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02:43 <MekkisScreen> I don't see why shoving a shield at the enemy would be particularly useful in a squad-based combat
03:02 <MekkisScreen> and 3.5 reflects it
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20:59 <spider21b> need help to make a nature warden with only a clier
21:02 <spider21b> cleric
24:48 <N2H4> ..huh?
28:10 <Mekkis> what edity?
40:42 <spider21b> never mind
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45:22 <whitenoise> hai
54:30 <Hydrazine> yo
02:11 <Steven> evil character for my friends home brew done
17:33 <MekkisScreen> is anyone running anything on Saturday Morning?
24:28 <MekkisScreen> CSCDMA is annoying
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28:34 <Mekkis> CSMA-CD sorry
30:16 <N2H4> 0118999819990119715.... 3
34:46 <whitenoise> anybody up to anything interestinz?
55:55 <kapow> playtest got change to the week after i notice
56:03 <kapow> wasn't it planned for this dat? so no?
13:27 <Steven> so.... new season 4 scenario
13:48 <Steven> totally bad ass
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14:23 <Rymen13> hello
14:56 <Steven> got my second character death
14:58 <Steven> woot woot
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22:29 <Hydrazine> 1 minute, 42 seconds.
27:20 <S711> Do you guys have any experience with TinTin++ by chance?
27:28 <S711> It's a MUD client.
27:35 <S711> Figured I'd ask.
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37:31 <Avatar-> :o)
47:33 <Avatar-> oops
56:34 <Avatar> man
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15:49 <Avatar> what the hell is my phone doing
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24:23 <Mekkis> being an unreasonable internet citizen
26:56 <Avatar> this saturday's free
30:40 <Avatar> indeed
32:02 <MekkisScreen> ok, I'll run something
32:18 <MekkisScreen> 11am
32:33 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
32:43 <MekkisScreen> 12:30pm
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34:42 <Avatar> wroth, whitenoise and rymen had serious problems with 1pm
34:57 <Avatar> if you want them in, you'll want to aim early as possible
35:09 <Avatar> everyone was saying 9am wasn't too early
35:13 <Avatar> everyone was saying 4am wasn't too early
38:46 <MekkisScreen> noone asked me
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42:57 <Avatar> I asked everyone
42:58 <Avatar> where were you
08:14 <MekkisScreen> it was too early when you asked!
11:28 <Hydrazine> Hey Sushi, you looking at any of the D&D next stuff?
11:30 * MekkisScreen got an aasimar boon
11:44 <Hydrazine> I am curious to learn of the observations from my peers.
12:23 <MekkisScreen> who's that true neutral nature god?
13:17 <Avatar> there's a true neutral nature god?
13:27 <Ballig> gozreh?
13:37 <Avatar> my aasimar druid doesn't have a deity
13:53 <MekkisScreen> I thought druids needed a deity
14:22 <Avatar> don't think so
14:26 <Avatar> where does it say that
15:12 <Ballig> I think it's a PFS rule for anyone who channels divine energy
15:24 <Avatar> are you sure
15:45 <Ballig> Characters  who  do  not  receive  powers  from 
15:45 <Ballig> a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no 
15:45 <Ballig> deity at all.
15:52 <Ballig> that's from the PFS guide, so that makes clerics require a deity
16:01 <Ballig> I don't think druids receive a power from a divine source though
16:08 <Ballig> but I could be wrong on that
16:11 <Avatar> it is divine magic
21:18 <Ballig> I've always seen them getting their power from nature directly without need for a deity (because that's the cleric's domain)
21:28 <Ballig> but I don't know that the rulebook goes into that kind of detail
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32:50 <Avatar> I actually thought it was quite specific under cleric but didn't say anything about it under druid, from what I remember
34:08 <Ballig> I had thought so too, but I wasn't able to find it
36:12 <Mekkis> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
36:33 <Mekkis> I should bully kapow into teaching me to paint
39:25 <Ballig> are they assuming that you already know how good Bones models are
42:37 <Hydrazine> Mr. Jacobs has said specifically that clerics require deities, and gives an example of oracles or druids who practice ancestor worship.
42:43 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz3zjl?Atheism-Agnosticism-and-Ancestor-Worship-in#3
42:48 <Hydrazine> Man, took me forever to find that.
43:47 <Avatar> oh, I might have had that bookmarked actually
44:23 <Avatar> yeah landruff is agnostic
44:52 <Hydrazine> And again
44:52 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2fjg&page=7?Cleric-of-Aroden-Vs-Cleric-of-Noone#325
50:12 <Hydrazine> And I think oracles rather specifically don't require a deity. They get their power from the mystery.
50:37 <Ballig> I think cleric is the only one that gets it from a deity specifically
51:25 <Hydrazine> this is notably different from your half an hour ago 'anyone who does divine magic'
52:14 <Ballig> what I pasted was a quote from the PFS guide
52:15 <Brunius> Anyone want hundreds of minis?
52:29 <Ballig> my definition of "channels divine energy" is someone who actually requires a deity
52:33 <Ballig> for their spells
52:42 <Brunius> Clerics don't.
