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34:10 <electrohead> o/
34:59 <rust_collector> hello, mr electrohead
35:38 <electrohead> hey mate, how's it going?
36:28 <rust_collector> well. uhm. hello?
36:46 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
36:48 <Ampera> how are you electrohead
38:34 <rust_collector> I wonder if I will wake up one of these days. that would be interesting
40:00 * Ampera falls asleep on top of rust_collector 
40:16 <rust_collector> whoops
44:56 <K> you will wake down, rusty.
45:39 <hsn> Mr T3sl4 and mr Ysjoelfir this might be interesting
45:43 <hsn> https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/26/nextdfm-software-detects-pcb-design-problems-before-manufacturing/
46:41 <hsn> So this happened rust https://photos.app.goo.gl/PRAAwzhvXExpD31F8
46:54 <rust_collector> oooh, will it run on windows 98se?
47:27 <K> 95osr2 or bust
47:54 <rust_collector> so, hsn how long is that for?
48:14 <hsn> the whole Weekend
48:24 <hsn> And one working day
48:34 <hsn> Which is tmrw
48:40 <rust_collector> so you are back to be tested on monday?
48:50 <rust_collector> eh?
49:00 <rust_collector> sunday then
49:03 <hsn> Friday saturday are weekend
49:07 <hsn> Yes
49:34 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Mvm7p5WFeoJHmro8
53:03 <K> i find it curious that user interface is in english
57:14 <hsn> There is arabic version k
57:38 <hsn> But im not used to arabic gui and its annoying from my childhood ..
57:48 <K> ah.
57:51 <hsn> Eventhough i used to not read english
58:26 <hsn> So i change everything to english mainly because of right to left
58:47 <hsn> And also technical words seem familier in english ans wierd in arabic
02:07 <rust_collector> when I do computer things, I always use english, because I have no idea what things are called in norwegian
06:52 <K> it is tricky here
07:12 <K> some words have been quite successfuly localised, some not so much
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59:08 <rust_collector> and, it is time for breakfast again
07:51 <K> oh no.
08:15 <rust_collector> yep, sad, but it has to be done
08:57 <K> have you tried not to?
09:14 <rust_collector> many many times
12:27 <K> it doesn't take, does it :/
12:35 <rust_collector> nope
12:49 <K> cruel
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51:56 <hsn> I want to learn
51:56 <hsn> software fir filtering ..
51:56 <hsn> Some math
51:57 <hsn> Control theory
51:57 <hsn> Compensation network in op amps
52:09 <TheDude> nice
52:11 * hsn licks T3sl4 mind
52:13 <TheDude> you definitely should
52:17 <TheDude> it's good stuff
52:57 <hsn> TheDude: error, cpu speed doesnt support the above learnings
53:05 <TheDude> nonsense
53:23 <hsn> U think
53:23 <TheDude> you might need to upgrade the core libraries, but it should work
53:34 <TheDude> by that I mean math knowledge
54:14 <hsn> Which math i should start with .. it used to amuse me .. now it doesnt anymore .. i find pure math boring ..
54:55 <TheDude> I find pure math boring as shit as well
55:11 <TheDude> it's a good thing engineers only need to understand applied maths :)
55:27 <hsn> The laplace transformation .. i still didnt find good explaination of what really it is ..
56:25 <TheDude> well, at one point I knew it perfectly (when I had to do the exam), now I just know how to use it :P
56:58 <Ampera> hi TheDude, how are you doing?
57:02 <TheDude> but yes, if you want to work on control theory, you definitely need to know how to use the laplace transform
57:09 <TheDude> Ampera, hey, decent
57:40 <hsn> I mean "yeah its how your system behaves in s-domain" but meh i wanted more good understanding
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58:46 <TheDude> tbh, I don't think there is a simple, easy to understand way to explain the laplace transform
59:02 <TheDude> it's way too abstract to explain using something tangible
59:10 <TheDude> but I stand to be corrected, of course
00:27 <TheDude> the good thing about linear systems it that they behave very predictably
00:56 <TheDude> which is why laplace was created to simplify things by taking out all of the silly exponentials and sinusoids
01:17 <TheDude> and just make things simple and algebraic
01:32 <hsn> Yeah
01:58 <hsn> I found 2 good youtube channels for control theory
02:10 <TheDude> I know I've done all of the mathematical derivation for the laplace transform in the past
02:26 <TheDude> and went "ah, it makes perfect sense to do it like this"
02:30 <hsn> https://youtu.be/oBc_BHxw78s
02:30 <hsn> This guy
02:51 <TheDude> but there was no tangible was of understanding the abstraction, but rather "the math checks out, things make sense on paper"
03:03 <TheDude> uh
03:19 <TheDude> hold on, you're the guy on the forum that was asking about this yesteday?
03:37 <hsn> About what
04:08 <TheDude> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/learning-analogue-control-theory/
04:18 <hsn> I did post something yesterday but it turm out stupid pranthesis error
04:20 <hsn> No
04:28 <TheDude> okay :D
04:41 <hsn> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/bode-plot-of-ldo-(ti-octave)/
04:46 <TheDude> because I'm the first person that replied to the thread with the videos of that guy :D
05:15 <hsn> I will sace that thread though
05:23 <hsn> Save
06:19 <hsn> This is secon channel https://youtube.com/user/katkimshow
06:22 <TheDude> I like the way you matlab things, nice clean code
06:51 <TheDude> ah, I recall watching this lady's videos at some point
07:39 <TheDude> ah, neat, she has a bunch of power electronics videos
07:40 <hsn> Yes she has good videos ..
08:21 <hsn> Thanks .. i use octave .. its ugly compared to matlab but it does most jobs
09:00 <hsn> Matlab should give me license for educational purposes only
09:17 <K> all mathlab "code" iv'e seen so far is attrocious
09:19 <hsn> :p
09:35 <K> it works, but, man, is it fucking ugly
09:41 <TheDude> K, good, because we're talking about matlab here
09:49 <K> methlab
09:53 <K> more like
09:56 <TheDude> mat as in matrix, not mathematics
10:04 <K> i apologise
10:16 <hsn> TheDude:
10:18 <TheDude> :D
10:19 <hsn> U r nerd
10:26 <hsn> He sais meth not math
10:27 <hsn> Lol
10:30 <TheDude> yes
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12:01 <hsn> K yeah its ugly as hell
12:24 <hsn> U got errors here and there .. trying to fix them is annoying
20:07 <TheDude> ohgod
20:41 <TheDude> there was this guy that I went to high school with
20:56 <TheDude> that died in a car accident in 2013, I think
21:15 <hsn> He is back?
21:38 <hsn> Came to u in dream?
21:41 <TheDude> his facebook profile remained in existence, because apparently his family didn't decide to get is shut down
21:50 <TheDude> I happened to stumble upon his profile again
22:05 <TheDude> there was this guy, presumably a family friend of his
22:37 <TheDude> that started off writing "1 month... <sadface>" a month after the tragic accident
22:53 <TheDude> that guy is still going, writing every month
23:01 <TheDude> he's now at 94 months O.o
23:37 <TheDude> jfc, at what point do you decide "maybe this was enough grief, it's probably time to let go and move on"
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33:25 <Nothing\> hey ho
33:40 <Nothing\> any of you guys know much about minerology?
34:24 <Nothing\> i was looking at this big piece of quartz my mum has, and it's got this little yellow blob of a mineral just on top of it that fluoresces green under UV
34:49 <Nothing\> i also noticed a lot of gold specks on the underside of it, and iirc gold common occurs near quartz
34:59 <Nothing\> not a lot, but enough to be interesting
35:42 <Nothing\> and it also has these tiny, elongated black crystals all throughout it, very thin and long
36:11 <Nothing\> i can't for the life of me find any info on what any of it could be
36:22 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
36:33 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
36:37 <Nothing\> hey man, how ya doing?
36:49 <Ampera> aeiou
36:57 <Nothing\> right on
37:05 <Kuschelpony> h,, good green fluorescense makes me nervous about uranium compounds, so dont make dust from it
38:14 <Kuschelpony> ah and that TS4436 is an interesting chip
39:27 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that's what i was thinknig too
39:36 <Nothing\> and uranium is found not far from here
39:44 <Nothing\> not far being several hundred km
39:54 <Nothing\> up near ottawa, there is/was a uranium mine
40:16 <Nothing\> i remember when i went to my buddy's cabin up near the quebec border there were all sorts of signs protesting the mine
43:21 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\?
44:07 <Nothing\> i'm alright
44:14 <Nothing\> brought up the stuff with my shrink yesterday
44:20 <Ampera> you mentioned
44:21 <Nothing\> he thinks at the very least, i need a new therapist
44:32 <Nothing\> so i'm gonna mention it to me PO and try to get it in writing from him
44:50 <Ampera> Best of luck
44:56 <Nothing\> thanks
45:02 <Ampera> I'm just wrapping up some last few things at work
45:11 <Nothing\> right on
45:24 <Ampera> my biltong will also be ready tomorrow morning
45:30 <Nothing\> well, i'll leave you to that. I've got some breakfast eggs to eat :D
45:34 <Ampera> enjoy
45:40 <Nothing\> i always do!
