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41:52 <Mekkis> so
42:09 <Mekkis> I attached Horseshoes of a Zephyr to a pegasus///
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42:33 <Mort-> My paws ache
42:45 <Mekkis> I attached Horseshoes of a Zephyr to a pegasus.
44:41 <Mort-> How do you get a pegasus ac
44:56 <Mekkis> I Called it
44:58 <Mort-> Can i ride a pegasus too?
45:16 <Mekkis> can lemurs ride?
45:21 <Mort-> Can i ride a celestial unicorn with wings?
45:28 <Mort-> I'm sure i can!
45:35 <Mort-> I love doing fun stuff!
45:41 <Mekkis> not with all the torturing you're doing
45:47 <Mort-> Ill look so cool on a flying unicorn
45:51 <Mekkis> at least, probably not...
46:01 <Mort-> Yeah that is a problem
46:16 <Mort-> Don't worry. Undetectable alignment fixes it
47:05 <Mort-> Probably i need to find a nightmare and persuade it :(
47:28 <Mort-> But a celestial winged unicorn would look cool!
48:32 <Mekkis> I'm assuming that Brunius' cleric will be getting a nightmare sometime in the next few months...
49:10 * Mort- mutters quadped hooves gore and wings
49:29 <Mort-> Matter settled. One celestial unicorn coming up!
49:33 * Mekkis mutters about lemurs covered in other people's gore
50:26 * Mort- looks at mekkis with huge guileless black eyes
50:43 <Mekkis> who have your paws been ripping into today?
52:03 <Mort-> I haven't ripped into anyone today!
52:46 * Mort- blinks at mekkis, with a hurt expression on her face
52:56 <Mekkis> true
53:07 <Mekkis> there hasn't yet been an hour today
53:19 <Mekkis> you're always a little early with your midnight torture sessions :)
53:47 * Mort- is hurt. I haven't tortured anyone!
55:08 <Mort-> Hm. Could you ride a quadped with Hooves and gore and how would i play it hm
55:36 <Mort-> Is lancing or hammer throwing better
55:40 <Mekkis> depends
55:51 <Mekkis> do you want to do more damage or take less damage?
56:03 <Mort-> I want to look pretty!
56:07 <Mort-> Lol
56:08 <Mekkis> lance
56:15 <Mort-> I want to look gallant
56:17 <Mekkis> lance
56:18 <Mort-> Heroic
56:21 <Mekkis> lance
56:24 <Mort-> And totally awesome
56:27 <Mekkis> lance
56:34 <Mort-> Ok need to write down someplace
56:47 <Mort-> Summoner riding winged unicorn
57:18 <Mort-> Id get my gods holy symbol on me and my unicorn
57:32 <Mort-> Probably halfling
58:25 <Mekkis> gnome
58:49 <Mort-> Why gnome
58:57 <Mekkis> because gnomes are awesome
59:12 <Mekkis> they live long, interesting lives
59:14 <Mort-> Of course if i were riding a winged unicorn i would probably be a pompous ass
59:29 <Mort-> Halflings have better saves
59:42 <Mekkis> gnomes die less
59:47 <Mekkis> better con
59:49 <Mort-> And have some cool feats when beating people bigger then they are
00:13 <Mekkis> gnomes get the Gnomish Reroll
00:42 <Mort-> Halflings start with +1 to all saves because they are lucky
00:47 <Mekkis> gnomes get the Gnomish Reroll
00:58 <Mort-> Then you have the underfoot adept line
01:07 <Mort-> Of alternate racial traits
01:10 <Mekkis> you're riding. You won't be underfoot
01:31 <Mort-> It triggers when people are bigger then you
01:33 <Mekkis> halflings get +1 to saves. Gnomes don't fail saves when they roll the natural 1 (they reroll them)
01:59 <Mort-> Hm. Fighter dip ->probably yes right
02:30 <Mort-> The only thing good gnomes get is dark vision
02:43 <Mort-> Which makes sneaking around dungeons easier
05:18 <Mekkis> and Speak With Animals!
05:22 <Mekkis> and Prestidigitation
05:29 <Mekkis> they're the only core race with SLAs!
05:45 <Mort-> Screw speak with animals. I can do it but i haven't found a use for it yet
05:58 <Mekkis> you haven't been looking
06:17 <Mort-> Talk to what in that mouldy tomb?
06:26 <Mekkis> I was in a prison, so I used it to persuade a rat to chew through my ropes and fetch me an improvised lockpick
06:43 <Mort-> I think speak to vermin would be more appropriate
07:02 <Mekkis> maybe... then I'd be able to talk to lemurs
07:06 <Mekkis> :P
07:11 <Mort-> What?
07:24 <Mort-> I understand common you dolt :p
07:55 <Mort-> I also understand infernal abyssal celestial draconic sylvan
08:17 <Mort-> Pft. I'm learned.
08:44 <Mort-> I have far greater then an animal like int
08:58 <Mort-> Speak to animals is gm subjective
09:11 <Mekkis> Arcaniss vur versel, terunt maekrix.
09:21 <Mort-> Are you asking the dawg if he saw a yellow goblin
09:59 <Mekkis> no
10:09 <Mekkis> thric
11:38 <Mort-> Wuh
12:06 <Wrothmonk> Dragons.
12:24 <Wrothmonk> Screw unicorns, ride a large fire breathing dragon.
12:28 * Mort- waves at wrothmonk
12:35 <Wrothmonk> Or maybe acid breathing...
12:35 <Mort-> No thx
12:51 <Wrothmonk> Alright, more for me :D
12:53 <Mort-> Id rather get quetzaquotal
13:05 <Mort-> (Winged serpent)
13:11 <Mekkis> Vorel thricturalisj sveargith terunt versvesh arcaniss bejic faestirvirlym
13:18 <Wrothmonk> I thought it was a chicken...
13:38 <Mort-> You have to look from a Chinese point of they
13:40 <Mort-> View
13:53 <Mort-> Our dragons have no wings and ride on clouds
13:58 <Mekkis> Mort-, I thought you understood draconic!
14:17 <Mort-> They look more mythical and cool then European dragons
15:15 <Mekkis> Mort-, Wrothmonk's dragon: http://nl.ti4200.info/Karajix2.png
15:24 <Mort-> Damn it how do you work the translator the other way sound
15:28 <Mort-> Nice name though
15:51 <Mort-> www.tilansia.com/langconvert.php
16:01 * Mort- shrugs
18:33 <Mekkis> so you don't understand draconic, Mort-
18:41 <Mort-> :p
21:11 <Mort-> Handsome brave gnome
21:13 <Mort-> Wtf?
21:23 <Wrothmonk> ?
