14 <diebot> This spell causes your hand to glow with a pale blue radiance. Your melee touch attack deals 4d6 points of cold damage and causes the target to be staggered for 1 round. If the attack is a critical hit, the target is staggered for 1 minute instead.
29:16 <Mort-> No save only sr
29:33 <Mekkis> <?staggered
29:35 <diebot> A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions. A creature with nonlethal damage exactly equal to its current hit points gains the staggered condition.
30:05 <Mort-> Damn. Tempted to take wand wielder now
30:33 <Mekkis> should make it like Tsun
30:42 <Mort-> Stun?
30:54 <Mekkis> Tsun
31:06 <Mort-> What's a tsun
31:08 <Mort-> Never mind.
31:14 <Mekkis> my character for Squirrel's Run
31:19 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=178
31:34 <Mort-> Thinking about it. Can i afford the moneys for that wand?
31:48 <Mort-> I think its good for melee bbegs
32:50 <Mort-> Hm.
33:02 * Mort- tail randomly twitches
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47:46 <Mekkis> no
47:48 <Mekkis> :)
48:49 <Mekkis> actually, as a melee wizard with a bonded wand, I'd consider it
49:11 <Mekkis> actually... as a melee druid, it seems really good
49:31 <Mekkis> if I were you, I'd buy a scroll with 4 copies of it on it first, to test-drive it
55:35 <Mort-> Sounds like an idea
55:56 * Mort- thinks of a scimi crit range + spell strike
56:13 * Mekkis sighs at what magi do
56:32 <Mort-> I just thought of it!
56:43 <Mort-> I'm a little too small to make stuff keen though
56:54 <Mort-> Else its 15-20 crit range
58:00 <Mort-> Yeah better go get some scrolls of that stuff
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01:27 * Mort- waves at a brunius
01:40 <Mort-> Maybe i really should get a wand of that stuff
01:54 <Mort-> Sigh. And people might sunder my wand :(
02:11 <Steven> heavy Flail at +6 for 1d10+11
02:26 <Mekkis> yuck
02:27 <Mekkis> d10s
02:54 <Steven> in 5 games it will enlarge as a swift action
04:48 <Mekkis> Mekkis the Evoker         St:12 Dx:13 Co:15 In:19 Wi:12 Ch:11  Neutral S:784
04:48 <Mekkis> Dlvl:4  $:494 HP:13(13) Pw:13(13) AC:8  Xp:1/35  Wt:566/725  T:1164
05:08 <Steven> Heavy Flailing for 2d8+12
05:47 <Mekkis> Welcome to Experience Level 2
07:25 <Steven> yeah... +8 for 2d8+12 without any items.
07:42 <Mekkis> cleric?
07:51 <Steven> lore warden fighter
14:34 <Brunius-> Dæmon
16:45 <Brunius-> It's looking like I won't be at conquest
17:23 <Mekkis> same here
18:47 <Brunius-> Did you end up getting your security clearance?
19:54 <Mekkis> still waiting
20:28 <Steven> there we go, character complete
20:35 <Mekkis> uploaded?
20:40 <Steven> now to decide if i want to go cheese with him or not.
20:49 <Steven> build a cheese version and a regular version
20:53 <Mekkis> the answer should always be no
21:13 <Steven> mekkis, you are less than fun... anyone ever told you that before?
21:25 <Mekkis> only one person
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21:38 <Mekkis> she just left this channel
22:07 <Steven> well so long as you know
24:01 <Steven> you know i actually like the normal version better
26:05 <Mekkis> I think I've found the real difference between cheesy characters and noncheesy ones
28:34 <Steven> i usually go by rules abuse.
38:35 <Mekkis> I go by "would anyone mourn their death"
04:13 <Mekkis> oh no
04:16 <Mekkis> there's a reporting issue
04:27 <Mekkis> I got 2.5XP and 4prestige
06:44 <Mekkis> I know
06:58 <Mekkis> when Avatar runs Darkest Vengeance, we'll all play pregens!
07:10 <Mekkis> if we survive, then you apply them to our characters!
08:15 <Steven> i feel like ive already played darkest vengeance
08:24 <Mekkis> I haven't.
08:26 <Mekkis> I have run it
09:32 <Steven> yup played it
09:52 <Steven> on my gunslinger
11:51 <Steven> yup... i remember that one
13:29 <Steven> dunno why everyone hates it... i had a blast
20:00 <Mekkis> because it doesn't work
26:56 <Mekkis> I'm getting the impression that tomorrow's party will be two wizards, a sorcerer and a paladin
27:52 <Mekkis> Steven, would an Amulet of Mighty Fists (spellstoring) let you store a different spell in each natural weapon?
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48:36 <Mekkis> oh
48:37 <Mekkis> wow
48:40 <Mekkis> Proquar!
48:43 <Proquar> hey! look who it is!
48:47 <Proquar> hey mekkis!
48:57 <Proquar> how's it going?
49:03 <Mekkis> alright, I guess
49:05 <Mekkis> yourself?
49:18 <Proquar> y'know
49:29 <Proquar> do you have any thoughts on the pirate party?