53:42 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
04:25 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
04:28 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir?
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08:10 <Nothing\> you guys see this new thing they're doing with phones now?
08:38 <Ampera> there's a lot of new things they're doing with phones now
08:58 <Nothing\> apparently instead of having a small notch taken out of the top middle to house the camera(s), they just put the camera in the upper left corner and put the screen around it
09:08 <Ampera> that's not new
09:12 <Ampera> new is under-display cameras
09:17 <Nothing\> which i dunno about you, but i use the upper left part of my screen more than i use the top middle
09:26 <Nothing\> now that's a good idea
09:28 <Ampera> where the camera is literally underneath the display
09:31 <Nothing\> yeah, these just looked stupid
09:39 <Ampera> however, pinhole cameras aren't always in the top left
09:42 <Ampera> they can be in the top right, or the center
09:48 <Nothing\> forget what they were called though
09:56 <Ampera> my phone has a pinhole camera in the dead middle, though I'd prefer it be in the top left/right or not exist at all
09:57 <Nothing\> no no these weren't pinhole
10:02 <Nothing\> they were over half an inch wide
10:16 <Ampera> then you must be thinking of something else
10:25 <Nothing\> lemme see if i can find the article
10:29 <Ampera> there are no pinhole cameras that large
11:25 <Nothing\> i think this is gonna require that i go through my history for the last few days and see if i can find it
11:36 <Nothing\> all that comes to mind is bezelless but that's not quite what i'm thinking
12:08 <Ampera> There's also pop-up and flip-over cameras in some older/cheaper phones
15:22 <Nothing\> PUNCH HOLE DISPLAY!
15:24 <Nothing\> that's it
15:32 <Ampera> same concept as pinhole
15:37 <Ampera> and they are /not/ half an inch
15:43 <Ampera> a few mm at most
16:13 <Nothing\> https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large_wm_brw/public/article_images/2018/12/honor-view20-3.jpg?itok=cBkOrlUU
16:16 <Nothing\> those things
16:24 <Nothing\> yeah it basically is pinhole, just bigger
16:34 <Ampera> that's not half an inch
16:40 <Nothing\> close enough
16:47 <Ampera> no that's like 1/8th of an inch
16:54 <Nothing\> from memory it seemed about 1cm which is just shy of half an inch
17:14 <Nothing\> really it's hard to tell with nothing for size reference but the phone itself
17:24 * Ampera knows how large phones tend to be
17:33 <Nothing\> but yeah it does seem much smaller
17:47 <Ampera> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note20_ultra_5g-pictures-10261.php
17:49 <Nothing\> in any case, regardless of the size it renders the area around it useless
17:52 <Ampera> however the one on my phone is even smakker
17:53 <Ampera> *smaller
18:07 <Nothing\> which i think the top left corner of a screen would be used more than the top center
18:25 <Ampera> I disagree, though mine is so small it's almost unnoticeable
18:42 <Nothing\> guess it depends on the os you run and how you like your desktop
18:54 <Ampera> what
18:59 <Nothing\> until recently i had my task bar on the left side, so the top left was where my start button was
19:02 <Ampera> phones with pinhole cameras only run Android
19:06 <Ampera> wtf
19:10 <Ampera> these are phones not laptops
19:19 <Nothing\> i know i'm just using it as example
19:28 <Ampera> it's a bad example though
19:34 <Nothing\> probably
19:56 <Nothing\> hey, is there any good reason you can think for a can-style transistor to have epoxy on the die?
20:06 <Ampera> can-style?
20:21 <Ampera> I can think of a couple form factors that'd match that
21:25 <Nothing\> yeah, like in a to-204 or something
21:33 <Nothing\> in my case anyways
21:44 <Ampera> alright that's one of the ones I had in my mind
21:51 <Ampera> My guess would be for mounting
22:23 <Nothing\> yeah, i cracked open a 2n3055 and the die, along with being half the size it should be, had a glob of white epoxy on it
22:41 <Nothing\> luckily i could remove the epoxy easily enough with rubbing alcohol but still
22:55 <Nothing\> every other picture of them i've seen the die was bigger and had no epoxy
23:41 <Ampera> I've seen transistors that have had metal casings that look sorta like a crystal oscillator can
23:51 <Nothing\> plus i'm 90% certain the bond wires were just held on by said epoxy and not actually ultrasonically welded
23:53 <Ampera> so that was my other thought as to what a can style transistor might have been
24:12 <Nothing\> yeah there are many types of can style transistors
24:29 <Nothing\> i've got these unipolar transistors in these tiny cans, i forget the name of them
24:36 <Nothing\> should look em up
27:41 <Nothing\> should get a datasheet too, for my own records but not having a lot of luck here
27:48 <Nothing\> i think i'm reading the number wrong off of them
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38:09 <Nothing\> ah cool, my spectroscope came
38:15 <Nothing\> sorry, i was playing with that lol
38:38 <Nothing\> better quality than the aliexpress one, at least this one didn't arrive in pieces with the prism smashed to bits
39:08 <Nothing\> actually i think this one uses a diffraction grating which ooh man i should totally get one of those too
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42:26 <Nothing\> lol sorry, Ampera ADD brain
42:41 <Nothing\> lemme try to find that package i was talking about that my unipolars came in
42:45 <Ampera> don't worry, my half asleep brain can't pay attention either
43:02 <Nothing\> i just got distracted by my spectroscope
43:07 <Nothing\> been waiting for this thing for a while
43:12 <Nothing\> still can't get it to work, though
43:44 <Nothing\> but it's even got a little scale on it so you can see what wavelengths are there
46:25 <Nothing\> oh sweet
47:19 <Nothing\> my health card (insurance) has been expired since march of last year and i've been fretting over getting it renewed since all of the offices are closed and i don't wanna do some online bullshit that takes half an hour cuz their web designers don't know how to make something intuitive
48:03 <Nothing\> but as it turns out, all health cards that expired after march 1st are still valid indefinitely until further notice
48:05 <Nothing\> :D
48:14 <Nothing\> covid luck strikes again!
56:04 <arch> made $500 off Nokia stock today
56:08 <arch> well, so far
05:34 <T3sl4> not gamestop?
06:09 <Nothing\> lol
06:23 <Nothing\> right on! i found my old pocket microscope
06:32 <Nothing\> too bad i just ordered another one
06:46 <Nothing\> but at least the new one can do up to 120x and this one only does 100x
08:39 <Nothing\> that works great, now i can take some microscope pics of the die of the 3055 tranny i cracked open and removed all the epoxy from
08:49 <Nothing\> if i can remember where i put it
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34:49 <Nothing\> 22A
34:58 <Nothing\> that's the other can type package i was thinking of
35:11 <Nothing\> the one that my unijunction transistors came in
35:40 <Nothing\> still not sure what to do with these
35:53 <Nothing\> make a relaxation oscillator? *shrugs*
45:51 <TheDude> T3sl4, did you read about that? :D
46:05 <TheDude> wall street bears got their honey ripped out of their hands :3
46:13 <T3sl4> how can i not, it's not even confined to reddit anymore
46:23 <TheDude> it's fucking awesome
46:31 <TheDude> hold on, I found the best tweet about it
46:52 <TheDude> https://twitter.com/wallstreetbets/status/1354208753592238084
46:54 <TheDude> :D
48:02 <T3sl4> haha
51:20 * steve30 pounces on to T3sl4 
51:41 * T3sl4 puts a catvid mask on steve30
54:40 <TheDude> but think about it
55:01 <TheDude> institutional investors literally lost billions on their GME shorts
55:41 <TheDude> the so called "professional" traders aren't actually doing risk management, like at all
56:18 <TheDude> it's not fucking hard to pump massive bags into the sky when you're hand in hand with the fed
57:41 <TheDude> and then a bunch of retail chads come into their sandbox and shit on their castle, throw sand in their eyes and break their plastic shovels and rakes
57:45 <TheDude> how fucking cool is that? :D
01:19 <T3sl4> too bad it's not sustainable, they whine but eventually they'll change their strategy
01:51 <TheDude> well yeah
02:10 <TheDude> but it's nice that they occasionally get a FUCK YOU in their faces instead of just dishing them out to others
03:06 <T3sl4> yep
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32:32 <electrohead> o/
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00:30 <Nothing\> cool, i just got a kit with some sterile petri dishes, cotton swabs and agar for growing bacteria
01:42 <Nothing\> i was thinking, my mom just get a superfluous script for antibiotics (amoxicillin) which come conveniently enough as a powder inside a gel cap, so i was thinking I could sprinkle some of that on one dish, and have another as a control and see if/how much it affects the growth
02:59 <Nothing\> actually, i've still got some metronidazole, too. But they're solid tablets, though I could probably crush em up with my mortar and pestle
03:25 <Nothing\> i'd probably only need like half a tablet anyways
11:29 * electrohead contaminates all of it
14:56 * T3sl4 coughs on electrohead
16:25 * electrohead dies
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36:18 <cornbread> Hi, there
38:41 <TheDude> hey
40:23 <cornbread> Im new to the blog, Ive watched a few of daves videos in the past and enjoyed them but havent lurked in the forms at all until now
40:31 <cornbread> thought id say hi anyhow
40:39 <TheDude> neat
40:40 <TheDude> hello :)
41:10 <TheDude> you're not likely ever going to see the blog host Dave in here
41:19 <cornbread> I figure hes busy
41:35 <TheDude> but there's a bunch of other people hanging around often, so consider sticking around
41:44 <TheDude> mostly nerds
41:55 <cornbread> the way I like it
41:59 <TheDude> although our conversations are not limited to nerd shit :D
42:27 <TheDude> in fact, most of the conversations are anything but technical stuff
42:32 <cornbread> ive only used IRC once or twice in the past? do I view channels with backslash commands?
