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13:11 <electrohead> o/
15:48 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
16:09 <electrohead> I feel like a golden monkey, after drinking four of those fuckers, last night
16:29 * electrohead wobble-hugs Ampera
16:32 <Ampera> I've never drank a monkey, plenty of small animals
16:43 <electrohead> lol
16:56 * Ampera hangs electrohead over the coffee pot
17:23 <electrohead> I'll do coffee later on, water and apple juice for now
17:25 <electrohead> :p
17:28 <Ampera> my dad got me a big stoneware set for christmas with everything I need to hold a fucking tea party
17:48 <Ampera> so I guess I should maybe start drinking a hot beverage like tea or coffee, but I'd need a good one of them
18:00 <Ampera> meh, water is all I drink now unless I'm eating out
19:48 Quit: spyda ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:29 <electrohead> well, you're into computers, so.. coffee is the answer.
22:48 <Ampera> wha?
23:04 <Ampera> honestly my main concern with tea and coffee is staining the fuck out of my teeth
23:23 <Ampera> especially since I don't brush mine, I'm wary of regular consumption of any acidic drinks
23:28 * electrohead throws a thing called a toothbrush at Ampera
23:50 <Ampera> I actually hate brushing my teeth because my parents forced it upon me
23:51 <Ampera> literally
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24:00 <Ampera> my dad would sit on me and jam the toothbrush in my mouth
24:25 <electrohead> well if you can, get someone else to sit on your while you brush your teeth?
24:38 * Ampera sits on electrohead and jams things into his mouth
24:38 <electrohead> you*
24:49 <electrohead> well that doesn't sound sexual, lol
25:01 <Ampera> I'd hope it wasn't for my dad either
25:05 <electrohead> >.<
25:27 <Ampera> but they did constant unending nagging which made me not enjoy doing it, and despite the simplicity, I just stopped and haven't started
25:47 <Ampera> I also haven't been to a dentist since I forgot an appointment, they didn't pick up the phone when I tried to reschedule, and I stopped caring since
25:56 <Ampera> probably a couple years or so
26:09 <electrohead> well, if you are serious about not brushing your teeth, wait until you're older and start having problems
26:22 <Ampera> I'm serious about nothing, and well aware of exactly what happens
26:41 <Ampera> that being said, I do still regularly fluorinate my teeth
26:58 <Ampera> and I no longer drink anything acidic
27:35 <Ampera> I may start up again some day, but the one thing I will /never/ do is floss
27:41 <Ampera> fuck that shit
44:49 <electrohead> so, here's one to think about - those idiots, per say, that stormed capital hill; for all anyone knows, that allowed someone to sneak in, along with said fucktards, and do something malicious
45:07 <electrohead> more as in, plugging a thumb drive in somewhere, hardware bug, etc
45:10 <electrohead> heh
54:40 <Ampera> electrohead, I'd imagine that to be unlikely, as there are a lot of random civilians around causing random havoc
54:57 <Ampera> there's plenty of chance for whatever bug to be destroyed, captured, and dozens of people will see you do it
58:06 <electrohead> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
59:55 <K> how many ppl have something like that on hand, at a moments notice
59:57 <K> ?
00:38 <Ampera> It'd have to either be a moment's notice, or for the collapse of security to be a conspiracy so great enough to preclude something simple like bugging a computer
00:51 <Ampera> I'd also imagine the IT there likely does frequent sweeps for such devices
04:10 <electrohead> something something, using [X] as an advantage for some type of gain; for all we do know, someone got paid to help stir up shit, for someone else's benefit.
04:34 <electrohead> anywho
04:42 <Ampera> People were let into the capital.
04:44 * electrohead offers decaf coffee to Ampera
04:56 <Ampera> If the government /didn't want/ them in there, there's means they could have used
05:58 <Ampera> it's possible they underestimated the velocity of the rioters there, I don't run capitol security, so I can't say what means are standard affair
06:26 <Ampera> considering that, as far as we know, only three people died, and only one by gunfire, I'd say capitol security did a pretty good job
09:36 <K> didn't some official resign?
10:16 <Ampera> afaik a few white house staffers resigned
10:42 <Ampera> and iirc the head of household for Pence had his white house access credentials revoked
10:48 <Ampera> might have been someone else, but someone involved with the VP did
13:57 <K> yea, might be that
14:23 <K> was eating my breakfast, still half asleep and was like "whaaaat....."
15:00 <K> the pic with confederate flag with some old timey portrait in background
15:26 <Ampera> Mad respect to Pence though, despite him wanting to spark the gay out of people, he had to go right against his president like that
15:47 <K> oranga man done goofed, eh
16:23 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:09 <Ampera> It's a system run by people who follow their hearts, rather than the system. Unfortunately, good hearts rarely exist in politics
17:39 <electrohead> s/politics/people
17:41 <Ampera> The only thing I would say about what happened last night, is if anything was engineered, it was to scare the rest of congress into dropping Trump
17:43 <electrohead> fixed that for you :p
18:12 <Ampera> as that's exactly what happened, after congress reconvened, most of what little support Trump had left in Congress quickly evaporated
18:55 <Ampera> that being said, there are few great leaders in history who haven't outright shot themselves in the foot, so Trump might have just been stupid and butthurt
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55:00 <Ampera> spark_gap, you good now?
55:38 <spark_gap> 3 hours of sleep
55:49 <Ampera> no I mean with join/leave flooding the channel
55:51 <Ampera> :P
55:57 <Ampera> unless you didn't notice the ban
56:01 <spark_gap> ?
56:17 <Ampera> you join/leave message flooded the channel for like 100-200 lines or so
56:23 <Ampera> until I saw it and had to ban you
56:24 <spark_gap> ohh
56:29 <Ampera> you did it to eevblog on afternet too
56:30 <spark_gap> didn't know
56:52 <Ampera> not a big deal, just might be something you'd want to look into I suppose
57:03 <spark_gap> have no idea why it happned
57:09 <spark_gap> and how
59:26 <spark_gap> i was just working with kicad, not paying attention to IRC client
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00:00 <spark_gap> might be internet connection, but it is always stable
01:29 <K> soros be steelin yo packets
03:19 <spark_gap> maybe you can help with stupid question
03:49 <spark_gap> if i want to use this chip: https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/onet8501p.pdf?ts=1610007246077&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FONET8501P
04:11 <spark_gap> limiting amplifier
04:41 <spark_gap> is it ok to feed to an input +2.5V ... - 2,5V
05:39 <spark_gap> supply voltage will be single +3.3 V
06:18 <K> dont think so
06:19 <K> 0.5 to 4.0
06:39 <spark_gap> hm
06:54 <K> it is not balanced around gnd, just - is just oposite of what is on +
07:01 <K> at least as far as i see
08:05 <spark_gap> and if differential amplifier which will feed max +2.5V .. -2.5V will be supplied from separate power supply of +2.5V and -2.5V
11:38 <spark_gap> so as I understand I need somehow to change output from differential amplifier to be centered somwhere at middle 0.5 to 4 V = 1.75V?
11:47 <K> not quite sure what are you asking about, but will it work rail-to-rail ?
12:14 <K> yes, that wold be my guess
12:46 <K> Differential voltage between DIN+ and DIN– ±2.5
14:39 <K> i count that "centre" should be 1.2V? - "DIGITAL input high voltage 2.0", "DIGITAL input low voltage 0.8"
14:58 <K> ((2.0-0.8)/2)+0.8
15:08 <K> but maybe i am missing something
19:28 <spark_gap> as I understand digital high voltage 2V is minimum high voltage
20:21 <spark_gap> and absolute maximum input voltage is 4V
21:03 <spark_gap> voltage above that causes damage to device
21:25 <DHess_US> sort of
21:38 <spark_gap> so max digital high voltage should be = supplyvoltage 3.3V
22:21 <DHess_US> Those are the logic levels for TTL and old TTL can be damaged by inputs higher than 4 volts.
22:49 <DHess_US> The actual limit for old TTL is related to the supply voltage.
22:59 <DHess_US> It isn't 4 volts. It is Vcc.
23:29 <DHess_US> So if you somehow ran old TTL on 3.3 volts and connected an input to 3.3 volts, it could still be damaged.
23:52 <DHess_US> It's a weird bipolar transistor thing which does not apply to later TTL.
25:23 <spark_gap> ONET8501P datasheet also states "Vin,MAX Data input overload 2000 mV peak to peak
25:25 <DHess_US> None of that applies to the chip you linked.
26:24 <DHess_US> All inputs can go to 4.0 volts, but maximum *differential* input is +/-2.5 volts.
27:48 <spark_gap> and it hase a note "All voltage values are with respect to network ground terminal."
27:49 <DHess_US> And no inputs can go below 0 volts as a practical manner.
28:02 <DHess_US> The note is wrong.
28:14 <DHess_US> The +/-2.5 volts has nothing to do with ground.
28:30 <DHess_US> That limits is the difference between the inputs.
