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01:18 <Avatar> what does that mean
01:26 <Avatar> I need a "miniature"
04:20 <Mekkis> then buy one?
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17:33 <MekkisScreen> is anyone running anything on Saturday Morning?
55:55 <kapow> playtest got change to the week after i notice
56:03 <kapow> wasn't it planned for this dat? so no?
13:27 <Steven> so.... new season 4 scenario
13:48 <Steven> totally bad ass
14:56 <Steven> got my second character death
14:58 <Steven> woot woot
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26:56 <Avatar> this saturday's free
32:02 <MekkisScreen> ok, I'll run something
32:18 <MekkisScreen> 11am
32:33 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
32:43 <MekkisScreen> 12:30pm
34:42 <Avatar> wroth, whitenoise and rymen had serious problems with 1pm
34:57 <Avatar> if you want them in, you'll want to aim early as possible
35:09 <Avatar> everyone was saying 9am wasn't too early
35:13 <Avatar> everyone was saying 4am wasn't too early
38:46 <MekkisScreen> noone asked me
42:57 <Avatar> I asked everyone
42:58 <Avatar> where were you
08:14 <MekkisScreen> it was too early when you asked!
11:30 * MekkisScreen got an aasimar boon
12:23 <MekkisScreen> who's that true neutral nature god?
13:17 <Avatar> there's a true neutral nature god?
13:27 <Ballig> gozreh?
13:37 <Avatar> my aasimar druid doesn't have a deity
13:53 <MekkisScreen> I thought druids needed a deity
14:22 <Avatar> don't think so
14:26 <Avatar> where does it say that
15:12 <Ballig> I think it's a PFS rule for anyone who channels divine energy
15:24 <Avatar> are you sure
15:45 <Ballig> Characters  who  do  not  receive  powers  from 
15:45 <Ballig> a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no 
15:45 <Ballig> deity at all.
15:52 <Ballig> that's from the PFS guide, so that makes clerics require a deity
16:01 <Ballig> I don't think druids receive a power from a divine source though
16:08 <Ballig> but I could be wrong on that
16:11 <Avatar> it is divine magic
21:18 <Ballig> I've always seen them getting their power from nature directly without need for a deity (because that's the cleric's domain)
21:28 <Ballig> but I don't know that the rulebook goes into that kind of detail
32:50 <Avatar> I actually thought it was quite specific under cleric but didn't say anything about it under druid, from what I remember
34:08 <Ballig> I had thought so too, but I wasn't able to find it
36:12 <Mekkis> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
36:33 <Mekkis> I should bully kapow into teaching me to paint
39:25 <Ballig> are they assuming that you already know how good Bones models are
42:37 <Hydrazine> Mr. Jacobs has said specifically that clerics require deities, and gives an example of oracles or druids who practice ancestor worship.
42:43 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz3zjl?Atheism-Agnosticism-and-Ancestor-Worship-in#3
42:48 <Hydrazine> Man, took me forever to find that.
43:47 <Avatar> oh, I might have had that bookmarked actually
44:23 <Avatar> yeah landruff is agnostic
44:52 <Hydrazine> And again
44:52 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2fjg&page=7?Cleric-of-Aroden-Vs-Cleric-of-Noone#325
50:12 <Hydrazine> And I think oracles rather specifically don't require a deity. They get their power from the mystery.
50:37 <Ballig> I think cleric is the only one that gets it from a deity specifically
51:25 <Hydrazine> this is notably different from your half an hour ago 'anyone who does divine magic'
52:14 <Ballig> what I pasted was a quote from the PFS guide
52:29 <Ballig> my definition of "channels divine energy" is someone who actually requires a deity
52:33 <Ballig> for their spells
52:42 <Brunius> Clerics don't.
52:48 <Ballig> Brunius: in PFS they do
52:49 <Brunius> They can represent an ideal, can't they?
52:52 <Ballig> not in PFS
53:05 <Hydrazine> In base Pathfinder, yes, Brunius.
