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11:47 <Mekkis> !feat superior summons
11:48 <diebot> Mekkis, SUPERIOR SUMMONING []Prereq:  Augment Summoning, caster level 3rd.  You can summon more creatures.
11:48 <diebot> Benefit:  Each time you cast a summoning spell that conjures more than one creature, add one to the total number of creatures summoned. Source: UM
20:13 <Mekkis> wow
20:20 <Mekkis> Dealextreme sells CPUs
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30:26 <S711> Programmers.
30:33 <S711> What are the best IT help forums you know of?
37:01 <Mekkis> freenode IRC
54:52 <S711> Yes, freenode is good.
54:59 <S711> What about forums?
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40:19 <Ballig> if I'm googling for something I usually get some good results from stackoverflow
40:25 <Ballig> but I've never actually asked a question on a forum
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48:34 <Mort-> Ee
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09:10 <Mekkis> are gunshots affected by wind?
14:13 <niconorsk> Well, in real life they are, not sure about pathfinder
17:07 <Mekkis> good enough for me
17:21 <Mekkis> hell, the guns aren't even rifled
20:55 <niconorsk> Bear in mind that they are less affected than arrows would be.  I would probably rule a 30% miss chance with wind wall, for example
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44:06 <Wrothmonk> Something about them being propelled by the equivalent of one fourth an alchemist's bomb would make the hard to stop.
49:40 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, could you try shooting a smoothbore gun at a target in a strong wind?
50:16 <Wrothmonk> Well the wind would probably knock me down.
50:35 <Wrothmonk> Thats where most of the miss chance would come in.
50:35 <Mekkis> we have gun laws here
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54:16 <Steven> y
54:17 <Steven> o
55:30 <Steven> what up
56:12 <Wrothmonk> Nothing much. Trying to find a good name for my gnome since I realized I couldn't play the Rumil the second card.
56:25 <Wrothmonk> Considering he is still 16 and the gmone is 40...
56:27 <Wrothmonk> gnome*
57:42 <Mekkis> Apocynaceplume
57:53 <Wrothmonk> Eryne?
58:23 <Wrothmonk> Has the right amount of hard to pronounce that my fantasy characters normally have..
58:50 <Mekkis> male or female?
58:53 <Wrothmonk> Male
59:34 <Mekkis> Though it’s a common gnome sentiment that rules were
59:34 <Mekkis> made to be broken, male gnomes tend to choose brighter
59:34 <Mekkis> and more convoluted names, often portmanteaus or
59:34 <Mekkis> random composites of attractive syllables, while females
59:34 <Mekkis> tend to choose names that are quick and to the point.
00:00 <Wrothmonk> Thats helpfull
00:06 <Wrothmonk> darastrix is out of the mix then.
00:16 <Wrothmonk> For sure.
03:18 <Steven> gnomes typically have long names
03:29 <Wrothmonk> I hate long names...
03:37 <Steven> then dont play a gnome
03:43 <Wrothmonk> Considering that.
04:45 <Steven> my gnomes name is Folnor Lumjon Ninnab Ollfnab Hodgewyn the 4th
05:10 <Wrothmonk> O_O
05:22 <Steven> with titles its Constant Seeker Fulnor Lumjon Ninnab Ollfnab Hodgewyn the 4th of the Risen guard.
05:40 <Wrothmonk> Ok… I'm going to do a different race if thats the norm length.
05:54 <Steven> everyone just calls him Folnor
08:18 <Wrothmonk> ok what are the races from ARC that I can choose from?
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08:51 <Wrothmonk> nvm I just found one thats good...
08:54 <Mekkis> you can just choose a draconic name if you think that's better
09:21 <Wrothmonk> Halflings have a plus to dex and cha
09:30 <Steven> yeah the only ones who will laugh at you and shun you are other gnomes.
10:06 <Wrothmonk> is there a list or do I need to figure out something that sounds draconic.
10:35 <Wrothmonk> since looking at halfling I can't get draconic.
12:00 <Wrothmonk> Wait no, I got it from linguistics...
12:21 <Steven> im setting up RotRl for the core group
12:32 <Mekkis> but changing your race based on not finding a name is a stupid thing to do
13:59 <Wrothmonk> Well to be honest I like the dex bonus better than the Con
14:40 <Mekkis> choosing your race based on racial modifiers is worse
15:29 <Steven> wroth dont listen to us... do what you want
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00:01 <yalp> Is there any life in here ?
02:48 <Steven> always
02:54 <Steven> usually just not intelligent life
03:22 <yalp> So, just the usual kind you find online  ?
04:19 <Steven> exactly...
06:59 <Steven> so whats your poison?
