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02:41 <K> you should be put in jail.
08:06 <Ampera> K, I would, but the machine is single root with no jails
08:08 <Ampera> so I can't
43:31 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
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00:18 * electrohead offers coffee
00:59 * Ysjoelfir offers tea
01:34 * rust_collector already has coffee
07:02 * Ysjoelfir adds tea to that
07:46 <K> tea mixed with cofee is horrendous, in my experience
07:58 <electrohead> yeah I can imagine so
08:06 <electrohead> but.. I'd still try it, just to say I tried it
08:13 <rust_collector> coke and coffee...yum yum
08:19 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno, try to avoid coffee
27:12 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
27:26 <rust_collector> coffee with bubbles is the worst thing
32:26 * Ysjoelfir adds some tapioca pearls to rust_collector 's coffee
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01:08 <K> topic pearls
01:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/DuVBsCpgEcw?t=299 does someone know which tune that is? I realy like that
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15:52 <rust_collector> I have no idea
32:23 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
32:36 <rust_collector> hey nonestuff
41:51 <Nothing\> heya rust_collector
41:54 <Nothing\> how ya doing?
42:16 <rust_collector> I have to pee a lot, but other than that, things are ok
42:31 <Nothing\> lol apparently my cat brought up a piece of foam that i use for holding chips, minus the chips, to my mom when she was in bed earlier today
42:37 <Nothing\> the chips are still yet to be found
42:56 <Nothing\> i'm just glad they weren't my 4029s, i love those things
43:01 <Nothing\> they're so versatile
43:11 <Nothing\> programmable up/down counter
44:17 <Nothing\> oh man, i watched this short documentary yesterday from the new yorker
44:29 <rust_collector> you just have to hope she did not eat them
44:49 <Nothing\> he, but yeah i woulda figured he'd choke if he tried to eat just one of them
44:53 <Watcher> i hope also
44:57 <Nothing\> i mean i couldn't even swallow a DIP16
45:06 <rust_collector> that would be an uncomfortable poop
45:10 <Nothing\> so i think it was one of the foam pieces i didn't have chips in
45:17 <Nothing\> cuz it was just regular foam, not ESD foam
45:26 <Nothing\> so i try not to keep my chips in those if i don't have to
45:53 <Nothing\> but the problem is, most of them are too big to fit in the drawers in my parts bin so i just keep them out in little boxes
46:30 <Nothing\> but anyways, this documentary i watched, this guy made these sort of electronic mirrors, right
46:58 <Nothing\> what he'd do is have a camera connected to a board with those... oh i dunno what they're called
48:05 <Nothing\> they use em at horse tracks, they're like a yellow or brightly colored circle or square attached to a solenoid where it either shows it face on if you want the display to show a bright pixel or it tilts if you want the display to show a dark pixel
48:12 <Nothing\> i hope you know what i'm talking about here
49:03 <Nothing\> but he has software that takes what the camera sees and displays it on these screens made up of like 20x10 of these things
49:18 <rust_collector> heh
49:29 <Nothing\> they were treating him like he was some great inventor
49:41 <Nothing\> he claimed he invented those kinds of displays with the flipping panels
49:50 <Nothing\> and acted so smug about how great his project was
49:54 <Nothing\> it uses a fucking arduino
50:01 <K> fucking!
50:06 <Nothing\> indeed
50:10 <rust_collector> nothing wrong with that
50:14 <Nothing\> not just an arduino, a FUCKING arduino
50:34 <Nothing\> rust_collector, to me it just screams amateur. but i mean if it gets the job done, sure.
50:47 <Nothing\> then they never addressed how unreliable those types of displays are
51:14 <Nothing\> i've seen other such displays in art galleries and usually within an hour they get several stuck "pixels"
51:43 <rust_collector> it is art. it is not supposed to "just work"
52:07 <Nothing\> i'll admit, i was never one to "get" art
52:19 <Nothing\> poetry is lost on me, much as i tried at one point to enjoy it
53:53 <rust_collector> yep. art and jazz music, and stuff. i do not get anything out of it.
54:17 <Nothing\> lol i just noticed the company that made these multimeter probes couldn't even be bothered to use black wire for the common wire
54:49 <Nothing\> it's black, with a red stripe exactly where they glued it together, so you can't see it except where it separates into the two separate wires
55:20 <Nothing\> i guess there's a premium on black wire
55:26 <rust_collector> yep
55:48 <Nothing\> actually, why isn't there a premium on black/red wire. you'd think with those being the most used colors they'd be the most expensive.
56:02 <Nothing\> and green
56:06 <rust_collector> the gamers use them for everything, so you can not see a damn thing inside their computers
56:19 <rust_collector> all black
56:34 <Nothing\> really? I've never seen a gamer actually bodge his computer with a piece of wire before
56:36 <Nothing\> or anyone
56:56 <rust_collector> well, most used means they make loads of it, which tends to make it cheaper
57:03 <Nothing\> you know aside from the 1st/2nd gen home computers that were all THT but that's to be expected
57:32 <Nothing\> yeah but the first law of economics is high demand means high price
57:43 <rust_collector> not saying they bodge anything either, they still use all black wires
58:11 <Nothing\> the volume of a product will affect its market price, sure. but the demand affects it more.
58:29 <Nothing\> well, i guess it depends on the product.
58:58 <Nothing\> but i mean, just think of all of the gem stones that are common materials but are worth a ton of money
59:17 <Nothing\> in fact, i think half of them are just quartz plus some transition metal impurities
59:18 <Nothing\> lol
01:05 <rust_collector> i remember laquered moose poop was sold for a good price, and jewelry, a while ago....
01:43 <Nothing\> no shit?
01:48 <Nothing\> :P
01:56 <Nothing\> that sounds like a canadian thing
02:16 <Nothing\> you know we have a city (or town anyways) in ontario called moose factory
02:23 <Nothing\> i always thought that was a funny name
02:41 <Nothing\> i just picture something like a reverse abattoir
03:24 <Nothing\> with fully formed, but not yet activated moose coming out on a conveyor belt and being dumped into the back of a truck
03:44 <Nothing\> and according to xchat's spellcheck, that's the plural of moose... moose
05:15 * T3sl4 clones Nothing\, hugs it
05:47 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4
05:55 <Nothing\> heya buddy, what's happenin'?
06:05 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
06:10 <Nothing\> aw
06:17 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a hamburger
06:20 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3 <3 <3
06:23 <rust_collector> I should go on ebay and see if they still sell full size cardboard figures of hitler
06:24 <Ampera> hi Nothing\ how are you doing
06:32 <Nothing\> mmm i could actually go for a real burger right about now
06:36 <Nothing\> real being not fast food
06:46 <Nothing\> i'm doing pretty good, except for poop cramps
06:55 <Nothing\> dunno why i've been cramping so much lately
07:15 <Nothing\> i never get bowel pains, even when i'm severely constipated
07:24 <Nothing\> at least until i have to go
07:25 <T3sl4> hamberder!
07:41 <Nothing\> lol
08:03 <Nothing\> i just watched the episode of family guy last night with that guy who says hamburger after everything
08:07 <T3sl4> rust_collector: apparently there was a big landslide somewhere over your place
08:22 <Nothing\> i think it was a reference to a movie, but since i don't watch movies i didn't get the reference. but it was goofy enough to still be funny.
08:32 <T3sl4> that, or hamburgler
08:38 <Nothing\> this big nigerian guy saying threatening things, followed by the word hamburger
09:02 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/kmyj4p/landslide_in_norway_30122020/
12:25 <rust_collector> yeah, I think I saw something about that
14:49 <Nothing\> lol my mom was just telling my our grandfather wired their farm up for 200 amp service
14:55 <Nothing\> (he was an electrician)
15:04 <Nothing\> so i checked out what gauge wire is appropriate for that
15:06 <rust_collector> it is not the first time, in that general area.
15:10 <Nothing\> i got either 00 or 000
15:15 <Nothing\> which is about half an inch
15:47 <Nothing\> actually back in the 50's 000 solid core copper wire was probably dirt cheap
15:56 <Nothing\> even by their standards
16:19 <Nothing\> you could probably buy a 1km roll for like a nickel
16:44 <Nothing\> man it's too bad he wasn't still around
16:52 <Nothing\> i woulda loved to talk shop with him
17:33 <T3sl4> i swear the utility drop looks thinner than it ought to
17:34 <Nothing\> i thought my uncle was good with electronics cuz he made all of these things like an RC k-9 from doctor who, or a dalek you could climb inside of and control
17:48 <T3sl4> i can never decide if that's because i'm terrible at gauging perspective, or the insulation, or it really is
17:52 <Nothing\> but when i gave him a circuitboard to look at, he handled it by the face, not the edges
18:00 <Nothing\> he had his fingers all over the chips
18:09 <Nothing\> and everything conductive
18:24 <Nothing\> and he claims he dropped out of college cuz he knew more than his (first year) professor
18:37 <Nothing\> frankly i think he was just too cocky and didn't wanna do the work
19:05 <Nothing\> especially from what i've learned of him the last year, which is incredibly depressing to hear about somebody you used to look up to.