42:36 <cornbread> really im surprised
43:10 <TheDude> IRC uses forward slash, as far as I am aware
43:23 <TheDude> but yeah, depends entirely on the client
46:14 * T3sl4 licks cornbread
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46:53 <TheDude> got disconnected?
46:59 <T3sl4> hmm, i don't have any cornmeal. i should get some, and bake your eponymous item
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49:10 <TheDude> see, T3sl4, you blew it
49:32 <T3sl4> bite me
49:36 <TheDude> I tried being so nice to lure him into the black hole that is #eevblog
49:44 <TheDude> and you blew it
49:59 <T3sl4> or even better, bite my imaginary cornbread :>
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50:38 <cornbrea1> okay
50:50 <T3sl4> heh
51:04 <cornbrea1> Just setup weechat
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52:14 <cornbrea1> im back
52:19 <cornbrea1> typed my user wrong
52:31 <cornbrea1> and accidently doxed my home machine user
52:33 <cornbrea1> but oh well
52:41 <TheDude> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
52:46 <cornbrea1> now its not using so much ram
53:10 <cornbrea1> ill brb gonna fix my user
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53:46 <TheDude> uh
53:50 * T3sl4 wees on the chat
54:06 <TheDude> speaking of which, I just realized my IP is here for everyone to see
54:32 <T3sl4> IP freely
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55:14 <c0rnbr34d> ive returned
55:56 <c0rnbr34d> still need to fic the paren specifying my host
56:04 <c0rnbr34d> that can wait
56:13 <T3sl4> should be able to just /nick new_name
56:24 <c0rnbr34d> thats easy let me try that
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56:58 <T3sl4> :|
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57:32 <asibley> didnt work
57:39 <asibley> 1 sec again
57:44 <TheDude> lol
59:01 <asibley> et irc.server.freenode.nicks
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04:01 <c0rnbr34d> that is looking better to me
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05:03 <c0rnbr34d> anyone here do RF design?
05:49 <TheDude> not that I'm currently aware
05:53 <c0rnbr34d> its somthing id really like to get into but Ive hit a wall at maxwells equations and am having to teach myself calc as a result
05:57 <c0rnbr34d> thats a shame
06:12 <c0rnbr34d> im wondering just *how* math hevy it truely is
06:18 <TheDude> there were some blokes that were into RF on the other eevblog channel, but I haven't seen them around in a while
06:36 <c0rnbr34d> which channel was that?
06:47 <TheDude> #eevblog on afternet
06:52 <c0rnbr34d> ah
07:06 <c0rnbr34d> ill stick around here for a bit as I figure out weechat
07:06 <TheDude> this austnet bullshit was forced by the blog host Dave
07:16 <TheDude> and now the community is practically split in two
07:27 <TheDude> well, many people are on both channels, but yeah
07:45 <c0rnbr34d> why did he do that?
10:16 <TheDude> because he felt like he needed to support the australian servers
10:44 <TheDude> even though he never actually visits the irc channel
11:02 <TheDude> and the fact that austnet kinda sucks
11:23 <TheDude> but the website now directs the people to this channel, so there you have it
14:07 <T3sl4> well, you don't have to do nuts and bolts wave equations all the time, but it's the foundation for transmission lines and such, so pays to understand
14:29 <T3sl4> also, RF stuff is more about impedances, matching, and networks
14:42 <T3sl4> the transmission lines and waves get into it when you need to design the networks, or antennas
15:48 <c0rnbr34d> power factor dosent seem too dificult
16:16 <c0rnbr34d> its mostly when I start seeing curvy traces, antannas, and wave guides that get spooked
22:34 <T3sl4> curvy traces aren't that bad, you just have to keep track of 1/4 wavelengths, and be familiar with typical networks (stubs, 1/4 wave transformers, filters; impedance matching between different trace widths; etc.)
23:06 <T3sl4> antennas are... kinda the same thing, but in free space, and you need to mind more dimensions, since, well, it's space, not traces on a ground plane
23:33 <T3sl4> most are just resonant, and most multiband ones are just multiply resonant (e.g. your typical "F" antenna used in cellphones)
24:08 <T3sl4> and the wideband ones are easily understood in terms of their symmetry (scale invariance)
24:41 <T3sl4> maybe that's not so easy after all, there's topology and symmetry underlying those things :P
25:53 <T3sl4> and waveguides are just curled up transmission lines... sorta :P
26:43 <T3sl4> (they're usually used in such a way that they can be treated as one-dimensional, but there are higher modes that couple in different ways and at different frequencies, and velocities)
28:24 <c0rnbr34d> intresting
28:34 <c0rnbr34d> that dosent sound toooo unintuitive
30:38 * electrohead eats c0rnbr34d
31:39 <electrohead> the RF world isn't too bad
32:17 <electrohead> just tell yourself not to get overwhelmed, and.. you won't get overwhelmed
39:20 <coppice_> can I tell myself to never make a mistake, and never make a mistake?
40:57 <electrohead> coppice_: that depends :P
41:40 <electrohead> that's what I tell myself, anyways; whenever I get stumped, I just take (it) one step at a time
57:23 <c0rnbr34d> I only ask becuase I have no formal education
57:42 <Halcyon> Morning
57:45 <Halcyon> *rubs eyes*
57:49 <c0rnbr34d> didnt want to go to college for moral reasons, got out of HS a couple years ago
58:19 <c0rnbr34d> ohms, kirchovs, and alike were easy just picked up a textbook from the library
58:25 <c0rnbr34d> art of electronics has been great
58:35 <c0rnbr34d> there just seems to be less resources online on RF stuff
58:44 <c0rnbr34d> perhaps im looking in the wrong places
58:47 <TheDude> kirchoff is pronounced as kirk-off
58:59 <c0rnbr34d> really
59:02 <c0rnbr34d> intresting
59:03 <TheDude> kerr-choff is absolute rubbish
59:08 <c0rnbr34d> ive never heard it prounounced
59:18 <TheDude> the guy is rolling in his grave when people mispronounce is like that
59:33 <c0rnbr34d> *spinning in the grave*
59:43 <c0rnbr34d> its sorta like saying ohmage right?
00:04 <TheDude> that sounds very wrong, yes
00:10 <TheDude> resistance, please
01:45 * Halcyon prods electrohead proddingly
03:42 <c0rnbr34d> heh
04:09 <c0rnbr34d> so dose kicad suck or am I just using it wrong?
04:58 <TheDude> it's supposedly not absolutely terrible now, from what I'm told
05:10 <c0rnbr34d> im sure its fine for basic layouts
05:15 <TheDude> I haven't actually tried using it :D
05:25 <c0rnbr34d> but im pretty OCD about symetry and predefined courtyards
05:29 <TheDude> nah, it's fine even for more complex layouts
05:35 <c0rnbr34d> really?
05:46 <TheDude> yeah, I've seen 6 layer boards done with it
05:55 <TheDude> my go-to is Altium, though
06:11 <c0rnbr34d> I got pissed at it becuase I couldnt specifiy irregular polyhedra as my solderpads
06:17 <c0rnbr34d> im impressed
06:26 <c0rnbr34d> do you have altium from work?
07:13 <TheDude> nah, I have licenses from back when I was still in college
07:21 <c0rnbr34d> nice
07:30 <TheDude> yeah, can't complain :
07:34 <TheDude> :D*
07:43 <c0rnbr34d> never used anything but kicad it just seems limted at times
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07:57 <TheDude> I work as an embedded developer rn
07:58 <c0rnbr34d> that said im not the best desighned
08:17 <TheDude> I have altium with a shared license on the work computer
08:32 <c0rnbr34d> can you drill into the g10?
08:34 <TheDude> but it's been a while since I've last used it seriously at work
08:45 <c0rnbr34d> like specify cut outs that dont go all the way through?
08:48 <TheDude> what is a g10?