28:41 <DHess_US> Which is why it says "differential"
29:14 <DHess_US> The note even says that. It doesn't apply to the line with +/-2.5 volts
29:33 <DHess_US> It only applies to the first three
30:35 <spark_gap> yes now i see what i was missing
30:39 <spark_gap> thanx
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33:00 <spark_gap> and as I understand I need somehow to limit output from differential amp not to exceed max input voltage
33:54 <spark_gap> differential amp is LMH5401
33:55 <spark_gap> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmh5401.pdf?ts=1609964421757
36:00 <spark_gap> so best way is to change differential amplifier supply form +2.5 .. -2.5 to +3,3V
38:32 * Ampera attack-hugs Nothing\ 
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50:21 <rust_collector> morningz
11:32 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
11:43 <Nothing\> thanks man, i needed
11:47 <Nothing\> so bad
11:47 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
11:50 <Ampera> how are you
11:50 <Nothing\> hey
11:53 <Nothing\> shit
11:56 <Ampera> that's good
11:57 <Nothing\> absolute fucking shit
12:00 <Ampera> nice
12:16 <Nothing\> like ready to check myself into a psych hospital legitimately shit
12:25 <Ampera> the therapist?
12:29 <Nothing\> yup
12:55 <Nothing\> he's a lying two faced piece of shit who breached my trust worse than ANY mental health professional ever has
12:57 <Ampera> Do what you think is in your best interest. Preserve yourself.
13:10 <Nothing\> thing is, i have no choice
13:22 <Nothing\> if i don't, i get a breach of probation charge and go to jail
13:48 <Nothing\> but you better believe he's getting an earfull when i go there on monday
14:05 <Nothing\> they can force me to go, the can force me to cooperate, but they can't force me to trust him or open up to him
14:32 <Ampera> Always remember the best things in life are the things you suffer the most for.
14:34 <Nothing\> honestly, if he died today, the only reason i'd be sad is because he'd no longer be able to experience any new pain or suffering
14:42 <Nothing\> that's true
14:48 <Nothing\> i mean rationally, i know it'll all work out
15:07 <Ampera> Not to preach to someone who has seen more than I, but there is of course always a point where fighting can only make things worse
15:14 <Ampera> that's what I've been learning myself recently.
15:16 <Nothing\> but i'm just so hurt and upset and angry and so many different things and on top of that i just keep getting other problems that crop up for me to deal with, too
15:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, doesn't matter how much you've seen. good advice is good advice.
15:56 <Nothing\> but yeah, i considered that too
15:57 <Ampera> Murphy's Law, in a way. The worst times are rarely defined by any one issue, but by a combination.
16:06 <Nothing\> and especilaly since these people have control over me for the next year
16:12 <Ampera> Yet, always remember, the worst of times only comes once.
16:14 <Nothing\> i should probably keep them happy and liking me
16:34 <Ampera> I'm in a similar position, my house loan application was rejected due to too little work history
16:36 <Nothing\> i think i'm just upset and need some time to process this and settle down
16:44 <Nothing\> fuck man, i'm sorry
16:48 <Ampera> no, it's fine
16:50 <Nothing\> what about renting?
16:53 <Ampera> lol
17:00 <Nothing\> or is there some rent to own system there for houses?
17:06 <Ampera> HAHAHAHA
17:12 <Nothing\> yeah, same here
17:27 <Ampera> if you did comedy down here, you'd be a riot, before they start throwing bricks at you :P
17:29 <Nothing\> like, middle class people can't even afford houses in toronto anymore
17:36 <Nothing\> they're going for over a million on average
17:45 <Nothing\> it was $800k a few years ago
17:54 <Ampera> I'd be looking at around a thousand dollars a month with no equity, for a very shitty apartment
18:06 <Ampera> people rarely rent around here unless they are college students or have no other choice
18:14 <Ampera> but, I have a place to remain, within my own house.
18:28 <Nothing\> ah, i see
18:33 <Ampera> I made up with my dad, and for the moment, things are peaceful, and I can focus on other problems.
18:37 <Nothing\> yeah that's a lot better too
18:44 <rust_collector> how many years of work do they want you to have?
18:44 <Nothing\> cuz i can you as a renter, it's not a very stable situation
18:48 <Ampera> rust_collector, 2
18:51 <Ampera> I have close to only one
18:53 <Nothing\> your landlord could sell the property at a moment's notice
19:01 <rust_collector> well, I guess that makes sense
19:16 <Ampera> Renting an apartment is also, paradoxically, harder than buying a house.
19:20 <Nothing\> then you've got rent increases, shitty repairs you have to keep on their ass to get them to do
19:31 <Ampera> as with buying a house, the owner doesn't give a shit what you do with the property once he has the cash
19:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, i certainly couldn't find an apartment when i was looking
19:52 <Nothing\> i mean, there were lots out there
19:54 <Ampera> I found some, almost made a few calls, but a lot of them had poor internet service, which is important for my job
20:02 <Nothing\> but considering i get less for disability than the rent was on any of those
20:09 <Nothing\> less or about just as much as the rent was
20:21 <Nothing\> nobody wanted to rent to me cuz they figured i'd short them cuz i'd run out of money
20:35 <Ampera> If I tried, I could probably find /a/ place to rent
20:42 <Nothing\> then being on disability, nobody defitely wanted to touch me with a 10 foot pole
20:43 <Ampera> but I don't believe I'd be very happy there, and all that money would be money down the toilet
21:02 <Nothing\> the ridiculous thing is, when i went to the housing ministry or whatever here for help
21:03 <Ampera> in 2022 I have the potential to have enough money to afford a private uninsured loan
21:16 <Nothing\> all they did was give me a listing with the same apartments i was looking at, all owned by the same company
21:20 <Ampera> so it could actually end up saving me money in the long term
21:22 <Nothing\> and then tell me to go to a homeless shelter
21:28 <Nothing\> so wtf are they even being paid for
21:35 <Ampera> and as I said, the best things in life are often what you suffer for the most
21:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i'm sure once you get some more work experience under your belt it'll be easier
21:59 <Ampera> welcome to government
22:06 <Nothing\> so, i'm assuming this is even with your parents co-signing the mortgage
22:18 <Ampera> aye, and I wouldn't like that either
22:23 <Nothing\> yeah
22:37 <Nothing\> i dunno how your parents are, but i'd be careful with that
22:47 <Nothing\> my dad co-signed a mortgage for my brother
22:47 <Ampera> Generally trustworthy in terms of financial situations
22:53 <Nothing\> then one day he changed his mind about it
22:57 <Nothing\> took the house back and everything
23:12 <Nothing\> kicked my brother to the curb for no reason other than cuz he got an apparently superior family
23:15 <Ampera> The intent is actually to buy a two unit house, as those are very common here, and rent out to my mom
23:47 <Nothing\> that's an awesome idea
23:54 <Ampera> Nothing\, this is wild shot, but what I've found is thinking and reiterating about prior tragedy can be helpful, but only up to a point
24:04 <Ampera> you've said things like this a lot, maybe it's time to just stop thinking about them
24:08 <Nothing\> that's the only way i was able to get a place, i convinced my mom to leave her POS BF and split a place with me
24:20 <Nothing\> we've both never been happier in terms of our living arrangements
24:30 <Ampera> you'll never get them out of your mind entirely, don't try, but you can easily get trapped repeating things inside your mind you can never change
24:51 <Nothing\> yeah i've been ruminating a lot lately
24:57 <Nothing\> i can't stop myself
25:10 <Nothing\> you know in the last 3 days i've gone through 2 weeks worth of my anxiety meds
25:11 <Ampera> Bad thoughts are like disgusting medicine
25:22 <Ampera> good medicine tastes bad, as they say, but too much of it can cause problems
25:36 <Nothing\> which is fucked because before all of this, i was down to taking 2 a day
25:56 <Nothing\> and now i'm up to 20
26:06 <Nothing\> in 3 fucking days
26:12 * Nothing\ shakes his head
26:18 <Ampera> forget it happened, and continue on as you were
26:24 <Ampera> perfection is the enemy of good
26:35 <Nothing\> i'd like to, but this just means i'm gonna have to go through withdrawals again
26:40 <Nothing\> which, remember me saying i was sick?
26:47 <Nothing\> that's why, i was tapering off of my anxiety meds
26:55 <Nothing\> all that work for nothing
26:59 <Nothing\> because of shit for brains
27:11 <Ampera> it's not for nothing
27:15 <Ampera> it's for Nothing\
27:18 <Ampera> jk
27:27 <Ampera> it's not for nothing, it's because you wanted to fix yourself up
27:47 <Ampera> even past your mistakes, if you don't keep trying to help yourself, then those who cause you grief truly do win
28:13 <Ampera> concepts like that may be meaningless now when you're upset, even if they sound like they make sense in your mind, but it's truly a state you need to strive for
28:16 <Nothing\> no, i know what you mean
28:19 <Nothing\> it is for Nothing\
28:35 <Nothing\> i mean i may not have anything tangible to show for the effort, but i've definitely grown as a person as a result of it
28:36 <Ampera> People have jobs they hate, treat this like one
28:44 <Nothing\> as one does each time they through withdrawal
28:59 <Ampera> a good skill I learned before I started working was how to separate my life
29:29 <Ampera> I had an online and a real life I rarely mixed, perhaps you should try to separate your good life you have outside of your troubles, with what you need to do to get better
29:41 <Nothing\> you're incredibly wise for your age, Ampera
29:41 <Ampera> and by get better, I don't mean the therapist will make you better, I mean once you do the time, you're better off for it
29:50 <Nothing\> which tells me you must have suffered a lot
29:52 <Ampera> don't confuse wisdom with simply knowing the tropes
29:58 <Nothing\> since ime, suffering=wisdom
30:05 <Nothing\> or at least enlightenment
30:13 <Ampera> Does it have to be one's own suffering they must learn from?