19:54 <Nothing\> i always thought he was a smart, successful, electrical wizard, but he's just a selfish little shit with an anger problem who likes to beat women
20:04 * Nothing\ takes a breath
20:12 <Nothing\> sorry, i get worked up when i think about it
21:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's interesting that they call it a drop. That's what we called it in the cable industry, too.
21:22 <Nothing\> then off of the drop you had risers going up to wherever in the house
21:44 <T3sl4> those types stake their existence on being able to project a facade of competence and all that
22:00 <Nothing\> do what?
22:08 <T3sl4> it's not a great strategy as it takes a very clever mind to construct more than a veneer
22:09 <Nothing\> but you're not wrong, it was comcast
22:33 <T3sl4> those types of people
22:34 <Nothing\> oh i see what you mean now lol
22:38 <Nothing\> yeah
22:46 <rust_collector> your uncle was comcast... good good
23:00 <T3sl4> i mean, that might've been the case too, and that would still be consistent
23:01 <Nothing\> rust_collector, he invented comcast
23:10 <rust_collector> awesome
23:31 <Nothing\> T3sl4, but yeah i know with all of this chinesium floating around there are a lot of wires with extra thick insulation out there
24:53 <rust_collector> if the insulation is thick enough, maybe it can contain the liquid conductors for a little while
25:03 <Nothing\> haha
25:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that's what we'll be using in the future
25:58 <Nothing\> tubes of mercury will replace all copper infrastructure
26:07 <rust_collector> oh good
26:22 <Nothing\> they'll be extremele fragile, too
26:40 <Nothing\> and miles long before any break in them or a new tube begins
26:54 <T3sl4> would work very well indeed, if only you can keep them at 2 K
27:09 <Nothing\> think a 150 mile long fluorescent tube filled completely full of mercury
27:26 <Nothing\> only much more fragile
27:39 <Nothing\> cuz it works better that way
27:48 <Nothing\> money and stuff
28:09 <Nothing\> actually, i wonder how much mercury that'd be
28:16 <Nothing\> let's do some maths, shall we
28:17 <T3sl4> at least three
28:29 <rust_collector> probably at leas 3, yes
28:30 <Nothing\> but instead of miles, i'm using km
28:32 <Nothing\> cuz miles suck
29:11 <Nothing\> damn it all
29:30 <T3sl4> 1.6km/mi
29:36 <Nothing\> of course, fluorescent tubes have an inner diameter of 1 1/8in
29:58 <T3sl4> pretty easy when you know decimal fractions
30:06 <T3sl4> yeah, T9 bulb?
30:09 <rust_collector> yes, except the ones in different sizes
30:18 <Nothing\> yeah i didn't realize there are different sizes
30:23 <Nothing\> which, DUH
30:34 <T3sl4> T series is just 1/8ths i think, go figure, the glass industry has their own units too
30:38 <Nothing\> anyways let's say 3cm wide
30:41 <Nothing\> that's close enough
31:45 <rust_collector> hmm, I should get some new tubes for the garage lights.
32:23 <T3sl4> don't you know, tooooobz are old
32:27 <Nothing\> okay that's a volume of 1.0602875205866E-7 kilometers^3
32:29 <rust_collector> yes
32:30 <T3sl4> its gotta be LEDs bro
32:33 <rust_collector> no
32:48 <Nothing\> so however much mercury that is in weight
32:57 <Nothing\> er
33:07 <Nothing\> E-7?
33:22 <rust_collector> i replaced these tubes in the early 90s. I think i will keep that stuff for one more set
34:06 <Nothing\> anyways enough math
34:17 <Nothing\> i suddenly fel like i'm gonna puke or passout
34:19 <Nothing\> or both
34:39 <rust_collector> why in all the world do you math with km³?
35:25 <Nothing\> cuz i'm not american, liberian or myanmar...ian?
35:47 <Nothing\> either way, imperial countries use metric whether they want to or not since imperial units are all based on metric units
35:49 <rust_collector> well, I think the normal way would be to use meters
36:11 <Nothing\> and a lot of engineering industries in the US use metric anyways
36:16 <rust_collector> not that it matters, but...
36:35 <Nothing\> rust_collector, just add 3 zeroes
36:50 <Nothing\> BOOM KM -> M
36:56 <rust_collector> oh really? amazing
37:06 <Nothing\> yup, that one's on me
37:21 <T3sl4> i just type it all into google and it handles the units
37:32 <Nothing\> oh yeah guys
37:45 <Nothing\> check out my new digs
37:53 <rust_collector> you made a hole?
37:58 <Nothing\> if i can find the pic
38:23 <rust_collector> i want an excavator. they are fun
38:24 <Nothing\> https://ibb.co/gSB7DWn
38:31 <Nothing\> i call it, the wall of fun and wisdom
38:52 <T3sl4> rust_collector: a pet cat
39:17 <rust_collector> weeeellll, I am not a huge cat fan. but maybe
39:24 Join: blackbird ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
39:44 <Nothing\> blackbird, don't tell me, you have a store that sells inductors you want to tell us about?
39:46 <rust_collector> someone should make a kitten mini digger
39:57 <Nothing\> blackbird, otherwise WELCOME FRIEND!
40:22 <rust_collector> unductors
40:30 <Nothing\> were you guys here for that last night?
40:43 <blackbird> No, no store.
40:51 <Nothing\> some "vietnemese broad" came in and started advertising her online store that sells inductors
40:57 <Nothing\> like anyone here gives a crap about that
41:18 <Nothing\> i didn't dare click the link
41:38 <rust_collector> how wide is a standard vietnamese?
41:45 <Nothing\> 12
41:57 <rust_collector> so this one was more than 14?
42:06 <Nothing\> at least
42:10 <rust_collector> WHOA!
42:23 <blackbird> Maybe Vietnamese springrolls can be used as inductor?
42:27 <coppice> rust_collector: the female ones are mostly slender and cute. I've never taken much notice of the men when I've been in Vietnam
42:27 <Nothing\> btw, random tangent question, but do any of you know why the Today Sponge was taken off the market?
42:33 <Nothing\> i tried to look it up, but couldn't find out why
43:04 <Nothing\> i'm guessing cuz it had a 10-20% failure rate, which for a contraceptive is abysmal. Unacceptable even.
43:10 <rust_collector> coppice, yes, I think they tend to be fairly normal, just a bit smaller
43:26 <Nothing\> 10% in women who have never given birth and 20% wtih women who have
43:33 <coppice> There are some really great spring roll places in Vietnam, where they'll offer you 100 kinds of spring roll
43:50 <Nothing\> coppice, i tried pho for the first time the other day
44:09 <coppice> try phriend next time
44:15 <Nothing\> it tasted like tin or something metallic, it was disgusting and tasted like i'd be poisoned if i ate any more.
44:36 <Nothing\> my guess is it was bunk and i've gotta try real pho
44:45 <coppice> It should take of things like chicken and lemongrass
44:46 <Nothing\> no just frozen grocery store pho
44:48 <coppice> taste
44:59 <rust_collector> I think vietnam is one of the places in that area I would consider traveling to. I am not sure why, but maybe it is just that it is not thailand
45:05 <Nothing\> and it was actualy imported from thailand
45:32 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it could just be my luck, but every vietnemese person i've known has been terrible and selfish
45:52 <Nothing\> then again, that goes for about 99% of the people in my life, historically
45:59 <rust_collector> that is a thing
46:04 <coppice> Vietnamese food is some of the world's best. There used to be a place in Hanoi called Indochine (terrible name) which is the best restaurant I've ever been to
46:24 <Nothing\> coppice, you ever been to cancun?