08:30 <yalp> Oh. Right now I guess that would be pathfinder. looking around to see if there is anyone playing it online
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27:59 <Mekkis>   Sheriff ’s Whistle: Used most often by gnome sheriffs
27:59 <Mekkis> and rangers, a sheriff ’s whistle gives off a piercing shriek
27:59 <Mekkis> that can easily be heard up to 1,000 feet away under
27:59 <Mekkis> ordinary circumstances. However, the frequency of the
27:59 <Mekkis> shriek is such that it can only be heard by badgers, dogs,
27:59 <Mekkis> and gnomes.
28:02 <Mekkis> cool!
37:49 <Steven> meh...
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50:21 <Steven> how bout them fat bitches?
02:04 <Mekkis> so gnomes are sensitive to higher frequencies
02:30 <Mekkis> that's good to know
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10:05 <Mort-> Hm no hydra
10:23 <Steven> hydra is here... he is in disguise.
11:31 <Mort-> I'm looking for hydra
11:43 <Steven> brock supposedly is making an announcement in the next blog...
11:50 <Steven> hasnt even told us VOs
13:13 <Steven> supposed to be huge
13:55 * Mort- twiddles her paws
15:00 <Mort-> Hm. Where's the hydra when you need one
15:21 <Mort-> Or maybe failing that i can just toss him idea
16:00 <Steven> im going to guess he is livin the life
16:02 <Steven> of a rockstar
21:14 <Mort-> Guess not everyday is a Sunday
21:44 <Steven> typically 6 other days in a week
26:13 <Steven> im gonna go make a gnome.
27:50 * Mort- growls
28:30 <Mort-> Actually to be honest. None of my business
28:46 <Mort-> I have no right to tell people not to play gnomes
30:25 <Steven> dont worry... its gonna be a terribly built gnome
30:40 <Mort-> That would be interfering with freedom of choice in clause 3.1 of the Andoran constitution
32:54 <Steven> gotta build me something to throw this boon i got on.
34:45 <Mort-> I don't have additional traits or anything
34:47 <Mort-> Ah well.
35:18 <Steven> well if you had come to radcon and played you had a chance to get one.
37:23 <Mort-> Ill never be going to a con
37:33 <Mort-> They aren't in sing
37:44 <Steven> is there a lodge there?
38:00 <Mort-> Not that i know off
38:09 <Brunius> Surely you can host your own con
38:18 <Mort-> Lol bru
38:37 * Mort- is a lazy mur
41:11 <Mort-> Hosting your own con. Need players
41:54 <Mort-> And a venue
42:03 <Steven> so... organize a lodge.
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46:06 <Steven> brunius... i love you...
46:23 <Brunius> That's kinda creepy
46:26 <Brunius> Also probably illegal
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47:53 <Steven> like i love the herpes
50:15 <Steven> welcome back mort, you have a lodge in sing?
07:06 * Steven yawns in boredom.
08:26 <Steven> so....
08:32 <Steven> friday night for you guys...
08:40 <Steven> anything worth a damn happening over in aust?
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09:37 <katoui> ddddddddddddddddd n dddddddddddddddd
09:42 <katoui> yo party fuckers
09:51 <katoui> its rock n roll timeeeeeee
09:54 * Steven waves.
09:57 <katoui> dddddddddddddddddddd n DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
10:01 <katoui> dynamite
10:05 Mekkis has kicked katoui from #d&d (Hah. I have +o now!)
10:37 <Steven> awwwww i was gonna play with him mekkis
11:13 <Mekkis> Do it in PM
11:24 <Steven> thats not as fun.
11:34 <Steven> in other news im going to go eat a danish.
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16:42 <Steven> so whats the plan... i nominate brunius to run something for us
18:39 <Brunius> I nominate Brunius to mess around in ArmA
21:11 <Wrothmonk> I nominate the all mighty Google to tell me what ArmA is.
21:28 <Brunius> It's Armed Assault, man
21:32 <Brunius> This badass milsim
21:51 <Brunius> Avatar has played it
21:54 <Brunius> He will agree with me
22:13 <Mekkis> I nominate Brunius to run Rise of the Runeloards
22:19 <Mekkis> for us
22:25 <Mekkis> Runelords even
22:27 <Brunius> That's a negative, Mekkis Actual
22:41 <Brunius> I do not have the required resources, I say again, do not have the required resources
22:56 <Mekkis> what resources?
23:29 <Mekkis> I'm sure we can help
23:32 <Steven> you realize there is a VO in the room with you right?  I have ALL the resources.
25:44 <Wrothmonk> VO?
27:39 <Steven> venture officer
27:44 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
28:13 <Wrothmonk> I keep forgetting I've only been playing for a few months and theres still stuff I don't know...
37:40 <Mekkis> Steven:did you get around to running that script?
41:52 <Steven> indeed i did, its at my brothers house.
42:13 <Steven> we got drunk as fuck and i forgot it over there.
46:28 <Steven> ill pick it up this sunday
46:51 <Mekkis> cool. How big is the file?
47:23 <Mekkis> (would it be better for me to pay for a USB stick and postage)?
52:18 <Steven> i dont remember
52:22 <Steven> i was drunk as fuck.
