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00:09:46 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11th 9am (Mort,tier 1-5) / Sun 12th 1pm (Avatar,tier 1-5) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
00:09:46 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Aug 5 18:52:55 2012
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01:22:59 <Hydrazine> Hi Tashes.
01:38:07 ducknuckem is now known as Orca^Man
01:38:41 Orca^Man is now known as ducknuckem
01:41:03 <Hydrazine> ...Orca man?
01:41:15 <Hydrazine> Probably a better superhero than aquaman.
01:42:15 <ducknuckem> It was a penis reference.
01:42:41 <Hydrazine> Isn't everything?
01:42:49 <ducknuckem> Someone wasn't content with the nine inches a duck can achieve.
01:43:13 <ducknuckem> The disturbing part being that the size of a ducks penis depends on the male company that it keeps.
01:43:48 <Hydrazine> I don't think they actually have them at all.
01:43:55 <Hydrazine> I thought all birds had the whole cloaca thing
01:45:14 <ducknuckem> I just checked it out. Apparently ducks are the exception.
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02:17:24 <tashphones> The things you learn in dnd
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05:06:55 <Hydrazine> can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? So you think you can tell?
05:07:21 <MincedSushi> Tell?
05:07:31 <Hydrazine> Howdy sushi.
05:07:42 <MincedSushi> Good morning Hydra
05:07:48 <MincedSushi> I see the music is starting well
05:07:48 <Hydrazine> Oh, they like some chili peppers. And Dream Theater. Progress!
05:07:56 <MincedSushi> Oh good
05:08:06 <MincedSushi> Chilli peppers are my favourite US band
05:08:22 <MincedSushi> Their bass mixes witht here vocals so well~
05:08:24 <Hydrazine> How you doing?
05:08:44 <MincedSushi> We ran out of drinks in the house sos I had a pop a beer first thing int he morning
05:08:50 <MincedSushi> feeling special for doing it
05:08:59 <Hydrazine> Before I played Dream Theater for them, I said, "Just listen to what this dude does to a guitar."
05:09:01 <MincedSushi> Going to grab water later this afternoon
05:09:08 <Hydrazine> Heh.
05:09:13 <MincedSushi> :D
05:09:18 <MincedSushi> Exactly!
05:09:19 <Hydrazine> My first week as official driver for a navy base.
05:09:25 <Hydrazine> I was an alcoholic.
05:09:30 <MincedSushi> xD
05:10:16 <MincedSushi> It's my firm belief that any driving postions will make you an alcholic
05:10:20 <Hydrazine> It was the first time in AGES I was only working 1 day out of four.
05:10:32 <Hydrazine> So I was drunk for 3 days straight.
05:10:37 <MincedSushi> <3
05:10:38 <Hydrazine> Sober for a day, and then drunk for another three.
05:10:45 <Hydrazine> And then my schedule got dicked. Ofcourse.
05:10:51 <MincedSushi> That sounds terrible and expensive
05:11:35 <Hydrazine> I don't drink that much actually.
05:11:53 <MincedSushi> Now you don't
05:11:58 <MincedSushi> Back then you did
05:12:13 <Hydrazine> It was alot of irish car bombs.
05:12:14 <MincedSushi> I havea beer or shot a day
05:12:22 <MincedSushi> :D
05:12:26 <Hydrazine> I don't even have one drink a day.
05:12:32 <MincedSushi> I have to
05:12:37 <Hydrazine> Oh?
05:12:54 <MincedSushi> It's that or 70$ pills :I
05:13:20 <Hydrazine> I am confused.
05:13:26 <MincedSushi> I don't have 300$ to fill a prescription so my liver will have to put up with the other thing my doctor suggested
05:13:34 <MincedSushi> I havea bad liver
05:13:41 <Hydrazine> So the answer is booze?
05:13:50 <MincedSushi> it mass produces enzymes to the point where they will break down the cell lining
05:13:51 <Hydrazine> I thought that was exactly the wrong idea for a bad liver.
05:14:03 <Hydrazine> So you throw booze at it like a distraction?
05:14:07 <MincedSushi> The alchol gives the enzymes something to do
05:14:11 <MincedSushi> yep
05:14:14 <MincedSushi> Since I was 12
05:14:19 <MincedSushi> I can't get drunk
05:14:30 <MincedSushi> Doctor's orders :D
05:14:31 <Hydrazine> Huh.
05:14:55 <Hydrazine> Well, my opinion, its fun for a little while, but overall it tends to lead to trouble. I don't recommend doing it very often.
05:15:05 <MincedSushi> That's what I've seen
05:15:21 <Hydrazine> The key to having fun with alcohol, I've found, is by always making sure theres someone around who is clearly more drunk than you.
05:15:31 <MincedSushi> xD
05:15:35 <MincedSushi> I like that!
05:15:42 <Hydrazine> When you're the most drunk person around, everyone else has fun laughing at you, and you just make a fool of yourself.
05:15:56 <Hydrazine> I learned this from experience.
05:16:09 <MincedSushi> As wise men often do ;D
05:16:12 <Hydrazine> Also, don't mix alcohol and boxing gloves.
05:16:18 <MincedSushi> >_<
05:16:23 <MincedSushi> >_<!!!
05:16:28 <Hydrazine> I popped an ear drum like that.
05:16:43 <MincedSushi> Seriously! Be glad that's all you lost
05:16:53 <Hydrazine> But he was like, way over my weight class.
05:16:57 <Hydrazine> And he felt like shit the next day too.
05:17:22 <Hydrazine> Today I learned of another use for my chemical, Sushi.
05:18:17 <MincedSushi> chemical?
05:18:23 <MincedSushi> Hydrazine?
05:18:27 <Hydrazine> Indeed.
05:18:34 <MincedSushi> What else can it do?
05:20:11 <Hydrazine> Not sure on the exact processes, but it can be used as a reducing agent to precipitate nearly pure gold from a chloroauric solution.
05:20:14 <MincedSushi> I only know of it in passing. We never did anything with it once we learned to make it.
05:20:30 <Hydrazine> Not surprised. Its not exactly safe to hang around.
05:20:42 <MincedSushi> isn't it basic though
05:20:50 <MincedSushi> I thought most gold washes weren't
05:22:10 <Hydrazine> basic, yes.
05:22:37 <MincedSushi> That rases more question then my limited understanding of chemistry can awnser xD
05:22:43 <MincedSushi> But good to know!
05:24:02 <Hydrazine> So its used in planes, rockets, air bags, and steam power systems!
05:24:10 <Hydrazine> and gold refining.
05:24:26 <MincedSushi> :D
05:24:44 <MincedSushi> I only knew it was in rockets 0_o
05:25:08 <MincedSushi> Wow that's a much more useful chemical than I thought
05:25:10 <Hydrazine> I first learned of it as an additive to steam plant water to remove oxygen.
05:25:22 <MincedSushi> Huh
05:25:40 <MincedSushi> We were studying some method for combining chemicals
05:25:41 <Hydrazine> It isn't done much though, because most of the time theres ways to do it without explosives.
05:26:05 <Hydrazine> You only really need the hydrazine during long shut down periods.
05:26:17 <MincedSushi> xD
05:26:55 <MincedSushi> That's a lie btw
05:27:03 <MincedSushi> Explosives are always nessecary
05:27:03 <Hydrazine> hm?
05:27:06 <Hydrazine> heh.
05:27:09 <Avatar> well that's a minor shame :D
05:27:10 <MincedSushi> don't let anyone else know otherwise
05:27:13 <Hydrazine> Not when I'm on said submarine?
05:27:15 <Mekkis> really?
05:27:23 <Ballig> if a forum post doesn't count, why would a comment on a blog count
05:27:29 <Ballig> they're effectively the same media
05:27:39 <MincedSushi> That's when they are msot entertaining. One might even say the best show in your lifetime :D
05:27:49 <Mekkis> I thought that prohibiting a change to ability scores is just vindictive
05:27:56 <Mekkis> Ballig, now you're trolling :S
05:28:02 <Hydrazine> Did you know shooting 400+ degree water into the ocean scares the shit out of the fish?
05:28:16 <Avatar> this is something of a nice late birthday present from paizo
05:28:16 <MincedSushi> I can't imagine why~
05:28:17 <Ballig> I believe that a comment on a blog counts just as much as a forum post
05:28:30 <Mekkis> Avatar, what would you do if gunslingers were banned, and you weren't allowed to change Buck's stats?
05:28:35 <Hydrazine> Loud as shit too.
05:28:39 <MincedSushi> Would scare the shit out of me if I could detect minute changes in tempretures too!
05:28:53 <MincedSushi> Makes a nice roaring sound I bet
05:28:54 <Avatar> I didn't make my gunslinger with shit stats because I knew his stats would turn out to be not shit aynway
05:28:55 <Ballig> why would they ban gunslingers
05:29:03 <Hydrazine> Yep.
