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09:13 <Mekkis> hi
09:26 <LordMarshal> hiya
09:32 <Mekkis> Nice name, Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne 
11:47 <Ulzef> hi
15:12 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Thanks
15:21 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Is everyone asleep due to Aus time?
15:29 <Mekkis> more or less, yes.
15:40 <Mekkis> I'm not... yet
16:27 <Mekkis> you're in UK?
16:31 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Yep
16:39 <Mekkis> (or your system clock's on UTC)
16:55 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Perhaps I am sneaky and set my clock to other timezones
17:05 <Mekkis> how did you find this channel?
17:25 <LordMarshal> asl
17:32 <Mekkis> perhaps, but last I checked, virginmedia.com is in .uk :P
17:46 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Nuh uh
17:53 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> It's my proxy >.>
18:05 <Mekkis> fair enough
18:24 <Mekkis> you should get an rDNS for your proxy
18:32 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> I don't know what that means
18:39 <Mekkis> reverse DNS
18:50 <Mekkis> anyway, do you play D&D or Pathfinder?
18:55 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> This lie is confusing me
19:13 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> I have not played Pathfinder before, have played DnD
19:24 <Mekkis> what versions of D&D?
19:40 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> 2,3,3.5, looked at 4 but never played.
20:03 <Brunius-> Sigh
20:29 <Mekkis> Pathfinder's basically just an evolution of 3.5
21:17 <Mekkis> they rebalanced it, rewrote some bits, and generally kept supporting it after WotC killed it
22:01 <Ulzef> brunius: this happen often
22:45 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> How many hours from now are people awake?
23:17 <Mekkis> about six
23:48 <Mekkis> some americans and possible slovanians might be up before then
26:07 <Mekkis> do you currently play regularly?
26:35 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Nope, haven't played in a while
28:50 <Mekkis> fair enough...
29:19 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> I seem to recall it involves dice :D
34:39 <Mekkis> that's what diebot is for
34:48 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+3 initiative
34:49 <diebot> Mekkis, initiative: [1d20=4] 7
37:23 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> !throw hammer
40:41 <Mekkis> heh
41:14 <Mekkis> I do need to sleep nowish, but I'd like to keep talking tomorrow, if you're planning on lurking here...
42:17 <Eldrwyn_D`Auvergne> Goodnight
45:56 <Hydrazine> Not really though.
46:15 <Hydrazine> I think I've seen more "hi,I think I wanna play D&D" than "hey bby asl?"
12:14 <Avatar> hey bby asl ?
13:08 * Mekkis sets mode +b Avatar #d&d
13:30 <Avatar> wat y ?
13:54 <Mekkis> I don't like Asymmetric Subscriber lines
14:31 <Ulzef_home> darn romdoms ASLing
14:53 <Ulzef_home> randoms*
18:23 <Ulzef> stupid IRC keeps disappearing
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20:35 <Avatar> does it disappear into your system tray
20:56 <Ulzef> that would be were its going
25:40 <Ulzef> and now i have worked that out and found i had old messages mekkis the mod i was talking about yesterday was no plunder, no pay
27:03 <Mekkis> ok
27:07 <Mekkis> I haven't played that
27:35 <Ulzef> read the synaps and i am like wtf how i not seen this and i have to save it for Ulzef
33:09 <Ulzef> there are a copy of mods were i am like i am so happy i made this horrid cut throat, the rest are more about how people react to them.
33:18 <germs> gerrrrrmmmmmmssssss
33:27 <Avatar> run it ulzef
33:41 <Avatar> none of us have played that
33:54 <Ulzef> i havnt ether
34:07 <Avatar> what were you talking about about it
34:15 <Ulzef> i was looking at mods for gitch to run IRL and spotted it was like i need to play that
34:25 <Avatar> for your pirate, haha
34:39 <Ulzef> yeah
38:05 <Ulzef> i have done all but 1 mod in season 0 so i could prob run most of it but i would need to learn the online systems better before i became confident of running
38:41 <Avatar> there is nothing to know man
38:53 <Avatar> ok there is a bit
39:22 <Avatar> this is what you want to extract maps: http://download.cnet.com/Some-PDF-Images-Extract/3000-18497_4-10836441.html
39:44 <Avatar> after that there is two buttons you need to know in CA and that's it
39:48 <Mekkis> really?
39:56 <Mekkis> I generally just right click on it in acrobat
40:25 <Avatar> I'm using foxit, right-clicking does nothing
40:33 <Avatar> I don't think acrobat does anything different last I checked
41:35 <Avatar> any requests for scenarios on sunday?
41:47 <Avatar> or tier
42:17 <Ulzef> what time sunday?
43:56 <Avatar> whatever time you want
44:37 <Mekkis> Fury of the Fiend!
44:56 <Mekkis> Tier 10-11!
46:42 <Ulzef> i have to take off at 3ish every secound sunday because we have a realms game IRL
47:37 <Ulzef> but if we could do a 9-10 start i would be up for something
47:38 <Avatar> I haven't played fury of the fiend
47:46 <Avatar> pick a scenario I've played
47:52 <Avatar> spider, another no-show yesterday
48:01 <spider21b> sorry i slept in
48:02 <Avatar> for someone who is always asking for a game you don't show up to many
48:12 <spider21b> yea school does that to me
48:17 <spider21b> my appolgies
48:23 <Avatar> don't apologise to me
48:25 <Avatar> apologise to yourself
48:34 <spider21b> sigh i hear you
48:37 <Avatar> think of the xp
48:54 <spider21b> the xp!
49:38 <spider21b> xd
49:57 <spider21b> going to try to jump on next sunday's game
51:45 <Avatar> 9-10 starts are the most typical time to play
52:01 <spider21b> 9 am?
52:05 <Ulzef> thats awesome
52:06 <Avatar> yeah
52:16 <Avatar> someone else was after another time though
52:38 <Avatar> I don't like playing sunday afternoon games because work next day
52:48 <Avatar> I always prefer running on fridays or saturdays 
53:25 <Ulzef> there the better days for me as well
54:03 <Ulzef> sundays work for me though as long as i can jet in time for realms 
54:38 <Avatar> can never be 100% sure when it'll end
54:44 <Avatar> 5-6 hours is the estimate
54:48 <Avatar> long games will go for 8
55:27 <spider21b> yea and you guys being from au meaning i cant do a bunch
55:59 <Ulzef> 8 hours i could prob drag out anyway
00:18 <Ulzef> as long as its a rarity
01:15 <Ulzef> we are ment to be there at 3 but normally dont start until about 5 anyway
05:58 <Ulzef> Avatar: is there a way to check the mods you have done
08:57 <Ulzef> nvm
12:10 <Mekkis> Soneillon’s famous bitch-slap was made against a flat-footed Eadric and consisted of the equivalent of a surprise action trip attack followed by a full tendril attack routine to subdue. The attack was glossed (or ‘skinned,’ to use modern parlance) as a single slap.
12:10 <Mekkis> Eadric sustained 780 points of nonlethal damage and was knocked prone. 
13:34 <Ulzef> avatar: shadows last stand part 1 could be good
14:49 <Mekkis> you have an Andoran to pull rank on everyone?
15:08 <Mekkis> ooh
15:09 <Mekkis> part 1
15:12 <Mekkis> fun fun fun!
15:37 <Mekkis> tpk?
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36:29 <Steve_The_Magnificent> tpkd a group tonight
44:57 <Mekkis> how doe that make you magnificent?
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41:49 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg0i?Dealing-with-ill-aligned-characters-in
45:57 <Ballig> is that Sutehk
46:07 <Mekkis> the top poster is, yes
46:12 <Mekkis> the subject is Ulzef 
46:20 <Ballig> ha
46:32 <Ballig> I remember Sutekh mentioning it after the con
50:44 <Mekkis> hmmm
51:09 <Ballig> you got a mention too Mekkis!
51:12 <Mekkis> Tiefling + disguise self = "I'm playing a bearded devil in PFS"
51:52 * Steven2 is awake now.
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52:09 <Brunius> teehee
52:20 <Mekkis> actually, I think he got us mixed up. Deceased doesn't sell slaves, he just overtly summons devils.
