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16:18 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30 and hands some tea with milk
19:58 * Ysjoelfir feels ignored by the steve30
20:14 <steve30> i'd prefer coffee
20:37 <Ysjoelfir> ah. so the purring from the petting and the antipurr from the tea canceled each other?
20:55 <steve30> yes
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38:29 <electrohead> o/
38:52 <Ysjoelfir> \o
41:22 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
41:56 <electrohead> what's good in the hood?
41:57 <electrohead> :p
51:24 <Ysjoelfir> A B230FT obviously?
51:40 <Ysjoelfir> well, that one might be UNDER the hood, and not in it. but meh, details
51:55 <electrohead> lol
52:02 * electrohead offers coffee
52:19 * Ysjoelfir declines because he has already nice tea and Grog
53:07 <Ysjoelfir> but thanks, I appreciate it
53:14 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir and electrohead
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53:31 * Ysjoelfir hugs T3sl4 back, spreading some viruses
53:47 * T3sl4 coughs slightly
55:25 * electrohead hugs T3sl4
55:56 * T3sl4 gives electrohead some virus particles too
56:53 <electrohead> I have enough shots to last a life time, maybe/hopefully I'm covered for now
56:58 <electrohead> we'll find out
57:00 <electrohead> :p
57:06 <T3sl4> that's the spirit!
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37:10 <rust_collector> electrohead, ??
37:52 <electrohead> rust_collector: ???
38:52 <rust_collector> can you send a new pentagram, because I think the other ones have caught fire, and no longer work?
42:58 <electrohead> lol
43:07 <electrohead> you should have quite a few :P
45:06 <rust_collector> yes, I am starting to think you have got a batch of "fake" components. they seem to work ok, but they can be lower spec than they are marked with. perhaps I should run them at lower voltage?
46:07 <rust_collector> well, not these, as they are burnt out.
48:24 <rust_collector> hmm, I have 5 calls from work. that is not always good
48:57 <Ysjoelfir> they probably only want to say hello
49:10 <Ysjoelfir> or ask where that trailer went you were supposed to drop of at that place
49:14 <rust_collector> yes, I guess so
49:46 <rust_collector> but now I am eating noodles. we will see
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02:18 <rust_collector> I guess I am going to work, and see what they are nagging about. have fun
03:15 <Ysjoelfir> have no enjoys :)
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47:27 * Ysjoelfir has paneer mattar
47:31 * Ysjoelfir has enjoys
49:09 * T3sl4 slaps Ysjoelfir with a naan
51:18 * Ysjoelfir already has naan
55:12 <T3sl4> convenient, i don't need to use my own :>
09:37 * steve30 is doing a kiev for tea
18:46 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/6r3TiQP
22:42 * Ysjoelfir wonders how brewed ukrainian ity tastes.
22:50 <Ysjoelfir> *city
27:58 <T3sl4> poopy vodka?
29:25 <Ysjoelfir> ew
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27:09 <steve30> I made a Utreon account
29:46 <Ysjoelfir> Do I want to know what that is?
31:02 <steve30> Video sharing site as recommended by Dave
32:03 <TheDude> idk what it is, but if the name of the thing is some weird mashup of other already popular things, I automatically assume it is shit
32:08 <TheDude> by default
32:48 <Ysjoelfir> so dave decided to not promote libry anymore huh?
33:00 <steve30> He seems to prefer LBRY
34:32 <TheDude> so the lbry thing directs you to odysee.com
34:41 <TheDude> and the videos on there are unwatchable
34:49 <TheDude> it's buffering every 2 seconds
34:54 <steve30> basically Odysee=LBRY
35:10 <TheDude> odysee is an interface for lbry, afaik
35:18 <steve30> yeah
36:52 <Ampera> hi TheDude, how are you doing
36:55 * Ampera hugs steve30 
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38:22 <TheDude> exhausted af
38:36 <TheDude> I discovered a very critical bug in our code yesterday
38:45 <TheDude> just before I went home
38:56 <TheDude> and then I worried for the entire evening
38:58 * steve30 snuggles up on Ampera's lap
39:01 <Ampera> sounds like a perfect time to not tell anyone and save it for the next work day
39:08 * Ampera pets the steve30, feeds him coffee
39:14 <TheDude> Ampera, exactly what I did
39:25 <TheDude> because I didn't want to bother my coworkers with it until morning
39:55 <Ampera> job done then
39:58 <TheDude> anyhow, thankfully the bug didn't actually cause any real problems, so it was all good
40:25 <TheDude> and I managed to sort out all of the fuckups that resulted from it today
40:30 <Ampera> It is depressing how many bugs I write that never get fixed
40:38 <Ampera> and slowly make their way down the thousands long bugs list :P
40:53 <TheDude> do you perhaps recall me telling you how we check our code in SIL simulations?
41:06 <Ampera> I believe you said you had some sort of software emulator
41:13 <TheDude> okay, yeah
41:25 <Ampera> was about when I was telling you about the GPS emulator I was working on
41:31 <Ampera> which I'm actually currently in the process of rewriting, and wow
41:31 <TheDude> se we simulate the vehicle and all of the external stuff
41:37 <Ampera> for my first thing ever in C# I really did a shit job
41:39 <TheDude> but anyhow, when a new function is implemented
41:47 <TheDude> I write a bunch of test cases for it
42:10 <Ampera> are you QA?