30:23 <Nothing\> it seems it's the only way i ever learn
30:42 <Ampera> The mind is like a machine, you need to insert pieces in a way that makes yours turn
30:44 <Nothing\> but that's a good idea. treat it like work i hate.
30:54 <Ampera> some people simply end up with the good fortune to have those pieces fall into place
31:12 <Ampera> What I do is, with little exception, stop working at a defined time, and forget work exists
31:26 <Ampera> people have gone crazy when they have let their professional lives infect their personal ones
31:27 <Nothing\> yeah and i look at those people and think "wtf happened"
31:52 <Nothing\> but with my spiritual beliefs, the way god deals with everybody is different
32:09 <Nothing\> it's not like the bible where the rules apply to everyone blindly
33:00 <Ampera> You say I must have suffered a lot. While many may hate him, and many may love him, it was I believe John Lennon who said god is a concept by which we measure our pain
33:14 <Nothing\> i mean, even giving somebody good fortune can set them up for a long fall
33:17 <Nothing\> ie epstein
33:33 <Ampera> that doesn't sound like fortune
33:40 <Nothing\> well, he HAD the fortune
33:42 <Ampera> fortune is to be fortunate, to have things work well for your own
33:44 <Nothing\> and then he lost it
33:50 <Ampera> of course it can mean money, but not in the way I meant it
33:54 <Nothing\> but the fact that he HAD that fortune means he fell further than most would
34:30 <Ampera> While it's comforting for the rich, money doesn't equate to luck, and money does not equate to happiness
34:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think luck is involved in it in part
35:09 <Nothing\> and no, it most certainly doesn't equate to happiness
35:17 <Ampera> Luck is simply the astronomical rube goldberg machine arranging in your favor
35:20 <Nothing\> in fact, i realized that's part of the reason a lot of people are so unhappy
35:26 <Nothing\> they have no idea what WOULD make them happy
35:29 <Nothing\> including myself
35:34 <Ampera> it may help you, but one's own future is chiefly defined by their own actions
35:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, it's not the worst position to be in
35:55 <Ampera> to know what would make you happy, but be never able to reach it, is worse
36:54 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know, it may not make any sense to you. But in the past since accepting God into my life, I've come across a lot of incredibly upsetting problems like i have recently.
37:37 <Ampera> It's your own choice to believe as you will, but perhaps believing fate is determined by a greater power may only make you feel powerless to control your own
37:45 <Nothing\> and i find every single time, though things look grim and hopeless, somehow a bunch of events happen in exactly the perfect way to make the outcome turn out way better than i ever could have wished for, though by means i also never could have imagined
37:53 <Nothing\> ie, the covid thing keeping me out of prison
38:05 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
38:11 <Nothing\> heh no worries
38:19 <Nothing\> it's a very subjective thing and i wouldn't expect anyone to understand
38:28 <Nothing\> that's why i usually keep this stuff to myself
38:34 <Ampera> The exact same thing can be explained correctly in many different ways.
38:47 <Ampera> To live is to not be dead, for instance.
39:23 <Nothing\> yeha it's like when you see somebody go through some incredibly harrowing event, like that guy who got his arm trapped under a boulder and had to cut it off
39:35 <Nothing\> and people say "oh that man must have been so brave to have done that"
39:40 <Nothing\> that's not bravery, it's survival
39:47 <Nothing\> he did what he had no choice to do
39:56 <Ampera> lol, I'm not brave, I just didn't want to keep my arm inside the boulder :P
40:02 <Nothing\> and when you have choice, that's when you do the things you never thought you could
40:16 <Nothing\> maybe that's a poor example because he had a choice
40:29 <Ampera> For me, my greatest issues right now are with how I see life, and how I see myself.
40:36 <Nothing\> but a lot of times you don't have a choice and just have grit your teeth and bear with it
40:53 <Ampera> If I had the power to make purely objective choices, my life would be no problem, and perhaps even if I had the power to make purely subjective choices, my life would be no problem either
41:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, well i've realized when it comes to knowing something, like believng something about yourself or whatever
41:35 <Nothing\> you can know it, where rationally you know better
41:54 <Nothing\> or you can KNOW it where you know better and actually believe it in your heart of hearts
42:07 <Nothing\> and getting to that point is what's difficult
42:40 <Nothing\> like now, rationally i know things will work out. But I'm still freaking out because i don't believe it. Or part of me doesn't anyways.
42:52 <Nothing\> and that part is apparently overwhelming the rational part of me
42:58 <Ampera> For me, I think I didn't want to see myself as a woman. The entire process has caused me so much pain, and it seemed so reckless, and almost like I didn't deserve it
43:33 <Ampera> No matter how much I knew I wanted it, I felt that because I was never given it, it was never for me
43:42 <Nothing\> i can understand that. It's a huge decision to make. And not one that can be easily reverse, if at all.
44:06 <Ampera> I don't think I'll ever like what's happened to me, but I've also learned very painfully no matter how many times I try to tear myself away from it, I only get sucked in deeper
44:47 <Nothing\> maybe you could explore other genders besides male and female. Or just invent your own. That seems to be the thing to do these days. :P
44:53 <Ampera> lol
45:02 <Ampera> I don't believe in such a concept.
45:16 <Ampera> People can define them however they wish, but within my own mind, attraction is polar.
45:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, so you mean there aren't 7 different genders who all play a part in producing a child?
45:50 <Nothing\> and said child can never be produced without all 7 genders
46:08 <Nothing\> you gotta tell me that rang bell
46:09 <Ampera> the 7 genders sounds like a shitty band
46:21 <Nothing\> lol i was referencing slaughterhouse 5
46:39 <Ampera> as with everything I ever do, I forgot it the moment I finished reading it
46:43 <Nothing\> remember how the trafamadorians said humans had no fewer than 7 genders which all play a part in the conception of a child
46:52 <Nothing\> *tralfamadorians
47:01 <Ampera> I believe so
47:03 <Ampera> in the human zoo
47:07 <Nothing\> yup
47:17 <Ampera> that was a delightfully weird book
47:21 <Nothing\> lol i just remember the part where billy gets up and takes a leak
47:28 <Nothing\> then it says "and the crowd went wild"
47:34 <Nothing\> like it was the greatest thing he ever did
47:54 <Nothing\> damn i've gotta read that again
48:00 <Ampera> I think my greatest fear right now is never being able to truly make a permanent decision
48:15 <Nothing\> have you ever read cat's cradle? I sorta got into that one but got sidetracked with something else
48:16 <Ampera> not that I will ever not be somewhat conflicted, but whatever I do, I need to be sure I won't tear myself apart for it in the future
48:32 <Ampera> I don't read many books, slaughterhouse 5 was an exception because I was in school and always had time between classes
48:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, you're always going to second guess yourself when it comes to making decisions which are permanent
48:54 <Nothing\> at least if you're neurotic
49:06 <Ampera> The problem is not making the decision, it's after I have made it
49:19 <Nothing\> yeah, you wonder if it was the right one
49:25 <Ampera> and what's worse, is this is almost a decision that makes itself. Once I transition, there is no way back, but there is no equivalent for not transitioning
49:46 <Ampera> I think if I accomplish what I've desired in a good enough way, I won't have many regrets
50:11 <Nothing\> you mean with the results you were expecting
50:15 <Nothing\> or hoping for
50:28 <Ampera> many of my doubts and anxieties have faded, perhaps out of desperation, perhaps out of a stroke of realism
50:51 <Ampera> Hopes can be boundless, expectations can be skewed. My only hope is that I end up well at the end of this
51:19 <Nothing\> i think it's possible that once you started the HRT and perhaps noticing the changes it started causing it sorta hit home just what you were doing in a more tangible way than you've ever been faced with
51:29 <Ampera> Not really
51:36 <Nothing\> and it sorta made it more "real" to you. Made you realize the gravity of the decision.
51:38 <Ampera> The HRT started a clock, because I still had a ticket out
51:47 <Ampera> I could always stop taking the drugs before effects became permanent
51:56 <Nothing\> ah i see
52:09 <Ampera> but it was the stress of running out that timer and still having conflict within me that drove me to find an escape route
52:41 <Ampera> I think Christmas is what broke me in general.
52:42 <Nothing\> tbh i think if you do decide to transition, it might be wise to give it a few years and let your body finish developing
53:04 <Ampera> I don't really believe so.
53:09 <Nothing\> i mean, i don't wanna patronize you for your age or anything, but people do continue to develop physically into their mid-20s. You don't wanna screw with that.
53:20 <Ampera> I'm already screwing with it no matter what
53:36 <Ampera> and my life right now is defined too much about what will eventually happen, part of the disease is the stress that comes with it
53:39 <Nothing\> oh absolutely, i'm just talking about mitigating possible side effects
53:43 <Ampera> and part of the cure is being on the other side of it
53:56 <Ampera> There is always a risk.
54:01 <Nothing\> but it doesn't sound like you're too keen on transitioning anymore so i don't think we have to worry about that.
54:11 <Ampera> ?
54:14 <Ampera> I've decided to
54:37 <Nothing\> oh, you have? i thought i remembered you saying a few days to a few weeks ago that you decidide against it
54:40 <Ampera> The cogs are in motion more than they were before, and I've started moving myself mentally into doing it.
