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00:19 <Mekkis> I've played a dwarf rogue
00:26 <Mekkis> wears full-plate
00:30 <Mekkis> carries a battleaxe
00:34 <Wrothmonk> I could see that.
00:35 <Mort-> Charges with a lucene hammer then applies the whole sap master sap adept feats
00:47 <Wrothmonk> Especially for you.
00:51 <Mort-> 8d6 sneak attack damage every time he charges
01:10 <Mort-> With i think its 8d6+16 or something
01:11 <Mekkis> what, because I've already stated how sneak attack from stealth doesn't work?
01:37 <Mort-> No stealth involved
01:41 <Mort-> Just scout charge
01:42 <Wrothmonk> A dwarf carrying a battleaxe thats a rouge just fits you.
01:53 <Mekkis> scout's a 3.5 class
01:55 <Mort-> As long as you're charging target is considered flat footed
02:02 <Mort-> Its a rogue archtype
02:04 <Mort-> Look at it
03:14 <Mort-> Pick locks. Disarm traps?
03:15 <Mort-> suse
03:17 <Mort-> Sure
03:25 <Mort-> And also charge with a hammer :p
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09:20 <Kzar> Do I understand the rules right, just 1 point in a skill at level 1?
10:16 <Mekkis> correct
10:27 * Mort- wags tail
11:17 <Wrothmonk> But you have 8+ your int of points to spend
11:40 <Wrothmonk> You can't have more than your level in skill ranks on a single skill though.
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13:29 <Mort-> Oh well
13:42 <Mort-> Rogues
14:04 <Wrothmonk> Yeah that seems a bit high to me as well.
14:04 <Mort-> Shatter defenses rocks but so hard to get
14:35 <Mort-> Or do two weapon fient route
15:15 <Kzar> Yea, that was why I asked, because it seemed like I got more than enough points to cover most interesting skills
16:04 <Mort-> Rogues aren't very good at fighting
16:30 <Mort-> You need to get your sneak attacks off
16:35 <Wrothmonk> diplo, perception, kn local, sense motive, and survival are what I would recommend regardless of class.
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16:53 <Wrothmonk> stealth obviously for rouges is good.
18:00 <Mort-> I skip survival on most of my characters
18:24 <Mort-> You need acrobatics on rogues
18:25 <Wrothmonk> survival is a low priority for me as well, still good to have though.
19:03 <Mort-> Else you eat attacks of opportunity every time you want to repositon for flanks
19:24 <Mort-> Another cheesy way to do it is take 1 level maneuver master
19:38 <Mort-> Maneuver master dirty trick to blind
19:39 <Mort-> KK
19:41 <Mort-> Lol
20:08 <Mort-> But won't work at high levels because cmd up the roof
20:17 <Mort-> Ah tons of cheese coming out
20:26 <Wrothmonk> bluff is probably good
24:43 <Mort-> Time to go
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32:24 <Wrothmonk> Hello
38:26 <Mort-> Hello
38:33 <Mort-> I heard you're gming
38:46 * Mort- gives wrothmonk a cookie!
38:53 <Wrothmonk> Yup :D
39:01 <Wrothmonk> Thanks!
39:05 * Wrothmonk noms on cookie
39:19 <Mort-> Sorry mekkis. Was dungeon acrawlin with a necromancer last night
39:36 <Mort-> Wouldn't have been good company here
39:45 <Mort-> Yeah :d
39:53 <Mort-> Now what are you gming
40:07 <Wrothmonk> Its the first scenario of pathfinder I've played, coincidently the one you ran for me.
40:13 <Wrothmonk> Tide of morning
46:22 <Mort-> Join #testone
46:38 <Mort-> Will talk to you privately
46:47 <Mort-> Don't want to spoil it for others
47:13 <Mort-> I can't pm because I'm not a registered user
56:31 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, type /mode Wrothmonk -R
56:50 <Mort-> I'm talking to him now
57:08 <Mort-> Begining to corrupt him :d
05:43 <Mekkis> crate him
07:18 <Mort-> No. I need him free
26:57 <Mekkis> spoken like an Andoran thief
27:24 <Wrothmonk> If your going to crate me up, don't put me on the spirit of freedom.
27:36 <Wrothmonk> I don't want to be discretely shipped livestock.
37:52 <Mekkis> I was thinking about crating the paracountess
39:14 <Mort-> Go ahead and you get her summoning devils on you
41:37 <Mekkis> Deceased summons devils better than Zarta can
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42:33 <Mort-> Do you have her stats?
42:43 <Mekkis> she's ari 4 /brd 8
43:40 <Mort-> I thought she was a sorc with infernal bloodline
43:59 <Mekkis> nope
44:54 <Mort-> Gah
45:09 <Mort-> Bards don't really summon well
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21:26 <Mekkis> Take up the Chelish Burden!
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20:31 <Mekkis> Send forth the best ye breed--
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41:47 <Mekkis> how do I get fire resistance?
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46:35 <Avatar-> magical knack is legal
46:36 <Avatar-> and snowball got banned
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50:52 <Mekkis> link?
52:21 <Mekkis> !spell snowball
52:35 <diebot> Mekkis, ENTHRALL enchantment (charm[language-dependent, mind-affecting, sonic]) bard 2, cleric 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2 1 round Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) any number of creatures Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour or less Save: Will negates; see text SR:yes
52:35 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/enthrall.html
53:47 <Mekkis> Avatar-, thanks
53:57 <Mekkis> looks like I know where my Additional Traits boon is going!
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01:05 <Kzar> Hey
01:11 <Mekkis> hey hey
01:35 <Mekkis> my swedish is horrible, forgive me if I don't try.
01:46 <Kzar> Have I come to the right place if I'm searching for D&D/PF over IRC?
01:51 <Mekkis> you have indeed
01:54 <Kzar> That's okay, my english is excellent. :)
04:45 <Mekkis> but yes, we play pathfinder online here. Generally we have at least one session every weekend
07:33 <Kzar> Rather new to playing over IRC in general, but I've played in a D&D game that ran for a few sessions
07:53 <Kzar> not 3.5 though, it was an ancient edition and I'm not exactly sure which one.
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10:50 <niconorsk> Sup
11:54 <niconorsk> So this: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pivw&page=2?Balance#70
12:07 <niconorsk> Magical knack now legal as a trait again
12:35 <Kzar> What does that one do?
13:11 <niconorsk> +2 CL for one class as long as it doesn't increase your hit die
15:38 <Kzar> That sounds quite useful
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28:27 <Mekkis> only if you're multiclassing a spellcaster, which is not generally good in the first place
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32:42 <Mekkis> but Kzar, you should visit the website and create a character.
33:16 <Kzar> I did find this channel from the website :)
33:27 <Mekkis> I'm not sure what timezones suit you, but we try to accommodate
33:40 <Kzar> I'm in GMT+2
33:49 <Kzar> But I'm awake at odd hours usually
33:59 <Mekkis> sysadmin?
35:11 <Kzar> student :P
35:24 <Mekkis> ah
48:11 <Kzar> A lot to read before setting down to create a character I think hehe
48:34 <Mekkis> if you want. Not that much is required, and feel free to ask questions
50:01 <Kzar> I would have thought paizo would have balanced their supplements for the PFS play
50:14 <Mekkis> they have, more or less
50:38 <Mekkis> and playing bare core is still an effective, viable option
51:33 <Kzar> I barely know the core so probably sticking to that, just glancing at the additional resources list
52:08 <Mekkis> it's a big list
59:54 <Kzar> Not much you need for level 1 especially anyway
02:41 <Wrothmonk> Gah! add another rule infraction to rumil… That makes about 6 I think. Rumil has both traits of the same type.
05:00 <Wrothmonk> Is there a point where I have to scrap Rumil at all for these kinds of mistakes?
10:49 <Mekkis> you should ask on the forums
10:59 <Mekkis> they might give you a free rebuild!
11:24 <Mekkis> oh, and Wrothmonk...
11:35 <Kzar> Is the list of "what is pathfinder society like compared to normal play" how you play still? Sounds very fun
11:57 <Wrothmonk> Yeah?
11:59 <Mekkis> the main difference is that you don't need to show up for every session
12:09 <Mekkis> I'm trying to print out Karajix
13:17 <Wrothmonk> Cool.
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14:51 <Avatar-> oops
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14:57 <Mort-> Helm
14:59 <Mort-> Hello
15:13 <Mekkis> Mort-, you chased Avatar away
15:31 <Mekkis> have you seen Wrothmonk's dragon? It's so cute!
15:34 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/Karajix2.png
17:02 <Mort-> He drew it?
17:11 <Mort-> Wow. 
17:14 <Wrothmonk> Oh he has seen it, I chased him off after he made gnome jokes.
17:21 <Mekkis> she*
17:22 <Wrothmonk> Actually mekkis was the one that drew it.
17:26 <Wrothmonk> she*
17:58 <Mort-> Maybe when you get wings evo you can get bigger wing
18:00 <Mort-> S
18:06 <Mort-> Nice name though
18:24 <Mort-> What gnome jokes
18:37 <Wrothmonk> there needs to be a word for when you don't know the gender of somebody on the internet that can be used in place of she/he
18:50 <Mekkis> Ze
18:51 <Wrothmonk> Actually I think it was just threatening to punt.
18:54 <Kzar> schlee
18:55 <Mort-> I'm not in a very gnome jokey mood today
19:13 <Mort-> Troll god of ice yes?
19:42 <Mort-> I just found a new feat
19:52 <Kzar> Should all characters pick a god to follow? or just clerics and the like?
