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52:46 <S711> Me playing MUME:
52:47 <S711> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20378155/mume/video.html
53:09 <S711> Pew.
53:32 <S711> There are still 30 people on at peak times.
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29:24 <Steven> sup
29:52 <Steven> arrived in SoCal day before yesterday.... havent stopped sweating since.
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26:58 <Avatar> that 100 minis kickstarter project ends today
28:09 <Avatar> $2.47M of $30,000 goal
38:46 <Ballig> yeah it seems like it was a pretty successful idea
39:15 <Avatar> I can't jump in, I don't want to paint minis
39:27 <Ballig> basically taking pre-orders and using the money to actually get the moulds to fill the orders
39:30 <Avatar> and I only really want a few
39:34 <Ballig> rather than having to get the moulds up front and then taking orders after
39:42 <Avatar> yeah, very clever
39:58 <Avatar> I'd get the full 100 if I didn't play online for the majority
40:16 <Avatar> but then I'd have an enormous amount of minis that I'd never want to paint
40:43 <Ballig> pay Brunius $0.10 per mini to paint them
41:35 <Avatar> I don't think he will paint 10 minis for a dollar
41:52 <Ballig> what else does he have to do with his time
41:54 <Ballig> it's not like he has a job
41:55 <Ballig> ha ha
42:01 <Avatar> burn
02:08 <Brunius> It's up to 200 minis now
02:17 <Brunius> 219 last night
02:18 <Avatar> brunius will you paint minis if I pay you
02:23 <Avatar> like ballig said
02:24 <Brunius> What quality?
02:31 <Avatar> reasonable quality
02:40 <Brunius> What range of colours?
02:47 <Avatar> what are the choices
02:51 <Avatar> EGA 
02:57 <Brunius> EGA?
08:18 <Avatar> 16 basic colours
08:21 <Avatar> like CA has
08:31 <Avatar> sorry, before your time :P
08:40 <Brunius> enhanced graphics adaptor?
08:44 <Avatar> yeah
12:01 <Brunius> The internet is telling me I should charge you $1200 for 200 painted models
12:07 <Brunius> This doesn't seem quite right.
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13:30 <Mekkis> I already offered, Brunius....
13:57 <Brunius> I should commission paint everyone's minatures
14:17 <Brunius> Seriously, you'd probably never get them back - I'm horrible at getting around to painting stuff
14:27 <Brunius> Leaving aside the fact I have no idea what to charge
16:25 <Avatar> 10c per mini
16:36 <Brunius> That doesn't even cover paint.
16:42 <Avatar> oh, I'll cover paint
18:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'll paint your minis for 10c per mini
19:07 <Brunius> There we go, problem solved.
19:09 <Avatar> are you coming to melb anytime soon
19:10 <Brunius> Mekkis will do it.
19:13 <Mekkis> perhaps
19:16 <Mekkis> when's unicon
19:21 <Avatar> who knows
19:22 <Brunius> Late sep
19:27 <Avatar> is it official?
19:31 <Mekkis> I just hope that cans of spraypaint are cheaper than $20
19:32 <Avatar> that's close
19:32 <Brunius> Knowing my luck, same weekend as the RTR prerelease
19:42 <Mekkis> Brunius, PRIORITIES!
19:49 <Avatar> spraypaint
19:50 <Avatar> cmon
19:57 <Avatar> EGA man
20:04 <Avatar> that doesn't mean 1 colour per mini
20:10 <Mekkis> I can spraypaint in EGA
20:25 <Brunius> Ha
20:34 <Mekkis> I'll just use marking paint rather than mini paint
20:34 <Avatar> I would need a demonstration first
20:36 <Brunius> Seriously Avatar, use blutac to mask
20:48 <Avatar> what does masking mean
21:02 <Brunius> You put down your first coat, then cover some of it before you do the second coat
21:19 <Hydrazine> masking is covering up the stuff you don't want to paint.
21:20 <Avatar> why do that
21:22 <Mekkis> but seriously Brunius, I'd be willing to get you a set of minis in exchange for you painting a set of minis for me
21:29 <Brunius> Tempting
21:41 <Hydrazine> For example, if you were painting a car, you'd want to not paint the windows, right?
21:58 <Avatar> don't you paint the whole thing with a mini though
22:02 <Brunius> Avatar: I use it for camoflauge on my warhammer models.