47:00 <coppice> I've never been to Mexico
47:21 <coppice> I went to the border once, near Nogales
47:21 <Nothing\> there's this place on the lagoon called lorenzilo's. They'd serve you an entire lobster split down the middle for like 16 pesos which was like $2.20 back then
47:32 <Nothing\> and you could sit out on the porch overlooking the lagoon
47:37 <Nothing\> it was beautiful and delicious
47:44 <Nothing\> ah, right on
47:53 <Nothing\> mexico's nice in the resort towns
48:09 <Nothing\> actually i've been to cuba and dominican as well
48:14 <coppice> The best lobster I've had was in Boston
48:20 <Nothing\> i visited the very first cathedral built in north america
48:28 <Nothing\> and the home of christopher columbus
48:50 <Nothing\> it was pretty cool
48:56 <Nothing\> i believe those were in dominican
49:45 <Nothing\> rofl my cat's got so much hair between his toes that he actually slides when he jumps up on a table
05:59 <Nothing\> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
06:15 <Nothing\> that grilled cheese sandwich hit the spot like a damn bullseye
06:26 <rust_collector> eew!
06:47 <Nothing\> rust_collector, the trick is, you've gotta use real cheese
06:54 <Nothing\> marble works best, imo
07:35 <rust_collector> Nothing\, we do not use fake cheese over here. Unless you work in a few of the pizza chain places
08:03 <Nothing\> rust_collector, you mean american "cheese"
08:08 <Nothing\> i think that's what it's called
08:28 <rust_collector> i dunno? but cheese just happens to be cheese, and that is what we use
08:30 <Nothing\> those individually wrapped slices that haven't got anything remotely close to cheese in them
08:54 <Nothing\> we call them kraft singles here, but i know kraft doesn't exist there so i dunno what you guys call it
09:03 <Nothing\> i always thought it was american cheese or something like that
09:16 <rust_collector> I can not imagine pizza places would use individually wrapped slices of anything
09:36 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
09:40 <Nothing\> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Kraft_Singles.jpg
09:42 <Nothing\> those
09:55 <rust_collector> kraft does exist here
10:05 <Nothing\> i figured it had to
10:15 <Nothing\> cuz i mean, they make mac n cheese
10:19 <Nothing\> and kool aid
10:23 <Nothing\> and that "cheese"
10:29 <Nothing\> and so much other stuff
10:50 <Nothing\> btw, it was hard for me to call it mac n cheese
10:59 <Nothing\> i so badly wanted to say kraft dinner
11:50 <Nothing\> but after spending nearly 22 years talking to mostly yanks online, i've learned your language so i translate everything into terms you guys can understand before i say anything
12:27 <Nothing\> ie converting metric to imperial, using american terms in place of canadian terms, using american brands in place of canadian equivalents etc
12:53 <rust_collector> yeah, well, that does not help us europeans much, lol
13:04 <Nothing\> lol no, indeed not
13:42 <Nothing\> this is the only irc i've been on where there's been a large populous of europeans, and i've spent those 22 years assuming everyone i talk to on irc is a yank unless told otherwise
14:18 <Nothing\> and i guess i still operate under that assumption to a degree in that i can never remember who in here is european and who is american
14:29 <Nothing\> and more so, what part of europe they come from
14:38 <Nothing\> you guys are too diverse in here
14:59 <Nothing\> next thing you know we'll be having people in wheel chairs in here
15:12 <rust_collector> oh god no
15:17 <Nothing\> and before you know it, we'll be that burger king kid's club with all of those diverse kids
15:19 <Nothing\> remember that
15:38 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ again
15:40 <Ampera> for some reason
15:43 <Nothing\> with the white kid, the nerdy kid, the wheelchair kid, the black kid, the girl kid
16:11 <rust_collector> not the wheelchair kid with goggles and helmet
16:45 <rust_collector> there is nothing wrong with his legs, but she is safer if it sits in a chair all the time
16:46 <Nothing\> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7bo2o3y4p3521.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fnostalgia%2Fcomments%2Fa7f7f3%2Fthe_burger_king_kids_club%2F&tbnid=21WwZD-wJpVzFM&vet=12ahUKEwiM0-bOmvbtAhUD0awKHRCNDtgQMygDegUIARC8AQ..i&docid=pmSHFWtNAutJ1M&w=751&h=517&q=burger%20king%20kids%20club&ved=2ahUKEwiM0-bOmvbtAhUD0awKHRCNDtgQMygDegUIARC8AQ
16:50 <Nothing\> shiat
16:56 <Nothing\> one sec plox
17:23 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/y8m437hr
17:25 <Nothing\> there
17:30 <Ampera> I don't think I've ever seen something more 90's
17:36 <Nothing\> actually if you're european, i don't think they had that there
17:43 <Nothing\> hahaha i know right, Ampera?
17:52 <Nothing\> that was when burger king was still popular
18:02 <Nothing\> and in stark competition with macdonald's
18:07 <Ampera> I hope they stick around, I quite like burger king
18:21 <Nothing\> you know mcdonald's actually sold pizza at one point?
18:25 <Ampera> yes
18:27 <Nothing\> and i recall it wasn't actually that bad
18:29 <Ampera> and spaghetti
18:31 <rust_collector> I don't, but I very much prefer them to mcdonalds
18:32 <Ampera> and they sell beer in germany
18:46 <Nothing\> i remember having this cheese burger pizza and it was delicious
18:56 <Nothing\> of course, to a 7 year old, anything is delicious
19:15 <Nothing\> i don't remember the last time i had burger king
19:20 <Nothing\> there WAS one nearby
19:25 <Nothing\> but it's a mcdonald's now
19:35 <Nothing\> i don't even think we have one here anymore come to think of it
19:54 <rust_collector> My last time there was in the summer 2 years ago, in sweden, just before we went back home
20:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think the funniest thing about those burger king kids is that the kid in the wheelchair is called wheels
20:13 <Nothing\> he's defined by his disability
21:14 <rust_collector> wheels and burnt face man are buddies now
21:15 <Nothing\> so i think my neighbours had another batch of puppies cuz i can hear them all yipping next door
21:24 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector
21:44 <Nothing\> you know, that's the first time i've ever seen somebody refer to something david firth made that WASN'T salad fingers
21:49 <Nothing\> good on you, for that
21:58 <Nothing\> though i wasn't a huge fan of burnt face man
22:03 <rust_collector> he has a lot of stuff
22:06 <Nothing\> my fave was spoilsbury toastboy
22:17 <rust_collector> ilike locust toybox
22:20 <Nothing\> rust_collector, have you watched his 3 full length fat pie episodes?
22:35 <Nothing\> yeah i'm not big on music, but locust toybox had some nice stuff
22:40 <rust_collector> probably, I don't know
22:51 <Nothing\> not exactly my cup of tea, the electronic afx type stuff though
23:02 <Nothing\> rust_collector, do chool bars ring a bell?
23:19 <Nothing\> or a giant lemon who created the universe and has a pet leather snake named wet wesley
23:40 Join: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
23:40 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o ThunderSqueak
23:48 <Nothing\> heya ThunderSqueak!
23:53 <Nothing\> how ya doin' buddy?
24:08 <ThunderSqueak> hmm am I a buddy ? :D
24:18 <Nothing\> you are to me, of course
24:20 <ThunderSqueak> or is there someone else named buddy *thinks*
24:27 <ThunderSqueak> oh ok! hello and I am doing good :D
24:27 <EEVBlog> Hello there, ThunderSqueak!
24:29 <Nothing\> you're all my friends in here :D
24:42 <ThunderSqueak> lol
25:01 <Nothing\> by default everyone in here is my friend until something happens that makes me feel otherwise
25:06 <Nothing\> which has only happened once
25:23 <Nothing\> and that wasn't in here, that was the other eevblog server
26:02 <Nothing\> the people here are absolutely wonderful. So easy to get along with. A real joy to talk with... and sometimes at.
26:22 <ThunderSqueak> oh yeah that place :>
26:32 <Nothing\> but that's why i love you guys, too. Cuz you don't seem to mind that i rant to myself without realizing it every so often
26:50 * ThunderSqueak is mildly medicated right now on hydrocodone.
27:08 <Nothing\> that's okay, i've taken a handfull of clonazepam and 80mg of methadone
27:20 <ThunderSqueak> ah
27:24 <Nothing\> though the methadone is daily, so i don't even feel it anymore
27:27 * rust_collector had a few cups of coffee
27:34 <Nothing\> i could take 160mg and not feel anything
27:36 <ThunderSqueak> I have a cup of tea too
27:49 <Nothing\> whereas with most people, that would literally kill them two times over
28:24 <Nothing\> oy my abs are sore. I've been making a point of working them more often
28:42 <Nothing\> and i'm still in the first week, so i'm still getting used to it
28:52 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, reminds me of when I got out of the hospital as a kid, they had me on so much morphine that it would kill most adults. was in there for 13 months, they let me just go through the withdrawls too :/
28:58 <rust_collector> buddha building
29:47 <Nothing\> wow i think i just found the record for the longest url i've ever come across
29:54 <Nothing\> 8163 characters
30:20 <Nothing\> i mean, do you really need the equivalent of a damn book for your urls?