57:49 <Avatar> I think it's about time for winter to END now
58:01 <Hydrazine> But Avatar.. Winter is coming.
58:46 <Ballig> no winter is ending
59:06 <Hydrazine> And coming.
59:48 <Brunius> It's ending for us
00:17 <Hydrazine> Similarly, even if its 6:59PM. 6PM IS still coming.. in 23 hours.
00:33 <Brunius> I realise the arguement you're making
00:45 <Hydrazine> I would hope so.
00:46 <Brunius> And I refuse to acknowledge it as valid.
00:53 <Ballig> Hydrazine is just feeling argumentative today :p
00:56 <Hydrazine> I refuse to acknowledge you as valid.
00:57 <Ballig> finding arguments where there are none
01:15 <Hydrazine> Hey, I solved the big cleric/druid deity debate.
01:19 <Hydrazine> I'm celebrating.
01:21 <Ballig> there was no debate
01:30 <Ballig> I already knew it was cleric and not druid or oracle
06:57 <Ballig> guck
07:56 <ducknuckem> hey.
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48:06 <whitenoise> hay hay
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48:14 <whitenoise> Avatar, ^
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54:45 <Rymen13> hello
57:00 <Hydrazine> g'day.
03:29 <Rymen13> there someone
03:59 <Rymen13> im still waiting for avatar in google chat hes one but idle
04:06 <Rymen13> *on
05:30 <Rymen13> and a call dint work
05:40 <Rymen13> must be asleep ir something
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33:46 <Mekkis> hey
35:37 <Avatar> man he'd best not try to call me in the middle of the night
37:11 <Ballig> hey
38:04 <Mekkis> it's a bal lig!
38:17 <Brunius> as opposed to a bal rog
38:52 <Ballig> or a bal or
43:58 <Mekkis> yeah
46:18 <whitenoise> lol
46:28 <Brunius> Mekkis: Essentially how to paint: Don't screw anything up
48:35 <Ballig> anything?
51:25 <Mekkis> Brunius, I can do that already
51:38 <Mekkis> unfortunately, I want to also have painted minis at the end!
56:49 <Ballig> that's what you get for using g+
58:30 <Ballig> just spray paint them all yellow
02:07 <Brunius> Ballig, people do that
02:23 <Brunius> For Warhammer tournaments, people used to do a basecoat of one colour
02:31 <Brunius> mask part, spray another colour
02:39 <Brunius> mask another part, spray the third colour
02:46 <Brunius> Bam, tournament legal minis
03:22 <Ballig> ha
03:32 <Ballig> why do tournaments care if your minis are painted?
03:41 <Ballig> so you can identify armies?
03:58 <Brunius> The GW ones had/have a 3 colour rule
04:05 <Brunius> because then you have to buy paints
04:08 <Brunius> (off GW)
04:14 <Brunius> And they make a profit off that
04:35 <Ballig> so not to identify armies?
04:40 <Brunius> not really
04:49 <Brunius> you can paint your space marines bright pink if you want
04:49 <Ballig> how do you know which army is yours
04:59 <Ballig> yeah but then you know that your marines are the bright pink ones
05:13 <Brunius> Because you painted them bright pink?
05:40 <Ballig> do you have bright pink marines
05:43 <Brunius> Nope
05:51 <Brunius> I have olive and khaki imperial guard
09:41 <Brunius> (It's the most uninventive scheme ever)
13:20 <Avatar> becaues you can't block people on g+
15:53 <Brunius> Man, double physics then double methods
15:59 <Brunius> Tomorrow is gonna be a fun day
16:16 <Mekkis> Ballig, you know which minis are yours because you spent a lot of money on them, and you don't want to lose sight of them :)
16:29 <Mekkis> same way you know which magic cards are yours
23:28 <whitenoise> Avatar, you at home?
23:46 <whitenoise> and also guys, i won't be around this weekend, so
23:49 <Ballig> probably for another ~30 minutes before he goes to work like the rest of us chumps
24:04 <whitenoise> no dnd'ing for me this weekend
24:09 <whitenoise> heh
24:11 <whitenoise> i go home in 30 minutes.