42:11 <TheDude> if there are bugs, we work them out with the coworker that is developing the thing
42:12 <TheDude> no
42:17 <Ampera> lol
42:26 <TheDude> we do the work interchangeably
42:30 <Ampera> ah
42:41 <TheDude> the stuff that coworker develops I test, and the stuff that I develop he tests
42:47 <Ampera> honestly not a bad way to do it, it's very easy to get a distant and skewed perspective when you have separate QA and developers
42:53 <Ampera> it does however mean that you can pay QA less
42:58 <TheDude> my direct boss oversees the stuff
43:17 <TheDude> and the three of us develop the software architecture and whatnot
43:26 <TheDude> anyhow
43:37 <TheDude> the test cases are written for new features in code
43:51 <Ampera> I'd say my work has elements of both a flat valve-like management solution, and a heavily supervised task/outcome environment
43:56 <TheDude> and the old test cases have the output traces stored as reference
44:00 <Ampera> We do whatever with a purpose.
44:10 <TheDude> so we run an automated test on the old test cases to see what we get out
44:31 <TheDude> and we then have scripts that compare the old reference traces with the new ones
44:50 <TheDude> so you can check that the new code didn't break the old code, but in an automated way
45:06 <TheDude> anyhow, I improved the function that calculates the tolerance bands of the reference signal for comparison
45:20 <TheDude> and the boss, who is the maintained of that module, ported it in
45:23 <TheDude> except he fucked up
45:42 <TheDude> and regardless of whether or not the new signal was within tolerance, it returned a test case pass
46:14 <TheDude> and basically it was giving us false confidence that it was working perfectly, when in fact the response changed slightly
46:41 <Ampera> Yeaaaah, I've been doing far more weenie hut jr. type shit
46:51 <Ampera> like trying to get WinForms to behave itself
46:52 <TheDude> I wrote a test case to specifically expose a bug that was in the newest feature
47:18 <TheDude> and rerunning the sim with the fixes implemented still gave a pass on that TC, when in fact the waveforms should not have matched
47:20 <TheDude> and they didn't
47:27 <TheDude> and that's how I found out that the shit is bugged
47:37 <TheDude> but here's the thing
47:53 <TheDude> the software that we wrote needs to be checked that it's safe
48:19 <TheDude> because we give the software to the customer in india, which tests the software on real scooters
48:33 <TheDude> so if we monumentally fuck up, somebody could get hurt
48:40 <Ampera> cool
49:02 <TheDude> that's why I was shitting bricks when I found that something was giving us false confidence on past test cases
49:08 <TheDude> anyhow, fixed that bug
49:20 <TheDude> and out of 52 test cases that exist for that project
49:30 <Ampera> must be a small project
49:31 <TheDude> 43 returned fails :/
49:51 <TheDude> they're fairly comprehensive test cases
50:04 <Ampera> our flagship software has probably around 4000
50:15 <Ampera> in the regression suite
50:27 <Ampera> and is also tragically undertested
50:38 <TheDude> okay
50:57 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
51:03 <Ampera> not sure what else I can add to the conversation
51:13 <TheDude> so then adding some time tolerance to the tolerance bands fixed some of them
51:20 <TheDude> basically there were minor differences
51:35 <TheDude> and the rest of them I had to go through one by one and figure out what exactly didn't match
51:40 <TheDude> and recheck that everything was fine
51:47 <TheDude> and thankfully it all was
53:35 <TheDude> also we were scheduled to release a software version today
54:20 <TheDude> and we did manage to do it in the end :)
54:45 <TheDude> but yeah, stressful day, lots of nerve racking fiddling with simulations today
55:21 <Ampera> I banged my head at some drawing functions I guess
55:33 <Ampera> got some SQL things to work
55:53 <TheDude> SQL is something I intend to learn some day
56:08 <Ampera> I never learned it, just used it via reference
56:13 <Ampera> which, in fairness, is how I do all of my programming
56:44 <Ampera> SQL is sort of a backwards language, in that while you have variables and functions, iteration is based almost solely off what you SELECT from a table
56:48 <TheDude> well, engineering in general is like just shitloads of reading of documentation
57:10 <TheDude> and the other half is writing documentation for the shit that you've done
57:13 <Ampera> I wish programming was like shitloads of reading documentation
57:24 <TheDude> somewhere in the middle is a little bit of actual programming and fun
57:35 <Ampera> I'd say programming is an exercise in google fu in a hope to find things you need where documentation never existed
58:02 <TheDude> on a really good day, you go grab the bike in the garage, flash the new software on the controller and go for a ride
58:08 <TheDude> now that part of work is FUN
59:33 <Ampera> For me the fun parts of my work are doing things I've never done before
59:55 <TheDude> well yeah
00:21 <Ampera> in other news, I bought a smartwatch
00:21 <TheDude> researching completely new stuff is awesome
00:39 <TheDude> my boss is nice enough to allow me to dabble in those sorts of little pet projects
00:46 <Ampera> for new stuff, researching is the sucky part, assembling the scraps and shits to make a working product is awesome
00:56 <TheDude> researching and trying shit that we don't immediately need, but comes in handy at a later date
01:40 <Ampera> I've been playing around with .NET 5 which is cool
02:34 <TheDude> which watch did you get?
02:53 <Ampera> Galaxy Watch Active 2
02:57 <Ampera> 40mm, in pink
04:05 <TheDude> neat
04:19 <Ampera> them having a 44mm and a 40mm version is really weird though, like does 4mm actually make that much of a difference?