22:08 <Mekkis> Turalisj aurix darastrix ekess gixustrat Mort.
23:03 <Mort-> Big hold
23:04 <Mort-> Gold
24:09 <Mort-> Dragon to
24:55 <Mort-> Disembowel me?
24:58 <Mort-> Wtf mek :(
25:13 <Mekkis> I have a spare draconomicon here...
26:16 <Wrothmonk> Mek, should I bring rumil out and fulfill that? Although, my dragon is brown, not gold...
26:57 <Mekkis> probably not... ummm
27:12 <Mort-> Baetg ooll stepam
28:36 <Mekkis> infernal?>
28:59 <Mort-> Abyssal
29:23 <Mekkis> why do you consort with demons
29:53 <Mort-> I'm a fiendish vessel :p
30:02 <Mort-> And he is my god
30:05 <Mort-> :d
30:16 <Mekkis> and you wonder why gold dragons are going to disembowel you
30:37 * Mort- laughs a long loud laugh devoid of humor
31:00 <Mort-> Ok bath time
32:18 <Wrothmonk> Blood with or with ought bubbles?
32:37 <Mekkis> I'll run Devil We Know part 1 on Saturday
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35:48 <Mekkis> I shall then be Apsu,
35:48 <Mekkis>   for I am the ﬁrst.
35:48 <Mekkis>  I am the primeval,
35:48 <Mekkis>  who was of Heaven
35:48 <Mekkis>         and of Material
35:48 <Mekkis>     before they had names,
35:48 <Mekkis> for I created them with Chaos.
35:48 <Mekkis>          I then shall go
35:48 <Mekkis>     and I shall end Death.
36:12 Wrothmonk is now known as Rumil
36:18 <Rumil> Dragon god! 
36:22 Rumil is now known as Wrothmonk
36:23 <Wrothmonk> :P
37:03 <Mekkis> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)﻿
45:14 <Wrothmonk> Quick question, would my character know how to properly worship Apsu, even though he doesn't have KN: religion?
57:41 <Mort-> Apsu doesn't ask for much
57:54 <Mort-> And no i get bubbles
58:17 <Mort-> He is the god of travel too and of craftsmen
58:52 <Wrothmonk> Ah cool.
59:09 <Wrothmonk> My kind of god, doesn't ask for much, and is just plain awesome.
59:15 <Mort-> Apsu isn't my god though
59:20 <Mort-> Its apt
59:27 <Mort-> I don't really worship much
59:48 <Mort-> A
00:09 <Mort-> Ah or the god i worship..
00:24 <Mort-> Will get pallies chasing after me
00:55 <Mort-> Apsu is lg. He frowns on random piferage
06:02 <Mort-> www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Apsu
10:20 <Mort-> Silver dragons = pally
10:29 <Mort-> Gold dragon = wizard
10:47 <Mort-> Copper and bronze dragon = bard
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19:11 <Nekhet> hey guys
41:31 <Wrothmonk> Hello.
46:49 <Nekhet> what's up?
47:07 <Wrothmonk> Nothing much.
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49:29 <Nekhet> hey guys, does anyone feel like running the Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment? 
01:09 <Wrothmonk> ?
02:01 <Wrothmonk> When at?
02:47 <Wrothmonk> Oh, I've done that already.
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25:27 <Avatar> we ran it last sunday
25:36 <Avatar> you would have gotten the invite
29:32 <Nekhet> hm
29:50 <Nekhet> i don't think i was around last sunday
45:50 <Wrothmonk> How many scenarios are there total for pfs again?
46:10 <Avatar> click on pathfinder society on the site
46:27 <Wrothmonk> Ah, thanks.
46:37 <Nekhet> like, a load
46:46 <Nekhet> four plus one seasons
49:28 <Wrothmonk> I was just checking something. Since it says you cannot really play any non tier 1-2 games twice for credit, I was wondering how long it would take to play absolutely all scenarios.
49:55 <Wrothmonk> Which currently it comes out to two years at one a week. So should be fine.
50:06 <Nekhet> it would take a while
50:14 <Wrothmonk> 2.4 years
50:33 <Wrothmonk> Should come out with more by then right?
50:35 <Nekhet> yeah by that time a season or two more should be published
50:45 <Nekhet> you could eventuelly catch up if you play a lot
50:56 <Wrothmonk> Probably.
56:58 <Wrothmonk> As long as they release more than 52 games each year
01:33 <Avatar> I started playing around half way through season 3
01:43 <Avatar> maybe 2 years ago
02:01 <Avatar> I still haven't gotten a character to level 12 yet
02:09 <Wrothmonk> :P
02:25 <Avatar> I do have 3 at level 10 though
02:32 <Avatar> lesson: focus on one character
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04:35 <Avatar> the problem is when new players come around, that's the time you should be playing your other low level characters
05:14 <Avatar> get youreslf in a position so that when 5-9s or 7-11s are running, you can play
06:00 <Avatar> gotta run
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44:59 <Mekkis> !history 655
45:02 <diebot> Mekkis, r71 | vpsirc | 2013-02-20 00:24:21 -0500 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013) | 1 line
45:02 <diebot> Mekkis, r70 | vpsirc | 2013-02-19 00:24:02 -0500 (Tue, 19 Feb 2013) | 1 line
45:02 <diebot> Mekkis, r69 | vpsirc | 2013-02-18 08:00:03 -0500 (Mon, 18 Feb 2013) | 1 line
45:17 <Mekkis> !diff 655 r69
45:20 <diebot> Mekkis, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/655r69.txt
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09:21 <Mekkis> !search saddle
09:23 <diebot> Mekkis, Equestrian Belt,Lance Of Jousting,War Saddle,Figurine of Wondrous Power (emerald frog),Robe Of Useful Items,Horsemaster's Saddle
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14:04 <Mekkis> !search ride check
14:05 <diebot> Mekkis, Equestrian Belt,Lance Of Jousting,War Saddle,Ioun Stone turquoise sphere,Horsemaster's Saddle
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32:42 <Ulzef> what 1-7 is this week?
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34:06 * Mort- stretches on the channel floor
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06:02 <Mort-> Ello
08:40 <Mekkis> moin
09:44 <Mort-> Good afternoon mr mekkis
09:51 <Mekkis> yo
12:03 <Mort-> I'm mort. Your wildiness explorer guide
12:21 <Mekkis> where's the nearest wilderness to Singapore?
12:22 <Mort-> What can i do to assist you today?