22:09 <Hydrazine> Not all one color
22:13 <Avatar> oh right
23:18 <Hydrazine> Unless you want all single color minis.
23:34 <Hydrazine> In which case, I'll paint them for you for 10c a mini. Aslong as you pay shipping too.
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38:21 <kapow> so we need to make goblin characters for tomorrow? or whats up with it avatar?
38:31 <Avatar> I hand out pregen goblins
38:47 <Avatar> be warned: we be goblins is super fucking awesome
38:54 <Avatar> is your character level 2
40:15 <kapow> yeah no i default put my shit down for a normal game when i signed up
40:29 <Avatar> what
40:30 <kapow> i just figured it's out it's a level 1 goblin campaign
40:43 <Avatar> no I mean is your regular character level 1 or 2
40:49 <kapow> 2
40:54 <kapow> 1 more game makes him 3 ^_^
41:12 <Avatar> good, you can only apply WBG credit to a level 2 character once, or a level 1 character
41:23 <Avatar> optimal timing for you
42:10 <Avatar> I would've run it today if I knew earlier that brunius' game wasn't on :|
42:56 <kapow> mmmm I'm just happy it's an early game tomorrow ^_^
43:23 <kapow> I doubt it will go past 5 but if it does i may need to pull out at that point
44:38 <Avatar> it won't go past 1 at the very latest
44:56 <Avatar> it's a "short module"
44:59 <Avatar> you only get 1 prestige from it
45:26 <Avatar> you might wish it goes until 5
46:16 <Brunius> Man I still haven't played wbg
46:29 <Avatar> play tomorrow
46:33 <Avatar> we can set up a second table if you do
57:57 <Mekkis> Brunius, are you up for that?
58:27 <Wrothmonk> wbg?
58:39 <Avatar> we be goblins
00:00 * Wrothmonk scrolls up and reads missed chat.
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00:38 <Wrothmonk> I thought the game was in two days?
01:14 <Wrothmonk> Also, from what I am reading, you can play this multiple times and apply credit multiple times if you have a level 1 character to apply it to?
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08:12 <Avatar> no, it's tomorrow
08:19 <Avatar> 21 hours from now
08:29 <Avatar> you can play it multiple times
08:31 <Wrothmonk> Huh.
08:48 <Avatar> check the schedule on the site
08:57 <Wrothmonk> For some reason earlier it showed it as the 26, not the 25. (Current date for me is the 24 of august.)
09:00 <Avatar> the times in the topic are melbourne/sydney/brisbane time
09:10 <Avatar> yeah it's the 25th here
09:25 <Avatar> the date hasn't changed since the first lot of invites went out
09:33 <Wrothmonk> Ah I see what happened then.
09:34 <Avatar> can you still make the game
09:50 <Wrothmonk> It didn't change the time when I first logged into the website.
10:12 <Wrothmonk> Oh yeah. I just got the day wrong.
10:20 <Wrothmonk> Its a great time for me.
10:27 <Avatar> coolio
10:49 <Avatar> what level is your character
10:57 <Wrothmonk> I have two level ones.
11:18 <Wrothmonk> I have a sorcerer that hasn't played anything, and a ranger that has done two games.
12:39 <Avatar> ok
12:45 <Avatar> you can still apply credit to them
12:56 <Avatar> you'd be slightly better off if you could get a first steps game in today
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13:16 <Wrothmonk> first steps?
13:47 <Avatar> yeah I think you've already played one haven't you
13:53 <Avatar> what was the last game you played
14:12 <Wrothmonk> Let me check my chronicle sheets quick.
14:46 <Avatar> go here and fill out what you've played: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/pfs.php5
16:01 <Wrothmonk> K.
16:39 <Dariuas> do you guys rpg online a lot?
16:46 <Avatar> yeah, weekly
16:50 <Avatar> or twice weekly 
17:11 <Dariuas> have you checked out roll20.net?
17:24 <Avatar> yeah, haven't used it yet though
17:27 <Avatar> have you?
17:34 <Dariuas> we've tested it out
17:41 <Dariuas> But not rolled a game in it
17:49 <Avatar> yeah that's as far as I got
17:50 <Dariuas> Fantasy ground still seems to be the most powerful tabletop type
17:58 <Avatar> powerful how
18:04 <Dariuas> ?
18:13 <Dariuas> Fantasy Grounds allows for the feeling of being at a house
18:19 <Dariuas> Dice rolls are done openly
18:23 * Wrothmonk is looking at the website
18:23 <Dariuas> Or in private *(GM)
18:33 <Wrothmonk> This looks awsome.