04:22 <TheDude> a bunch of my coworkers have smart watches
04:30 <TheDude> track all of their sports activities
04:31 <Ampera> yeah slightly larger battery I guess, but, 4mm?
04:41 <TheDude> they used to compare their stats after gym every time :D
05:00 <Ampera> Halcyon convinced me to get it, because he wants to compete in running with me, and like heck and shit am I ain't not gonna let jack shit and/or fuck up like that
05:26 <Ampera> though he suggested a fitbit, I've been looking at the samsung watches for a while as ecosystem and whatnot
05:48 <TheDude> one coworker has a garmin, two of them have xiaomis
06:23 <TheDude> the two dudes with xiaomis are quite content with them
06:33 <TheDude> the coworker with the garmin it not terribly phyched
06:45 <TheDude> she says it doesn't actually track position that well
06:55 <TheDude> which is kinda funny, since it's bloody garmin :D
07:02 <Ampera> I recall Garmin got butt fucked hard by ransomware skids a little while ago
09:48 <Ampera> Anyways, should be here Tuesday, I just hope I'll get enough use out of it
10:06 <Ampera> I'll be exercising more, so I think I'll be able to at least use it for that, but the point of a watch is for it to tell you the time when you're out, and
10:11 <Ampera> well COVID's done away with much of that
10:31 <TheDude> those sorts of watches are apparently also nice to monitor your sleep
10:39 <Ampera> what sleep
10:56 <TheDude> and wake you at the right time by vibrating
11:24 <Ampera> I prefer a loud, irritating alarm
11:50 <Ampera> The sort of thing to get your heart racing first thing
13:14 <Ysjoelfir> I thought that for a long time as well
13:41 <Ysjoelfir> since I have tried the vibration wake up thing with my sleep tracking app and my smartwatch I feel way more awake and refreshed when I get up
14:09 <Ampera> I'd sleep right the fuck through it
15:26 <TheDude> well it can always have the loud alarm backup, if you happen to ignore the alarm
15:31 <TheDude> err
15:33 <Ysjoelfir> You can make that thing realy annoy you if you don't wake up^^
15:35 <TheDude> ignore the buzzing
16:12 <Ampera> Still of a mind to not fix what ain't broke
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17:06 <TheDude> I use the loud alarm and I fucking hate it
17:52 <TheDude> years back I used decent songs as the wakeup alarm
18:01 <TheDude> but I ended up hating the shit out of those songs
18:16 <TheDude> so now I just keep the default noises that come preinstalled on the phone
19:08 <Ampera> I use the stock android beepbeepbeep noise
19:20 <Ampera> which, funnily enough, wasn't pre-loaded on my Note 20 Ultra when I bought it
19:38 <Ampera> so I actually hooked my 1+8 Pro up to Audacity and recorded the alarm noise off it
37:45 <Ysjoelfir> and what did the 9Pro make out of that?
38:04 * electrohead offers beer to the beer drinkers, courtesy of the shop
40:14 * Ampera offers hugs to the hug takers, courtesy of her arms.
40:32 * Ysjoelfir hugs beer and drinks Ampera
41:04 * Ampera travels to Ysjoelfir and smacks Germany
42:35 <electrohead> lol
42:42 <DHess_US> When installing Linux on a VM under Windows 10, there should be a puff of smoke or something.
42:49 <Ysjoelfir> :P
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13:53 <T3sl4> DHess_US, https://i.imgur.com/9TxWoa9.png
14:49 <DHess_US> T3sl4, installed this so now I have Docker, Python, and Ubuntu, https://github.com/JNoDuq/videobench
16:54 <T3sl4> i'm sorry to hear that
19:33 <DHess_US> It is what it is. This application looks to be exactly what I was looking for.
19:44 <DHess_US> Never used Docker before.
21:42 <T3sl4> it's pretty popular
24:04 <electrohead> docker is nice
25:21 <electrohead> and you don't have to use docker for that, if you don't want to
25:24 <Ampera> I don't like it
25:36 <electrohead> however, you'll have to set up all of the dependencies
25:42 <Ampera> Docker, Python, and Ubuntu sounds like a candidate for top 3 things I hate in computing
26:19 <Ampera> Docker isn't as bad as Snap, though
33:17 <TheDude> dudes
33:20 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nesibvfjy4wakpe/screenshot%202021-01-15%2022.33.04.png?raw=1
33:51 <TheDude> I need to get to a terminal because a package I installed fucked everything up and it doesn't respond to keyboard or mouse normally
34:10 <TheDude> choosing root gets me to a terminal, but it won't let me uninstall shit
34:13 <TheDude> what do?
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35:38 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
35:46 <Ampera> root should let you apt remove package
35:59 <electrohead> what package did you last install?
36:38 <TheDude> virtualbox-guest-x11
38:22 <TheDude> I think I might have figured out something
38:39 <TheDude> apparently by enabling networking, it changes the recovery mode to read/write
39:38 <TheDude> there are apparently some broken installations
39:39 <electrohead> out of curiosity, are you reading documentation that had you install that? (just to follow what all you are doing)
39:42 <TheDude> it's doing something now
40:01 <TheDude> clipboard wasn't working, some page suggested that I need to install that
40:22 <TheDude> result: clipboard did not work after that, shit stopped responding to mouse and kbd -.-
41:05 <Ampera> probably because Ubuntu doesn't use x11
41:10 <Ampera> (by default)
41:13 <TheDude> oh :D
41:46 <TheDude> well, I'm a complete noob here
41:59 <TheDude> I'll basically try anything people suggest online and hope that it magically works
44:34 <Ampera> TheDude, what happened to your arch VM anyways?