13:24 <Mort-> You can take an aeroplane and land at changi airport. Or cross the south China sea
13:43 <Mekkis> that's not a wilderness
14:49 <Mort-> Dude. Singapore is an island
14:58 <Mekkis> so is Australia :)
14:58 <Mort-> Somehow you'll have to cross some seas
15:17 <Mort-> You have to cross some seas to get to aust
15:26 <Mort-> No land route
19:04 <Mekkis> I have a USB plasma globe 
21:53 <Mort-> Wud eva
22:02 * Mort- lies down flat
40:12 * Wrothmonk has a TARDIS usb port...
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45:22 <niconorsk> Clearly Mort doesn't like Dr Who. :)
58:52 <Wrothmonk> Heh
58:53 <Avatar> how long do you think it would take to hike from say, melbourne to canberra
59:00 <Avatar> walking
59:40 <Wrothmonk> 129 hours
59:46 <Avatar> realistic answers please
59:54 <Mekkis> hmmm
59:55 <Wrothmonk> Thats what google maps says.
00:05 <Wrothmonk> I'm not claiming it to be realistic.
00:08 <Mekkis> 4kph, 500km
00:12 <Mekkis> that's realistic
00:21 <Mekkis> probably a little less, if you go off the road
00:31 <Avatar> I'm thinking 129 days
00:34 <Mekkis> that's 129 hours walking
00:44 <Avatar> so about 6 days
00:48 <Mekkis> three weeks
00:57 <Mekkis> you're not walking non-stop, right?
01:08 <Avatar> yeah fair enough
01:12 <Avatar> 2 weeks then
01:24 <Avatar> how big is the isle of kortos
02:01 <Mekkis> 100 miles across
02:05 <Mekkis> 160km
02:14 <Mekkis> Brisbane to Tweed, perhaps
02:46 <Avatar> yet that takes a week to get from absalom to escadar
03:04 <Mekkis> there are mountains and swamps in the way
03:16 <Avatar> that's accounted for
03:31 <Mekkis> that's why it takes a week
03:33 <Mekkis> oh
03:47 <Mekkis> Can you schedule Devil We Know 1 for Sunday?
03:54 <Avatar> soitanly
03:54 <Avatar> what time
04:05 <Mekkis> 1pm
04:09 <Mekkis> your time
04:35 <Avatar> are you going to run all 4 parts
04:40 <Mekkis> I'll run 1 and 2
04:51 <Avatar> and 3 and 4 OK
05:07 <Mekkis> perhaps. Maybe I can bully Steven into running 3 and 4
05:13 <Mekkis> or Ulzef :S
05:20 <Mekkis> or Someone Else
05:41 <Mekkis> unless, of course. you're planning on going to Canberra on the 9th-11th of March....
05:45 <Avatar> I'd be wiling to run one of those parts cold if you'll run the other, if nobody else runs them
05:58 <Mekkis> let's get part 1 and 2 out of the way first
06:19 <Avatar> the "I'll think about it" response
06:28 <Avatar> "I've thought about it and the answer is no"
06:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, is canberra 9-11 March possible for you? For Eot10?
06:41 <Avatar> I have no plans to go to canberra unless you're paying for it
06:50 <Mekkis> fair enough then
07:09 <Mekkis> means I don't need to run 6 10-11s for you to have a character to play it...
07:47 <Avatar> I think we're running that down here soonish
08:07 <Avatar> by soonish I mean in 2+ months
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11:33 <Avatar> always ditching the colours
15:51 <Avatar> not sure if I should set up a game for saturday?
15:59 <Avatar> is two over a weekend too many
16:41 <Mekkis> that's fine
16:46 <Wrothmonk> I can testify that no, two over a weekend is not to many at all.
16:48 <Mekkis> people don't need to play in all of them
16:50 <Wrothmonk> roo*
16:54 <Wrothmonk> too*
17:04 <Wrothmonk> Keyboard hates me now as well apparently...
17:40 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: what levels are you and stiletto's characters
17:52 <Wrothmonk> stiletto is still level 1, far as I know
18:00 <Wrothmonk> rysh hasn't done three games yet.
18:16 <Wrothmonk> I have Rumil (3) Wallace (2) and Rumil the second (1)
18:34 <Avatar> have you played we be goblins
18:42 <Wrothmonk> Yes.
18:53 <Wrothmonk> I applied the sheet to Rumil
18:53 <Avatar> first steps 1 2 3 ?
19:00 <Wrothmonk> Yes.
19:15 <Mekkis> hurry up and get a 5 :P
19:31 <Wrothmonk> I plan to :P
19:55 <Avatar> could run severing ties or echoes of the overwatched
21:11 <Avatar> will check if ulzef wants to play
22:34 <Wrothmonk> I just need to get into a game where I can play Rumil and I'm level 4 on him. 
22:53 <Avatar> easy
23:04 <Avatar> it's the level 1s that make things tricky !!
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58:08 <Avatar> my minis arrived yesterday
58:13 <Avatar> it's about time aye
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12:32 <Brunius_> Goddammit Bruniu
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54:42 <Mekkis> Avatar, what minis?
57:18 <Ballig> probably from a kickstarter
06:06 <Brunius> Are there 156 of them
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31:20 <Avatar> no just the basics
31:26 <Avatar> valeros, ezren, kyra, and the other guy
31:52 <Avatar> I tried finding some uniques but I couldn't find anything decent anywhere
33:42 <niconorsk2> You mean that other girl Merisiel?
34:04 <Ballig> Avatar is sexist and can only remember one girl at a time
34:05 <Avatar> yeah I think so
34:13 <Avatar> I didn't even realise she was a girl
37:04 <niconorsk2> Well, she is an elf, so it's understandably confusing sometimes
38:28 <Avatar> I didn't even realise she was an elf !!
38:40 <Mekkis> the rogue?
39:03 <Avatar> yeah
39:55 <Ballig> racist too
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42:31 <Mekkis> how many knives are on the mini?
43:45 <Avatar> I dunno, 2
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46:49 <Avatar> hey steven 
47:05 <Steven> hey avatar
47:11 <Avatar> wanna run a game on saturday?
47:31 <Steven> my saturday or your saturday?
47:35 <Avatar> my saturday
47:38 <Avatar> your friday
47:46 <Steven> sure
47:47 <Steven> sounds good
47:49 <Avatar> sweet
48:05 <Avatar> let me recommend you something
48:43 <Steven> I have already prepped 3-12 as mekkis is going to run the second part to it.