05:29:04 <Avatar> unlike what synthesists did
05:29:08 <Mekkis> !findchar Buck
05:29:10 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Buck, number: 308title>( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308title> )
05:29:23 <Avatar> I dumped charisma
05:29:29 <Avatar> I think I can find another class that will be okay with that
05:29:36 <Mekkis> hmmm
05:29:40 <Mekkis> maybe
05:29:46 <Avatar> just maybe
05:29:52 <Mekkis> you could become a somewhat underpowered archer
05:30:08 <Mekkis> (with a bunch of useless feats)
05:30:11 <MincedSushi> Sounds fun :D
05:30:22 <MincedSushi> I want a way to do this now
05:30:27 <MincedSushi> For scinece of course
05:30:29 <Avatar> it doesn't matter
05:30:32 <Avatar> gunslingers didn't get banned
05:30:34 <Avatar> synthesists did
05:30:42 <Avatar> synthesists got banned
05:30:50 <Mekkis> I'm just saying... prohibiting stat changes is just vindictive
05:30:58 <Avatar> + glorious
05:31:01 <Ballig> Mike Brock prohibited them, not us
05:31:14 <Mekkis> that being said. Help me rebuild nightmare please
05:31:30 <Hydrazine> Well, you're going to need a vessel that you can apply sufficient heating to, that can withstand the pressure, a way to open it remotely, insulation..
05:31:33 <Avatar> link his sheet
05:31:40 <Mekkis> !findchar Nightmare
05:31:40 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Nightmare, number: 313( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=313 )
05:32:07 <Avatar> okay, what CAN'T you change
05:32:07 <Mekkis> I think pretty much everything except race can be redone
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05:32:20 <Avatar> if you can change everything but race, what do you need help with
05:32:28 <Mekkis> I can't change name
05:32:34 <Avatar> something that will fit a gnome?
05:32:38 <Avatar> cmon
05:32:48 <Avatar> make Nightmare a nickname
05:33:03 <Avatar> Snickers isn't her real name
05:33:03 <Mekkis> was considering illusion-based sorcerer or wizard
05:33:12 <Mekkis> or perhaps witch
05:33:23 <Avatar> the only thing I would consider is what don't I like playing lower levels of
05:33:24 <Mekkis> oracle?
05:34:05 <MincedSushi> Hey Wroth
05:34:15 <Mekkis> oh, I don't think I can replace the wand
05:34:19 <Mekkis> which will be fun
05:34:26 <Mekkis> Wand of Lesser Rejuvinate Eidolon :S
05:34:28 <MincedSushi> Easy enough to do...
05:34:33 <Avatar> ah you might be able to
05:34:38 <Avatar> oh wait, of course not
05:34:40 <Avatar> summoner still exists
05:34:41 <MincedSushi> A decent pressure boiler can act as all those thigns
05:34:42 <Mekkis> I've used some charges
05:34:46 <Avatar> just turn him into a summoner
05:34:47 <Mekkis> that's OK though
05:34:51 <Mekkis> no
05:34:55 <MincedSushi> It's find fish that can be a rpoblem
05:34:57 <Mekkis> I've already got a gnome summoner
05:36:58 <Ballig> make them twin brothers
05:37:09 <Hydrazine> oh oh! I can rebuild my rogue if I choose.
05:37:44 <Mekkis> I should make Itzamna into a synthesist!
05:37:47 <Avatar> how many characters do you have
05:37:52 <Mekkis> 7
05:37:59 <Avatar> that you made two of them the same class and an archetype of that class
05:38:22 <Mekkis> they were quite different
05:38:35 <Mekkis> Nightmare was supposed to be able to talk his way out of everything
05:38:44 <Avatar> I guess so
05:38:48 <MincedSushi> ??
05:38:49 <Mekkis> Itzamna was supposed to fire the rod of awesome at everything!
05:38:55 <MincedSushi> Why couldn't you before??
05:38:56 <Avatar> I'm trying to compare it to bard and archaeologist I guess
05:39:08 <Ballig> it's one of the few archetypes that completely change the character
05:39:12 <Hydrazine> because he's played two sessions.
05:39:27 <Ballig> which tells you to begin with that it was a bit much for an archetype
05:39:28 <Hydrazine> Now, I can redo pretty much anything about him before he hits 2.
05:39:34 <Ballig> or is a bit much
05:39:41 <Avatar> what do you think of archaeologist
05:39:48 <Mekkis> haven't seen it
05:40:39 <Avatar> take a look
05:40:41 <Avatar> it's in UC I believe
05:40:49 <MincedSushi> Ah~
05:40:57 <Avatar> bard archetype
05:41:03 <MincedSushi> I'm hoping to get one more game in and hit 4 by friday
05:41:09 <Hydrazine> with?
05:41:10 <Hydrazine> Worth?
05:41:12 <MincedSushi> Yep
05:41:19 <Hydrazine> I liked Worth.
05:41:25 <Mekkis> hmmm... don't like witch
05:41:35 <MincedSushi> Most people do. He's not a douche and he does what needs to be done
05:41:37 <Ballig> sorcerer!
05:41:43 <Avatar> I can't say I've ever been dissatisfied with my witch
05:41:46 <Avatar> even when she became useless
05:41:56 <MincedSushi> My fighter on the otherhand...
05:42:01 <MincedSushi> Most people hate her xD
05:42:05 <Hydrazine> Why
05:42:09 <Mekkis> I don't particularly want to focus this character on debuffs
05:42:15 <MincedSushi> She's a snarkie selfuish bitch
05:42:17 <Mekkis> because I know what it does to the DM :S
05:42:25 <MincedSushi> snarky selfish*
05:42:34 <Avatar> do you like using enervation
05:42:44 <Mekkis> I haven't used it in PFS
05:42:50 <Ballig> go sorcerer with lots of fireballs
05:42:50 <Hydrazine> Sounds like fun.
05:42:53 <MincedSushi> I enjoy it though ^^
05:42:56 <Mekkis> it was ok to use in QQ
05:42:56 <Mekkis> :S
05:42:57 <Ballig> prepare fireball in every available slot
05:43:06 <Hydrazine> Sometimes it can be entertaining to be a dick.
05:43:10 <Mekkis> Ballig, I'd go fire oracle if I were to do that
05:43:15 <Ballig> try and get fire resistance from somewhere
05:43:23 <Mekkis> from Fire oracle?
05:43:29 <Ballig> go fire oracle then
05:43:29 <Hydrazine> Just gotta keep in mind everyone else's fun too.
05:43:42 <Ballig> make your character fireball every encounter, regardless of who it hits
05:43:49 <spider21b> back
05:44:24 <Mekkis> interesting Avatar
05:44:32 <Mekkis> seems to be pretty transformational
05:45:38 <MincedSushi> Hence why I don't play her
05:45:48 <spider21b> her?
05:45:51 <spider21b> female character
05:45:55 <MincedSushi> SHe's fun but ended up being a total bitch in rp
05:46:02 <MincedSushi> yes
05:46:09 <Ballig> it's not bad, it' sa more rogueish bard
05:46:14 <Mekkis> wow
05:46:16 <Hydrazine> Did I tell you about what happened to Lyta on my last adventure?
05:46:16 <MincedSushi> I have about a 50/50 spread for gender on my chars
05:46:20 <Mekkis> I might play a prankster
05:46:22 <Ballig> becomes closer to a rogue/sorcerer
05:46:27 <MincedSushi> No... What happend?
05:46:40 <Hydrazine> So we're all lined up doing talk with the potential hostiles.
05:46:41 <Mekkis> if I buy the advanced races guide
05:46:48 <Hydrazine> Lyta's the only caster period in this party.
05:46:58 <Ballig> I don't like the idea of you playing anything that you start with "wow"
05:46:59 <Ballig> :p
05:47:10 <Hydrazine> We had a barbarian, I think 2 fighters, and something else that did alot of fighting.
05:47:21 <Mekkis> A prankster can steal an object from a creature and replace it with another object of the same size or smaller that the prankster has in his hand. This functions as the steal combat maneuver, but the prankster does not provoke an attack of opportunity, and may use his Sleight of Hand check in place of his combat maneuver check.
05:47:29 <MincedSushi> xD
05:47:44 <Ballig> 'or smaller' is a bit odd
05:47:52 <Ballig> just carry a lot of pebbles, and steal swords
05:47:52 <Mekkis> replace a spell component pouch with a tiny viper :)
05:47:55 <Hydrazine> So Lyta's standing between 2 fighters. Soon as initiative rolls go down, the witch 5's to behind the guy with a tower shield.
05:48:08 <Hydrazine> So now theres a straight line of melee, with one hole in it, and a witch behind them.
05:48:18 <Hydrazine> And I'm thinking, this is great! I'm in a perfect spot for this!
05:48:38 <MincedSushi> Boom!
05:48:47 <Hydrazine> So then the enemy engages
05:48:52 <Hydrazine> ....and everyone else withdraws.
05:49:03 <MincedSushi> ><
05:49:05 <Hydrazine> AFTER my turn.
05:49:26 <MincedSushi> Oh gawd...
05:49:31 <Hydrazine> And witch, upto now in a great spot. Didn't have a weapon out because why the hell would I?
05:49:53 <Hydrazine> So the baddies circle around to block me in.
05:49:56 * MincedSushi facedesks
05:50:02 <Hydrazine> since I don't threaten and can't really stop them.