07:41 <Avatar> what will I agree with
08:33 <Steven> everything!
08:40 <Avatar> that's incorrect
08:50 * Avatar sets ban on *!*juggler@*
08:53 * Avatar sets ban on *!juggler*@*
09:06 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@b501ca29.bigpond.net.au
09:55 <Steven> very good!
26:00 <Wrothmonk> Guns are always vs touch right?
26:10 <Avatar> yep
26:12 <Avatar> well
26:13 <Avatar> no
26:18 <Avatar> only within the first range increment
26:29 <Avatar> for pistols, it's 20ft, for muskets, it's 40ft
26:45 <Avatar> there's a deed which pushes that 10ft further if you have the grit to spare
27:30 <Wrothmonk> Alright… So if the target is considered flat foot, does it get denied everything but size and deflect to ac?
27:35 <Wrothmonk> against guns?
27:51 <Avatar> yeah
28:19 <Avatar> flatfooted and touch just means it uses whichever is lower of the two
29:48 <Wrothmonk> And using stealth successfully with an attack will cause the target to be flat foot against it right?
30:04 <Avatar> yeah
30:16 <Avatar> but sniping is hard because stealth is relatively broken, especially in combat
30:20 <Mekkis> flat-footed and touch means "AC minus dex, armour, natural armour and shield"
30:28 <Avatar> I don't know anyone who's successfully made a good sniper
30:34 <Mekkis> Mytiazair
30:37 <Wrothmonk> Hrm darn.
30:44 <Avatar> mytizair isn't a sniper
30:50 <Wrothmonk> It would be fun.
31:00 <Mekkis> scorching ray sneak attack from greater invisibility?
31:15 <Avatar> we're talking from level 1 onwards
31:17 <Avatar> not level 9
32:48 <Wrothmonk> That much damage against so low AC… That would be almost game breaking… 
33:54 <Mekkis> "that much"?
34:07 <Wrothmonk> I've forgotten the dmg
34:11 <Wrothmonk> looking up now :P
34:16 <Wrothmonk> I know its a lot.
34:40 <Mekkis> scorching ray is 4d6
34:47 <Mekkis> at 7th level you get two rays
34:52 <Mekkis> it's not really that much damage
35:04 <Mekkis> even when you add the 2d6 sneak attack
35:14 <Wrothmonk> Oh.
35:23 <Avatar> 30 average
35:29 <Avatar> give or take
35:41 <Wrothmonk> at what level?
35:42 <Avatar> it's pretty game breaking at 3rd level
35:45 <Mekkis> 4d6 average is 14
35:53 <Avatar> 9th+
35:59 <Avatar> greater invisibility is a 4th level spell
36:13 <Mekkis> Mytiazair is getting 7d6, twice
36:28 <Mekkis> but it's still nothing compared to Buck's output
36:55 <Mekkis> 7d6 average is 24.5
37:03 <Avatar> yeah you don't want to know Buck's output at 9th level
37:12 <Wrothmonk> Buck?
37:22 <Avatar> my gunslinger
37:31 <Wrothmonk> Ah
39:42 <Mekkis> and Buck isn't paying 50gp per shot
39:49 <Mekkis> (and doesn't need to care about SR)
40:20 <Wrothmonk> How????
40:47 <Wrothmonk> or were you being sarcastic....
40:57 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
41:10 <Mekkis> Mytiazair's bonded item is a wand of scorching ray
41:22 <Mekkis> that means each charge is very expensive
41:29 <Wrothmonk> Ah
41:38 <Wrothmonk> oh right, gunslingers its 30 gp per shot.
41:44 <Wrothmonk> not 50
41:52 <Mekkis> 30?
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42:02 <Mekkis> gunslingers get a 90% discount on ammo
42:06 <Mekkis> the cheesemonkies
42:30 <Wrothmonk> I thought it was 50% which craft alchemy
42:42 <Wrothmonk> I really need to brush up on the rules for gunslingers...
42:48 <Avatar> mekkis I don't think you of all people get to call anyone a cheesemonkey
49:32 <Wrothmonk> Where is base attack bonus in chapter 3 of the core rulebook? I'm trying to figure out the whole extra attacks from BAB.
49:54 <Avatar> it's in the class tables
50:54 <Mekkis> when your BAB is +6, you get an extra one
51:02 <Mekkis> when your BAB is +11, you get anotehr  extra one
51:46 <Wrothmonk> so what does the /+1 mean then, is a second attack made with the BAB of +1 instead of +6?
52:35 <Mekkis> yes
52:46 <Mekkis> each additional attack is at a cumulative -5
53:28 <Wrothmonk> ok then, what about when dealing with two weapons?
53:40 <Wrothmonk> do you just get an extra attack with one or both?
53:43 <Avatar> your second weapon gives you one extra attack, but you take penalties on both
53:56 <Wrothmonk> Ok.