52:48 <Ballig> Brunius: in PFS they do
52:49 <Brunius> They can represent an ideal, can't they?
52:52 <Ballig> not in PFS
53:05 <Hydrazine> In base Pathfinder, yes, Brunius.
53:19 <Brunius> Sadly I don't have the $100 required for it
54:12 <Brunius> 138 minis for $100
56:12 <Mekkis> that's old news
56:23 * Mekkis has pledged $185 or something
56:38 <Brunius> Meh, I've only just heard about it
56:41 <Brunius> Thanks for telling me man
57:49 <Avatar> I think it's about time for winter to END now
58:01 <Hydrazine> But Avatar.. Winter is coming.
58:46 <Ballig> no winter is ending
59:06 <Hydrazine> And coming.
59:48 <Brunius> It's ending for us
00:17 <Hydrazine> Similarly, even if its 6:59PM. 6PM IS still coming.. in 23 hours.
00:33 <Brunius> I realise the arguement you're making
00:45 <Hydrazine> I would hope so.
00:46 <Brunius> And I refuse to acknowledge it as valid.
00:53 <Ballig> Hydrazine is just feeling argumentative today :p
00:56 <Hydrazine> I refuse to acknowledge you as valid.
00:57 <Ballig> finding arguments where there are none
01:15 <Hydrazine> Hey, I solved the big cleric/druid deity debate.
01:19 <Hydrazine> I'm celebrating.
01:21 <Ballig> there was no debate
01:30 <Ballig> I already knew it was cleric and not druid or oracle
06:57 <Ballig> guck
07:56 <ducknuckem> hey.
16:25 <Avatar> I just want one or two or three
21:41 <Brunius> Probably pay $10-$15 for 1-3
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30:47 <Mekkis> I toldthe channel
31:18 <Brunius> When
31:32 <Ballig> last night
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45:53 <Avatar> that's too much
45:56 <Avatar> I will just get some lego
47:26 <Brunius> Or we could split the cost
47:35 <Brunius> I will see if I can round up some people
48:04 <Avatar> but say you get 10 people
48:10 <Avatar> $10 for how many
48:13 <Avatar> 13 or 14 minis
48:25 <Avatar> are they all different
48:42 <Avatar> link it :P
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53:30 <Brunius> http://www.reapermini.com/kickstarter
54:11 <Avatar> $636,000 of $30,000 goal
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54:46 <Brunius> What can I say? People are keen.
54:47 <Avatar> what's the deal with the achievement thing
54:54 <Avatar> are they offering more
54:57 <Avatar> or is it just pretty
55:00 <Brunius> Yeah
55:16 <Brunius> Looks like the more gets donated, the more minis everyone gets
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59:24 <Ballig> but are you really donating if you get minis
59:33 <Ballig> and aren't they giving way more minis than you would normally be able to buy with that amount of money?
59:37 <Ballig> are the minis made of paper or something?
00:04 <Brunius> Plastic
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00:33 <Brunius> The price per mini on plastic is low once you've got the initial mold price covered
00:47 <Brunius> Although that's about 20k per mold
01:23 <Ballig> so they can only make like 30 new minis with the half a mil they've reaised
01:53 <Brunius> Not per individual mini mold
01:59 <Brunius> You can get about 10 minis on one mold
02:05 <Brunius> last I checked
02:10 <Brunius> 20 if it's a larger mold
02:44 <Ballig> the next minis are pathfinder ones
02:44 <Avatar> I don't understand why you wouldn't just get lego men
02:50 <Avatar> the lego witch was the coolest mini I have ever seen
02:55 <Ballig> ha
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05:40 <Brunius> Ha
06:14 <Brunius> Avatar: http://www.brickarms.com/
08:07 <Avatar> could be a good Buck in there
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08:33 <Brunius> M1 Garand
08:38 <Avatar> http://www.brickarms.com/Toys/Weapons/LewisGun.aspx
08:47 <Avatar> that's pretty close to how I depict Buck
08:54 <Brunius> That's like 300 years ahead :P
09:07 <Avatar> there is a good front view there
09:28 <Brunius> http://www.brickarms.com/Images2/Products/LewisGun_Gallery_7.jpg ?
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13:23 <Avatar> more like mine
15:33 <Steven> TITTIES!
15:34 <Ballig> steve-o
15:41 <Steven> i mean hi
15:43 <Avatar> Steven GM a game
15:47 <Steven> right now?
15:49 <Avatar> no
15:51 <Avatar> schedule one
16:31 <Steven> I am completely unavailable for one this week
16:53 <Steven> then i will be down in california
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17:07 <Steven> which i wont have a schedule for the first week
17:10 <Avatar> it doesn't have to be this week
17:14 <Avatar> just pick a date and we'll lock it in
17:15 <Steven> after that i might be available
17:25 <Avatar> we want to see your skillz
18:00 <Steven> !throw 1d20+23 GM skill
18:01 <diebot> Steven, GM skill: [1d20=1] 24
18:07 <Steven> I got a 24...