05:50:27 <Hydrazine> Anyway, once we got it all sorted out, Lyta proceeded to call that tower shield fighter every name in the book.
05:50:33 <Hydrazine> She harassed him for the rest of the session.
05:50:51 <Mekkis> looks like I should buy the ARG
05:51:26 <Hydrazine> Called him a yellow bellied coward. Suggested trading the full plate and shield for some good running shoes and a white flag.
05:52:07 <Ballig> oh hey, you can make an aasimar, tengu and tiefling now
05:52:12 <Mekkis> yeah
05:52:12 <Hydrazine> Never had so much fun venting off fury in a game.
05:52:14 <Ballig> well, soon
05:52:20 <Ballig> in a week and a bit
05:52:35 <Mekkis> I wonder if it's legal for me to do that to my uncreated character with a bunch of GM credit
05:52:45 <MincedSushi> Nice!
05:52:51 <Ballig> would look weird auditing it, wouldn't it
05:52:52 <MincedSushi> I imagine he took it well too
05:52:57 <Mekkis> perhaps
05:53:00 <Hydrazine> I think so.
05:53:07 <Hydrazine> One guy did stay.
05:53:13 <Mekkis> I'm sure that the value of asimaar boons has gone through the floor though :P
05:53:16 <MincedSushi> That was nice
05:53:21 <Hydrazine> Got taken prisoner with Lyta.
05:53:44 <Ballig> yeah
05:53:57 <Ballig> I imagine that was the idea to begin with though
05:53:58 <Hydrazine> But yeah, after that first fiasco it was a pretty fun time.
05:54:09 <Ballig> the boon was like beta testing!
05:54:42 <Mekkis> I think they should stick with making rules they can enforce
05:54:42 <MincedSushi> I wanna play a real game Hydra~
05:54:53 <MincedSushi> Run a campaign for me~
05:54:54 <Hydrazine> what defines a real game for you?
05:54:56 <Hydrazine> from a fake game?
05:55:13 <MincedSushi> non modular pfs bs
05:55:30 <MincedSushi> Same aprty, actually rp oppurtunity
05:56:19 <Hydrazine> I know how you feel.
05:56:55 <Hydrazine> overall I feel dissatisfied with society gameplay.
05:56:57 <Hydrazine> I miss Exalted.
05:57:11 <MincedSushi> I am pretty dissatisfied too...
05:57:21 <MincedSushi> I don't however miss running exalted games
05:57:44 <MincedSushi> I have to this day never gotten to play in one
05:57:49 <Ballig> what's your definition of a rule they can enforce
05:58:05 <Hydrazine> Really?
05:58:14 <Hydrazine> Man, we had the coolest abyssal campaign.
05:58:17 <MincedSushi> Yea...
05:58:21 <MincedSushi> xD
05:58:41 <MincedSushi> I haven't run on eof those yet. We did a lunarian campaign last time
05:58:53 <spider21b> what was the campaign like?
05:59:04 <Mekkis> one which is auditable
05:59:17 <MincedSushi> Hell -_-
05:59:19 <Ballig> how isn't this rule auditable?
05:59:46 <Hydrazine> I've played with solars, I think one singular session with lunars, a few games of terrestrial, but mostly abyssal.
05:59:48 <Mekkis> mainly because I don't actually have the chronicle sheets
05:59:52 <MincedSushi> So by the ned of it somehow they ahd decided to slave bondage thier respective solars
06:00:00 <Mekkis> when I decide to play the character, I'll print them out and sign them
06:00:03 <spider21b> ouch
06:00:03 <Hydrazine> ...huh.
06:00:16 <Ballig> what date will you put on them?
06:00:22 <Hydrazine> I didn't think that was really the goal here.
06:00:26 <MincedSushi> And sell them off to the dragon blooded as some type of energy servents
06:00:29 <Mekkis> I probably won't bother filling that bit in
06:00:36 <MincedSushi> it's not!
06:00:48 <Ballig> then that's not a rule that is unauditable, it is a GM deliberately trying to avoid being audited
06:00:48 <Hydrazine> Did the players pull ninja tricks on you?
06:00:52 <Ballig> can't prevent that at all
06:00:56 <MincedSushi> Every fucking time
06:01:02 <MincedSushi> That's what exalted is about though
06:01:03 <Mekkis> that's harsh
06:01:07 <Hydrazine> Its always something when the players' idea of where the game is going, and the DM's idea of where the game is going, is entirely different.
06:01:14 <Ballig> why else would you be avoiding the date
06:01:20 <Mekkis> because I'm lazy?
06:01:40 <Ballig> so it's just coincidence that avoiding the date also avoids having to comply with the timing about your character's face?
06:01:42 <Ballig> face/race
06:01:52 <MincedSushi> Yea, I stopped expecting games to go anywhere and jsut plan for 1/4th of it and the other 3/4th just coms right out of my ass
06:01:52 <Hydrazine> I think what really made our abyssal campaign so amazing, is that myself one of the other party members, were on the same work schedule at the time.
06:02:07 <MincedSushi> Oh?
06:02:38 <Mekkis> I think I'll consult my local VC about this
06:02:38 <Hydrazine> Meaning we had like 12 hours straight of just us together every 3 days.
06:02:45 <Mekkis> in a few months time
06:02:48 <Hydrazine> So we plotted our asses off.
06:03:01 <Mekkis> if/when I actually get around to building the character
06:03:03 <Ballig> okay
06:03:08 <Hydrazine> We would spend the bulk of the workday plotting how to rock this campaign.
06:03:19 <Mekkis> if I haven't already got an asimaar boon
06:03:30 <MincedSushi> xD
06:03:46 <MincedSushi> yep ^^
06:03:58 <Mekkis> happy now?
06:04:10 <Ballig> I don't care what you do man
06:04:16 <Ballig> I was just curious about your comment on rules that can't be enforced
06:04:18 <MincedSushi> Then you'd come back and be like," I'm buying my third level sorcery spells now. Watch me exalt allt he peopl by weaving creation into the,."
06:05:25 <Hydrazine> I didn't even do sorcery. I was moonshadow. All I did was write things down and talk to people.
06:05:39 <MincedSushi> oooOoo~
06:05:45 <MincedSushi> A crafty one then
06:06:00 <Mekkis> like the low-level rebuilds rules
06:06:12 <Mekkis> (which I'm glad they put in now)
06:07:39 <Hydrazine> I think I loved that campaign so much because I played a complete non-combatant and was still very useful in getting the team's missions done.
06:08:07 <Avatar> Mekkis: darkwhite did say PFS works on the honour system
06:08:08 <MincedSushi> Exalted has a very good social system
06:08:20 <Avatar> I'm not sure why you are keen on abusing that
06:08:21 <Mekkis> I know
06:08:37 <MincedSushi> Infact you can do purely social games and "social combats" while still having a good time
06:09:02 <spider21b> btw, i was thinking, for the friday game getting out my dino shaman or my feathers cleric
06:09:09 <Hydrazine> I think D&D and pathfinder lack viable non combat options.
06:09:31 <Mekkis> but I get the impression that a lot of rules don't benefit the game
06:09:44 <Ballig> what's your definition of benefiting the game
06:09:51 <Hydrazine> I feel like if I tried to do the same thing in a pathfinder game, especially society, I'd be a burden to the table.
06:09:56 <MincedSushi> Fridays game sound slike it's going to be teir 4-5 but we lack heals :I
06:10:00 <Mekkis> making it fun for players and DMs
06:10:11 <Ballig> but fun is subjective
06:10:16 <MincedSushi> And Hydra, I agree
06:10:19 <Mekkis> yes it is
06:10:25 <Ballig> it's fun for a lot of players to kill other players, is the "no pvp" rule a rule that doesn't benefit the game
06:10:34 <spider21b> my cleric is level 3 so i dont know if i can get in with him
06:10:35 <MincedSushi> If you ever look aty a game book called Iron Heores
06:10:45 <MincedSushi> you will see a social char that works in combat
06:10:52 <Hydrazine> Healing is in a funny place in D&D and.
06:11:02 <MincedSushi> Spider lvl3 is fine
06:11:07 <spider21b> cool
06:11:11 <Hydrazine> It isn't really effective to do in combat, but you can't really function in the long run without it.
06:11:37 <spider21b> true
06:11:47 <Hydrazine> I think the problem is a lack of alternatives to magical healing.
06:11:52 <MincedSushi> I'd hae to disagree. as long as you are life oracle or a cleric with healing domain it can be very practical
06:12:06 <spider21b> my cleric domain isnt healing
06:12:27 <MincedSushi> That's fine, just means you will have to heal smarter.
06:12:31 <spider21b> its animal ( feathers) and water ( oceans)
06:12:49 <MincedSushi> That sounds fun actually
06:12:58 <Hydrazine> Do you mean specifically post level 6 or even before, Sushi?
06:13:27 <Hydrazine> I'll admit that life oracles have alot of potential, but I don't think the options for practical in combat healing should be so few.
06:13:58 <Hydrazine> pre-6 healing domain isn't any different than a regular cleric.
06:16:47 <MincedSushi> This is true
06:17:11 <MincedSushi> I know back in 3.5 there plenty of feats/builds to make a very effective healer
06:17:30 <Hydrazine> I had one, with a cleric of Pelor.