09:15 <c0rnbr34d> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-10_(material)
09:39 <TheDude> ah okay
09:57 * electrohead prods Halcyon
10:00 <Halcyon> :D
10:01 <TheDude> you can specify PCB milling to non-full depth
10:07 <TheDude> but it's expensive as sin to manufacture
10:09 <Halcyon> electrohead: I have a cooking channel for you... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxPepmStxw
10:15 <Halcyon> This guy is such a typical aussie
10:19 <TheDude> because they can't stack the boards when doing it, but rather do it one by one
10:27 <c0rnbr34d> its pretty strong stuff (bc it has to surive reflow and such) so I was thinking of making a jig out of it
10:32 <TheDude> so unless you REALLY need it, avoid that shit
10:53 <c0rnbr34d> that way my work wouldnt have to get a machine shop, we could just send the gerbers to our boardhouse
10:58 <TheDude> "FR-4 has replaced G-10 in most consumer electronics. It uses a flame-retardant brominated epoxy."
11:27 <TheDude> ask the PCB fab if they're capable of doing that
11:36 <c0rnbr34d> but kicad wont let me drill part through so I would have to do a two boards and then stack them together with some vias and pins
11:42 <TheDude> if they don't offer fancy services, they will likely decline that
11:44 <c0rnbr34d> our boards are probably fr4
12:04 <c0rnbr34d> its more common everyone at works just says g10 becuase its like a grandfathered term or somthing
12:10 <TheDude> fr-4 is the industry standard core material, yeah
12:12 <electrohead> Halcyon: oh, I've seen this dude already quite some time ago
12:18 <Halcyon> Fuck he's funny
12:22 <electrohead> he's .. different, lmfao
12:29 <electrohead> love it though :p
12:46 <c0rnbr34d> dose anyone have experiance with PXI?
12:48 <Halcyon> I thought he was a joke at first, until I realised he can actually cook and released a cook book
12:58 <electrohead> he released a cook book?
13:00 <electrohead> that's amazing
13:02 <Halcyon> Yup
13:19 <TheDude> alright, I should probably get to bed now
13:27 <TheDude> I have to wake up in like 5 hours
13:27 <Halcyon> https://www.amazon.com/Un-cook-Yourself/dp/1761040901/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Nat%27s+what+I+reckon&qid=1611792800&sr=8-1
13:35 <Halcyon> I bought a copy this week
13:39 <Halcyon> Night TheDude
13:44 <TheDude> cheerio \o
14:06 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
14:17 <Halcyon> It's bloody expensive there though, I got it for AUD$20
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14:21 <electrohead> c0rnbr34d: I don't, sorry
14:27 <T3sl4> coppice_: you'd have already made a mistake if you did
14:28 <c0rnbr341> ah yes the
14:48 <c0rnbr34d> im trying out the um
15:05 <rust_collector> but can you buy "THE WORLD SHARPEST KNIFE (tm)"
15:05 <c0rnbr34d> irssi
15:09 <c0rnbr34d> sorry for the spam
15:21 <rust_collector> woohoo! irssi
15:22 <electrohead> Halcyon: I've purchased binging with babish's book
15:27 <Halcyon> Oh nice
15:30 <Halcyon> He does some good stuff too
15:37 <electrohead> irssi is nice, but I'm a weechat user :p
15:49 <c0rnbr341> why do you perfer weechat?
15:50 <Halcyon> Pisschat?
15:51 <Halcyon> :P
15:56 <electrohead> shh
15:59 <electrohead> lol
16:08 <Halcyon> I just use Hexchat
16:08 <electrohead> c0rnbr341: honestly, I've grown to like it more
16:08 <c0rnbr341> I dont know much aabout either but they seem like the most popular options
16:09 <Halcyon> *shrug*
16:10 <rust_collector> because it is very hipster, and has all the bloat
16:27 <electrohead> rust_collector: you'll call anything hipster
16:44 <c0rnbr341> irssi dose seem more minimal, is it extensible to have side bar and highlighting and stuff?
16:46 <rust_collector> that is just because you just hear what I say HERE
16:48 <electrohead> I like the layout and customization options, along with the plugin support
17:02 <rust_collector> you can add a lot of stuff to irssi, if you want
17:18 <c0rnbr341> ima try them both out
17:21 <electrohead> yeah I know :p
17:39 <rust_collector> have you tried F-irc?
17:40 <c0rnbr341> weechat looks pretty gamer with my ligatures ngl
17:43 <c0rnbr341> no
17:51 <c0rnbr341> whats good about it?
17:54 <rust_collector> it is not super awesome, but it has a nice website
17:57 <Halcyon> c0rnbr341: Your first time to the chat?
18:03 <c0rnbr341> yes
18:06 <Halcyon> Welcome
18:09 <c0rnbr341> thanks
18:16 <Halcyon> Where are you from?
18:24 <rust_collector> Halcyon is the guy who will ban you
18:33 <Halcyon> Oh please, when do I ban anyone?
18:37 <c0rnbr341> ive used irc in middle school but that was back when I ran windows so it wasnt cli
18:41 <c0rnbr341> im from the bay area
18:45 <Halcyon> Oh neat
18:49 <c0rnbr341> moving two wyoming in the coming weeks
18:51 <electrohead> pennsylvania, here
18:56 <c0rnbr341> nice nice
19:02 <Halcyon> I'm in Sydney
19:11 <Halcyon> I have the day off from work because I have a sore throat :(
19:16 <c0rnbr341> its a hard choice becuase im giving up any career chances as an EE but I thik its worth it
19:23 <electrohead> he has covid!
19:24 <c0rnbr341> I just quit my job last week to move
19:34 <Halcyon> electrohead: Nah, test came back negative, it's just a cold
19:42 <c0rnbr341> so Ive been shell scrippting all day, thats good
19:49 <electrohead> that's a good thing :p
20:00 <rust_collector> electrohead, it is just that they stick q-tips or something down his throat every day
20:04 <Halcyon> Sounds like a pretty drastic move, what made you decide to move to Wyoming?
20:20 * electrohead throws python at c0rnbr341
20:21 <Halcyon> rust_collector, we don't do the q-tip/nose thing at work
20:30 <Halcyon> We have saliva tests
20:31 <electrohead> welcome to the channel, by the way
20:50 <Halcyon> They are supposed to be better at detecting asymptomatic cases
20:55 <c0rnbr341> how do I @ people in IRC do I just type the user with a collen or is there a more effecient method
20:56 <rust_collector> good, because I think I said throat. and if they do that thru the nose, I think I will stay at home
20:57 <Halcyon> Plus they are much easier
21:20 <electrohead> How do you do what?
21:30 <rust_collector> c0rnbr341,
21:34 <Halcyon> You can tab-complete usernames c0rnbr341
21:40 <c0rnbr341> Halcyon: im kinda conspiracyey about the city... the bot net scares me I want no wifi no phone nothing else
21:42 <rust_collector> start the name, and tab
21:44 <c0rnbr341> ah thank you
21:49 <Halcyon> Otherwise there is a query function to send PM's
21:57 <c0rnbr341> gotchya
22:13 <Halcyon> Bot net?
22:58 <c0rnbr341> ideally Id have everything on an open FPGA running riscV or alike with a fully open micro kernal and only free software
23:03 <c0rnbr341> of course thats the ideal
23:24 <c0rnbr341> in reality it will look more like me and my librebooted thinkpad in a cabbin in the woods
24:00 <electrohead> what happened?
24:38 <c0rnbr341> nothing really, im just stallmany about my computers
24:56 <c0rnbr341> I want everything to be free and open, dont like the idea of google and the feds listening in
25:06 <electrohead> Heh.
25:24 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
25:28 * Ampera hugs electrohead
25:38 <Ampera> how are my two least favorite friends doing?
25:47 * electrohead non-violently slaps Ampera
25:53 <Ampera> :/
26:05 <electrohead> Hey now, I said non-violently!
26:06 <electrohead> :P
26:09 * electrohead hugs Ampera
26:10 <Ampera> but I wanted you to hurt me, daddy
26:15 <electrohead> ....
26:21 <Ampera> uwu
26:28 <electrohead> Fucking goof, lol
26:42 <electrohead> c0rnbr341: Yeah, open source software is very nice
26:57 <rust_collector> I am ok, Ampera
27:08 <c0rnbr341> that said Ive done nothing to secure this IRC but what can you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
27:16 <Ampera> rust_collector, I said my least favorite friends, fuck off
27:33 <Ampera> I like you far too much to care
27:36 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
27:38 * Halcyon licks
27:38 <c0rnbr341> off topic but I gotta ask
27:40 <rust_collector> sorry
27:48 <rust_collector> topic?
27:57 <Ampera> Hey Halcyon, was afraid you might have done a police hit and run
28:01 <Ampera> haha topic
28:01 <Halcyon> There are no topics here c0rnbr341
28:11 <Ampera> only topical
28:18 * Ampera feels Halcyon's skin
28:25 <Halcyon> Hehehe :P
28:26 <c0rnbr341> anyone used PXI? I understand you can only use PXI in LXI if all the PXI modules are of the same OEM, is there a way around this?
28:36 <Halcyon> I've used PXE ? :P
29:08 <electrohead> PCI extensions for instrumentation
29:21 <electrohead> :p
29:30 <Ampera> PXE is neat
29:42 <electrohead> c0rnbr341: I haven't, sorry
29:48 <c0rnbr341> thats fine
29:53 <rust_collector> can we just say no?
