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00:22 <Avatar> so the books on a laptop are fine in both cases
00:23 <Mekkis> if you want to use resources from the a PDF, print the relevant pages out
00:30 <Mekkis> it's not that hard
00:35 <Avatar> there's no need
00:57 <Avatar> that's like saying photocopy the relevant pages out of your rulebook that pertain to your character
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01:04 <Mekkis> I do
01:12 <Avatar> why
01:34 <Avatar> you photocopy pages out of CRB,UC,UM,APG ?
01:41 <Mekkis> it's faster than either opening up an electronic device and finding the relevant page, or opening up the book and finding the relevant page
02:22 <Mekkis> not CRB, UM or APG, because I generally carry them to the game and I'm pretty confident in my ability to find the relevant information
02:42 <Avatar> so it's okay if those are on a laptop
02:47 <Mekkis> but if I'm using some obscure trait out of Blood of Angels, then I'll bring a photocopy of it
02:56 <Mekkis> no.
03:00 <Avatar> what if you brought blood of angels
03:46 <Mekkis> as a softcover, or as a PDF?
04:07 <Avatar> softcover
04:33 <Mekkis> I still carry a photocopy
04:54 <Avatar> why
05:00 <Mekkis> simply because it's in the folder along with Kernigahn's character sheet and chronicle sheets
05:03 <Avatar> aren't you confident in your ability to find the relevant information
05:27 <Mekkis> not in Blood of Angels, no.
05:40 <Mekkis> I don't refer to that book as often as I refer to the CRB or APG
05:48 <Avatar> what if you could be confident
06:50 <Mekkis> I probably would still bring the photocopy because it's more convenient. If a GM wants to audit my sheet, I just hand over the folder which contains everything outside the GM-core-assumption that would be required for an audit.
07:28 <Avatar> so if you could confidently and conveniently find something on a laptop, that would be fine
07:40 <Mekkis> my experience with laptops is that you can't
07:56 <Avatar> I don't know, usually clicking a tab and searching for a string works pretty well
08:03 <Avatar> it's what makes online gaming better than in person gaming for me
08:03 <Mekkis> PDFs - especially Paizo PDFs - take time to open
08:09 <Avatar> as a GM
08:51 <Mekkis> Laptops use power, and that can't always be guaranteed. Plus, there are variables such as system crashes, and distractions that can also come up from time to time.
09:20 <Avatar> paper is also subject to burning from fire or tearing from carelessness
09:34 <Avatar> also ink blotches
10:04 <Mekkis> when's the last time you've seen a laptop made inoperable, either through a crash or running out of power?
11:21 <Mekkis> paper is very durable - even after being torn, or wet, it's still readable... And a $40 laser printer doesn't leave ink blotches
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36:33 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/spirit-of-freedom.pdf
36:38 <Mekkis> Ulzef, this is a start
36:41 <Mekkis> need to work on the font
36:47 <Mekkis> should the crate have perspective?
36:57 * Mort- pokes mekkis
38:19 <Ulzef> looks awesome
38:57 <Ulzef> try the crate in the same mat blue with light blue highlights on a red back ground?
42:33 <Mort-> You guys are evil
42:40 <Mort-> No crates
43:02 <Ulzef> nah neutral
53:41 <Mekkis> I'll see what I can do
57:14 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/spirit-of-freedom2.pdf
59:15 <Mekkis> not changing the background: it should be transparent
59:28 <Mekkis> if you want a red background, print it on a red canvas
59:54 <Mekkis> (or just print it on a grey background, like the "Official" andoran shirt
59:57 <Mekkis> )
01:01 <Mekkis> regardless, Mort-, UM/UC/APG are pretty much required. I'm more interested in the fact that you'd go out and pay $10 for book 3 of an AP in order to take a trait...
01:37 <Mort-> I told you that book is in the gameshop
01:55 <Mekkis> I told you that that's not the same as owning it
02:17 <Mort-> Its in player guide
02:34 <Mort-> Which is given to anyone playing lof
02:49 <Mort-> I actually have sd player guide as well
05:11 <Ulzef> i have random AP books for Items and classes and the like
06:35 <Mekkis> I think I got one
06:50 <Mekkis> because the Dream Journal is Just That Good
09:00 <Mort-> Hm
09:25 <Mort-> What do i bring if I'm going to carrion hill
15:11 <Avatar> what book is dream journal in again
23:02 <Mort-> Pathfinder adventure #27 what lies in dust
24:44 <Avatar> that might be worth $13 just for the journal
25:00 <Avatar> I did buy a t-shirt
34:15 <Steven> rawr!
34:35 <Steven> what up
39:48 <Wrothmonk> Youtube is the sworn enemy of sleep.
40:02 <Steven> no... thats cocaine
17:53 <Ulzef> you still around mek?
21:40 <Steven> he might not be, but im here, which is better
21:52 <Steven> cause im more helpful...
21:54 <Steven> okay not really
22:07 <Steven> im totaly half ass
22:16 <Ulzef> lol except for when i want to ask him something for WotW
28:16 <Mekkis> I'm sort of here
29:19 <Ulzef> you care if i roll up a secoundary for WotW bourd atm and have a idea for a character i wanna tinker with
30:49 <Ulzef> and i find its always good to have a back up concept for when you die which seems to happen in pathfinder
22:56 <Mekkis> Ulzef, actually, I'd rather you wait until after next session before you roll up a backup character
23:24 <Ulzef> kk
23:26 <Mekkis> because over the next two sessions, there should be a lot of changes
23:27 <Ulzef> np
23:45 <Mekkis> also, I need to ask a few questions of your character
24:27 <Ulzef> sure what you need to know
30:00 <Mekkis> what do you think of the second version of the crate?