18:34 <Dariuas> Character sheets are easily shared with GM, and modified
18:37 <Dariuas> Which one Wroth
18:49 <Wrothmonk> roll20.net
18:50 <Dariuas> roll20
18:51 <Dariuas> Ya
18:54 <Dariuas> It is pretty beast
19:04 <Wrothmonk> Theres music!?!??!
19:07 <Dariuas> aye
19:13 <Dariuas> You can play music in dungeons to set the tempo
19:18 <Dariuas> Use web cams
19:25 <Dariuas> Create/use your own maps
19:36 <Dariuas> Use minis
19:36 <Wrothmonk> Mother of virtual tabletop gaming...
19:40 <Dariuas> lol
19:45 <Hydrazine> Nerds.
20:02 <Dariuas> Says the guy sitting in a channel named #d&d
20:10 <Wrothmonk> Lol.
20:21 <Hydrazine> ...Who earlier was calculating how long of a lever it takes to lift 9000lb with 5lb of force.
20:22 <Hydrazine> Yes.
20:32 <Wrothmonk> To lift an elephant.
20:34 <Brunius> So my soccer robot sorta failed yesterday...
20:39 <Wrothmonk> Or smash a kings head in.
20:49 <Dariuas> a 9000lbs head??
20:55 <Hydrazine> Hope not.
21:04 <Wrothmonk> Thats how big his ego was.
21:10 <Dariuas> ah
21:15 <Hydrazine> If you add the crown modifier.
21:15 <Wrothmonk> The king's that is.
21:18 <Hydrazine> Its easily over 9000.
21:25 <Dariuas> Well, I am off to play Kerbal until GW2 opens its gates
21:49 <Avatar> CA can play music
21:58 <Avatar> we've never actually used it because it can be intrusive
22:10 <Avatar> I think we planned on using it for sound effects
22:17 <Wrothmonk> Holly sweet mother of the nerd all mother. Its supported on mac!
22:32 <Avatar> yeah, get onto google+
22:45 <Dariuas> Google + has one too
22:59 <Brunius> Dariuas, was it you that had the two dayz servers?
23:03 <Hydrazine> In case you were wondering, Dariuas , it takes a 1500ft effort arm.
23:09 <Wrothmonk> I don't really give a shit about google +.
23:11 <Hydrazine> Which is impractical for most situations.
23:14 <Dariuas> I don't care.
23:21 <Wrothmonk> Only reason I'm on it is because I wanted a gmail account :p
23:27 <Dariuas> I honestly care less about that then I care about a great many things I don't care about.
23:34 <Avatar> you play a roll20 game through a google+ hangout
23:40 <Avatar> so you don't need skype
23:54 <Dariuas> Tjhere is a google+ hangout app also
24:01 <Dariuas> but I think Roll20.net uses its own cam/chat system
24:11 <Wrothmonk> You mean to tell me, I could use this on my ipad?
24:30 <Brunius> Yeah, but then you need a google+ hangout
24:38 <Brunius> It's exchanging one program for another
25:29 <Wrothmonk> I… Don't know what to say… Besides; WE NEED TO USE THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME!!!!
25:49 <Avatar> have you seen maptool wrothmonk
25:57 <Wrothmonk> Yes. And used it.
26:02 <Avatar> did you like it
26:32 <Wrothmonk> It was cool.
26:57 <Avatar> blergh
28:17 <Wrothmonk> Better than the combat assistant.
29:13 <Dariuas> You are welcome Wrothmonk
29:55 <Wrothmonk> Hey, I don't mean anything bad. But I prefer images to little dots.
30:46 <Avatar> personal preference, it's all good
31:02 <Avatar> I think maptools gives every other VTT a bad name
32:13 <Wrothmonk> I just use what is required to play. I'm more into the game than the display. Still though, the more functionality the better.
32:40 <Hydrazine> Eh. I think maptools takes it a bit too far.
33:19 <Hydrazine> If it does more for you mechanically than playing at a real table does.. It just bothers me, I guess.
33:22 <Avatar> CA focuses on simplicity, the less the better
33:42 <Avatar> only created because having a map was too important 
33:57 <Avatar> the sidebar is probably an exception, because that's damn useful
34:13 <Avatar> but a lot of it is overfluff
34:14 <Hydrazine> I'd never remember what my current HP is without it.