52:24 <Mekkis> Very different
52:51 <Mekkis> but lots of people mistake Ulzef for a Chelaxian
52:52 <Brunius> Where did Mekkis get a mention
52:52 <Ballig> I don't think he was suggesting Deceased was the slaver
52:56 <Ballig> it was two separate people
53:11 <Ballig> when I spoke to him after the con, he talked about a slaver /and/ a diabolist
53:13 <Ballig> not a slaver diabolist
53:15 <Brunius> Oh, specifically mentions diabolist
53:25 <Mekkis> oh yes
53:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, how does Bairaq deal with travelling with a diabolist who's saved his life several times?
54:04 <Ballig> "la la la la la la la"
54:22 <Brunius> Sometimes for the good of the society, we must place our ideals in the crossfire
54:41 <Brunius> I'm beginning to wonder how so many GMs have allowed me to get away with such dubious actions
55:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, the paladin code isn't THAT strict
55:49 <Hydralaptop> The ten commandments are pretty loose too; and people can't even get those right.
55:55 <Mekkis> Brunius, you should post there
56:05 <Nekhet> hey people
56:06 <Mekkis> Hydralaptop, the paladin code is less strict than the ten commandments
56:07 <Brunius> I was considering it
56:10 <Mekkis> hey Nekhet 
56:18 <Nekhet> what's up?
56:19 <Brunius> Seems to have devolved into "SLAVERY IS BAD" "NO IT'S NOT"
56:26 <Hydralaptop> Doesn't make poking at it any less fun.
57:02 <Nekhet> are you guys seriously having the "slavery is inherently evil" debate? :D
57:14 <Nekhet> i've had that debate with so many groups
57:17 <Mekkis> no
57:17 <Hydralaptop> No. We're talking about it on the forums.
57:27 <Mekkis> we're talking about someone talking about that on the forums
57:28 <Hydralaptop> Or rather; we're talking about people talking about it.
57:29 <Brunius> The forums are talking about it
57:37 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg0i?Dealing-with-ill-aligned-characters-in
57:53 <Nekhet> alignment debates :D
58:27 <Nekhet> it's what happens when you try to stick all of morality into nine narrow categories
58:36 <Mekkis> not even that
58:47 <Hydralaptop> I don't really think thats the problem.
59:12 <Hydralaptop> I think its more about the difference between how alignment can be interperated compared to black and white game rules relating to its effect.
59:17 <Ballig> it's what happens when you try to apply contemporary cultural morality to other worlds and eras
00:30 <Nekhet> my view has always been that any sort of exploitation can not be good (but doesn't have to be evil), but slavery by itself is no worse than having a bunch of workers on minimum wage
00:49 <Nekhet> now if you treat your slaves in evil way, that's evil
01:25 <Nekhet> just like it's evil if you blackmail or deceive your workers
03:01 <Hydralaptop> I disagree. You can quit a job you don't like. Slavery doesn't really have that option, and I think the lack of options is a notable difference.
05:00 <Nekhet> I think it's all very situational.
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05:25 <Nekhet> Yeah, you can quit a job you don't like. But for many people, the alternative is starving to death.
05:44 <Mekkis> you're free to starve to death
05:53 <Ballig> it's just a discussion about moral relativism
06:01 <Nekhet> Doesn't make it so much of an option anymore, does it? Perhaps you're in debt, an age or profile where you could never get another job... A lot of people work jobs they really hate but can't afford to quit them.
06:04 <Ballig> there are plenty of ways to justify slavery
06:28 <Ballig> e.g. "I'm giving my slaves a decent life, food, shelter - in exchange they work for me and don't have to live in their impoverished country"
06:35 <Nekhet> I don't advocate slavery at all. I'm just saying it's no more evil (inherently) than a capitalist relationship between worker and business owner.
06:48 <Nekhet> At least the slave owner invested in their slaves and is motivated to keep them alive and healthy.
07:01 <Nekhet> A business owner doesn't care, he can work you to uselessness and replace you
07:54 <Nekhet> In many way a slave holds a greater deal of social security than a wage worker
28:56 <Avatar> zzz
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39:05 <Steven> I want to do one more game before tonight
39:16 <Steven> so i can get my third star tonight
39:45 <Avatar> let's play first steps 
39:53 <Steven> which one?
39:55 <Steven> and who would play?
39:59 <Avatar> first steps 2
40:05 <Avatar> we go inside, kill all the things
40:07 <Avatar> we're done !
40:19 <Steven> you just described the actual mission.....
40:25 <Avatar> yeah so we're done now right
40:26 <Avatar> gg
40:29 <Steven> no....
40:40 <Avatar> I don't understand ?
40:42 <Steven> it doesnt work like that... you actually have to roll dice
40:48 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
40:48 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=2] 2
40:52 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
40:52 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=7] 7
40:53 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
40:54 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=6] 6
40:55 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
40:55 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=10] 10
40:57 <Avatar> wow
40:59 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
41:00 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
41:01 <Steven> you have missed the goul for 4 rounds now
41:02 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
41:03 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=5] 5
41:04 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
41:04 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=2] 2
41:08 <Steven> 5... 6. .. 7
41:09 <Avatar> ok I died
41:20 <Steven> guess you gonna have to bring in another character
41:31 <Avatar> those are like golemworks rolls
41:40 <Steven> fo sho
42:09 <Steven> some one just told me honey wasnt a good healer...
42:20 <Steven> and i was like well what is your idea of a good healer
42:41 <Avatar> someone who rolls high
42:56 <Steven> and they told me vitalist is better... and im like yeah psionics aren't legal
43:07 <Avatar> haha
43:25 <Steven> !throw 20d6
43:25 <diebot> Steven, 20d6: [20d6=1,2,4,4,6,4,3,6,4,6,2,4,5,4,1,3,1,5,5,1] 71
43:35 <Steven> 71 points of damage healed in one round
43:40 <Steven> seems pretty decent to me.
44:07 <Steven> also... she flies...
45:52 <Steven> and can see living things as if she had blind sight within 30 feet
50:46 <Steven> avatar, if you find 2-3 other people who want to do a speed run of first steps... that arent playing it for their first time, i will run you a speed game of a first steps of your choosing.
51:26 <Ballig> he's kidding
51:29 <Ballig> he has to go to work in an hour
59:09 <Avatar> we can play it in 20 minutes
00:07 <Avatar> we can probably shave a further 5 minutes off that if we pre-roll
00:09 <Ballig> even if you ignored everything between the combats it would take more than 20 minutes
05:36 <Steven> first steps 2 might take 40 minutes we ignore the middle of combat stuff
06:11 <Steven> blah... ignore the middle, focus on combat stuff
08:45 <Steven> basically goes, fight ghoul, Fight Amoeba, summon earth elemental, fight glowy eye thing by sending earth elemental at it
09:12 <Steven> then fight kobolds and skulk
09:23 <Steven> grab katana, game over.
09:46 <Steven> well grab katana and trade agreements, game over
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23:39 <spider21b> yawn
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09:03 <Ulzef_away> afternoon all
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11:47 <Mekkis> morning
12:11 <Ulzef> still in queensland then i take it?
12:15 <Mekkis> yeah
12:28 <Mekkis> we had a brit come in last night
13:04 <Ulzef> yeah read thru stuff since i went to bed
13:26 <Mekkis> nice name :P
13:40 <Ulzef> you know of any items to get tremorsense?