30:00 <whitenoise> Ballig, is Shadow Born a valid PFS race?
30:34 <Ballig> valid races are the ones in the core rulebook, and as of tomorrow Aasimar, Tiefling and Tengu
30:49 <whitenoise> oh
30:58 <whitenoise> i thought some folks were already playing as tiefling?
31:13 <Ballig> only people who had received special "boons" from conventions
31:24 <Ballig> basically they were handed out as prizes at conventions over the last few years
31:30 <Ballig> for all three of those races
31:36 <whitenoise> ah, gotcha
31:55 <whitenoise> i have been trying to find non-npc information about a tiefling
32:12 <whitenoise> i.e., their stat mods, specialties, darkvision, proficiencies, yadda yadda
33:12 <Ballig> in the bestiary the tiefling has a section called "Tiefling Characters" that gives that information
33:18 <whitenoise> aha
33:20 <whitenoise> on paizo?
33:24 <Ballig> there's also an advanced race guide out now that has information
33:33 <Avatar> yeah i'm at home whitenoise
33:47 <whitenoise> found it
33:52 <whitenoise> Avatar, can you try to send me my chronicle sheet?
34:13 <Ballig> whitenoise: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling
34:21 <Avatar> sending
35:20 <Avatar> jump on skype and I'll send it there if this doesn't work
41:18 <whitenoise> Avatar, there's a list of items. the 18k one is marked out.
41:22 <whitenoise> can i just say that i want any of those? 
42:10 <Ballig> you have to buy them
42:16 <Ballig> at the listed price
42:28 <Ballig> basically the only reason for them being on the sheet is because they are added to your list of "always available" items for purchase
42:42 <Ballig> so you don't have to worry about the fame required for expensive purchases if it's one of those
43:01 <whitenoise> ahhh
43:10 <Avatar> yeah normally you are restricted to buying anything that is "always available" from the PFS guide, or anything that is up to the value of your fame score (from the PFS guide)
43:16 <whitenoise> well, i have 658 gold now, so yarrr, i be rich.
43:19 <Ballig> the axe is crossed off because we gave it back to the tribe guys instead of bringing it back to the society
43:23 <Avatar> but if it appears on a chronicle sheet, that item becomes "always available" regardless of your fame
43:32 <whitenoise> ahh
43:35 <Avatar> yeah so you can't buy the axe
43:51 <whitenoise> gotcha
43:53 <Ballig> damn, and I had just finished saving up for it too !
44:06 <Avatar> unless you are really bad at faction missions, your fame score will usually be high enough to afford everything on there anyway
44:12 <Avatar> for what you can afford
44:28 <Avatar> wands are an exception if they have less than 50 charges on them
44:33 <Avatar> those chronicle sheets are super valuable
44:40 <whitenoise> i'm guessing arrow refills and a few potions or something is the typical back-at-society purchases
44:55 <Mekkis> and various wands/scrolls of higher-than-minimum caster levels
45:06 <Mekkis> I killed Kyra yesterday!
45:37 <Mekkis> Twice!
45:39 <Ballig> or any scrolls if you're playing a wizard or witch
47:11 <Avatar> what class are you rolling up whitenoise
47:22 <whitenoise> Avatar, a bard, i do believe.
47:37 <Avatar> chuck a skill rank into umm
47:43 <Ballig> use magic device?
47:44 <Avatar> oh you'll have perform
47:52 <Avatar> that's your day job roll
48:07 <whitenoise> i don't understand fully how day jobs work yet
48:13 <whitenoise> its a way for me to make money while not playing a campaign?
48:23 <Ballig> it's just a little bit of extra gold at the end of a scenario
48:31 <Ballig> to simulate you having a regular job as well as being a pathfinder
48:37 <whitenoise> aha
48:47 <Ballig> you can only roll it if you have ranks in a craft, perform or profession skill
48:53 <Ballig> or some other skills if you purchase vanities using prestige
49:37 <whitenoise> righto
50:45 <Hydrazine> Yo.