55:22 <Mekkis> also, you only ever get multiple attacks of any form on a full-attack
55:31 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, I knew that.
02:04 <Mekkis> which makes TWF less impressive
02:18 <Wrothmonk> TWF?
02:24 <Mekkis> two-weapon fighting
02:30 <Mekkis> (both the action, and the feat)
02:32 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
02:54 <Wrothmonk> A little less.
03:22 <Mekkis> unfortunately, the TWF rules are long and convoluted. 
03:44 <Mekkis> More problematically, the people who generally use them are people who are new to the game.
04:46 <Wrothmonk> Doesn't seem to convoluted to me. Am I missing a few paragraphs?
05:49 <Mekkis> let's use Avatar as an example
06:05 <Mekkis> he's been playing D&D for at least 3 years, and Pathfinder for at least 2 and a half.
06:28 <Mekkis> And he still has trouble working out how much damage his gunslinger does when Buck does a full-attack.
07:41 <Mekkis> When you're making 4 attacks a round, each at different attack bonuses, with different damage dice, and adding half your strength bonus to two of them, and full strength bonus to the other two of them, working out damage on a full-attack becomes a nightmare
08:11 <Wrothmonk> different damage dice?
08:25 <Mekkis> yeah, shortsword in off-hand, longsword in main hand, for instance
08:40 <Wrothmonk> well wouldn't the BAB bonus attacks just be main hand?
08:52 <Mekkis> (actually, the shortsword's probably a +1 short sword, and the longsword might be a +2 humanbane longsword)
08:57 <Avatar> I have trouble with it at a table
09:04 <Avatar> online it's not a problem because our dice are calculators
09:39 <Avatar> and I haven't been playing in person for all of 5 and a half years
09:50 <Avatar> so I'm not in great practise with adding it up in my head
10:35 <Brunius> tsk tsk
11:21 <Mekkis> so your attack sequence might be +11 (+2 if it's a human) (1d8+7 damage (+2+2d6 if it's a human)) / +6 (+2 if it's a human) (1d8+7 damage (+2+2d6 if it's a human)) / +10 (1d6+4 damage) / +5 (1d6+4 damage)
11:40 <Mekkis> which is a clusterfuck for a new player to work out
11:55 <Wrothmonk> I can see the problem with new players.
12:12 <Mekkis> and the two-handed greatsword-wielding character next to him will be dishing out more damage...
14:16 <Mekkis> (also, the TWF fighter will have different attack rolls on a single attack than on a full-attack, which makes it even more complex)
14:51 <Wrothmonk> Quick question, are advanced firearms allowed in PFS?
14:55 <Mekkis> no
15:43 <Brunius> Read the additional resources page
15:49 <Brunius> It DOES outline it there.
15:56 <Wrothmonk> Then how does buck get multiple attacks if he can only reload as a swift action (which you can only perform once in a round)
16:15 <Avatar> he reloads as a free action
16:20 <Mekkis> get Avatar to explain
16:29 <Wrothmonk> Please do.
16:30 <Avatar> it starts out as a standard action to reload
16:39 <Avatar> rapid reload brings it to move action
16:52 <Wrothmonk> alchemical bullets bring it to swift
17:20 <Avatar> and there's a 3rd or 5th level ability that musket masters get which make it a free action
17:55 <Wrothmonk> isn't that for a musket though? (two handed gun)
18:26 <Avatar> yeah
18:37 <Avatar> for a musket master using a musket
19:08 <Wrothmonk> still swift then. The ability is: Fast Musket (Ex): At 3rd level, as long as the musket master has 1 grit point, she can reload any two-handed firearm as if it were a one-handed firearm. This deed replaces the utility shot deed.
19:32 <Wrothmonk> thats how you start out with a standard action reload instead of a full round...
23:58 <Avatar> yeah swift actions don't come into it
26:38 <Avatar> paper alchemical catridges talks about the steps to reduce firearm loading time, and it skips swift
27:08 <Wrothmonk> Ah I see.
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18:59 <Steven> alright im back
32:55 <Avatar> WB
38:28 <Avatar> steven
38:49 <Avatar> do you think fury's fall and agile maneuvers stack?
39:23 <Avatar> agile maneuvers turning str on the CMB to dex, and fury's fall letting you add your dex bonus to your CMB
46:24 <niconorsk> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p89d?Agile-maneuvers-Furys-Fall
47:39 <Avatar> there's a lot of threads like that
47:52 <Avatar> I'm using this character in tomorrow's game and it's crunch time
47:55 <Avatar> I don't want to have a useless feat
54:01 <niconorsk> I would lean towards them not stacking
54:34 <Avatar> if you were running a game and a player was playing using it, what would you do
57:30 <niconorsk> Assuming it wasn't PFS, I'd probably rule that they don't stack and then allow them to swap out one of the feats for something else
57:54 <niconorsk> I don't think a GM can allow feat swapping in PFS?