18:12 <Avatar> yeah lucky you had that modifier
18:14 * Steven flexs
18:50 <Steven> I dunno how long imma be down in california, im going to go chop wood for my grandma, do some chores for her to help her get ready for winter
19:00 <Steven> visit the redwood forest
19:10 <Steven> visit my relatives in LA
19:15 <Steven> and then comming back up
19:28 <Steven> might be down there for a month
19:35 <Steven> maybe more
20:13 <Steven> I'll get some maps set up.
20:24 <Avatar> alright when you get back
20:53 <Steven> while im away for sure, that way when i get back up i can GM for sure real easy
22:07 <Steven> what level you figure?
22:12 <Steven> <5?
22:23 <Avatar> probably
22:41 <Avatar> one of wrothmonk or whitenoise or rymen have a level 3 character
22:53 <Avatar> oh sorry, rymen has 5 characters
23:01 <Avatar> he played a level 1 the other day, I have no idea what his others are
24:32 <Steven> well, depending on what comes out, we might get ourselves a season 4 and wreck peoples
25:52 <Avatar> ops
26:00 <Steven> also, if you guys havent gotten the book, i really suggest Ultimate Equipment
26:10 <Steven> Its pretty freakin awesome
27:26 <Avatar> reaaally
27:45 <Steven> yeah, i bought the book
27:48 <Steven> its that good
28:04 <Steven> its replaced adventurers Armory
28:06 <Steven> completely
29:34 <Brunius> Not much to replace tbh
29:37 <Steven> ill prep 4-1 and 4-2
29:58 <Steven> 1-5 and 3-7 level teirs
30:04 <Avatar> adventurer's armory had a lot of good shit in it
31:14 <Steven> yeah, its a book the size of the APG/Ultimates
33:46 <Mekkis> hey
35:05 <Steven> everytime i look at the book its got some new piece of bling in it that i didnt notice before
35:58 <Steven> it kind of annoys me that it takes them so long to go from physical copy to PDF
36:12 <Steven> since i know how long it actually takes to scan a book into digital format
36:18 <Avatar> the size of the APG and the ultimates differ
36:20 <Avatar> which is it
36:56 <Steven> around that size
37:11 <Ballig> hey
37:12 <Avatar> 'yes'
37:25 <Steven> Its the only physical copy of these that i own, all my other books are digital
38:04 <Mekkis> it's a bal lig!
38:17 <Brunius> as opposed to a bal rog
38:52 <Ballig> or a bal or
39:03 <Steven> but its an actual book
39:21 <Steven> that you could beat somebody with and have some success
41:15 <Steven> i never told you guys what sam got me for my birthday
41:20 <Steven> i mean other then sex
41:30 <Steven> she got me some headphones that are pretty awesome
41:44 <Steven> and told me if she ever has to listen to clutch again shes gonna punch me in the dick
41:51 <Steven> not the balls... just the dick
42:17 <Steven> how mean is that shit?
43:58 <Mekkis> yeah
45:38 <Avatar> sounds kind of appropriate if your relationship is based on sex
46:28 <Brunius> Mekkis: Essentially how to paint: Don't screw anything up
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47:16 <Steven> nah, its based on mutual respect and understanding...
47:37 * Steven looks as if he is straining to keep a straight face...
48:35 <Ballig> anything?
49:04 <Steven> and whats the deal with sengoku basara... this show seems like a total bro rape anime
51:25 <Mekkis> Brunius, I can do that already
51:38 <Mekkis> unfortunately, I want to also have painted minis at the end!
53:05 <Steven> thats it... time to watch some crappy horror movie
58:30 <Ballig> just spray paint them all yellow
02:07 <Brunius> Ballig, people do that
02:23 <Brunius> For Warhammer tournaments, people used to do a basecoat of one colour
02:31 <Brunius> mask part, spray another colour
02:39 <Brunius> mask another part, spray the third colour
02:46 <Brunius> Bam, tournament legal minis
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03:22 <Ballig> ha
03:32 <Ballig> why do tournaments care if your minis are painted?
03:41 <Ballig> so you can identify armies?
03:58 <Brunius> The GW ones had/have a 3 colour rule
04:05 <Brunius> because then you have to buy paints
04:08 <Brunius> (off GW)
04:14 <Brunius> And they make a profit off that
04:35 <Ballig> so not to identify armies?
04:40 <Brunius> not really
04:49 <Brunius> you can paint your space marines bright pink if you want
04:49 <Ballig> how do you know which army is yours
04:59 <Ballig> yeah but then you know that your marines are the bright pink ones
05:13 <Brunius> Because you painted them bright pink?