45:04 <electrohead> ubuntu uses wayland by default nowadays?
45:22 <Ampera> afaik
45:23 <TheDude> Ampera, still there, not being used
45:32 <electrohead> if that's the case, you may be looking for a 'virtualbox-guest-wayland' package instead?
45:43 <electrohead> just a hunch, if you really need that installed, rather
45:48 <TheDude> okay, the things now lets me click
46:13 <TheDude> the screen size doesn't auto-adjust to the host window size now
46:16 <TheDude> :/
49:27 <electrohead> try reverting everything you did up to the point where you were starting to have these issues
50:12 <TheDude> tbh, idk what I did
50:19 <TheDude> that shit was done several days ago
55:40 <electrohead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/GuestAdditions
55:59 <electrohead> have you installed the virtualbox-guest-additions-iso package?
57:46 <TheDude> yeah, I have
09:24 <electrohead> sorry, at work, dealing with customers from time to time :p
09:38 <electrohead> alright so, what exactly are you trying to do right now?
14:23 <TheDude> still trying to compile the petalinux thing for the xilinx board :)
14:39 <TheDude> I've been experimenting with the configuration options
16:41 <electrohead> ahh :)
17:51 <TheDude> speaking of things
18:03 <TheDude> the debian VM that I set up as a proxy server was working very nicely
18:16 <TheDude> I've had it running in the background for like a week
18:33 <TheDude> and spotify was connecting to the internet through it
19:04 <TheDude> and it has been working so well, that I actually forgot that I set that up
19:31 <TheDude> and I was rather perplexed when I shut that VM down and spotify suddenly lost the internet connection :D
20:02 <TheDude> now I just have to wait for the orange pi to arrive, so I can set that up for real and expose it to the internet
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23:17 <electrohead> lol
23:45 <electrohead> I have nothing but raspberry pi's in my place, however I do want to eventually play with the orange pi
23:58 <TheDude> I bought it because it was cheap :D
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57:41 <Halcyon> Morning
59:09 <electrohead> o/
59:15 <Halcyon> What's doing?
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04:11 <electrohead> manning the shop :P
04:16 <electrohead> how about you?
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09:24 <Halcyon> Coffeeing
13:04 <steve30> hi Halcyon
13:16 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
13:35 <steve30> I've been watching The Gay and Wondrous Life of Caleb Gallo
13:54 <Halcyon> Such a good series
14:02 <Halcyon> I wish he made more
16:03 * steve30 should get some toast
32:26 * T3sl4 relaxes after a walk
33:13 * steve30 passes T3sl4 a relaxing cup of coffee
33:22 * T3sl4 purrs, sips
54:35 <rust_collector> moooorning?
55:01 <steve30> hi
56:40 <rust_collector> hey hey hey
56:55 <rust_collector> mr steve30 are you "up north"?
57:08 <rust_collector> or are you in that middle part
57:26 <steve30> Yes, north
57:36 <rust_collector> I tried to figure out where the north and the south is, but it seems to be hard to agree on
58:36 * T3sl4 hugs a few air molecules and sends them on their way towards rust_collector
00:44 <steve30> We are just above the middle bit of England
03:26 <rust_collector> well, yes. But it looks like there are a few opinions on where one part ends, and where the other one starts.
05:06 <steve30> yeah, if you look at a map of england, the "north" is much taller than the "south"
05:20 <steve30> But then the "south" is quite wide
08:38 <rust_collector> but the midlands is in between, or is it part of both?
09:25 <steve30> in between
10:06 <steve30> If you look at a map of England, I'd say the south finishes just above London, then you have the Midlands which go all the way up to Nottingham, then above Nottingham is the North.
10:44 <rust_collector> ok
13:32 <rust_collector> that is interesting
17:03 <steve30> I'm going to bed
17:08 <steve30> good night :)
17:14 <rust_collector> good night
21:01 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 2.334 inch to mm
21:01 <EEVBlog> The result is: 59.284 mm
21:25 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBlog convert 2.656 inch to mm
21:25 <EEVBlog> The result is: 67.462 mm
21:39 <rust_collector> why are you doing these weird numbers?
22:21 <Ysjoelfir> because that. https://www.budind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/hb1952.pdf
23:00 <rust_collector> aha!
23:28 <rust_collector> strange numbers they used there
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> yep....
24:07 <rust_collector> is it 3d printed, so it started out as a sane number, but it soaked up moisture?
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> I hope not? :D
25:13 <rust_collector> good luck, lol
26:22 <Ysjoelfir> xD
27:06 <rust_collector> I notice SOMEONE has not answered a very serious business email... tssk tssk
27:17 * electrohead solders rust_collector to a pentagram
27:38 <rust_collector> neat, I can be current limiting
28:29 <Ysjoelfir> someone must be very sorry :P
28:59 <rust_collector> someone should be. arrrgh
29:05 <electrohead> lol
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40:37 <arch> does anyone know if AAAA (quad A) rechargeable batteries exist?
41:30 <rust_collector> yes
42:24 <rust_collector> i am sure someone also does
42:45 <rust_collector> but those I find very quickly on amazon are weird brand ones
51:16 <Ysjoelfir> I have never used a quadro-A. what do you use those for?