59:07 <Avatar> players can't be left with a dead feat
00:12 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> pretty sure they would stack
00:32 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> they are effecting CMB in diff ways so diff bonuses
00:54 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> oh and hi
01:00 <Steven> alright back
01:41 <Avatar> what do you think steven
02:51 <Steven> I would rule they do not stack as you are already adding your dex bonus to your CMB
03:49 <Avatar> if you found out later they do stack, would you be okay with the player putting that feat back in
04:00 <Steven> if they take the feat they are stuck with the feat.
04:34 <Steven> and can retrain it if they possess a legal means of doing so.
04:41 <Steven> otherwise they are stuck with the feat.
05:57 <Avatar> so they are stuck with a feat that you don't allow?
07:01 <Steven> they are stuck with a feat that doesnt stack, until theres a clarification, at my table.
07:29 <Avatar> but it would never take effect then
08:48 <Steven> look at the math, lets say... 2nd level human fighter dex based 18 dex... takes agile manuvers, their CMB is +6 or +8 if they get improved trip
09:45 <Steven> add in agile maneuvers and they are looking at a +12 to trip at 2nd level... that is too powerful of a feat combination.
10:17 <Steven> I have a querry in with the rest of the VOs and if they cant come to a consensus ill throw it on the boards
10:41 <Avatar> it's already on the boards
10:48 <Avatar> in about 3 threads with 5-10 FAQ requests each
10:54 <Avatar> they're not answering it for some reason
10:56 <Steven> adding double dex to a combat menuever obtainable at 2nd or 3rd level.... craaaaaaaazy
11:15 <Avatar> there's actually another archetype which relies on the same mechanic
12:27 <niconorsk> really? I'm curious
12:58 <Avatar> Perfect Recall: At 2nd level, a mindchemist has honed 
12:58 <Avatar> his memory. When making a Knowledge check, he may add 
12:59 <Avatar> his Intelligence bonus on the check a second time. Thus, 
12:59 <Avatar> a mindchemist with 5 ranks in Knowledge (history) and a 
12:59 <Avatar> +2 Intelligence bonus has a total skill bonus of +9 (5 + 2 + 
12:59 <Avatar> 2) using this ability.
14:35 <Steven> specific trumps general... generally you are not allowed to add ability modifiers more than once.  That specific ability says do it. 
15:49 <Avatar> it's specific so you can understand what it means
16:02 <Avatar> it doesn't say anywhere that you are not allowed to add them more than once
17:29 <Steven> james jacobs creative director has clarified this
18:28 <Steven> its in his thread of ask james jacobs
18:41 <Avatar> yeah but he's less of a rules guy than you are
20:35 <Steven> well you have your answer, you can choose to disregard it if you want, but you have my answer which will be upheld at my tables.
20:50 <Avatar> I'm trying to work out what'll happen if it becomes legal or illegal later, because table variation is going to be all over the place on it
20:59 <Avatar> thanks, rules staff
21:51 <Brunius> I'm fairly sure that if it becomes illegal later you're allowed to switch it out
22:44 <Avatar> and if I take it now, some GMs will just rule that it doesn't work until they decide to make a ruling, which could be never
23:02 <Steven> probably never since it was clarified by JJ as not stacking
23:20 <Avatar> they've said only mike, mark and SKR have any real say 
23:45 <Avatar> JJ specifically called himself out as not wanting to make rulings because what he says doesn't count
24:05 <Avatar> I remember because I tried asking him about the ice tomb one
26:21 <Steven> alright, here you go.
26:23 <Steven> Bonus: Bonuses are numerical values that are added to checks and statistical scores. Most bonuses have a type, and as a general rule, bonuses of the same type are not cumulative (do not “stack”)—only the greater bonus granted applies.
26:32 <Steven> its a dex bonus, doesnt stack with itself
26:39 <Steven> cant apply it twice to the same score.
27:00 <Steven> cmb/cmd whatever
27:15 <Steven> unless something specificially says you can, aka specific trumps general.
28:03 <Avatar> that's referring to typed bonuses like competence bonus or dodge bonus or luck bonus
28:13 <Avatar> an ability score isn't a typed bonus
28:40 <Brunius> I would rule that way
28:51 <Brunius> The way that steven is saying
29:19 <Steven> untyped bonuses stack with all other bonuses except themselves.
30:52 <Avatar> what book does it talk about that in
31:17 <Steven> a published one im sure
31:34 <Steven> im not going to invest the time to go find it though.
33:18 <Brunius> probably CRB
38:04 <Steven> from the PRD "Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source."
38:28 <Steven> my cartoon stream crashed
39:38 <Avatar> these aren't the same source, it's two different feats
41:02 <Steven> the bonus is from the same source, your dex modifier
41:36 <Avatar> see this is the thing, you can argue it both ways
41:38 <Steven> damn it.... my cartoons arent comming back up
41:41 <Avatar> they need to give us a hard ruling
42:29 <Steven> no, you cant argue it both ways...  It is one way, it asks you to apply an untyped bonus from the same source which has been clarified that dont stack
42:56 <Avatar> so is the source the feat or the ability 
43:20 <Steven> the source of the untyped bonus is your Dex Modifier.