20:11 <Mort-> It makes creating gambit in pfs possible
20:24 <Wrothmonk> Its fluff really except for clerics I think.
20:37 <Mort-> Only id say divine classes need to follow a god
20:52 <Wrothmonk> ^this
21:04 <Mort-> Can't be arsed worshiping one otherwise
21:40 <Mort-> Look at the feat deadly dealer
21:51 <Mort-> You can really do gambit now :d
22:21 <Wrothmonk> Eryne (gnome summoner who has Karajix as his eidolon) worships Apsu, who is one of the gods who created the universe, and the god of dragons.
22:31 <Wrothmonk> complete fluff
23:02 <Wrothmonk> But it really fits with my characters theme.
23:10 <Mort-> Apsu ><
23:20 <Mort-> Did mek get into you?
23:38 <Mort-> Or was i the one who suggested it
23:46 <Wrothmonk> Cant remember.
24:00 <Wrothmonk> It was either you or mekkis though.
24:20 <Mort-> Could be me.
24:25 <Wrothmonk> Whats wrong with Apsu?
24:37 <Mort-> You probably asked for a dragon god and i gave it
25:02 <Mort-> None of my characters would worship him
25:08 <Mort-> At this point of time
25:35 <Wrothmonk> Actually, it was mekkis who said "You have to worship apsu!" I looked him up and I went "Perfect."
26:09 <Mort-> I know him of course being a gossipmur
26:23 <Mort-> But i don't worship winged lizards
26:45 <Mort-> Since murs are obviously the superior species : s
26:49 <Mort-> :p
26:52 <Wrothmonk> I can see you and Eryne aren't going to get along much. :P
27:05 <Wrothmonk> Gnome obsessed with dragons basically.
27:37 <Mort-> Obviously but first rule of pfs is not be a jerk
27:49 <Wrothmonk> The anti mort, except about the same size still.
28:01 <Mort-> So if i have any objections they don't apply in game
28:14 <Kzar> That's a good ruel
28:33 <Mort-> Also goes against the mort code - freedom of choice
28:45 <Mort-> That's a personal code
29:01 <Kzar> How do you handle attribute generation for PFS play?
29:07 <Mort-> Everyone should be free to make their own choices
29:19 <Wrothmonk> Point buy system, check page...
29:20 <Mort-> And live by them for good or for ill
29:22 <Mort-> Point buy
29:23 <Mort-> 20
29:42 <Wrothmonk> page 7 in the pas guide
29:50 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
29:59 * Wrothmonk bashes autocorrect over the head
30:00 <Mort-> Btw there is a cute site i wanted to show everyone
30:17 <Wrothmonk> Is it lemur related?
30:21 <Wrothmonk> or PFS
31:06 <Wrothmonk> theres a table on how many points each ability score amount costs
31:20 <Wrothmonk> its not straight 1-1 unfortunately. 
32:18 <Mort-> web.archive.org/web/20100213070917/http://www.io.com/~angilas/5gamers.html
32:37 <Mort-> Its funny
33:06 <Mort-> Of course i think we are all a mix of types
33:25 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
33:37 <Wrothmonk> Who was the guy that licked a door and poisoned himself again?
33:52 <Wrothmonk> Rabble?
34:15 <Wrothmonk> Pure loony would be him.
34:18 <Mort-> And mekkis would say I'm a munchkin
34:49 <Wrothmonk> Mekkis would say Avatar would be the thespian I think.
34:54 <Mort-> Maybe. But i think I'm a brains
34:57 <Mort-> No
35:03 <Mort-> Avatar is a real man
35:39 <Mort-> I have some realman traits in me but generally i don't like melee
36:15 <Mort-> Avatar does not talk to everything in the dungeon
36:23 <Wrothmonk> Loonies declare a pie fight at 20 paces ... and cheat.
36:24 <Mort-> I have yet to see anyone who does that
36:25 <Wrothmonk> LOL
36:52 <Wrothmonk> Eryne will be talking to every dragon they meat… Probably not much else
37:09 <Mort-> Sorry most dragons are hostile
37:12 <Wrothmonk> meet*
37:18 <Mort-> And they have like 5 attacks per round
37:24 <Wrothmonk> Thats what diplomacy is for!
37:28 <Mort-> You'll learn. You'll learn
37:38 <Mort-> Ce dragon?
37:42 <Mort-> Those you meet
38:14 <Mort-> Shattering of illusions is painful
38:32 <Mort-> But better then getting full attacked by a dragon without even knowing why
40:04 <Mort-> I think i know only 2 thespians
40:12 <Mort-> And they aren't in this channel
41:55 <Wrothmonk> loonies hang out in milliways? Cool!
42:01 <Mort-> Hm i read David eddings
42:02 <Wrothmonk> if its the one I think it is.
42:09 <Mort-> I'm not a thespian btw
42:13 <Mort-> No where close
42:26 <Mort-> I don't write one page back stories
42:41 <Wrothmonk> I can tell you sir stiletto is between thespian and loonie.
42:43 <Mort-> And i believe in get them before they get you stuff
42:51 <Mort-> I dunno who that is
43:04 <Kzar> 20 points for abilities seems to be a lot
43:09 <Wrothmonk> Its not
43:14 <Mort-> See how they point buy
43:22 <Wrothmonk> you pay different amounts for each ability score
43:23 <Mort-> 16 in one score costs 10 points
43:28 <Kzar> I know
43:34 <Mort-> Btw I'm a sensitive
43:42 <Mort-> Wrothmonk
43:45 <Kzar> But still got fairly decent abilites, even one at 18 with the racial bonus
43:53 <Mort-> What you doing
43:58 <Kzar> an elf rogue
44:18 <Mort-> Wrothmonk. I'm a sensitive with my empathic gift generally out of control
44:34 <Mort-> So generally i block it off
44:34 <Wrothmonk> ok...
44:39 <Mort-> Or get overly sensitive
45:02 <Mort-> Elf rogue..make sure you have 12 con after racial mods
45:17 <Wrothmonk> no, 14
45:18 <Wrothmonk> at least.
45:20 <Mort-> I suggest 14 for melee work but that's probably too much to ask for
45:31 <Mort-> I run 12 con on melee characters
45:43 <Mort-> Elf you need to buy a 16 on point buy
45:56 <Mort-> After racial mod it dropr to 14
46:01 <Wrothmonk> Munchkins watch MTV as their favorite music… Does not compute...
46:05 <Mort-> 16 may be too expensive
46:15 <Wrothmonk> Ah good point.
46:29 <Mort-> So i mean you have to give some considerations to what he said
46:32 <Kzar> 16 is quite expensive, I'll go for 12, worst case I'll learn my lesson for the next time
46:39 <Wrothmonk> heh.
47:20 <Mort-> Would you be amendable to another race?
47:50 <Kzar> Which would you suggest?
47:57 <Mort-> Half orc
48:07 <Mort-> If you want try half elf for less brute
48:10 <Mort-> Almost an elf
48:15 <Kzar> I'm more of a elf or halfling type of player
48:20 <Mort-> Because mainly rogues sneak around right?
48:31 <Kzar> I guess
48:33 <Mort-> How do you sneak in a dungeon if you need to carry a light
48:36 <Kzar> or try to sweet talk their way through
48:42 <Wrothmonk> Loonies: Chased off a cliff by naked women in football helmets. Thats in a monty python movie!
48:47 <Kzar> but that might not work on orcs
48:51 <Mort-> Unless you switch the elf traits for dark vision
49:01 <Mort-> There is one elf trait for it
49:23 <Mort-> Its hard to sneak when you need to carry a light where you go
49:29 <Mort-> Story line wise
49:35 <Kzar> Yea
49:45 <Mort-> I wouldn't fault a gm for saying i couldnt sneak while carrying a torch
49:58 <Kzar> I would expect the gm to tell me it can't be done
50:24 <Mort-> Thus if you want to sneak dark vision ftw
50:35 <Mort-> Half orcs. Dwaves.
50:37 <Kzar> can you just change racial traits like that?
50:58 <Mort-> There is an alternate racial trait for elves
51:04 <Mort-> Drow born or something
51:20 <Wrothmonk> There are limits, its all in the ARG (advanced race guide)
52:29 <Kzar> might be a little annoying to get dazzled by bright light
52:54 <Mort-> Dusk elf
53:26 <Kzar> I thought dusk elf wasn't allowed?
53:35 <Mort-> Not?
53:39 <Mort-> I'm not sure
54:53 <Kzar> darkvision is not allowed according to the additional resources list
55:06 <Kzar> so there goes that :P
55:22 <Wrothmonk> can't be dark vision as a whole
56:01 <Wrothmonk> as an alternate racial trait, its not legal.
56:15 <Kzar> I mean as an alternative racial trait for elves
56:20 <Wrothmonk> ah.
57:25 <Mort-> The reduction in con will hurt
57:27 <Mort-> Though
57:41 <Mort-> Which means probably half orcs make the best rogues
57:54 <Wrothmonk> that seems kinda odd actually...
58:11 <Wrothmonk> Orcs being in my mind great warriors that bash things… not sneak.
58:24 <Wrothmonk> basically the hulk only smaller.
58:59 <Mort-> Ah have you seen a not so typical orc rogue?
59:06 <Mort-> 1 level multi class fighter
59:09 <Wrothmonk> Nope
59:16 <Mort-> X scout
59:21 <Mort-> Archtype
59:43 <Mekkis> I've played a dwarf rogue
59:49 <Mekkis> wears full-plate
59:54 <Mekkis> carries a battleaxe
59:58 <Wrothmonk> I could see that.