53:48 <Mekkis> and now she needs a resurrection if she's to return to life!
55:23 <Hydrazine> Serves her right.
55:47 <Mekkis> yeah. Kyra should stop signing up for the Society
56:54 <Hydrazine> I been looking at the D&D Next stuff.
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57:17 <Mekkis> and?
59:04 <Hydrazine> Seems like the power curve is much closer to 4E or maybe higher, though that isn't saying much about the game itself. I haven't really looked at the bestiary yet to see the differences there.
59:23 <Mekkis> 4e didn't have a power curve!
59:27 <Hydrazine> But overall I think I like the general idea of where its going.
00:43 <Hydrazine> They definately lose some complexity in combat actions and AoOs and crits.
02:11 <Mekkis> and this is a good thing?
02:21 <Hydrazine> I think being able to crit and really make a huge impact in the fight with it is gone, and that was a really big moment in games.
02:54 <Hydrazine> I mean, when the greataxe barbarian finally got that 3x crit off on a good target, thats pretty much game over, and its alot of excitement to the table. Agree?
03:10 <Mekkis> yeah
03:51 <Hydrazine> But on the other side, it wasn't that long ago I saw an over-leveled PC in a PFS scenario get almost one shot by a lucky arrow crit, and I've seen a player die instantly to a scythe trap.
03:52 <Mekkis> as a DM, when should you fudge dice rolls?
04:19 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, but that happens...
04:27 <Hydrazine> I think it depends alot on the DM, and the style of the game in question, or are you asking me in particular?
04:43 <Mekkis> I had to fudge quite a few rolls last night
04:51 <Hydrazine> Go on.
05:36 <Mekkis> should the punishment for fighting an opponent you're unprepared for and not fleeing be a TPK?
06:20 <Hydrazine> I think I require more background to give a reasonable answer.
06:29 Avatar has changed the topic to: DnDN: Sat 25th 11am || PFS: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
06:53 <Hydrazine> For example, in Society play, I don't think fleeing is an accepted tactic in 9 out of 10 examples.
07:30 <Mekkis> I disagree. I feel that players could flee under a LOT of circumstances
07:44 <Avatar> that is such a general situation to ask for a solution to
07:59 <Avatar> should you automatically TPK an unprepared party
08:03 <Mekkis> party is facing several incorporeal undead (spectres) with a bunch of characters who have no real way of doing meaningful damage
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08:26 <Avatar> as opposed to what
08:32 <Avatar> what do the tactics say
08:38 <Mekkis> they don't
08:52 <Steven> sleep sucked
08:53 <Avatar> then what would the monster do
09:21 <Avatar> you shouldn't try as hard as you can to kill a party if you feel they are unprepared
09:46 <Mekkis> sure: I was spreading attacks around
09:48 <Avatar> sorry, based on whether you feel they are unprepared or not
10:01 <Mekkis> it said they they attack PCs randomly
10:19 <Steven> I 'TPK'ed a party last sunday in First Steps, and then reversed it all at the end
10:21 <Mekkis> the fact that they're doing 2 negative levels per hit is pretty brutal
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10:43 <Avatar> what do you mean you reversed it
11:20 <Steven> They were a griup of 5 people brand new to PFS, didnt know how to build their characters very well, came in totaly unprepared
11:41 <Steven> didnt have torches, rope, or even a potion between the 5 of them
11:55 <Hydrazine> I think part of the my opinion here comes from the thought that players don't really control the story or the fights much in society play. That the trouble often engages them. I feel that this would be different in a campaign where the players go off on their own and get into a fight like this.,
11:58 <Steven> they stumbled through to the end encounter where they got completely owned in 2 rounds
12:15 <Hydrazine> Was it that alley fight?
12:19 <Steven> yup
12:48 <Hydrazine> I think that fight is particularly brutal if you're working from the base expectation that the players in question are not PFS-experts.