43:31 <Steven> which does not stack with itself.
43:35 <Avatar> or the two different feats
43:59 <Avatar> what's another example of something that gives untyped bonuses
45:14 <Steven> Inquiitor Stern Gaze feature and a Mask of Fear
45:32 <Steven> both give untyped bonuses
46:02 <Steven> or did they change it to moral bonus... i dont remember
46:44 <niconorsk> Stern gaze is a morale bonus
46:47 <Steven> ah... perfect example from inquisitor, Cunning initative
47:11 <Steven> adds wisdom on initative checks in addition to dex, they are both untyped bonuses from two sources
47:49 <Steven> Init=wis mod+dex mod+misc
49:01 <Steven> also this spell if awesome
49:05 <Steven> !threefold aspect
49:12 <Steven> !spell threefold aspect
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49:23 <Steven> how do you use this thing again?
49:31 <diebot> Steven, THREEFOLD ASPECT transmutation ([]) druid 5, witch 4 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: S, F (silver crescent worth 5 gp) Duration: 24 hours (D) Save:  SR:
49:31 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/threefold_aspect.html
49:44 <Steven> yeah that thing....
50:12 <Steven> imma get me a scroll of that if its legal
50:21 <Avatar> it is legal, my witch has it
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50:29 <Avatar> it's a time patron spell
51:05 <Steven> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet titties
51:18 <nicolascage> did someone say titts?
51:22 <Steven> i did!
51:26 <nicolascage> cooool ive come to the right place!
51:31 <nicolascage> hehehe
51:31 <Steven> for sure!
51:49 <nicolascage> just like summernats, "show us yer tits"! LOL
52:08 <Steven> so cage here to troll?
52:29 <nicolascage> nah, just kicking back seeing whats here
52:38 <Steven> coo coo
52:42 <Steven> where ya from?
52:47 <nicolascage> and i heard someone say the magic taboo word lol
52:54 <nicolascage> Syd.
52:57 <nicolascage> u?
54:22 <nicolascage> just curiosity, does D D mean "drugs disease
54:25 <nicolascage> ?
54:34 <nicolascage> lol
54:58 <Steven> whats the taboo word?
55:25 <nicolascage> so i saw an ad in the local newspaper that said "D D ball", does that mean it's a drugs disease ball full of sex and all?
55:38 <nicolascage> the taboo word is titties ain't it? 
55:54 * Steven shrugs
55:57 <nicolascage> considering theres a few members of the opposing secs in here
56:50 <Steven> yeah
56:53 <Steven> dunno about dd bail
56:56 <Steven> dd ball even
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58:26 <nicolascage> serious, i was curious what the "dd" in dd ball stands for? Otherwise about 100 druggos and bikies will turn up lol.
00:35 <nicolascage> serious dudes, i hope Rudd gets in. My professional support and backing for him all the way.
01:23 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@123.51.6583DF.0F00F4
01:23 Avatar has kicked nicolascage from #d&d (come back, one year!)
02:34 <Steven> my eyes are all tweekin for today
03:13 <niconorsk> Aww, I looked up d d ball. I think it means desperate and dateless. I'm sure he would have fit right in.
04:53 <Steven> my cartoon channel is down...
04:58 <Steven> now i gotta find something else to watch
05:37 <niconorsk> Acquisitions Inc.
06:45 <Steven> that doesnt sounds very fun
08:16 <Mort-> Wuh no hydra
08:25 <Steven> i hid him from you.
08:33 <niconorsk> It's the guys from Penny Arcade and Will Wheaton playing a live game of D&D at PAX. It's pretty entertaining
08:40 <Mort-> Never mind
08:50 <Steven> then perhaps it will be entertaining
08:52 <Mort-> Ill have time anyway to work it out
09:08 <Steven> why dont you ask the room
09:30 <Steven> we can probably give you an aswer
09:33 <Steven> answer
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11:03 <Mort-> I'm shy :)
11:37 <Steven> best get over that shit!
11:58 <Steven> ask yo question
12:25 <Steven> nico... this is great
12:54 * Mort- hides in a hole
13:07 <Steven> is that westley?
13:23 <Mort-> Ok avatar. What hexes are good to grab :p
13:33 <niconorsk> From Star Trek? yeah
13:42 <Avatar> flight
13:58 <Steven> flight, slumber, misfortune, cackle
13:58 <Mort-> K. 1 level more to fly!
14:09 <Mort-> I can't get that many i think
14:16 <Mort-> Evil eye not on that list?
14:31 <Mort-> Slumber - taken.
14:41 <Steven> yeah evil eye
14:42 <Mort-> Flight - next level.