54:52 <Nothing\> ah i see
54:53 <Ampera> yes, that was the subject of this conversation
55:05 <Ampera> perhaps my fault for not giving adequate context, I've been regretting that decision
55:08 <Nothing\> sorry, my mind's not all there, obviously.
55:17 <Nothing\> i'm also frazzled from the emotions :P
55:29 <Ampera> ultimately I'm terrified of missing out on life, and I think the only way for me to experience life in a way that I can actually feel it and enjoy it is to transition
56:59 <Nothing\> you also have to get out of the house and get out there. I mean I dunno how much you go out besides work, but frankly I spend every waking moment in this chair in front of the tv
57:12 <Nothing\> it's my "safe" spot if you can relate
57:22 <Ampera> It'll happen eventually. It's hard to explain my strategy, and how and why I am doing things
57:32 <Ampera> my decisions are made with me in mind, in the words and sensations of my mind
57:50 <Ampera> oh nice, I found my stapler
57:56 <Ampera> it was right infront of my on my desk
58:02 <K> why does this feel like i've read this once before?
58:10 <Nothing\> you know what Ampera, the only person you need to explain your strategy to is yourself
58:15 <Ampera> K, this is a rerun, tune to a different channel :P
58:20 <Nothing\> lol
58:28 <Ampera> Nothing\, must I? I hate that guy.
58:29 <rust_collector> K because in english, they only have that many letters
58:30 <coppice> K: what are you reading about? Deja vu?
58:36 <K> no srsly, dejavu is strong
58:40 <K> brrrr
59:00 <rust_collector> well, good night. I am going to work
59:01 <Ampera> dejavu is an alright font I guess
59:01 <Nothing\> Ampera, btw thanks for the talk, it really has helped. And considering this is the first time i've reached out to a friend in years i'm extremely grateful for it.
59:28 <Ampera> Nothing\, as I said, I'm not a good friend, I'm just very bad at pissing you off.
59:39 <Nothing\> you're an amazing friend and i'm lucky to have you in my life
59:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, but you are
00:00 <Ampera> pissing you off?
00:00 <Ampera> good
00:05 <Ampera> then I'm not as bad as I thought I was
00:15 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
00:44 <Nothing\> you're not judgemental, you're always willing to listen, you're wise beyond your years, one of the most rational and level headed people i've ever known, and on top of all of that you're the first friend i've had in about 25 years that hasn't done drugs
00:57 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera tight <3
01:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, imo those are the makings of an amazing friend
01:32 <Ampera> well I guess if I want to get better, I need to start judging, stop listening, forget what I know, be irrational and eccentric, and start doing drugs.
01:49 <Nothing\> now you're on the trolly lol
01:54 <Ampera> sounds like the life of a celebrity to be honest
02:16 <Nothing\> it pretty much is the life of any upper class white bread type
02:29 <Ampera> mmm, white bread
02:34 <Nothing\> oh i know
02:40 <Ampera> I wanted crispbread at the store and they had none :/
02:41 <Nothing\> it's like one of the few foods i've been able to stomach
02:44 <Ampera> I really like that with some liverwurst
02:50 <Nothing\> oh yeah, one silver lining to all of this
03:05 <Nothing\> despite the stress and everything, i still haven't smoked any pot or shatter or anything
03:08 <Nothing\> don't even want to
03:12 <Ampera> 10/10
03:14 <coppice> Ampera: was that supposed to be a joke? I like rye humour
03:16 <Nothing\> even though i've got plenty around
03:26 <Nothing\> coppice, lol
03:40 <Nothing\> my mom's always getting rye bread. It's dat German blood
03:57 <Nothing\> i don't mind rye as long as it's fresh
03:59 <Ampera> coppice, I tried to make one, at yeast.
04:22 <Ampera> it might have been a bit soft in the center though
04:37 <Ampera> my wit's a bit crusty these days
04:52 <Ampera> but hopefully I can still get a rise out of people
05:16 <Nothing\> you know there's a fungal parasite that grows on rye called ergot which produces a chemical similar to LSD
05:22 <Ampera> yes
05:25 <Nothing\> but also a crapton of toxins which caused ergotism
05:31 <Ampera> yes
05:50 <Ampera> samonella on youtube did a video all about it
05:59 <Nothing\> there are also a few plants which produce LSD type compounds, morning glories and Hawaiian baby woodrose
06:10 <Nothing\> ah, never heard of that channel
06:37 <Nothing\> except, i tried morning glory seeds as a teenager. It's not fun at all.
06:55 <Nothing\> for one thing you have to eat like 300 friggin seeds that taste abosolutely awful
07:05 <Nothing\> and it doesn't even feel good. just feels like a fever dream
07:23 <coppice> what do morning glory seeds do? we eat a lot of morning glory when we can find it
07:28 <Ampera> do you prefer nightmares, dreams, or an absence of either?
07:42 <Nothing\> you've gotta wonder what evolutionary advantage producing such a compound would have for a plant, though
07:51 <Nothing\> i'd prefer dreams
07:56 <Ampera> I love my own nightmares
07:59 <Ampera> I'm sad I don't get many
08:18 <Nothing\> i used to take seroquel and chantix, both of which increase the amount you dream each night
08:32 <Nothing\> as a result i was having 5-8 dreams a night i could recall
08:32 <Ampera> I want some now
08:43 <Nothing\> i would become lucid at least once a week
08:46 <Nothing\> it was awesome
08:58 <coppice> Nothing\: when you look at things like cordyceps you realise that you have to look long and hard to figure out the biological advantage of some things
09:04 <Ampera> the only drug I really take too much of is calcium carbonate
09:32 <Nothing\> coppice, no no i meant with morning glories and Hawaiian baby woodrose. Which are just vines.
10:20 <coppice> fried chillied morning glory might be my favourite veggie
10:30 <Nothing\> anyway i think i'm gonna play some gta now that i'm feeling better
11:02 <Ampera> have fun
11:05 <Ampera> I'll go back to writing tests :P
11:06 <Nothing\> thanks again Ampera. seriously words can't even begin to explain how much i appreciate you talking to me
11:13 <Ampera> np
11:20 <Nothing\> take care buddy. <3
11:23 <Ampera> ciao
30:16 <Polesch> Any reason why you're taking calcium carbonate over PPIs?
30:50 <Ampera> Polesch, because, as my mom had to experience, PPIs have extreme withdrawals
32:05 <Ampera> What I do take in addition to the calcium carbonate is famotidine inside tablets which have calcium carbonate and magnesium hydroxide
32:36 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/n7xaEGFoTaM43ekq7
32:49 <Ampera> hsn, translation?
33:36 <hsn> Its dumb ,
33:36 <hsn> Trump: i better go and plant the trees
33:49 <hsn> The garden
34:29 <hsn> Wtf with bitcoin lol
34:44 <Ampera> did its bubble burst again?
34:59 <hsn> 40k
35:21 <Ampera> bitcoin is totally a good currency guys
35:46 <Ampera> there are companies who have stocks with more stability than bitcoin
36:31 <hsn> u would want to invest in non stable if u want high risk
37:21 <Ampera> the issue is the vast majority, if not all of this value is exchange value
37:35 <Ampera> purchasing power is almost non existent, with practically no legitimate industrial base for bitcoin
38:09 <Ampera> so yeah, it's fun for kiddies to get some wallets and have fun on a rollercoaster, some guys are broke, some guys are richer, but in no way is bitcoin a good currency
38:17 <Ampera> it's a stock without a company to back it
39:01 <hsn> Who owns linux
39:14 <Ampera> Linus Torvalds owns the trademark
39:24 <hsn> As company?
39:30 <Ampera> I said trademark
39:46 <hsn> I mean who owns it as company
39:50 <Ampera> code ownership would be an interesting thing to prove
40:03 <Ampera> nobody, Linus Torvalds owns the Linux trademark as an individual
40:27 <hsn> But its wildly backed up by top companies .. u agree?
40:40 <hsn> Backed*
41:06 <Ampera> Sure, the code itself has many contributors, however I don't know who legally owns it.
41:13 <Ampera> Possibly Torvalds, possibly a company
41:55 <hsn> I mean .. its backed as project and it wont go down
42:32 <Ampera> you asked about ownership
42:54 <hsn> Well i think same with bit coin project
43:21 <Ampera> bitcoin is intentionally decentralized
44:07 <Ampera> the problem is there is almost nobody exchanging bitcoin for physical goods, almost all of its value comes from investors exchanging real money for bitcoins (or other crypto for bitcoins)
44:24 <hsn> Yes that i agree with u
44:37 <hsn> But i assume at some time it will be used
44:57 <hsn> Between corporations ..
44:59 <K> how much more time is needed?
45:03 <Ampera> It's unknown if it ever will
45:05 <K> it has been around for a while now
45:07 <hsn> 100 yeaes
45:12 <K> 100 yeasts!
45:14 <hsn> XD
45:24 <K> seems about right, ye
45:28 <K> yeast!
45:29 <Ampera> it's incredibly important for currencies to have stability, not only with exchange rates, but with purchasing power
45:47 <hsn> K im saying this to satisfy my self into buying it
46:19 <hsn> Ampera: at that point of time it would be stable dont u thimk?
46:30 <K> is stale stable?