29:56 <Ampera> except some fucking weirdos call it "pixie"
30:05 <c0rnbr341> id like to make my own setup but id like to use it with lxi
30:10 <Ampera> which is almost as dumb as calling SCSI "sexy"
30:16 <c0rnbr341> dont know anything about pxe
30:29 <Halcyon> I call it "Pixie" but I hate that I do
30:38 <Halcyon> It's as retarded as calling SQL "Sequel"
30:39 <Ampera> I hate you too, Halcyon
30:52 <c0rnbr341> you dont call it sexy?
31:06 <Ampera> not really, because SEQUEL was its original name iirc
31:06 <c0rnbr341> you dont call it sequal?
31:10 <electrohead> I'll call Halcyon sexy all day, every day
31:19 <c0rnbr341> ^
31:19 <c0rnbr341> nice
31:25 <electrohead> Lol
31:28 <Halcyon> SEQUEL was a different (but similar) language back in the 50's I think?
31:32 <Halcyon> SQL came after
31:48 <Halcyon> Aww thanks electrohead :)
31:48 <electrohead> c0rnbr341: we're all goofballs in here, just a heads up
31:49 <Ampera> still
31:57 <Ampera> there's more to it than pixie
32:10 * electrohead breaks out the pixie dust
32:12 <Ampera> you only call it pixie because you're gay
32:19 <Halcyon> Homophobe
32:29 <Ampera> fuck gay people are scary
32:38 <c0rnbr34d> kek
32:39 <Ampera> what with being actually happy with life and shit
32:50 <c0rnbr34d> I want all my belonings in SQL dont @ me
33:36 <Halcyon> I still need to try Ysjoelfir's chicken boob recipe. I might make it tonight
33:47 <c0rnbr34d> >making food
33:50 <c0rnbr34d> im impressed
33:54 <electrohead> chicken boob recipe?
33:57 <c0rnbr34d> your more evolved than me ngl
34:11 <c0rnbr34d> I can make salad out of a bag...
34:44 <Ampera> SELECT * FROM Halcyon INTO StupidBirdCorner
34:47 <Ampera> DROP TABLE Halcyon
34:48 <Halcyon> electrohead, yeh like a curry type thing
35:07 <Halcyon> c0rnbr34d, several of us here cook quite a bit
35:16 <c0rnbr34d> I just
35:17 <Ampera> and a few of us are actually any good at it
35:25 <Halcyon> :P
35:26 <c0rnbr34d> I need like more specific cooking instructions
35:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, did I mention I was making biltong?
35:32 <Halcyon> Yeh you did
35:39 <Ampera> did I show you pictures?
35:43 <Halcyon> Not yet
35:47 <c0rnbr34d> If it was very narrowly deffined I could probably do it
35:56 <Halcyon> Do you have one of those vacuum food preserver things?
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36:01 <c0rnbr34d> I need someone to write recipes in x86 for me
36:05 Part: Guest|86351 ([email protected]) from #EEVblog
36:11 <c0rnbr34d> kek
36:13 <c0rnbr34d> comes in
36:17 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/802915275166056498/20210124_095755.jpg
36:18 <c0rnbr34d> reads messages
36:21 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/803254174321737728/20210125_082459.jpg
36:22 <c0rnbr34d> imediatly leaves
36:27 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/803289420320866364/20210125_104506.jpg
36:31 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/803691320278253648/20210126_132159.jpg
36:39 <Ampera> will be done tomorrow morning
36:47 <Halcyon> c0rnbr34d: They wouldn't have seen any messages. IRC doesn't cache messages for new users that join.
36:49 <Ampera> (a bit under 10 hours)
37:02 <c0rnbr34d> o
37:03 <Halcyon> They only see what happens after they join. Which is why we call Ampera an asshole when his internet drops out :P
37:13 <Ampera> my internet never drops out
37:18 <c0rnbr34d> shiet
37:19 <Ampera> it's probably more stable than yours, Halcyon
37:29 <Halcyon> They look delicious Ampera, what's the spice rub?
37:34 <c0rnbr34d> thats harsh
37:39 <Halcyon> Actually my internet is stable, but I just wish it were faster.
37:42 <Ampera> standard biltong recipe
37:42 <c0rnbr34d> I cant open these
37:47 <Ampera> salt, pepper, ground coriander, malt vinegar
37:50 <c0rnbr34d> not sure why
38:09 <Ampera> c0rnbr34d, I'd be willing to cook for you if you can make me figure out how the fuck x86 ASM is supposed to even work
38:20 <Ampera> it's like an alien language designed by an alien to look like an alien language
38:35 <c0rnbr34d> your gonna be on your own on that one, x86 is kinda retrated
38:43 <Ampera> retrated
38:46 <c0rnbr34d> you should start with somthing risc based
38:51 <Ampera> fuck RISC, RISC is for cunts
38:51 <Halcyon> That's OK, Ampera is kind of retarded too
38:57 * Ampera hugs 68k ASM
38:58 <c0rnbr34d> litteraly
39:00 <c0rnbr34d> y
39:06 <Halcyon> Arguably so :P
39:10 <Halcyon> But we love him anyway
39:19 <Ampera> I'm not the upside downy
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39:24 <Halcyon> Hahaha
39:31 <Ampera> downy soft
39:34 <c0rnbr34d> Ampera: try waking the fuck up
39:35 <Halcyon> :P
39:41 <c0rnbr34d> x86 is bloat
39:41 <Ampera> I'm already woke
40:01 <c0rnbr34d> what WM do you guys use?
40:06 <electrohead> awesome WM
40:16 <Ampera> c0rnbr34d, I'll jump ship to RISC the moment it can replace my 3950X for the same price and with a platform at least as open as PC compatibles
40:18 <Ampera> windowmaker
40:29 <electrohead> Woo, 15 minutes until I can close and go home
40:34 <c0rnbr34d> heh
40:43 <Halcyon> electrohead, yay!
40:52 <c0rnbr34d> i switched to dwm from I3 recently and its been kinda fun
41:00 <c0rnbr34d> have any of you used wayland?
41:04 <Ampera> i3 and dwm don't have enough features for me
41:05 <electrohead> what distro do you use?
41:06 <Ampera> wayland is ass
41:12 <c0rnbr34d> archlabs
41:12 <Halcyon> 20 minutes and it's midday here, I could crack open a wine, might help numb my throat a bit
41:13 Quit: Octane ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
41:25 <c0rnbr34d> Halcyon: do it
41:32 <Ampera> what is archlabs
41:40 <c0rnbr34d> im running out of whiskey atm
41:43 <c0rnbr34d> its arch basicly
41:48 <Ampera> you fool
41:49 <c0rnbr34d> themed like bunson labs
41:50 <electrohead> Just install arch?
41:50 <Ampera> you've awoken him
41:52 <rust_collector> crucchbang on arch, sort of
42:06 <Ampera> you've summoned the arch
42:08 <c0rnbr34d> its just got a nice what do you call it
42:13 <c0rnbr34d> fake cli gui
42:18 <Ampera> wha
42:20 <c0rnbr34d> cant rememebr what its called
42:23 <Ampera> ok now I gotta google this
42:27 * electrohead slaps the fakeness out of c0rnbr34d
42:55 <c0rnbr34d> kek
42:56 <Ampera> so it's a bloated arch
42:56 <c0rnbr34d> um
43:02 <c0rnbr34d> yeahh
43:05 <c0rnbr34d> i slim it a bit
43:06 <Ampera> like manjaro but with even less of a reason to exist
43:10 <c0rnbr34d> no
43:12 <rust_collector> did you use munchwhistle, when it was still a thing?
43:14 <c0rnbr34d> manjaro is actuall bloar
43:15 <electrohead> lol
43:20 <Halcyon> Oi, Manjaro is awesome
43:23 <c0rnbr34d> eh
43:25 <Ampera> manjaro is for cunts
43:29 <c0rnbr34d> its bloated archlabs
43:33 <Halcyon> Then why aren't you running it?
43:37 <Halcyon> You're kind of cunty yourself
43:38 <c0rnbr34d> also I hate kde and xfce
43:41 <MrMobodies> Hello
43:43 <Ampera> because I don't have a cunt yet
43:45 <c0rnbr34d> floating windows are yuckers
43:47 <Ampera> hi MrMobodies how are you
43:47 <Halcyon> Morning MrMobodies
43:57 <Ampera> I'll switch to i3 when I can tile windows independently of other windows
44:08 <c0rnbr34d> wdym?
44:10 <MrMobodies> very pleased about Windowmaker and LXDE
44:10 <Ampera> right now it's completely impossible to use it properly
44:22 <MrMobodies> oops I mean KDE
44:22 <Ampera> so with i3, windows tile only when you have multiple windows, otherwise it uses the whole screen
44:24 <MrMobodies> silly me
44:31 <c0rnbr34d> like have tilled and floating?