15:01 <Mort-> Ill basically get to choose 3
15:02 <Steven> and major hex is ice tomb
15:12 <Mort-> When i get it
15:24 <Mort-> So between all the cool hexes. Pick 3
15:33 <Steven> extra hex?
15:45 <Mort-> Slumber already selected so 2 more
15:53 <Mort-> Bit limited.
18:31 <Mort-> Is beast bonded witch pfs legal?
18:49 <Mort-> Because if you die after level 10 you're like getting a case of magic jar
19:11 <Mort-> Which means you might go run around possessing a demon or something
19:49 <niconorsk> Source?
19:56 <Steven> go check the aditional resources page
20:06 <Mort-> Checking
20:46 <niconorsk> Looks legal
21:21 <Mort-> The level 10 ability is ftw
21:43 <Mort-> What happens if you die and take another body though
24:09 <Steven> you would need to get your body raised before the scenario ends
24:13 <Steven> otherwise you die.
24:40 <Mort-> You can stay around indefinitely in your familiar
24:48 <Mort-> Sheesh :p
24:58 <Mort-> But i guess its more fun in campaigns
25:12 <Mort-> Go hijack a new body and stay there permanently
25:34 <Mort-> Remember to take eschew materials and pick forms with hands
25:56 <Avatar> what's the level 10 ability 
26:28 <Mort-> If you die -> pop yourself into your familiar
26:34 <Steven> At 10th-level, if the witch or her familiar is gravely injured or about to die, the soul of the dying one immediately transfers to the other’s body. The two souls share the surviving body peaceably, can communicate freely, and both retain their ability to think and reason. The host may allow the guest soul to take over the body temporarily or reclaim it as a move action. They can persist in this 
26:34 <Steven> state indefinitely, or the guest can return to its own body (if available) by touch, transfer into a suitable vessel (such as a clone), or take over another body as if using magic jar (with no receptacle). 
26:48 <Mort-> While you're in there you can magic jar to take a new body
27:02 <Mort-> So you could hijack a demon or something
27:10 <Mort-> Or a 4 armed gargoyle
27:22 <niconorsk> magic jar has a duration though and you'd still be restricted by that
27:32 <Mort-> Every day you refresh it
27:33 <Avatar> magic jar sounds like an incredibly dangerous spell
28:29 <niconorsk> Personally, I'd kill my own familiar and keep it in your mind until you need it to magic jar something. :)
29:03 <Mort-> There is no reseptical on this
29:04 <Mort-> Which removes a lot of the danger
29:05 <Mort-> There is no range penalty
29:05 <Mort-> Its the recepticle that screws you over
29:29 <Mort-> Your familiar can be more indestructable then you can
29:39 <Steven> okay mort, so this is how it works.
29:42 <Avatar> what happens to your original body
29:43 <Mort-> If you get the right one
29:53 <Mort-> You're dead lol
30:01 <Avatar> what?
30:05 <Mort-> But yeah this thing intrigues me
30:06 <Steven> your body dies, you magic jar over to your familiar
30:09 <Mort-> No
30:15 <Steven> and then magic jar over to a new body once you find one.
30:19 <Mort-> You live with your familiar
30:30 <Mort-> You can off piggy bag
30:44 <Steven> you go through the rest of the scenario
30:58 <Steven> win it, you elect not to raise your old body as you have a new one.
31:07 <Steven> Your character is reported as dead.
31:12 <Mort-> Anytime you want if you got suitable stuff near by
31:20 <Mort-> So you probably get some monsterous beastie or a human
31:22 <Steven> because you failed to clear a condition gained during the course of a scenario.
31:40 <Mort-> I guess its better if its done in a normal campaign
32:10 <Mort-> Oh well. Nice thought anyway.
32:19 <Steven> yeah, in a home brew its a great class
32:23 <Steven> in pfs not so much
32:35 <Mort-> But get used to wearing a hat of disguise forever
32:36 <Mort-> After
32:38 <Steven> i mean you still get to magic jar, but you give up a major hex to do that
32:48 <Mort-> Because you're now a 4 armed monstrosity
33:10 <Mort-> Eschew materials a must
33:19 <Mort-> Can't have your spell component pouch after
33:32 <Mort-> Due to size you may even make a decent melee combatant
34:02 <Mort-> Interesting. Arcane strike for more goodies if you want to melee
34:12 <Mort-> Need a greater hat of disguise or alter self
36:25 <Mort-> Its a bit like a syns power up suit actually
43:08 <niconorsk> Question: If I take split slot arcane discovery and split my arcane school bonus slot, do my two new slots have to be used for my arcane school?
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11:08 <Avatar> might actually be worth taking improved unarmed strike now and ki throw at 7th
11:25 <Avatar> the ability to throw a tripped guy into any square you threaten is pretty incredible
12:36 <Avatar> hell of a lot better than reposition
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23:59 <Avatar> IUS seems a bit laughable on a character with 7 str
25:58 <niconorsk> What class is your character?