12:57 <Avatar> so what does reversing it mean
13:45 <Mekkis> I think it's better to allow the players to make their own way through the alley rather than starting them in their "starting location", like I did when I ran it for Avatar and Snypt
13:53 <Steven> when i got them down to one person up and standing, and the other 4 on the ground dying
14:19 <Steven> all of a sudden the bad guys started missing, their AC got significantly lower
14:46 <Avatar> that's not kosher
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15:20 <Steven> nope its not, but since it was an entire table of people brand new to pfs, i gave them a break
15:51 <Hydrazine> What message are you sending by TPKing a table of first time players?
16:05 <Steven> they left the table with a list of things their characters were going to buy
16:07 <Avatar> they don't need a break in their first game, what do they lose
16:17 <Avatar> was this first steps 1?
16:35 <Steven> on the list was potions, alchemist fire, rope, torches, and spring loaded wrist sheaths
16:41 <Steven> yeah first steps 1, in the ally
16:52 <Avatar> they're robbers, not murderers anyway
17:08 <Avatar> unless they die due to a strong hit (which can't be helped), then the bad guys can stabilise them and get their mission shit
17:22 <Avatar> gotta run
18:03 <Steven> only one person died in the fight due to a crit confirm dropping him to -4 and then he failed to stablize every round... i made him stay dead...
18:06 <Steven> lol
18:43 <Steven> and all 5 of the people will be back, so that will be good ya know.
19:11 <Steven> we estimate 4-5 tables every session of PFS
19:37 <Steven> we were steady at 2 tables, sometimes 3 during the summer months
19:50 <Steven> and we know of 10 regulars that are comming back to play
20:13 <Steven> gonna be busy busy, and ill be down in cali for a month lol
20:43 <Steven> Almost feel bad for walter lol]
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25:06 <Mekkis> wow
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28:31 <Mekkis>  would anyone be up for a bunch of short, one-encounter sessions at 10th level?
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40:52 <Avatar-> ug
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11:53 <Rymen13> hello
15:44 <Avatar> seems appealing, but I'm inclined to decline
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26:33 <Hydrazine> Its back!
28:01 <MekkisScreen> kuoh no
34:17 <MekkisScreen> Oh no
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40:07 <Rymen13> hello
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47:51 <whitenoise> heylo everybody
48:20 <MekkisScreen> hi
49:41 <whitenoise> how do magus and bard compare?
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05:02 <Hydrazine> Hey Mekkis, what do you think of the Next stuff?
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18:38 <MekkisScreen> it exists
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17:28 <MekkisScreen> is anyone running anything on Saturday Morning?
55:49 <kapow> playtest got change to the week after i notice
55:57 <kapow> wasn't it planned for this dat? so no?
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13:22 <Steven> so.... new season 4 scenario
13:42 <Steven> totally bad ass
14:50 <Steven> got my second character death
14:52 <Steven> woot woot
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26:50 <Avatar> this saturday's free
31:56 <MekkisScreen> ok, I'll run something
32:12 <MekkisScreen> 11am
32:27 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
32:37 <MekkisScreen> 12:30pm
34:37 <Avatar> wroth, whitenoise and rymen had serious problems with 1pm
34:51 <Avatar> if you want them in, you'll want to aim early as possible
35:03 <Avatar> everyone was saying 9am wasn't too early
35:07 <Avatar> everyone was saying 4am wasn't too early
38:40 <MekkisScreen> noone asked me
42:51 <Avatar> I asked everyone
42:53 <Avatar> where were you
50:51 <Hydrazine> Yo.
53:54 <Mekkis> and now she needs a resurrection if she's to return to life!
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55:29 <Hydrazine> Serves her right.
55:54 <Mekkis> yeah. Kyra should stop signing up for the Society
57:00 <Hydrazine> I been looking at the D&D Next stuff.
57:23 <Mekkis> and?