36:01 <Mekkis> I picked up Paths of Prestige
36:25 <Brunius> So Mekkis, I'm considering taking this Model M apart
36:41 <Avatar> what is paths of prestige
36:59 <Mekkis> a book
37:04 <Mekkis> written by Matt Goodall
37:10 <Brunius> Oh god
37:13 <Mekkis> with prestige classes in it
37:39 <Avatar> PFS legal?
37:42 <Wrothmonk> Google is your friend.
37:52 <Mekkis> mostly
37:58 <Hydrazine> I guess maptools bothers me because I feel that it has the potential to change it from virtual table top to something very near a video game, and I don't like it.
38:28 <Wrothmonk> I never thought of it that way Hydrazine.
38:44 <Hydrazine> That by taking out all the people parts, its taking away from what MAKES tabletop gaming for me.
39:13 <Hydrazine> ..Yeah, I was sitting here trying to put all this into words.
39:14 <Avatar> fantasy grounds is the one you have to pay for isn't it
39:18 <Mekkis> yeah
39:22 <Mekkis> and only works on windows
39:32 <Wrothmonk> blurgh...
39:34 <Wrothmonk> Windows...
39:49 <Mekkis> the strange thing is that the classes in Paths of Prestige is that the ones that are obviously written by Goodall are the ones that aren't on the "legal for play" list :)
40:04 <Hydrazine> Hey, we have no need of starting an OS-war, Wroth.
40:11 <Wrothmonk> Sorry.
40:21 <Brunius> Ha
40:34 <Hydrazine> Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
40:52 <Avatar> a motto to live by
41:10 <Wrothmonk> Reflex typing, very sorry.
41:22 <Hydrazine> That, and The Notorious B.I.G's 10 Crack Commandments.
41:53 <Avatar> brunius what is this thing you sent me yesterday
41:59 <Mekkis> wow
42:06 <Mekkis> a full-BAB class with d8 HD
42:07 <Avatar> a day z map of something
42:22 <Avatar> gunslinger is a full BAB class with d10 HD
42:37 <Brunius> Oh, that
42:41 <Brunius> I was messing around with my phone
42:50 <Brunius> I think I either sent you a picture of Cherno or of Stary Sobor
42:57 <Avatar> stary sobor
43:01 <Avatar> I don't know what that is
43:28 <Avatar> I will likely play some day z today if you are
43:29 <Brunius> Big town in the middle of the map
43:41 <Brunius> I will be playing, but I'm in the far north
43:48 <Avatar> how far is that to get to
43:56 <Brunius> 9k?
44:04 <Avatar> how many minutes to walk to I mean
44:10 <Brunius> About an hour
44:13 <Avatar> ug
44:18 <Avatar> I don't know if I can avoid zombies for an hour
44:24 <Avatar> why are you out there, avoiding pks
44:24 <Brunius> It's mainly forest really
44:38 <Brunius> Group I'm hanging with is setting up a camp here
44:43 <Brunius> I was gonna dump some of my stuff in it
45:05 <Avatar> give me the mumble details again
45:15 <Brunius> What mumble details
45:15 <Avatar> I thought you were on illisian but apparently not
45:20 <Avatar> don't you use mumble
45:23 <Brunius> Nope
45:25 <Wrothmonk> Damn I wish I could play Dayz. It sounds awsome.
45:30 <Avatar> what did we use for voice last time
45:31 <Brunius> Why can't you, Wroth?
45:34 <Brunius> Teamspeak
45:40 <Brunius> But I'm not with that group anymore, they stopped playing
45:46 <Avatar> oh
45:49 <Avatar> so where do I go
45:49 <Brunius> This lot uses vent
46:01 <Wrothmonk> Remember? I use mac. As far as I know withought a windows computer, I can't play.
46:13 <Brunius> Can you bootcamp? Or is it a powerPC processor
46:24 <Wrothmonk> Don't have a windows install.
49:06 <Hydrazine> A fair bit of the 10 Crack Commandments are actually keen business tips.
49:15 <Mekkis> install linux and use wine :)
49:52 <Wrothmonk> Already tried Wine along with several other emulators.
50:04 <Wrothmonk> Emulators can't hold up worth a shit with games.
50:07 <Brunius> WINE Is Not an Emulator
50:22 <Wrothmonk> Wait no...