46:51 <hsn> Bacteria
47:05 <Ampera> Considering there will eventually be a maximum quantity of bitcoin, it's not impossible, but like any product, it requires users to make it useful, in order to get users it must be userful
47:07 <Ampera> *useful
48:05 <hsn> Ampera:
48:06 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Jv2xtKR84mpWd7Y9
48:10 <Ampera> So far, bitcoin is a considerable net loss on society, considering how little legal trade in goods it facilitates, and how much power is required to maintain the far far more complicated transaction system
48:26 <hsn> U want some ? Send me 10k satoshis
48:27 <Ampera> chicken in hot dog buns with ranch?
48:41 <Ampera> sans the ranch, I could make some myself if I wanted to
49:07 <hsn> Its not ranch
49:19 <hsn> Shawarma chicken
49:19 <Ampera> ok, sans the jizz
50:27 <electrohead> lol
50:58 <electrohead> so, I go digging through my bin full of RF connectors, and of course, I don't have the connectors for what I need right now
51:16 <hsn> https://www.closetcooking.com/shawarma-sauce/
51:17 <electrohead> anyone else have that issue? fucking frustrating, lol
51:42 <hsn> electrohead: me
52:01 <hsn> I keep buying stuff that i will never need one day
52:10 <hsn> And when i need somthing
52:16 <hsn> I dont have it
52:22 <electrohead> heh, yeah I feel you
52:41 <electrohead> it's going to look stupid once I mount the antenna outside, without a feedline
52:43 <electrohead> :p
53:02 <electrohead> but, at least it will be mounted, and ready for the feedline to be installed
56:44 <hsn> Feedline is coax?
57:56 <electrohead> yeah
58:02 <electrohead> installing a miniwhip antenna
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> aaddddadwadasdasdawdawdawdawdawdwadwa
40:10 <Halcyon> Morning all
40:12 <Halcyon> *yawn*
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43:32 * Ampera attack-hugs Halcyon 
43:46 <Halcyon> :)
43:52 <Halcyon> I don't wanna go to work
43:55 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
44:02 <Halcyon> I'm OK, tired
44:04 <Ampera> you say that all the time
44:09 <Halcyon> Yep
44:23 <Halcyon> It's too early and it's raining outside. Perfect weather to be in bed.
44:37 <Ampera> would a phone call wake you up?
44:59 <Halcyon> Sure, I need to go finish getting ready.
45:06 <Halcyon> I'll call you on signal in about 10-15
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48:10 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing?
50:05 <ThunderSqueak> Good, still looking for work, had a terrible interview yesterday. One of the people there made a comment after the interview and said "I think you are so educated they had no clue what to ask and started asking BS questions"
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50:52 <Ampera> I'm not sure if I'd want management that was smarter or stupider than I.
51:15 <Ampera> as it rests, my manager has more experience than I, though surprisingly not by too much
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07:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, did you fall asleep?
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51:32 <arch> T3sl4, ITS WORKING, ITS WORKINGGGG
51:47 * T3sl4 twirls his pinky finger
52:02 <arch> primary side vout is a solid 5.03V, secondary side outputs 7.6V with no load on the primary
52:11 <arch> but with a load, it outputs 10V as expected
52:51 <arch> woops never mind
52:59 <arch> it's actually outputting 13V no load...huh
53:04 <arch> drops to 10V under load
53:24 <arch> my guess is the stray inductance due to imperfect coupling is adding the extra voltage under no load conditions
53:36 <arch> i have not probed the diode ringing yet, let me do that
55:21 <arch> whoooaa niiice. i noticed my LED lamp runs much more efficiently at the 10V input as opposed to 5V input, since it boosts up the voltage to 20V :D
55:24 <arch> this is so cool
55:37 <arch> the coupling factor is pretty damn good
57:12 <Nothing\> weird
58:28 <arch> what
58:44 <Nothing\> i just made this circuit where i can control the 3 terminals of an RGB LED using 10k pots as voltage dividers and having a 1k resistor going from each of the 3 pots to the corresponding pin on the LED
59:03 <Nothing\> double checked and triple checked for shorts
59:14 <Nothing\> but it still started smoking before long
59:28 <arch> dude, bad idea
59:36 <Nothing\> huh?
59:41 <Nothing\> why's that?
59:46 <arch> you cant use dividers for such higher powers
59:54 <Nothing\> it wasn't high
00:09 <Nothing\> they weren't drawing much more than 10-20ma per
00:15 <arch> o i thought you were lighting up an LED string
00:16 <Nothing\> at 9v
00:23 <Nothing\> nah, just a single RGB led
00:35 <Nothing\> that's why it's so confusing
00:55 <Nothing\> there's gotta be something i'm missing here
00:57 <arch> (9V - 3V) * 0.02 --> .12W, that's pretty big for a small pot
01:32 <Nothing\> that's .02 max, but with a 1k resistor i doubt it's even above 10ma
01:45 <Nothing\> i htink i got 12ma from my math
02:13 <Nothing\> coulda been the pots smoking
02:32 <Nothing\> i dunno i'm gonna simulate it in circuitmod and see if i can notice anything fishy
02:46 <arch> what a world we live in. pots smoke you, just like in mother russia
03:08 <Nothing\> lucky for me i have an overabundance of POTs
03:45 <Nothing\> a while ago for some reason i picked up a 10 pack of 5k, 10k, i think 20k, 50k and 100k pots each
04:25 <Nothing\> which for someone who never solders anything, is a lot
04:39 <electrohead> so ok, one of my antenna had water within the pvc pipe; took it apart, got everything dry, antenna is good to go (nothing is fried). however, I shot resistance on the feedline, disconnected from everything, and from pin to shell, I get a high resistance of around 3 Mohm, and starts to climb.
04:41 <Nothing\> but i'm getting sick of the shoddy connections i get on breadboards
05:13 <electrohead> technically, would that be an indicator of water in the connector? it doesn't seem wet, though
05:18 <Nothing\> half of mine are a few years old so the power rails are really touchy. You just tap the wire wrong and you lose power
05:49 <Nothing\> yikes
06:01 <Nothing\> can't say i know much about RF but that sure doesn't sound right
06:27 <electrohead> I didn't use this J-pole in some time, so no equipment was at risk
06:42 <Nothing\> that's good
06:48 <electrohead> yeah for sure, lol
07:40 <Nothing\> speaking of RF, i've been wanting to make a foxhole radio for some time, but 1 don't have a convenient place in my house to ground circuits that's not an outlet and 2, apparently you need like an 80 foot antenna just to pick anything up
07:49 <Nothing\> ie just an 80 foot length of wire
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08:44 <Nothing\> and i'm pretty sure using outlets as grounding points for hobby circuits is a no-no
09:16 <Nothing\> that reminds me, i should invest in a ground strap
09:39 <electrohead> for HF and such?
11:06 <electrohead> there are different types of antenna you can use; the antenna I just put up today is this - http://dl1dbc.net/SAQ/miniwhip.html
11:15 <electrohead> you can also use a loop antenna
11:35 <electrohead> for a good earth ground, purchase a ground rod
12:13 <T3sl4> electrohead, seems suspicious, yeah
12:41 <T3sl4> could bring the cable inside and dry it out? then wrap the connectors with sealant or something? idk
13:05 <electrohead> I'll need to snip all of the damn zip ties, guh
14:22 <electrohead> T3sl4: well, being coaxial cable, would it technically have a high resistance regardless, between pin and shell?
14:43 <T3sl4> no?
15:04 <T3sl4> coax is a great insulator, in and of itself
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16:45 <Nothing\> weird/cool
16:59 <Nothing\> i just found an analog multimeter on aliexpress for $2.83
17:06 <Nothing\> plus like a buck and change shipping
17:48 <Nothing\> i wouldn't expect high accuracy, but i really just want one so i can get a rough idea if there's an alternating current or not
18:28 <Nothing\> lol one of the pics shows the meter plugged into a wall socket. I somehow don't think they would be CAT II rated
20:00 <Ampera> my checks came in
20:08 <Ampera> everything looks right on them
21:35 <electrohead> T3sl4: ok, yeah, sorry. just confused right now about this damn cable
21:58 <electrohead> fuck, have to bring it inside then
22:12 <electrohead> damn it, all of those zip ties >.<
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24:47 <electrohead> fuck it, for now, it's staying disconnecting, and outside
25:12 <electrohead> sun is out currently, not raining or anything
25:29 <electrohead> so, it just may (hopefully) dry out and be good
27:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, cheque
28:14 <Ampera> Nothing\, you're jamming for a banning there
30:11 <Nothing\> that's racist
30:48 <Nothing\> you're violating my right to keep my cultural heritage alive and practice it freely
31:05 <Nothing\> cuz everyone knows rights apply to irc servers, too
31:47 <Nothing\> lol i remember being a oper on old server i used to go on, and people actually did have that mentality
32:23 <Nothing\> like if i told them not to talk about something that was against the rules, like linking to known drug suppliers, they'd complain about their rights and shit
33:07 <Nothing\> i'd just tell them "buddy, this is a private server. You have no right to use this, it is a privilege which can be revoked at any time at the adminstration's discretion."
33:41 <Nothing\> which should really have been in the MOTD but it's not like anyone reads those anyways
34:51 <Ampera> just ban them anyways
35:02 <Ampera> they can complain to the gline/zline/whateverline
37:37 <Nothing\> well, that place was a lot more democratic than most servers
37:55 <Nothing\> for permabans, usually opers would meet in a private channel and vote on it
38:04 <Nothing\> unless it was egregious
39:18 <Nothing\> linking to dealers was one of the few rules we had where we could permaban at our own discretion, especially since for some reason they allowed minors to come onto the server
40:04 <Nothing\> the staff was always worried some idiot would OD and the parents would find out they got the link for their dealer from our server, then there'd be hell to pay.