59:10 <Hydrazine> Seems like the power curve is much closer to 4E or maybe higher, though that isn't saying much about the game itself. I haven't really looked at the bestiary yet to see the differences there.
59:29 <Mekkis> 4e didn't have a power curve!
59:33 <Hydrazine> But overall I think I like the general idea of where its going.
00:49 <Hydrazine> They definately lose some complexity in combat actions and AoOs and crits.
02:17 <Mekkis> and this is a good thing?
02:27 <Hydrazine> I think being able to crit and really make a huge impact in the fight with it is gone, and that was a really big moment in games.
03:00 <Hydrazine> I mean, when the greataxe barbarian finally got that 3x crit off on a good target, thats pretty much game over, and its alot of excitement to the table. Agree?
03:16 <Mekkis> yeah
03:57 <Hydrazine> But on the other side, it wasn't that long ago I saw an over-leveled PC in a PFS scenario get almost one shot by a lucky arrow crit, and I've seen a player die instantly to a scythe trap.
03:58 <Mekkis> as a DM, when should you fudge dice rolls?
04:25 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, but that happens...
04:33 <Hydrazine> I think it depends alot on the DM, and the style of the game in question, or are you asking me in particular?
04:49 <Mekkis> I had to fudge quite a few rolls last night
04:57 <Hydrazine> Go on.
05:42 <Mekkis> should the punishment for fighting an opponent you're unprepared for and not fleeing be a TPK?
06:26 <Hydrazine> I think I require more background to give a reasonable answer.
06:59 <Hydrazine> For example, in Society play, I don't think fleeing is an accepted tactic in 9 out of 10 examples.
07:36 <Mekkis> I disagree. I feel that players could flee under a LOT of circumstances
07:50 <Avatar> that is such a general situation to ask for a solution to
08:05 <Avatar> should you automatically TPK an unprepared party
08:09 <MekkisScreen> it was too early when you asked!
08:09 <Mekkis> party is facing several incorporeal undead (spectres) with a bunch of characters who have no real way of doing meaningful damage
08:32 <Avatar> as opposed to what
08:38 <Avatar> what do the tactics say
08:45 <Mekkis> they don't
08:58 <Steven> sleep sucked
08:59 <Avatar> then what would the monster do
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09:27 <Avatar> you shouldn't try as hard as you can to kill a party if you feel they are unprepared
09:52 <Mekkis> sure: I was spreading attacks around
09:54 <Avatar> sorry, based on whether you feel they are unprepared or not
10:07 <Mekkis> it said they they attack PCs randomly
10:25 <Steven> I 'TPK'ed a party last sunday in First Steps, and then reversed it all at the end
10:27 <Mekkis> the fact that they're doing 2 negative levels per hit is pretty brutal
10:49 <Avatar> what do you mean you reversed it
11:24 * MekkisScreen got an aasimar boon
11:25 <Steven> They were a griup of 5 people brand new to PFS, didnt know how to build their characters very well, came in totaly unprepared
11:47 <Steven> didnt have torches, rope, or even a potion between the 5 of them
12:01 <Hydrazine> I think part of the my opinion here comes from the thought that players don't really control the story or the fights much in society play. That the trouble often engages them. I feel that this would be different in a campaign where the players go off on their own and get into a fight like this.,
12:04 <Steven> they stumbled through to the end encounter where they got completely owned in 2 rounds
12:17 <MekkisScreen> who's that true neutral nature god?
12:20 <Hydrazine> Was it that alley fight?
12:25 <Steven> yup
12:54 <Hydrazine> I think that fight is particularly brutal if you're working from the base expectation that the players in question are not PFS-experts.
13:02 <Avatar> so what does reversing it mean
13:11 <Avatar> there's a true neutral nature god?
13:21 <Ballig> gozreh?