51:44 <rust_collector> you make 9 volt batteries, lol
52:07 <Ysjoelfir> pfff :P
52:13 <rust_collector> there is some stylus like thing, that uses them
52:13 <arch> also for the surface pen i need one
52:25 <Ysjoelfir> what is a surface pen?
52:30 <arch> microsoft surface pen
52:43 <rust_collector> a pen that is not inside, I guess
53:05 * lemming rubs the sleep out of his eyes
53:07 <lemming> morning all
53:08 <arch> i guess i could hotwire it up to a AAA, but it wont look pretty
53:19 * arch squeezes lemon juice into lemming's eyes
53:30 <lemming> mmm, refreshing
54:02 <rust_collector> be careful, he might try to solder your eyes
55:13 <lemming> you mean like "Speed 2"?
55:27 <rust_collector> no
55:31 <lemming> no wait, that's "Under Siege 2"
57:06 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera, interested in working for Signal? https://signal.org/workworkwork/
57:39 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, max from st.petersburg has a new video, if you get bored looking at odd sized boxes
57:57 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
58:09 <Ysjoelfir> thanks for telling me, I probably would have missed it
58:46 <rust_collector> well, it could be that you have more useful things to do
59:21 <coppice> Halcyon: they are looking for android developers, not human ones
00:32 <Ysjoelfir> I'm working, but not something critical that wouldn't allow watching nice stuff :)
00:33 <coppice> Is Signal the one started by the founder of WhatsApp who left in disgust?
04:54 <Halcyon> Heh
05:02 <Halcyon> Coppice: Yep
05:15 <Halcyon> Well, Signal was formed out of Whisper Systems
05:37 <Halcyon> That ex-Whatsapp guy founded the non-profit Signal Foundation
05:45 <Halcyon> Signal was around before that though
06:54 <Dude> jfc, compiling this bloody linux is taking ages
07:01 <Dude> I should already be sleeping now
07:08 <Dude> and this shit is still running
07:18 <rust_collector> go to sleep?
07:26 <Dude> nah, I want to see it finish
07:27 <coppice> stomach upsets are a pain
07:35 <Dude> also the computer is in my bedroom, unfortunately
07:51 <Dude> I'm putting it to sleep, can't stand the whirring of the fans otherwise
08:04 <Dude> I should have given this bloody VM more cores
08:17 <rust_collector> stick a pencil in the fan, it will keep it quiet
08:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekAW1oLVkAY Once again I wonder if Fins are just masochistic by nature. :D Halcyon, can you agree?^^
08:58 <rust_collector> well, you have to be, to live over there
09:19 <Ysjoelfir> xD
09:22 <electrohead> Dude: given that I've had the fans going and going, for some time now, in my back room, without the fans I wouldn't be able to sleep
09:24 <electrohead> heh
09:25 <Halcyon> Hahaha, yes, I can confirm :P
09:47 <Halcyon> The worst it gets here is hot (>90 degree) sauna followed by a dip in the swimming pool in winter
09:50 <electrohead> I could seriously fall asleep in a server rack
11:04 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :)
11:06 <Halcyon> Hah it's so cold that the gas doesn't come out of the bottle
11:40 <rust_collector> it is not cold, if gasoline is still liquid.
11:47 <Halcyon> Heh
12:33 <rust_collector> when that goes solid, you can stay indoors
12:50 <Halcyon> I like their wood fired hot tub
12:54 <Halcyon> That's neat
13:23 <rust_collector> they are pretty popular
13:37 <rust_collector> neighbor has one. they use it all the time
13:57 <Halcyon> I've never seen one in Australia
14:50 <rust_collector> no, but that is a thing you can fix. i guess you would like it on your "cold" days
15:07 <Halcyon> I guess
15:20 <Halcyon> Where I am, in the dead of winter, we might get to -5 ?
15:33 <rust_collector> and it is still a bucket of water you can sit in, in summer, so...
15:57 <rust_collector> right. but -5 is a nice temp to sit in a hot tub, no?
16:17 <Halcyon> The average in winter during the day is about 15 degrees
16:21 <Halcyon> Sure
16:50 <Halcyon> Maybe I'll get one some day, I want to build an outdoor brick oven first
16:53 <Halcyon> For pizzas and things
17:08 <rust_collector> hmm, can you combine those?
17:19 <Halcyon> I guess?
17:23 <rust_collector> .....
17:38 <Halcyon> Mmmmm hot tub with built-in food
17:44 <Halcyon> You might be onto something
17:45 <rust_collector> 
26:22 <coppice> You need one of those floating tea trays the Japanese use in spa pools
31:41 <Halcyon> Yes, but for wine
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42:04 <coppice> they put wine on those tea trays. Not tall champagne flutes, perhaps. Usually those low profile sake cups
29:14 <Halcyon> steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNAmJhg7YKA
39:50 <electrohead> I clicked that, and immediately closed it
39:51 <electrohead> lol
40:34 <Halcyon> :P
40:38 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
40:39 <Halcyon> It's quite funny
40:59 <electrohead> I'm good, lol
41:38 <Halcyon> :P
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20:54 <electrohead> I just found a server rack on craigslist, looking to be around between 35U-40U, for fucking 50 dollars
21:00 <electrohead> located an hour and a half away from me
49:38 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVblog - www.eevblog.tv
49:38 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Fri Jan 24 20:18:27 2020
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04:03 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
02:21 * steve30 throws a snowball at K
18:01 <K> nein! verboten!