44:42 <c0rnbr34d> you can float windows independently with i3
44:43 <Ampera> and without switching the entire workspace, you can't switch tiled windows
44:45 <rust_collector> manual tiling?
44:53 <Ampera> let me give you an example
44:54 <c0rnbr34d> and if you have gaps its basicly the same
44:59 <Ampera> I have an ultrauiltrawide, 32:9
45:15 <Ampera> on windowmaker, I have a hotkey so I can maximize half left and half right
45:26 <Ampera> since it's all floating, I can easily alt+tab and switch windows, and treat the display like two monitors
45:29 <Ampera> on i3 you just can't do that
45:54 <Ampera> there is no way to snap the size of a floating window to half the screen, and if you use tiling, the entire point of i3, it all breaks the moment you have more than two windows on the monitor
45:58 <c0rnbr34d> you can do that on dwm with moncale mode
45:58 <Ampera> (or less than two)
46:09 <Ampera> or I can do it with windowmaker, which is already heaven on earth
46:17 <c0rnbr34d> you have a master on one side and everything is stacked ontop of itself on the right
46:32 <c0rnbr34d> ive never used window maker
46:39 <Ampera> really simple and easy menu builder, flexible appicon and miniwindow system, and it's very easily skinnable
46:49 <c0rnbr34d> hm
47:08 <c0rnbr34d> I havent used dwm with 2 monitors yet so im not sure how it will hold up
47:19 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/scrot15.png
47:22 <Ampera> I have four monitors
47:30 <rust_collector> I have not had any problems with that on dwm
47:34 <Ampera> this was my old one which is now a secondary monitor
47:49 <Ampera> windowmaker makes it really easy to manage multi monitor setups
48:02 <Halcyon> I'm thinking maybe this for dinner: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/lamb-gozleme-one-pan-pie-recipe/aoi6eguq
48:19 <Halcyon> Nice and easy and quick
48:47 <Ampera> lamb is stupid expensive here
49:02 <Ampera> it's easily more expensive than steak
49:03 <rust_collector> lamb is stupid everywhere
49:22 <c0rnbr34d> is the screenshot you sent me with windowmaker?
49:32 <Ampera> it is windowmaker
49:46 <Ampera> no windows, it's just something I had laying around
50:28 <c0rnbr34d> really
50:35 <c0rnbr34d> that is an intresting windows rice
50:41 <Ampera> rice?
50:47 <c0rnbr34d> customization
50:50 <Halcyon> Lamb is fairly reasonable here, About AUD$11.50 kilogram for a leg
50:56 <Halcyon> But you could use any mince.
50:57 <Ampera> yeah I'm familiar with the term, but there's not much customization
51:46 <c0rnbr34d> sorry I was confused
52:03 <electrohead> It's been a while since I had lamb
52:08 <c0rnbr34d> for some reason I thought you were saying it was windows not windowmaker
52:12 <electrohead> Tastes so good
52:14 <c0rnbr34d> and that did not look like windows
52:18 <Halcyon> Lamb shanks in the slow cooker are my favourite
52:27 <c0rnbr34d> ive never seen window maker beforwe
52:41 <rust_collector> I had blackbox on windows, that confused me some times
52:42 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/2021-01-27-195155_1920x1080_scrot.png
52:45 <Ampera> here's my laptop right now
52:53 <Ampera> c0rnbr34d, I never said it was windows
53:13 <Ampera> ah, I see the confusion
53:13 <c0rnbr34d> ik i was just being dumb
53:16 <c0rnbr34d> yeah
53:16 <MrMobodies> the menus can be customized easily and very well and in good taste
53:16 <Ampera> I meant I had no windows open
53:23 <c0rnbr34d> right
53:28 <c0rnbr34d> i understand nopw
54:32 <MrMobodies> here, how can I add programs to the menu
54:39 <MrMobodies> aah got to read the manual I suppose
54:41 <Ampera> I've tried other wm's/de's, but I just can't find one that's as nice as windowmaker
55:18 <electrohead> already, time to start closing the store up, I shall be back later on
55:26 <electrohead> err
55:28 <electrohead> alrighty*
55:56 <electrohead> I'm off tomorrow, so taking some beer home :P
56:07 <Ampera> you drunkard!
56:15 <Ampera> alcohol is sinful
56:22 <electrohead> You're sinful.
56:26 <electrohead> :p
56:32 <Ampera> extravagantly, but alcohol is worse
56:39 <electrohead> No, you're a towel.
56:48 <Ampera> that's racist
56:52 <electrohead> lol
57:00 <electrohead> alright, shall be back then
57:04 <Ampera> ciao
57:18 <rust_collector> chaos!
57:19 <MrMobodies> me looking at what gtk3 did was worse, that's why I had a few beers some nights ago
57:29 <MrMobodies> now I am back to my tea and coffee
57:47 <Ampera> gtk is a crime against software
57:59 <MrMobodies> I found something supporting that too
58:19 <c0rnbr34d> ncmpcpp is being bad
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59:00 <MrMobodies> https://linuxreviews.org/GNOME_Developers_have_Made_Their_Moves_against_Themes
59:03 <c0rnbr34d> this insubordinance will not be tolerated
59:14 <MrMobodies> and now they're wanting to remove the menu bars
59:19 <MrMobodies> into these popup things
00:13 <MrMobodies> I think I prefer WindowMaker very much compared to that Gnome3 unity/activites thing many years ago when it comes to tiles
00:45 <MrMobodies> I find for some reason WindowMakerstuff looks to me better designed
01:44 <rust_collector> i think you should try evilwm. it is a floating wm, pretty basic. does manage windows
02:07 <MrMobodies> oooh rustcollector, I set that KDE up exactly the way I want
02:33 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/m6tmm9ng.jpg
02:40 <rust_collector> ok, if you did that, i guess it is what you want now, lol
02:49 <MrMobodies> got rid of most of the annoying niggly stuff
02:59 <MrMobodies> I can mount the Pfsense drives to edit
03:11 <MrMobodies> and WindowMaker is what I am going to use for my other stuff
03:57 <MrMobodies> sorry that was the thumbnail
03:58 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/m6tmm9n.jpg
04:05 <rust_collector> I think you are very very weird, if you install kde, just to run a file manager, but use windowmaker for normal use, lol
04:27 <MrMobodies> well I have lots of good choices
04:41 <rust_collector> but, if it does what you want, who cares
04:47 <MrMobodies> sorry if I am weired like that
05:33 <rust_collector> nah, it is your problem, except that you do not have a problem with it
05:45 <MrMobodies> nope it is what I am use to
05:55 <MrMobodies> yeh my problem too
06:16 <MrMobodies> but i works well for me and I don't often make mistakes like I use to decades ago
06:29 <MrMobodies> I always prepare of copy first
06:54 <MrMobodies> and yes i might be lazy to in that respect
07:05 <MrMobodies> but you all made me happy by helping me
07:30 <rust_collector> Ampera, does the bsds put a date on when a file was created? or do you just see the last time it was changed?
07:39 <Ampera> uhhhhhhh
07:57 <Ampera> I don't know off the top of my head what Linux even does, but my guess would be it depends on the filesystem used
07:58 <MrMobodies> strangely Dolphins shows that but not PcManFM and Caja
08:17 <Ampera> if the filesystem supports it, the BSD's will probably honor that implementation
08:53 * Halcyon coughs at Ampera
09:01 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon 
09:05 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
09:16 <Halcyon> Fine. I have a cold though :(
09:21 <Halcyon> Which is why I'm off work today
09:21 <Ampera> haha covid
09:25 <Ampera> fuckerrrrrr
09:26 <Halcyon> It's not covid
09:30 <Ampera> bat soup eaterrrrrr
09:33 <rust_collector> yes it is
09:34 <Halcyon> We don't have covid here, we're pure
09:40 <Ampera> pure shit more like
09:40 <rust_collector> it is that new version
09:43 <Halcyon> :P
09:53 <Ampera> why did you go get yourself a cold
09:56 <rust_collector> ok, so you put a different name on it, but it still is
09:58 <Ampera> don't you know those things are annoying?
10:05 <Halcyon> I didn't ask for it, someone gave it to me
10:21 <Halcyon> It's mild, but my throat is all scratchy so I didn't sleep properly
10:38 <Ampera> what do you think of your government deciding to make sharing news online for free illegal
10:57 <rust_collector> do you open presents from the old lady who smells slightly like pee, just to be nice around christmas, or do you just say thanks, and bin it
11:03 <Halcyon> *shrug* Most news is bullshit anyway
11:04 <Ampera> or rather, allow news organizations to charge for the right to link to their content
11:18 <Ampera> it's a complete travesty against the entire concept of the world wide web to begin with
11:22 <Halcyon> Ampera, that's not far from what they are doing now, with paywalls etc...