06:17:35 <MincedSushi> of course
06:17:41 <MincedSushi> radiant servent ftw
06:18:08 <Hydrazine> Also, Midnight abyssals with laughing wounds style and the right manse, breaks exalted.
06:18:13 <MincedSushi> or even battle celric for the mass cure spoell like abilities if that's your thing
06:18:27 <MincedSushi> Everything breaks exalted -_-
06:19:03 <Hydrazine> The bar's set differently, yes.
06:19:35 <Hydrazine> I mean I made something that ignores all bashing and lethal damage, and can roll to ignore aggravated too.
06:20:08 <MincedSushi> 8 sessions in and the players had an army of over 10000 3 dot solars
06:20:29 <Hydrazine> how'd you let that fly?
06:20:36 <MincedSushi> I didn't -_-
06:20:59 <MincedSushi> I whacked them on the face with my abyssal stick
06:21:07 <MincedSushi> They all died
06:21:18 <MincedSushi> I laughed and told them not to abuse shit.
06:21:18 <Hydrazine> ...but theres only 300..
06:21:26 <MincedSushi> There's a sorcery ability
06:21:40 <MincedSushi> where you can awaken any mortal to a solar exalted past the cap
06:22:11 <MincedSushi> or it was like 3 sorceries in conjunction
06:22:17 <MincedSushi> either way it was legit
06:22:26 <MincedSushi> So I made them regret it
06:22:36 <Hydrazine> heh
06:22:39 <Mekkis> giant spider is vermin, correct?
06:24:57 <spider21b> anyone want to play a game like now i found a dm need some players
06:24:59 <Ballig> yeah
06:34:49 <Wrothmonk> What levels is the DM accepting?
06:35:23 <Avatar> synthesists got banned la la la la la
06:37:16 <Wrothmonk> who?
06:37:35 <Avatar> synthesist is a summoner archetype I always hated
06:37:43 <Avatar> and yesterday they were banned from PFS
06:38:02 <Avatar> celebrate good times, cmon
06:39:02 <MincedSushi> I will play
06:40:09 <MincedSushi> Avatar is so happy now that it is confirmed :D
06:41:40 <Wrothmonk> I will play as well if my level 1 character can join in.
06:43:29 <Avatar> ducknuckem is better
06:43:49 <Brunius> groovy_gnu not unix ?
06:45:08 <groovy_gnu> No, I'm not a eunuch.
06:45:16 <Ballig> I am
06:45:18 <Ballig> I'm a eunuch
06:45:34 <groovy_gnu> You must be a great singer then.
06:46:11 <Ballig> I guard harems for a living
06:46:37 <Avatar> where's the game happening spider
06:48:15 <Mekkis> I wish that wasn't true
06:52:53 <MincedSushi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HnwhGgsgXc
06:52:56 <MincedSushi> Wtf
06:55:08 <Hydrazine> You're in the weird part of youtube again.
06:55:25 <MincedSushi> Everydamn day
06:57:41 <MincedSushi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwnBw4DVITI&feature=related
06:57:44 <MincedSushi> Le shit
06:57:52 <MincedSushi> hendrix has nothing on this guy
06:57:59 <ducknuckem> lol
06:59:22 <Hydrazine> huh.
06:59:59 <MincedSushi> Give hima couple years and this guy will be fantastic
07:01:22 <Avatar> da da da, synthesists, they got banned, la la la
07:01:53 <MincedSushi> lol
07:01:55 <MincedSushi> Avatar
07:01:59 <MincedSushi> Singing his song
07:02:11 <Avatar> and also dancing
07:02:19 <Avatar> you can't see that but rest assured I am
07:02:34 <Hydrazine> How many synths have you seen in game?
07:02:46 <Avatar> 3 I think
07:08:48 <Hydrazine> Who?
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07:10:58 <Avatar> nightmare, xyniel and one in person
07:11:11 <Avatar> whose name escapes me
07:11:16 <Wrothmonk> I guess were not having a game then :(
07:11:17 <Avatar> some version of the devil's name
07:11:31 <MincedSushi> Spider made me sade
07:12:23 <Avatar> maybe he didn't see you volunteer to play
07:13:11 <Wrothmonk> Did he pm anyone at all to join?
07:13:39 <Avatar> that's pretty wishful thinking if he didn't reply in channel to anyone :P
07:14:09 <Wrothmonk> yeah but still, I want to play a game ASAP. I'm bored :/
07:14:48 <MincedSushi> I would like to do something easy
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07:15:31 <Avatar> spider you have people keen to play here
07:15:32 <Avatar> can someone tell me why paizo think new characters should have their abilities decided before (race and) class
07:16:18 * Wrothmonk raises hand
07:16:27 <Hydrazine> Ever look at any of the sidereal martial arts, Sushi?
07:16:29 <Hydrazine> That shit is nuts.
07:17:42 <MincedSushi> No I haven't
07:18:06 <Hydrazine> Birth of the Perfect Ego Juggernaut.
07:18:19 <Avatar> I can hear the wind blowing outside and I am scared to go out there
07:18:32 <Hydrazine> You make the target epicly succeed everything they do for the next minute. 10 automatic successes on everything.
07:18:41 <MincedSushi> :I
07:18:54 <Avatar> 1st level character retraining is pretty wicked
07:18:59 <Hydrazine> This falls off 1 a minute, until they're back to normal. But they still think they're doing everything perfectly.
07:19:31 <MincedSushi> That's useful as a character assult sociallay and as a player buff
07:20:03 <Avatar> I need to get myself a mini
07:20:09 <Avatar> or maybe some lego men
07:20:17 <Hydrazine> Except for the part where it makes you bloody insane.
07:20:27 <Avatar> I want a lego witch like I had during ruby phoenix tournament, thanks brunius
07:21:14 <MincedSushi> I find most people are already insane
07:21:20 <Wrothmonk> ^^
07:21:24 <MincedSushi> or could find a way around that
07:21:30 <Wrothmonk> Thats a statement I can agree on.
07:23:16 <Mekkis> Avatar, because Paizo (and I) agree that you should identify your character as a character rather than as a race/class combination
07:24:59 <Hydrazine> Theres another that replaces every stranger's face the target sees with someone they recognize.
07:25:37 <Ballig> Avatar: just remember that synthesists got banned
07:25:42 <Ballig> and nothing will get in your way today! nothing!
07:27:27 <MincedSushi> Oh man I passed back intot he weird part fo the internet again
07:27:53 <Wrothmonk> you mean you passed out of the small normal part.
07:28:01 <Avatar> I know!
07:28:06 <Avatar> that's exactly what I feel like
07:28:17 <Avatar> I can take on anything
07:28:23 <Wrothmonk> Who is this synthesists I keep hearing about?
07:28:32 <Ballig> if your new boss gives you shit, just be all like "You know what? Synthesists got banned, so I don't care if you're being a dick."
07:28:44 <Avatar> [06:37] <Wrothmonk> who?
07:28:44 <Avatar> [06:37] <Avatar> synthesist is a summoner archetype I always hated
07:28:44 <Avatar> [06:37] <Avatar> and yesterday they were banned from PFS
07:28:44 <Avatar> [06:37] <Avatar> celebrate good times, cmon
07:28:48 <MincedSushi> They're a type of summoner that get thier eidpolons everything
07:29:02 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
07:29:05 <MincedSushi> They wear their summon likea suit
07:29:13 <Ballig> they basically took on the best aspects of their eidolons and themselves
07:29:16 <Ballig> to become a super being
07:29:22 <MincedSushi> and get all thier physical sats and health pool
07:29:35 <Avatar> so you could make 3 of your stats set at 7, and the eidolon would later convert them to 15s and 16s
07:29:43 <MincedSushi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr-jrq7ZxtQ&feature=player_embedded#!
07:29:46 <Avatar> while your other 3 stats are already 16s and 18s
07:29:50 <Alfwyn> for me that goes back and forth - my (imagined) character abilities defines race and class, which in turn refines the character
07:30:12 <Alfwyn> that is, there are several iterations of fluff influenting crunch and crunch influencing fluff
07:30:26 <Avatar> your race/class is your character
07:30:36 <Avatar> not how strong you are or how wise you are
07:30:56 <Avatar> the mechanics demand it
07:31:13 <Wrothmonk> I suddenly don't want to play sushi cat anymore.
07:31:15 <Alfwyn> ah, but I chosse the machaincs because I want a certain character
07:31:23 <Avatar> I don't think you rolled your summoner and synthesist based on what stats you randomly decided on
07:31:25 * Wrothmonk was playing sushi cat when minced linked video
07:32:03 <MincedSushi> :D
07:32:11 <Avatar> what
07:32:26 <MincedSushi> I warned you all
07:33:30 <Avatar> man
07:33:40 <Avatar> I can't make my paladin sczarni based on the description in the guide
07:33:42 * Wrothmonk yells in despair "WHY DIDNT I LISTEN!?!?!?"
07:33:45 <Hydrazine> wtf
07:34:03 * MincedSushi cheers for the rise of Sushi
07:34:36 <Wrothmonk> Oh the cat copter video just loaded.