27:08 * Halcyon sneezes on Ampera
27:15 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
29:21 <Halcyon> :D
31:28 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.redd.it/kyhnwjwx85b61.jpg
33:04 <Halcyon> Hah
35:48 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/IRLEasterEggs/comments/kwr1sz/i_have_this_qr_code_sitting_behind_me_in_zoom/ hah, that's a neat idea
40:41 <Ampera> What are you doing Halcyon?
41:01 <Halcyon> Watching the Youtubes
41:18 <Ampera> nice
41:34 <Halcyon> Hah! That's cool
41:42 <Ampera> if you say so
43:39 <Halcyon> It's simple, but sometimes the simplest ideas are neat
43:57 <Ampera> oh, I just realized you were talking to T3sl4, I've since blocked him so I wasn't able to see it
44:18 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
44:36 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
44:46 * Halcyon goes for the butt grope
44:54 <Andre> morning
45:09 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIFXLP_5_tk
45:35 <Ysjoelfir> So, my new FFP300+ mask came. Now the cat is running away from me. Anybody know why? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lx0MXom_f3mVBNve0NpalJxOLT4tyhaE/view?usp=sharing
45:37 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
46:02 <Ampera> your cat's a pussy
46:22 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
46:42 <T3sl4> beefy
47:11 * Halcyon cocks T3sl4's fuse
47:21 * T3sl4 blows Halcyon's circuit
47:28 <Halcyon> :P
47:28 <Andre> hahaha
47:41 <T3sl4> or load even, but that would be too lewd
47:46 <K> clear, simple and wrong
48:34 <Halcyon> :P
49:08 <T3sl4> wonder how much that costs. few hundred bucks?
49:19 <Halcyon> Probably more?
49:59 <T3sl4> i know medium/low voltage fuses of that rating are on the order of a few hundred buck
50:01 <T3sl4> s
50:10 <T3sl4> might be low thousands
50:33 <Ysjoelfir> that thing is suprisingly easy to wear. I mean yes, you have a sack made from rubber around your head, and a heavy hose with a even more heavy filter in a bag around your shoulder... but breathing through that thing is actually very nice. way less restrictive than those cloth pieces.
50:49 <Halcyon> Those sychroscopes amuse me
51:54 <T3sl4> aw, there's a jumping spider wandering over my desk lamp
52:38 <Halcyon> Aw cute
53:45 <K> he said "cocks the fuse" gygygygygyyyyhhhheheeheh
54:44 <T3sl4> hm, that shaft seal doesn't seem great
55:13 <Halcyon> On the worm drive?
55:28 <Halcyon> Or you mean the water?
55:51 <Kuschelpony> lol
56:02 <T3sl4> the water
56:14 <T3sl4> you're about a minute ahead of where i'm watching i think :)
56:42 <Halcyon> The worm drive seemed rather bouncy and rough
56:52 <T3sl4> yeah, rather off balanced...
56:58 <Kuschelpony> imagine that this stuff is designed to be worn by an soldier running around while in battle, it MUST be as practicval as possible
57:31 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. Still i didn't expect it to be THAT comfortable
57:31 <Kuschelpony> and congratulations to your purchase
57:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol, thanks^^
57:51 <Kuschelpony> on these i know its about the 4thm most comforatble
58:14 <Ysjoelfir> mrs spouse and mr. cat does not aprove though.xD
58:29 <Ysjoelfir> which ones do you think are better?
58:37 <Kuschelpony> as said, they are just not afraid enough from the virus
58:55 <Kuschelpony> have you already told them about the new mutant with considerabl increased infection risk?
59:02 <Kuschelpony> (sadly no joke)
59:09 <T3sl4> huh, i moved the spider to the top / outside of the lamp, but it wandered back down to the face with all the LEDs
59:17 <T3sl4> guess it likes it bright/hot
59:46 <Halcyon> Werid
59:50 <Halcyon> Wird
59:53 <Halcyon> Weird
59:54 <Halcyon> FFS
00:35 <K> Wierderidoo
01:50 <Ysjoelfir> you mean the british one that was now discovered for the first time in germany - in frankfurt, where I live? yes. but she doesn't seem to care, working in kindergarden seems to make her feel so worthless (you know, they aren't allowed to have much protection at all there while being surrounded with up to 120 children basically being glued to them)
03:10 <Kuschelpony> ouch
03:56 <Ysjoelfir> yep
04:13 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, why the long face
04:21 <T3sl4> oh wait, that's a Kuschelpony joke nvm
05:07 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) EOF from client
05:18 <Ysjoelfir> rofl :D
07:28 <Kuschelpony> well, you have never seen me in RL and i am not inclined to post some kinds of pjotos here
07:33 * Halcyon replaces T3sl4's bootloader with LILO
07:47 <Kuschelpony> i already feel like i am a bad influence to someone :)
10:04 <Ysjoelfir> nah. :P
11:12 <T3sl4> word
12:29 <T3sl4> mmm, quesadilla
12:57 <Ampera> I'm just glad that I don't live in real life S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Ysjoelfir
13:54 <Ysjoelfir> I sometimes wonder if that would be that bad. IF you are well equiped and in rather good shape (which I am definitely not) that could be a very interesting live for someone that isn't very much into social interaction
14:15 <Halcyon> Aww WordStar brings back memories
14:20 <Halcyon> As does Q&A
15:22 <Ampera> Yeah, wiping the brains of each friend you meat off the barrel of your gun as you take his shit would be interesting
15:27 <Ampera> *meat -> meet
15:41 <Ampera> same difference though
17:51 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
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28:00 <steve30> My machine uses LILO
28:48 <Halcyon> Steeeee :)
28:50 Quit: Some_Person ([email protected]) Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in
29:25 * steve30 makes some cheesy pasta comfort food.