00:00 <Mort-> Charges with a lucene hammer then applies the whole sap master sap adept feats
00:11 <Wrothmonk> Especially for you.
00:15 <Mort-> 8d6 sneak attack damage every time he charges
00:34 <Mort-> With i think its 8d6+16 or something
00:35 <Mekkis> what, because I've already stated how sneak attack from stealth doesn't work?
01:01 <Mort-> No stealth involved
01:05 <Mort-> Just scout charge
01:06 <Wrothmonk> A dwarf carrying a battleaxe thats a rouge just fits you.
01:17 <Mekkis> scout's a 3.5 class
01:19 <Mort-> As long as you're charging target is considered flat footed
01:26 <Mort-> Its a rogue archtype
01:28 <Mort-> Look at it
02:39 <Mort-> Pick locks. Disarm traps?
02:39 <Mort-> suse
02:41 <Mort-> Sure
02:49 <Mort-> And also charge with a hammer :p
08:45 <Kzar> Do I understand the rules right, just 1 point in a skill at level 1?
09:40 <Mekkis> correct
09:51 * Mort- wags tail
10:41 <Wrothmonk> But you have 8+ your int of points to spend
13:00 * Mekkis inwardly weeps
19:48 <Mekkis> Why is the Rogue in chapter 3 rather than chapter 14?
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27:34 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Wed Feb 27 19:52:44 2013
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27:50 * Mekkis inwardly weeps
27:51 <Mekkis> Why is the Rogue in chapter 3 rather than chapter 14?
28:04 <Wrothmonk> ?
28:07 <Wrothmonk> Why would it be?
28:16 <Wrothmonk> oh.
28:19 <Mekkis> because it's a horrible class for player characters to take
28:22 <Wrothmonk> heh.
28:24 <Wrothmonk> I see
28:35 <Kzar> what is wrong with rogue?
28:53 <Wrothmonk> stealth is very hard to pull off in PFS
29:15 <Mekkis> in Pathfinder in general
29:30 <Wrothmonk> with ought invisibility that is.
29:53 <Mekkis> and sneak attack offers a very poor risk vs reward
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10:46 <Avatar> sneak attack would be helped with d8 on the dice
11:23 <Avatar> hell, boost it to d12
11:25 <Avatar> guns are up there
12:36 <Wrothmonk> if It was a d12 I'd be rolling a rouge for certain.
13:44 <Mekkis> rouge isn't a class
13:46 <Mekkis> it's a colour
14:31 <Wrothmonk> autocorrect.
14:46 <Wrothmonk> I can't spell it right and it picks the colour.
14:49 <Mekkis> then correct your autocorrection
15:03 <Mekkis> but I disagree with the d8 helping
15:12 <Avatar> d12?
15:27 <Mekkis> no. Just a rewrite of the stealth rules
15:39 <Mekkis> define the DC to seeing something in plain sight
15:49 <Avatar> flanking as a rogue to sneak attack works perfectly though
15:57 <Mekkis> and only allow one reactive perception check per round
16:15 <Mekkis> require that sneak attack can only be performed by a light weapon
16:16 <Avatar> you're talking about fixing stealth, not rogue
16:23 <Mekkis> and give the rogue full BAB
16:30 <Avatar> maybe stealth should be in chapter 14
16:43 <Mekkis> Stealth is one of the reasons why the rogue doesn't work
16:46 <Mekkis> it's the main reason
17:09 <Mekkis> maybe give rogues AC bonuses for being in light armour
17:10 <Avatar> so what does magical knack actually do
17:24 <Mekkis> say you're a rogue2 / wizard 4
17:28 <Avatar> sneak attack being d6's every level is shit
17:35 <Avatar> sorry, every SECOND level
17:43 <Avatar> every level would be shit
17:47 <Mekkis> your caster level is 4, so your Glitterdust will last 4 rounds.
17:54 <Avatar> let alone the current every seocnd
18:03 <Mekkis> with Magical Knack, your caster level is 6, so Glitterdust lasts 6 rounds
18:21 <Mekkis> that's all it does
18:25 <Wrothmonk> however rogue 3 wizard four will still be cl 6
18:29 <Mekkis> correct
18:30 <Avatar> so what does it do specifically
18:39 <Avatar> just +2 to CL?
18:50 <Mekkis> yes
18:54 <Wrothmonk> unless your hit die matches your CL
18:56 <Mekkis> but no greater than your HD
20:06 <Mekkis> YAY, a red dragon
20:25 <Wrothmonk> ?
20:41 * Mekkis proceeds to kill the red dragon
20:44 <Mekkis> I'm playing Slashem
21:16 * Mekkis eats its corpse
21:24 * Wrothmonk proceeds to blow up spacecraft that is 90&% fuel due to distraction
22:27 <Avatar> does that increase save DC's
22:29 <Mekkis> no
22:39 <Wrothmonk> well not really… I wanted to blame it on something...
22:49 <Avatar> I don't know what's wrong with James that his save DCs are so damn low
22:50 <Mekkis> in increases damage for things like fireball, and increases CL checks for spell resistance
22:58 <Mekkis> James?
23:02 <Mekkis> !find James
23:02 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
23:03 <Avatar> my archaeologist
23:22 <Avatar> have I counted it wrong
23:53 <Mekkis> seems correct
23:57 <Avatar> looks right to me, 10 + spell level + cha mod
23:59 <Mekkis> 13/14/15
24:16 <Avatar> he has trouble getting any spells through at his level
24:25 <Mekkis> are you surprised?
24:30 <Avatar> yeah
24:35 <Avatar> always saves of +9 or whatever
24:50 <Mekkis> target their low saves
24:56 <Mekkis> or stop trying to target saves
24:58 <Avatar> I didn't think a 16 cha would be that bad
25:09 <Avatar> well he's a bard, not a wizard
25:15 <Avatar> I don't have a lot of options
25:17 <Mekkis> well, 16 cha isn't bad
25:50 <Avatar> I always thought 16 is enough, 14 is too low, 18 is comfortably enough
25:51 <Mekkis> it's the savage multiclassing that's hurting you
26:00 <Avatar> well that's what I thought
26:10 <Avatar> but 10 + spell level + cha has no effect there
27:48 <Avatar> I haven't got it wrong have I
27:59 <Avatar> more levels in archaeologist would just give me higher level spells
28:16 <Mekkis> higher level spells = higher DCs
28:23 <Mekkis> it also gives you the ability to choose more spells
28:50 <Mekkis> (I've always thought that with a character like that, you'll probably want to take spells that don't force saves)
33:09 <Avatar> I've had big trouble picking spells
33:48 <Avatar> should probably focus more on buffing
34:10 <Mekkis> yeah
34:17 <Mekkis> glibness :)
34:35 <Kzar> I'm trying to pick gear, but wonder what is really necessary
34:51 <Mekkis> a weapon, and possibly some armour
35:10 <Wrothmonk> maybe a shield
35:15 <Wrothmonk> a light source of some sort
35:21 <Wrothmonk> flour for tossing on invisible guys
35:22 <Kzar> even without proficiency?
35:48 <Avatar> yeah glibness is the best
35:54 <Avatar> that is the first spell I am picking up next level
36:00 <Kzar> flour sounds really useful
36:05 <Wrothmonk> There are shields with ought a penalty, those you can use with ought proficiency at no cost.
36:16 <Wrothmonk> I think
36:21 <Wrothmonk> Mekkis?
36:47 <Kzar> I should give Elves of Golarion a read soon
37:13 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, since you've been using "with ought" so many times, there's obviously something wrong. Try "without".
37:23 <Mekkis> they mean completely different things
37:39 <Wrothmonk> autocorrect hates me, for some reason it doesn't see that as a word.
37:53 <Kzar> autocorrect hates everyone
37:55 <Mekkis> remind me not to use whatever software you're using
38:06 <Wrothmonk> You arent
38:09 <Wrothmonk> its a mac thing :(
38:15 <Kzar> I can't seem to ever be able to type a message on my smartphone without it turning into something else
38:22 <Mekkis> why don't you write your own IRC client :P
38:22 <Wrothmonk> ^This
39:05 <Kzar> and the few times I do a very minor typo, the autocorrect doesn't manage to correct it
39:08 <Wrothmonk> I only know lua really and even that is a stretch.
39:21 <Wrothmonk> No clue how :P
39:39 <Avatar> yeah you really have to fix it chief
39:44 <Avatar> there must be a way to add new words
39:45 <Mekkis> whenever I learn a programming language, I write an IRC client or an IRC bot in it... you should too..
39:47 <Avatar> or change the ones you're entering
39:49 <Mekkis> Kzar, what class?
39:58 <Kzar> I'm a rogue
40:09 <Avatar> smartphones aren't designed to automatically use only the word it predicts without you being able to make corrections
40:18 <Mekkis> WHY Why why why why? :''(
40:48 <Kzar> Avatar, yea, but you type the word without typos and then you hit space and autocorrect then "fixes" it :p
41:00 <Kzar> it's not so much planned
42:28 <Mekkis> Kzar, you'll want to get a melee weapon, a ranged weapon, whatever tools you're planning on using, and some armour if you can afford it
43:48 <Wrothmonk> armor is a large priority, especially for squishy rouges. In my opinion at least.
45:18 <Mekkis> you're doing it again, Wrothmonk 
45:30 <Wrothmonk> yes
45:32 <Wrothmonk> I know
45:35 <Mekkis> armour can usually wait until after your first adventure
45:55 <Wrothmonk> Well it depends if you want melee
47:40 <Avatar> there is a way around that
47:49 <Mekkis> yeah
47:52 <Avatar> it offers the suggestion and if you don't close it off, it assumes it was right
47:58 <Mekkis> play We Be Goblins
52:03 <Mekkis> but I'll tell you now that I don't know how to play a rogue, and the only rogues I've seen played well are ones with several other classes to their names. Ask Ulzef for instance.