07:34:43 <Wrothmonk> That one was actually cool and went viral.
07:35:00 <Wrothmonk> Occasionally the weird stuff gets tons of views.
07:35:38 <Alfwyn> yeah, he would have to oppose most sczarni values
07:35:39 <MincedSushi> By the way I started this long long road with neurosurgery traning videos
07:35:49 <MincedSushi> That was three hours ago
07:36:04 <MincedSushi> Admittedly I watched the surgery ones for an hour but still
07:36:24 <Alfwyn> he sure could have sczarni roots however
07:36:38 <Wrothmonk> O.o
07:36:56 <Wrothmonk> I think I know how you got to the dead sushi bit.
07:37:12 <Wrothmonk> Neurosurgery is f***in bloody if I remember right.
07:37:17 <MincedSushi> That was a actually a link form a thing about dubai's failing economy
07:37:28 <MincedSushi> Actually the brain is not so bad
07:37:43 <Wrothmonk> Dafuq… Do I want to know….
07:37:49 <Wrothmonk> No. I don't think I do.
07:37:52 <MincedSushi> Not unless you are actually performing on the tissues and arteries therof
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07:38:20 <MincedSushi> But for the must part I was just watching entry and cracking methods
07:38:27 <MincedSushi> I need to work on those :I
07:38:37 <Wrothmonk> Welp apparently there will be no game...
07:38:41 <Wrothmonk> Dont..
07:38:44 <Wrothmonk> continue
07:38:46 <Wrothmonk> in
07:38:48 <Wrothmonk> detail.
07:38:57 <MincedSushi> lol
07:39:00 <Wrothmonk> I am squeamish and have a good imagination.
07:39:04 <Wrothmonk> Its a curse!
07:39:06 <MincedSushi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=52W-ahfPjbg&NR=1
07:39:08 <Hydrazine> this sushi movie looks hilarious.
07:39:16 <MincedSushi> spider loves cocaine
07:39:19 <Avatar> I had a good concept for it but after reading that description I have no idea what it was
07:39:43 <Avatar> it's quite a specific description in the guide
07:39:49 <Wrothmonk> http://www.google.com/imgres?q=i+f***in+love+cocaine&hl=en&client=safari&sa=X&rls=en&biw=743&bih=702&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=JD8gr9T9f4Ou7M:&imgrefurl=http://www.uselesshumor.com/2011/08/funny-pictures-animals-love-cocaine.html&docid=Ri_-GKatohC9iM&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eTAVyt1pzqo/TlWRXWNnIRI/AAAAAAAAO7o/zOf8s-OyhyU/s1600/i_fucking_love_cocaine_Animals_with_really_good_mood-s466x462-100168-580.jpg&w=466&h=462&ei=HIshUIK-CoXPqQHjvY
07:39:49 <Wrothmonk> &zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=102&vpy=113&dur=1444&hovh=224&hovw=225&tx=111&ty=100&sig=102867897651094326005&page=1&tbnh=154&tbnw=180&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:75
07:39:58 <Wrothmonk> gah stupid google and your long links!
07:40:18 <Avatar> oh yeah look it could be done
07:40:37 <Avatar> it is sort of worded in a way of 'most likely to do this/be this'
07:40:51 <Avatar> the important part is I need justification to do faction shit
07:40:56 <Avatar> they should just take down that silly search thing
07:41:29 <Alfwyn> that will be tough, since most faction golas wouldn't be in line with a paladin ethos
07:41:33 <MincedSushi> xD
07:41:38 <Wrothmonk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpdOyoqsXzo&feature=g-all-u This is the funny part of weird youtube.
07:41:57 <MincedSushi> nice!
07:42:33 <Brunius> night guys
07:43:25 <Hydrazine> I've played real life frogger.
07:43:32 <Hydrazine> Its about the only way to cross the street here.
07:43:47 <Wrothmonk> Chicago ftw!
07:44:00 <Wrothmonk> Real life frogger every hour.
07:44:02 <MincedSushi> lol
07:44:31 <Wrothmonk> Hard levels between 8 am and 9 am. Also between 5 pm an 7 pm
07:45:59 <MincedSushi> Oh nad bonus round challenge on friday at 11pm
07:46:16 <MincedSushi> Those cars swerve and become unpredictable
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07:46:42 <Wrothmonk> If you want to play extreme, you will have to go to new york.
07:46:54 <Wrothmonk> However it is only taxi cabs.
07:47:05 <Hydrazine> Eh. I been there. It wasn't so bad really. They go slow.
07:47:12 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
07:47:19 <Wrothmonk> wait I got it!
07:47:32 <Wrothmonk> New york: Frogger, ninja addition!
07:47:36 <MincedSushi> Only one place truly bad
07:47:37 <MincedSushi> Laos
07:47:40 <MincedSushi> They don't stop
07:47:42 <Wrothmonk> You have to jump over those to get across!
07:47:42 <Hydrazine> My nearest serious intersection is 6 lanes across and 45 mph.
07:47:44 <mib_d0x6n3> hello i was wondering if i can join the game on sat at either 9 am or sun 1 pm?
07:47:52 <MincedSushi> :D
07:48:02 <MincedSushi> Persons :D
07:48:33 <Hydrazine> Um, I think theres still room.
07:48:50 <MincedSushi> I thought so... But the Friday game is going to be higher level i think
07:49:10 <MincedSushi> Saturday game*
07:49:13 <mib_d0x6n3> ok but i just created my first level char
07:49:19 <Hydrazine> Your best bet is to sign up on the website and show up at the right time with a character ready.
07:49:26 <Wrothmonk> Both tier 1-5 from the schedule I'm looking at.
07:49:33 <Hydrazine> And yeah, theres a chance a game might be too high.
07:49:44 <Hydrazine> 1-5 is broken into 1-3 and 4-5 subgroups.
07:49:45 <MincedSushi> I have emails from Mort saying 4-5
07:50:05 <Hydrazine> Well, that solves issues of me trying to get in.
07:50:05 <Wrothmonk> mmm ok.
07:50:32 <mib_d0x6n3> ohh ok i have a question the new rules says i can be a tiefling is that ok and im using the rules from blood of fiends
07:50:46 <MincedSushi> said something about upteiring it to 4-5 because it's an easy module and everyone is 3ish
07:51:07 <Avatar> what is blood of fiends
07:51:16 <mib_d0x6n3> a book for tieflings
07:51:25 <MincedSushi> I've never heard of it :<
07:51:29 <mib_d0x6n3> its suppported
07:51:58 <mib_d0x6n3> if you can make tieflings on the additional resorses page on piazo
07:51:58 <MincedSushi> Hey real quick use the /nick command to set yourself a name
07:52:01 <Avatar> have you played pathfidner society before
07:52:08 <mib_d0x6n3> ok
07:52:09 <MincedSushi> so type /nick <insertname>
07:52:17 mib_d0x6n3 is now known as rymen13
07:52:24 <MincedSushi> There we go ^^
07:52:26 <rymen13> yes i have
07:52:42 <rymen13> but my others are long gone
07:52:46 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/tiefling.html#tiefling
07:52:55 <Avatar> the tiefling rules are down the bottom there
07:53:18 <rymen13> and in blood of fiends there is new bloodlins
07:53:27 <MincedSushi> There are also variant rules int he advanced race although I'm not sure if that's compatible
07:53:47 <Avatar> have you registered on the site
07:53:52 <rymen13> yes
07:54:02 <MincedSushi> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8qzz
07:54:03 <rymen13> this or paizo?
07:54:06 <MincedSushi> looks legit to me
07:54:32 <rymen13> yep thats the one
07:54:52 <rymen13> look under add'l resources if you need
07:55:16 <rymen13> they say you need a boon but the new pfs says you dont
07:55:18 <MincedSushi> Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of Fiends
07:55:18 <MincedSushi> To create a Tiefling character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.
07:55:18 <MincedSushi> Bloodlines: daemon bloodline is not legal for Pathfinder Society; Feats: all feats on pages 24–25 are legal; Heritages: all heritages on pages 18–23 are legal; Magic: bard masterpieces are legal; Other: variant tiefling abilities on pages 16–17 are not legal for Pathfinder Society; oracle curses on page 26 are legal; Inquisitons on pages 26–27 are legal; Subdomains: all subdomains on page
07:55:18 <MincedSushi> 15 are legal; Traits: all traits on pages 30–31 are legal
07:55:29 <Avatar> I've sent out invites to shades of ice, but there's only 1 more slot left
07:55:44 <Avatar> it's possible we might have a no-show or two though
07:56:00 <MincedSushi> Yep ^^
07:56:10 <MincedSushi> Show up to gmae and I'm sure you can graba spot
07:56:24 <Avatar> I'm glad they clarified that "under 5" fame is 0gp max
07:56:26 <rymen13> 4.2 or .3 is the new pfs guide just came out so did you see you can create them free?
07:56:29 <Avatar> I was never quite sure when reading that table
07:56:41 <rymen13> oh ok
07:57:11 <Avatar> is your character ready yet
07:57:14 <rymen13> and aasmars and kenku are availbe free too
07:57:24 <rymen13> 3 new races
07:57:27 <Avatar> rymen13
07:57:37 <rymen13> yeah?