30:39 <Ulzef> yeah was nice 
30:47 <Ulzef> now to get it on some shirts
31:33 <Mekkis> I'll need to adjust the text first
32:38 <Mekkis> hmmm
32:56 <Mekkis> the text on the faction symbol is different to the text on the T-Shirt
36:51 <Mekkis> also: Vistaprint doesn't colour-match well
36:58 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Andoran_swordbomber_T-Shirt.jpg
37:30 * Mort- lurks
38:26 * Mekkis puts a laser dot on Mort- 
38:34 * Mort- appears
39:11 * Mort- pads out into the sunlight then pulls her hood over her neck
39:44 <Mort-> Argh the light. The LIGHT!
39:49 <Mekkis> you're conspicuously trying to appear inconspicuous
39:56 <Mekkis> or... you're a dhampir!
39:57 <Hydrazine> Mortpire?
40:36 <Mekkis> last time I was in Andoran, I successfully drew on the crowd's xenophobia of dhampir!
40:55 <Mort-> Dude. I can't stand raw garlic
41:04 <Mort-> Pallies make me sneeza
41:05 <Mekkis> mmmm
41:06 <Mort-> Sneeze.
41:07 <Mekkis> garlic
41:20 <Mort-> And i have to have a rare steak occasionally
41:22 * Mekkis rolls up an Italian paladin!
41:56 <Mort-> I tried satisfying my cravings for blood with blood cockles but ended up with a stomach ache
41:57 <Mort-> :(
42:17 <Mekkis> you should get in the nice box, Mort-
42:27 <Mekkis> and join the Spirit!
43:06 <Mort-> No?
43:14 <Mort-> You're trying to crate me
43:26 <Mekkis> Would I really do such a thing to you?
43:29 <Mort-> Or. I could be hung over
43:43 <Mort-> They had really good white wine out there
43:47 <Mort-> Muscato
44:02 <Mort-> Sweet. Like drinking cherries
45:48 <Mort-> Oh wonderful stuff.
46:07 * Mort- casts penumbra on herself
46:11 <Mort-> Betterp
09:40 <Steven> alright back.... um....
09:44 <Steven> i dunno what kind of creature to get.
09:48 <Steven> for my familiar
09:54 <Mekkis> a rat
10:37 <Steven> if they would ever refund my paizocon ticket
11:00 <Steven> ide get Animal archive
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12:01 <Steven> i kinda want a leech
12:43 <Steven> damn there is no leech familiar
14:13 <Mekkis>  get a mongoose!
14:46 <Steven> that just doesnt feel very Blight Druid
14:55 <Mekkis> oh
15:02 <Mekkis> you're talking for WotW
15:12 <Mekkis> I thought you were talking for something else
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15:22 <Mekkis> Viper
15:33 <Mekkis> Hedgehog
15:37 <Mekkis> Giant Isopod 
15:44 <Steven> skunk...
15:52 <Mekkis> ooh
16:00 <Ulzef> blight druids have familars? i thought they got compainions they just are verminy
16:17 <Steven> they get to pick a wizard familiar
16:23 <Ulzef> kk
16:49 <Steven> later i will sacrifice it to a demon
17:01 <Mekkis> a daemon, right?
17:16 <Mekkis> the familiar will call execve()
17:41 <Steven> yeah the NG ones
17:43 <Steven> errrr
17:45 <Steven> NE even
18:34 <Steven> yeah im thinking skunk
19:07 <Steven> saves are now 7/-1/7
19:39 <Steven> once i level up 8/-1/8 lol
19:52 <Steven> guess what i rolled an 8 in lol
20:27 <Steven> im thinking the skunks name should be Penelope
25:27 <Ulzef> -1 not so bad my fort is -2
25:45 <Steven> do familiars get feats and shit? i've never built one before
28:31 <Mekkis> not really
28:49 <Steven> does the skunk come with weapon finesse even as a familiar?
28:58 <Mekkis> I don't see why not
29:07 <Mekkis> they keep all their standard feats
29:47 <Steven> okay, i was just concerned the familiar would have -4 to bite/claw just for becoming a familiar
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55:58 <Mekkis> Steven, I've been reading one of the board arguments
56:29 <Mekkis> it seems that the guide is phrased in such a way that I could bring a USB stick with the watermarked PDFs on it and that would be sufficient for me to use Additional Resources
58:49 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know when you plan to run devil we know 2
01:14 <Mekkis> Hell, I'll bring a USB stick formatted with an obscure filesystem that noone can read, with the PDFs on it.
01:28 <Mekkis> or... a pile of floppy disks!
02:50 <Tashes> How hipster
03:17 <Mekkis> :)
03:30 <Tashes> You'd need skinnier jeans tho
05:06 <Mekkis> what's another format the noone uses?
05:49 <Mekkis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card#IBM_80_column_punched_card_format
06:07 <YibTstll> CoC?