30:47 <Avatar> archaeologist/lore warden/mysterious stranger
32:14 <niconorsk> Do you realize ki throw requires to succeed on a unarmed trip attack in order to use it?
33:39 <Avatar> oh shit, does it
34:14 <Avatar> no that's fucked then
36:53 <niconorsk> Can I see your character out of curiosity?
37:03 <Avatar> yeah I'll just upload it again
37:43 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
43:50 <niconorsk> Yeah, can't say I can think of anything more creative than just taking greater trip next
44:14 <Avatar> throw anything might be good
44:45 <niconorsk> What would you be throwing?
44:52 <Avatar> anything !
45:05 <Avatar> it is a good pre-req for a bunch of better feats
47:01 <Avatar> it's a shame there's not many better splash weapons to get
47:06 <niconorsk> It is? The only one I can find is improvised weapon mastery
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48:11 <niconorsk> ah, and ricochet splash weapon I suppose
48:13 <Avatar> richochet splash weapon
53:32 <niconorsk> There's not much in splash weapons in terms of damage, but there's a lot of utility and debuff ones
58:30 <Hydrazine> Evenin'
08:40 <Hydrazine> Hey Avatar, how'd you get a +1 heirloom weapon?
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21:27 <niconorsk> For that matter, I don't think meteor hammer can be an heirloom weapon in the first place. It's exotic
22:45 <Steven> it can be
23:17 <Steven> also, you can get an heirloom weapon masterworked by having a cleric cast the masterwork transformation on it
23:34 <Steven> then it is legal for +1ing
26:00 <niconorsk> So is the meteor hammer not an exotic weapon or am I wrong about the simple or martial requirement?
28:39 <Steven> fun stuff
42:57 <Hydrazine> Its exotic.
44:48 <Avatar> masterwork transformation carries over through sessions now, letting you +1 an heirloom weapon
47:05 <Avatar> how did I get proficient with an exotic weapon
48:34 <Steven> oh shit... i gotta go to sleep
48:46 <Steven> i got a game to GM tomorrow in the afternoon
49:00 <Steven> alright.... goin to sleep
52:54 <Steven> be ready to get butt hurt tomorrow!
53:02 <Avatar> apparently you don't need proficiency to make combat maneuvers anyway
56:17 <Hydrazine> So suck that -4 nonprof penalty?
57:30 <Steven> you dont need proficiency to make combat maneuvers unless of course you are making the attempt with a weapon...
57:46 <Avatar> the feat says -4 to attacks
58:13 <Avatar> "attack rolls"
58:39 <Hydrazine> cmbs are attack rolls, Avatar.
59:17 <Avatar> ug it's like an attack of opportunity isn't it
59:44 <Avatar> man that's going to break my character
00:08 <Hydrazine> lol, following the rules breaks your character?
00:15 <Steven> i hate it when that happens.
00:19 <niconorsk> Yup, sorry, better to have him break now though than in the middle of a game. 
00:20 <Avatar> fixing it up will
00:51 <Avatar> I can't sell the heirloom weapon for another one I'm proficient with
02:16 <Hydrazine> Yes, combat maneuvers are considered an attack roll. One of the perks of this is that everything that can logically benefit your attack roll would benefit a maneuver aswell.
02:46 <niconorsk> Well, I would argue that the meteor hammer as a heirloom weapon was never legal in the first place as heirloom weapon requires a simple or martial weapon
03:06 <Steven> yeah buddy... i like adding my weapon enhancement to trip attacks with my fauchard
03:16 <Avatar> can't heirloom weapon be exotic
03:26 <Hydrazine> Not anymore.
03:38 <Hydrazine> Thats what I did with Jerus, Steven.
04:01 <Avatar> I'm not seeing it say it can't be exotic ?
04:01 <Hydrazine> Or things like weapon training
04:07 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/equipment-traits/heirloom-weapon
04:08 <niconorsk> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/equipment-traits/heirloom-weapon
04:19 <Avatar> simple or martial
04:21 <Avatar> shit
04:36 <Hydrazine> ...
04:38 <Steven> its lying to you avatar dont believe it
04:41 <Hydrazine> You mean the first line?
04:46 <Avatar> don't be a smartass
04:46 <Hydrazine> Who reads that?
05:36 <Hydrazine> With an unarmed monk, pretty much everything applies to CMB aswell as attack, huh?
08:03 <Steven> im always a smart ass
19:03 <Hydrazine> Why is a cold weather outfit a +5 and a hot weather only a +2?
23:53 <niconorsk> Because clothes that make you warmer are a lot easier than clothes that make you cooler,.
37:32 <Hydrazine> ..Good answer.
43:30 <Hydrazine> 24str is +7. so 2h damage is..+10. 28 is +9.. +13.
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49:42 <Hydrazine> FS runs are 2PP?
56:38 <niconorsk> FS runs?
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