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14:23 <Mekkis> !search tremorsense
14:26 <diebot> Mekkis, Totem of Angazhan,Totem Of Angazhan,Tremor Boots,Hand Of Stone
14:30 <Mekkis> those ones
14:38 <Mekkis> !item Tremor Boots
14:41 <diebot> Mekkis, TREMOR BOOTS [faint divination] CL:5 feet 10000gp, 1lb
14:41 <diebot> These brown leather boots have a reinforced toe of steel with grooves along the soles, crafted to help the wearer pick up vibrations from the surrounding environment. These boots grant the wearer tremorsense 20 feet as long as he is standing on solid ground. Source: Ultimate Equipment
14:57 <Mekkis> !item Hand Of Stone
14:58 <diebot> Mekkis, HAND OF STONE [moderate divination] CL:7 neck 27000gp, 2lb
14:58 <diebot> This mummified dwarf hand hangs on a steel chain around a character's neck, bringing the wearer more in tune with the earth beneath her feet. If the wearer spends a standard action concentrating on the hand, she gains tremorsense out to a range of 30 feet until the start of her next turn. This ability only allows her to sense creatures and objects
14:58 <diebot> that are in contact with earth or stone. Source: Ultimate Equipment
15:10 <Ulzef> tremor boots require you to be standing on solid ground so i could see gm's arguing if i use it while earth gliding
15:14 <Mekkis> boots are better
15:36 <Mekkis> !item Totem Of Angazhan
15:37 <diebot> Mekkis, TOTEM OF ANGAZHAN [strong necromancy and transmutation] CL:20 none 0gp, 150lb
15:38 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/totem_of_angazhan.html
15:54 <Ulzef> the hand takes a standard
15:54 <Mekkis> yeah, that's an artefact. Ignore it
16:06 <Ulzef> and totem is a arifact
16:17 <Mekkis> !item blindsight
16:18 <diebot> Mekkis, VOIDSTICK [faint necromancy [evil]] CL:5 special 2500gp, 1lb
16:18 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/voidstick.html
16:22 <Mekkis> !search blindsight
16:23 <diebot> Mekkis, Circlet Of Mindsight,Swordmaster's Blindfold
16:35 <Mekkis> !item Circlet Of Mindsight
16:37 <diebot> Mekkis, CIRCLET OF MINDSIGHT [moderate divination] CL:9 head 22000gp, 0lb
16:37 <diebot> This elaborate circlet of gold-and-platinum filigree bears tiny gems in settings that look disturbingly like human eyes. When worn, the circlet lets the wearer sense the presence of other thinking creatures in her immediate area. The wearer gains the benefits of blindsense 30 feet, but only against creatures with an Intelligence score that are
16:37 <diebot> susceptible to mind-affecting effects. Undead, constructs, and mindless creatures like most oozes and vermin cannot be perceived when using the circlet, nor can creatures under the effects of mind blank or a ring of mind shielding. The circlet does not interfere with the wearer's ability to see normally. If the wearer has blindsense or blindsight,
16:38 <diebot> he is able to differentiate creatures detected with those senses from creatures detected with the circlet of mindsight. Source: Ultimate Equipment
16:56 <Mekkis> what about that?
18:50 <Ulzef> blind sense works through walls and the ground?
19:03 <Mekkis> ummm... that's a question.
19:14 <Ulzef> its for a spring attacking druid who spends most of his time as a earth elemental
19:51 <Ulzef> spring out of the ground hit them go back under
20:04 <Ulzef> but you need to be able to see them to spring attack
21:13 <Mekkis> blindsense only gives you a location
21:17 <Mekkis> is that a problem
21:31 <Ulzef> dont think so depends on the gm i guess
21:34 <Mekkis> !item Swordmaster's Blindfold
21:35 <diebot> Mekkis, SWORDMASTER'S BLINDFOLD [moderate transmutation] CL:9 eyes 80000gp, 0lb
21:36 <diebot> This black band of silk grants its wearer spectacular senses within a limited range. Some believe these items were made to grant lesser swordmasters the illusion of skill. When the wearer places the blindfold over her eyes, she becomes blinded, but gains blindsight (Bestiary 298) within the reach of her melee weapon, or 5 feet if the wearer is not
21:36 <diebot> wielding a melee weapon. Furthermore, the wearer is under the effect of a constant locate weakness (Ultimate Combat 236) spell, but only when making melee attacks. Source: Ultimate Equipment
21:46 <Ulzef> he exits the ground before attacking then goes back under
21:54 <Mekkis> !spell Locate Weakness
21:55 <diebot> Mekkis, LOCATE WEAKNESS divination ([]) inquisitor 3, magus 3, ranger 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M/DF (a pickled predator's eye) Duration: 1 minute/level Save:  SR:
21:55 <diebot> You can sense your foes' weak points, granting you greater damage with critical hits. Whenever you score a critical hit, roll the attack's damage dice (but not extra or precision damage dice) twice and take the highest result.
22:08 <Mekkis> what a crappy spell
23:03 <Ulzef> yeah
23:10 <Ulzef> for its lvl its jank
23:31 <Mekkis> x-ray vision doesn't work?
23:50 <Ulzef> it only does 1 foot of stone
24:03 <Mekkis> hmmm
26:09 <Ulzef> nvm sorted i just need to take cave domain
26:40 <Mekkis> not using rideby attack?
27:34 <Mekkis> how does cave domain help?
29:03 <Ulzef> cave domain gives you tremor 30ft at lvl 6
29:27 <Ulzef> and nope its about turning into a earth ele and spring attacking from under ground then going back under
30:28 <Mekkis> according to the APG it doesn't appear to...
34:17 <Ulzef> thats the caves there should be a druid cave one in magic i think
35:23 <Mekkis> that's nice of Paizo
35:31 <Ulzef> page 33 in UM
35:41 <Mekkis> the difference between cave domain and caves domail
36:22 <Mekkis> I didn't see those
36:37 <Mekkis> looks like I'll consider doing that to my next druid
39:16 <Mekkis> unless there's an oracle archetype that uses the druid list
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53:16 <Mekkis> oh no
53:21 <Mekkis> Steve_The_Magnificent, don't dump cha
59:43 <Ulzef> why would you not dump cha
14:17 <Mekkis> because it comes up from time to time
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39:47 <Ulzef> of all the stats though its the least likly 
40:04 <Ulzef> and when it does you can normally fight it with skills
43:15 <Ulzef> i mean Ulzef has 7 cha but has decent social skills because i invested in them
43:45 <Ulzef> then again 16 int mostly rogue humans have alot of skill points
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03:02 <Ulzef> mekkis: you around?
03:12 <Mekkis> almost
03:52 <Ulzef> just wondering how long you would get left before execution in WotW
04:11 <Mekkis> two days.
05:33 <Ulzef> kk np i was gonna play that lintor had been left there for awhile something about elf's living longer than humans
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16:34 <Ulzef> thats and the fact he prob looks kinda dead
23:42 <Mekkis> ooh.. are you taking age catagories?
23:56 <Ulzef> nah
24:19 <Ulzef> 6 con and bone oracle kinda = looking dead
24:50 <Ulzef> was gonna play him a little nuts as well cause he has been in there a decade or 2
25:06 <Mekkis> €>
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08:53 <LordMarshal> hiya
11:14 <Ulzef> hi
16:52 <LordMarshal> asl
19:30 <Brunius-> Sigh
21:29 <Ulzef> brunius: this happen often
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45:23 <Hydrazine> Not really though.
45:43 <Hydrazine> I think I've seen more "hi,I think I wanna play D&D" than "hey bby asl?"
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11:42 <Avatar> hey bby asl ?
12:35 Mekkis sets mode +b Avatar #d&d
12:57 <Avatar> wat y ?
13:21 <Mekkis> I don't like Asymmetric Subscriber lines
13:58 <Ulzef_home> darn romdoms ASLing
14:20 <Ulzef_home> randoms*
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17:50 <Ulzef> stupid IRC keeps disappearing
20:02 <Avatar> does it disappear into your system tray
20:23 <Ulzef> that would be were its going
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25:07 <Ulzef> and now i have worked that out and found i had old messages mekkis the mod i was talking about yesterday was no plunder, no pay
26:30 <Mekkis> ok
26:33 <Mekkis> I haven't played that
27:02 <Ulzef> read the synaps and i am like wtf how i not seen this and i have to save it for Ulzef
32:37 <Ulzef> there are a copy of mods were i am like i am so happy i made this horrid cut throat, the rest are more about how people react to them.
32:45 <germs> gerrrrrmmmmmmssssss
32:54 <Avatar> run it ulzef
33:08 <Avatar> none of us have played that
33:21 <Ulzef> i havnt ether
33:34 <Avatar> what were you talking about about it
33:43 <Ulzef> i was looking at mods for gitch to run IRL and spotted it was like i need to play that
33:53 <Avatar> for your pirate, haha
34:07 <Ulzef> yeah
37:32 <Ulzef> i have done all but 1 mod in season 0 so i could prob run most of it but i would need to learn the online systems better before i became confident of running
38:08 <Avatar> there is nothing to know man
38:21 <Avatar> ok there is a bit
38:49 <Avatar> this is what you want to extract maps: http://download.cnet.com/Some-PDF-Images-Extract/3000-18497_4-10836441.html
39:12 <Avatar> after that there is two buttons you need to know in CA and that's it
39:15 <Mekkis> really?