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21:30 <Mekkis> Steven, did you manage to get your hands on that PDF?
48:55 <Avatar> link us that board argument mekki
48:56 <Avatar> s
49:38 <Mekkis> p5 of the guide
52:38 <Avatar> are you experimenting to try and be as dodgy as possible
53:13 <Mekkis> no
53:32 <Mekkis> it's actually a discrepancy between the guide and the additional resources page
53:52 <Mekkis> the additional resources page says that you either need a watermarked printout or a physical book
54:05 <Mekkis> the guide says that you can also bring a watermarked PDF
54:39 <Mekkis> and people are interpreting that to mean that they should be permitted to use laptops on the table, even if the GM doesn't want you to
55:03 <Avatar> if your rulebooks are on a laptop, then obviously you need it
55:14 <Avatar> the idea is you can open the book up and show the GM the rule
58:42 <Mekkis> if your rulebooks are on a laptop, then you should print the relevant pages out
59:21 <Mekkis> and if you think you're too good to need a printer, spare a thought for what the GMs are printing out for every session they run
00:14 <Avatar> they don't print them out if they have their own laptop or tablet
00:33 <Mekkis> I don't see the connection
00:58 <Avatar> so the books on a laptop are fine in both cases
00:59 <Mekkis> if you want to use resources from the a PDF, print the relevant pages out
01:06 <Mekkis> it's not that hard
01:10 <Avatar> there's no need
01:32 <Avatar> that's like saying photocopy the relevant pages out of your rulebook that pertain to your character
01:40 <Mekkis> I do
01:47 <Avatar> why
02:09 <Avatar> you photocopy pages out of CRB,UC,UM,APG ?
02:16 <Mekkis> it's faster than either opening up an electronic device and finding the relevant page, or opening up the book and finding the relevant page
02:57 <Mekkis> not CRB, UM or APG, because I generally carry them to the game and I'm pretty confident in my ability to find the relevant information
03:17 <Avatar> so it's okay if those are on a laptop
03:23 <Mekkis> but if I'm using some obscure trait out of Blood of Angels, then I'll bring a photocopy of it
03:32 <Mekkis> no.
03:35 <Avatar> what if you brought blood of angels
04:22 <Mekkis> as a softcover, or as a PDF?
04:42 <Avatar> softcover
05:08 <Mekkis> I still carry a photocopy
05:29 <Avatar> why
05:36 <Mekkis> simply because it's in the folder along with Kernigahn's character sheet and chronicle sheets
05:38 <Avatar> aren't you confident in your ability to find the relevant information
06:03 <Mekkis> not in Blood of Angels, no.
06:16 <Mekkis> I don't refer to that book as often as I refer to the CRB or APG
06:23 <Avatar> what if you could be confident
07:25 <Mekkis> I probably would still bring the photocopy because it's more convenient. If a GM wants to audit my sheet, I just hand over the folder which contains everything outside the GM-core-assumption that would be required for an audit.
08:03 <Avatar> so if you could confidently and conveniently find something on a laptop, that would be fine
08:15 <Mekkis> my experience with laptops is that you can't
08:31 <Avatar> I don't know, usually clicking a tab and searching for a string works pretty well
08:38 <Avatar> it's what makes online gaming better than in person gaming for me
08:39 <Mekkis> PDFs - especially Paizo PDFs - take time to open
08:44 <Avatar> as a GM
09:27 <Mekkis> Laptops use power, and that can't always be guaranteed. Plus, there are variables such as system crashes, and distractions that can also come up from time to time.
09:55 <Avatar> paper is also subject to burning from fire or tearing from carelessness
10:09 <Avatar> also ink blotches
10:39 <Mekkis> when's the last time you've seen a laptop made inoperable, either through a crash or running out of power?
11:57 <Mekkis> paper is very durable - even after being torn, or wet, it's still readable... And a $40 laser printer doesn't leave ink blotches
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30:21 <Wrothmonk> I just did some math and emptying my trash on my computer will take 6 hours. Here I am sitting here thinking; "What the hell did I put in that thing!"
37:13 <Wrothmonk> So just a fair warning, next pas game were playing, I may be lagging a little bit since I will be emptying my virtual trash for the entire game.
37:17 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
57:46 <Mekkis> wrothmonk: just format
57:59 <Wrothmonk> ?
58:28 <Mekkis> reinstall 
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07:28 <Wrothmonk> at only needing ~10% of my total data deleted? No thanks.
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48:39 <Azadoroz> Allo
48:46 <Wrothmonk> Hello
48:52 <Mekkis> moin
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49:56 <Mekkis> that's rude
54:37 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA | WotW: Sat 2nd 2pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
54:37 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Feb 24 16:28:30 2013
54:37 <***> Buffer Playback...
54:37 <***> Playback Complete.
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30:58 <Mort-> Hm
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59:25 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know when you plan to run devil we know 2
06:28 <Mekkis> hmmm
07:06 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know when you plan to run devil we know 2
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20:57 <Mekkis> Sunday 10th
21:07 <Mekkis> 11am
37:27 <Mekkis> Ulzef, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/spirit_of_freedom_tshirt_.pdf
39:20 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sun 10th 11am (tier 1-7,Mekkis) | WotW: Sat 2nd 2pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
39:58 <Avatar> Ryan`: do you play PFS
45:09 <Mekkis> Ulzef, what's your TShirt size?