07:57:41 <Avatar> is your character ready yet
07:57:51 <rymen13> yep its one pdf
07:57:53 <MincedSushi> Yep, I'm jsut sad they didn't open up some others especially when Assimar is pretty rediculous
07:58:03 <Avatar> send it over to me
07:58:11 <rymen13> how?
07:58:25 <Avatar> if you get an IRC client, you can do it through IRC
07:58:26 <rymen13> sorry im new to over the internet
07:58:37 <rymen13> ohh im on web
07:58:46 <Avatar> make sure you register an account on www.pfrpg.com.au
07:58:50 <Avatar> I've gotta run
07:58:53 <rymen13> ok it will come
08:00:35 <rymen13> and yah the pdf is form fillable
08:02:22 <MincedSushi> So what sort of char did you make?
08:02:27 <MincedSushi> Teifling obviously
08:05:02 <rymen13> yes sorry was working on sending
08:05:25 <rymen13> rogue and is a rakshsa born
08:05:36 <MincedSushi> Sounds like fun :D
08:06:01 <rymen13> yeh the spell is detect thoughts 1 a day
08:06:05 <MincedSushi> What sort of rogue?
08:06:27 <MincedSushi> That could deffinately come in handy!
08:06:32 <rymen13> hmm stealthy and very high ac
08:06:40 <rymen13> yah i know
08:06:56 <rymen13> 18 ac because of the race +2 dex
08:07:19 <rymen13> -2wis though but +2 cha too
08:08:02 <MincedSushi> You'll find I don't care about stats so much is your char awesome and what does he do
08:08:22 <MincedSushi> Everyone talks stats and numbers here. I talk capabilities
08:08:35 <rymen13> ohh mostly desguise
08:08:43 <MincedSushi> :D
08:08:56 <rymen13> and the bamm sneak attack lol
08:09:06 <MincedSushi> Well of course
08:09:21 <rymen13> wierd shes lawful neutral
08:09:22 <MincedSushi> I want to makea disguese rogue but that would ahve tow ait for the kitsune
08:09:34 <MincedSushi> Why's that weird?
08:09:55 <rymen13> nevermind i guess thats not
08:10:08 <rymen13> more orderly kils
08:10:45 <rymen13> yah kitsune would be awsome but i cant get to cons to get boons live up north in the usa
08:10:55 <MincedSushi> I live down south
08:11:03 <MincedSushi> Flying out to gen con
08:11:10 <MincedSushi> only 400 roundtrip
08:11:16 <rymen13> nice!! i wish i could go
08:11:24 <MincedSushi> D:
08:11:31 <MincedSushi> I'm sad that you can't
08:11:31 <rymen13> maine is where i live
08:11:35 <rymen13> yah
08:11:45 <Avatar> darkwhite said something about 7 player tables going out the window
08:11:45 <MincedSushi> I'm Cali
08:11:52 <Avatar> but 4.2 still says the same thing about 7 player tables
08:11:59 <rymen13> nice ive been there around orage county
08:12:08 <MincedSushi> Where I am
08:12:22 <rymen13> lol thats funny
08:12:29 <MincedSushi> :D
08:12:59 <rymen13> i need to do mostly online games no local people up here play it very annoying
08:13:19 <rymen13> but i get the books anyway hopeing someday
08:13:35 <MincedSushi> I have local games but I like the randomness of the community here
08:14:21 <rymen13> yah its preety coll to get different people and the 9 am time what time zone is that?
08:14:30 <rymen13> im est
08:14:47 <MincedSushi> that's AU
08:15:02 <MincedSushi> That'll be friday night
08:15:07 <MincedSushi> at like midnight for you
08:15:26 <rymen13> OO guess ill be at the next one
08:15:50 <MincedSushi> friday at 7pm to 1am
08:16:08 <MincedSushi> and Sat 11pm to 3:30 am
08:16:21 <MincedSushi> Are the games they have posted iny our time
08:16:38 <rymen13> no not that i know
08:16:39 <MincedSushi> Set your account to your time zone
08:16:52 <MincedSushi> which should be -4
08:17:09 <MincedSushi> Then the games will automatically convert when you are logged in
08:17:16 <MincedSushi> So you will know exactly when ^^
08:17:21 <rymen13> ok
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08:17:51 <Steven> cant find anything on this on the forums
08:18:01 <Steven> came up last week
08:18:12 <Steven> a guy used a vicious weapon on a construct
08:18:27 <Avatar> mekkis
08:18:30 <Avatar> here's an idea for what to do with nightmare
08:18:37 <Avatar> make a character who is good at diplomacy
08:18:47 <Steven> would it still deal damage since constructs are immune to necromancy effects
08:19:06 <Steven> i mean the extra 2d6
08:19:09 <rymen13> wow those i cannot do
08:19:35 <rymen13> maybe the one till 1am
08:20:10 <MincedSushi> I don't think it would
08:20:18 <rymen13> cause it starts at 7pm so i hope
08:21:12 <rymen13> but it looks full darn
08:21:26 <MincedSushi> Show up and see
08:21:31 <MincedSushi> I'll be there
08:21:39 <rymen13> ok i will
08:22:02 <Steven> I dont think so either, but... im trying to find a ruling
08:22:23 <MincedSushi> let me take a look
08:23:53 <MincedSushi> It won't work if the contruct is immune to necromancy spells
08:23:55 <MincedSushi> period
08:24:10 <MincedSushi> The spell the ability is made form is necromancy and so is the dmaage
08:25:02 <Steven> its not conclusive sadly, because constructs with magic immunity still take damage from magic weapons
08:25:15 <MincedSushi> But it's negative energey
08:25:20 <MincedSushi> That is conclusive
08:25:31 <MincedSushi> magic is the blanket
08:25:39 <MincedSushi> but they have specific immunity agianst it
08:26:03 <Avatar> oh wow, languages is clarified in character creation
08:26:31 <Avatar> and finally tells you that golarion languages exist
08:26:59 <MincedSushi> Just the same way an undead using a visious weapon is so mean
08:27:13 <MincedSushi> They heal and do the damage just the same to you
08:27:36 <Mekkis> Steven, yes it would
08:27:53 <Mekkis> magic immunity is the same as saying SR Infinite
08:27:57 <Avatar> mekkis: the paizo believes you should identify your character as a character argument doesn't hold water when you see the last step includes 'appearance' and
08:28:01 <Avatar> 'history'
08:35:03 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
08:35:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think I'll need to: he has two diplomacy-related traits I probably can't get away with changing
08:37:05 <Mekkis> Avatar, didn't you read the section in the guide covering alignment infractions?
08:37:14 <Mekkis> "I was following orders" is a sufficient excuse
08:45:12 <Steven> James Jacobs says constructs can be harmed by it woot woot
08:46:52 <Steven> and vicious wouldnt heal an undead according to the response jacobs gave.
08:47:28 <Steven> The extra damage caused by a vicious weapon affects all creatures that can take damage. It's not any specific type of damage. If anything, it's additional damage of the type your weapon inflicts. Vicious weapons radiate necromancy, but that's more a result of the spells used to craft it than it is a result of its actual effect.
08:47:29 <MincedSushi> link
08:47:58 <Steven> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2u4o&page=418?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#20861
08:49:55 <MincedSushi> Seriously? That's screwd up and contrary to item crafting as it's presented
08:51:06 <Steven> i dunno if ide want a Vicious Great Axe wielding skeleton
08:51:38 <MincedSushi> It wa s athing in 3.5
08:51:53 <MincedSushi> They were freaking mean and a good way to scale mooks
08:52:27 <Steven> ill just point to 'differences between 3.5 and pfs' sign
08:52:27 <MincedSushi> made vampires actually a threat for their cr
08:52:30 * Steven points
08:52:37 <MincedSushi> I'm not taking about that
08:53:25 <MincedSushi> in 3.5 it specifically says negative, but here it's a necromancy effect that has a necromancy aura witha spell that does negative energy and yet it doesn't apply
08:53:42 <MincedSushi> I realise this is probably balancing rules
08:54:22 <Steven> well... if it were negative energy it would open up the magic weapon up to feat increases that would just be dick mode
08:54:40 <MincedSushi> magic weapons don't get those bonuses
08:54:48 <MincedSushi> unleass the ability specifically says
08:54:48 <Steven> rules balances ftw!
08:55:00 <MincedSushi> such as the djins racial
08:55:55 <Steven> or the Dhampir positive/negative energy thing
08:56:15 <MincedSushi> that's just saying he would get it to healing as per undead
08:56:23 <MincedSushi> Which is the benefit behind it
08:56:47 <MincedSushi> Or would be
08:57:27 <Steven> yes, but basically it would promote a vicious dual wielding character
08:57:58 <Steven> just dumping on fools doing +4d6 damage and healing 2d6...
08:58:02 <Steven> ugh... nasty shit!
08:58:07 <MincedSushi> It would balance out something that otherwise is a huge weakness
08:59:01 <Steven> meh.... i dont think we need to balance that specific weakness
08:59:32 <MincedSushi> A otherwise meh race is given the ability he can't be healed normally?