39:23 <Mekkis> I generally just right click on it in acrobat
39:52 <Avatar> I'm using foxit, right-clicking does nothing
40:00 <Avatar> I don't think acrobat does anything different last I checked
41:03 <Avatar> any requests for scenarios on sunday?
41:15 <Avatar> or tier
41:44 <Ulzef> what time sunday?
43:23 <Avatar> whatever time you want
44:04 <Mekkis> Fury of the Fiend!
44:23 <Mekkis> Tier 10-11!
46:10 <Ulzef> i have to take off at 3ish every secound sunday because we have a realms game IRL
47:04 <Ulzef> but if we could do a 9-10 start i would be up for something
47:05 <Avatar> I haven't played fury of the fiend
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47:13 <Avatar> pick a scenario I've played
47:19 <Avatar> spider, another no-show yesterday
47:28 <spider21b> sorry i slept in
47:30 <Avatar> for someone who is always asking for a game you don't show up to many
47:39 <spider21b> yea school does that to me
47:44 <spider21b> my appolgies
47:50 <Avatar> don't apologise to me
47:53 <Avatar> apologise to yourself
48:01 <spider21b> sigh i hear you
48:04 <Avatar> think of the xp
48:21 <spider21b> the xp!
49:05 <spider21b> xd
49:24 <spider21b> going to try to jump on next sunday's game
51:13 <Avatar> 9-10 starts are the most typical time to play
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51:28 <spider21b> 9 am?
51:32 <Ulzef> thats awesome
51:33 <Avatar> yeah
51:43 <Avatar> someone else was after another time though
52:05 <Avatar> I don't like playing sunday afternoon games because work next day
52:15 <Avatar> I always prefer running on fridays or saturdays 
52:52 <Ulzef> there the better days for me as well
53:30 <Ulzef> sundays work for me though as long as i can jet in time for realms 
54:05 <Avatar> can never be 100% sure when it'll end
54:11 <Avatar> 5-6 hours is the estimate
54:16 <Avatar> long games will go for 8
54:54 <spider21b> yea and you guys being from au meaning i cant do a bunch
55:26 <Ulzef> 8 hours i could prob drag out anyway
59:45 <Ulzef> as long as its a rarity
00:42 <Ulzef> we are ment to be there at 3 but normally dont start until about 5 anyway
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05:25 <Ulzef> Avatar: is there a way to check the mods you have done
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08:25 <Ulzef> nvm
11:37 <Mekkis> Soneillon’s famous bitch-slap was made against a flat-footed Eadric and consisted of the equivalent of a surprise action trip attack followed by a full tendril attack routine to subdue. The attack was glossed (or ‘skinned,’ to use modern parlance) as a single slap.
11:37 <Mekkis> Eadric sustained 780 points of nonlethal damage and was knocked prone. 
13:01 <Ulzef> avatar: shadows last stand part 1 could be good
14:16 <Mekkis> you have an Andoran to pull rank on everyone?
14:35 <Mekkis> ooh
14:36 <Mekkis> part 1
14:38 <Mekkis> fun fun fun!
15:04 <Mekkis> tpk?
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35:57 <Steve_The_Magnificent> tpkd a group tonight
44:24 <Mekkis> how doe that make you magnificent?
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41:16 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg0i?Dealing-with-ill-aligned-characters-in
45:24 <Ballig> is that Sutehk
45:34 <Mekkis> the top poster is, yes
45:39 <Mekkis> the subject is Ulzef 
45:47 <Ballig> ha
45:59 <Ballig> I remember Sutekh mentioning it after the con
50:11 <Mekkis> hmmm
50:37 <Ballig> you got a mention too Mekkis!
50:39 <Mekkis> Tiefling + disguise self = "I'm playing a bearded devil in PFS"
51:36 <Brunius> teehee
51:47 <Mekkis> actually, I think he got us mixed up. Deceased doesn't sell slaves, he just overtly summons devils.
51:51 <Mekkis> Very different
52:18 <Mekkis> but lots of people mistake Ulzef for a Chelaxian
52:19 <Brunius> Where did Mekkis get a mention
52:20 <Ballig> I don't think he was suggesting Deceased was the slaver
52:23 <Ballig> it was two separate people
52:38 <Ballig> when I spoke to him after the con, he talked about a slaver /and/ a diabolist
52:40 <Ballig> not a slaver diabolist
52:42 <Brunius> Oh, specifically mentions diabolist
52:52 <Mekkis> oh yes
53:14 <Mekkis> Brunius, how does Bairaq deal with travelling with a diabolist who's saved his life several times?
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54:48 <Mekkis> Brunius, the paladin code isn't THAT strict
55:16 <Hydralaptop> The ten commandments are pretty loose too; and people can't even get those right.
55:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, you should post there
55:32 <Mekkis> Hydralaptop, the paladin code is less strict than the ten commandments
55:33 <Nekhet> hey people
55:34 <Brunius> I was considering it
55:37 <Mekkis> hey Nekhet 
55:45 <Nekhet> what's up?
55:46 <Brunius> Seems to have devolved into "SLAVERY IS BAD" "NO IT'S NOT"
55:53 <Hydralaptop> Doesn't make poking at it any less fun.
56:30 <Nekhet> are you guys seriously having the "slavery is inherently evil" debate? :D
56:41 <Nekhet> i've had that debate with so many groups
56:43 <Mekkis> no
56:44 <Hydralaptop> No. We're talking about it on the forums.
56:54 <Mekkis> we're talking about someone talking about that on the forums
56:55 <Hydralaptop> Or rather; we're talking about people talking about it.
56:57 <Brunius> The forums are talking about it
57:04 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg0i?Dealing-with-ill-aligned-characters-in
57:20 <Nekhet> alignment debates :D
57:54 <Nekhet> it's what happens when you try to stick all of morality into nine narrow categories
58:03 <Mekkis> not even that
58:14 <Hydralaptop> I don't really think thats the problem.
58:39 <Hydralaptop> I think its more about the difference between how alignment can be interperated compared to black and white game rules relating to its effect.
58:44 <Ballig> it's what happens when you try to apply contemporary cultural morality to other worlds and eras
59:58 <Nekhet> my view has always been that any sort of exploitation can not be good (but doesn't have to be evil), but slavery by itself is no worse than having a bunch of workers on minimum wage
00:16 <Nekhet> now if you treat your slaves in evil way, that's evil
00:52 <Nekhet> just like it's evil if you blackmail or deceive your workers
02:28 <Hydralaptop> I disagree. You can quit a job you don't like. Slavery doesn't really have that option, and I think the lack of options is a notable difference.
04:27 <Nekhet> I think it's all very situational.
04:52 <Nekhet> Yeah, you can quit a job you don't like. But for many people, the alternative is starving to death.
05:11 <Mekkis> you're free to starve to death
05:20 <Ballig> it's just a discussion about moral relativism
05:28 <Nekhet> Doesn't make it so much of an option anymore, does it? Perhaps you're in debt, an age or profile where you could never get another job... A lot of people work jobs they really hate but can't afford to quit them.
05:31 <Ballig> there are plenty of ways to justify slavery
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06:59 <Ballig> e.g. "I'm giving my slaves a decent life, food, shelter - in exchange they work for me and don't have to live in their impoverished country"
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06:59 <Nekhet> I don't advocate slavery at all. I'm just saying it's no more evil (inherently) than a capitalist relationship between worker and business owner.
06:59 <Nekhet> At least the slave owner invested in their slaves and is motivated to keep them alive and healthy.
06:59 <Nekhet> A business owner doesn't care, he can work you to uselessness and replace you
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08:15 <Nekhet> Also, we are usually mostly seeing the brutal side of slavery in media - galley rowers, whipped plantation workers, miners on a chain gang, etc. A lot of slaves historically lived very comfortable lives.
08:23 <Diazane> The difference is consent. Saying slavery and an employment contract is the same is like saying consentual sex and rape are the same.