52:18 <Kzar> We Be Goblins actually looks like it'd be fun to play
52:35 <Wrothmonk> It is.
56:20 <Mekkis> You feel very attracted to the succubus.
56:20 <Mekkis> The succubus murmurs in your ear, while helping you undress.
56:20 <Mekkis> "Take off your cloak; it's in the way."
56:20 <Mekkis> "Shall I remove your suit, dear?" [yn] (n)
56:20 <Mekkis> "Shall I remove your gloves, lover?" [yn] (n)
56:20 <Mekkis> Time stands still while you and the succubus lie in each other's arms...
56:20 <Mekkis> You seem to have enjoyed it more than the succubus...
56:20 <Mekkis> That was a very educational experience.  You feel more experienced.
56:20 <Mekkis> Welcome to experience level 13.
56:20 <Mekkis> The succubus takes 77 zorkmids for services rendered!
02:32 <Wrothmonk> ...
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27:00 <Mekkis> !item staff of many rays
27:07 <diebot> Mekkis, STAFF OF MANY RAYS [moderate evocation and necromancy] CL:11 none 57200gp, 5lb
27:07 <diebot> The elaborate swirls and delicate flecks of shining metal adorning the head of this pale wooden shaft make it seem almost as much a long mace as a staff. It allows use of the following spells: • Ray of enfeeblement (1 charge) • Ray of exhaustion (1 charge) • Scorching ray (1 charge) • Enervation (2 charges) • Disintegrate (3 charges)
27:07 <diebot> Source: Ultimate Equipment
28:26 <Mekkis> Kzar: I'll make an opinionated suggestion. I recommend that your first character should not be a rogue...
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28:58 <Steven> sup sup
29:03 <Wrothmonk> Hello
29:26 <Mekkis> I levelled up by screwing a succubus
29:38 <Steven> congrats...
29:54 <Steven> did she make sweet sweet love to you with negative levels?
31:24 <Mekkis> no
31:33 <Mekkis> I enjoyed it more than she did
31:37 <Steven> thats too bad... those negative levels are always worth it.
32:07 <Mekkis> it was a very educational experience 
33:08 <Steven> did she teach you the fine line between pain and pleasure?
34:41 <Mekkis> we didn't go into that level of details 
36:31 <Mekkis> I played Fortress of the Nail
36:36 <Mekkis> too
36:56 <Steven> kick ass, i played temple of empyreal enlightenment
37:21 <Steven> and im super glad my character was a zealous follower of the teachings of Irori
37:31 <Mekkis> I thought you'd already played it
37:42 <Steven> no, it ws one of of the ones i hadnt played before
38:23 <Mekkis> is it true you haven't yet played Shadow's Last Stand II?
38:33 <Steven> i dont believe ive played that one
38:49 <Mekkis> I'll add it to my agenda
39:07 <Steven> dont bother man, ill play it eventually
39:20 <Steven> in other news... they released two different scenarios today!
39:34 <Mekkis> the demon thingy?
39:57 <Mekkis> I'll be playing that next Wednesday 
40:14 <Steven> fabric of reality!
40:21 <Steven> and the cyphermage dilema
41:04 <Mekkis> cool. I've wanted to read Cyphermage
41:34 <Mekkis> I'm still annoyed at Antagonise not working there...
42:12 <Steven> what you talking about?
42:32 <Mekkis> in the final encounter 
42:43 <Mekkis> better not spoil it anymore
43:32 <Steven> i dont remember most scenarios anymore
44:28 <Brunius> Cyphermage is pretty good
44:34 <Brunius> I played it under Darkwhite
44:54 <Brunius> Apparently we were the the only group he had seen get both of something
45:07 <Mekkis> yeah.. on that scenario, the Spirit of Freedom added two boats to the fleet!
45:13 <Brunius> ha
45:14 <Avatar> I want to play cyphermage
45:25 <Mekkis> you didn't play it?
45:29 <Avatar> no
45:30 <Steven> alright avatar... find some more players
45:31 <Avatar> when did it run
45:34 <Steven> ill run it
45:40 <Avatar> just need to set up a schedule chief
45:44 <Avatar> if you book them they will come
45:46 <Mekkis> I thought Buck was on my table at arcanacon
45:56 <Steven> nah, fuck that, we doing a pick up game!
45:56 <Avatar> this arcanacon?
45:59 <Mekkis> or was it conq
46:02 <Mekkis> conquest 
46:06 <Mekkis> last year
46:07 <Avatar> too late right now
46:10 <Avatar> gotta start 2 hours ago
46:23 <Avatar> I don't remember what I played at conquest
46:28 <Avatar> that was forever ago
46:38 <Steven> always an excuse avatar!
46:40 <Brunius> You just can't remember
46:52 <Avatar> yeah I just said I don't remember
47:11 <Mekkis>  Steven: I played it when it was 3-EX, can I replay it for credit now it's 4-15 or whatever?
47:22 <Steven> nope
47:31 <Brunius> Yeah I got that clarified by darkwhite before
47:44 <Brunius> When Ballig was bugging me to play Midnight Mauler again
47:56 <Mekkis> I'm happy that Magical Knack is legal now!
48:14 <Avatar> it doesn't look that bad, not sure why it was banned in the first place
48:25 <Steven> because
48:25 <Avatar> I find it funny that snowball got banned
48:29 <Avatar> I've never actually seen it used
48:40 <Steven> its a bad trait to have available
48:48 <Avatar> doesnt' seem like it
48:49 <Mekkis> because Frost read it wrong, and banned it in 2009, when traits first came out
49:22 <Mekkis> we've only needed to go through 2 campaign staff to get it unbanned!
50:23 <Steven> It allows Magus to take 2 level dip into fighter picking up 2 extra feats without losing anything on their shocking grasp
51:03 <Steven> that to me is just empowering an already very powerful class.
51:13 <Avatar> but don't most traits work that way
51:40 <Avatar> even magi still lose things by not taking levels of magus 
51:57 <Steven> they dont lose near as much as they gain.
52:12 <Avatar> I don't know for sure because I don't understand magus that well
52:35 <Mekkis> steven: when they banned it, the Magus didn't exist. Hell, the Bestiary wasn't out!
52:48 <Steven> yeah, it should just have stayed banned in my opinion
53:08 <Avatar> so why ban it initially
53:14 <Mekkis> al
53:44 <Avatar> maybe they should ban magus
53:49 <Mekkis> also, if the Magus is taking it, he ISN'T taking Magical Lineage (shocking grasp)
53:52 <Steven> I'd be okay with that.
54:05 <Avatar> I don't see many maguses
54:12 <Avatar> actually I don't think I've ever GM'd one
54:29 <Mekkis> Avatar: you never GMed Mort's 
54:29 <Avatar> as in seen a player in one of my games with a magus
54:34 <Mekkis> ?
54:37 <Avatar> I've played an npc magus
54:43 <Avatar> no I haven't seen mort's magus
55:05 <Mekkis> he's dead now
55:18 <Avatar> I think mort avoids me because I've called her crazy too many times
55:35 <Steven> We have 3-4 players at the shop that have Magus' all of them can do massive damage that one shot encounters that should be challenging.
55:55 <Mekkis> Steven: Intensified Shocking Grasp?
56:02 <Steven> yup
56:03 <Avatar> how much damage are we talking
56:11 <Avatar> what's intensified shocking grasp
56:11 <Mekkis> Magical Lineage?
56:24 <Steven> usually 100-200 damage all depends on if the magus crits
56:40 <Wrothmonk> what level?
56:54 <Mekkis> you get a rapier or a scimitar, get the crit range to 15-20, and cast a shocking grasp through it
57:06 <Steven> they can do that level 5 super easy
57:21 <Mekkis> then it crits, doing weapon damage + 30d6 shocking damage or so
57:28 <Avatar> what the fuck?
57:31 <Steven> yup
57:35 <Avatar> how
57:44 <Mekkis> intensifieds
57:45 <Avatar> map that one out
57:46 <Wrothmonk> daaaaaaaaam
57:49 <Avatar> what does intensify do
58:03 <Mekkis> !feat intensify spell 
58:05 <diebot> Mekkis, INTENSIFIED SPELL [Metamagic] Your spells can go beyond several normal limitations. 
58:05 <diebot> Benefit:  An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat. An
58:06 <diebot> intensified spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level. Source: APG
58:50 <Avatar> so is that from level 5 onwards
59:02 <Avatar> 6 onwards
59:17 <Mekkis> sure, but they increase their caster level beyond their HD
59:31 <Avatar> how
00:02 <Mekkis> !feat Spell Specialisation 
00:03 <diebot> Mekkis, SPELL SPECIALIZATION []Prereq:  Int 13, Spell Focus.  Select one spell. You cast that spell with greater than normal power.
00:04 <diebot> Benefit:  Select one spell of a school for which you have taken the Spell Focus feat. Treat your caster level as being two higher for all level-variable effects of the spell. Every time you gain an even level in the spellcasting class you chose your spell from, you can choose a new spell to replace the spell selected with this feat, and that
00:04 <diebot> spell becomes your specialized spell.
00:04 <diebot> Special:  You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different spell. Source: UM
00:13 <Steven> my favorite was a magus
00:28 <Steven> had a keen spellstoring flying blade(great sword on a chain)
00:43 <Steven> had an intensified shocking grasp cast into it
00:57 <Avatar> I still don't see how this gets to 30d6 damage
01:04 <Wrothmonk> I can see why magical knack should be banned. Getting two extra feats like that can really OP a magus...