49:10 <Avatar> what is 3-12
49:17 <Steven> wonders in the weave part 1
49:22 <Avatar> already played that
50:52 <Avatar> you've got a lot of decent 7-11s that I don't think any of us have played
51:53 <Avatar> how do you feel about running one
52:03 <Steven> mekkis and i are trying to run the weave p1 and 2
52:13 <Steven> followed by echos of the everwar or whatever
52:20 <Mekkis> Steven, hasn't played p2 yet
52:49 <Avatar> who've you got for part 1 this weekend
53:16 <Steven> dunno, we havent listed it yet i guess
53:33 <Avatar> I'm thinking you'll be hard pressed for the regulars
53:58 <Avatar> it's your chioce but I think there are better choices
54:20 <Steven> we have a lot of newer peoples
54:34 <Avatar> mekkis is running devil we know 1 on sunday
10:35 <Mekkis> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
10:45 <Brunius> It's happening.
10:50 <Brunius> Gun control will soon be futile
11:53 <Mekkis> "Disarm the citizenry leave guns to the criminals: like us, in the military. Prohibition is the key; we need a War on Guns. It'll work great, like our War on Drugs."
20:02 <Avatar> that is just a gun
20:04 <Avatar> not 3d printed
21:17 <Steven> so
22:07 <Avatar> so it says it's 3d printed but it's not !!
22:19 <Steven> got it scheduled avatar?
24:02 <Avatar> give me a time and I'll lock it in chief
24:22 <Avatar> are you definitely doing wonders 1?
25:13 <Steven> yup
25:27 <Steven> mekkis needs to do part 2 directly afterwards
25:40 <Steven> so anyone who does it gets the boon
25:55 <Avatar> what is directly afterwards
26:03 <Steven> the next game we play basically
26:09 <Avatar> he's doing devil we know 1 on sunday
26:23 <Steven> hmmm... maybe next weekend then.
26:42 <Avatar> presumably devil we know 2 next weekend
26:52 <Steven> mekkis respond.
27:00 <Steven> when you wanna do snakes?
27:06 <Steven> er... wonders in the weave?
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46:39 <Steven> my Musketmaster Inquisitor is so much fun...
46:56 <Avatar> cool I am making one now
46:58 <Steven> I crit tonight for 4d12+44 damage
47:08 <Avatar> you should just kill shit yourself
47:15 <Avatar> tell the party to sit tight you'll be right back
47:51 <Steven> for one encounter i killed 7/12 guys
48:14 <Steven> but yeah i crit on the boss... 4d12+44 damage... he fell over
48:21 <Steven> !throw 4d12+44
48:22 <diebot> Steven, 4d12+44: [4d12=2,3,7,2] 58
48:29 <Steven> !throw 4d12+44
48:30 <diebot> Steven, 4d12+44: [4d12=11,6,6,3] 70
48:37 <Avatar> 2 3 7 2 LOL
48:38 <niconorsk2> What level?
48:43 <Steven> i dont remember exactly how much it was, but it was in the 60s
48:45 <Steven> level 7
48:59 <Avatar> muskets with x4 criticals and d12 damage are insane
49:22 <Avatar> I think my modifier is around +20 and I'm barely trying
49:39 <Steven> overall in the round i did 6d12+66 Damage
51:05 <Steven> muskets are insane.
51:26 <Steven> I purchased reliable on it last game, so i misfire on a 1-2
51:42 <Steven> which is good cause i would have misfired 3 times today
53:52 <Steven> anyways.
55:09 <Steven> so i got an email about some complaints on Radcon
55:26 <Steven> from a guy that we call 'dickbag'
55:34 <Steven> one of his complaints was this
55:36 <Steven> 3) GM's challenging characters attack bonuses (calling them a cheat in front of the other players) because they forgot that some of us weren't playing 1st lvl pre-gens.
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56:22 <Steven> Which was me, I apparantly called him a cheat when I asked him to break down his attack rolls because he got an 18 on the die and told me he got a 28 to hit.
56:22 <Avatar> I can see why you'd purchase reliable on your gun after GMing golemworks for us
56:52 <Steven> I took over for the table so the GM could go use the restroom.
57:21 <Steven> so he runs into the room, overhand chops vital strike for a 28
57:42 <Steven> and im like 28 on an 18 with a vital strike at first level... um imma have to see you break down how you got that
57:58 <Steven> and how you got vital strike in a 1-2 teir game
58:07 <Steven> and hes like "I'm level 6."
59:05 <Steven> my response was "Well... that is just stupid.  Why are you ruining the game for everyone else by playing 5 levels above them?"
59:35 <Steven> he didnt have an answer and then the regular GM came back, as the dudes overhand chop vital strike killed the creature in one hit.
59:44 <Steven> scenario over.
00:35 <Steven> If I had been GMing I wouldnt have allowed that.
02:10 <Mekkis> Steven: I'll run it on 9th or 10th, assuming the slot and playerrs are available
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03:04 <Avatar> we can schedule both sessions now to have players ready
03:12 <Avatar> obviously the slots are available, it's ages away
03:20 <Mekkis> avatar: I'll need to push Devil We Know back to start time of 10am...
03:28 <Steven> yeah that works for me..
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04:13 <Steven> sadly i wasnt at the table when they started the game because i wouldnt have allowed a level 6 to play in the 1-2 teir since its forbidden in the guide
04:27 <Mekkis> Something came up regarding
04:39 <Mekkis> ummm.. steven...
05:00 <Steven> what up mek
05:21 <Mekkis> Would you allow someone to replace an allie's potion used on them during that scenario?
05:54 <Steven> no, its illegal.
06:17 <Mekkis> how would you police it?
06:21 <Avatar> to replace an allie's potion?
06:26 <Avatar> what does that mean
06:30 <Mekkis> ok
06:36 <Steven> you cannot replace, refund, or pay an ally for any potion someone else has purchased that you used.
07:07 <Mekkis> Buck is about to die from con damage, so Itazmna shoves a potion of lesser restoration down his throat
07:11 <Avatar> as in I have a potion, here, that person drinks it, I'll pay for another for you
07:15 <Avatar> definitely can't do that
07:40 <Mort-> There isn't anything wrong with that
07:49 <Mort-> Sharing pots. Scrolls
07:51 <Mort-> Cookies.
07:54 <Avatar> sharing them is fine
07:59 <Avatar> but if you buy another one
08:06 <Avatar> the other person can't keep it after the end of the scenario
08:17 <Steven> then the lesser resoration potion that was itazmna was used.  You cannot purchase a replacement for itazmna to carry around.
08:18 <Avatar> best case, you buy one and carry it with you every scenario until they can use it
08:18 <Mort-> You're not obliged to. Just give him the cash?
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08:27 <Mekkis> Buck's not allowed to say, "here, mine was in my pack, take it"
08:32 <Avatar> you can't give your party member's cash
08:39 <Mekkis> ?
08:44 <Steven> exactly mekkis, you are not allowed to give them a replacement
09:00 <Mort-> You can pool resources for a raise dead
09:08 <Mekkis> that seems rather asernine
09:12 <Mort-> You cannot pool resources for potions?