47:40 <Mekkis> Avatar, want a Spirit of Freedom shirt?
48:08 <Mekkis> (or mug, or mousepad)?
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56:15 <Avatar> does it give a shirt reroll
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57:54 <Mekkis> Maybe
10:54 <Mekkis> Ulzef_hates_mIRC, what's your TShirt size?
11:34 <Mekkis> US XXL?
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39:06 <Mekkis> Valsin's a Rogue/Sorcerer?
41:43 <Avatar> that's lucianus' character
41:57 <Avatar> oh my god
42:04 <Avatar> does lucianus run the grand lodge in absalom?
42:19 <Mekkis> I think so
42:25 <Mekkis> why does Buck work for that guy?
51:01 <Avatar> he works for ulzef
12:15 <Steven> i have hotwings... they are tasty
17:31 <Avatar> I need to set up a game for this sunday
21:36 <Steven> yeah you do... lazy bastard
22:50 <Avatar> what do you want to play steven
22:57 <Steven> i wont be able to play
23:00 <Steven> i got stuffs to do
23:56 <Avatar> always with the stuffs
24:06 <Avatar> if I didn't know any better I would say you don't like PFS
30:56 <Wrothmonk> I just did some math and emptying my trash on my computer will take 6 hours. Here I am sitting here thinking; "What the hell did I put in that thing!"
34:20 <Brunius> Man
34:21 <Brunius> Lucianus
34:39 <Brunius> Are the bets currently on him coming back or the world ending?
37:24 <Avatar> world ending
37:49 <Wrothmonk> So just a fair warning, next pas game were playing, I may be lagging a little bit since I will be emptying my virtual trash for the entire game.
37:52 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
58:22 <Mekkis> wrothmonk: just format
58:34 <Wrothmonk> ?
59:03 <Mekkis> reinstall 
06:55 <Mekkis> Avatar: run Haunting 
07:09 <Avatar> I've already run it
07:33 <Mekkis> which means that less prep is needed
07:50 <Mekkis> do you want to run Devil We Know II?
08:03 <Wrothmonk> at only needing ~10% of my total data deleted? No thanks.
08:10 <Avatar> I don't remember it
08:18 <Avatar> if you want to I'm happy for you to do it
08:31 <Avatar> something about kaer maga 
08:38 <Avatar> or is that city of strangers
10:48 <Avatar> I bought pallid plague, infernal vault, murder on the throaty mermaid, perils of the pirates pact, red harvest, storming the diamond gate, cultist's kiss, blakros matrimony and the disappeared
10:49 <Brunius> think thats cos
10:54 <Avatar> they're the ones I haven't run yet
11:59 <Mekkis> I'm not fussed about who runs Devil We Know II: I thought you hadn't run it...
12:38 <Mekkis> It'll be my second or third run...
12:41 <Avatar> yeah I haven't, but I haven't bought it either
12:49 <Avatar> I'll run it if you want to do something else that day
12:57 <Mekkis> get Steven to supply it.
13:08 <Avatar> can steven supply a PDF copy
13:49 <Mekkis> I'm currently waiting on a phone call. If I receive it, I might need to pull the plug on a few games this month
13:49 <Avatar> I generally don't mind paying $3 or $4 for a scenario
14:12 <Avatar> alright I'll wait for you then
14:22 <Mekkis> But I thought you were looking at running something on the 3rd
14:44 <Avatar> I was if you're running something on the 2nd
14:51 <Mekkis> I am
14:58 <Mekkis> WotW, remember?
15:07 <Avatar> oh, woops
17:21 <Mekkis> so if you wanted some sweet sweet 1-7 credit, you could run Devil We Know this weekend...
18:04 <Avatar> it's actually better next weekend so I can level up James to level 6
18:22 <Mekkis> I thought you'
18:24 <Mekkis> ah
19:16 <Mekkis> I can find something else to run if you want it... Maybe Fortress of the Nail or Golemworks
19:50 <Avatar> I'll find something else
20:04 <Mekkis> DWK III?
20:14 <Avatar> a scenario I've played
20:21 <Avatar> did anyone miss out on playing last weekend
20:32 <Mekkis> I did!
20:47 <Wrothmonk> Did sutek ever come to the game? I'm not sure.
20:55 <Wrothmonk> I don't think he did.
20:55 <Avatar> sutekh played on sunday
20:59 <Mekkis> he did?!
21:10 <Avatar> yeah he played his invincible wizard
21:17 <Wrothmonk> Oh.
21:31 <Mekkis> in here?
21:32 <Mekkis> really?
21:37 <Avatar> yeah 
21:47 <Mekkis> in Devil We Know 1?
22:07 <Avatar> no, in the one we played that I can't remember the name of
22:24 <Mekkis> oh, offline?