08:29 <Nekhet> And i'm sure the same is the case in say, Cheliax
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08:44 <Mekkis> put it this way, generally in a PFS scenario, the options are slavery or execution
08:53 <Nekhet> Consent is not worth much when it's made under so much pressure it's not even consent anymore
09:09 <Mekkis> not "slavery or working for a living"
09:32 <Nekhet> if you're using sex as an analogy, i'd compare it as blackmail/coercion rape vs. physically forced rape :D
09:49 <Nekhet> neither is really better than the other
09:58 <Mekkis> we kill a lot fewer people with Ulzef around :)
10:03 <Nekhet> And there's that
10:45 <Nekhet> You can hardly say that, in most cases, death is preferable to slavery. What i'd do if i wanted to act as good as possible is let the person in question make the choice
11:20 <Mekkis> not "Crate them up"?
11:58 <Nekhet> I think we as a modern society have this really strong pretense up that what we do now is so very much better than slavery, and that having transcended it is some kind of cultural accomplishment. Which to an extent it is, but considering human explaitation, we haven't really moved anywhere.
12:44 <Nekhet> *exploitation
12:48 <Mekkis> yeah
13:01 <Mekkis> we had a brit come in last night
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13:37 <Ulzef> yeah read thru stuff since i went to bed
13:45 <Nekhet> The real reason why slavery was abolished all over the world wasn't because everyone in the world suddenly had an enlightenment. It's because capitalism is more profitable for the business owners than slavery. 
13:54 <Ballig> oh my gods listening to politicians is so annoying
14:00 <Mekkis> nice name :P
14:08 <Mekkis> Ballig, does your job involve that?
14:12 <Ulzef> you know of any items to get tremorsense?
14:16 <Ballig> today it does
14:18 <Nekhet> Slaves are way too high investment and high maintenance
14:27 <Ballig> I'm listening to senate estimates
14:33 <Ballig> they can be incredibly childish
14:47 <Mekkis> that must be interesting the first time you do it.
14:56 <Mekkis> !search tremorsense
14:59 <diebot> Mekkis, Totem of Angazhan,Totem Of Angazhan,Tremor Boots,Hand Of Stone
15:03 <Mekkis> those ones
15:12 <Mekkis> !item Tremor Boots
15:13 <diebot> Mekkis, TREMOR BOOTS [faint divination] CL:5 feet 10000gp, 1lb
15:13 <diebot> These brown leather boots have a reinforced toe of steel with grooves along the soles, crafted to help the wearer pick up vibrations from the surrounding environment. These boots grant the wearer tremorsense 20 feet as long as he is standing on solid ground. Source: Ultimate Equipment
15:30 <Mekkis> !item Hand Of Stone
15:30 <diebot> Mekkis, HAND OF STONE [moderate divination] CL:7 neck 27000gp, 2lb
15:31 <diebot> This mummified dwarf hand hangs on a steel chain around a character's neck, bringing the wearer more in tune with the earth beneath her feet. If the wearer spends a standard action concentrating on the hand, she gains tremorsense out to a range of 30 feet until the start of her next turn. This ability only allows her to sense creatures and objects
15:31 <diebot> that are in contact with earth or stone. Source: Ultimate Equipment
15:33 <Ballig> it makes you wonder how these people get elected
15:43 <Ulzef> tremor boots require you to be standing on solid ground so i could see gm's arguing if i use it while earth gliding
15:47 <Mekkis> boots are better
16:09 <Mekkis> !item Totem Of Angazhan
16:10 <diebot> Mekkis, TOTEM OF ANGAZHAN [strong necromancy and transmutation] CL:20 none 0gp, 150lb
16:11 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/totem_of_angazhan.html
16:19 <Mekkis> simple. They become a member of a party.
16:27 <Ulzef> the hand takes a standard
16:27 <Mekkis> yeah, that's an artefact. Ignore it
16:38 <Mekkis> I received this interesting PM on freenode:
16:39 <Ulzef> and totem is a arifact
16:50 <Mekkis> !item blindsight
16:51 <diebot> Mekkis, VOIDSTICK [faint necromancy [evil]] CL:5 special 2500gp, 1lb
16:51 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/voidstick.html
16:52 <Mekkis> <NIuQCmO2756668> Hello. Im ferus. im poor i dont have many skills at programming but please can you give me a job as a programmer? this is my repository https://github.com/Ferus please dont steal my codes i have sticked a license on them. i hope you notice my bright skills. thx mate.
16:55 <Mekkis> !search blindsight
16:56 <diebot> Mekkis, Circlet Of Mindsight,Swordmaster's Blindfold
17:09 <Mekkis> !item Circlet Of Mindsight
17:09 <diebot> Mekkis, CIRCLET OF MINDSIGHT [moderate divination] CL:9 head 22000gp, 0lb
17:10 <diebot> This elaborate circlet of gold-and-platinum filigree bears tiny gems in settings that look disturbingly like human eyes. When worn, the circlet lets the wearer sense the presence of other thinking creatures in her immediate area. The wearer gains the benefits of blindsense 30 feet, but only against creatures with an Intelligence score that are
17:10 <diebot> susceptible to mind-affecting effects. Undead, constructs, and mindless creatures like most oozes and vermin cannot be perceived when using the circlet, nor can creatures under the effects of mind blank or a ring of mind shielding. The circlet does not interfere with the wearer's ability to see normally. If the wearer has blindsense or blindsight,
17:10 <diebot> he is able to differentiate creatures detected with those senses from creatures detected with the circlet of mindsight. Source: Ultimate Equipment
17:25 <Brunius>  "Sure! Just give me all your credit card details first"
17:29 <Mekkis> what about that?
17:38 <Nekhet> he's poor :D
17:45 <Nekhet> there's probably just debts there
17:47 <Ballig> he doesn't have many skills, but he wants you to notice his bright skills
18:06 <Diazane> Hes good at exactly two things?
18:21 <Mekkis> on the plus side, he's logged on through IPv6...
18:36 <Ballig> well then, you should ensure he gets a job
18:39 <Ballig> he's clearly a master programmer
18:49 <Brunius> clearly
19:23 <Ulzef> blind sense works through walls and the ground?
19:27 <Mekkis> on the downside, he's using a dell
19:36 <Mekkis> ummm... that's a question.
19:43 <Mekkis> ~UphJoi@2001:250:4400:4000:d6ae:52ff:fe98:f9ec
19:47 <Ulzef> its for a spring attacking druid who spends most of his time as a earth elemental
20:11 <Mekkis> "Sorry, I don't employ people who use dells"
20:24 <Ulzef> spring out of the ground hit them go back under
20:28 <Ballig> he already said he's poor
20:30 <Ballig> how heartless
20:37 <Ulzef> but you need to be able to see them to spring attack
21:46 <Mekkis> blindsense only gives you a location
21:50 <Mekkis> is that a problem
22:04 <Ulzef> dont think so depends on the gm i guess
22:07 <Mekkis> !item Swordmaster's Blindfold
22:08 <diebot> Mekkis, SWORDMASTER'S BLINDFOLD [moderate transmutation] CL:9 eyes 80000gp, 0lb
22:08 <diebot> This black band of silk grants its wearer spectacular senses within a limited range. Some believe these items were made to grant lesser swordmasters the illusion of skill. When the wearer places the blindfold over her eyes, she becomes blinded, but gains blindsight (Bestiary 298) within the reach of her melee weapon, or 5 feet if the wearer is not
22:08 <diebot> wielding a melee weapon. Furthermore, the wearer is under the effect of a constant locate weakness (Ultimate Combat 236) spell, but only when making melee attacks. Source: Ultimate Equipment
22:19 <Ulzef> he exits the ground before attacking then goes back under
22:27 <Mekkis> !spell Locate Weakness
22:28 <diebot> Mekkis, LOCATE WEAKNESS divination ([]) inquisitor 3, magus 3, ranger 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M/DF (a pickled predator's eye) Duration: 1 minute/level Save:  SR:
22:28 <diebot> You can sense your foes' weak points, granting you greater damage with critical hits. Whenever you score a critical hit, roll the attack's damage dice (but not extra or precision damage dice) twice and take the highest result.
22:32 <Mekkis> what else can I find out about him...