09:17 <Avatar> yeah but you use the raise dead during the scenario
09:20 <Mort-> You got to be kidding.
09:21 <Steven> you can lend it to them until the end of the scenario, but if they havent used it, it magically appears back in your bag
09:30 <Mort-> You use potions during the scenario
09:36 <Avatar> right
09:38 <Mekkis> ok
09:42 <Avatar> if the potion is unused, it goes back to the original owner
09:48 <Mort-> They don't have to pay up sure. But you could pay up
09:56 <Mekkis> so Buck gives Itzamna a potion of lesser restoration 
10:08 <Steven> its a lot like magic, they are the controller you are the owner.
11:02 <Avatar> if Itzamna shoves a potion of whatever down Buck's throat, and it's Itzamna's potion
11:04 <Mekkis> itzamna shoves it in his pack with two of his own. He the takes one at random and drinks it. At the end of the scenario, he gives a potion back to Buck. What happens?
11:25 <Avatar> and Buck had a potion of the exact same thing in his pack, he can't give it to Itzamna to keep, or pretend that's what he really drank
11:43 <Avatar> Buck isn't able to replace it unless he keeps travelling with Itzamna and eventually Itzamna finds a use for Buck's potion
11:43 <Steven> if it was unspecified which potion he drank
11:50 <Mort-> I have a headache.
12:06 <Steven> it would be a 1d3 to see if he drank one of his own, or the one that was lent
12:19 <Steven> OR
12:22 <Mort-> Really. Why not just write it off people don't have to pay you for it but if they want to they can
12:22 <Avatar> taking a potion at random for the sake of it is exploiting the rules
12:30 <Steven> a gm just decides... because they want to be a control freak.
12:36 <Avatar> why would anyone do that
12:42 <Mekkis> (in my experience, what actually happens is that the players apply common sense, Itzamna buys a new potion, and everyone ignores the stupid unpolicable rule)
12:56 <Mort-> And how about the giving continual flame ioun stones to fellow pathfinders
12:59 <Avatar> most of the rules are unpolicable
13:02 <Mort-> Heightened to 4th level
13:05 <Avatar> the game works off honour system
13:10 <Mekkis> yes.
13:11 <Avatar> you're talking about cheating
13:27 <Mekkis> perhaps
13:46 <Steven> I dont think it really happens enough for it to be a problem.
13:48 <Mort-> No one has paid me for my potions yet so i guess the point is moot.
13:57 <Mekkis> don't tell me you've never been in that situation 
14:01 <Avatar> if you travel together, it's not a problem
14:19 <Mort-> No one ever pays me for my potions
14:58 <Steven> I have been in that situation mekkis, but ive played a lot.
15:16 <Steven> prolly been in the 'you owe me a potion' situation like once in all my pfsing
15:44 <Steven> i calmly explained the rules, and told them if we ever partied together again, i would be happy to let them use any potion in my bag, they were cool and accepted the offer.
15:56 <Steven> My characters are also natoriously well prepared.
16:00 <Avatar> every party I've been with has had that attitude
16:24 <Avatar> none of this you used my potion so now you OWE me
16:44 <Steven> thats why i say i dont think it comes up enough for it to really be a problem
16:52 <Steven> most people are cool about lending potions
17:18 <Steven> I have one player at the shop whos a dickbag about stuff like that.  He wont use his own resources on anything
17:43 <Steven> healer dropped... hes standing right next to them with a potion of cure serious in his hands, he puts it away, and searches their body for a wand
18:06 <Mekkis> so, you start by randomly pooling and distributing the potions, then the person who benefitted from one buys a replacement.
18:27 <Steven> thats gaming the system and breaks the 'dont be a jerk' rule
18:32 <Avatar> searching their body is a move action isn't it
18:39 <Steven> indeed it is avatar.
18:47 <Steven> as i said... he is a dickbag
18:53 <Avatar> but that's fair game?
19:08 <Avatar> move action to search, standard to cast
19:12 <Avatar> vs full round to feed a potion
19:24 <Steven> putting away a potion is an action
19:34 <Avatar> ohhhh
19:45 <Avatar> why would you put away the potion
19:53 <Avatar> do you need 2 hands to search
20:05 <Steven> its an example avatar of his dickbagness
20:14 <Avatar> well do you or not
20:14 <Steven> not an actual situation we encountered with him
20:18 <Avatar> oh
20:22 <Avatar> you just gave a bad example :P
20:29 <Steven> i know
20:31 <Steven> lol
20:52 <Steven> luckily he found a....  'girl'friend
20:59 <Steven> i think...
21:10 <Steven> either that or he is having sex with a flesh golem.
21:24 <Steven> or as everyone at the shop calls her, Shelob
22:12 <Steven> because we are pretty sure nothing that ugly is human
22:26 <Steven> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tolkienforums.com/Pictures/Shelob_dg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tolkienforums.com/lotrcreatureimages.htm&h=580&w=800&sz=76&tbnid=Ms8chQVo6cHD4M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshelob%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=shelob&usg=__YDtndqb7AhdAVaCsRRNjyB7o2BI=&docid=UdsJIaK6nldlFM&sa=X&ei=PfUlUf2KJKSGjAKX8YHAAw&ved=0CEYQ9QEwAw&dur=677
22:45 <Steven> sorry about the long link
23:03 <Mekkis> Steven, would he be such an uncooperative player if he knew that the healer could replace the potion?
24:18 <Steven> i dunno... but then you run into the risk of starting a very long and game disrupting conversation of 'I used 25 charges of a cure light wounds want to heal you over the course of a scenario. Reimburse me now.'
25:28 <Steven> the positives of having the no gold/potion/whatever exchange between players far outweigh the negatives of having the rule.
25:56 <Steven> imagine mid combat the healer refusing to heal until everyone agrees to pay him 500g for the channel.
26:24 <Steven> then the fighter refusing to hit/tank something until the healer pays him 500g
26:46 <Steven> it devolves into doucheness which clearly breaks the 'Dont be a jerk' rule
26:54 <Mekkis> that seems like a slippery slope fallacy
27:47 <Steven> I have seen pretty much that exactly situation in a home brew.  granted it was not a channel it was a cure serious wounds spell.
27:50 <Mekkis> I don't see how giving players the option of replacing other players' single-use consumables can devolve into that
28:33 <Mort-> Same
28:33 <Mort-> They want they pay. Not mandatory but why not
29:04 <Steven> Because if you get people the ability to replace a consumable they will demand more and more and more.
29:21 <Mekkis> that's a fallacy
29:33 <Steven> that we fear... so brock said no.
29:41 <Steven> and when brock says no... he means no.
