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00:07 <Steven> its my birthday tomorrow!
00:14 <Steven> 3hrs and its my birthday
00:33 <MekkisScreen> ifconfig wlan0 hw ether c0:ff:ee:c0:ff:ee
26:48 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 11th 9am (Mort,tier 1-5) / Sun 12th 1pm (Avatar,tier 1-5) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
26:48 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Aug  5 18:52:55 2012
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53:52 <Brunius> Wouldn't they have to know my MAC address in the first place?
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01:48 <MekkisScreen> steven, I need help
02:11 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: shove your wireless card in promiscous mode and BAM, it's there
02:27 <Brunius> I don't have a wireless card
02:30 <Brunius> Checkmate
03:03 <Steven> what up mekkis
03:10 <MekkisScreen> one of the PCs in my group likes wildshaping into an earth elemental
03:29 <Steven> ok
03:33 <MekkisScreen> and attacking people from underground or with spells while underground
03:42 <Steven> ok
03:43 <MekkisScreen> is this kosher?
04:02 <Steven> technically no
04:12 <Steven> whatever part of him is attacking has to be out of the stone
04:30 <Steven> his face has to be outside of the stone to be able to see the person
04:31 <MekkisScreen> so they could ready an action to hit him?
04:50 <Steven> ready an action to hit him, he has partial cover but completely hittable
05:03 <MekkisScreen> ok
06:11 <Steven> if he is casting a spell that has S/V/M components his face and arms have to be outside of the stone
07:01 <Steven> because while in the stone his material components are made out of stone and not out of whatever else they are supposed to be made out of
11:20 <MekkisScreen> doesn't natural spell get around that?
15:17 <Steven> natural spell gets around the material component portion of it
16:28 <Steven> but casting inside of stone allows for no sound to generate, which wont allow verbal components to be activated properly
16:55 <MekkisScreen> I thought it allowed you to use merged material components
17:40 <Steven> yes
18:50 <Steven> natural spell gets around the material component portion of i
24:48 <MekkisScreen> Hmmmm
25:21 <MekkisScreen> he only tends to  do it when he's low on hp
25:57 <MekkisScreen> so I don't know how much of an issue it really is
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36:10 <Steven> is it disruptive to play
37:17 <Brunius> You mean more than the fact that he's pseudo invincible while he's doing it?
39:46 <Steven> so he goes pseudo invincible, a creature with a fly speed negates the power...
41:16 <Steven> i mean, it might be annoying but so long as it doesnt become disruptive to play then ide just let it go
45:18 <MekkisScreen> it just means the other pcs have a much higher chance of dying
46:40 <Steven> well just remember he cant cast a spell  from inside the stone...
47:01 <Steven> without some part of him being visable
48:10 <MekkisScreen> Or aoo right
50:19 <Steven> no AOO at all
50:53 <Steven> unless he wants to stay visable enough to hit
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10:31 <Avatar> hi, are synthesists still banned?
10:39 <Avatar> yes they are! la la la!
12:20 <MekkisScreen> I'M MAKING ITZAMNA A SYNTHESIST!
12:25 <MekkisScreen> sorry caps
12:44 <Avatar> you can't, they are banned
12:55 <MekkisScreen> yes I can
12:55 <Avatar> la la la
12:57 <MekkisScreen> :)
13:02 <Avatar> no they are banned
13:43 <MekkisScreen> in spite of the ban I can
13:57 <Avatar> why, because it's not enforced
15:17 <MekkisScreen> no, because itzamna's Just That Good
15:42 <Avatar> no he's not
15:47 <Avatar> itzamna is good enough to break rules
18:09 <MekkisScreen> There are spells which achieve synthesis
20:15 <Avatar> if you're going to build a character that requires feats and spells and extra attacks and lots of skill points then that means you've actually worked for that power
20:19 <Avatar> it's not the same as the synthesist
20:36 <Avatar> it's not the same as 'give him a level of synthesist'
20:43 <MekkisScreen> nope. just one third level spell
22:10 <Avatar> what spell is that
22:22 <MekkisScreen> Marionette posession
23:05 <MekkisScreen> question: if you beast form into a young giant spider, do you apply the young template before or after the beast shape?
29:48 <Avatar> that spell doesn't allow you to use any of the eidolon's evolutions
30:27 <MekkisScreen> well.. that's sort of incorrect
30:54 <MekkisScreen> you can directly control the eidolon, so you get racial bonuses and special attacks
30:57 <MekkisScreen> likepounce
31:09 <Avatar> pounce is an extraordinary ability
31:31 <MekkisScreen> you get them right?
31:42 <Avatar> what?