01:23 <Steven> full round of attacks, crit on the spellstrike which was a maximized intensified shocking grasp
01:27 <Mekkis> avatar: toss on empower
01:50 <Steven> and then discharged the spellstored one as a free action
02:01 <Steven> i was just like... yeah it exploads... no need to roll damage
02:12 <Mekkis> with Magical Lineage, its level isn't that great
02:31 <Avatar> so what level are we talking that you have to be to do 30d6
02:37 <Mekkis> or what steven said
03:02 <Wrothmonk> so is it like 10d6 with ought the crit?
03:15 <Wrothmonk> I'm having a bit of trouble following.
03:17 <Mekkis> without the crit it would be 15d6
03:22 <Steven> and melissa was like... no no i want to roll so we spent five minutes counting out her hit
03:22 <Avatar> I'm having a lot of trouble following
03:37 <Avatar> this sounds like we're talking around level 10
03:49 <Mekkis> no: CL10
03:55 <Avatar> and what level
04:02 <Wrothmonk> 6 I think
04:08 <Mekkis> it's doable at 6
04:15 <Mekkis> I'd think
04:35 <Avatar> okay so at 6, you're doing 6d6 with magical knack and intensify
04:42 <Avatar> empower would boost that to say 9d6
04:47 <Mekkis> magical lineage
04:52 <Mekkis> not knack
04:55 <Avatar> what does magical lineage do
05:17 <Steven> 4d12+42+30d6
05:22 <Steven> was her damaage
05:22 <Mekkis> choose a spell: metamagics on it raise it by one fewer level
05:36 <Steven> !throw 4d12+42+30d6
05:38 <diebot> Steven, 4d12+42+30d6: [4d12=6,7,5,12; 30d6=2,6,2,1,1,4,3,6,6,3,2,3,3,3,2,6,1,2,5,6,2,5,3,2,3,1,4,1,1,3] 164
05:54 <Wrothmonk> holy mother of rolls...
06:06 <Mekkis> so intensified shocking grasp would be a level 1 spell; empowered intensified shocking grasp would be 2nd level
06:31 <Avatar> !feat empower spell
06:31 <diebot> Avatar, EMPOWER SPELL [Metamagic] You can increase the power of your spells, causing them to deal more damage.
06:32 <diebot> Benefit:  All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by half, including bonuses to those dice rolls. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. An empowered spell uses up a spell slot two levels higher than the spell’s actual level. Source: Core
06:57 <Steven> and she was able to do that like 8 times a day before she was completely out of shocking grasps... at which point she still hit for 1d12+a fucking truck.
07:01 <Avatar> that's still 9d6
07:29 <Steven> im just guessing its like 42 damage i think she actually added more
07:37 <Steven> because she was a str build magus
07:39 <Mekkis> now use something like various regional traits, and feats to increase the CL by 3
07:56 <Avatar> what feats
08:03 <Mekkis> spell specialisation 
08:08 <Mekkis> varisian tattoo
08:10 <Avatar> even traits is a stretch considering magical knack was banned
08:37 <Avatar> !feat varisian tattoo
08:38 <diebot> Avatar, KIRIN PATH [Combat] You turn knowledge of your enemy into a flawless defense. Prerequisites: Int 13, Kirin Strike, Kirin Style, Improved Unarmed Strike, Knowledge (arcana) 12 ranks, Knowledge (dungeoneering, local, nature, planes, or religion) 5 ranks. Benefit: Whenever you make a Knowledge check to identify a creature, even when using
08:38 <diebot> Kirin Style, you can take 10 even if stress and distractions would normally prevent you from doing so. While using Kirin Style against a creature you have identified using that feat, if the creature ends its turn within your threatened area, you can spend a use of your attacks of opportunity that round to move up to 5 feet times your Intelligence
08:38 <diebot> modifier (minimum 1). You must end your move in a square threatened by the creature. This move does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
08:38 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
08:44 <Mekkis> MAGICAL KNACK CANNOT INCREASE CL OVER HD!
09:10 <Avatar> okay so you're talking about a trait that is stronger than magical knack
09:15 <Avatar> that wasn't banned
09:17 <Mekkis> They didn't use magical knack, and they cannot use magical knack for that purpose
09:33 <Mekkis> Avatar: sure, but it only works for one spell
10:36 <Avatar> varisian tattoo will give you +1 CL
10:41 <Avatar> and specialisation is +2
10:44 <Avatar> so that'll do for the +3
10:48 <Mekkis> ok
11:00 <Avatar> at level 6, you can only get up to 11d6
11:09 <Mekkis> 13d6
11:19 <Avatar> which gets applied first, intensify or empower?
11:27 <Mekkis> intensify 
11:33 <Mekkis> then you crit
11:50 <Steven> the whole point of this is magus is exceptionally powerful
11:57 <Avatar> 16d6 with empower
12:26 <Avatar> how do you get to 30d6
12:36 <Avatar> that was maximised?
12:44 <Mekkis> you crit
12:44 <Avatar> that doesn't work at all
12:49 <Mekkis> multiply by 2
12:55 <Avatar> 11d6 x2 = 22d6
13:04 <Mekkis> 15d6
13:13 <Avatar> okay, 15
13:18 <Mekkis> there's a trait that give +1CL
13:29 <Mekkis> crit, and it's 30d6
13:46 <Avatar> what, 15 instead of 11
14:05 <Avatar> I can't see how you get there
14:11 <Mekkis> CL10
14:23 <Mekkis> intensified empowered shocking grasp
14:26 <Avatar> varisian, speciailisation, trait is CL +4, okay
14:37 <Mekkis> and you're 6th level
15:08 <Avatar> yeah you're right
15:26 <Steven> magus=as bad as synthesists
15:29 <Avatar> fucking hell
15:45 <Avatar> I didn't run synthesists in my games
15:49 <Avatar> I probably won't run maguses either !
15:57 <Steven> im not a fan of summoners, gunslingers, and magus'
16:08 <Mekkis> magi
16:13 <Avatar> yeah magi
16:35 <Avatar> season 4 has me scared not to powergame
16:48 <Steven> I built a gunslinger and i had to multiclass just to get him not to be stupid powerful
16:57 <Steven> and he is still pretty damn powerful
17:01 <Mekkis> if I ever build a magus, he won't use shocking grasp
17:13 <Avatar> a magus who doesn't abuse is probably okay
17:16 <Steven> i have one that uses chill touch
17:36 <Steven> and only preps one shocking grasp, and he didnt do any +CL tricks
18:03 <Mekkis> what about Mort's dazing flaming sphere BS
18:45 <Avatar> I decided on going down the improved critical road with Buck and I am regretting it with the amount of damage I'm doing
19:10 <Avatar> I am really quite terrible at picking feats
20:20 <Mekkis> flood complained about the AC of Perfection, so I dropped it from 30 to 25 when I levelled
20:45 <Avatar> how
20:56 <Steven> avatar... good news if you GM at GenCon as a Teir 1 GM you can get a 1 time only complete rebuild of your character!
21:13 <Avatar> what is a tier 1 GM
21:36 <Mekkis> took the Large evolution and lost a lot of Improved Natural Armour evolutions
21:50 <Avatar> oh yeah, summoner
22:04 <Avatar> that's a benefit though really
22:14 <Mekkis> yeah
22:28 <Mekkis> you pretty much get a rebuild every level 
22:36 <Avatar> Steven
22:43 <Steven> it means you GM 7+ tables at GenCon
23:23 <Avatar> I've never GM'd at a con before
23:44 <Mekkis> As I told wrothmonk, just take a level in a class that gets banned!
23:49 <Steven> its really just like GMing anywhere, only you shout a whole lot more
24:14 <Mekkis> Avatar mainly GMs online 
24:19 <Avatar> and you can't turn magi or synthesists away
24:35 <Mekkis> you can turn synthesists away
24:42 <Avatar> well yeah
24:43 <Mekkis> you are required to!
31:55 <Avatar> someone on the forums made a post talking about running a campaign where the astral plane ceased to exist all of a sudden
32:00 <Avatar> and asked what the ramifications would be
32:22 <Wrothmonk> No magic, at the very least no summoning.
32:34 <Mekkis> no teleportation
32:40 <Avatar> synthesists would be banned
32:44 <Wrothmonk> heh.
32:54 <Mekkis> interplanar travel would be difficult 
33:06 <Mekkis> ghosts wouldn't work
33:24 <Wrothmonk> the tapestry thing would be non-functional
33:33 <Avatar> the tapestry thing?
33:34 <Wrothmonk> bag of holding probably wouldnt work.
33:45 <Wrothmonk> From the last few campaigns I've played.
33:47 <Avatar> it's only the most important item of season 3 
33:52 <Avatar> the hao jin tapestry
33:59 <Avatar> not "the tapestry thing"
33:59 <Wrothmonk> Thats it.
34:02 <Avatar> what's the matter with you
34:08 <Avatar> show some respect
34:10 <Wrothmonk> I don't remember names well!
34:22 <Wrothmonk> plus my character that I played it on had a low int!
34:26 <Mekkis> why?
34:26 <Wrothmonk> :P
34:34 <Avatar> you may as well have forgotten that you're a pathfinder
34:36 <Mekkis> none of them use the astral plane
34:48 <Wrothmonk> I thought they did?
34:54 <Mekkis> nope
35:10 <Mekkis> there are other planes than just the material and the astral
35:30 <Mekkis> Shadow Walk would actually be USED!