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22:41 <Mekkis> what a crappy spell
23:05 <Mekkis> he's from China
23:30 <Mekkis> specifically, Central South University Changsha, Hunan 410083, China
23:36 <Ulzef> yeah
23:42 <Ulzef> for its lvl its jank
24:04 <Mekkis> x-ray vision doesn't work?
24:23 <Ulzef> it only does 1 foot of stone
24:36 <Mekkis> hmmm
26:42 <Ulzef> nvm sorted i just need to take cave domain
27:13 <Mekkis> not using rideby attack?
28:07 <Mekkis> how does cave domain help?
29:32 <Ballig> outsource your job to him
29:36 <Ulzef> cave domain gives you tremor 30ft at lvl 6
29:44 <Mekkis> you should, Ballig 
29:56 <Mekkis> get him to listen in on senate estimates
30:00 <Ulzef> and nope its about turning into a earth ele and spring attacking from under ground then going back under
31:02 <Mekkis> according to the APG it doesn't appear to...
32:04 <Ballig> they didn't ask my question, what a waste of my time
32:52 <Mekkis> what was your question?
33:22 <Ballig> relating to an injured worker at the lodge
33:34 <Mekkis> hypothetical?
33:38 <Ballig> no
33:44 <Mekkis> oh?
33:50 <Ballig> you never know what actual questions they will ask, just that they are likely to ask questions about a specific topic
34:12 <Ballig> so you then spend a week writing all possible answers so that someone who actually has no idea about the topic (but gets paid 4x what you do) can answer those questions
34:23 <Mekkis> ah
34:37 <Mekkis> how often do they actually say what you write?
34:50 <Ulzef> thats the caves there should be a druid cave one in magic i think
35:02 <Ballig> they use it as a guideline, but if a curveball is asked they have to take the question on notice
35:31 <Mekkis> so most of the time
35:53 <Mekkis> except when someone writes "Goddamn it guys, can't you grow up!"
35:56 <Mekkis> that's nice of Paizo
36:00 <Ballig> it's all very political
36:04 <Ulzef> page 33 in UM
36:14 <Mekkis> the difference between cave domain and caves domail
36:19 <Ballig> it's basically a chance for the opposition to try and make the public service look bad, because they think by extension it makes the government look bad
36:43 <Ballig> even though the public service remains static between governments and if they win at the election the same service will be given to them
36:44 <Mekkis> they're really doing US-style tactics aren't they
36:55 <Mekkis> I didn't see those
37:10 <Mekkis> looks like I'll consider doing that to my next druid
38:17 <Ballig> it's not quite as overt as US-style tactics, but it's close enough
38:43 <Mekkis> I suppose filibuster doesn't really work in Australian parliament, thank god
38:48 <Ballig> they spent the first 1 1/2 hours of senate estimates trying to get someone at my department to admit that the prime minister called the election in breach of the caretaker guidelines
39:46 <Ballig> a further half an hour was taken up by a senator being upset that a specific freedom of information request (likely filed by him personally) was two days overdue
39:50 <Mekkis> unless there's an oracle archetype that uses the druid list
40:08 <Mekkis> then a 90 minute break for lunch?
40:14 <Ballig> and making the biggest deal of it, like it's some kind of conspiracy against him and surely it's not just that shit happens and sometimes things aren't done in time
40:26 <Ballig> this was after lunch, but they did have 1 1/4 hours for dinner
40:39 <Mekkis> then they came back? I'm impressed
41:04 <Ballig> they take 15 minute breaks semi-regularly, and at least an hour for lunch and dinner
41:06 <Ballig> but they go until 11pm
41:22 <Mekkis> well... that's more... hours than the courts
41:29 <Mekkis> they take their 90 minute lunch break
41:36 <Mekkis> but they start at 9:30 and end at 4:30
41:46 <Ballig> and when I worked there I was only allowed to use 45 minutes of that break for actual lunch :'(
43:18 <Mekkis> for some reason, the Federal Courts are emailling me with federal court listings daily
43:25 <Mekkis> what did I do to deserve that/
43:50 <Ballig> maybe you're being called for jury duty
44:11 <Mekkis> on the federal civil court?
44:38 <Ballig> juries are uncommon but not unheard of in civil court
44:49 <Ballig> they are incredibly boring though
44:55 <Mekkis> I can believe that
45:24 <Ballig> I think from memory they only need like 9 jurors (or maybe it's just that they can have as few as 9, if necessary)
45:30 <Ballig> and it's just a majority decision instead of unanimous
45:41 <Ballig> but it's usually about something financial-related
51:06 <Mekkis> I was watching a case a few years ago
53:49 <Mekkis> oh no
53:54 <Mekkis> Steve_The_Magnificent, don't dump cha
56:44 <Mekkis> nice, airconditioned place where I could relax and apply for jobs
00:16 <Ulzef> why would you not dump cha
07:11 <Mekkis> Does anyone here have a Harrow Deck?
08:45 <Avatar> Ballig: you should become a politician
08:57 <Mekkis> I'd vote for you!
09:21 <Mekkis> Ballig, Minister for Education, pushing a "PFS in schools" program :P
09:44 <Avatar> that's what I'm talkin' about
09:57 <Mekkis> hmmm
10:23 <Mekkis> OK, there's a prestige award available to the Silver Crusade of "Familiar Weapons"
10:44 <Mekkis>   Familiar Weapons (5 PP) You gain Exotic Weapon Prof iciency as a bonus feat with one of the following weapons: kama, nunchaku, sai, shuriken, siangham, or spiked chain. At the GM’s discretion, similar exotic weapons from other sources can be added to this list.
10:53 <Mekkis> emphasis on the last sentence
12:26 <Avatar> that wouldn't apply in society, surely
12:33 <Mekkis> it's in the Field Guide
12:42 <Avatar> yeah it's odd for the field guide
12:45 <Avatar> but who would let you do it
12:58 <Avatar> would you
12:58 <Mekkis> I would, if you gave me enough money :P
13:02 <Mekkis> wouldn't you?
13:06 <Avatar> no way
13:29 <Avatar> you would have to argue it through every game
14:34 <Mekkis> Henry knows Druidic....
14:49 <Avatar> didn't he learn that legitimately
14:50 <Mekkis> because it comes up from time to time
14:53 <Avatar> I can't remember what he did
14:54 <Mekkis> he did
15:00 <Mekkis> he convinced an ex-druid to teach him
15:30 <Avatar> there's no good rules about druidic anywhere except that it's secret
15:42 <Avatar> you would think that once it got in the hands of henry it's not going to be secret much longer
15:51 <Mekkis> and that a druid teaching it loses his druidic powers
16:09 <Avatar> does atonement fix it
16:16 <Mekkis> not if it's deliberate
16:20 <Avatar> is he required to kill the guy
16:36 <Avatar> maybe henry has a bounty on him now, who knows
16:38 <Mekkis> there is a scenario with a bunch of ex-druids
17:05 <Avatar> I would think every druid who meets him who finds out he understands druidic is honour-bound to kill him
17:29 <Mekkis> so... someone from Capital Chemist Dickson didn't give me the right drugs
20:19 <Mekkis> I'm thinking Grolschmir might get an herald
33:39 <Avatar> I think those commoners are more trouble than they're worth
33:54 <Avatar> a herald sounds like a great idea in theory
34:00 <Avatar> until he just annoys everyone at every table you ever play at
34:23 <Mekkis> I can't remember the last time Grolschmir's been in a dungeon
34:41 <Avatar> I can't remember the last time Grolschmir's been in Golarion
34:59 <Mekkis> Blakros Matromony
35:19 <Avatar> I didn't feel like that was a very memorable scenario
35:36 <Avatar> to the point where I'd possibly be willing to replay it for no credit
35:37 <Mekkis> Blood Under Absalom
35:53 <Mekkis> I hear you, Avatar 
36:29 <Avatar> I'm sort of praying steven didn't run it very well
36:42 <Avatar> it seems like the dodgiest season 4 scenario to date
36:45 <Avatar> that can't be right
36:49 <Mekkis> I think it's one of those scenarios that really needs to be run in-person
37:00 <Avatar> maybe
37:03 <Avatar> I feel like I just need maps
39:14 <Mekkis> I want to rerun Song of the Sea Witch
40:20 <Ulzef> of all the stats though its the least likly 
40:37 <Ulzef> and when it does you can normally fight it with skills
41:02 <Ulzef> hi all
41:05 <Mekkis> where the hell is Spider?