50:03 <Mekkis> yes.
50:10 <Proquar> care to share them?
50:18 <Mekkis> I agree that the issues they stand for really do need to be addressed
50:44 <Mekkis> I'm not sure I like their policy of how they'd deal with other issues
50:53 * Proquar nogs sagely
50:58 <Proquar> there is always that problem
51:07 <Proquar> with a single(-ish) issue party
51:12 <Mekkis> why?
51:14 <Proquar> and the wikileaks party?
51:16 <Mekkis> are you joining?
51:19 <Mekkis> ummm
51:20 <Proquar> i'm keeping my eye out...
51:57 <Mekkis> not sure about them... I believe that there should be better ways to keep government and corporations more open
52:00 <Proquar> i think the greens have taken a turn for the worse  
52:15 <Proquar> better than wikileaks, or better than what we are doing, or both?
52:18 <Mekkis> rather than, you know, put everything you can get your hands on on the internet
52:29 <Mekkis> better than wikileaks.
52:48 <Mekkis> I'm not entirely sure what we're doing - I know there are some chilling things that come out of FOIs
53:15 <Proquar> and wikileaks ;)
53:20 * Proquar sighs deeply
53:34 <Proquar> you've convinced me deeper of things i pretty much already thought  :D
54:19 <Mekkis> did you see that FOI response of a meeting between ISPs and ACMA?
54:31 <Mekkis> it was black
54:32 * Proquar hangs head
54:46 <Proquar> the whole system is pretty dire...
54:52 <Steven> mekkis, the answer is no
56:53 * Proquar nods at Steven
02:46 <Mekkis> are you a member of any of those parties, Proquar?
03:00 <Proquar> just the greens.. still lingering ;)
03:33 <Proquar> i'm following them both on twitter... does that count?
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07:32 <Proquar> hey mekkis, are you running a game on sunday mornings?
07:55 <Mekkis> Not every Sunday Morning.
08:09 <Mekkis> I'm running a fortnightly campaign on Saturday afternoons...
09:55 <Proquar> hmmm
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10:08 <Proquar> why does it say PFS on sun morning?
10:27 <Mekkis> because I'm running PFS on Sunday morning
10:35 <Mekkis> but it isn't a guaranteed regular thing
10:47 <Proquar> ahhhh....
10:48 <Proquar> i see
10:49 <Mekkis> (then again, you don't need regular attendance for PFS)
10:58 <Mekkis> Proquar: http://images.smh.com.au/file/2010/07/23/1710367/Secret-Document.PDF?rand=1279847709475
11:26 <Proquar> are you the only one running campaigns then?
11:45 <Mekkis> Avatar's running PFS scenarios every week or so
11:47 <Mekkis> So is Steven 
12:25 <Proquar> ahhh
12:43 <Proquar> oh man, i've been mudding more than irc'ing lately... i keep going to write 'say' in front of stuff
12:53 <Mekkis> oh
12:55 <Mekkis> what muds?
13:44 <Proquar> "Multi User Dungeons"
13:51 * Proquar peers at Mekkis... 
13:57 * Proquar realizes she is very old
14:25 <Proquar> oh.. wait... not 'what is a mud'
14:29 <Mekkis> I know what a mud is
14:31 * Proquar blushes... it's getting a bit late
14:37 <Mekkis> I wanted to know which ones
14:39 <Proquar> Midian
14:50 <Mekkis> Iron Realms?
14:53 <Proquar> Midian III  would be more accurate
16:42 <Mekkis> ah
16:44 <Mekkis> 1990s
16:45 <Proquar> is iron realms still around?
16:49 <Mekkis> it is
16:50 <Proquar> originally...
16:56 <Proquar> do you hang there?
16:58 <Mekkis> have you played Empire?
17:03 <Mekkis> not anymore...
17:25 * Proquar shakes her head
18:14 <Proquar> there's a whole lot of redactin' going on
20:12 <Mekkis> I've been reading olduse.net a fair bit. Really interesting
20:24 <Mekkis> The Internet, real-time. 30 Years ago
20:58 <Proquar> you're talkin' my era
21:03 * Proquar daydreams
21:30 <Mekkis> you have thunderbird, right?
21:47 <Mekkis> add a newsserver of nntp.olduse.net
22:19 <Proquar> i don't have thunderbird
22:47 <Proquar> just firefox
24:25 <Mekkis> I think outhouse does usenet too
24:47 <Mekkis> either way, you CAN use an 80s era terminal on http://olduse.net to browse it
26:47 <Mekkis> but yeah, Proquar: you should create a PFS character
27:22 * Proquar agrees
30:52 <Mekkis> I miss Zuki :)
31:59 <Mekkis> Steven, are you sure
32:28 <Proquar> oh man, we all miss zuki
32:34 <Proquar> well... you and me, at any rate
32:49 <Proquar> that's close enough
35:03 * Proquar peers at Steven and Mekkis
41:47 * Proquar will try to visit again soon
41:56 <Proquar> great chatting with you, Mekkis!
41:58 * Proquar waves
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58:29 <Steven> yup this morning sucks so far...
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