05:40 <Ballig> do you have bright pink marines
05:43 <Brunius> Nope
05:51 <Brunius> I have olive and khaki imperial guard
09:41 <Brunius> (It's the most uninventive scheme ever)
15:53 <Brunius> Man, double physics then double methods
15:59 <Brunius> Tomorrow is gonna be a fun day
16:16 <Mekkis> Ballig, you know which minis are yours because you spent a lot of money on them, and you don't want to lose sight of them :)
16:29 <Mekkis> same way you know which magic cards are yours
24:55 <Avatar> I remember when I didn't have to work 
27:26 <MincedSushi> Hydrazine: I read it already 
28:02 <Avatar> does anyone have a link to where we can reliably get those rules
28:05 <Avatar> so we can link it on the site
28:08 <MincedSushi> And honestly I love the conept of specializations and what not. It provides for really interesting setups
28:19 <MincedSushi> yes hold on
28:42 <MincedSushi> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dndnext.aspx
29:29 <MincedSushi> Anyway, the overall classes taste meh after pathfinders approach of ever level gives you something
29:46 <MincedSushi> And the equipment is terrible...
30:19 <MincedSushi> I would think since this is only playtest that the equipment will change but for now the entire system is unapealing to me
30:51 <MincedSushi> Other than the fact that there are now finesse weapons that use dex without the need for feats
31:21 <MincedSushi> That's really nice ^^
39:07 <N2H4> Actually, I think I like the idea of simplifying weapons down some.
39:26 <N2H4> the crit change, I would bet, does more help to players than harm.
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39:37 <MincedSushi> That's true
39:44 <MincedSushi> I was more worried about the armors though
39:45 <Avatar> it's the system we need to test with it though
39:49 <Avatar> you can't expect overfluff
39:54 <N2H4> And goes towards limited the scaling issues that a crit range focused build can get to.
40:06 <MincedSushi> That's why I expect it will change since they are working on classes more
40:37 <N2H4> But I think I am a big fan of the options for defensive characters.
40:49 <N2H4> Parry, guardian, hold the line, protect..
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43:58 <MincedSushi> I'm going to reserv full judgement but as of now I'm not fond of it, and will stick to Pathfinder.
44:23 <Avatar> I'll admit I'm still heavily on the pathfinder side as well
49:30 <MincedSushi> Honestly I just want pathfinder to get mroe prestige classes T_T
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55:05 <MincedSushi> Hey Rymen
55:34 <Rymen13> hey
55:50 <Rymen13> looking for avatar is he here?
56:08 <MincedSushi> Yep ^^
56:23 <Rymen13> ok i need my chronicle sheet
56:54 <Rymen13> ive been trying to get him via google chat but it seems to tell me too late
57:28 <MincedSushi> He was just here
57:39 <MincedSushi> So it shouldn't be much of troubles
57:42 <Rymen13> ok
58:57 <Rymen13> when he gets one tell him to send it to [email protected] ok?
59:23 <Avatar> You are sharing a file (138.5 KB) with Rymen
59:23 <Avatar> 219-Sara-20120812_40828-5.pdf Rymen declined the offer
59:33 <Rymen13> oh i did?
59:52 <Rymen13> it didnt ask me
00:05 <Avatar> how about now, on irc
00:44 <Avatar> there we go
00:48 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
00:48 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=3,2] 5
00:52 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
00:53 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=2,3] 5
00:54 <Rymen13> ok got it
00:55 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
00:55 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=3,1] 4
00:57 <whitenoise> hm
01:02 <whitenoise> low average.
01:11 <whitenoise> !roll 1d8
01:11 <dicebot> whitenoise, 1d8: [1d8=3] 3
01:18 <whitenoise> the bot hates high rolls.
01:20 <Avatar> 2d4 is better than 1d8
01:22 <Avatar> gotta run
01:25 <whitenoise> oya?
01:27 <whitenoise> i see
01:31 <whitenoise> see ya Avatar 
02:30 <Rymen13> ok thanks
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06:09 <Avatar-> :o)
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19:08 <Avatar-> ug
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28:31 <Mekkis>  would anyone be up for a bunch of short, one-encounter sessions at 10th level?
29:14 <N2H4> because I enjoy that  highly defensive role in gaming, and I have felt rather annoyed that the potential for this style of gameplay feels lacking.
33:52 <Mekkis> I don't have context
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15:44 <Avatar> seems appealing, but I'm inclined to decline
45:28 <whitenoise> hai
54:36 <Hydrazine> yo
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08:01 <whitenoise> hilo
11:23 <MekkisScreen> olih
12:33 <whitenoise> how does one take an archetype? is that something you do from the beginning?
12:38 <whitenoise> or do you have to have levels under you, or what
25:41 <MekkisScreen> You should declare it as you take the first level of the affected class
26:47 <whitenoise> ah, so its like different versions of a base class.
27:29 <whitenoise> and as you level, you swap the applicable skills for the archetype you are.
27:32 <whitenoise> makes sense, but i was confused.
27:40 <whitenoise> i thought it was something you leveled into, like a prestige class.
29:53 <N2H4> you should decide it at level 1.
30:14 <N2H4> but you have the option to wait until the first archetype ability differs from the base class, whenever that is.
34:48 <whitenoise> righto
34:52 <whitenoise> anybody up to anything interestinz?
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14:29 <Rymen13> hello
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22:35 <Hydrazine> 1 minute, 42 seconds.
41:27 <Steven> yo
44:41 <MekkisScreen> yo
44:48 <MekkisScreen> I killed kyra
44:51 <MekkisScreen> twice
45:00 <MekkisScreen> now she needs resurrection
45:19 <MekkisScreen> but she's now a free-willed spectre!