22:33 <Avatar> he lives in wa
23:07 <Avatar> mekkis haven't you played the disappeared
23:22 <Mekkis> no, but from what I've heard, it's something that should be played in person
23:32 <Avatar> great scenario
23:38 <Avatar> I could run the darkest vengeance
23:44 <Avatar> you haven't played that
23:50 <Mekkis> I'd play it, if you'd allow me to
23:53 <Avatar> eye for an eye
24:11 <Mekkis> given that you know that I've read it, a few years ago
24:12 <Avatar> I'd have to adjust accordingly to your metagaming
24:25 <Mekkis> I'll try and avoid metagaming
24:34 <Avatar> you can't avoid metagaming darkest vengeance
25:04 <Mekkis> no more than you can avoid metagaming FS3
25:28 <Avatar> you can easily avoid metagaming fs3
25:33 <Avatar> I have done it repeatedly
25:34 <Mekkis> no you can't
25:52 <Avatar> the last time I ran that you should have seen what happened
26:06 <Mekkis> trying to lead the rest of the party into a "failure" condition is as bad as making sure that they get a "success" condition
26:06 <Avatar> they did the exchange and then guess what they did
26:16 <Mekkis> walked away, happy?
26:25 <Avatar> they all just watched
26:47 <Avatar> I actually had to slow them down
27:10 <Avatar> the bad guys got confused that their plan A hadn't come to fruition
27:56 <Avatar> I can't bring myself to run darkest vengeance
28:18 <Avatar> not unless I warn everyone to bring characters they don't mind losing
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49:14 <Azadoroz> Allo
49:21 <Wrothmonk> Hello
49:28 <Mekkis> moin
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50:32 <Mekkis> that's rude
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57:50 <Mort-> Ello
12:02 <Wrothmonk> Hello
12:34 <Mekkis> hello, Mort- 
12:45 <Mekkis> want to play Darkest Vengeance?
13:10 <Avatar> lol
14:14 <Mekkis> "Wow... an MP5. Now I can solve six hundred problems a minute!"
19:26 <Mort-> Already played that
19:37 <Mekkis> I don't believe you
19:42 <Mort-> We played down
19:44 <Mort-> Seriously
19:57 <Mekkis> the GM either ran it wrong, you metagamed, or you're lying about how many dead characters you have
20:02 <Mort-> Apl was 3. We played down
20:16 <Mort-> Shush you
20:41 <Mort-> Seriously
20:55 <Mort-> I'm just a mur trying to live around in the world
21:44 <Mort-> If it helps - we had 2 aasimars in party
21:58 <Mekkis> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
22:13 <Mort-> Some of us had dark vision to boot
22:20 <Mort-> But never mind
22:21 <Mekkis> and? 
22:25 <Mort-> Not much
22:28 <Mekkis> doesn't work in deeper darkness!
22:33 <Mekkis> so the GM ran it wrong :)
33:38 <Mekkis> looks like Deceased gets to play Fortress of the Nail
33:42 <Mekkis> will be an interesting party
33:46 <Mekkis> three arcanists
40:39 <Mekkis> And defunct
47:13 <Mekkis> Avatar, why don't you run Ruby Phoenix Tournament?
14:56 <Avatar> we need some level 11s for that
20:53 <Wrothmonk> Whats the penalty for not being proficient in using shields while using one?
21:03 <Mort-> Acp
21:21 <Mort-> If you are not an arcane caster use dark wood shield
21:27 <Mort-> No acp
21:43 <Mort-> If you are use a mithril buckler
22:12 <Wrothmonk> I'm thinking about getting a mithral light shield for rumil.
22:35 <Mort-> Just check the arcane spell failure
22:39 <Mort-> Be careful on that
23:46 <Wrothmonk> -10% on the arcane spell failure since its mithral. and it removes the acp, anything else I should be worried about?
24:11 <Mort-> Not that i know off
24:21 <Wrothmonk> Just double checking.
24:32 <Mort-> It'll affect your touch attack spells but since you don't have any
24:45 <Wrothmonk> oh....
24:48 <Mort-> Or not
24:51 <Mort-> Not sure
24:57 <Wrothmonk> I didn't think about that, somatic components...
25:04 <Mort-> Doesn't matter
25:06 <Wrothmonk> thats gestures right?
25:18 <Mort-> That's your arcane spell failure chance
25:29 <Wrothmonk> Oh so I don't need a hand open?
25:39 <Wrothmonk> I thought for sure I did...
26:02 <Mort-> Technically not too many people bother about the hand bit
26:19 <Mort-> Else I'm not sure how battle clerics function
26:37 <Mort-> Its like they carry their sword and shield and wade into melee
27:07 <Wrothmonk> gah what page is the explanation for components on?
27:16 <Mort-> Magic probably
27:23 <Mort-> Free action to take out whatever you want
27:29 * Wrothmonk face palm I was looking in spells
27:31 <Wrothmonk> silly me
27:47 <Mort-> I mean how does a battle cleric cast shield of faith on himself
28:05 <Mort-> Then go smacky next round
29:00 <Avatar> mort what levels are your characters
29:04 <Mort-> Not 11
29:11 <Mort-> Also unlikely to play here
29:19 <Avatar> but what levels are they
29:19 <Wrothmonk> Somatic (S): A somatic component is a measured and precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one hand free to provide a somatic component.
29:35 <Mort-> About the same where we left off
29:43 <Mort-> I think most people skip that one
29:46 <Wrothmonk> next question is which of my spells have somatic components if any...
29:53 <Mort-> Almost all
29:53 <Avatar> about 90% of them
30:17 <Mort-> How does a cleric cast shield of faith and walk in with his battle axe to beat face?
30:20 <Avatar> what do you mean same where we left off
30:26 <Wrothmonk> Well I don't like taking the chance on the gm pointing it out. Mekkis probably would, no offense.