30:40 <ThunderSqueak> some URL's contain the entire webpage
30:44 <ThunderSqueak> :P
30:45 <Nothing\> ah
30:49 <Nothing\> oh
30:51 <Nothing\> joke lol
30:57 <ThunderSqueak> actually no
31:03 <Nothing\> oh
31:09 <Nothing\> i guess that makes sense
31:14 <Nothing\> hamburger
31:31 <ThunderSqueak> hmm
31:42 <Nothing\> dammit i was gonna say something but it slipped my mind
32:10 <ThunderSqueak> then you have the URLs that are nothing more then spam, image ones come to mind where you can make up random text after the image, it only directs to the image but the text makes it look funny
32:33 <Nothing\> don't think i've ever noticed one of those
32:46 <Nothing\> oh, right, my abs
32:56 <Nothing\> yeah i got one of those ab rollers for christmas
33:12 <ThunderSqueak> hmm https://hackaday.com/2020/12/30/amiga-now-includes-hdmi-by-way-of-a-raspberry-pi-daughterboard/
33:18 <Nothing\> they're great workouts, but i wouldn't recommend them on carpet. sounds like it's ripping the glue off
33:27 <ThunderSqueak> oh? I lost a person in weight this last year o.o
33:28 <rust_collector> i want you to lie on your back, and roll your abs with it, lol
33:37 <Nothing\> plus i've been doing crunches to get my lower abs
33:52 <Nothing\> rust_collector, lol not that kinda ab roller
33:58 <ThunderSqueak> my neighbor, who had not seen me in like 10 months, was shocked... she asked if I was sick <.<;;
34:28 <Nothing\> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/cc/d9/92ccd96af9da04d8768e453a4a7e0791.jpg
34:31 <ThunderSqueak> I just went back to my old eating habits, mostly veggies and fish
34:32 <Nothing\> rust_collector, one of those
34:40 <rust_collector> yes yes
34:48 <Nothing\> you wouldn't think it'd be a hard workout, but man is it ever
34:54 <rust_collector> you can still do what I said.
35:06 <rust_collector> makes sense to video it
35:32 * Ampera hugs ThunderSqueak 
35:34 <Ampera> how are you doing
35:42 * ThunderSqueak likes her soft squish :D 
35:45 <ThunderSqueak> hi Ampera
35:56 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, i didn't know you were female
35:59 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, last day at this job.
36:08 <Nothing\> then again, just like nationality, i assume everyone in here is male
36:23 <Ampera> I didn't know male was a nationality
36:28 <ThunderSqueak> Nothing\, yeah, being female is one of those things that happens XD
36:29 <Nothing\> especially given the topic of the chat. don't see a lotta women interested in STEM in general
36:37 <rust_collector> it is, if you are canadian
36:48 <Ampera> and they call americans oblivious
37:01 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, well the only other female i've seen in here was this one questionable female who kept going on about how much she liked sex.
37:07 <ThunderSqueak> Nothing\, that is because women are not encouraged, and often are discouraged by assholes
37:15 <Ampera> Nothing\, who on earth was that
37:23 <ThunderSqueak> what is wrong with liking sex?
37:29 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, i know, it's sad we still have shit like that going on.
37:30 <Ampera> unless you mean me, then I'm not sure how to respond with that
37:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, what?
37:42 <Ampera> there's liking something, and not shutting up about it I suppose
38:00 <Ampera> Nothing\, who was the only other female who did nothing but go on about how much she liked sex
38:03 <Ampera> I don't recall that
38:24 <Nothing\> oh, i dunno. she just came into the other server once a long time ago.
38:35 <Ampera> oh, in the afternet channel?
38:39 <Nothing\> it was a one time deal till she got banned for talking about sex too in depth
38:42 <Ampera> then that was probably before I joined it
38:49 <Nothing\> yeah it was before i knew you
39:04 <Ampera> if someone like that came in here and did that, Halcyon would probably start reconsidering being gay :P
39:20 <Nothing\> yeah i dunno what her deal was
39:23 <ThunderSqueak> and why would that make her questionable? women actually love sex generally. Most guys are just so clueless that they have no idea how to think about anyone but themselves. My experience with men can be summed up to a single scene in a mr bean film... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUHvMLNO6Fc
39:52 <Nothing\> whether she was actually a horny woman. or just a guy fucking with us (though we didn't give much of a reaction other than 'yeah, that's nice'"
39:57 <Nothing\> )
40:11 <Nothing\> gotta close them parentheses
40:16 <ThunderSqueak> yeah
40:34 * ThunderSqueak is a lesbian however and happily married.
40:55 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, right on. congratulations. How long you been married?
40:55 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak, I'd say it's a bit hypocritical to complain about women not being accepted in STEM, and then calling most guys clueless
41:04 <ThunderSqueak> since July
41:32 <ThunderSqueak> Ampera, about sex and how to satisfy women? most men are clueless
41:42 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, congrats. I wish you guys nothing but the best, along with a long and healthy relationship.
41:58 <Ampera> Again, that's a pretty big generalization there
42:04 <ThunderSqueak> it is
42:23 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, frankly to me, being a good lover was just common sense
42:44 <ThunderSqueak> the thing is, often the control system is just too complex for some :P
42:47 <Ampera> I think it's no more unreasonable for a man to be unsure about sex than it is for a woman.
43:06 <Nothing\> the first rule we had for sex was i focus on her pleasure and she focuses on my pleasure. That's the number 1 mistake a person (especially guys) make when having sex. They only focus on their own pleasure.
43:10 <Ampera> Is that to imply that women's sexual desires are more complex than mens'?
43:23 <ThunderSqueak> hmm no
43:23 <Ampera> :/
43:26 <Nothing\> the other rule i like to follow is to take it slow and tease the shit out of her as long as possible
44:00 <rust_collector> eew!
44:21 <Nothing\> like running my fingers up her inner thigh towards her crotch, only to veer off and go up her stomach and up to her breasts and around her nipples, but not ever quite touching her nipples
44:25 <Nothing\> that sorta thing
44:31 <ThunderSqueak> didnt say that at all Ampera, just that people often have no clue on how the nerve structures work on the opposite gender and with so much of the female control system hidden, a lot of people do not figure it out.
44:34 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
45:15 <Nothing\> that's the key, you go around the erogenous zones at first, but never directly touch them for at least the first 10-20 minutes
45:35 <ThunderSqueak> I didnt need "lessons in how to please a woman" :P
45:45 <ThunderSqueak> or a man for that matter :P
46:01 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, no, i'm sorry i didn't mean to come off like that. I was just explaining the way i prefer to do it. That's all.
46:19 * ThunderSqueak contemplates being mansplained how a vagina works.
46:26 <Ampera> ok good lord
46:26 <ThunderSqueak> XD
46:31 <Nothing\> lol ThunderSqueak
46:46 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, you see, once a month a girl has a special time in her life.
46:48 <ThunderSqueak> I sorta wanna tweet that now just for the laugh
46:58 <Ampera> this chat is annoying the hell out of me, I'm gonna head out
47:05 <ThunderSqueak> ok Ampera
47:10 <rust_collector> have fun
47:12 <Nothing\> a special time in which she'll bleed from her crotch for 4 days straight and feel like a mess down there constantly.
47:21 <ThunderSqueak> ..
47:26 <Nothing\> and of course no man will ever want to touch such a woman
47:33 <Nothing\> so you might as well not even try
47:39 <Nothing\> :P jk of course
47:52 <ThunderSqueak> and this is why I am a lesbian :D
48:06 <ThunderSqueak> well that and my brain structure sorta dictates that ? who knows
48:16 <ThunderSqueak> :D
48:16 <Nothing\> i'd say that's like some fundamentalist religion explanation, but they don't even bother with explaining anything. Do they?
48:27 <T3sl4> a ThunderSqueak!
48:37 <ThunderSqueak> where! HIDE! RUN!
48:38 <rust_collector> how are things going with the rest of the community up there?
48:38 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, you know, they've actually banned conversion therapy in several provinces here
48:48 <Nothing\> and we're close to banning it on a federal level
49:15 <ThunderSqueak> and in the USA they keep making it more and more legal
49:19 <Nothing\> which i think is awesome
49:24 <ThunderSqueak> :/
49:27 <Nothing\> yeha no shit. it's disgusting.