29:31 <Halcyon> Nummy
31:43 * steve30 fires a snowball at Halcyon 
31:57 * Halcyon fires some sun at steve30 
32:02 <Halcyon> It was 37 degrees here today
32:34 <steve30> It was raining yesterday. I got drenched on my way back yesterday.
33:51 * T3sl4 cheeses up steve30's coffee
34:03 <steve30> I had to put my shoes on the radiator overnight to dry out
35:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You search Netflix for Idiocracy and you get three documentaries. The flat earth one is fair enough, but two monty python documentaries?, come on! The algorithm is broken. https://t.co/Nrr4NK1Ktm
36:49 <Halcyon> Don't you have new air conditioning?
37:42 <K> shooes on radiator is baaaaaad
44:58 <steve30> yes
48:47 * Halcyon yawns
50:08 * steve30 pets Halcyon 
50:54 <Halcyon> :D
51:10 <Halcyon> You'd make a lovely boyfriend. I love scritches
51:31 <steve30> aww
51:37 <steve30> even with paws? :p
51:58 <Halcyon> Yes
01:01 <Ampera> stop it you heathens, don't you know it makes god cry when you are gay?
01:07 <Ampera> don't make god cry, we have enough snow here already
01:10 <Ampera> it's getting annoying
01:29 * steve30 fires a snowball at Ampera 
01:37 * Ampera fires a hug at steve30 
01:55 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTx9h3Sm29I
26:12 <T3sl4> classic
28:21 * steve30 is cold
28:25 <steve30> I put the AC on to warm me up
49:50 <Ysjoelfir> So....
57:54 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
57:56 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir?
58:14 <Ysjoelfir> I'm fine, though a bit irritated about my recent purchase XD
58:18 <Ysjoelfir> how about you?
58:20 <Ampera> what did you buy
58:25 <K> sausage!
58:29 <Ampera> I'm awake, alive, and excited for steak
58:41 <Ampera> I have some nice top round I'm going to pound, bread, and fry
59:05 <Andre> Lunchtime: I'm making pancakes
59:14 <Ampera> mmm, pancakes
59:22 <Andre> with bacon!
59:26 <Ysjoelfir> No. A russian GP5 gas mask. and I'll probably add a PMK-1 soon as I think it looks a bit less stupid.
59:36 <Ampera> lol
59:41 <Ampera> how much did you blow on that
59:50 <Ysjoelfir> 5€ + shipping
00:01 <K> uhh mr big spender over there
00:05 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
00:30 <K> shipping prolly was more than that
01:00 <Ysjoelfir> indeed it was. 10.90€. Oh, and it ships from latvia.
01:08 <K> oh deary me
01:47 <Ysjoelfir> I just read a bit about filter categories and specifications yesterday, after bavaria decided to force people to wear FFP2 masks when they want to go outside. and since hesse is not less stupid I expect them to do the same.
03:30 <K> hmm, that ffp2 does not look that bad
03:34 <Ysjoelfir> when I read up on that topic I found out that neither FFP1 nor FFP2 masks are even specified to do anything against aerosols or biological/virological threats, and that they cna leak up to 11% of the breath unfiltered. And they cost (at least here) roughly 50€for a pack of five, while even the cheapest 5€ screw on filter for a gas mask protects you a hell of a lot better than any piece of paper in front of your mouth ever coul
03:57 <K> oh.
04:12 <Ysjoelfir> a ffp2 mask is made to be worn once and then discarded, while the screw on filters for gas masks work for at least 240 hours
04:29 <K> > Aerosol filtration percentage: Not less than 94%.
04:41 <K> as per wikipedia
04:55 <K> > Internal leak rate: Maximum 8%
05:11 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it better look friggin cool though
05:19 <Ampera> if not I will be veeeeery disappoint
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> german wikipedia says for FFP2 that the european classification is: leakage: 11% max, median not more than 8%. Protection of at least 95% of: harmfull dusts, mists and smoke. Filtration of solid and liquid particles. protects against harmful substances, which are allowed in concentration of up to 10x the normal
07:35 <Ysjoelfir> you could argue that this says it protects of at least 95% of aerosols. BUT:
08:05 <Ampera> lol I don't even do masks this hard
08:11 <Ysjoelfir> WHY IN HELL would they then explicitly state in the spec for FFP3 category, that the FFP3 protects against aerosols, and in the spec of the FFP2 not?
08:14 <Ampera> I have a thin cloth stretchy bandana thing that goes around my head
08:22 <Ampera> which I wash when I feel like it
09:11 <Ysjoelfir> I had that before as well, as I just didn't care, Ampera. This is also not realy because I'm scared, but more like a "you force me to wear somethign better than a piece of cloth, that is expensive as fuck, but doesn't give it to me for free? fuck you!"