40:32 <Nothing\> or that by giving these dealers public attention, you risked having them shut down
41:01 <Nothing\> which i've personally seen happen to many dealers
41:13 <Nothing\> especially during the infamous "operation web tryp" by the DEA
41:18 <Ampera> and all just for playing a game of cards
41:20 <Ampera> man
41:43 <Nothing\> a few of my friends were strongarmed into testifying against them before a grand jury
42:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, i know man, those dealers are just trying to make an honest living
42:33 <Nothing\> and lil blackjack never hurt nobody
43:38 <Ampera> drug dealers however should be executed via torture
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59:00 <electrohead> T3sl4: alright, just checked resistance, it's now reading around 5 Mohm and climbs, versus the 3.xx Mohm earlier
59:07 <electrohead> so, apparently water got into the line, then
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59:08 <electrohead> alright, brought it inside
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47:36 <MrMobodies> Hello
49:42 * T3sl4 gives MrMobodies a bowl of cheesy mac
50:23 <MRiddickW> I brought some hatch chiles.
54:31 <T3sl4> sounds good
01:11 <MrMobodies> I am looking at the G6 ML350. Very annoyed to find out why i could find ILO2
01:23 <MrMobodies> In the bios even with defaults the messages as hidden
01:35 <MrMobodies> and by the time I press a key it has already posted
02:00 <MrMobodies> it had ILO2 advanced entitlement (for the vitual cdrom) but lost that now
02:17 <electrohead> T3sl4: hey, the connector at the j-pole antenna was to blame, just cut it off, and measured resistance on it. checked bad
02:22 <MrMobodies> next time I'd be sure to check that the post flash is turned off and messages are not hidden
02:24 <electrohead> I cut both, though, just to be sure
03:13 <MrMobodies> is it me or is it a silly idea to hide post messages on a server?
03:34 <T3sl4> ah
03:38 <MrMobodies> I know it doesn't do it on the G8 ML350 that I have here
04:40 <MrMobodies> wonderful, keys are only a couple of pound: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164627215773
05:27 <MrMobodies> maybe they removed the option as obscuring messages like that can cause problems. It does say press any key to view messages but all I see is the raid controller.
05:45 <MrMobodies> I caught it narrowly when I pressed the key to view them quickly
07:20 <MrMobodies> there is a problem with the Areca controller where i have press a key but I'll see in a minute
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18:06 <MrMobodies> yep the post messages were hidden on the G8 ML350, and now the Areca controller no longer hangs with a black screen until a key is pressed.
20:27 <steve30> hi
20:48 <electrohead> hey
20:49 * T3sl4 meows at steve30
21:04 <steve30> meow
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32:48 <rust_collector> re-morning!
34:12 <T3sl4> d'evening
34:51 <rust_collector> dum dum dum dumdidum dumdidum. HeY!1!
39:30 <rust_collector> i found some neat "project boxes" 4-3/4" X 1-1/16" X 1-3/4". aluminum square tubing with pcb slots inside.
39:50 <rust_collector> I have no idea about what i should put in them
40:48 <T3sl4> it looks so weird seeing you write inches
41:01 <rust_collector> ok... sorry if I did it wrong
41:32 <T3sl4> heh
41:55 <T3sl4> you did write it correctly :P
42:05 <rust_collector> I like putting a hyphen in there, as a space just looks wrong, imo
42:07 <T3sl4> i mean using inches at all
42:12 <rust_collector> right
42:20 <rust_collector> I can do that more, I guess
42:56 <T3sl4> the using of inches, or the not using?
43:20 <rust_collector> uhm. whatever you prefer mr sir
43:47 <T3sl4> just use whatever feels natural :P
44:01 <electrohead> that's what she said
44:03 * electrohead runs
44:42 * T3sl4 measures electrohead's travel in femtoparsecs per fortnight
45:32 <rust_collector> i am not completely lost when I see inches.... I grew up watching grandpa doing things. he did a lot in inches
46:28 <T3sl4> ah
46:49 <rust_collector> that took forever. an inch is not very long
49:30 <rust_collector> anyway, these boxes are from a tracking and navigation thing we have in the trucks at work. some arm7 thing, running ubuntu
50:19 <rust_collector> i am poking a bit at the loonix install in it. i hope they knew what they were doing, so maybe I can pick up a thing or two
50:42 <T3sl4> neat
50:46 <T3sl4> hackable?
51:52 <rust_collector> maybe?
53:16 <electrohead> make it play doom?
54:07 <rust_collector> it has an audio out, usb, usb, and a dvi, for a little screen. 2 rj45s, which I don't really know what they use for, gps and other random input
54:20 <T3sl4> oh wow, maybe it will run doom
54:41 <rust_collector> it is possible
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03:10 <rust_collector> I really really really really like my air fryer, after I put oil in it
06:45 * steve30 makes extra coffee
07:15 <rust_collector> hey mr steve. did you have a nice day of borning?
07:40 <rust_collector> (it is ok, I am foreigner, so I can write crap like that)
07:46 <steve30> ok...
08:05 <rust_collector> ok is ok
12:28 * steve30 makes a youtube video
22:24 <electrohead> cable is fixed, yay
22:31 <rust_collector> now that you people are out of the eu, I guess you should ban metric
22:45 <rust_collector> electrohead, eh?
23:24 <electrohead> ahh, you weren't around earlier; was installing a new antenna, and decided to check my J-pole antenna
23:33 <electrohead> took the pvc cap off the bottom, and water poured out
23:50 <rust_collector> hmmm, that is not ideal, maybe
23:51 <electrohead> shot resistance on the feedline, and was bad, ended up having to replace the connectors
24:12 <electrohead> I glued the top caps to both that antenna, and then the miniwhip antenna
24:20 <electrohead> (both are in PVC piping)
24:54 <electrohead> the bottom caps, I'm using epoxy on the seam, so if I ever need to work on the actual antenna, I can just pry the epoxy off, and will be able to remove the antenna
29:28 <rust_collector> http://pontoondock.nfshost.com/combined-age-of-rolling-stones.php
29:41 <rust_collector> so, I just figured out why they designed the internet
38:26 <arch> hmm i am seeing some larger pulse widths mixed in with uniform length pulse widths, at the switch node. does this mean i have a feedback loop comp problem?
42:06 <arch> i dont think this buck reg has eco-mode, so it's surprising. here's what i mean. this is the waveform at the switch node: https://i.imgur.com/NainjZo.png
45:27 <arch> my conv is operating in CCM mode too, so even more surprising...im willing to bet it's something with loop comp
47:53 <arch> another problem i found is, if i short the primary, conv correctly goes into foldback and current draw is quite low. but if i short the secondary, the imperfect coupling leave enough inductance that the primary side continues to work, but the diode on the secondary takes a beating
53:11 <arch> alright, we will find out shortly...just hooked up my transient load. transient response waveform in 5 mins
57:38 <arch> jep, transient response is trashy
59:21 <T3sl4> it's singing, arch
00:39 <arch> is that the technical term?
03:02 <arch> transient load response. 1A static load + 1A transient: https://imgur.com/a/AYGvtmx
03:20 <arch> seems quite slow
03:24 <T3sl4> steve30, https://www.reddit.com/r/StuffOnCats/comments/ksmfvw/was_curious_if_beans_would_care_if_i_piled/
03:44 <T3sl4> arch, noisy fuck
04:04 <steve30> meow :)
04:05 <T3sl4> did you use like 10x too much inductance and it's just fucking apeshit into the chaos region?
04:34 <arch> lol...2x inductance. it wants 4.7uH inductor, i used 10uF coupled inductor
05:14 <arch> eoops uH
05:18 <steve30> I'm just uploading a video about my kitten-size-CRTs
05:55 <arch> you know what, i will retry this experiment once more when i get 4.7uH coupled inductors
06:25 <arch> maybe these plug-and-chug buck regs don't work properly unless you stay within a really tight tolerance area
07:56 <T3sl4> you didn't pay attention to the built in slope comp factor and now you know why they give a formula
09:40 <arch> this specific buck reg datasheet does not come with slope comp formula, but i did pop in the values for the loop comp R and C after following along to their eqns
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15:51 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.redd.it/bwo0ed0bzw961.jpg
16:13 <arch> they really only have 2 eqns: https://i.imgur.com/SaiIAMx.png ; i subbed in 50kHz (1/10th of 500khz), 5V out, 31uF, 220uA/V, 6.68A/V, and that gave me 45.5kOhm --> used 47k r_comp; and for c_comp, subbed in 1.67Ohm, 31uF, and 47kOhm. that gave me c_comp 1.1nF --> used 1nF c_comp
16:29 <steve30> hehe
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17:27 <arch> BUT...and this is a big BUT...those two eqns probably only make sense IF the inductor value hasn't changed? i think...