49:41 <ThunderSqueak> I had a friend get sent through that
49:57 <Nothing\> oh jeez. i know it wasn't you. but i'm still so sorry.
50:01 <rust_collector> only mr steve is allowed to convert people, but they tend to go the other way
50:05 <Nothing\> i couldn't even imagine
50:05 <ThunderSqueak> he came back with ptsd, still gay, now just a gay man with ptsd :/
50:15 <Nothing\> yeah i can imagine
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51:12 <Nothing\> here in canada, up until the 90's we had these "residential schools" for indigenous peoples. Basically the government would steal your kids and put them in these schools in order to westernize them.
51:24 <ThunderSqueak> uhm, those were in the USA too
51:31 <Nothing\> ah
51:39 <ThunderSqueak> I caught the tale end of them
51:45 <Nothing\> i just find it hard to believe we were doing that up until the 90s
51:57 <ThunderSqueak> nothing says education like a school that has a graveyard
52:04 <Nothing\> yeha no shit
52:17 <ThunderSqueak> or that puts you into a little box for hours on end, sometimes the whole day
52:21 * Nothing\ sighs
52:27 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak
52:34 <Nothing\> how can the world be so fucked up?
52:36 * ThunderSqueak grew up on the rez for the first 10 years of her life.
52:42 <ThunderSqueak> well 12 years
52:46 <ThunderSqueak> but yeah
52:46 <Nothing\> i know it's a rhetorical question, but seriously.
53:06 <rust_collector> I think that was a pretty common thing "in the west" we had an anti indigenous culture thing going since a long time ago. it is getting better for them, I think, but...
53:10 <Nothing\> i mean, i know the psychological reasons for how people can treat others that way
53:29 <Nothing\> but it's more than how humans treat one another
53:31 <T3sl4> but don't you know? we know how to live better than they did
53:33 <ThunderSqueak> I would rather not talk about things I have seen
53:39 <ThunderSqueak> but yeah, it is fucked up
53:42 <Nothing\> it seems like everything in this world is conspiring against us
53:51 <Nothing\> even ourselves
54:13 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, no offense, but i'd rather not hear about them.
54:21 <ThunderSqueak> not going to
54:23 <Nothing\> i've heard enough fuckedup stories of torture and so on
54:30 <ThunderSqueak> anyway
54:34 <Nothing\> yeah
54:38 <Nothing\> let's go on to happier things
55:02 <coppice> I wonder why the invaders didn't finish off the last of the indigenous people in Canada and the US? They had not issue with reducing them to quite small populations
55:05 <ThunderSqueak> so, wife and I got married on the 4th of July, that way we have a good reason for fireworks :D
55:19 <Nothing\> heh i bought all 4 mega man legacy collections
55:29 <Nothing\> not a bad deal, like 25 games for around $100
55:39 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\ instead
55:47 <Nothing\> aww thanks T3sl4
55:52 * ThunderSqueak hugs T3sl4.
55:54 <ThunderSqueak> o.o
55:59 <ThunderSqueak> because I felt left out
56:10 * T3sl4 pounces ThunderSqueak, huggingly
56:13 <rust_collector> i got married on the 30th of some month, to make it easier to remember...
56:13 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4, thankful that he has such wonderful, amazing people in his life. <3
56:22 <ThunderSqueak> coppice, well, had they, neither myself nor my wife would have been born
56:22 <T3sl4> jk, no one goes unhugged here ;)
56:24 <Nothing\> i got married on the 5th of july
56:48 <Nothing\> and of course it was an outdoor wedding on a day when it was about 35 degrees out
57:15 <coppice> ThunderSqueak: I'm sure that was part of their plan
57:26 <ThunderSqueak> ah, we went into the mountains near Hope Alaska with 3 close friends and got married
58:03 <Nothing\> right on. We were only 18 (me) and 20 (her) so we got married in her parents' back yard
58:15 <Nothing\> (i knocked her up)
58:19 <ThunderSqueak> ah
58:19 <rust_collector> we were supposed to have a secret wedding, but mominlaw found out, so suddenly there was a bunch of people there
58:28 <Nothing\> though i had fully planned to marry her before i even knew she was pregnant
58:42 <Nothing\> not so sure that she felt the same
58:51 <coppice> rust_collector: how secret? did you inform your wife?
59:06 <rust_collector> no, she thought we were having a hotdog
59:18 <Nothing\> lol
59:27 <rust_collector> I like to put a suit on, when I eat hotdogs
59:42 <rust_collector> perfect coverup
59:57 <ThunderSqueak> after the covid thing clears up enough and people are actually vaccinated, we plan on having a proper wedding.
00:05 <T3sl4> every girl crazy bout a sharp dressed hotdog
00:07 <Nothing\> i remember after our wedding, we had 3 kegs for the after party deal (tip of the tongue, can't think of the word)
00:17 <T3sl4> reception
00:22 <Nothing\> yes, thank you
00:31 <Nothing\> but anyways, we barely made a dent in those kegs
00:40 <ThunderSqueak> I joked because part of my heritage, a "marriage" is simply the act of "you slept together, moved in together... guess what, you are married" :>
00:45 <Nothing\> so my friends and i spent the next 4 days trying to finish them off before they went bad
00:53 <Nothing\> we didn't even come close
01:23 <coppice> Nothing\: things like those residential schools really puzzle me. In the middle of the 20th century trying to simply dispose of the children would have blown up in the government's face, but when those schools started they could have made the kids quietly disappear
01:28 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, that's the legal definition of marriage in some places
01:36 <ThunderSqueak> I know it is XD
02:04 <Nothing\> like here, my mom lived with her bf for 16 years and even though they never got married, the government still treated them as though they were married
02:37 <rust_collector> here, if you live together for... I think it is 3 years, you are "married", just not
02:58 <ThunderSqueak> no common law in Alaska, actually in most of the USA there is no actual common law
03:10 <Nothing\> coppice, well they've been doing that with indigenous peoples up here since before canada was even a country
03:20 <ThunderSqueak> when you are a woman who needs a roommate, you learn to look up those stupid laws
03:36 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, so, you live in alaska?
04:09 <ThunderSqueak> I do now yes
04:13 <ThunderSqueak> I am from the Dakotas
04:56 <Nothing\> ah
05:06 <Nothing\> i had some friends who lived in alaska
05:30 <Nothing\> unfortunately one day they were found dead in their car in a state park from exposure
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05:36 <Nothing\> :/
05:39 <Nothing\> https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime/alaska-authorities-investigating-after-madison-native-and-wife-found-dead-at-campground/article_7c39fe2b-6d6c-5ecc-a021-b655537c964b.html
05:40 <coppice> Nothing\: but why didn't they finish the job? Everything I've read about US and Canadian history with respect to the indigenous people tells me it was just a land clearance action, with no moral consideration at all, and yet they kinda held back at the last minute
06:18 <Nothing\> it was so sad, they were a big part of the community i was in at the time
06:48 <Nothing\> i've known probably 30+ people online who have died in various ways and that was one of the ones that hit closer to home
07:15 <Nothing\> mostly suicides and drug overdoses, of course
07:25 <coppice> Nothing\: aging is when you are being invited to less weddings and more funerals
07:38 <T3sl4> that's a shame
07:46 <Nothing\> coppice, for me it's just having less and less family
08:14 <Nothing\> at least, family that's willing to spend time with you on a regular basis
08:25 <Nothing\> or act like family in the least bit
08:37 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah it really was
09:29 <coppice> Its a few years since I spoke to anyone who is related by blood. most of what I think of as family is my wife's family
09:31 <Nothing\> for some reason my one cat freaks out any time i play pure tones for him
09:48 <Nothing\> even ones of square waves or with lots of harmonics
09:51 <ThunderSqueak> coppice, when they broke up the rez, they gave out some to "male heads of household" that is whoever the oldest male was in a family to try to encourage western farming. That happened to my fam
11:08 <Nothing\> coppice, i've got my mom, whom i share a townhouse with and i'm super close with. Close than at any other point in my teenage to adult life. Which is great. Then the other one i have is a brother who's badly addicted to his meds
11:20 <Nothing\> coppice, to the point where i just want nothing to do with him
11:52 <ThunderSqueak> Nothing\, I think I remember that
12:00 <ThunderSqueak> the couple found in the car
12:03 <ThunderSqueak> :/
12:23 <Nothing\> we invited him over for thanksgiving and all he wound up doing was bringing all of his consoles with, rearranging my living room and work area so he could test those consoles cuz he hadn't tested them (he had no plans of playing them with me) then he went upstairs and passed out on the toilet for 2.5 hours
13:01 <Nothing\> then complained when we told him it was time to go because he was still here at 1am
13:13 <Nothing\> he's like "what? You're kicking me out?"