50:32 <Mekkis> Brunius is right, you know
50:39 <Wrothmonk> Not wine, I was thinking about something else.
51:08 <Mekkis> (for the record, I was running Dawn of War over four monitors years before Eyefinity came out - across two different nvidia cards)
51:35 <Brunius> Chill tale, male familial relation
51:39 <Wrothmonk> Wait what...
51:48 <Wrothmonk> CrossOver is Wine?
52:39 <Brunius> Based off it, it looks like
53:43 <Wrothmonk> Ok, from what I am reading here, i don't need to bootcamp linux again to install wine.
54:14 <Wrothmonk> However I have no clue which download I need.
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02:14 <Brunius> Perhaps I'm missing something, but how do I download this library? http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/MouseKeyboard
15:43 <Wrothmonk> Ok… Looks like I have to bootcamp windows to install wine.
16:21 <Wrothmonk> I really don't like the idea of running one OS just to run another OS off it :/
16:57 <Wrothmonk> And I just realized how much ARMA costs.
17:12 <Wrothmonk> I don't believe it can be worth all this work.
17:33 <Brunius> That's where you're wrong.
20:08 <Wrothmonk> How so?
20:21 <Brunius> Is amazing
20:29 <Brunius> I've got probably 200 hours in DayZ alone
20:33 <Brunius> Since May
20:52 <Brunius> When I first started playing, I got 100 hours in two weeks or something ridiculous
21:09 <Wrothmonk> I don't think I have that many hours in both portal games combined over the course of 3 years.
21:31 <Brunius> I have 32 hours in both portal games combined
24:14 <Wrothmonk> 119 hours combined.
24:26 <Wrothmonk> 108 on portal 2, 11 on portal 1
26:49 <Wrothmonk> Speaking of which, I've somehow received a tradable 75% coupon for portal 2. Anyone want it?
27:04 <Brunius> It's part of valve's perpetual testing initiative
27:05 <Brunius> I've got one too
27:38 <Wrothmonk> They are giving coupons to buy portal 2, to people who have played portal 2.
27:45 <Brunius> Yeah
27:46 <Wrothmonk> Oh I see.
27:50 <Wrothmonk> Its for a partner.
27:53 <Brunius> So that you give it to your friends, who then get into portal
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37:09 <Wrothmonk> Quick question, is there a xbox 360 version of Dayz?
37:16 <Brunius> No
37:18 <Brunius> Why?
37:21 <Wrothmonk> Damn.
37:29 <Brunius> It's an alpha mod for a PC only game man
37:39 <Wrothmonk> Oh it would be much easier.
37:55 <Wrothmonk> I didnt know if arma was on xbox or not.
38:23 <Brunius> I can't see the xbox community going for a milsim
39:33 <Wrothmonk> Wait a second… I just google Dayz on xbox 360.
39:36 <Wrothmonk> googled*
40:05 <Brunius> There's a thread on the DayZ forums with someone complaining about a lack of it, isn't there?
40:18 <Wrothmonk> No...
40:26 <Wrothmonk> Oh wait no it was a prank.
40:53 <Mekkis> why would you even consider playing an FPS on a console?
41:14 <Wrothmonk> Google showed the video as "Dayz Goes standalone on Xbox 360 + ps3
41:20 <Wrothmonk> actual title: DayZ Goes Standalone on PC/Mac/Xbox360/PS3 + Ebay Bans Magic Items?! GeekSpeak #16
41:42 <Brunius> Because you're a poor 12 year old that doesn't care the games are overpriced to balance out the price of the console?
42:36 <Wrothmonk> Firstly: I'm 14, Secondly: Mac = price of console Thirdly: I'm not paying for it on the xbox.
43:12 <Wrothmonk> I have leftover xbox points from christmas cards.
45:00 <Brunius> Unless you're buying a preowned mac from 1999, I doubt it's the same price as a console
45:19 <Brunius> (I didn't mean to imply you were 12)
46:21 <Hydrazine> Kids these days.
46:23 <Wrothmonk> True. xbox is less.
49:02 <Hydrazine> "Nostalgia represents an interesting illusion. Through nostalgia, humans wish for things that never were. The positive memory is the one that sticks. Over several generations, the positive memory tends to weed out more and more of what really existed, refining down to a distillation of haunted desires."
49:57 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I had nostalgia over the fact that my computer was under $500
50:13 <Wrothmonk> My iPad costs the same as an xbox.