47:15 <Steven> ...
47:26 <Steven> kyra is a whore
47:41 <Steven> whenever we play with a premade...
47:56 <whitenoise> what is kyra
48:18 <Steven> we always steal 'all' of their gear to make ourselves more impressive
48:19 <Steven> lol
49:26 <N2H4> Kyra is the name of a pregenerated cleric.
49:33 <whitenoise> ah
49:38 <N2H4> Who I think is the most common pick when a pregen is needed to fill the table.
49:50 <N2H4> So we make jokes about her.
50:02 <Steven> usually we pick ezran unless we need a healer
50:19 <Steven> he prepares a lot of haste, grease, a glitterdust
50:30 <Steven> and then he tries to find traps lol
52:15 <MekkisScreen> She took 8 negative levels
52:26 <MekkisScreen> then her creator was killed
54:53 <whitenoise> woohoo
55:09 <whitenoise> I was trying to reset a password and couldn't remember who I entered as my "favorite comic book hero" since I don't even read comic books
55:15 <whitenoise> but I guessed the right one, finally.
02:08 <MekkisScreen> how does a rogue deal with incorporeal undead?
02:43 <Steven> weapon blanch ghost salts
03:07 <MekkisScreen> does that let you sneak attack?
03:10 <Steven> no
03:19 <MekkisScreen> how does that help?
03:20 <Steven> but you will be doing full damage
03:53 <MekkisScreen> so 1d6+2 rather than 1d3+1?
04:34 <Steven> yup
05:07 <MekkisScreen> how does that help
05:13 <Steven> its damage.
05:32 <MekkisScreen> no it isn't
05:34 <Steven> not every class is going to be 100% useful every time.
05:48 <MekkisScreen> because then it level drains you and gets its hp back
06:07 <MekkisScreen> ah, but if a class is 100% useless, it's a problem
06:11 <Steven> well, that will teach them to get up close and personal with incoporeal creatures.
06:33 <N2H4> that'll teach em for playing a rogue!
06:38 <Steven> casters vs magic immune constructs
06:51 <MekkisScreen> glitterdust
06:54 <MekkisScreen> acid arrow
07:02 <MekkisScreen> acid splash?
07:10 <Steven> oh no they are reduced in usefullness...
07:26 <MekkisScreen> they're not useless
07:45 <Steven> who gives a shit, if you building a character you arent going to be 100% every time
08:00 <Steven> if people cant deal with that, dont play the game.
09:34 <Steven> rogues are usually pretty gimped till somebody throws traps at you, tanks are gimped when you throw an incoporeal creature at them and all their heavy armor means shit, casters get shafted when theres an antimagic field/magic immune construct around
09:51 <Steven> its why theres a group of people, and not just one.
10:47 <N2H4> this is pretty much precisely why I think the system encourages people to specialize and get very strong at one aspect.
11:03 <Steven> because otherwise we would all be playing some bastardized multiclassed rogue/monk/cleric/wizard/mystic thurge build so we could handle everything
11:06 <MekkisScreen> it doesn't
12:28 <MekkisScreen> wizards don't specialise, most fighters/rangers/paladins are passable at most tasks, summoners don't specialise, druids  can generally deal with everything
12:49 <Steven> summoners ARE specialized
13:09 <Steven> at being douchy
13:12 <Steven> lol
13:29 <MekkisScreen> that's just trolling
13:37 <N2H4> Hes good at that.
13:38 <Steven> accurate trolling lol
13:56 <Steven> its true i have like a +23 to my troll skill
14:20 <Steven> five times per day i can act as if my trolling skill is a nat 20
14:44 <Steven> so, little known fact
15:19 <Steven> mike brock said if he had been campaign coordinator when the APG came out, summoners would never have been legal.
15:58 <N2H4> Gary Gygax said that if he knew this Steven guy was going to be playing stuff based on his game, he would've just stuck his face in the blender and called it a day.
16:15 <Steven> fucker would have deserved it to!
16:19 <Steven> COUTNER TROLL!
16:24 <Steven> counter even
18:51 <N2H4> We used to tell the 4E fans that the release of 4E is what killed Gary Gygax. I think it proves exactly the point about 4E that thet believed it.
19:21 <Steven> arent you guys doing dnd next today?
19:35 <whitenoise> next today?
19:50 <Steven> D&D:Next
19:52 <Steven> today
19:52 <whitenoise> is that Australian for tomorrow?
20:11 <whitenoise> ohhh
20:17 <whitenoise> I see.
20:25 <Steven> nope tomorrow, i went to the schedule
21:59 <whitenoise> what is dnd next?
22:08 <N2H4> The new edition.
22:16 <whitenoise> 4th?
22:21 <N2H4> No. Newer.
22:26 <whitenoise> ah
22:40 <N2H4> It looks.. hm. Interesting.
22:41 <whitenoise> so they're starting a regular dnd campaign they're going to play weekly?
23:04 <N2H4> No.