13:22 <ThunderSqueak> sadly it is a lot more common up here then you would think, homeless population is huge in Alaska. for instance when they said they might give out a 600 dollar stimulus payment, my thought went immediatly to "Oh goody, now Alaskans can buy that gallon of orange juice we always wanted"
13:33 <Nothing\> it's sad cuz i used to look up to him so much as a kid
13:46 <Nothing\> and now he's not even recognizable compared to back then
14:06 * Nothing\ sighs
14:23 <Nothing\> can somebody give me hug plz?
14:36 * ThunderSqueak hugs Nothing\ 
14:46 <coppice> ThunderSqueak: I think it would be fairly common for people to die in their cars in sufficiently cold climates
14:47 * Nothing\ hugs ThunderSqueak <3
14:49 <rust_collector> sure, get over here, and you can have a hug
14:52 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, thank you
14:57 * Nothing\ hugs rust_collector <3
15:01 <Nothing\> thank you, as well
15:17 <Nothing\> i think these clonazepam are screwing with my mood
15:21 <ThunderSqueak> coppice, back in the Dakotas, people die just walking to the mailbox
15:41 <Nothing\> i keep finding myself getting into bouts of crying. I never used to cry. At least not this much.
15:56 <ThunderSqueak> estrogen? :D
15:58 <ThunderSqueak> jk
16:00 <Nothing\> by never crying i mean no more than you're average person would.
16:08 <Nothing\> ThunderSqueak, actually that is a possibility
16:36 <Nothing\> i mean i was on extremely high doses of (doctor prescribed) testosterone replacement therapy that i went off of cold turkey
16:49 <Nothing\> 200mg IM ever 2 weeks
16:57 <Nothing\> forget what kind but it started with a V
17:18 <ThunderSqueak> oh, I have ftm friends on T, that stuff has a massive effect o.o
17:26 <Nothing\> but anyways, ever since then i've have obvious symptoms of a severe lack of testosterone
17:49 <Nothing\> yeha luckily it doesn't seem to have affected me much
18:00 <Nothing\> i mean, i have no sex drive. which is preferable to me
18:02 * T3sl4 holds up a billboard with a hug emoji at rust_collector
18:09 <Nothing\> and i have fatty liver disease, that's probably the worst
18:15 <ThunderSqueak> ah
18:20 <Nothing\> but somehow my diabetes cured itself
18:32 * ThunderSqueak plays her flute for Nothing\ 
18:42 <ThunderSqueak> my wife cheers up when I play for her :D
19:06 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/iO35zG9.gif
19:19 <Nothing\> :D
19:33 <ThunderSqueak> ah, inner light is a fun song
19:33 <Nothing\> anywho my mum's home so i'm gonna go spend some time with her
19:42 <T3sl4> such a good episode too
19:50 <T3sl4> i'd make an innuendo like "play my flute", but the closest flute-like thing i have is my theremin, and i can't even play it :P
19:54 <rust_collector> iIrc, she looks a tiny bit different to that, lol.
19:55 <Nothing\> take care guys. and thanks for the moral support. I appreciate it more than words could ever express.
20:01 <Nothing\> I love you all. <3
20:08 <T3sl4> <3
20:13 <rust_collector> do somehting fun with your mom
20:19 <ThunderSqueak> I can play a Native American Flute and an Irish Tin Whistle... lots of fun actually :D
20:29 <ThunderSqueak> especially playing Irish jigs on the NAF
20:32 <T3sl4> do you know any Tin Lizzy? :P
20:41 <rust_collector> pfft
21:08 <ThunderSqueak> o.o
21:40 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCHutVrGsZY
23:47 <T3sl4> haha
25:17 <ThunderSqueak> convo was too serious :D
25:39 <ThunderSqueak> ever watch the old coffee ads jim hensen did?
25:52 <rust_collector> ooh, a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMXHvGFGPw
26:06 <coppice> Sex Drive sounds like the kinda road where you'd find some relationship counsellors
26:32 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0aTlzMD80
26:59 <T3sl4> coppice: turns out Sue Johanson was a race car driver
30:05 <ThunderSqueak> hmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw
30:08 <ThunderSqueak> robots :D
30:52 <coppice> That robot has just made a Korea move
31:57 <T3sl4> it's funny, that video could still be scripted
32:23 <T3sl4> but getting the script to go, would be worse hairpulling than that 600+ take rube goldberg machine from some years ago
32:37 <T3sl4> it's honestly probably easier to just solve the damn kinematics
33:05 <T3sl4> which would take many years of dedicated effort to finally realize, but, as it happens, that's exactly what they've been up to
33:55 <T3sl4> or i mean, it could be CG, they could draw that photorealistically i'm pretty sure
35:09 <T3sl4> but that would be rather silly after everything else they've done to this point, so yeah
35:59 <ThunderSqueak> yeah I was wondering if it was CG enhanced XD
36:08 <ThunderSqueak> or done in slow motion then sped up
36:27 <T3sl4> hrm, nah, balance would be off if it were slowed down
36:36 <T3sl4> that, or they used a lot more tungsten than i think
36:47 <ThunderSqueak> or wires :D
36:55 <ThunderSqueak> tiny models on wires o.o
36:58 <T3sl4> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1ac56071-9db5-4d09-a60c-c5114890c811
37:35 <coppice> ThunderSqueak: they definitely have no need for slow motion. If you watch a number of boston dynamics videos, achieving considerable speed in the robots is something they no longer have any issues with
38:15 <ThunderSqueak> oh I know
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38:23 <ThunderSqueak> just being silly :P
38:47 <T3sl4> it's kind of strange i guess, that very fast and powerful BLDCs are a new thing
39:14 <T3sl4> maybe they aren't, but the power-dense actuators were more specialized and military/aerospace marketed until recently?
39:46 <T3sl4> also, i wonder if that's what they use, or what
40:52 <ThunderSqueak> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqfk1fgXEAAoXrp?format=jpg&name=large
40:54 <ThunderSqueak> lol
41:04 <coppice> it not just the motors. in the early boston dynamics videos the robots hesitated a long time before making a big move, doing some kind of preparation. If you look at videos from last winter, when robots are walking around on rough ground in the snow they slip and recover all over the place, with no hesitation
41:28 <T3sl4> oh absolutely
42:08 <coppice> Its interesting that even with their impressive results, the business keeps getting sold
42:26 <T3sl4> i mean more generally over the last decade or two; whatever the motivation, the fact that powerful, dense and affordable lipo packs are a thing, makes equally compact and dense motors very attractive
42:52 <T3sl4> and the combination makes stuff like that possible, contrasted with like the 90s humanoid bots that were mostly lumbering backpacks
43:39 <T3sl4> would be interesting to see some of their control schemes, but then again i suppose they're mostly just trained neural nets?
44:12 <coppice> a lot of develops are like that, requiring several technologies to succeed, and each spurring the others on
44:34 <T3sl4> and yeah, the hesitation, the confidence, and the recovery, are amazing. very difficult to write that from first principles, they certainly didn't acheve that in the 90s when that was the only way to do it, more or less
45:38 <coppice> Its like TV. nobody invented TV. It was the outcome of a bunch of technologies pushing each other forwards towards a practical result
46:36 <T3sl4> or radar, or the internet
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49:12 <coppice> you must have experienced engineers taking the attitude that there was no point further improving a device, when improvement definitely was possible. When you play off people struggling with image sensing, transmission, and image display you eventually get them all to get their act together until you achieve a practical TV
49:50 <T3sl4> yeah
50:43 <T3sl4> shows up throughout history, major scientific discoveries for instance that were oh-so-close a century before their application, if only someone had looked, or thought about it in a different way
51:42 <coppice> things like Gauss figuring out an FFT algorithm and losing it, or LDPC being written up in a paper nobody read
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21:43 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/F22ShBG.mp4
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37:53 <Nothing\> what'll it be then, eh?
38:07 <rust_collector> pizza.... always pizza
40:23 <Nothing\> mmmm lindor chocolates
40:43 <rust_collector> with cheese?