31:53 <MekkisScreen> (don't worry, I won't actually do it)
32:08 <Avatar> because you can't
32:18 <Avatar> not with any reasonable effect anyway
50:23 <Ballig> Avatar: you do actually get some of those abilities, depending on the spell
50:31 <Ballig> Beast Shape II and above gives you things like grab, pounce, trip
53:18 <Avatar> not with marionette posession
53:32 <Avatar> he's talking about posessing his eidolon
01:43 <Ballig> hmm
02:20 <Ballig> I think combining spells like that is unnecessarily complicated
03:06 <Ballig> you are right in that pounce is an extraordinary ability and marionette possession doesn't let you activate those, it just becomes needlessly complicated because pounce is given by a spell
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29:44 <MekkisScreen> technically, pounce isn't "activated"
32:18 <Ballig> can you think of an off-hand example of an extraordinary ability that is
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38:24 <MekkisScreen> will o the wisp's invisibility
39:29 <Hydrazine> G'day.
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44:25 <Steven> what up
44:38 <Hydrazine> Not steven!
44:54 <Steven> yup steven
45:08 <Steven> its okay, its noon and im birthday'd out
45:11 <Steven> tired as fuck
45:29 <Hydrazine> heh.
45:31 <Hydrazine> getting old.
45:51 <Steven> jerry and i downed a six pack each from midnight to One
46:40 <Steven> sam came home 'made' me go to bed
47:14 <Steven> morning time... an extra special wake up
47:25 <Steven> followed by breakfast that i didnt have to cook
47:47 <Steven> dude i feel like ive had a full day and theres still birthday dinner tonight followed by more sex... 
48:02 <Steven> and probably a fair amount of drinking
48:17 <Steven> as my brother and his girl will be comming over
48:24 <Steven> i think... imma nap
48:32 <Steven> prolly around 2-4pm
48:58 <Steven> how you doin hydra?
50:33 <Steven> oh and my grandpa sent me birthday cash.... dude im doing so awesome right now
50:51 * Steven busts a somewhat tired looking groove
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27:21 <Hydrazine> cool birthday man.
27:23 <Hydrazine> I'm jelly.
31:57 <Steven> dont be jelly!
32:06 <Steven> i also have to go to the DMV...
32:12 <Hydrazine> Why?
32:29 <Steven> my drivers license needs renewed
34:53 <Hydrazine> Fun.
45:16 <Avatar> rymen's got a weird tiefling setup that I'm pretty sure isn't legal
53:39 <MekkisScreen> link?
53:49 <MekkisScreen> who's rymen?
58:09 <Avatar> a newbie who was in this morning
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58:51 <MekkisScreen> oh noo
59:24 <MekkisScreen> tieflings ur
59:30 <MekkisScreen> are not legal
03:01 <Avatar> what
03:07 <Avatar> what is ur
15:50 <Brunius> have you got a sheet
15:53 <Brunius> or a link to a sheet
16:12 <Avatar> yeah
16:17 <Avatar> he emailed it to me, hang on
16:23 <Avatar> there's not much on it
16:26 <Avatar> the point buy looks wrong
20:29 <Avatar> https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/sara-tolman_rymen_ryan_tolman.pdf?w=801d62d4
20:51 <Brunius> Which character did Skilmar play?
20:58 <Avatar> don't know
21:14 <Brunius> You aren't going to force me to look through my logs, are you?
21:16 <Avatar> I only remember henry and kendra
21:25 <Avatar> I'm not forcing you to do anything
21:34 <Avatar> what do you want me to do, remember?
22:49 <Brunius> Well, yeah
22:52 <Brunius> ideally
22:56 <Avatar> lolllll
23:37 <Brunius> Skilmar's timezone problems were probably due to daylight savings
29:00 <Brunius> I haven't got permission to get to that link, Avatar
31:18 <Brunius> Avatar, did my link post to that thread in the google group?
32:16 <Brunius> Avatar, are you listening to me
32:22 <Brunius> !throw 1d1 connection?
32:23 <diebot> Brunius, connection?: [1d1=1] 1
33:21 <Brunius> Snypt
33:24 <Brunius> Come to unicon
33:37 <snypt> when is it?
33:39 <Brunius> (Is unicon even on this year?)
33:49 <Brunius> Term 3/4 holidays
33:55 <Brunius> So late september?
34:01 <snypt> really?
34:06 <snypt> they dont even have a website
34:11 <snypt> itll probs fail
34:23 <snypt> or they just didnt update it from last yr
34:30 <snypt> mekkis coming again?
35:43 <Avatar> it'll be on
35:50 <Avatar> everyone's going
35:52 <Avatar> you too
35:58 <snypt> oh really?