23:18 <N2H4> We're beta testing the new edition.
23:20 <N2H4> Its not finishe dyet.
23:25 <whitenoise> ah
24:10 * whitenoise is dumb
24:34 <Steven> WOOOOOOT i didnt say something dickish!
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25:27 <N2H4> I think I'm fond of some of the overall ideals, but not sure about the whole thing yet.
26:21 <N2H4> I definately like the move to give a defense focused character more power early on. I don't think holding a shield in front of the bad guys is that effective early in.
31:50 <Steven> hey wheres mort?
31:58 <Steven> havent seen her for like weeks now
32:20 * N2H4 shrugs.
32:22 <Mekkis> she doesn't want to talk to you
33:45 <Steven> ahhhh sweet... took long enough!
33:48 <Steven> oh mekkis
33:52 <Steven> sam says hi
34:15 <Steven> im not understanding why specifically shes saying hi to you, but whatever
37:40 <N2H4> maybe theres something you don't know about.
38:09 <Steven> more likely something i wont care about something
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42:17 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean by a "defence-focused character"
42:40 <MekkisScreen> you've pasted that twice, without context N2H4
45:07 <N2H4> a guy with a shield who stands between the rest of his party and the enemy
45:20 <N2H4> the shield is optional really.
45:26 <N2H4> but it fits the theme
51:03 <MekkisScreen> is that comment yours
51:11 <MekkisScreen> or is it someone else's?
02:37 <MekkisScreen> I don't see why shoving a shield at the enemy would be particularly useful in a squad-based combat
02:56 <MekkisScreen> and 3.5 reflects it
11:34 <Hydrazine> Hey Sushi, you looking at any of the D&D next stuff?
11:50 <Hydrazine> I am curious to learn of the observations from my peers.
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20:53 <spider21b> need help to make a nature warden with only a clier
20:56 <spider21b> cleric
24:42 <N2H4> ..huh?
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28:04 <Mekkis> what edity?
40:36 <spider21b> never mind
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02:05 <Steven> evil character for my friends home brew done
24:22 <MekkisScreen> CSCDMA is annoying
28:27 <Mekkis> CSMA-CD sorry
30:10 <N2H4> 0118999819990119715.... 3
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27:21 <S711> Do you guys have any experience with TinTin++ by chance?
27:22 <S711> It's a MUD client.
27:29 <S711> Figured I'd ask.
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15:43 <Avatar> what the hell is my phone doing
24:17 <Mekkis> being an unreasonable internet citizen
25:01 <Avatar> I remember when I didn't have to work 
27:31 <MincedSushi> Hydrazine: I read it already 
28:08 <Avatar> does anyone have a link to where we can reliably get those rules
28:11 <Avatar> so we can link it on the site
28:14 <MincedSushi> And honestly I love the conept of specializations and what not. It provides for really interesting setups
28:25 <MincedSushi> yes hold on
28:48 <MincedSushi> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dndnext.aspx
29:35 <MincedSushi> Anyway, the overall classes taste meh after pathfinders approach of ever level gives you something
29:52 <MincedSushi> And the equipment is terrible...
30:25 <MincedSushi> I would think since this is only playtest that the equipment will change but for now the entire system is unapealing to me
30:34 <Avatar> indeed
30:57 <MincedSushi> Other than the fact that there are now finesse weapons that use dex without the need for feats
31:27 <MincedSushi> That's really nice ^^
39:13 <N2H4> Actually, I think I like the idea of simplifying weapons down some.
39:32 <N2H4> the crit change, I would bet, does more help to players than harm.
39:43 <MincedSushi> That's true
39:50 <MincedSushi> I was more worried about the armors though
39:51 <Avatar> it's the system we need to test with it though
39:55 <Avatar> you can't expect overfluff
40:00 <N2H4> And goes towards limited the scaling issues that a crit range focused build can get to.
40:12 <MincedSushi> That's why I expect it will change since they are working on classes more
40:43 <N2H4> But I think I am a big fan of the options for defensive characters.
40:55 <N2H4> Parry, guardian, hold the line, protect..
44:04 <MincedSushi> I'm going to reserv full judgement but as of now I'm not fond of it, and will stick to Pathfinder.
44:29 <Avatar> I'll admit I'm still heavily on the pathfinder side as well
49:36 <MincedSushi> Honestly I just want pathfinder to get mroe prestige classes T_T
55:11 <MincedSushi> Hey Rymen
55:40 <Rymen13> hey
55:56 <Rymen13> looking for avatar is he here?
56:14 <MincedSushi> Yep ^^
56:29 <Rymen13> ok i need my chronicle sheet
57:00 <Rymen13> ive been trying to get him via google chat but it seems to tell me too late
57:34 <MincedSushi> He was just here
57:44 <MincedSushi> So it shouldn't be much of troubles
57:48 <Rymen13> ok
59:03 <Rymen13> when he gets one tell him to send it to [email protected] ok?
59:29 <Avatar> You are sharing a file (138.5 KB) with Rymen
59:29 <Avatar> 219-Sara-20120812_40828-5.pdf Rymen declined the offer
59:39 <Rymen13> oh i did?