19:56 <arch> goddamn fucking loop comp
20:03 * arch goes back to building COT converters
20:13 <arch> :3
20:43 <arch> you need to be a level 95 EE wizard to get this comp shit :D
24:06 <T3sl4> arch, it's not compensation
24:13 <T3sl4> the loop can't do shit about it
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31:43 <arch> how do you draw that conclusion? i do notice that it performs really badly in terms of ripple, even though i built a single-sided TPS562201 5V buck and that one had really clean outputs. i dont know what the bad ripple (noise?) is due to. my design is pretty clean imo: https://imgur.com/a/7cOIFu9
33:43 <arch> let me put aluminium foil underneath and solder it to the ground and then probe it lol
34:28 <arch> btw input ripple is 200mV at 12V in, nothing wrong there
34:33 <T3sl4> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3931582_Study_of_bifurcation_and_chaos_in_the_current-mode_controlled_buck-boost_DC-DC_converter you'll probably want to read this a few times to begin to understand it
35:23 <arch> o boy, here i go pirating research articles again :D
35:34 <T3sl4> pirating? that's the plain text o.o
35:52 <arch> doh
36:01 <arch> i had that website on my blacklist
36:10 <T3sl4> wat
36:26 <T3sl4> chaos is weird, and notoriously hard to work with, but the benefits of that hard work are showing that, from a high level view, there are a few ways chaos manifests, and in this case it's equivalent to the logistic map
36:51 <arch> starting to sound like some quantum physicist :D
36:53 <T3sl4> and, when you plot the width and sequence of pulses versus current setting, you get that bifurcation diagram, it's quite pretty
37:06 <T3sl4> nah, no need for QM here
37:08 <arch> i will read through it
38:04 <T3sl4> i wonder what quantum chaos looks like. same thing i suppose, just in terms of wave functions. wonder what that does to energy levels though. maybe such systems can't have simple energy levels? or maybe they do and ordinary examples are like multi-electron atoms, shrug
39:11 <arch> oh, another good news: the ringing frequency across that secondary side diode is pretty high, so the coupling factor must be really good. at 12V input, i saw a Vpp of ~12V across the diode
39:45 <arch> so the secondary output is 10V, but the Vpp across the diode is about 12Vpp
40:02 <arch> and ring freq in the few MHz, didn't bother looking too closely
40:18 <T3sl4> few meg isn't very high
40:31 <arch> bah, ok let me capture the waveform to confirm
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44:01 <arch> https://imgur.com/a/fcNTzJn
44:04 <arch> ~25MHz
45:57 <T3sl4> 26 is more than a few
46:05 <T3sl4> https://preview.redd.it/hi8kln2j8y961.jpg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb0b91ea31227871f7c765a951fd81cc943ad405
46:21 <arch> hey neat, so vpp of 20V across the diode, right...and plus the 12V input voltage. so i could get away with a 40V diode without snubbing
46:39 <arch> or 60V to have a bit more headroom
46:49 <T3sl4> right
46:55 <arch> :3
47:42 <arch> but, i suppose i really should be snubbing them as best practice? i dont wanna build chinesium quality builds as i progress through the noob days. the plan is gradual improvements
47:59 <T3sl4> good practice if nothing else
48:14 <T3sl4> should be able to solve LL from that waveform and diode CJO
52:51 <arch> f = 1/(2*pi*radical[LC]); plug in 26MHz, use capacitance value of 40pF, then solve for L? https://i.imgur.com/kpe4vMx.png
56:49 <arch> that gives me an L of 937nH, seems a bit high
57:43 <arch> 10% leakage inductance seems too high. maybe the capacitance value should be for a diode voltage of the 20V+12V, so 32V
57:51 <arch> diode capacitance i mean
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02:02 <hsn> Good morning folks
02:07 <hsn> I love u all
05:36 <T3sl4> hi hsn
06:44 <steve30> hi
12:49 <T3sl4> hi steve30
15:08 <hsn> O/
23:05 <steve30> T3sl4, here are my kitten CRTs
23:05 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4JqEt3LIZg
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25:07 <T3sl4> a veritable colony of kittens
46:55 <Halcyon> Evening all
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13:17 <T3sl4> Halcyon, https://imgur.com/gallery/r5CAAGc
15:04 <Halcyon> So many birbs
22:37 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/GvyzHn1
31:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
34:30 <Halcyon> :)
34:56 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
35:02 <Ampera> did you decide to stop being so tiring?
35:35 <Halcyon> Kind of
35:40 <Halcyon> I also bought a new printer
35:51 <Ampera> what sort
36:00 <Halcyon> Brother HL-L8260CDW
36:28 <steve30> yay kitties
37:00 <Ampera> ah, a color LED printer
37:08 <Halcyon> Yessum
37:10 <Ampera> we had one which was always a pain in the ass, from Brother too
37:19 <Ampera> are their business SKUs any better?
37:40 <Halcyon> *shrug* my current brother printer has lasted about 12+ years so far and it was a consumer model
37:45 <steve30> i just had the rest of yesterday's steak pie
38:19 <T3sl4> my L2540DW is easy enough to use
38:21 <Ampera> ours lasted probably around 8 and broke when it literally refused to allow us to insert toner
38:37 <Ampera> the laws of physics or something changed within that printer and no matter what was done, none of the toner cartridges would ever fit again
38:50 <Ampera> so we tossed it and bought an epson ecojet which has been quite nice
39:06 <Halcyon> Heh
39:59 <Ampera> it annoys me they keep calling LED printers "laser" printers
40:29 <Ampera> they're not remotely interchangeable with different advantages and drawbacks
40:39 * steve30 collapses on to Halcyon 
40:50 * Ampera adds to the dogpile
42:15 <Ampera> last day of work for the week, thankfully
42:54 <Halcyon> Although I'm trying to work out why it's not printing from Linux
42:58 <K> hello bread
43:03 <Ampera> do you have CUPS installed?
43:08 <Halcyon> Yessup
43:14 <Ampera> do you have the driver for CUPS installed
43:16 <Halcyon> I use it for 2 other printers
43:21 <Halcyon> I have the PPD file from Brother?
43:28 <Ampera> should work
43:39 <Halcyon> Nope, nothing.
43:43 <Ampera> only other possibility is CUPS often defaults to hostnames when detecting printers, use the IP instead
43:56 <Halcyon> The IP is dynamic, I prefer hostnames
44:08 <Ampera> give it a static assignment, CUPS has often not worked for me with hostnames
44:13 <Ampera> I think even with a DNS server
44:17 <Halcyon> I've always used hostnames
44:25 <Ampera> I've always used IPs
44:26 <Halcyon> I don't see the point in giving printers static IP addresses
44:33 <Ampera> doesn't move around?
44:38 <Ampera> I always know which IP my printer is on?
45:17 <Halcyon> I just tried it with IP, still nothing
45:29 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
45:35 <Ampera> is it the right protocol?
45:44 <Halcyon> Raw / JetDirect, yes
45:58 <Ampera> no, I mean within protocol identifier in the address
46:04 <Halcyon> ?
46:06 <Halcyon> I have socket://LSN78PRNBRL8260:9100
46:15 <Ampera> standby
46:24 <Halcyon> It's the same as my other printer
46:49 <Halcyon> Which does print, so something funny is going on with this one
47:33 <Ampera> my printers (even the brother one) have always used a different protocol identifier
48:12 <Ampera> try lpd
48:22 <Ampera> so lpd://
48:37 <Halcyon> Same port?
48:49 <Ampera> I have never given my printers ports
48:56 <Ampera> you can try it, or simply don't give it a port
49:11 <Ampera> my printer seems to have configured itself to port 515
51:01 <Halcyon> Yeh that doesn't work
51:04 <Halcyon> Maybe it's the driver *shrug*
51:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Tree limbs in danger of falling, so let's drill holes in them and put bolts. Genius. https://t.co/k5r8UM60I9
51:37 <Ampera> I've never used lpd files, but you're using a looney tunes distro, so I can't help you there
52:23 <Halcyon> You know this is basically Arch with a GUI right?
53:15 <Halcyon> I just tried a random print driver for another model and it seems to work
53:35 <Ampera> I didn't even know you had manjaro
53:42 <Ampera> you distro hop every five minutes
53:48 <Ampera> so I thought it was something redhat based like last time
54:00 <Halcyon> I've had Manjaro for months
54:12 <Ampera> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/brother-hl-l8260cdw/
54:23 <Ampera> for future reference, this is the semi-official way you're supposed to install CUPS drivers on arch
54:32 <Ampera> it's always worked for me, and will put the correct files where they need to be
54:56 <Ampera> there is also usually a comments section with helpful details people have found
55:22 <Halcyon> OK, what am I supposed to do with that?
55:36 <Ampera> install it?
55:41 <Ampera> it's an AUR package...
55:57 <Halcyon> How?
56:02 <Halcyon> I've never installed anything from AUR
56:08 <Ampera> :P
56:27 <Ampera> since this is "arch with a GUI", I'll give you verbatim instructions for arch
56:38 <Ampera> ensure you have base-devel go, and git installed
56:55 <Ampera> in some directory, do git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/yay.git
57:10 <Ampera> cd into that directory, makepkg --install --skippgpinstall
57:25 <Ampera> that'll install what's called an AUR helper, which is a frontend to makepkg and pacman
57:50 <Ampera> it in itself is an AUR package, so that's how you do it the manual way (besides pgp checks, which I've instructed you to skip)
58:05 <Ampera> then, just do yay -S brother-hl-l8260cdw
58:13 <Ampera> follow instructions, most defaults are fine, and it'll build and install
58:28 <Ampera> AUR helpers are standard equipment on all my arch machines
02:09 <Halcyon> Okies, seems to be working
02:21 <Ampera> you got the AUR driver installed?