11:36 <Halcyon> I really don't care. I think it will be the end of those companies as people switch off
11:45 <Halcyon> There will always be free sources of news
12:05 <Ampera> no, it means that ANY WEBSITE cannot with zero liability hyperlink to a news article
12:14 <Halcyon> Good luck enforcing it
12:16 <Ampera> as any news website can demand payment for that
12:19 <Halcyon> It would be like banning bittorrent
12:41 <Halcyon> I'd say some crusty idiot who doesn't understand technology, came up with this crap
12:46 <Halcyon> It won't last, mark my words
12:59 <Ampera> I just hope our constitution is enough to protect us from idiots like that putting these sorts of laws together
13:36 <Halcyon> You have enough dumb laws there dispite your constitution, so I wouldn't bet on it
13:41 <Ampera> such as
13:51 <Halcyon> As I said, I think this will have minimal impact. It's all about money
13:53 <Halcyon> It always is
14:41 <Ampera> I mean we have dumb laws, but few /this/ dumb
14:48 <Ampera> not even the DMCA is this bad
14:57 <Halcyon> Every country has dumb laws like this
15:15 <Halcyon> But, as I said, law or not, I think this won't have the impact that these news companies wanted
15:23 <Halcyon> People will just find independant, free sources of news
15:37 <Halcyon> The big companies owned by Fairfax etc... have been struggling for a long time
16:22 <Ampera> it's not about that, it makes web indexes infeasible to operate
16:35 <Ampera> because any dickhole can come along claiming to be a news site and demand royaltys
16:41 <Halcyon> They just won't show content hosted by those companies who decide to charge for it
16:44 <MrMobodies> deciding to make news illegal... I wonder would that also include stock photos.
17:03 <Halcyon> In the end, I think it will hurt those companies' bottom line
17:08 <MrMobodies> oops worded that wrongly news sharing sorry
17:09 <Ampera> I'd be interested to know the enforcement specifics, if royalties could sill be demanded despite a takedown
17:19 <Halcyon> *shrug*
17:31 <Ampera> Someone's lobbying for this shit
18:04 * T3sl4 smells Halcyon
18:17 <Halcyon> Well I'd imagine news companies could enter into a contract, which would prevent them from later seeking costs
18:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I smell like CK One
18:36 <T3sl4> ew
18:58 <T3sl4> he knows a perfume/cologne name, he must be gay
19:01 <Halcyon> I can actually see good and bad things with this new law, it's not all doom and gloom
19:29 <Ampera> I'd rather the WWW's original goal of freely linkable sites not be shit on
19:31 <Halcyon> I think we'll see further collapse of the big news sources and increased visibility of the smaller, indepentant companies who choose not to charge for their news
19:52 <Ampera> The effect outweights the cost
19:55 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I have 3-4 regular ones I use
19:59 <Halcyon> Well, that's yet to be seen
20:01 <Ampera> however beneficial it is
20:11 <Halcyon> I'm not supporting it, nor am I unsupportive of it.
20:15 <Ampera> aye, it hasn't even been passed yet
20:19 <Halcyon> Indeed
20:29 <Ampera> anyways, need to go to sleep, good night
20:32 <Halcyon> Night
20:38 * Halcyon slaps Ampera on the ass on the way out
21:24 <c0rnbr34d> oi
21:53 <c0rnbr34d> milk+honey=nice
22:15 <T3sl4> milk + amaretto = nice too
22:40 <Halcyon> :P
22:53 <Halcyon> For some reason, I'm craving tiramisu
23:23 <coppice_> Milk + bacteria to turn it into yoghurt is nice too
23:39 <Halcyon> Agreed
23:56 <c0rnbr34d> ive never tried amaretto
24:01 <T3sl4> milk + enzymes + bacteria is nice too
24:19 <T3sl4> rennet^
25:10 <coppice_> now he's getting fancy. thinks he's the big cheese
25:33 <Halcyon> :P
25:38 <Halcyon> Back soon, going to the shops
26:40 <T3sl4> yeah well, you're just spoiled
26:41 <rust_collector> back later, going to bed
31:09 <c0rnbr34d> shops?
31:43 <rust_collector> chops?
32:02 <c0rnbr34d> do any of you guys have a home lab
32:26 <rust_collector> some of us probably do.
32:38 <c0rnbr34d> I currently live in a hackerhouse and am moving out and need to buy my own tools or find a hackerspace in the contry
32:46 <rust_collector> i just have a desk full of crap
32:48 <c0rnbr34d> just not sure what kinda setup I want
32:49 <c0rnbr34d> lol
33:13 <c0rnbr34d> id like to network everything over LXI but that creates issues with NI equipment :/
34:20 <c0rnbr34d> not sure what the best aproch is but I do want to be able to script to all my instruments and GPIB sucks ass
35:24 <c0rnbr34d> I would also like my electronics lab to mesh well with my home server and be extensible to new equipment like machining stuff, fab stuff, and maybe one day computational chem
35:52 <rust_collector> ok, have fun with that. good night
35:54 <c0rnbr34d> ontop of that id like to be able to use one shell to talk to everything
36:03 <c0rnbr34d> and ideally connect it all over catV
36:16 <c0rnbr34d> .-.
36:29 <c0rnbr34d> it is a mess
37:37 <c0rnbr34d> anyones welcome to pm me though if they have any reomendations... ill probably make some blog posts about it once my new site goes online
03:13 <electrohead> o/
20:35 <c0rnbr34d> just downloaded all of kanye in flac
20:43 <c0rnbr34d> for some reason didnt have JIK though
25:22 <Halcyon> Mmmmback
27:48 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
34:36 * electrohead sends c0rnbr34d death metal
35:08 <c0rnbr34d> *deathmetal*
35:20 <c0rnbr34d> ill take it
37:10 <Halcyon> Mmmm cornbread
37:14 <Halcyon> Haven't made that for ages
38:01 <Halcyon> You all home now electrohead ?
39:02 <electrohead> Yeah I'm home, had to clean up fucking cat piss, guh
39:17 <electrohead> My new cat decided to piss in my bathroom again, most likely just being a power move
39:38 <electrohead> He's new to my place, and male; my other cat is female, and they are clashing a tiny bit yet, yay
39:44 <Halcyon> Asshole cats
41:25 <c0rnbr34d> dont worry guys, found JIK in flac too
41:44 <electrohead> JIK?
41:49 <c0rnbr34d> jesus is king
41:55 <c0rnbr34d> kanyes 9th studio album
41:55 <Halcyon> ?
42:10 <Halcyon> Meh, not my taste
42:23 <c0rnbr34d> is there any connection to weechat and wechat?
42:26 <electrohead> the worst death metal still sounds better than kanye west
42:37 <c0rnbr34d> wtf
42:37 <electrohead> c0rnbr34d: no, not at all
42:39 <c0rnbr34d> no
42:42 <c0rnbr34d> i didnt think so
42:52 <Halcyon> It's still an unfortunate name
42:56 <c0rnbr34d> ^
43:05 <Halcyon> Could have called it PlopChat or something
43:28 <electrohead> or "ChinaChatToSpyOnYou"
43:31 <electrohead> ;P
43:45 <electrohead> (lol)
43:53 <Halcyon> I'll buy you a Huawei switch electrohead
44:11 <Halcyon> Only packet captures on ports beginning with rucky numbers
44:17 <electrohead> LOL
44:20 <electrohead> hahahaha
44:35 <c0rnbr34d> kekd
44:42 <electrohead> ok ok that's a bit mean, yet.. I'd rather take a 3G Huawei modem instead
45:01 <electrohead> so they can egress data over time to fucking wherever
45:17 <electrohead> where ever* ?
45:29 <electrohead> anyways, so I brought home another new drink
46:29 <electrohead> https://boeningbrothers.com/product/yuengling-raging-eagle-mango-beer/
46:45 <electrohead> since this is my hometown's brewery, I thought I'd try it out
46:51 <electrohead> it's decent in a way
47:27 <electrohead> 6% ABV
48:30 <Halcyon> Is 6% a lot?
49:42 <electrohead> For me? Ehh, I tiny bit higher than my go-to beer
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49:53 <electrohead> But, in comparison to the IPA's I drink, that's nothing
49:56 <electrohead> lol
50:06 <electrohead> a tiny bit**
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56:00 <c0rnbr34d> 3%<6%<11%
59:56 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
01:56 <arch> c0rnbr34d, much math, very wow
09:41 <electrohead> the 'mad elf' is 11%
09:53 <electrohead> that shit fucks you up, y0
09:58 <electrohead> arch: o/
10:33 <c0rnbr34d> can you get that on the west coast
10:38 <c0rnbr34d> never seen it before
11:20 <electrohead> not too sure, as it's somewhat of a local beer for me
11:22 <electrohead> https://troegs.com/beer/mad-elf/
12:39 <c0rnbr34d> hows the racing egal btw?
13:05 <Halcyon> I'm bored
13:12 <c0rnbr34d> drink beer?
13:21 <Halcyon> I have wine
13:40 <c0rnbr34d> drink wine?
14:32 <Halcyon> I am
16:18 <c0rnbr34d> smart man
16:23 <arch> can't stand low alcohol content drinks. taste awful
16:30 <c0rnbr34d> based?
19:08 <electrohead> c0rnbr34d: huh?
19:15 <electrohead> racing egal?