09:00:34 <Steven> a wand of inflict light wounds costs the same as cure light
09:01:02 <Steven> i chalk it up to making sacrifices to get a unique character
09:01:06 <MincedSushi> And doesn't heal for shit except after a fight
09:01:22 <MincedSushi> If I havea boon you damn well bet it won't go to a damphir
09:01:36 <MincedSushi> slyph or kitsune maybe
09:01:39 <Steven> they arent bad at all really
09:01:52 <MincedSushi> but without the ability to be healed proper never a damphir
09:01:55 <Steven> oh and mekkis, nobody has a character boon they are willing to trade.
09:02:13 <MincedSushi> You can trade boons?
09:02:44 <Steven> yes
09:03:00 <Steven> unless they are linked to a character
09:03:15 <Steven> like i have one on ausk that i cant trade,
09:03:24 <Steven> I can be a fetchling
09:03:57 <MincedSushi> :D
09:04:03 <MincedSushi> I'm getting two for Gencon
09:04:14 <MincedSushi> So maybe I might have one for you in a bit
09:04:39 <MincedSushi> oh shit or not
09:04:47 <MincedSushi> Gencon is this month nto next xD
09:05:08 <Steven> Ausk now has three ships, a townhouse, a caravan
09:05:13 <MincedSushi> brb calling airline to cancel my tickets ><
09:05:16 <Steven> and some random other little boons
09:08:51 <Steven> its damn near 100 over here
09:09:05 <MincedSushi> 0_o
09:09:07 <MincedSushi> I'm sorry
09:09:20 <MincedSushi> Aren't you up norht?!
09:09:30 <MincedSushi> How the balls is it hotter up there then down south
09:10:00 <Steven> no breeze...
09:10:02 <Steven> and its august
09:11:01 <MincedSushi> Here in ca no breeze and it's augest but it's 76
09:11:12 <Steven> coast?
09:11:12 <MincedSushi> at sea lvl
09:11:18 <MincedSushi> nope inland
09:11:30 <Steven> i dunno then.... its annoying shit though
09:12:42 <MincedSushi> I'm sorry man
09:13:01 <Steven> its no biggie the heat
09:13:06 <Steven> for me its the fact my fan broke
09:13:10 * Steven cries
09:13:27 <MincedSushi> :<
09:14:54 <Steven> ill be up in cali in the middle of the month
09:15:03 <Steven> at my grandmas where she got AC
09:15:04 <Steven> woot woot
09:15:10 <Steven> and sam will be bitching at me through a phone lol
09:17:05 <MincedSushi> lol
09:17:15 <MincedSushi> So how be the lady person?
09:17:44 <Steven> at work
09:17:59 <Steven> and been giving me hell for the last week
09:19:00 <MincedSushi> >_<
09:19:06 <MincedSushi> Such is the way of woman folk
09:19:20 <Steven> yeah shes pissy cause im going to california without her
09:20:12 <MincedSushi> Why didn't she go with?
09:20:21 <Steven> she has work
09:20:29 <MincedSushi> Then she can't bitch
09:20:34 <MincedSushi> should have taken the time off xD
09:20:53 <Steven> she doesn't have vacation time yet
09:21:18 <Steven> i think shes mostly mad because i wont be driving her to work or making foods for her lol
09:22:15 <MincedSushi> xD
09:23:02 <MincedSushi> brb
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09:55:42 <Brunius> she can't drive herself to work or make her own food?
09:57:58 <Steven> shes spoiled lol
09:58:38 <Steven> i already told her i would be making sacrifices too, like not getting to sleep with her... she called me a pig and punched me
09:58:51 <Steven> and i couldnt stop laughing
09:59:07 <Brunius> ha
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10:28:03 <MincedSushi> Back
10:28:08 <MincedSushi> Had to fix a laptop
10:47:49 <MekkisScreen> Steven: who are you sacrificing?
10:50:16 <Steven> im considering a chaste woman... sadly sam isnt one
10:50:20 <Steven> ouch...
10:50:50 <Steven> she pinched me
10:50:54 <Steven> and hard...
10:51:16 <Brunius> What, for telling the truth.
10:52:24 <Steven> i know
10:56:45 <Steven> she said cause i said it like it was a negative
10:56:54 <Steven> i told her to go back to work lunch is over
10:57:06 <Brunius> Bet that went down well
10:57:13 <Steven> i said it very charmingly
10:57:22 <Steven> she says i said it like an ass and im a liar
10:57:31 <Steven> oh and im supposed to get up off my lazy ass and take her to work
10:57:38 <Brunius> Why
10:57:45 <Brunius> Then you have to pick her up from work too
10:57:59 <Steven> these things are called illogical
10:58:15 <Steven> its a common female trait
10:58:27 <Brunius> I've met plenty of logical females
10:58:45 <Brunius> It simply doesn't seem to apply in certain cases
10:59:00 <Brunius> ...that made no sense
11:09:57 <Wrothmonk> Lets face it. The male human subspecies will never understand completely all human women subspecies.
11:22:25 <Brunius> Man, what the hell is sucking up so much bandwidth
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12:29:42 <Steven> prawn
12:31:54 <Brunius> Crappy HW assignments
12:34:59 <Steven> too much work not enough prawn watching?
12:39:23 <Brunius> 9 hours, 10 minutes remaining T.T
12:39:32 <Brunius> To download 112Mb
12:41:37 <Brunius> That's 3kb/second
12:41:40 <Brunius> dafuq
12:45:23 <Wrothmonk> jesus I don't get internet that fast.
12:45:33 <Wrothmonk> What in the world are you downloading? the entire internet?
12:45:43 <Brunius> http://files.tom4897.info/Bohemia_Interactive/arma_2oa/addons/islands/lingor_v14_lite_new.7z
12:46:21 <Wrothmonk> yeah somethins buggy with your internet.
12:46:51 <Brunius> really?
12:46:54 <Brunius> I hadn't noticed.
12:47:05 <Brunius> brb restarting router
12:47:13 <Wrothmonk> Good idea.
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12:50:14 <Brunius> Well, I'm up to 100kb/s on that particular dl
12:53:00 <Wrothmonk> Well thats an improvement.
12:53:07 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876
12:53:24 <Wrothmonk> Although you must have something else running…
12:53:29 <Wrothmonk> oh wait, its the irc probably.
12:53:45 <Brunius> Considering I'm supposed to get 16mb/s...
12:53:59 <Brunius> (Max I've had on this compy is 1mb/s)
12:54:31 <Brunius> IRC isn't sucking up 900kb/s
12:54:42 <Brunius> or if it is, there's something wrong
12:56:01 <Wrothmonk> hrmmmm
12:57:49 <Wrothmonk> any programs running besides the download and the irc?
12:58:01 <Brunius> xfire, firefox
12:58:05 <Brunius> openoffice
12:59:08 <Wrothmonk> You have a secure network?
12:59:17 <Brunius> I sure as hell hope so
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12:59:37 <Wrothmonk> Since if its just that somebody may be using your internet. I'm just going through the possibilities.
12:59:40 <Brunius> The wireless filters based on MAC address so it's probably not the neighbours hijacking
13:00:03 <Wrothmonk> mmmm Possibly your provider is having trouble.
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13:59:24 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: because MAC spoofing only takes about 3 minutes...
13:59:39 <MekkisScreen> (or one command on linux)
14:00:02 <Steven> its my birthday tomorrow!
14:00:08 <Steven> 3hrs and its my birthday
14:00:28 <MekkisScreen> ifconfig wlan0 hw ether c0:ff:ee:c0:ff:ee
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14:53:47 <Brunius> Wouldn't they have to know my MAC address in the first place?
15:01:43 <MekkisScreen> steven, I need help
15:02:06 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: shove your wireless card in promiscous mode and BAM, it's there
15:02:22 <Brunius> I don't have a wireless card
15:02:24 <Brunius> Checkmate
15:02:58 <Steven> what up mekkis
15:03:05 <MekkisScreen> one of the PCs in my group likes wildshaping into an earth elemental
15:03:24 <Steven> ok
15:03:28 <MekkisScreen> and attacking people from underground or with spells while underground
15:03:37 <Steven> ok
15:03:38 <MekkisScreen> is this kosher?
15:03:56 <Steven> technically no
15:04:06 <Steven> whatever part of him is attacking has to be out of the stone
15:04:25 <Steven> his face has to be outside of the stone to be able to see the person
15:04:26 <MekkisScreen> so they could ready an action to hit him?
15:04:45 <Steven> ready an action to hit him, he has partial cover but completely hittable
15:04:58 <MekkisScreen> ok
15:06:06 <Steven> if he is casting a spell that has S/V/M components his face and arms have to be outside of the stone
15:06:56 <Steven> because while in the stone his material components are made out of stone and not out of whatever else they are supposed to be made out of
15:11:15 <MekkisScreen> doesn't natural spell get around that?