30:27 <Avatar> haven't you been playing
30:36 <Mort-> Not that much
30:43 <Mort-> Too much vanguard :d
30:45 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, using a shield while casting? Sure
30:54 <Mort-> I wouldn't be arsed frankly
30:59 <Wrothmonk> wait really?
31:05 <Mekkis> yeah
31:09 <Mekkis> there's no problem with that
31:24 <Wrothmonk> hem… wait shields are normally strapped to the arms yes?
31:30 <Mekkis> one arm
31:31 <Avatar> if the rules say having a shield interferes with spellcasting, then it interferes
31:39 <Avatar> everyone should be playing by that ruling
31:40 <Mekkis> it does
31:48 <Mekkis> it's called an arcane spell failure
32:01 <Avatar> yeah
32:02 <Wrothmonk> Which mithral cancels out :D
32:03 <Mort-> I think its fine a cleric cast shield of faith then hits people
32:05 <Avatar> how can you say some GMs dont bother with that
32:18 <Mort-> You need a hand free
32:25 <Mort-> The hand free part is the part i question
32:32 <Mekkis> because I've only twice seen a character with a nonzero arcane spell failure who was casting arcane spells
32:36 <Avatar> if you have the benefits of a shield, you take the penalty
32:58 <Mort-> - arcane spell failure is find
33:03 <Mort-> Fine
33:13 <Wrothmonk> Shield, Light; Wooden or Steel: You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand. A light shield’s weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although you cannot use weapons with it.
33:39 <Avatar> yeah when you 'ready' a shield, you're not just holding it in your hand, you strap it on your arm
33:47 <Mort-> Ah
33:48 <Avatar> takes longer to take off
33:56 <Avatar> and provokes I think?
34:12 <Mort-> If you can cast with shield its ok really
34:13 <Mekkis> I thought it was a move action that doesn't provoke, but I could be wrong
34:32 <Avatar> I know it's not like a weapon
34:35 <Wrothmonk> So yeah, looks fine to cast spells with.
34:43 <Wrothmonk> Mithral shield for Rumil then :D
34:50 <Mort-> Ok that was an interest piece of logic
35:05 <Mort-> Can't be arsed about my ac generally
35:10 <Mort-> Just hide my sorry bum
35:22 <Mort-> Probably why you can never find me doing front line stuff
35:29 <Mekkis> that's pretty typical for a caster of over third level
35:38 * Mort- is afterall. One small mur
35:47 <Mort-> I hide a lot
36:12 <Mort-> Well there was once...it involved ghouls and holy wave
36:13 <Mort-> Water
36:32 <Mort-> Since i happened to be immune to that stuff..
36:48 <Mekkis> the ghouls or the holy water?
37:05 <Mort-> I poured holy water on them
37:17 <Mort-> I had like 17 ac with mage armor on
37:30 <Mekkis> that's decent against ghouls
37:36 <Mekkis> they're at a +2 or so
37:52 <Avatar> here we go 
37:56 <Avatar> putting on a shield is a move action
37:58 <Mort-> You do what you have to do sometimes :(
38:01 <Avatar> removing it and dropping it is a move action
38:10 <Mort-> It made me unhappy :(
38:31 <Mort-> Do you think I'm not immune to holy water?
38:48 <Mort-> I'm not undead.
38:51 <Avatar> how did you get to 17 ac
38:59 <Mort-> 16 dex dude
39:05 <Avatar> der
39:12 <Mort-> And mage armor
39:22 <Mort-> I did do some archery at low levels
39:45 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has about 20AC
39:45 <Avatar> it doesn't say whether readying or removing a shield provokes
39:46 <Mort-> If you have longbow prof you must as well use it when you're out of spells
39:52 <Mekkis> (at level 11, so it's pretty stupid)
39:58 <Mort-> I still have 17
40:00 <Mort-> I fly
40:14 <Mekkis> I think Deceased has 16AC
40:14 <Avatar> ready or drop a shield provokes = no 
40:31 <Mort-> Oh well how you want to do it is your problem
41:00 <Mekkis> Mytiazair relies on invisibility and mundane stealth
41:15 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+57 stealth
41:15 <Mort-> Anyway you could pour holy water on me and nothing would happen
41:17 <diebot> Mekkis, stealth: [1d20=6] 63
41:39 <Wrothmonk> Does BAB allow you to draw a shield similar to a weapon as part of moving?
41:49 <Avatar> you can pour holy water on most non-undead and nothing would happen
41:53 <Mort-> Weapon yes. Shield not sure
41:57 <Mekkis> RAW, no. In practise, probably
42:11 * Mort- is a magical beastie
42:16 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: no
42:21 <Mekkis> as long as you can define your shield as a "weapon", you're fine
42:30 <Wrothmonk> which you cant.
42:32 <Mort-> Improvised weapon
42:37 <Mekkis> exactly!