13:31 <Avatar> my aasimar druid doesn't have a deity
13:48 <MekkisScreen> I thought druids needed a deity
13:51 <Mekkis> I think it's better to allow the players to make their own way through the alley rather than starting them in their "starting location", like I did when I ran it for Avatar and Snypt
13:59 <Steven> when i got them down to one person up and standing, and the other 4 on the ground dying
14:16 <Avatar> don't think so
14:20 <Avatar> where does it say that
14:25 <Steven> all of a sudden the bad guys started missing, their AC got significantly lower
14:52 <Avatar> that's not kosher
15:06 <Ballig> I think it's a PFS rule for anyone who channels divine energy
15:18 <Avatar> are you sure
15:26 <Steven> nope its not, but since it was an entire table of people brand new to pfs, i gave them a break
15:39 <Ballig> Characters  who  do  not  receive  powers  from 
15:40 <Ballig> a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no 
15:40 <Ballig> deity at all.
15:46 <Ballig> that's from the PFS guide, so that makes clerics require a deity
15:55 <Ballig> I don't think druids receive a power from a divine source though
15:57 <Hydrazine> What message are you sending by TPKing a table of first time players?
16:02 <Ballig> but I could be wrong on that
16:05 <Avatar> it is divine magic
16:11 <Steven> they left the table with a list of things their characters were going to buy
16:13 <Avatar> they don't need a break in their first game, what do they lose
16:23 <Avatar> was this first steps 1?
16:41 <Steven> on the list was potions, alchemist fire, rope, torches, and spring loaded wrist sheaths
16:47 <Steven> yeah first steps 1, in the ally
16:58 <Avatar> they're robbers, not murderers anyway
17:14 <Avatar> unless they die due to a strong hit (which can't be helped), then the bad guys can stabilise them and get their mission shit
17:28 <Avatar> gotta run
18:09 <Steven> only one person died in the fight due to a crit confirm dropping him to -4 and then he failed to stablize every round... i made him stay dead...
18:12 <Steven> lol
18:49 <Steven> and all 5 of the people will be back, so that will be good ya know.
19:17 <Steven> we estimate 4-5 tables every session of PFS
19:42 <Steven> we were steady at 2 tables, sometimes 3 during the summer months
19:56 <Steven> and we know of 10 regulars that are comming back to play
20:19 <Steven> gonna be busy busy, and ill be down in cali for a month lol
20:49 <Steven> Almost feel bad for walter lol]
21:12 <Ballig> I've always seen them getting their power from nature directly without need for a deity (because that's the cleric's domain)
21:22 <Ballig> but I don't know that the rulebook goes into that kind of detail
25:13 <Mekkis> wow
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32:45 <Avatar> I actually thought it was quite specific under cleric but didn't say anything about it under druid, from what I remember
34:02 <Ballig> I had thought so too, but I wasn't able to find it
36:06 <Mekkis> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
36:27 <Mekkis> I should bully kapow into teaching me to paint
39:19 <Ballig> are they assuming that you already know how good Bones models are
40:58 <Avatar-> ug
42:31 <Hydrazine> Mr. Jacobs has said specifically that clerics require deities, and gives an example of oracles or druids who practice ancestor worship.
42:37 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz3zjl?Atheism-Agnosticism-and-Ancestor-Worship-in#3
42:42 <Hydrazine> Man, took me forever to find that.
43:41 <Avatar> oh, I might have had that bookmarked actually
44:17 <Avatar> yeah landruff is agnostic
44:46 <Hydrazine> And again
44:46 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2fjg&page=7?Cleric-of-Aroden-Vs-Cleric-of-Noone#325
50:07 <Hydrazine> And I think oracles rather specifically don't require a deity. They get their power from the mystery.
50:31 <Ballig> I think cleric is the only one that gets it from a deity specifically
51:20 <Hydrazine> this is notably different from your half an hour ago 'anyone who does divine magic'
52:08 <Ballig> what I pasted was a quote from the PFS guide
52:23 <Ballig> my definition of "channels divine energy" is someone who actually requires a deity
52:28 <Ballig> for their spells
52:37 <Brunius> Clerics don't.