29:57 <Mekkis> I know. But it doesn't stop players from doing it.
30:07 <Steven> then they are cheating.
30:16 <Steven> and if caught will face the penalties
30:23 <Mekkis> (And hell, if players were doing that sort of thing on my table, I wouldn't intervene.)
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31:29 <Steven> If they did it at my table i would tell them its illegal and ask brock what should be done about it.  His response would be anywhere from table warning to reporting character as dead.
31:58 <Steven> He seriously has zero tolerance for cheating.
32:15 <Mekkis> last I checked, it's not cheating if it's unintentional
32:51 <Mekkis> (breaking a rule you're unaware of is not considered cheating)
33:30 <Steven> It clearly states in the guide to organized play you are not allowed to trade gold, resources, or consumbales past the end of a scenario... Players are considered to have read the Guide and know the rules of Pathfinder society.
34:11 <Mekkis> and reading the spirit of the rules, replacing a consumable does not appear to be "trading"
34:46 <Steven> replacing a consumable is trading resources.
35:00 <Steven> if the player does not give it back at the end of the scenario
35:09 <Mekkis> the fact that there's a forum clarification *somewhere* (possibly on the VC/VL boards) effectively means that that only applies if you read it, right?
35:29 <Steven> negative, it is in the guide.
35:32 <Mekkis> and if it's on the VC/VL boards (or hell, buried under Somewhere in the General Discussion), then all bets are off...
37:08 <Steven> The ruling is in the guide. Page 24 First paragraph of Purchasing Equipment and Spells
37:21 <Steven> it states: In Pathfinder Society Organized Play, you may never buy 
37:22 <Steven> items from, sell items to, or trade items with another 
37:22 <Steven> player. You may, however, allow another player to borrow 
37:22 <Steven> an item for the duration of a scenario. You are also 
37:22 <Steven> permitted to spend your character’s gold to help a party 
37:22 <Steven> member purchase spellcasting services such as raise dead
37:22 <Steven> or remove disease.
40:11 <Mort-> Trade involves an exchange of items
40:21 <Mort-> If something was given out of good will?
40:22 <Mekkis> So if you lent me your +2 longsword, and I lost it, I wouldn't be able to find one to replace it with?
40:47 <Steven> negative, the +2 longsword is lost... forever.
41:27 <Avatar> the thing is
41:32 <Avatar> if your friend lost it
41:37 <Avatar> chances are you are equally likely to lose it
41:48 <Avatar> same deal with the potion
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42:09 <Steven> mort that situation is accounted for in the paragraphed i pasted under "You may, however, allow another player to borrow 
42:10 <Steven> an item for the duration of a scenario"
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43:12 <Mort-> Yeah its borrowed ill return you a new one
43:14 <Mort-> Don't worry
43:43 <Mort-> That includes any potion you used on me. It was a loan wasn't it?
43:49 <Avatar> mort the only way you can do that is if you always play with them
43:57 <Avatar> they have to give it back at the end of the scenario
44:00 <Mort-> Next town in scenario
44:08 <Mort-> Ill get it for you straight
44:21 <Mort-> Hey i pay my debts.
44:32 <Avatar> do you pay your debts within those rules
44:34 <Steven> At the end of a scenario all items you own(purchased) are returned to your inventory.
44:40 <Mekkis> Steven, you should start judging MTG
44:53 <Steven> I did for a while... i got burnt out on it.
45:01 <Steven> so i stopped.
45:01 <Mekkis> what level?
45:15 <Mort-> Seriously i do most of the bailing
45:16 <Mort-> I rarely actually borrow stuff from people
45:29 <Avatar> do you lend out to people
45:38 <Mort-> To be honest i can't remember the last time
45:41 <Mort-> All the time
45:51 <Mort-> Everyone knows I'm a walking adventurers armory
46:05 <Steven> just the regular everyday local judge
46:18 <Steven> level 1
46:23 <Steven> i think is what it was called
46:32 <Steven> was around.... 10-12 years ago
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47:22 <Brunius> I've gotta run
47:24 <Brunius> laterzzz
47:28 <Steven> later gater
47:33 <Avatar> were you here
47:44 <Steven> he was watching the melee i bet!
47:46 <mortswishytail> All the time. Everyone knows that anything from acid flasks to status removal to overcoming dr can be found on the mur
47:59 <mortswishytail> In their various incarnations
48:10 <Hydrazine> Hullo.
48:17 <mortswishytail> Just have to shake me. Maybe glitterdust may even fall out
48:18 <Steven> hey hydra
48:20 <mortswishytail> Hi hydra
49:42 <Hydrazine> Whats all this discussion about?
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50:13 <Steven> lending/replacing items
50:28 <Steven> and how the rule is unpolicable and therefore should be discarded
50:53 <Hydrazine> That items shouldn't be lent at all, or that you shouldn't attempt to control it?
51:13 <Avatar> that you can't pay your party member's back for a used consumable
52:06 <mortswishytail> That one is stupid
52:07 <mortswishytail> Though hydra i think you owe me at least 5 enlarge persons
52:07 <mortswishytail> I owe kapow 796 gp
52:07 <mortswishytail> And he owes me a remove fear and a lesser restoration
52:51 <mortswishytail> Of course. I'm not going to bother to keep track of trivial stuff like that
52:55 <Hydrazine> As far as I know, technically correct, yes. I suppose I can agree with changing the rule, though it does allow for some edge cases of abuse.
53:16 <Avatar> hahaha
53:28 <Avatar> not going to keep track hey mort
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54:34 * Mort- scrawls out with a black crayon PAID IN FULL
56:53 <Hydrazine> I know Jerus got damn good value out of those enlarge scrolls.
57:01 * Hydrazine high fives Mort.
57:09 <Mort-> The fun is enough. I never charge :d
57:21 * Mort- high fives hydra
57:29 <Hydrazine> Perhaps Fork and Spork will pack enlarge potions sometime. When they can afford it.
57:35 <Mort-> You should
57:40 <Mort-> Its really awesome crack
58:07 <Mort-> Or maybe you should run around with my cleric
58:08 <Mort-> Again you two probably don't need it
58:16 <Mort-> Do you need a +2 to hit and a +1 damage? :p
58:38 <Mort-> I guess i could try to umd enlarge. But no promises
59:52 * Mort- doesn't really have any enlarge characters on low tier
00:40 <niconorsk> The 1 round casting time of enlarge is so annoying
00:52 <Mort-> Its worth it for the fun you get
01:13 <Mort-> Most low level monsters hit the beat stick in front
01:19 <Steven> just counted it up, i can still play 16 games!