41:30 <Ulzef> sorry got back and mekkis had pointed out there is a forum post all about little ole me so had to read it and write a post
42:05 <Ulzef> Brunius you cant post on there because of the NDA:P (mekkis forged your sig)
42:16 <Mekkis> hehe
42:48 <Mekkis> I did snaff some of Bairaq's hair when I was helping him remove his armour one day...
43:41 <Ulzef> i decided i would wait until there are more post to point out that we now have a crew of like 7 players i think although i heard one had died
43:48 <Ulzef> i mean Ulzef has 7 cha but has decent social skills because i invested in them
43:54 <Ulzef> Buck did end up joining right avatar?
44:06 <Mekkis> who died?
44:17 <Ulzef> Oscar or so i hear
44:18 <Ulzef> then again 16 int mostly rogue humans have alot of skill points
47:16 <Mekkis> I thought he was in semi-retirement
47:28 <Ulzef> oh thats ok then
47:43 <Ulzef> he wasn't at arc so didnt get a chance to ask
47:58 <Mekkis> asking on skype now :S
48:22 <Mekkis> oh, he's dead
49:58 <Ulzef> because we have Ulzef,Runty,itzamna,deceased (as our lawyer), Oscar(dead), a NPC i recruited and buck (i beleave) 
50:35 <Ulzef> and there was someone else i cant remember
57:18 <Ulzef> was a sunday game decided on?
57:34 <Mekkis> no. Are you volunteering or suggesting something
58:10 <Ulzef> not volunteering for awhile
58:18 <Mekkis> s/suggesting/requesting/
58:32 <Avatar> eh?
58:46 <Avatar> yeah Buck is in the crew
58:49 <Ulzef> had mentions shadows cause its a low i could play
59:11 <Avatar> anyone at that table would be a fool not to join you
59:20 <Avatar> sorry, Bairaq
59:29 <Avatar> lawful and good just doesn't win this time around
59:32 <Mekkis> what about the dead druid?
59:40 <Avatar> well 
59:42 <Avatar> dead's dead
00:16 <Ulzef> um thats the secound time Ulzef got him killed so i would dobt it
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01:20 <Mekkis> I remember how we dealt with the enemy in Golemworks. I think you were there, Avatar 
01:36 <Mekkis> Cloudkill, stinking cloud, more cloudkill
03:08 <Mekkis> !spell lesser simulacrum
03:16 <diebot> Mekkis, SCULPT SIMULACRUM transmutation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: touch simulacrum touched Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude negates SR:yes
03:16 <diebot> You create cosmetic changes to a simulacrum, similar to disguise self, except the changes are physical rather than illusory. This does not change any of the simulacrum's abilities.
03:26 <Mekkis> !spell simulacrum, lesser
03:27 <diebot> Mekkis, SIMULACRUM, LESSER illusion (shadow[]) sorcerer/wizard 4 1 hour Range: 0 ft.  Comp: V, S, M (an ice sculpture of the target plus powdered rubies worth 50 gp per HD of the simulacrum) Duration: 1 hour/level Save: none SR:no
03:28 <diebot> This spell functions as simulacrum, except you can't create a simulacrum of a creature whose HD or levels exceed your caster level, and it has no magical abilities. The creature is not under your control, though it recognizes you are its creator.
03:34 <Ulzef> mekkis: you around?
03:43 <Mekkis> !spell simulacrum
03:44 <Mekkis> almost
03:44 <diebot> Mekkis, SIMULACRUM illusion (shadow[]) sorcerer/wizard 7, summoner 5 12 hours Range: 0 ft.  Comp: V, S, M (ice sculpture of the target plus powdered rubies worth 500 gp per HD of the simulacrum) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:no
03:44 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/simulacrum.html
04:25 <Ulzef> just wondering how long you would get left before execution in WotW
04:41 <Mekkis> WOW
04:44 <Mekkis> two days.
06:06 <Ulzef> kk np i was gonna play that lintor had been left there for awhile something about elf's living longer than humans
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17:07 <Ulzef> thats and the fact he prob looks kinda dead
21:43 <Ulzef> how bout The Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment for sunday how many people have done that
21:47 <Mekkis> Ulzef, your "evil citation" was for not taking slaves, right?
22:00 <Mekkis> I could run it, but I haven't run it before....
22:15 <Ulzef> it was for murdering a knocked out person
22:55 <Ulzef> cause the smauria we were with wouldnt let me enslave them and i wasn't leaving them alive to come back and get us later
24:11 <Ulzef> PS. the GM then aloud the sam to attack me
24:15 <Mekkis> ooh.. are you taking age catagories?
24:29 <Ulzef> nah
24:34 <Ulzef> and it got stopped when i won
24:48 <Mekkis> why didn't you crate him up?
24:51 <Ulzef> 6 con and bone oracle kinda = looking dead
25:00 <Ulzef> useing no lethal punches mean while he used a gauntlet for lethal
25:23 <Ulzef> was gonna play him a little nuts as well cause he has been in there a decade or 2
25:36 <Mekkis> hmmm
25:39 <Mekkis> €>
25:55 <Ulzef> he wouldnt let me crate them up
26:24 <Mekkis> Brunius, you around on Sunday?
27:09 <Avatar> his answer to that is always maybe
27:18 <Mekkis> I should run Dalsine!
27:53 <Ulzef> i need that as well but just made gitch read it to run IRL at some point
27:54 <Mekkis> I really think that's a "inperson only, please" scenario
28:31 <Mekkis> like Mantis' Prey
28:34 <Avatar> need to play that scenario with a character I don't care about
28:37 <Avatar> re dalsine
28:44 <Mekkis> but Cairo levelled!
28:45 <Avatar> darkwhite promises mantis prey is good
28:49 <Mekkis> it is
28:53 <Mekkis> get him to run it for you
28:57 <Ulzef> it is
29:04 <Mekkis> preferably for a character who's played a lot of season 2
29:18 <Ulzef> Helmid almost torched the Whole of ABsalom because of it
29:24 <Mekkis> yeah
30:09 <Mekkis> I wouldn't mind running Song of the Sea Witch again
30:17 <Mekkis> if there's demand
31:25 <Avatar> it's been run twice in here now
31:35 <Avatar> more than most scenarios
32:22 <Mekkis> Shadow's Last Stand I would be alright, but II is another of the "in person, please" scenarios
32:35 <Ulzef> i could do song
32:44 <Avatar> can't remember if I played shadow's last stand 1
32:47 <Avatar> I remember playing 2
33:02 <Ulzef> its on your list of played
33:03 <Mekkis> hmmm
33:16 <Mekkis> between Avatar and Ulzef, there are three scenarios I could run
33:19 <Avatar> yeah if that says I've played it, i've played it
33:31 <Mekkis> Fortune's Blight, Wrath of the Accursed, and Dalsine
33:32 <Ulzef> which are those 3
33:50 <Avatar> blight is the only one I'd play under you
34:24 <Mekkis> yeah
34:31 <Mekkis> you need to get Goodall to run Accursed for you
34:40 <Avatar> but he'll kill me
34:48 <Mekkis> he didn't kill me
34:57 <Avatar> yeah but you are a borderline munchkin
35:13 <Mekkis> and you've crossed the line
35:34 <Avatar> playing a gunslinger doesn't cross the line
35:53 <Mekkis> no. Playing a musket master does
36:07 <Avatar> no it doesn't
37:02 <Mekkis> is running a 1-2 a priority?
37:54 <Avatar> dunno
38:03 <Avatar> I was considering running we be goblins
38:20 <Avatar> but the 1-2s are usually the americanos
38:26 <Mekkis> what about Master of Fallen Fortress?
38:27 <Avatar> and they're only here in the mornings
38:36 <Ulzef> i can only play 3 more on Ulzef before i have to semi retire him Goodall shot gunned me for ebon destroyer so gotta pause him at 9
38:50 <Mekkis> 9.2 I hope :)
39:07 <Avatar> I'd probably play my shitty cleric on cult of the ebon destroyers
39:08 <Ulzef> lol that 5 mods then
39:20 <Avatar> I don't want him to play him, but that might be a good one for him to go out on
39:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, Master of the Fallen Fortress?