35:58 <Steven> considering to get to the shadow plane you travel through the astral plane... nope
36:13 <Mekkis> no
36:30 <Mekkis> the shadow plane is coexistant with the material 
37:58 <Steven> still to leave the material plane you have to touch the astral plane
38:16 <Steven> its the conduit
38:30 <Mekkis> you sure?
38:45 <Steven> from the SRD
38:47 <Steven>  When a character moves through a portal or projects her spirit to a different plane of existence, she travels through the Astral Plane.
38:58 <Mekkis> oh
39:22 <Steven> so when shadow walking, you leave the material plane via the astral plane and arrive on the shadow plane.
39:45 <Mekkis> A Wizard would develop a different method 
39:52 <Steven> probably
40:07 <Steven> if there was no astral plane another plane would shift into its roll more than likely
40:25 <Steven> Otherwise gods would have no power in the material plane since they live in another plane
40:52 <Wrothmonk> pooh clerics would have some trouble.
40:52 <Steven> they would probably create the astral plane out of neccesity 
40:54 <Wrothmonk> ooh*
41:18 <Steven> no your original statement holds up... pooh clerics would have some trouble
41:42 <Steven> since they couldnt travel to the imagination plane
42:25 <Steven> winnie the pooh jokes... always good
42:38 <Wrothmonk> ...
49:53 <Steven> do you not know about winnie the pooh?
50:25 <Wrothmonk> I know
50:34 <Wrothmonk> I just didn't like the joke much
50:50 <Steven> you shut your whore mouth!
53:32 <Steven> time to watch crappy scifi
54:02 <Wrothmonk> Which is it?
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23:22 <Mekkis> Steven: suggest me some things I should get for my cleric, who hasn't bought anything since I made him...
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41:47 <Steven> level
41:54 <Steven> and gold prestige limit
42:49 <Mekkis> level 4, 15 prestige, 3900gp
43:36 <Steven> diety
46:35 <Mekkis> erastil
48:39 <Steven> Vest of Surgery
48:52 <Steven> once per day DC20 Heal check, cures 1d4 ability damage
52:32 <Steven> also anything that helps against Demons... season 5 is going to deal mostly with the worldwound
58:50 <Mekkis> !item Vest of Surgery
58:51 <diebot> Mekkis, VEST OF SURGERY [faint conjuration] CL:5 chest 3000gp, 4lb
58:52 <diebot> This emerald vest has four prominent and bulging pockets along its front. The wearer is always treated as if using a healer's kit when making Heal checks (Core Rulebook 161). Once per day, the wearer can make a DC 20 Heal check as if attempting to treat deadly wounds. If the check is successful, it cures 1d4 points of ability damage instead of hit
58:52 <diebot> point damage. Source: Ultimate Equipment
59:25 <Mekkis> any other suggestions?
06:49 <Steven> nope... i gave mine.
07:06 <Steven> daily lesser restoration is my suggestion
13:32 <Mekkis> that's like a pearl of power II that's 1000gp less, works only on one spell, and requires a DC20 skill check
20:16 <Mekkis> wow... I killed someone by kicking a frag grenade at him.
20:20 <Mekkis> The grenade didn't go off
20:37 <Wrothmonk> what game?
20:44 <Wrothmonk> and was the grenade yours?
20:50 <Mekkis> slashem
26:11 <Wrothmonk> goddamnit...
26:17 <Wrothmonk> the mac version is out of date.
26:34 <Mekkis> just use telnet or ssh
26:41 <Mekkis> connect to a public server 
26:46 <Mekkis> that's where all the fun happens
26:56 <Mekkis> telnet slashem.crash-override.net
27:11 <Mekkis> (or ssh [email protected] , password slashem )
29:09 <Wrothmonk> Ah thanks
29:29 <Mekkis> you can watch my game in progress...
29:54 <Wrothmonk> Really?
29:57 <Mekkis> yeah
30:06 <Mekkis> it's an option on the main menu
30:41 <Wrothmonk> Under mekkis right :P
30:44 <Mekkis> of course
41:35 <Mekkis> did you see that, Wrothmonk?
42:16 <Wrothmonk> Uhh no, I was trying to find the key for the characters
42:26 <Mekkis> oh
42:30 <Mekkis> the @ is me
42:38 <Mekkis> any letter is another creature
42:39 <Wrothmonk> Guessed that
42:52 <Wrothmonk> I've played a little netback, is it the same here?
42:55 <Mekkis> yeah
42:56 <Wrothmonk> nethack*
43:04 * Wrothmonk strangles autocorrect
44:06 <Wrothmonk> You've been playing for a while then :P
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49:44 <Mort-> Hi
49:54 <Mekkis> hi mort
50:05 * Mort- waves
50:06 <Steven> you asked me what was a good item for a cleric.  The item is good for a cleric.  Pearls of power are just decent all around.
50:11 <Mort-> Oh dear
50:18 * Mort- growls at Steven
50:30 <Mekkis> Mort-, what should my cleric buy
50:39 <Mekkis> he hasn't bought anything since I rolled him up
51:00 <Steven> mort you should probably get over whatever it is you think there is between us
51:18 <Steven> my other suggestion is armor mekkis
51:25 <Mort-> Reach rod
51:28 <Steven> help ya survive.
51:33 <Mort-> Yeah a suit of mail
51:44 <Mekkis> considering extend rod
51:44 <Mort-> Reach rods are nice too
51:47 <Mekkis> for silence :)
52:10 <Mort-> Extend is good too but i thought more of a druid thing
54:06 <Steven> double duration for buffs/debuffs good stuff
56:45 <Mekkis> any way to make 1 round casting times shorter?
58:14 <Steven> nope.
58:24 <Mort-> Quicken rod
59:51 <Steven> not really worth it to do on a quickened full round spell as there are very few spells worth a shit that you would want to cast quickened.
00:19 <Mekkis> any summon?
00:22 <Mekkis> silence?
01:13 <Steven> meh... summon spells are really not worth it unless you are specialized in summon
02:48 <Wrothmonk> Hey mekkis, theres two things I don't get.
02:53 <Mekkis> ?
02:58 <Steven> low level summon spells can usually turn the tide and super high level summons are good, middle levels 5-15 are usually just cannon fodder to put between you and an enemy
03:07 <Wrothmonk> One, are /all/ the other letters monsters?
03:11 <Mekkis> yes
03:16 <Wrothmonk> two, what are the ~?
03:22 <Wrothmonk> Thats a lot of monsters.
03:26 <Mekkis> you're using the wrong character set
03:30 <Mekkis> try pressing s
03:44 <Mekkis> or t
03:44 <Wrothmonk> Ah
03:46 <Wrothmonk> thats better
04:35 <Mekkis> what do you think?
07:25 <Wrothmonk> Think of what?
07:33 <Mekkis> the swastika
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12:49 <Steven> it is several lines arranged in a pattern.
12:52 <Steven> thats what i think about it.
13:33 <Mekkis> hmmm... How many gnomes have I killed...
13:59 <Wrothmonk> I've counted around 10 since I started watching.
14:26 <Mekkis> 3 deep gnomes, 12 gnome warriors, 2 gnome kings, 77 gnomes, 2 gnome thieves
17:07 <Steven> its a pity avatar couldnt play, we should have been most of the way through a game by now
19:28 <Steven> yeah i used a scroll of breath of life today on a second level... dumb ass guy was like I have 20 ac at second level... im totaly tanky ill go around opening doors
19:39 <Steven> in a 4-5 game
20:17 <Mekkis> in the temple
20:20 <Mekkis> ow
20:37 <Mekkis> lucky you made your CL check
21:16 <Steven> we burned a reroll to let the inquisitor do it
23:26 <Steven> he was the only one with UMD
26:36 <Mekkis> wow
27:29 <Mort-> Umd check like what?
29:18 <Steven> its a DC 29 to umd BoL
29:59 <Mekkis> isn't it 25 + spell level?
30:02 <Mekkis> or DC30?
30:16 <Steven> its 20+caster level
34:07 <Steven> the inquisitor had to roll a 18+ to use the scroll with all his bonuses
34:42 <Steven> but yeah... i dont think that guy is going to go opening anymore doors
35:17 <Steven> 1 scifi movie down... on to the next!
36:29 <Steven> time for predators!
36:49 <Mekkis> the 2010 movie?
37:06 <Mekkis> the recent one?
37:11 <Steven> the 2010
37:22 <Steven> i didnt really enjoy prometheus
39:05 <Mekkis> Steven, do you think Bracers of Falcon's Aim should be banned?
39:26 <Steven> probably should have their price increased at the very least
40:44 <Mekkis> I mean, sure it's better than Bracers of Archery
40:58 <Mekkis> but isn't that because Bracers of Archery are overpriced?
42:23 <Steven> no, because it does too much for so little
43:21 <Mekkis> (that being said, the price is probably a bit low)
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43:31 <Mekkis> I'd say that 7000 or so would be more appropriate
44:54 <Steven> I would go more like 15k or so
45:02 <Mekkis> seriously?
45:34 <Steven> yup
47:04 <Steven> keen for a bow that doesnt take up weapon enhancements
47:11 <Mekkis> up there with Gloves of Duelling?
48:09 <Steven> yup
48:42 <Mekkis> I suppose we'll see what the verdict is
57:59 <Mekkis> I'm thinking that on the back of Deceased's business cards, I'll but some OOC stuff: initiative modifier, perception modifier, sense motive, languages, saves...
58:08 <Mekkis> s/but/put/
00:20 <Wrothmonk> Perhaps an enlarged logo and moto?