42:37 <Avatar> it's not a "weapon", it's "armor"
42:40 <Wrothmonk> I've read that several times in the shield section :P
42:47 <Mort-> I make a shield bash because it looks cool
43:00 <Mort-> There is a shield bash feat chain even
43:12 <Mort-> You shield bash that guy against the wall
43:24 <Mort-> He falls prone if you beat his cmd
43:37 <Mort-> Also shield is one way you can do lethal damage
43:46 <Mort-> Unless you have improved unarmed strike
43:59 <Mort-> Your unarmed strikes are non lethal and provoke aoos
44:39 <Mekkis> like drawing wands out of an efficient quiver
45:01 <Mort-> Assuming you got caught in a tavern with no weapons i wouldn't be surprised if someone tells me i grab a table and shove that guy into a wall with the table
45:04 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, regardless, you're probably using your shield constantly too
45:23 <Mort-> Or i bonk that guy with a bar stool
45:28 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I'll just be keeping it on my arm.
45:37 <Wrothmonk> I don't think it would fit in my backpack 
45:49 <Mort-> It sounds like the perfect tavern brawl
45:56 <Mekkis> http://pixdaus.com/everyone-together-animals-family/items/view/33439/
46:02 <Mekkis> like that brawl?
46:06 <Mort-> I've even met a dwarf who took humble begingings
46:23 <Wrothmonk> I'm surprised there hasn't been a real tavern brawl in the scenarios I've done.
46:28 <Wrothmonk> Half the time were in taverns.
46:43 <Mort-> I did get one before
47:01 <Mekkis> there was a big one in Blood under Absalom
47:02 <Wrothmonk> There are "fights" but thats just between the party and like two dudes.
47:03 <Mort-> That dwarf broke his mug on a half orc head
47:23 <Mekkis> like, 150 people in a tavern, all brawling
47:23 <Mort-> Then he complained that those half orcs owed him a new mug
47:26 <Wrothmonk> I always miss the good scenarios...
47:36 <Mort-> I think he spilt his beer too
47:52 <Wrothmonk> Bashing your mug on something will do that.
48:01 <Wrothmonk> Unless the dwarf caught it in his mouth.
48:13 <Wrothmonk> as it spilt.
48:19 <Mort-> Then there was this barb who grabbed a scorpion and blugeoned another scorpion with it
48:20 <Mekkis> there was something similar in Severing Ties
48:29 <Wrothmonk> XD
49:01 <Mort-> Also uh there was this dwarf who told the elf to turn around when he was climbing up a rope
49:19 <Mort-> Apparently felt that it was embarrassing for an elf to catch him climbing
49:32 <Wrothmonk> ...
49:40 <Mort-> The elf turned her back towards him. Then told her familiar to peek :d
49:55 <Mort-> Oh there was this cinematic scene
49:59 <Wrothmonk> I was just about to say I think I was there when Rumil was an elf...
50:14 <Mort-> This bbeg tries to get out of a room. His escape rope has been greased
50:22 <Wrothmonk> heh.
50:23 <Mort-> So he gets on it. Slips down
50:39 <Mort-> Then this dwarf with a huge battle ax jumps on him from above
50:47 <Mort-> From the window.
50:51 <Wrothmonk> I just realized Rumil has a variable campsite minus the tent… Why am I carrying around this stuff!
50:58 <Mort-> Crits with a battleaxe
51:08 <Mort-> 6d6+12
51:13 <Mort-> At first level ^^
51:46 <Mort-> So you imagine those final fantasy scenes where you jump on the bad guy
52:02 <Mort-> Forgot to mention. That dwarf was enlarged
52:59 <Mort-> Oh well
53:04 <Wrothmonk> I never quite got why dwarfs aren't considered small humanoids… They normally are in fantasy.
53:09 <Wrothmonk> just taller than gnomes.
53:13 <Mort-> And i haven't seen any gnomes recently
53:25 <Wrothmonk> Next level one game you will see a gnome summoner.
53:55 * Wrothmonk AKA the gnome you tried to punt and got a dragon eidolon sent after you.
54:13 <Mort-> I don't play here
54:21 <Wrothmonk> I thought you did...
54:23 <Mort-> So I'm not going to see gnomes :d
54:27 <Mort-> Not anymore!
54:48 <Mort-> O and my last game
54:56 <Mort-> Narrow tunnel.
55:18 <Mort-> I did a cartwheel and tumbled behind the bad guy
55:30 <Mort-> Cut off his escape nicely too :d
55:42 <Mort-> Then backstabbed
00:58 <Brunius-> Moin
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04:41 <Wrothmonk> oh…. I just realized I could get bracers of armor +2 instead of a mithral shield.
13:40 <Mort-> Screw bracers of armor
13:50 <Mort-> Mage armor ftw
14:03 <Wrothmonk> Mage armor won't stack with my mithral chain shirt.
14:17 <Hydralaptop> do bracers of armor stack with regular armor?
14:19 <Mort-> Neither will bracers
14:24 <Mort-> They don't
14:25 <Wrothmonk> wait really?
14:27 <Mort-> Yes
14:32 <Wrothmonk> screw them then!
15:23 <Mort-> Shield on the other hand will stack
15:32 <Mort-> But your best shield is not going first
15:42 <Mort-> Always hide behind someone!
15:56 <Wrothmonk> Meat shields make the best shields.
16:02 <Mort-> Yes!
16:30 <Mort-> I'm good at hiding!
16:37 <Mort-> And you can always hide behind your dragon
16:46 <Mort-> That's perfectly fair
17:03 <Mort-> Though he is probably a big lizard at this stage
17:05 <Mort-> No wings
17:16 <Wrothmonk> Vestigial wings actually.
17:20 <Wrothmonk> no benifit.