50:40 <Wrothmonk> Anyway, I need to get to bed.
50:59 <Hydrazine> Man, when I was 14, I had a N64 and a computer with a 500MHz Pentium 3 and like 256MB of ram.
51:43 <Hydrazine> And I had to share the PC with my mother and her insane internet spades addiction.
51:43 <Mekkis> lucky you
51:58 <Mekkis> I had a 120Mhz pentium overclocked to 133Mhz
52:07 <Mekkis> with 32mb of RAM
52:20 <Hydrazine> Fair chance I'm entirely off on the RAM.
52:21 <Brunius> When you were 14, I likely wasn't born.
52:33 <Hydrazine> But I do distinctly remember the 500MHz P3.
53:20 <Hydrazine> That was around 2001.
53:22 <Mekkis> should Grolschmir take levels in Mammoth Rider?
53:31 <Hydrazine> Why?
53:48 <Brunius> In that case, I was five, still living in Pascoe Vale, and entirely ignorant of the internet
53:49 <Mekkis> because some people take issue at rocs
57:37 <Hydrazine> Rocs taste like chocobos.
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59:42 <Mekkis> what do they taste like?
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32:48 <Steven> sup su
32:49 <Steven> p
33:01 <Brunius> My leostick won't program
40:40 <Mekkis> 'damn
41:03 <Mekkis> does it have I2C?
41:09 <Mekkis> or SPI?
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41:23 <Brunius> Not sure; I know the UNO I've been working with at school has I2C
41:27 <Brunius> I'm fairly sure this does
48:16 <Mekkis> is there much boredom in highschool nowadays?
01:46 <Brunius> The unit circle doesn't exactly fascinate me
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04:45 <Mekkis> can a tattooed sorcerer take a bloodline that isn't the arcane bloodline?
11:06 <Avatar> why couldn't they
21:29 <Mekkis> well, they get a familiar as part ofthe whole tattooed sorcerer thing
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41:47 <Mekkis> Avatar, have you been running much in person?
47:29 <Avatar> no, none
47:35 <Avatar> not since I did shades of ice 1 + 2 ages ago
47:46 <Avatar> I'd rather not GM in person, honestly
47:52 <Avatar> I'm not as good at it 
48:08 <Mekkis> fair enough
48:14 <Mekkis> it does take practise
48:24 <Avatar> I didn't particularly enjoy it
48:39 <Avatar> it's so much more fiddly compared to doing it online
48:50 <Mekkis> I feel rather dirty about the fudging of rolls I did last time I DMed
48:51 <Avatar> the people and characters were fine
49:07 <Avatar> keeping track of bad guys and their hp is a nightmare
49:43 <Avatar> if there was 3 bad guys I would lose track of which one had 10, 13 or 2hp
50:08 <Avatar> I think one of those encounters had like 10 bad guys
00:15 <Mekkis> ah
00:28 <Mekkis> what I do is I have my whiteboard on the back of the clipboard
00:48 <Mekkis> I just draw a dot for each of the enemies, with their damage taken next to them
00:49 <Ballig> yeah, a whiteboard and using dice to indicate enemies works fairly well
01:10 <Mekkis> I don't use dice for that, I just keep track of the relative positions
06:03 <Brunius> I saw one DM just write down the damage next to the relevant mini
06:14 <Ballig> post-it notes!
07:32 <Mekkis> that works just as well
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08:06 <Mekkis> (I use the whiteboard even when DMing on CA)
09:39 <Mekkis> looks like I'll be running more low-level stuff now
13:37 <Avatar> I don't understand, a dot for each of the enemies
13:46 <Avatar> what good is that when they move around on the map
13:55 <Avatar> which dot is assigned to which mini
15:46 <Mekkis> you move the dots
16:57 <Avatar> see none of these ways sound solid to me
17:15 <Avatar> talk about CA and we're laughing
17:37 <Ballig> if you use dice instead of minis, you can use the numbers that are facing up to indicate them
18:45 <Mekkis> if you use dice instead of minis, either someone picks them up and rolls them, or someone throws 10d6 on the table and you have no idea who's an enemy and what you need to add up
18:48 <Avatar> players don't like dice instead of minis
19:01 <Ballig> that seems pretty easy to avoid
19:08 <Avatar> I can't say I'm any exception to that
19:11 <Ballig> and I'm sure players don't like it when the GM loses track of his NPCs
19:28 <Ballig> hell, put a mini on top of the dice
19:29 <Avatar> yeah but that's just lesser of two evils rather than a good solution
19:34 <Ballig> that will prevent all those issues
19:47 <Avatar> what if they are large minis
19:50 <Ballig> or get those plastic tokens that you used to see in primary school
19:52 <Ballig> number each one
19:56 <Ballig> put a mini on top of that
20:06 <Avatar> what plastic tokens
20:11 <Ballig> if you forget which NPC it is, lift up the mini to see the number written on the token underneath it
20:45 <Ballig> they're literally small, round, flat, plastic tokens
23:41 <Ballig> http://www.sterlingpromotions.ca/Promoprodct/10112.jpg
23:46 <Ballig> like that, without the "good for one beer" written on it
28:11 <Mekkis> whatever works
25:08 <Mekkis> writing damage on the map isn't a bad idea either
26:02 <Mekkis> Ballig, is it "not like CA" to allow SVGs or bitmaps to represent creatures, rather than just circles?