15:15:12 <Steven> natural spell gets around the material component portion of it
15:16:23 <Steven> but casting inside of stone allows for no sound to generate, which wont allow verbal components to be activated properly
15:16:49 <MekkisScreen> I thought it allowed you to use merged material components
15:17:35 <Steven> yes
15:18:44 <Steven> natural spell gets around the material component portion of i
15:24:43 <MekkisScreen> Hmmmm
15:25:16 <MekkisScreen> he only tends to do it when he's low on hp
15:25:52 <MekkisScreen> so I don't know how much of an issue it really is
15:36:05 <Steven> is it disruptive to play
15:37:12 <Brunius> You mean more than the fact that he's pseudo invincible while he's doing it?
15:39:41 <Steven> so he goes pseudo invincible, a creature with a fly speed negates the power...
15:41:11 <Steven> i mean, it might be annoying but so long as it doesnt become disruptive to play then ide just let it go
15:45:13 <MekkisScreen> it just means the other pcs have a much higher chance of dying
15:46:35 <Steven> well just remember he cant cast a spell from inside the stone...
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15:46:56 <Steven> without some part of him being visable
15:48:05 <MekkisScreen> Or aoo right
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15:50:14 <Steven> no AOO at all
15:50:47 <Steven> unless he wants to stay visable enough to hit
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17:10:26 <Avatar> hi, are synthesists still banned?
17:10:34 <Avatar> yes they are! la la la!
17:12:15 <MekkisScreen> I'M MAKING ITZAMNA A SYNTHESIST!
17:12:20 <MekkisScreen> sorry caps
17:12:39 <Avatar> you can't, they are banned
17:12:50 <MekkisScreen> yes I can
17:12:50 <Avatar> la la la
17:12:52 <MekkisScreen> :)
17:12:57 <Avatar> no they are banned
17:13:38 <MekkisScreen> in spite of the ban I can
17:13:52 <Avatar> why, because it's not enforced
17:15:12 <MekkisScreen> no, because itzamna's Just That Good
17:15:36 <Avatar> no he's not
17:15:42 <Avatar> itzamna is good enough to break rules
17:18:03 <MekkisScreen> There are spells which achieve synthesis
17:20:10 <Avatar> if you're going to build a character that requires feats and spells and extra attacks and lots of skill points then that means you've actually worked for that power
17:20:14 <Avatar> it's not the same as the synthesist
17:20:31 <Avatar> it's not the same as 'give him a level of synthesist'
17:20:38 <MekkisScreen> nope. just one third level spell
17:22:05 <Avatar> what spell is that
17:22:17 <MekkisScreen> Marionette posession
17:23:00 <MekkisScreen> question: if you beast form into a young giant spider, do you apply the young template before or after the beast shape?
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17:29:43 <Avatar> that spell doesn't allow you to use any of the eidolon's evolutions
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17:30:22 <MekkisScreen> well.. that's sort of incorrect
17:30:48 <MekkisScreen> you can directly control the eidolon, so you get racial bonuses and special attacks
17:30:52 <MekkisScreen> likepounce
17:31:04 <Avatar> pounce is an extraordinary ability
17:31:26 <MekkisScreen> you get them right?
17:31:37 <Avatar> what?
17:31:48 <MekkisScreen> (don't worry, I won't actually do it)
17:32:03 <Avatar> because you can't
17:32:13 <Avatar> not with any reasonable effect anyway
17:50:18 <Ballig> Avatar: you do actually get some of those abilities, depending on the spell
17:50:26 <Ballig> Beast Shape II and above gives you things like grab, pounce, trip
17:53:13 <Avatar> not with marionette posession
17:53:27 <Avatar> he's talking about posessing his eidolon
18:01:38 <Ballig> hmm
18:02:14 <Ballig> I think combining spells like that is unnecessarily complicated
18:03:01 <Ballig> you are right in that pounce is an extraordinary ability and marionette possession doesn't let you activate those, it just becomes needlessly complicated because pounce is given by a spell
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18:29:39 <MekkisScreen> technically, pounce isn't "activated"
18:32:13 <Ballig> can you think of an off-hand example of an extraordinary ability that is
18:38:19 <MekkisScreen> will o the wisp's invisibility
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19:45:11 <Avatar> rymen's got a weird tiefling setup that I'm pretty sure isn't legal
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19:53:34 <MekkisScreen> link?
19:53:44 <MekkisScreen> who's rymen?
19:58:04 <Avatar> a newbie who was in this morning
19:58:46 <MekkisScreen> oh noo
19:59:19 <MekkisScreen> tieflings ur
19:59:25 <MekkisScreen> are not legal
20:02:56 <Avatar> what
20:03:02 <Avatar> what is ur
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20:15:44 <Brunius> have you got a sheet
20:15:48 <Brunius> or a link to a sheet
20:16:07 <Avatar> yeah
20:16:12 <Avatar> he emailed it to me, hang on
20:16:18 <Avatar> there's not much on it
20:16:21 <Avatar> the point buy looks wrong
20:20:24 <Avatar> https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/sara-tolman_rymen_ryan_tolman.pdf?w=801d62d4
20:20:46 <Brunius> Which character did Skilmar play?
20:20:53 <Avatar> don't know
20:21:09 <Brunius> You aren't going to force me to look through my logs, are you?
20:21:11 <Avatar> I only remember henry and kendra
20:21:20 <Avatar> I'm not forcing you to do anything
20:21:29 <Avatar> what do you want me to do, remember?
20:22:44 <Brunius> Well, yeah
20:22:47 <Brunius> ideally
20:22:51 <Avatar> lolllll
20:23:32 <Brunius> Skilmar's timezone problems were probably due to daylight savings
20:28:55 <Brunius> I haven't got permission to get to that link, Avatar
20:31:12 <Brunius> Avatar, did my link post to that thread in the google group?
20:32:10 <Brunius> Avatar, are you listening to me
20:32:17 <Brunius> !throw 1d1 connection?
20:32:18 <diebot> Brunius, connection?: [1d1=1] 1
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20:33:16 <Brunius> Snypt
20:33:19 <Brunius> Come to unicon
20:33:32 <snypt> when is it?
20:33:34 <Brunius> (Is unicon even on this year?)
20:33:44 <Brunius> Term 3/4 holidays
20:33:50 <Brunius> So late september?
20:33:55 <snypt> really?
20:34:01 <snypt> they dont even have a website
20:34:06 <snypt> itll probs fail
20:34:18 <snypt> or they just didnt update it from last yr
20:34:25 <snypt> mekkis coming again?
20:35:38 <Avatar> it'll be on
20:35:45 <Avatar> everyone's going
20:35:47 <Avatar> you too
20:35:53 <snypt> oh really?
20:36:06 <Avatar> yeah
20:36:09 <snypt> i get to see you with short hair
20:36:18 <snypt> lol last year we both had ponytails
20:36:24 <Avatar> yeah man we will be like twins
20:36:29 <snypt> mine was way more awesome tho
20:36:33 <Avatar> that's a lie
20:36:36 <Brunius> I dunno if I'll have the money in between buying ~300 sleeves, a GM flip mat, and potentially going to the RtR Prerelease
20:36:50 <Avatar> what
20:36:55 <Avatar> are you skipping out on a PFS con
20:37:03 <snypt> he did it last year too
20:37:05 <Brunius> Think I skipped out on it last year too
20:37:09 <Avatar> what's going on
20:37:12 <Avatar> I thought you went for a day
20:38:02 <Brunius> Nah that was conquest
20:38:12 <snypt> yeah i skipped conquest
20:38:29 <Avatar> what level are your characters snypt
20:38:40 <snypt> 2 i think
20:38:48 <snypt> i just have one pfs character
20:39:15 <Avatar> what's that nonsense
20:39:27 <snypt> ive been really lazy
20:39:34 <snypt> i havnt played since unicon last year
20:40:50 <Avatar> the idea of playing online is that you can be lazy
20:44:46 <snypt> unicon is sat/sun yeah?
20:45:34 <Avatar> dunno, dates aren't up yet
20:45:42 <Avatar> it'll be over a weekend at least
20:45:58 <snypt> bah if i go on the sunday ill have to wag from church
20:46:22 <snypt> my girl will get pissy if she finds out it is for pathfinder =P
20:46:27 <Avatar> wait till they have dates up before you decide
20:46:31 <Avatar> bring her along
20:47:04 <snypt> then she will find out for sure that im skipping for pathfinder
20:51:17 <Ballig> haha church
20:51:31 <Ballig> what are you, 10
20:54:54 <snypt> adults go to church too you know
20:55:01 <snypt> are you coming down for unicon u wanker?
21:05:11 <Ballig> probably not!
21:09:12 <snypt> weak!
21:09:27 <snypt> get your arse down here
21:09:36 <snypt> melbourne is where all the cool people hang
21:11:10 <ducknuckem> They hang cool people?
21:11:15 <ducknuckem> Jealous bastards!
21:12:11 <Ballig> yeah that doesn't seem like somewhere I'd be dying to visit
21:13:00 <snypt> you got nothing to worry about ballig
21:13:08 <Ballig> ha
21:30:25 <MekkisScreen> should I fly down for unicon again?
21:34:23 <snypt> yes you should
21:51:56 <Avatar> you should come ballig
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22:42:57 <Brunius> Christ, didn't realise the time
22:43:01 <Brunius> I'm gonna be so tired tomorrow
22:43:04 <Brunius> Night guys
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