52:42 <Ballig> Brunius: in PFS they do
52:44 <Brunius> They can represent an ideal, can't they?
52:46 <Ballig> not in PFS
52:59 <Hydrazine> In base Pathfinder, yes, Brunius.
57:43 <Avatar> I think it's about time for winter to END now
57:55 <Hydrazine> But Avatar.. Winter is coming.
58:40 <Ballig> no winter is ending
59:00 <Hydrazine> And coming.
59:43 <Brunius> It's ending for us
00:11 <Hydrazine> Similarly, even if its 6:59PM. 6PM IS still coming.. in 23 hours.
00:27 <Brunius> I realise the arguement you're making
00:39 <Hydrazine> I would hope so.
00:40 <Brunius> And I refuse to acknowledge it as valid.
00:47 <Ballig> Hydrazine is just feeling argumentative today :p
00:50 <Hydrazine> I refuse to acknowledge you as valid.
00:52 <Ballig> finding arguments where there are none
01:09 <Hydrazine> Hey, I solved the big cleric/druid deity debate.
01:13 <Hydrazine> I'm celebrating.
01:15 <Ballig> there was no debate
01:24 <Ballig> I already knew it was cleric and not druid or oracle
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06:51 <Ballig> guck
07:50 <ducknuckem> hey.
11:59 <Rymen13> hello
33:39 <Mekkis> hey
37:05 <Ballig> hey
37:58 <Mekkis> it's a bal lig!
38:11 <Brunius> as opposed to a bal rog
38:46 <Ballig> or a bal or
43:51 <Mekkis> yeah
46:22 <Brunius> Mekkis: Essentially how to paint: Don't screw anything up
48:29 <Ballig> anything?
51:19 <Mekkis> Brunius, I can do that already
51:32 <Mekkis> unfortunately, I want to also have painted minis at the end!
58:24 <Ballig> just spray paint them all yellow
02:02 <Brunius> Ballig, people do that
02:17 <Brunius> For Warhammer tournaments, people used to do a basecoat of one colour
02:25 <Brunius> mask part, spray another colour
02:33 <Brunius> mask another part, spray the third colour
02:40 <Brunius> Bam, tournament legal minis
03:16 <Ballig> ha
03:26 <Ballig> why do tournaments care if your minis are painted?
03:35 <Ballig> so you can identify armies?
03:53 <Brunius> The GW ones had/have a 3 colour rule
03:59 <Brunius> because then you have to buy paints
04:02 <Brunius> (off GW)
04:08 <Brunius> And they make a profit off that
04:29 <Ballig> so not to identify armies?
04:34 <Brunius> not really
04:43 <Brunius> you can paint your space marines bright pink if you want
04:43 <Ballig> how do you know which army is yours
04:54 <Ballig> yeah but then you know that your marines are the bright pink ones
05:07 <Brunius> Because you painted them bright pink?
05:34 <Ballig> do you have bright pink marines
05:37 <Brunius> Nope
05:45 <Brunius> I have olive and khaki imperial guard
09:35 <Brunius> (It's the most uninventive scheme ever)
15:48 <Brunius> Man, double physics then double methods
15:54 <Brunius> Tomorrow is gonna be a fun day
16:10 <Mekkis> Ballig, you know which minis are yours because you spent a lot of money on them, and you don't want to lose sight of them :)
16:23 <Mekkis> same way you know which magic cards are yours
26:39 <Hydrazine> Its back!
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28:07 <MekkisScreen> kuoh no
34:23 <MekkisScreen> Oh no
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40:13 <Rymen13> hello
47:57 <whitenoise> heylo everybody
48:25 <MekkisScreen> hi
49:47 <whitenoise> how do magus and bard compare?
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05:08 <Hydrazine> Hey Mekkis, what do you think of the Next stuff?
18:44 <MekkisScreen> it exists
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28:24 <Mekkis>  would anyone be up for a bunch of short, one-encounter sessions at 10th level?
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15:38 <Avatar> seems appealing, but I'm inclined to decline
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