59:58 <Rymen13> it didnt ask me
00:11 <Avatar> how about now, on irc
00:50 <Avatar> there we go
00:54 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
00:54 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=3,2] 5
00:58 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
00:59 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=2,3] 5
01:00 <Rymen13> ok got it
01:01 <whitenoise> !roll 2d4
01:01 <dicebot> whitenoise, 2d4: [2d4=3,1] 4
01:03 <whitenoise> hm
01:07 <whitenoise> low average.
01:17 <whitenoise> !roll 1d8
01:17 <dicebot> whitenoise, 1d8: [1d8=3] 3
01:24 <whitenoise> the bot hates high rolls.
01:26 <Avatar> 2d4 is better than 1d8
01:28 <Avatar> gotta run
01:31 <whitenoise> oya?
01:33 <whitenoise> i see
01:37 <whitenoise> see ya Avatar 
02:36 <Rymen13> ok thanks
06:15 <Avatar-> :o)
19:14 <Avatar-> ug
29:20 <N2H4> because I enjoy that  highly defensive role in gaming, and I have felt rather annoyed that the potential for this style of gameplay feels lacking.
33:58 <Mekkis> I don't have context
40:58 <Avatar-> ug
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52:13 <Brunius> Anyone want hundreds of minis?
53:14 <Brunius> Sadly I don't have the $100 required for it
54:06 <Brunius> 138 minis for $100
56:05 <Mekkis> that's old news
56:16 * Mekkis has pledged $185 or something
56:33 <Brunius> Meh, I've only just heard about it
56:39 <Brunius> Thanks for telling me man
11:59 <Rymen13> hello
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30:41 <Mekkis> I toldthe channel
31:14 <Brunius> When
31:26 <Ballig> last night
54:59 Topic for #d&d is: DnDN: Sat 25th 11am || PFS: Sun 26th 9am (Avatar,WBG) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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59:08 <Avatar> advanced race guide has an item that lets you 'eat' potions underwater
00:04 <Avatar> UE isn't actually out yet is it
00:18 <Avatar> how did you see what was in it
00:33 <Brunius> Dude
00:34 <Brunius> It is out
00:34 <Steven> my friend walter got two of them
00:43 <Steven> one for him and one for me
00:46 <Avatar> aug 23
08:07 <whitenoise> hilo
11:29 <MekkisScreen> olih
12:39 <whitenoise> how does one take an archetype? is that something you do from the beginning?
12:44 <whitenoise> or do you have to have levels under you, or what
25:47 <MekkisScreen> You should declare it as you take the first level of the affected class
26:39 <Hydrazine> Its back!
26:52 <whitenoise> ah, so its like different versions of a base class.
27:35 <whitenoise> and as you level, you swap the applicable skills for the archetype you are.
27:38 <whitenoise> makes sense, but i was confused.
27:46 <whitenoise> i thought it was something you leveled into, like a prestige class.
28:07 <MekkisScreen> kuoh no
29:59 <N2H4> you should decide it at level 1.
30:20 <N2H4> but you have the option to wait until the first archetype ability differs from the base class, whenever that is.
34:23 <MekkisScreen> Oh no
34:54 <whitenoise> righto
40:13 <Rymen13> hello
47:57 <whitenoise> heylo everybody
48:25 <MekkisScreen> hi
49:47 <whitenoise> how do magus and bard compare?
05:08 <Hydrazine> Hey Mekkis, what do you think of the Next stuff?
18:44 <MekkisScreen> it exists
41:32 <Steven> yo
44:47 <MekkisScreen> yo
44:54 <MekkisScreen> I killed kyra
44:57 <MekkisScreen> twice
45:05 <MekkisScreen> now she needs resurrection
45:25 <MekkisScreen> but she's now a free-willed spectre!
47:21 <Steven> ...
47:32 <Steven> kyra is a whore
47:47 <Steven> whenever we play with a premade...
48:02 <whitenoise> what is kyra
48:24 <Steven> we always steal 'all' of their gear to make ourselves more impressive
48:25 <Steven> lol
49:32 <N2H4> Kyra is the name of a pregenerated cleric.
49:39 <whitenoise> ah
49:44 <N2H4> Who I think is the most common pick when a pregen is needed to fill the table.
49:56 <N2H4> So we make jokes about her.
50:08 <Steven> usually we pick ezran unless we need a healer
50:25 <Steven> he prepares a lot of haste, grease, a glitterdust
50:36 <Steven> and then he tries to find traps lol
52:21 <MekkisScreen> She took 8 negative levels
52:32 <MekkisScreen> then her creator was killed
54:59 <whitenoise> woohoo
55:15 <whitenoise> I was trying to reset a password and couldn't remember who I entered as my "favorite comic book hero" since I don't even read comic books
55:20 <whitenoise> but I guessed the right one, finally.
02:14 <MekkisScreen> how does a rogue deal with incorporeal undead?
02:49 <Steven> weapon blanch ghost salts
03:13 <MekkisScreen> does that let you sneak attack?