01:13 <Steven> if you do that stuff you will have to print new ones every level
01:19 <Mekkis> true
01:33 <Mekkis> I was thinking of putting the headings and penning them in as I hand them out
02:07 <Mekkis> he xorn is stunned.  The xorn is caught in a bear trap!
02:08 <Mekkis> The xorn eats a bear trap!
02:11 <Steven> anyways, if you guys wanna have a good item for melee characters go get a pendant of the blood scarab
02:20 <Mekkis> That's one method of getting out of the trap
02:29 <Wrothmonk> LOL
02:32 <Mekkis> !item pendent of the blood scarab
02:33 <diebot> Mekkis, PENDANT OF THE BLOOD SCARAB [faint divination] CL:3 neck 1000gp, 0lb
02:33 <diebot> A carved ruby in the shape of a scarab set in gold, this magic amulet grants its wearer insight on where to strike a creature so as to maximize pain and distress. This pendant must be worn against bare flesh in order to function. Once per day, as an immediate action, when the wearer of a pendant of the blood scarab threatens a critical hit with any
02:34 <diebot> attack, he may automatically confirm the critical hit. When the user activates this ability, the pendant's spiky little legs momentarily animate and clutch against the wearer's skin, dealing 1d6 points of damage as the amulet burrows and digs into the wearer's body in apparent delight at the devastating blow inflicted on the enemy. Source: Rival
02:34 <diebot> Guide
02:48 <Mekkis> Who buys the Rival Guide?!
02:54 <Wrothmonk> yes… yes it is a method of getting out of the trap.
03:07 <Wrothmonk> Not good on your mouth, but still a way out.
03:12 <Mekkis> (I don't think it's worth it.. It's not as good as the Dream Journal)
11:57 <Wrothmonk> How do I enable the number pad in slashem? 
12:07 <Mekkis> options:number_pad=2
12:12 <Wrothmonk> ty
12:27 <Mekkis> Real Hackers use hjklyubn
12:34 <Mekkis> (that's what I use)
12:49 <Wrothmonk> I'd like a loot key since I don't think I have a meta key
13:01 <Mekkis> what kind of lame keyboard are you using?
13:11 <Mekkis> and isn't it just #loot for loot?
13:52 <Wrothmonk> oh
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18:13 <Mekkis> The magic-absorbing blade stuns the lemure!  You kill the lemure!
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22:12 <Mort-> What?
22:27 <Wrothmonk> Mekkis is playing slashed.
22:30 <Wrothmonk> slashem*
22:51 * Wrothmonk bites autocorrect
23:12 <Wrothmonk> You miss autocorrect!
23:14 <Wrothmonk> damnit.
23:41 <Steven> i miss hookers and blow.
26:26 <Wrothmonk> ok… theres a dead goblin here I didn't kill… Thats new.
26:37 <Mort-> Oh
26:42 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, don't eat it
26:50 <Wrothmonk> but I'm a vampire!
26:52 <Mekkis> it's a ^
26:53 <Wrothmonk> :P
26:53 * Mort- unfurks
27:04 <Mort-> Unfurls
29:59 <Wrothmonk> well
30:03 <Wrothmonk> my ghoul ate the goblin
30:25 <Mekkis> really? 
30:28 <Mekkis> Vampire Necromancer
30:29 <Wrothmonk> Yup
30:30 <Mekkis> good luck
30:53 <Mekkis> could you try and die somewhere I can recover your bones?
31:07 <Wrothmonk> heh.
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31:20 <Wrothmonk> I can try, although I'd like to know why
31:28 <Mekkis> so I get all your stuff
31:35 <Steven> what the hell are you guys playin?
31:38 <Wrothmonk> slashem
31:49 <Steven> that wierd java program you showed me that one time mek?
31:55 <Mekkis> not java
31:55 <Mekkis> C
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32:06 <Steven> yeah thats the one
32:15 <Wrothmonk> LOL
32:16 <Mekkis> yes
32:30 <Wrothmonk> I went to confront a jackal
32:41 <Wrothmonk> a trap door opens underneath me but I don't fall in
32:43 <Wrothmonk> I back up
32:54 <Wrothmonk> Suddenly, the jackal disappears out of sight.
33:04 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, you have a pickaxe for a reason
33:21 <Wrothmonk> Yeah ik
35:14 <Mekkis> what's your str?
35:27 <Wrothmonk> 14
35:50 <Mekkis> AC?
35:55 <Wrothmonk> 9
36:09 <Mekkis> you need to improve that
36:17 <Wrothmonk> Yeah
36:21 <Wrothmonk> I guessed that
36:24 <Mekkis> -25 here
36:40 <Wrothmonk> how do you get negative?
36:48 <Wrothmonk> that seems a little bad.
36:49 <Mekkis> keep improving it
37:10 <Wrothmonk> I have a food rasion, why does it say I don't have anything to eat?
37:20 <Wrothmonk> ration*
37:22 <Mekkis> vampires don't eat food
37:34 <Wrothmonk> right...
37:36 * Wrothmonk facepalm
39:23 <Wrothmonk> yay just died by being raped by a lichen!
39:30 <Wrothmonk> and starving...
39:53 <Mekkis> you should #pray when starving
40:14 <Wrothmonk> I should pick up corpses if I play a vampire as well...
40:18 <Mekkis> no
40:23 <Wrothmonk> doesn't work?
40:28 <Mekkis> you should drain all the non-corpses you can though
40:37 <Mekkis> s/non-/non-poisonous/
41:59 <Wrothmonk> hrm what should I try next… Suggestions?
44:37 <Mekkis> elvish lawful yeoman
45:10 <Mort-> Lol?
45:14 <Mort-> Is it a net thing
45:16 <Mekkis> ummm.. female
45:41 * Mort- pokes her black nose out
45:55 <Wrothmonk> what does a yeoman do? When I said I played nethack a little I meant I spent ten minutes on one character.
46:07 <Mekkis> rides on a horse and uses a polearm
46:21 <Mekkis> has one of the best sac gifts
46:40 <Mort-> K popping off for my bath
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50:43 <Wrothmonk> Hrm, I think I may do a samurai instead.
51:12 <Mekkis> Somebody whispers: "Food rations? Only 900 zorkmids."
53:07 <Wrothmonk> I keep expecting it to suddenly come up with "The grue has bitten you! You have died!"
53:20 <Wrothmonk> I know its the wrong game but still...
53:32 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, you only get that in the annual nethack tournament
53:41 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
54:16 <Mekkis> want an easy class? Doppelganger monk
59:47 <Wrothmonk> I come with fortune cookies?
05:57 <Mekkis> remember, low AC is good
07:15 <Wrothmonk> You see here a stethoscope… Sorry but what is this doing here? Did some doctor stumble down here or something?
07:29 <Mekkis> it's really useful
07:33 <Mekkis> I'd #adjust it to a
07:39 <Mekkis> and try applying it to things
07:58 <Mekkis> especially yourself, any enemy, or anywhere you think there's a secret door
08:11 <Mekkis> You hear a hollow sound.  This must be a secret door!
08:30 <Wrothmonk> are statues any of use?
08:34 <Mekkis> yes
08:39 <Mekkis> they may contain spellbooks
08:59 <Wrothmonk> I'll try the stethoscope on it!
10:30 <Wrothmonk> erm.. How do I do that then?
10:43 <Mekkis> [a]pply it
11:07 <Wrothmonk> thank you.
12:56 <Mekkis> my damage output is depressing
13:31 <Mekkis> I'm doing about 11 damage a turn
16:18 <Mekkis> The fire giant throws a boulder!  You are almost hit by a boulder.
16:25 <Mekkis> You reach out your arms and grab the fire giant.
16:25 <Mekkis> The fire giant is too heavy for you to lift.
16:25 <Mekkis> The fire giant thinks it was nice of you to try.
16:41 <Wrothmonk> friendly fire giant isn't it?
17:13 <Mekkis> now it is
17:19 <Mekkis> (pity: I wanted to eat it)
17:25 <Wrothmonk> so how do I tell if the statue contains a spell book? I've tried throwing it 
17:31 <Mekkis> wand of probing
17:34 <Mekkis> pickaxe
17:39 <Mekkis> wand of striking
17:41 <Wrothmonk> I have neither.
17:43 <Mekkis> force bolt spell
17:55 <Mekkis> Stone to Flesh spell, but be careful
18:05 <Wrothmonk> yeah I don't want to do that
18:18 <Wrothmonk> I have a goblin and a sewer rat statue
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22:45 <Mekkis> St:18/15 Dx:22 Co:20 In:20 Wi:19 Ch:14
22:56 <Wrothmonk> Eryne (gnome summoner who has Karajix as his eidolon) worships Apsu, who is one of the gods who created the universe, and the god of dragons.
23:07 <Wrothmonk> complete fluff
23:26 <Wrothmonk> I fell like killing the shop keeper and grabbing everything. Could I get away with that?
23:38 <Wrothmonk> But it really fits with my characters theme.
23:38 <Mekkis> if you're able to kill the shopkeeper, sure
23:46 <Mort-> Apsu ><
23:56 <Mort-> Did mek get into you?
23:57 <Mekkis> what does your 'scope say about him
24:11 <Wrothmonk> leme check
24:14 <Mort-> Or was i the one who suggested it
24:18 <Mekkis> (unless you're talking about Minetown's Lighting store. Don't kill Izchak.)
24:22 <Wrothmonk> Cant remember.
24:36 <Wrothmonk> It was either you or mekkis though.
24:43 <Wrothmonk> Its Voulgezac's weapon outlet
24:56 <Mort-> Could be me.
25:01 <Wrothmonk> Whats wrong with Apsu?