24:48 <c0rnbr34d> yes, racing eagle
24:52 <c0rnbr34d> is it good?
27:26 <c0rnbr34d> whats the keybind to switch from a IRC channel to PMs?
30:44 <c0rnbr34d> nvm figured it out
32:29 <c0rnbr34d> is ther a faster way than slash query?
33:58 <Halcyon> *shrug*
35:41 <Halcyon> Thinking about having a little lay down
35:47 <Halcyon> But I don't want to fall asleep
36:36 Quit: c0rnbr34d ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
38:25 <arch> don't fall asleep with your legs hanging. the tentacle monster will get ya
41:44 <Halcyon> ... sounds interesting
47:52 <electrohead> lol
48:04 * Halcyon sneezes
48:08 <Halcyon> Stupid cold
48:11 * T3sl4 tickles arch ten times
48:18 <Halcyon> I should go pack the dishwasher
49:07 <T3sl4> i'll show you what else to pack
49:37 <Halcyon> My toothbrush?
50:57 <T3sl4> i was thinking a sandwich for lunch, but that too
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55:25 <Halcyon> There you go electrohead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNOmv_i8ZU8
55:27 <Halcyon> Cats
56:44 * T3sl4 meows at Halcyon
58:23 <Halcyon> Hahahah "Damn cute dickheads"
59:45 <electrohead> Heh
59:58 <electrohead> His face tattoos are interesting
00:08 <Halcyon> I love this guy.
00:35 <electrohead> I could never get a face tattoo
00:44 <electrohead> but, more power to him
00:46 <electrohead> :p
00:46 <Halcyon> Same
00:54 * electrohead poke-hugs T3sl4
00:59 <Halcyon> He really doesn't give a shit what people think about him
01:18 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead with a poker
01:34 <electrohead> I have that same 'thing' going on, yet.. I can cover my tattoos with clothing, and look normal walking down the street
08:59 <Halcyon> I might go have a shower wine
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15:14 <electrohead> drink one for me :P
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47:32 <MrMobodies> I found another distro but it isn't Freebsd
47:40 <MrMobodies> Knoppix 8.6
48:38 <MrMobodies> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/VirtualBox_KNOPPIX_Desktop_GER_26_01_2021_20_20_47.png
48:47 <MrMobodies> looks like a copy of Archos
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46:08 <c0rnbr34d> goonight
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08:09 <MrMobodies> Hello
08:37 <MrMobodies> the coffee maker arrived yesterday and just opened it
08:39 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/Wr5LenW
08:44 <MrMobodies> going to test it when I wake up
09:08 <MrMobodies> the casket and filter seems in really good condition but the cord looks like it is busted
09:34 <MrMobodies> and it going to need a lot of cleaning
18:46 <T3sl4> hm interesting, looks like my car battery got unbalanced. have been floating it all day, drawing little current and bubbling slowly. but cycling it seems to be helping more.
27:39 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.redd.it/hd7dtzcltyd61.jpg
34:02 <T3sl4> also, damn, i know these chinese gator clip leads are bad, but they're dropping a whole 0.7V to this load resistor, that's 0.191 ohms each
36:08 <Halcyon> Hehehe
36:09 <Halcyon> Cute
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45:07 <K> hello barley
47:24 <Watcher> hey K
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52:54 <steve30> hi
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27:17 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
27:50 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, thats rather good for one of those leads. try loading to their full specced 10A, thats where they realy glow from pride!
28:03 <T3sl4> hehehe
28:15 <steve30> hi Ysjoelfir
28:50 * Ysjoelfir hugs steve30 and T3sl4
29:12 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir 
29:56 <Ysjoelfir> I tend to cut off the leads and just replace them with better silicone leads, as the clamp part is usually ok-ish in quality
44:32 <steve30> I think I'll go and make some chicken risotto
44:42 <Ysjoelfir> Make some for me, too, would you?
44:44 <steve30> I think I'll also put the bread maker on.
45:32 <Ysjoelfir> Thats a great idea, we love us some nice bread!
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54:08 <rust_collector> re!
54:11 <rust_collector> lol
56:11 <Ysjoelfir> mornings rusty
56:22 <rust_collector> hey-o
57:28 <rust_collector> and again, I had planned to get up in a few hours. I wonder why I keep waking up too early
58:35 <Ysjoelfir> when did you go to bed?
58:58 <rust_collector> hmm, good question. I guess around 4
59:55 <K> wc or hunger
00:19 <K> or someone upstairs has taken up drillng concrete
00:28 * steve30 feels cold
00:30 <Ysjoelfir> then you had 2 hours more sleep than I had!
00:42 <rust_collector> that could be it, except I am upstairs, lol
00:43 <steve30> I slept quite well
00:44 <Ysjoelfir> I went to bed at 5:30 and woke up at 11
01:48 <rust_collector> I have been awake for a bit. meh. it is just a thing. on tuesday, wife woke me up at 18.20, wondering if I had the day off
12:23 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^ But hey, at least you had more than an hour?
13:04 <rust_collector> yep. i think I spent the time, making plans
13:27 <rust_collector> all i remember, is that I have to make coffee
15:11 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great plan!
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> yesterday I received some stuff from a army surplus store. I bought some swedish and danish stuff, and was very thrilled when I saw the nice pattern the danes put onto their bedrolls xD
16:42 <rust_collector> uuh, ok?
18:00 <Ysjoelfir> yep
18:00 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mlA7MJs0UEg_dSvKdl5B5anDjhpu03U_/view?usp=sharing
18:29 <K> aaw
18:50 <Ysjoelfir> isn't that cute?^^
18:59 <rust_collector> that...
19:01 <rust_collector> uhm
19:39 <rust_collector> I think grandma had those fold-up beach bed things, with that pattern
19:52 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
20:53 <rust_collector> danish army surplus breadrolls
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:09 <K> danish army grandma
23:18 <rust_collector> that is why no one has invaded denmark, in at least a few years
24:02 <rust_collector> you do not mess with ARMY GRANDMA *catchy song plays*
28:46 <Ysjoelfir> Strangely enough, everytime I play crusader kings as some nordis, slavic or germanic king, denmark is the first country to be... friendly reminded that it is now mine. xD
33:17 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
34:27 <rust_collector> these days, you do not need to go to war, just send an email. It is just some backwards countries, that still do war things, because they like it, I think
35:03 <Ysjoelfir> You mean those like the US? who try to force eg. germany to stop building that pipeline to russia?
35:43 <rust_collector> eeh, well, yes, like that one, but not because of that
38:37 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir and rust_collector 
39:13 * rust_collector re-hugs
39:41 <Ampera> how are my two favorite friends doing?
40:20 <rust_collector> I have no idea, you should call them and ask
41:20 <Ysjoelfir> I'm fine, how are you Ampera?
41:31 <Ampera> my biltong isn't dry yet :/
41:37 <Ampera> I'm gonna have to leave it in there for a week or more
41:51 <Ysjoelfir> still not? wow. its going to be great!
41:59 <Ampera> not even close
42:09 <Ampera> cut open another bit of my sacrificial piece and it was as moist as roast beef inside
42:47 <rust_collector> with you people playing games... did any of you actually play calm down stalin?
43:25 <Ysjoelfir> I have seen a guy cutting the biltong in thin slices after it was dry from the outside and drying that again afterwards.
43:44 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, nope, doesn't ring a bell
45:22 <rust_collector> but.... it is on steam, everyone has to know about that awesome game
11:21 Quit: clarkos ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
11:53 <Ysjoelfir> seriously amazon? I was looking for a calendar for 2021 to put beside my desk. this is what was suggested. https://www.amazon.de/Kackende-Tiere-Kalender-2021-Weihnachtsgeschenke/dp/B08NWTCV47
12:35 <rust_collector> maybe delete your search history and cookies, and try again?
13:14 <rust_collector> https://www.amazon.de/Bilder-denen-nicht-masturbieren-sollten/dp/3868833927/ref=bmx_4?pd_rd_w=1fTj0&pf_rd_p=9c5e12ce-f6e4-4f9d-9c5b-b51e3f5453e0&pf_rd_r=XD0KPR60B2RD0VS6699Q&pd_rd_r=6a737a94-c6f8-436d-95f0-d6c441e570e8&pd_rd_wg=7Jf9y&pd_rd_i=3868833927&psc=1
15:29 <Ampera> who the fuck comes up with this shit
15:37 <rust_collector> germans
15:46 <Ampera> I am a german
15:50 <rust_collector> https://www.amazon.de/Desktop-Emoji-Flip-Bailey-Jamien/dp/1909732451/ref=sr_1_12?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=flip+over+calendar&qid=1611836101&s=books&sr=1-12
15:51 <Ampera> who the fuck comes up with this shit
15:54 <rust_collector> ok, then it was you
16:15 <Ampera> fuck you
16:18 <Ampera> I hate that guy
16:20 <Ampera> you is a fucker
16:22 <Ampera> a mother fucker
16:39 <rust_collector> mhmmm
27:11 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.fmylife.com/article/best-baby-names-of-2021_343520.html
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