02:24 <Halcyon> Oh YAY in colour too :P
02:25 <Halcyon> Yep
02:39 <Ampera> at least you're fast :P
02:49 <Halcyon> Now I can print my recipe and start dinner :P
03:49 <Halcyon> Back soon
04:23 * T3sl4 yay -hug Ampera
37:01 <steve30> Printing recipes sounds weird. I usually use handwritten recipes
39:26 <steve30> I assume the trendy thing to do these days is to use a tablet computer in the kitchen
52:05 <Halcyon> Yeh I tried that, you just end up getting food on it
53:23 <Halcyon> Also the only tablet I have runs Android 4 or something
58:41 <Ampera> I wonder if they have waterproof computer mice
58:48 <Ampera> and keyboards
59:02 <Halcyon> Keyboards yes, mice... probably?
59:05 <Ampera> would mean something like a VESA mount computer/display would be practical in a kitchen
00:56 <Halcyon> I want a hologram display that disappears when I don't need it :P
01:24 <Ampera> Transparent/translucent monitors exist.
01:28 <Ampera> they suck ass, but they exist
01:41 <Halcyon> I mean a real hologram
01:46 <Halcyon> That you can put your hand through
01:53 <Ampera> can put your hand through a sheet of glass too
03:40 <Halcyon> steve30: You might like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ite01f4LKjs
04:49 <Ampera> Halcyon, your street signs, actually, are remarkably similar to ours
04:56 <Halcyon> Yessum
04:59 <Ampera> I've never seen another nation's signage so similar, I don't even think Canada is as similar
05:06 <Halcyon> And I realised, the give way signs do point down
05:33 <Ampera> yeah, they're identical to our yield signs, save for the text
05:45 <Halcyon> Same practical application though?
05:59 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_the_United_States
06:23 <Ampera> I'm not 100% on the use of the yield sign, but I believe it means to yield to oncoming traffic or pedestrians
06:55 <Ampera> as the map shows, states do whatever they want for road signs pretty much
07:02 <Halcyon> *nod*
07:19 <Halcyon> Back soon
07:22 <Halcyon> Next door is here
21:55 <Halcyon> You see this one everywhere Ampera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Australia#/media/File:Australia_road_sign_W5-29.svg
22:27 <Ampera> we have a lot of those for deer
22:36 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Australia#/media/File:Australia_road_sign_W5-47.svg
22:39 <Ampera> unarguably, this is the best
24:07 <Halcyon> Koalas?
24:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you guys have HOV lanes there?
24:12 <Halcyon> Yeh those are common too
24:14 <Ampera> yeah koala bears
24:19 <Halcyon> HOV ?
24:23 <Ampera> high occupancy vehicles
24:31 <Halcyon> Yeh we call them Transit lanes
24:31 <Ampera> lanes where you're supposed to have 2 or more people in the car
24:43 <Halcyon> Marked either eith a T2 or T3 (minimum of 2 or 3)
24:58 <Halcyon> They aren't super common
25:21 <Ampera> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/MUTCD_R9-4.svg/1024px-MUTCD_R9-4.svg.png
25:24 <Ampera> what's this sign for
25:52 <Halcyon> No idea? Don't stick your thumb up someone's ass?
26:00 <Ampera> no hitchhiking
26:05 <Ampera> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/MUTCD_R9-3.svg/1024px-MUTCD_R9-3.svg.png
26:05 <Ampera> this?
26:35 <Halcyon> I think that's no pedestrians
26:40 <Ampera> indeed
26:42 <Halcyon> (Like on entrances to freeways)
27:00 <Halcyon> I have never ever seen a no hitchhiking sign
27:07 <Ampera> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/MUTCD_S1-1.svg/1024px-MUTCD_S1-1.svg.png
27:19 <Ampera> hitchhiking is illegal in most of the US
27:23 <Ampera> or much of it, rather
27:38 <Halcyon> I actually have no idea if it is here
27:44 <Halcyon> If it is, it's never enforced
27:55 <Ampera> that also means, technically, things like uber and lyft are very illegal
28:04 <Ampera> but it ultimately is dependent on jurisdiction
28:10 <Ampera> some don't enforce it at all
28:32 <Halcyon> They were hear early on, but the Government lifted the ban. Previously you had to have taxi number plates on your car to carry passengers as a commercial driver
28:40 <Halcyon> Those plates used to cost like $200,000
28:48 <Halcyon> *here
29:09 <Halcyon> The taxi industry got the shits because they had to pay huge fees but Uber drivers didn't
29:24 <Ampera> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/MUTCD-DE_W21-15-DE.svg/1024px-MUTCD-DE_W21-15-DE.svg.png
29:25 <Halcyon> But the ban was ultimately deemed anti-competitive
29:40 <Ampera> what does this sign mean
30:24 <Halcyon> I guess that would be used next to a blind child orphanage or something? I have no idea
30:29 <Ampera> it means speed up
31:04 <Ampera> some signs here have score charts on here, based on how many blind/deaf children you hit
31:16 <Ampera> they also give out prizes if you get a high enough score
32:07 <Halcyon> Hahah
32:10 <Halcyon> Anyway back soon again
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09:33 * Halcyon messes them up again
10:12 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
14:27 * steve30 wraps Halcyon up in duvet
15:29 <hsn> This worked https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIyUBwLhrTI/?igshid=1odau0tqpgzjx
15:50 <hsn> Oh crap armpera here .. shit he will see me
16:05 * Ampera bans hsn 
16:10 <hsn> Nooo
16:20 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o Ampera
16:22 <hsn> I ll set down like good little boy
17:25 <Ysjoelfir> rofl^^
17:33 * Ampera tackle-hugs Ysjoelfir 
17:37 <hsn> Who is chanop ..
17:54 <Ampera> hsn, the murderer of the last person who asked
17:55 <Ysjoelfir> chanop is our slave
18:07 <hsn> Is he real person?
18:09 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera
18:12 <hsn> He never speaks
18:15 <Ysjoelfir> nope
18:16 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir
18:19 <Ysjoelfir> he's a demon
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> I'm fine, you#?
18:32 <hsn> Chanop kill yourself
18:44 <hsn> He is not amperas for sure
19:05 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: did u see the instagram vodeo
19:24 <hsn> What a pick up xD
20:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes, I did. that was why I rofl'd :D
20:20 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, alright, I go to get passports tomorrow
20:53 <steve30> I've booked a doctors appointment for wednesday.
22:24 <Ysjoelfir> cool² :)
22:27 <Ysjoelfir> I'm making rice
22:38 <Ampera> I'm putting off doing annoying things like work
23:11 <steve30> Work eats into valuable coffee drinking time
29:10 <Ysjoelfir> *tea
29:36 * Ampera drinks some water
33:21 <hsn> Ampera i ve programming question for u
33:30 <Ampera> shoot
34:14 <hsn> I ve somthinng like client - server .. and there some procol between them .. command based
34:29 <Ampera> ok
35:14 <hsn> So these commands are getting recieved im a data structure and then there is one big (select case / if else) thingy to do action after receiving the commands
36:16 <hsn> I ve been learning oop .. seems like i should do something called (state pattern) to make the code cleaner
36:34 <Ampera> state pattern?
36:50 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/rXEYXi5ZeapWB44B6
37:08 <hsn> State design pattern
37:24 <Ampera> that picture means nothing to me, but looking on wikipedia
38:28 <hsn> Seems like i still wont know which (object to create) without a big switch case ..
39:05 <Ampera> looking at the wikipedia examples I understand the concept, but I'm not sure what the point is
40:17 <Ampera> ultimately, if/switch statements have been used for ages, and I still use it
40:39 <Ampera> make sure your code is clean, and that it performs as it should, but I absolutely cannot see how this improves code execution speed
41:10 <Ampera> it seems like it's just switching the pointer for an object variable around upon execution of a function in each object
41:19 <hsn> Yes thats true .. but many say using long switch isnt extendible or .. somehow goijg to create long code which they say not a great idea
42:46 <Ampera> depends on what you're doing, if you're just matching protocol commands to functions, you can do that easily with a key/value map with commands as keys and function delegates/pointers as values
43:07 <Ampera> then just iterate over it and match the best one. New commands and functions can be easily added, and you don't need a long conditional tree
44:02 <hsn> https://youtu.be/nnrOhb5UdRc
44:56 <hsn> Yes .. that looks good to me the iterate through mapped command with function poimter
45:46 <Ampera> I'm sure a state pattern is good for something, but I have no clue what that something is
45:55 <Ampera> as I've said before, every language to me is just C with more steps
46:51 <hsn> I might do this .. i should somehow either write my enum as 2d .. (cmd,fnc ptr) or Duplicate the enums and ptr to a list/array whatever
47:20 <hsn> Duplicate doesn't look good idea . As if i need to add new cmd i need to add it twice
47:29 <hsn> Two places
47:33 <Ampera> why are you using an enum at all if you already are using a list/map
48:02 <Ampera> the point of an enum is to eliminate magic number problems, if you're doing iteration over text commands, I'm not sure what an enum will do for you
48:15 <hsn> Originally i use enum .. cmds are 1 byte long
48:24 <Ampera> ah, so they're numeric telnet style commands
48:33 <hsn> Yes
48:34 <Ampera> I was thinking HTTP like where it's strings
48:55 <Ampera> in which case, simply have an enum for your commands, and then have a map linking each enum to a function pointer
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