40:44 <Nothing\> i'd have prefered a variety pack, but the truffles are just as good
40:54 <Nothing\> that'd be weird
40:59 <Nothing\> chocolate and cheese
41:18 <Nothing\> brb coffee
41:21 <rust_collector> I think it can work, in some cases
42:22 <rust_collector> I have to find a better load thingie, so I can see what this little power supplying thing can do
43:03 <rust_collector> and maybe cut the front panel, so i don't have the voltmeter inside it, lol
46:52 <Nothing\> hrm, you ever hear of this drug called "lean"
47:29 <rust_collector> no
47:53 <Nothing\> apparently it's just codeine cough syrup, but for some reason in order to make "lean" as opposed to just getting high on codeine syrup is they mix it with 7-up and then put jolly ranchers into the mix
48:06 <Nothing\> like it activates it somehow or something
49:56 <electrohead> o/
54:08 <rust_collector> hoi
54:21 <Nothing\> greetings electrohead
54:57 <electrohead> cough syrup, jolly ranchers, and 7-up?
55:03 <electrohead> fucking why?
56:25 <rust_collector> 7-up is not bad... i have no idea why the other 2 exist
58:42 <rust_collector> i wonder how long this 25v cap will work running at 25 volts...
04:34 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw
17:30 * Ampera hugs electrohead
22:55 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
30:20 * electrohead hugs Ampera
56:39 <T3sl4> i read that as, electrohugs head Ampera
59:07 <DHess_US> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/eaphr8/a_dropbox_account_gave_me_stomach_ulcers/
02:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1361 - Dodgy Tactile Switch TEARDOWN https://t.co/xNsCTQ9w2c
16:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Thinking about a live show within the next hour, stay tuned.
18:17 <Ysjoelfir> electrohug gives ampera head?
19:12 <rust_collector> mr hug can just dream...
23:29 <electrohead> lmfao
23:46 <electrohead> hey guys, hahaha
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25:04 <rust_collector> hey you
25:17 <electrohead> what's good?
25:30 <electrohead> I'm at the beer store currently, waves of customers come and go
25:35 <electrohead> right now, no one here
26:04 <rust_collector> i have to figure out a way to turn off an igbt after xx time. I was not ready for this stuff
26:50 <electrohead> simple timer circuit, or is there more to it, in terms of getting feedback to determine when to turn off?
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27:27 <rust_collector> nah, I could probably use whatever timing thing. it should be on for 2.5 hours, or around there
27:52 <JoePublic> Dave you missed out. Solar Roadways had a stock offer and raised over a million dollars!
28:19 <JoePublic> Dave you missed out. Solar Roadways had a stock offer and raised over a million dollars!
28:27 <Guest|15312> you missed out. Solar Roadways had a stock offer and raised over a million dollars!
28:50 <rust_collector> should I make it turn on at the zero crossing, or does it not matter with an igbt? I don't know things, lol
28:57 <Guest|15312> Dave you missed out. Solar Roadways had a stock offer and raised over a million dollars!
29:18 <rust_collector> I wonder why people think dave reads this
29:49 <Guest|15312> Dave could you do a video on Ambri battery storage?
30:45 <Guest|15312> Dave could you do a video on Ambri battery storage?
31:16 <rust_collector> I still wonder why people think dave reads this
31:29 <T3sl4> rust_collector: so it's AC? would you not use a TRIAC instead?
31:46 <Nothing\> lol i forgot one of my old friends was hunted by the FBI once
31:57 <rust_collector> T3sl4, maybe? should I? yes, it is mains ac
32:02 <Nothing\> and earned a page on wikipedia for his elite hacking skills
32:04 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Moran_(computer_criminal)
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32:31 <T3sl4> good old fashioned SSR would be the way to go
32:32 <Nothing\> he once replaced the DARE site index.html with a picture of donald duck shooting up
32:37 <T3sl4> the AC ones are TRIAC based
32:52 <T3sl4> Nothing\: nice
33:21 <rust_collector> ok, I will look at that then
34:24 <Nothing\> i think he eventually became a security consultant a la kevin mitnick after serving his sentence
34:36 <Nothing\> but he died of a heroin OD in 2013
35:14 Quit: JoePublic ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
35:16 <Nothing\> i was alright friends with him since '99
35:48 <Nothing\> i guess he DDOSed a buncha places too
36:00 <Nothing\> was so long ago, it's hard to remember
36:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4, lol or there was my friend who made a cryptocurrency based on uhh oh shit what's his name
37:01 <Nothing\> the gay fish dude
37:17 <Nothing\> kanye
37:32 <rust_collector> kanye the gay fish?
37:50 <Nothing\> yeah, they made a cryptocurrency based on him
37:55 <T3sl4> he likes fish sdicks
38:02 <rust_collector> makes sense
38:19 <TheDude> lol, they made a cryptocurrency on him
38:43 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinye
38:44 <T3sl4> memecoin has been around a long time, dogecoin is/was one of the bigger ones
38:48 <TheDude> this is the equivalent of 2009 "they made a facebook group about <thing>"
38:52 <Nothing\> soo, the logo's a picture of kanye as a gay fish
39:00 <Nothing\> *see
39:37 <Nothing\> of course he was sent a cease and decist notice by kanye's lawyers and kanye threatened to sue them
41:12 <Nothing\> still pretty good for the creator though
41:40 <Nothing\> he used to be a heroin addict who would basically go into a best buy, grab as much shit as he could and just bolt out the door
41:53 <Nothing\> his gf waiting to get away just outside
43:03 <Nothing\> eventually security confronted them, so he attacked them with a knife ond they colled the cops, who chased them for some time, they rammed the cops and kept going but of course they were ultimately caught
43:05 <rust_collector> a good reason to have a pickup, I guess
43:52 <Nothing\> and that wasn't his first time being in trouble with the law. But thankfully he got his life together after that whole thing
44:08 <Nothing\> yeah they were in a minivan
44:15 <rust_collector> hah
44:18 <Nothing\> so, a good bit of weight behind them
44:32 <Nothing\> but not the best speed
44:34 <rust_collector> throwing stuff in a minivan is not the same
49:54 * electrohead throws a minivan at rust_collector
50:15 <rust_collector> YAAY! I will put it on top of the other one outside
52:11 <electrohead> :P
52:30 <electrohead> T3sl4: do you like fish sticks in your mouth?
52:44 <T3sl4> mmmm
54:59 <electrohead> hahaha
08:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm going LIVE in 10 minutes! https://t.co/rylI8ahpFm (and testing some streaming stuff, so it may go tits up)
20:34 <T3sl4> hrm, forum isn't behaving
20:41 <T3sl4> maybe it's already titting
21:09 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir!!! T3sl4 said something about tits, I think
21:19 * T3sl4 tittles rust_collector
24:10 <T3sl4> (which is just the small dot on lowercase i, j)
27:14 <electrohead> tits.
27:29 * rust_collector wonder why he tries to feel for heat with his melted finger...
38:44 * Halcyon coffees
38:46 <Halcyon> Morning all
39:09 <rust_collector> moorning
39:33 <electrohead> hey
40:18 <Halcyon> Oh Dave's doing a live stream
42:19 <electrohead> I can't watch it, I'm at work
42:24 <electrohead> :/
42:29 <rust_collector> hah
42:33 <electrohead> all good though, lol
42:41 <rust_collector> why would that stop you?
42:57 <Halcyon> Aww
43:22 * T3sl4 tittles Halcyon too
43:57 <electrohead> cause this laptop I have isn't suitable for youtube videos, much
44:06 <electrohead> I mean, it works, but really choppy playback
44:16 <electrohead> it's cool though :p
44:26 * electrohead hugs Halcyon
49:26 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
50:03 <Halcyon> YAY
50:13 <Ampera> how are Halcyon
50:14 <Halcyon> I got my new phone :P
50:18 <Ampera> how is it
50:32 <Halcyon> Yeh great, much better than my old one
50:46 <Ampera> how have you been doing then
50:48 <Halcyon> A little bigger than I'd like it, but meh, it's just longer, so it's managable.
50:55 <electrohead> that's what she said
50:56 <electrohead> lol
50:58 <Ampera> still smaller than my phone
51:00 <Halcyon> Hahaha
51:08 <Ampera> I only want the biggest <3
51:13 <electrohead> lmao
51:18 <electrohead> goofs :p
51:54 <Halcyon> Ampera is a size queen
52:09 <Ampera> the bigger the depression the better
52:27 <Ampera> It's always a nice day when I beat my record for how much mental pain I'm in
56:50 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
57:02 <Ampera> you still haven't told me how you are doing >:(
57:14 <Ysjoelfir> I read tits?
57:36 <rust_collector> TITS!
57:48 <Ampera> you tits are disgusting
58:07 <Halcyon> I'm doing fine
58:09 <Halcyon> Just having coffee
58:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, do they use checks down under?