26:33 <Ballig> I've considered it. I think SVGs would bet he most likely
31:47 <Avatar> what are SVGs
36:11 <Avatar> super VGA
36:15 <Avatar> VGAs
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38:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, Scalable Vector Graphics files
38:20 <Mekkis> I use them when writing chronicle sheets, for instance :)
38:25 <Ballig> images that scale really well
38:30 <Mekkis> that too
38:49 <Ballig> usually you have to stick with whatever size an image has been made at, or else it will look like shit
39:34 <Mekkis> Qt supports SVG natively, which is nice
39:50 <Mekkis> there's a PDP/11 on ebay
40:03 <Ballig> the biggest issue would be that to make it worthwhile, we'd have to find or make a bunch of SVGs that could be reasonably used for the purpose
41:31 <Mekkis> probably not that hard: you CAN put raster data in an SVG (which sort of defeats the purpose)...
41:32 <Avatar> are SVGs just random images that work, or is it an actual format
41:57 <Mekkis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics
42:29 <Mekkis> but programs like inkscape can get a good vector approximation of a raster image
42:39 <Mekkis> especially if it's artwork, rather than a photo
48:03 <Mekkis> Avatar, an example would be http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/map_comparison.svg
48:12 <Mekkis> try zooming into that image
48:53 <Avatar> what am I looking at
49:00 <Ballig> the difference in quality as you zoom in
49:36 <Avatar> okay
49:39 <Mekkis> the top one is the raster, just like a png
49:50 <Ballig> you can see the top one gets blurry and loses detail
49:52 <Mekkis> the bottom is vector, which SVG handles
51:46 <Mekkis> (the top one is a direct export from the First Steps 3 PDF)
52:21 <Ballig> anyway, the reason it would be ideal to use SVGs for tokens in CA is that the map/grid size scales and tokens would need to scale with it
52:40 <Mekkis> exactly
53:46 <Mekkis> ideally, the user could just extract the images from the Bestiary Box Set and vectorise them
54:21 <Ballig> I'd like to offer a token pack as a separate download
54:42 <Ballig> so someone could use it without having to make their own vectors
54:47 <Mekkis> not sure if distributing that would be legal though
55:16 <Ballig> probably not
56:12 <Mekkis> can't you just put a disclaimer "You must legally own the Pathfinder Bestiary Box (http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tj5?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Bestiary-Box) to use these tokens"?
56:59 <Ballig> that would probably be sufficient enough to deflect any negative attention to it
58:02 <Mekkis> either that, or work with Paizo to allow them to sell it
58:47 <Mekkis> damn, I knocked over my neighbour's WAP
59:04 <Mekkis> better plug it in again
59:26 <Mekkis> otherwise they might do a Squirrel
18:05 <Mekkis> If I would make another summoner, it wouls be a First Worlder
18:40 <Ballig> how many summoners do you have
19:21 <Mekkis> in PFS, one
19:46 <Mekkis> plus Nightmare, but that's only because I haven't fully rebuilt him yet
21:36 <Avatar> since he was a synthesist and they are now banned
22:10 <Mekkis> yes. and I know how much you love saying that Avatar 
22:16 <Avatar> :D
22:36 <Mekkis> (notwithstanding the fact that Nightmare was retired months before synthesists were banned)
31:37 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you think that too many of my characters have companions?
50:38 <Mekkis> wow
50:43 <Mekkis> reloading provokes!
50:45 <Mekkis> cool!
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