01:35 <Mort-> If you have archers just drop prone
04:05 <Mort-> Or if you are loaded use a wand. Do wands have concentration checks,g
04:18 <Mort-> Not that i remember..hm
04:22 <Mort-> Or maybe yes. Not sure
06:49 <niconorsk> Wands don't have concentration checks, no. You're not technically casting anything. You still get the 1 round casting time though
07:12 <Steven> if somebody hits you while using it you will have to do a concentration check.
07:29 <Steven> but why in gods name would anyone ever target you while casting a spell that takes a full round to cast...
09:02 <niconorsk> With a wand? Really?
09:36 <Mort-> Because you're tired of carting 50 enlarge person scrolls on your person
09:51 <Mort-> You figure that since you're using it you must as well go by volume
10:19 <Mort-> Or - gives your familiar something to do while you blast away
11:36 <niconorsk> Having your familiar use wands is really restricted in PFS
12:24 <niconorsk> And I was responding to Steven.  Are you saying casting with a wand requires concentration if hit?
12:46 <Hydrazine> Thats the beauty of an enlarge person potion. Its as soon as you take the potion.
13:00 <Hydrazine> Hes saying it does if its a full round cast time.
13:17 <Mort-> And it costs 250 gp for 60 seconds of fun
13:23 <Mort-> Wands go for 15 gp
13:49 <Mort-> Don't let the neighbourhood wizard cheat you. Get your crack today!
16:07 <Hydrazine> Fork and Spork would go up to...
16:41 <niconorsk> I'd like to see where the rule say that, because that seems very strange to me.
17:26 <Hydrazine> Activation: Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the spell being cast has a longer casting time than 1 action, however, it takes that long to cast the spell from a wand.)
18:22 <niconorsk> Yeah, that explains the full round, but says nothing about concentration
18:50 <Hydrazine> +14 attack, 3d6+15 damage.
19:00 <Mort-> Uh oh
19:21 <Mort-> Ok ok. Ill get a enlarger to follow you
19:29 <Steven> okay noconorsk... you are using your microwave when i walk up and punch you... do you perhaps mess up on programming your time to cook your hotpocket?
19:50 <Hydrazine> Best situation. possibly unrealistic while enlarged.
20:00 <Steven> expect table variation, but at my table you are making a concentration check.
21:14 <Steven> of course if they really wanted to be dicks, they could just walk up and sunder your wand...
21:38 <Hydrazine> I think I agree with Steven. Wand activation says it doesn't provoke, but still calls it casting a spell.
21:59 <Hydrazine> The concentration section says that if you take damage between starting and finishing a spell, roll concentration.
23:05 <Hydrazine> I think if it takes you a whole round to wanding to get the wand of enlarge person to work.. then yeah, you can be hit and lose it.
23:51 <Steven> expect some variation as the situation of concentration check while usings a spell trigger item doesnt come up near enough that they have made a specialized ruling on it.
27:25 <niconorsk> I realize that its a rare situation.  One argument for it not requiring a concentration check, is that the section on scrolls specifically mentions that it can be disrupted. Wands don't
28:20 <Hydrazine> I'd like to chime in with how happy I am that we can discuss a difference of opinion over rules like civilized gentlemen.
28:30 <Avatar> haha
28:52 <Hydrazine> Thats at level 2 and either flanking or adjacent, Mort. They may get some potions, but later. Now they're getting orcish swiss army knives.
29:09 <niconorsk> Also, it says you can use wands while grappled but doesn't specify that it requires concentration checks
29:39 <Avatar> I was actually wondering about this the other day
30:20 <niconorsk> To use your micriwave analogy: I've pressed the start button on my microwave, someone punches me, I don't expect my microwave to suddenly stop working
31:19 <Steven> okay but with a full round action its like you have to keep holding the start button for it to work... if i punch you... you might momentarily lift your finger
31:27 <Steven> which is why it requires a concentration check.
32:05 <Avatar> Steven: if using the microwave says it doesn't provoke, then you don't get the punch while using it
32:31 <Hydrazine> We're discussing 1 round cast times, Avatar.
32:44 <Hydrazine> And theres also readied actions to consider.
33:02 <Steven> yeah regular attack not an AoO
34:04 <Steven> so funny story...
34:22 <niconorsk> Here's an interesting question then, if I ready an action to attack someone casting a spell, while you allow it to trigger on them using a wand, forcing a concentration check if I hit?
34:41 <Avatar> still a full round action that doesn't provoke
34:53 <Steven> we arent talking about AoOs avatar.
35:05 <Hydrazine> Avatar, there is a difference between full round action and 1 round cast time spells.
35:20 <Hydrazine> One of these involves everyone else getting a whole round between start and finish.
35:21 <Avatar> what am I missing
35:28 <Steven> we are talking about on the baddies turn, he walks over to the guy using a wand and punches his face down his throat.
35:40 <Avatar> yeah that requires a check
35:50 <Avatar> I am talking about both scenarios because the text talks about provoking
36:36 <Avatar> or maybe I forgot to mention that
36:40 <Steven> so, the dude stealths, and im like in the middle of combat with people observing you?
36:49 <Steven> and he is like yeah, and im like are you sure, cause that doesnt work.
36:53 <Steven> and hes like totaly doing it.
37:14 <Avatar> why would you totally do something after being told that doesn't work
37:15 <Steven> so i have the baddie make a bluff check to pretend he is surprised that the guy just disappeared.
37:36 <Steven> and im like would you like to make a sense motive, and hes like nope he cant see me
37:49 <Steven> and so he 'stealth' moves right past the guy
37:55 <Steven> and provokes an AoO
38:02 <Steven> and so i have the baddie take an AoO
38:10 <Steven> the guy throws a bitch fit
38:16 <Steven> about how im cheating.
38:41 <Hydrazine> niconorsk: Where does it say scrolls can be interrupted?
38:49 <Hydrazine> That is pretty funny actually.
39:00 <Steven> it was fantastic.
39:14 <Steven> whats horrible is the bluff check was a mighty 12
39:32 <Steven> so... yeah pretty easy to Sense Motive that out.
39:40 <Avatar> player got played
40:09 <niconorsk> Activating a scroll spell is subject to 
40:09 <niconorsk> disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would 
40:09 <niconorsk> be. 
40:34 <Steven> its the difference betwen a spell completion and a spell trigger.
40:37 <niconorsk> Page 490 of Core
41:10 <Steven> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magicItems.html#_spell-trigger
41:29 <Steven> spell completion is right above teh spell trigger text
43:25 <Hydrazine> This seems rather specifically discussing AoOs, and not really our case.
43:44 <Hydrazine> I still agree with Steven.