25:13 <Mort-> You probably asked for a dragon god and i gave it
25:17 <Wrothmonk> aww hell
25:38 <Mort-> None of my characters would worship him
25:41 <Wrothmonk> a mimic got me and the shop keeper inherited all my possessions.
25:44 <Mort-> At this point of time
25:45 <Mekkis> Status of Midyat (neutral):  Level 24  HP 128(128)  Pw 175(175)  AC -6, peaceful.
25:50 <Mekkis> something like that?
26:11 <Wrothmonk> Actually, it was mekkis who said "You have to worship apsu!" I looked him up and I went "Perfect."
26:40 <Wrothmonk> Goodbye wrothmonk the Monk :P
26:42 <Mekkis> A Elbereth Gilthoniel,
26:42 <Mekkis> silivren penna miriel
26:45 <Mort-> I know him of course being a gossipmur
26:59 <Mort-> But i don't worship winged lizards
27:01 <Mekkis> o menel aglar elenath!
27:03 <Mekkis> Na-chaered palan-diriel
27:21 <Mort-> Since murs are obviously the superior species : s
27:24 <Mort-> :p
27:28 <Wrothmonk> I can see you and Eryne aren't going to get along much. :P
27:41 <Wrothmonk> Gnome obsessed with dragons basically.
28:12 <Mort-> Obviously but first rule of pfs is not be a jerk
28:25 <Wrothmonk> The anti mort, except about the same size still.
28:36 <Mort-> So if i have any objections they don't apply in game
28:50 <Kzar> That's a good ruel
29:08 <Mort-> Also goes against the mort code - freedom of choice
29:21 <Mort-> That's a personal code
29:37 <Kzar> How do you handle attribute generation for PFS play?
29:43 <Mort-> Everyone should be free to make their own choices
29:55 <Wrothmonk> Point buy system, check page...
29:56 <Mort-> And live by them for good or for ill
29:58 <Mort-> Point buy
29:59 <Mort-> 20
30:12 <Wrothmonk> "You see an arrow trap here. And arrow shoots you! you are hit by an arrow"
30:18 <Wrothmonk> page 7 in the pas guide
30:26 <Wrothmonk> pfs*
30:35 * Wrothmonk bashes autocorrect over the head
30:36 <Mort-> Btw there is a cute site i wanted to show everyone
30:53 <Wrothmonk> Is it lemur related?
30:57 <Wrothmonk> or PFS
31:42 <Wrothmonk> theres a table on how many points each ability score amount costs
31:56 <Wrothmonk> its not straight 1-1 unfortunately. 
32:54 <Mort-> web.archive.org/web/20100213070917/http://www.io.com/~angilas/5gamers.html
33:13 <Mort-> Its funny
33:42 <Mort-> Of course i think we are all a mix of types
34:01 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
34:13 <Wrothmonk> Who was the guy that licked a door and poisoned himself again?
34:27 <Wrothmonk> Rabble?
34:51 <Wrothmonk> Pure loony would be him.
34:54 <Mort-> And mekkis would say I'm a munchkin
35:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, you should get this for Darkwhite: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HP-Designjet-750c-Plus-Printer-Plotter-Model-C47097A-36-36-Inch-GC-/130858314428?pt=AU_Business_Industrial_Printing_Equipment&hash=item1e77c36abc
35:25 <Wrothmonk> Mekkis would say Avatar would be the thespian I think.
35:30 <Mort-> Maybe. But i think I'm a brains
35:32 <Mort-> No
35:39 <Mort-> Avatar is a real man
36:15 <Mort-> I have some realman traits in me but generally i don't like melee
36:51 <Mort-> Avatar does not talk to everything in the dungeon
36:58 <Wrothmonk> Loonies declare a pie fight at 20 paces ... and cheat.
36:59 <Mort-> I have yet to see anyone who does that
37:01 <Wrothmonk> LOL
37:27 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, you quitter
37:28 <Wrothmonk> Eryne will be talking to every dragon they meat… Probably not much else
37:45 <Mort-> Sorry most dragons are hostile
37:47 <Wrothmonk> meet*
37:54 <Mort-> And they have like 5 attacks per round
37:59 <Wrothmonk> Thats what diplomacy is for!
38:01 <Wrothmonk> I forgot to capitalize the R
38:04 <Mort-> You'll learn. You'll learn
38:08 <Wrothmonk> I wanted ranger not rouge.
38:11 <Wrothmonk> rogue*
38:14 <Mort-> Ce dragon?
38:18 <Mort-> Those you meet
38:50 <Mort-> Shattering of illusions is painful
39:08 <Mort-> But better then getting full attacked by a dragon without even knowing why
40:40 <Mort-> I think i know only 2 thespians
40:48 <Mort-> And they aren't in this channel
42:31 <Wrothmonk> loonies hang out in milliways? Cool!
42:37 <Mort-> Hm i read David eddings
42:38 <Wrothmonk> if its the one I think it is.
42:45 <Mort-> I'm not a thespian btw
42:49 <Mort-> No where close
43:02 <Mort-> I don't write one page back stories
43:17 <Wrothmonk> I can tell you sir stiletto is between thespian and loonie.
43:19 <Mort-> And i believe in get them before they get you stuff
43:27 <Mort-> I dunno who that is
43:40 <Kzar> 20 points for abilities seems to be a lot
43:45 <Wrothmonk> Its not
43:50 <Mort-> See how they point buy
43:58 <Wrothmonk> you pay different amounts for each ability score
43:59 <Mort-> 16 in one score costs 10 points
44:04 <Kzar> I know
44:10 <Mort-> Btw I'm a sensitive
44:17 <Mort-> Wrothmonk
44:20 <Kzar> But still got fairly decent abilites, even one at 18 with the racial bonus
44:29 <Mort-> What you doing
44:34 <Kzar> an elf rogue
44:54 <Mort-> Wrothmonk. I'm a sensitive with my empathic gift generally out of control
45:10 <Mort-> So generally i block it off
45:10 <Wrothmonk> ok...
45:15 <Mort-> Or get overly sensitive
45:38 <Mort-> Elf rogue..make sure you have 12 con after racial mods
45:52 <Wrothmonk> no, 14
45:54 <Wrothmonk> at least.
45:56 <Mort-> I suggest 14 for melee work but that's probably too much to ask for
46:06 <Mort-> I run 12 con on melee characters
46:19 <Mort-> Elf you need to buy a 16 on point buy
46:32 <Mort-> After racial mod it dropr to 14
46:37 <Wrothmonk> Munchkins watch MTV as their favorite music… Does not compute...
46:41 <Mort-> 16 may be too expensive
46:51 <Wrothmonk> Ah good point.
47:05 <Mort-> So i mean you have to give some considerations to what he said
47:08 <Kzar> 16 is quite expensive, I'll go for 12, worst case I'll learn my lesson for the next time
47:15 <Wrothmonk> heh.
47:52 <Mekkis> Wow... stop holding down keys. It will get you killed
47:56 <Mort-> Would you be amendable to another race?
48:26 <Kzar> Which would you suggest?
48:33 <Mort-> Half orc
48:43 <Mort-> If you want try half elf for less brute
48:46 <Mort-> Almost an elf
48:51 <Kzar> I'm more of a elf or halfling type of player
48:56 <Mort-> Because mainly rogues sneak around right?
49:07 <Kzar> I guess
49:09 <Mort-> How do you sneak in a dungeon if you need to carry a light
49:12 <Kzar> or try to sweet talk their way through
49:18 <Wrothmonk> Loonies: Chased off a cliff by naked women in football helmets. Thats in a monty python movie!
49:23 <Kzar> but that might not work on orcs
49:27 <Mort-> Unless you switch the elf traits for dark vision
49:37 <Mort-> There is one elf trait for it
49:59 <Mort-> Its hard to sneak when you need to carry a light where you go
50:05 <Mort-> Story line wise
50:11 <Kzar> Yea
50:21 <Mort-> I wouldn't fault a gm for saying i couldnt sneak while carrying a torch
50:34 <Kzar> I would expect the gm to tell me it can't be done
51:00 <Mort-> Thus if you want to sneak dark vision ftw
51:11 <Mort-> Half orcs. Dwaves.
51:13 <Kzar> can you just change racial traits like that?
51:34 <Mort-> There is an alternate racial trait for elves
51:40 <Mort-> Drow born or something
51:56 <Wrothmonk> There are limits, its all in the ARG (advanced race guide)
53:05 <Kzar> might be a little annoying to get dazzled by bright light
53:30 <Mort-> Dusk elf
54:02 <Kzar> I thought dusk elf wasn't allowed?
54:11 <Mort-> Not?
54:15 <Mort-> I'm not sure
55:29 <Kzar> darkvision is not allowed according to the additional resources list
55:42 <Kzar> so there goes that :P
55:58 <Wrothmonk> can't be dark vision as a whole
56:37 <Wrothmonk> as an alternate racial trait, its not legal.
56:51 <Kzar> I mean as an alternative racial trait for elves
56:56 <Wrothmonk> ah.
58:01 <Mort-> The reduction in con will hurt
58:03 <Mort-> Though
58:17 <Mort-> Which means probably half orcs make the best rogues
58:29 <Wrothmonk> that seems kinda odd actually...
58:47 <Wrothmonk> Orcs being in my mind great warriors that bash things… not sneak.
59:00 <Wrothmonk> basically the hulk only smaller.
59:35 <Mort-> Ah have you seen a not so typical orc rogue?
59:42 <Mort-> 1 level multi class fighter
59:45 <Wrothmonk> Nope
59:52 <Mort-> X scout
59:57 <Mort-> Archtype
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