09:19 <K> in my opinion it is foolish to expect mask to filter all and make it 100% safe
09:28 <Ysjoelfir> it indeed is very foolish
09:29 <K> it is better than nothing
09:34 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely
09:40 * Ampera imports Ysjoelfir into NY
09:51 <Ysjoelfir> what do I want there, Ampera?
10:03 <Ampera> we don't make you wear expensive masks
10:09 <Ysjoelfir> ah. nice!
10:09 <Ampera> or any at all in open air
10:25 <Ampera> just cover your face with whatever when you're in crowded/indoor areas
11:37 <K> here masks in public transit and public indoors
11:42 <K> seems reasonable
12:19 <K> specific mask types have not been mandated
12:48 <K> but blue surgical ones are seen less often now
13:17 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/shefftim/50237439138/in/dateposted/
13:19 <Ysjoelfir> german cities start to enforce wearing masks everywhere in some regions. eg. in parts of frankfurt. I am alowed to go on the street without any mask but have to wear at least an FFP1 mask all the time (yes, even in my car when I'm alone!) if I go three streets further.
14:19 <Ampera> I laugh at the people wearing masks in their cars :P
14:22 <K> hm, did they give any reasoningfor this?
14:31 <Ysjoelfir> no. they don't have to.
14:32 <K> mask in car seems a bit wierd yea
14:36 <Ysjoelfir> yep.
14:38 <Ampera> because germany
14:42 <Ampera> fuck you do what you're cold
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> exactly.
14:46 <Ampera> heh, told
15:01 <K> your cold!
15:05 <Ysjoelfir> so when they tell me to wear at least an FFP2 mask... I'll go out with the gas mask.
15:34 <Ysjoelfir> probably even with a hose and a big coffe can filter
15:42 <Ampera> Germany is famous for being a nation of rule followers, which is why their somewhat authoritarian government works so well, while still allowing people some decent liberty
16:03 <Ampera> but that kinda falls apart when you give the wheel to a monkey and start screaming at him that everyone's dying
16:19 <Ysjoelfir> exactly that is the problem
16:24 <Ampera> same thing is happening here, it's just that the government has far less power to control us
16:45 <Ysjoelfir> and especially if said monkey decides to turn the wheel this day to the right, then 10 minutes later to the left and so on
16:51 <K> well, to play the devils advocate here, maybe there was a problem with single drivers "forgetting" to put on their masks when arriving at the public destination?
17:11 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno about that, but maybe?
18:02 <K> in my mind such strict and concrete rules are for lower common denominator of the society, so to speak
19:47 <K> in regular world they have less effect on everyone around them, but in current situation is more sensitive to idiots
20:07 <K> dang, cant spell or type :|
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes, probably. but you would need to have a clear path there. you can't (what germany does) today decide what would have been adequate yesterday and enforce that for tomorrow. you have to have a constant path with clear rules for the people to follow.
21:52 <K> it is a hard problem to solve on a short notice
23:14 <Ysjoelfir> one example: since early 2020 we knew that our school system is not up to the task. german government noticed that this was a problem. did they do anything against it when the infection numbers were low in the summer? no!
23:18 <Ysjoelfir> they just didn't care!
24:24 <Ampera> you could feel the parents getting sick of having to deal with their kids when the government did everything in their power to get kids back into school fast
24:27 <Ysjoelfir> now its 2021, we have the third half arsed lockdown, and again the schools colapse because they can be happy if the most modern electrical device they have is a tube television with a VCR!
24:42 <Ampera> nobody who didn't have to be was back at work when they started getting kids right back into school and insisting it was all fine
24:46 <Ampera> Narrator: it wasn't
25:29 <Ampera> One nice thing though, is the government has been delivering a lot of laptops and computer to school children for online learning, and apparently this has sparked a bunch of new measures to increase fiber installations in NY
26:14 <Ampera> It shows the problem with our school system isn't and has never been a lack of money, it's just run by people who are fucking dipshits
26:50 <Ysjoelfir> simmilar thing here. but we don't do much to solve that problem.
28:10 <Ysjoelfir> I remember my school time. when I left Gymnasium we still had a 8mm film projector in regular use in one of the bio rooms because it was on a half staircase and the big tube televisions with the VCRs couldn't be moved there. last time I talked with my old teacher was like 10 years ago and this was still the same.
28:36 <Ysjoelfir> I can't immagine this school to get anything remotely like internet soon.
28:48 <Ampera> It's depressing here, because people will look at schools with falling apart buildings and students that have to share pencils to take tests printed on napkins, so their first solution is to just give it more money
28:55 <Ampera> so it can be exactly the same thing years later
29:03 <Ysjoelfir> yep
29:04 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/shefftim/50067760316/in/dateposted/
29:16 <Ysjoelfir> same here, only difference is that we don't get any more money.
29:29 <Ampera> That's one of the classic big government responses to anything, just throw money at it and expect the problem to go away
29:36 <Ysjoelfir> because, according to the german school ministry, the schools are in top condition
29:55 <Ampera> that's what happened with Flint, Michigan and their water problem. Insane amounts of money were poured into the city and nothing was ever done
30:04 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, is that a shop you regularely visit?
30:21 <Ampera> because the problem in the first place was some dipshit who discontinued using the more expensive actually good water supply, and just used some old pipes full of lead and depression
30:42 <Ampera> but the fed dusted their hands and said, job's done here, good work team
30:55 <Ysjoelfir> lol
34:26 <steve30> No, I just found the photo and liked the spelling
34:34 <Ysjoelfir> ah :D
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