44:03 <Steven> its because this case comes up so rarely it doesnt matter
44:16 <Steven> well... rarely matters
45:52 <Steven> of course the solution is just to have the enemies sunder the wands... all of them
47:14 <niconorsk> Yeah, it's not like I even have a wand of enlarge person for it to affect. And if I did, I would start using it in a position where the enemy could easily attack me
47:27 <niconorsk> *wouldn't
50:01 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kp8h?Summon-Monster-from-a-Wand
50:34 <Mort-> Time to go
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51:37 <Steven> sadly doesnt give any offical answer avatar
51:48 <Avatar> yeah
51:54 <Avatar> just more questions !
53:45 <Mekkis> Welcome to Paizo!
54:18 <Mekkis> !feat vital strike
54:23 <diebot> Mekkis, VITAL STRIKE [Combat]Prereq:  Base attack bonus +6.  You make a single attack that deals significantly more damage than normal.
54:23 <diebot> Benefit:  When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage. Roll the weapon's damage dice for the attack twice and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon abilities (such as flaming), precision based damage, and other damage bonuses. These extra
54:24 <diebot> weapon damage dice are not multiplied on a critical hit, but are added to the total. Source: Core
54:50 <Mekkis> why is that good?
55:24 <Steven> because it is?
55:42 <Mekkis> it doesn't work on a full attack, right?
55:52 <Steven> also doesnt work on a charge
56:19 <Steven> but, say you are in a surprise round and the enemy moves up to you, you take your attack and blammo double weapond damage
56:21 <Mekkis> so why is it good? you add maybe 5 average damage
57:06 <Steven> also, it doesnt require you use a melee weapon... my gunslinger/inquisitor uses it to do 2d12+11 damage
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03:17 <Avatar> er
03:19 <Avatar> isn't it melee only
03:40 <Avatar> I thought that was the reason I took deadly aim instead of vital strike
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05:04 <Hydrazine> It isn't good, Mekkis.
05:23 <Mekkis> I didn't think it did
05:44 <Hydrazine> The point of it is to provide an option for fighter types to get more damage when have to move.
06:24 <Avatar> if you die with a level 7 pregen, does the character you planned to apply it to die ?
06:29 <Hydrazine> But considering that rather early into the career, this type of character gets notably more damage from bonuses than the weapon dice, it isn't really worth much.
06:57 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think technically yes, but in practise, it doesn't happen
07:47 <Hydrazine> Steven: So why couldn't your gs/inq attack twice instead for 2d12+22?
09:24 <Steven> he does when he can, but sometimes he likes to move
10:54 <Hydrazine> I think a better correction is sometimes moving is more important.
11:02 <Hydrazine> Fair enough though.
14:13 <Avatar> I remember playing a 7-11 with Buck at level 7 and working out damage, I said "okay I do 3 damage"
14:32 <Avatar> and the whole table was momentarily silent while it dawned on me that it is impossible for level 7 gunslingers to do 3 damage 
14:43 <Mekkis> DR excepted
14:50 <Avatar> I was hitting humans
14:55 <Mekkis> yeah
15:19 <Avatar> then I was like "ohhh wait... 37 damage!"
15:43 <Mekkis> hmm
15:48 <Mekkis> heresy of man?
15:58 <Avatar> part 2
16:07 <Mekkis> I haven't played part 1 yet
16:17 <Avatar> where were you when we played it a few weeks ago
16:25 <Mekkis> on the road
16:33 * niconorsk is sad that he doesn't have a level 5 yet
16:44 <Avatar> you'll get there nicon
16:49 <Avatar> you can still play a level 7 pregen if you want to play
16:55 <Hydrazine> I had one once.
17:04 <Hydrazine> He caught a case of death.
17:06 <Avatar> you'll get there again
17:16 <Avatar> not enough prestige to res?
17:25 <Avatar> or second death?
18:21 <Hydrazine> Second death.
19:13 <Mekkis> you were a retarded character, right?
19:33 <niconorsk> Hmm, if I keep playing level 7 pregens, my character could skip level 7 entirley. :)
19:46 <Steven> and level 8 9 10 and 11
20:28 <niconorsk> Well, that seems a bit much, I do want to get to use it in 7-11 scenarios after all
20:34 <Avatar> I think I'm finding that most fights are actually relatively easy to get through
20:47 <Avatar> the ones you can die in are the ones that feel overwhelming
21:18 <Avatar> even if something feels like it's tough, if it doesn't feel overwhelming, you're probably okay
21:22 <Steven> i think most of it depends on player preperation
21:35 <Avatar> exceptions exist
23:14 <Mekkis> niconorsk, well, it will actually be applied at 5th level
23:18 <Mekkis> for this scenario
26:24 <niconorsk> That's not what the guide says.
27:10 <Avatar> applied at 7th level mekkis
27:20 <Hydrazine> Mekkis: Jerus was killed by that croc you and Steven lost to.
27:20 <Mekkis> it's a 5-9
27:25 <Mekkis> it's applied at 5th level
27:34 <Avatar> yeah but you apply 7th level credit at 7th level
27:58 <Steven> i've never lost to a croc
28:08 <niconorsk> Otherwise, I could get the gold from a 6-7 on a level 1
28:38 <Hydrazine> It wasn't in a game. We were just messing around.
28:56 <Steven> yeah i didnt fight the crock, ausk cheered them on till he was required to put it down.
29:03 <Hydrazine> Ah. Sorry.
29:11 <Hydrazine> Thought it was you and Mek. Mek and... someone else then.
29:20 <Mekkis> kapow
29:33 <Steven> yeah you guys got some bad rolls
29:52 <Avatar> If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you may apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches 
29:52 <Avatar> the level of the pregenerated character played. 
29:58 <Avatar> p29
30:48 <Avatar> funny that they word it like that considering you can only play 1st and 7th now
30:56 <Avatar> must have been an oversight
33:15 <Steven> no, you can play a 4th level from the paizo website
33:24 <Steven> but not the 4th level from the book.... for some reason
33:25 <Avatar> er
33:26 <Avatar> really?
34:28 <Avatar> yeah you're right
34:45 <Avatar> doesn't mention 4th level specifically, but it does say a level specific character from the site
35:15 <Avatar> and specifically calls 1st and 7th from the codex
47:49 <Steven> i kinda wanna make another oracle
54:34 <Steven> but ill never get to play it.
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03:39 <Avatar> we need to set up a set of games where we all just play oracles and no other class is allowed
08:39 <Steven> an AP?
20:11 <Mekkis> sounds good
21:05 <Mekkis> and we all take deaf
21:18 <Mekkis> or tongues
23:42 <Mekkis> how about we get kapow to run an AP for us then?
23:49 <Mekkis> or Hydra!
36:08 <Steven> hydra... run us the Rise of the Runelords... go go
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