39:32 <Avatar> don't want to play him and don't want to play that scenario
39:39 <Avatar> Mekkis: yeah I'd be up for it
39:48 <Mekkis> what about you, Ulzef?
40:00 <Ulzef> is it replayable cause i have done it
40:12 <Ulzef> and its fairly short
40:24 <Mekkis> it is, but I'd rather run something that isn't like that
42:19 <Ulzef> is there anything that both you and i can play that avatar could run
42:31 <Avatar> red harvest
42:37 <Mekkis> played it
42:39 <Avatar> can you play anymore 7-11s
42:43 <Mekkis> sure
42:44 <Avatar> oh really
42:46 <Avatar> did you mark it off
42:49 <Mekkis> yes
42:57 <Avatar> I'm sure I checked and that one appeared
43:49 <Mekkis> The Ghenett Manor Gauntlet?
44:10 <Mekkis> The Haunting of Hinojai?
44:31 <Avatar> steven ran ghenett manor gauntlet like three weeks ago
44:45 <Avatar> mekkis haven't you played the disappeared
44:52 <Mekkis> no
44:58 <Avatar> holy shit man
44:59 <Mekkis> but I'd like to play that in-person
45:00 <Avatar> you are missing out
45:02 <Avatar> BIG time
45:11 <Avatar> it probably is better in person
45:23 <Ulzef> think you would have to
45:25 <Avatar> adjudicating it online properly is impossible as long as nobody at the table cheats
45:30 <Avatar> which is more difficult to do than usual
46:22 <Ulzef> haunting and manor would both be on Ulzef 
46:30 <Mekkis> I think I'd take Kernigahn to The Disappeared
46:34 <Avatar> I've already run hinojai
46:35 <Ulzef> need one more mod on my sorc before it hits 5
48:02 <Avatar> man there are heaps you havent' played ulzef
48:10 <Ulzef> yup
48:23 <Avatar> I'll probably run temple of empyreal enlightenment soonish
48:24 <Ulzef> we played weekly through season 0 and 1 then we stoped
49:15 <Ulzef> i have only played at cons for awhile now
49:17 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if I should be limiting my choice to "scenarios that the bunch of crazy barbarians won't tear to pieces"
49:25 <Ulzef> thats why i was so keen to get on here
49:37 <Avatar> that's crazy talk
49:46 <Avatar> where were you 3 years ago
50:03 <Ulzef> in geelong still
50:22 <Avatar> offline, that's where
50:25 <Ulzef> i have been pathfindering since pathfinder beta
50:57 <Mekkis> Avatar, if I recall, you didn't start PFS until 2009
50:57 <Ulzef> i had mentioned it to ken a couple of times then this con i was like give me the details i need to play
51:12 <Avatar> yeah that's a little over 3 years
53:04 <Mekkis> Jan 3, 2011 	4483 	PFS on irc for UTC+10 	1 	Mekkis 	#47: The Darkest Vengeance (PFRPG) 	22871 -1 	Avatar1 	Taldor 	— 	Character died. 	Edit
53:13 <Mekkis> that was the Second scenario run in here :)
54:05 <Avatar> ok one year ago
54:09 <Avatar> technicalities
54:13 <Mekkis> two years
54:27 <Avatar> we've been to 3 arcanacons
54:29 <Avatar> how can it only be 2 years
54:38 <Mekkis> 2011
54:40 <Mekkis> 2012
54:41 <Mekkis> 2013
54:54 <Mekkis> more like 2 years one month
54:59 <Avatar> technicalities
55:24 <Ulzef> think i started arc 09
55:38 <Mekkis> I started GenConOz 2009
56:03 <Ulzef> was that the year we met you?
56:14 <Avatar> I gotta run
56:22 <Mekkis> (fyi, the first session we ran in here was under a different session number)
56:34 <Mekkis> I think so. I was at GenConOz 2008 as well...
56:56 <Mekkis> Dec 30, 2010 	4115 	PFSGU 	3 	Mekkis 	#35: Voice in the Void (PFRPG) 	22871 -1 	Avatar1 	Taldor 	1 		Edit
57:09 <Ulzef> imight have been playing since 08 then because i think we had been playing a year before we went to gencon
57:38 <Ulzef> avatar: later
58:24 <Mekkis> I'm surprised that my PFS number (the one I don't use) is lower than yours
59:26 <Ulzef> i know i started in season 0
59:38 <Ulzef> i was lvl 5 when we converted
00:38 <Mekkis> the whole Arcanacon -> conquest gap is inconvenient
00:59 <Mekkis> two cons, 4 new scenarios
03:19 <Ulzef> yeah not as bad a the conquest -> unicon break
03:30 <Mekkis> how so?
03:55 <Mekkis> at least there are new commands
04:55 <Ulzef> i guess it was just so bad when cons was all i was playing at
05:11 <Ulzef> you start to jones for PFS
05:20 <Mekkis> jones?
05:52 <Ulzef> um get withdrawal sysmptons
05:59 <Mekkis> ah
06:00 <Ulzef> or how ever you spell it
06:13 <Mekkis> symptoms
08:45 <Ulzef> why i have you here and its the sort of thing you would know in pathfinder how does one become a litch
09:06 <Mekkis> a lich?
09:23 <Mekkis> well.. in 3.5, one needed to have the Craft Wonderous Item Feat and be 10th level
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10:08 <Ulzef> in english?
11:29 <Mekkis> (the process of which is largely left up to the GM’s discretion)
11:48 <Mekkis> does your oracle desire to become a lich?
11:55 <Ulzef> maybe
12:06 <Ulzef> he is already part undead
12:59 <Ulzef> counts as undead for neg, pos energy
14:00 <Mekkis> I'll come up with a process once you reach 5th level of Agent of the Grave
14:57 <Ulzef> is that a class or just something that will happen
15:06 <Mekkis> it's a prestige class
15:10 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/agent-of-the-grave
15:50 <Ulzef> what about the special req?
15:57 <Mekkis> waive it
19:32 <Ulzef> if i make it i will be so happy with the unholy fort
20:00 <Ulzef> going from 6 con to useing 18 cha will be so awesome
20:20 <Mekkis> if you survive
20:36 <Mekkis> is there an oracle archetype that uses the druid spell list?
20:41 <Ulzef> thats a BIG if
20:48 <Ulzef> not sure 
21:01 <Ulzef> i get wiz/sorc spells every even lvl
21:29 <Mekkis> I want to make a spellcasting druid as my next PFS character
21:52 <Ulzef> just go druid with domain instead of companion
22:06 <Mekkis> that's the plan
22:25 <Ulzef> turning into a bird or a air elemental and cast from the air is nice
22:38 <Mekkis> druids get cool spells, but noone seems to use them
23:07 <Ulzef> my druid is a shifter druid so its not really a focus
24:03 <Mekkis> 7 str, 7 dex, 18 con, 7 int, 20 wis, 10 cha?
24:18 <Mekkis> (aasimar)
25:09 <Mekkis> actually, dwarf gets +con +wis right?
25:26 <Mekkis> 7 7 20 7 20 8
25:30 <Mekkis> 7 7 20 7 20 6*
25:46 <Ulzef> lol
26:25 <Ulzef> i feel like secrets of death should use caster stat not just Int
28:07 <Mekkis> (I wouldn't seriously play a double 20 character, that's... horrible)
28:19 <Mekkis> (not including the characters I made for QQ)
29:11 <Ulzef> we have a sorc in realms game thats a dwarf that uses the wis instead bloodline which is rude
29:26 <Mekkis> mmmm
29:46 <Mekkis> I was considering going that bloodline. I probably will with Kernigahn
29:50 <Ulzef> he gets like the sorc blast spells plus the cleric blast spells
29:50 <Mekkis> when he reaches that level
30:18 <Ulzef> Kernigahn going sorc+ cleric?
45:57 <Mekkis> yeah
46:01 <Mekkis> one level of sorcerer
46:07 <Ulzef> ?
46:14 <Mekkis> unless there's a way of adding a sorcerer level to the cleric list
46:58 <Ulzef> why you need the 1 lvl of sorc
47:18 <Mekkis> I want to be able to go Blood Money + Raise Dead 
47:22 <Mekkis> Free raises!
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