03:16 <Steven> no
03:25 <MekkisScreen> how does that help?
03:26 <Steven> but you will be doing full damage
03:59 <MekkisScreen> so 1d6+2 rather than 1d3+1?
04:40 <Steven> yup
05:13 <MekkisScreen> how does that help
05:19 <Steven> its damage.
05:38 <MekkisScreen> no it isn't
05:40 <Steven> not every class is going to be 100% useful every time.
05:54 <MekkisScreen> because then it level drains you and gets its hp back
06:13 <MekkisScreen> ah, but if a class is 100% useless, it's a problem
06:17 <Steven> well, that will teach them to get up close and personal with incoporeal creatures.
06:39 <N2H4> that'll teach em for playing a rogue!
06:44 <Steven> casters vs magic immune constructs
06:57 <MekkisScreen> glitterdust
07:00 <MekkisScreen> acid arrow
07:08 <MekkisScreen> acid splash?
07:16 <Steven> oh no they are reduced in usefullness...
07:32 <MekkisScreen> they're not useless
07:51 <Steven> who gives a shit, if you building a character you arent going to be 100% every time
08:06 <Steven> if people cant deal with that, dont play the game.
09:40 <Steven> rogues are usually pretty gimped till somebody throws traps at you, tanks are gimped when you throw an incoporeal creature at them and all their heavy armor means shit, casters get shafted when theres an antimagic field/magic immune construct around
09:57 <Steven> its why theres a group of people, and not just one.
10:53 <N2H4> this is pretty much precisely why I think the system encourages people to specialize and get very strong at one aspect.
11:09 <Steven> because otherwise we would all be playing some bastardized multiclassed rogue/monk/cleric/wizard/mystic thurge build so we could handle everything
11:12 <MekkisScreen> it doesn't
12:34 <MekkisScreen> wizards don't specialise, most fighters/rangers/paladins are passable at most tasks, summoners don't specialise, druids  can generally deal with everything
12:55 <Steven> summoners ARE specialized
13:15 <Steven> at being douchy
13:18 <Steven> lol
13:35 <MekkisScreen> that's just trolling
13:43 <N2H4> Hes good at that.
13:44 <Steven> accurate trolling lol
14:02 <Steven> its true i have like a +23 to my troll skill
14:26 <Steven> five times per day i can act as if my trolling skill is a nat 20
14:50 <Steven> so, little known fact
15:25 <Steven> mike brock said if he had been campaign coordinator when the APG came out, summoners would never have been legal.
16:04 <N2H4> Gary Gygax said that if he knew this Steven guy was going to be playing stuff based on his game, he would've just stuck his face in the blender and called it a day.
16:21 <Steven> fucker would have deserved it to!
16:25 <Steven> COUTNER TROLL!
16:30 <Steven> counter even
18:57 <N2H4> We used to tell the 4E fans that the release of 4E is what killed Gary Gygax. I think it proves exactly the point about 4E that thet believed it.
19:27 <Steven> arent you guys doing dnd next today?
19:41 <whitenoise> next today?
19:56 <Steven> D&D:Next
19:58 <Steven> today
19:58 <whitenoise> is that Australian for tomorrow?
20:17 <whitenoise> ohhh
20:23 <whitenoise> I see.
20:31 <Steven> nope tomorrow, i went to the schedule
22:05 <whitenoise> what is dnd next?
22:14 <N2H4> The new edition.
22:22 <whitenoise> 4th?
22:27 <N2H4> No. Newer.
22:32 <whitenoise> ah
22:46 <N2H4> It looks.. hm. Interesting.
22:47 <whitenoise> so they're starting a regular dnd campaign they're going to play weekly?
23:10 <N2H4> No.
23:24 <N2H4> We're beta testing the new edition.
23:26 <N2H4> Its not finishe dyet.
23:31 <whitenoise> ah
24:16 * whitenoise is dumb
24:40 <Steven> WOOOOOOT i didnt say something dickish!
25:33 <N2H4> I think I'm fond of some of the overall ideals, but not sure about the whole thing yet.
26:27 <N2H4> I definately like the move to give a defense focused character more power early on. I don't think holding a shield in front of the bad guys is that effective early in.
31:56 <Steven> hey wheres mort?
32:04 <Steven> havent seen her for like weeks now
32:26 * N2H4 shrugs.
32:28 <Mekkis> she doesn't want to talk to you
33:51 <Steven> ahhhh sweet... took long enough!
33:54 <Steven> oh mekkis
33:58 <Steven> sam says hi
34:21 <Steven> im not understanding why specifically shes saying hi to you, but whatever
37:46 <N2H4> maybe theres something you don't know about.
38:15 <Steven> more likely something i wont care about something
42:23 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean by a "defence-focused character"
42:46 <MekkisScreen> you've pasted that twice, without context N2H4
45:13 <N2H4> a guy with a shield who stands between the rest of his party and the enemy
45:26 <N2H4> the shield is optional really.
45:32 <N2H4> but it fits the theme
51:09 <MekkisScreen> is that comment yours
51:17 <MekkisScreen> or is it someone else's?
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