58:41 <Halcyon> Just woke up
58:52 <Ampera> in both channels we've all been going on about checks, so it's your turn to have input :P
59:21 <Halcyon> Checks?
59:26 <Halcyon> As in cheques?
59:28 <Ampera> yes
59:30 <rust_collector> yes
59:31 <Ampera> we call them checks
59:32 <Halcyon> Rarely
59:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, want to do a call anyways?
59:46 <Halcyon> I haven't seen a cheque for many years, let alone being used
00:01 <Halcyon> Yeh let me finish coffee and importing my contacts over to my phone
00:09 <Ampera> let me know when
00:15 <Ampera> you want me to use PSTN or Signal
00:19 <Halcyon> You can get a chequing account, but they are rare.
00:24 <rust_collector> yeah, finnish coffee
00:25 <Halcyon> Signal would be ideal, or Discord?
00:28 <Ampera> I'd prefer signal
00:34 <Ampera> I'm not a fan of Discord's VoIP system
00:43 <Ampera> let me know when, so you don't call and I miss it
01:41 <Halcyon> Hahah I love this word of the day from Urban Dictionary: "Schrödinger's Douchebag" - A guy who says offensive things and decides whether he was joking based on the reaction of people around him.
01:56 <Ampera> heard that before
02:00 <electrohead> lol
02:01 <Halcyon> Love it
02:10 <Ampera> I was only pretending to be stupid.
02:23 <Halcyon> You don't have to pretend anymore Ampera
02:28 <Halcyon> We love you even if you are a tard
02:42 <electrohead> yes we do
02:44 <electrohead> :p
02:50 <rust_collector> thanks
02:51 <Ampera> yeah, because the lot of you are worse than me
03:22 <Halcyon> :P
06:23 <Halcyon> Hey guys, is there a way to see which browser tab is using CPU resources. One of my Firefox tabs is constantly using 100% CPU
06:31 <Halcyon> top just shows the process as "Web Content"
06:52 <rust_collector> hmm, I htink I saw some addon for that?
07:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, does firefox have seperated tasks for tabs?
07:27 <Ampera> like is this an actual task that's pegging your CPU and you want to know for which tab it's for?
07:30 <Halcyon> I think so
07:36 <Halcyon> Yes
07:37 <Ampera> just kill the task and see what breaks
07:54 <Halcyon> Yeh that's an option
08:14 <Halcyon> Mmm task is gone, everything seems OK so far
08:19 <Halcyon> YAY
11:08 <Halcyon> Do you want me to call you Ampera?
11:15 <Ampera> I'll call you, you ready?
11:27 <rust_collector> BOOM!
11:33 <Halcyon> Sure
12:05 <Halcyon> I can't hear you?
12:24 <Halcyon> I can try calling you?
14:15 * electrohead unhacks the phone call
14:21 <T3sl4> DOOM!
14:43 * T3sl4 cocks a shotgun 
15:00 * electrohead shots a cockgun
15:05 <electrohead> don't ask
16:09 <T3sl4> i'll just assume that's a thing in cyberpunk 2077
21:43 <electrohead> haha
25:00 <Ysjoelfir> I heard that one is a great, very balanced game without any bugs
25:31 <rust_collector> you are thinking about cyberdonk, I think. different, but same idea
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31:10 <rust_collector> much fermented turnip juice was consumed while coding
31:18 * T3sl4 donks arch on the head
32:29 <Ysjoelfir> nom nom nom
33:42 <T3sl4> turnip? i cant afford that
34:58 <coppice> well, that's a turnip for the books
37:58 <T3sl4> well don't that just beet all
39:37 <coppice> we're borschting with puns today
40:05 <T3sl4> don't get all souped up about it
46:33 <arch> :3
53:55 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/TheCriticalDri2/status/1344012591237107713
58:06 <rust_collector> https://twitter.com/bettybluelady/status/1344276433053634560/photo/1
03:20 <T3sl4> i remember my maternal grandpa had a fuzzy seatcover
03:36 <T3sl4> the underside of the seat cover also had a sticker "sit your ass on the bluegrass"
05:01 <rust_collector> I am trying the lbry thing again. it is pretty shit so far
07:24 <T3sl4> good to know
08:16 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
08:21 <rust_collector> I guess it is ok-ish, but it does load very very slowly. and finding things is a bit weird
44:59 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
50:24 <electrohead> o/
52:43 <T3sl4> hi again
11:30 * Ampera hugs electrohead again, I guess
28:21 <electrohead> lol
28:27 <electrohead> hugs again, I guess
28:29 <electrohead> :p
28:56 <electrohead> I'm home for the night, and hanging lower than low, cause I'm exhausted as fuck for some reason
32:36 * Ampera fucks eletrohead's exhaustion
33:30 <electrohead> dude, no
33:31 <electrohead> (lol)
34:15 <Ampera> :/
34:22 <Ampera> gaylord
36:51 <electrohead> says the person who wants to fuck my exhaustion :P
37:42 <Ampera> I'm as straight as a noodle
37:53 <Ampera> perfectly taught until you get me wet
38:01 <electrohead> lol...
38:03 <electrohead> goof :P
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50:39 <DHess_US> "Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. "
51:43 <rust_collector> hmm, I got that when tracking packages a few minutes ago
52:10 <rust_collector> maybe not smf, but they were very busy, try again later
57:23 <T3sl4> yeah, forum's been having confusion this evening
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57:58 <Nothing\> The Last Metroid is in Captivity
58:13 <Nothing\> The Galaxy... is at Peace
58:28 <Nothing\> and you just read that in his voice
58:41 <Nothing\> whomever he was supposed to be
01:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog Live - Well, 2020 Was Kinda Crap https://t.co/VLBMfRs3Hm
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36:38 <Halcyon> Happy new year for 6.5 hours from now
36:51 <Halcyon> Got people coming over so I won't have a chance to talk to you guys until tomorrow
10:56 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I know I'm behind the times, but finally caught up with all two seasons of The Mandalorian. Damn that's good. Can we please forget the sequels ever existed and start over from here?
27:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Sad to say it took me a solid 5 seconds to get this one! But when I did... https://t.co/Qk6xejG2we :Which was quoting: Mark Hamill: I can finally cross this off my "to-do" list. #BetterLateThanNever https://t.co/3rmfEiA3tv
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51:03 <hsn> happy new year to u Halcyon
51:27 <hsn> hope u a wonderbar year
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23:16 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
23:22 <steve30> hi
28:11 <steve30> i'm outside in a city centre on a "free wifi"
42:05 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: This user has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
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09:39 <Kuschelpony> good day
29:58 <hsn> good year Kuschelpony
30:49 <Kuschelpony> still morning of 2020 here... but thanks
32:58 <hsn> do u want me to pop up to u at 12:00 ? :P
33:29 <hsn> its 12:33PM here also
34:07 <Kuschelpony> 10:34 am here
34:47 <Kuschelpony> well im open and honest to say that i never felt much for these ritual of christmas and new year greetings, but this year is even more special
35:25 <Kuschelpony> so anything that i feel is its one ofthese indistinguishabble morning of a short holiday and i want to sent unspecific greetings to all other people here
38:33 <Kuschelpony> so, bread is baked up and i leave for a second breakfast, have a nice day and see youi back later
38:47 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
12:43 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/V0t9WkM.jpg
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16:24 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
19:07 <steve30> I'm now connecte to IRC through GPRS
19:10 * steve30 waves
21:03 <hsn> https://youtu.be/rZDhNZCsz4s < 3.1K indian haters just in first comment :D
22:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Vegemite makes pretty good thermal paste. For a while... https://t.co/6MyZqsPxyC
26:34 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Dan Held: Bank fines since 2008: $330B Bitcoin market cap: $519B Which one is used for illegal activities again?
27:11 <steve30> i should get some food
41:33 <Ysjoelfir> K!
41:55 <Ysjoelfir> it arrived! and OY blin is it guuud!
02:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You have to wonder if 2020 will have a special place in future historical discussions, or whether it'll just get lost in the noise of future Idiocracy?
11:35 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
21:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I uploaded my top alt coin pic for 2020 video on Dec 21st last year. What has #LBC done since then compared to fiat? Few ups and downs, but up another 44% today for a total gain since then of about 700% as of today. Not too shabby. https://t.co/036QTBikbJ https://t.co/XBwccuMyfG
26:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It's new years eve, can anyone think of a better movie to watch to roll over the new year than Idiocracy? Otherwise I'm pressing play...
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38:58 <steve30> I'm back from being banned :)
41:10 <Ampera> steve30, I can fix that if you need
41:18 * Ampera gets the banhammer ready
41:39 * steve30 hides
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