17:24 <Wrothmonk> but still, wings.
17:25 <Hydralaptop> yeah. The basic rule of thumb, Wroth
17:43 <Mort-> Hiding behind other pcs can irritate people sometimes
17:49 <Hydralaptop> is that benefits of the same type (such as armor, sacred, profane, luck, morale, etc..) do not stack.
18:02 <Mort-> But no one said you can't hide behind your ac or eid
18:05 <Hydralaptop> The exception is dodge. Dodge bonuses always stack. Which is why its difficult to get more than one to apply at a time.
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19:42 <Wrothmonk> Well Rumil, (sorcerer) doesn't have the eidolon, its technically Eryne now since I realized a 44 year old gnome going on adventures with some of the same guys Rumil has played with wouldn't really fit with him being Rumil's son.
19:59 <Wrothmonk> So no longer Rumil the second :(
22:21 <Hydralaptop> He could've had the son a while ago and now hes old enough to go aventuring?
22:41 <Mekkis> Rumil could be the father of the sorcerer!
23:04 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
23:40 <Wrothmonk> well rumil is 16, so can't exactly have a son older than him...
23:53 <Mekkis> I mean the summoner could be the father
24:06 <Wrothmonk> Well thats an interesting thought.
26:02 <Wrothmonk> Nah I'll just stick with the summoner being Eryne having no connections, less complex.
26:09 <Mekkis> or that
26:51 <Wrothmonk> I just kinda went the whole father son route since I was making a sort of remake of Rumil.
27:10 <Mekkis> Deceased started out as a remake of Mytiazair
27:17 <Mekkis> but he took on a life of his own
27:37 <Wrothmonk> Please tell me that pun wasn't intended.
27:44 <Mekkis> it wasn't
27:55 <Wrothmonk> Good. It was terrible. 
29:02 <Wrothmonk> Well I think I'll keep Eryne under Rumil2 until Rumil dies himself and I properly remake him as a Magus.
29:27 <Wrothmonk> Is that ok?
29:50 <Mekkis> what you should do is take a level in a class that gets banned - then you get a free rebuild!
30:12 <Wrothmonk> Hah, trying to predict that would be somewhat hard.
30:33 <Mekkis> so all you need to do is wait until the next Ultimate book gets released, take the most broken thing in it, and complain loudly on the forums that it's overpowered
30:46 <Wrothmonk> There we go!
31:01 <Wrothmonk> Except then I would look like an ass if it isn't banned.
31:23 <Mekkis> it doesn't even need to be banned
31:28 <Mekkis> it just needs to be errataed
32:09 * Wrothmonk shrug
32:31 <Wrothmonk> I don't think I will complain out of proportion of how broken it is. I'll leave it at that.
33:25 <Wrothmonk> Well thats a plan B
33:34 <Wrothmonk> lets see how fast a melee sorcerer dies!
33:50 <Wrothmonk> I'll try not to just the same though.
34:26 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> melee sorcs work you can get huge str with certain bloodlines
35:10 <Wrothmonk> Rumil is draconic. I was planning on going into dragon disciple for a prestige class.
35:10 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> i would hit a lvl in  fighter and go eldrich knight 
35:55 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> dd has always been a splash class for me
36:11 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> splash grab the str boast then into eldrich knight
36:55 <Wrothmonk> Hrm, certainly looks more interesting than DD
38:07 <Wrothmonk> the question is do I want to go at 5th for fighter or now.
38:16 <Wrothmonk> wait no
38:19 <Wrothmonk> misread table...
38:30 <Wrothmonk> yeah fighter now or after 6th level.
39:23 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> prob now and then some dd for the str
39:26 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> then eld
40:55 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
41:24 <Wrothmonk> if I take fighter now I can still take DD at 6th since all thats left on the requirements is another rank in KN arcana.
41:44 <Mekkis> how many levels of DD would you really take?
41:55 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> it 2 or 4
41:55 <Wrothmonk> the +2 str comes at 2
42:31 <Mekkis> it's also the number of caster levels you're willing to eschew - Magical Knack is unfortunately not legal
43:41 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> true
43:54 <Wrothmonk> well my spells per day still increase with DD
44:02 <Mekkis> that being said, if you're talking going all fightery, I don't think you really mind that much
45:26 <Wrothmonk> Not much. Although I'm taking a look through what spells I would get if I stayed pure sorcerer.
46:34 <Mekkis> if you're going sorcerer/DD, you'll miss out on two levels
46:54 <Mekkis> Sorcerer/DD/Fighter/Edk you'll miss out on four
48:13 <Wrothmonk> actually wait...
48:30 <Wrothmonk> I may not miss out on spells known. Let me double check.
48:39 <Mekkis> you do
48:42 <Mekkis> at DD1 and DD5
48:56 <Mekkis> (and DD9, if you get to level 14)
50:17 <Mekkis> I like the feats you get: Power attack, Toughness, Improved Initiative...
51:24 <Wrothmonk> Under spells per day for DD: -- "He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained, except for additional spells per day, spells known (if he is a spontaneous spellcaster), and an increased effective level of spellcasting."
51:48 <Wrothmonk> It would appear I get the spells as well.
52:57 <Wrothmonk> oh right I do miss out at level one of DD.
53:03 <Mekkis> and again at level 5
53:19 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
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