36:11 <Avatar> yeah
36:14 <snypt> i get to see you with short hair
36:23 <snypt> lol last year we both had ponytails 
36:30 <Avatar> yeah man we will be like twins
36:34 <snypt> mine was way more awesome tho
36:38 <Avatar> that's a lie
36:41 <Brunius> I dunno if I'll have the money in between buying ~300 sleeves, a GM flip mat, and potentially going to the RtR Prerelease
36:55 <Avatar> what
37:00 <Avatar> are you skipping out on a PFS con
37:08 <snypt> he did it last year too
37:10 <Brunius> Think I skipped out on it last year too
37:14 <Avatar> what's going on
37:17 <Avatar> I thought you went for a day
38:07 <Brunius> Nah that was conquest
38:17 <snypt> yeah i skipped conquest
38:34 <Avatar> what level are your characters snypt
38:45 <snypt> 2 i think
38:53 <snypt> i just have one pfs character
39:20 <Avatar> what's that nonsense
39:32 <snypt> ive been really lazy 
39:39 <snypt> i havnt played since unicon last year
40:55 <Avatar> the idea of playing online is that you can be lazy
44:51 <snypt> unicon is sat/sun yeah?
45:40 <Avatar> dunno, dates aren't up yet
45:47 <Avatar> it'll be over a weekend at least
46:03 <snypt> bah if i go on the sunday ill have to wag from church
46:27 <snypt> my girl will get pissy if she finds out it is for pathfinder =P
46:32 <Avatar> wait till they have dates up before you decide
46:36 <Avatar> bring her along
47:09 <snypt> then she will find out for sure that im skipping for pathfinder
51:22 <Ballig> haha church
51:36 <Ballig> what are you, 10
55:00 <snypt> adults go to church too you know
55:06 <snypt> are you coming down for unicon u wanker?
05:16 <Ballig> probably not!
09:17 <snypt> weak!
09:32 <snypt> get your arse down here 
09:41 <snypt> melbourne is where all the cool people hang
11:15 <ducknuckem> They hang cool people?
11:20 <ducknuckem> Jealous bastards!
12:17 <Ballig> yeah that doesn't seem like somewhere I'd be dying to visit
13:05 <snypt> you got nothing to worry about ballig
13:13 <Ballig> ha
19:14 <Hydrazine> So if you're a wroth monk.. how come you made a ranger?
21:17 <Avatar> lol
23:51 <Avatar> maybe he'll be a multiclass monk
26:28 <Avatar> look at that, rymen's rakshasa tiefling is legal
26:35 <Avatar> rakshasa is a heritage
30:31 <MekkisScreen> should I fly down for unicon again?
31:51 <Avatar> point buy is still wrong though
32:58 <Avatar> do tieflings normally get resistances
34:04 <Wrothmonk> Actually a wrothmonk is a warlock.
34:12 <Wrothmonk> Speciffically one that has gone mad.
34:28 <snypt> yes you should
35:12 <Avatar> maybe you'll be a multiclass...witch/wizard/sorcerer ?
35:34 <Wrothmonk> mmm maybe later once I get a feel for the pathfinder rules.
36:02 <Avatar> what have you played before
36:47 <Wrothmonk> I've played D&D but don't know which version, it was a few years ago.
37:10 <Wrothmonk> I've also played a player made alteration where it was the D&D system but set in the future and with different skills.
37:35 <Hydrazine> I played some future d20! I loved it.
38:12 <Avatar> let me guess why
38:15 <Avatar> guns
38:17 <Avatar> lots of guns
38:24 <Wrothmonk> lol.
38:27 <Hydrazine> Actually I was the only person in the game as a melee.
38:34 <Hydrazine> Now ain't that some egg on your face.
38:38 <Avatar> that's crazy talk
38:47 <Hydrazine> Dead serious.
38:57 <Avatar> how could you play a game that allows guns and then not use them !!
38:58 <Hydrazine> Played a barbarian in a future campaign.
39:03 <Wrothmonk> I played an engineer. I made my own lazer weapons :p
39:11 <Hydrazine> Because I had a laser chainsaw.
39:19 <Wrothmonk> Awsome.
39:23 <Wrothmonk> They didn't have that in my game.
39:24 <Avatar> I dunno man
39:29 <Avatar> did it make things explode
39:35 <Hydrazine> Yes.
39:40 <Avatar> ok well at least that is something
39:47 <Wrothmonk> Just something?
39:53 <Wrothmonk> EXPLOSIONS ARE AWSOME!
39:54 <Hydrazine> Because everyone knows that all high tech vehicles when sufficiently damaged, will explode.
39:54 <Avatar> well it's not a gun !!
40:23 <Hydrazine> I had a fighter (rifleman) in a later future d20.
40:24 <Avatar> man I really need to play my gunslinger soon or I am going to lose it
40:27 <Hydrazine> But he was broken OP.
40:41 <Hydrazine> He was way broke.
40:42 <Avatar> but not like those other guys lost their synthesists
41:23 <Hydrazine> Apparently the line for whats broken in PFS and what isn't has more to do with cheating the point buy than doing a ton of damage.
41:35 <Hydrazine> Its easy to make a fighter or even a monk with more potential damage than a syn.
41:46 <Hydrazine> Gunslingers don't even have to try.
42:00 <Wrothmonk> Well that is a fair line.
42:03 <Avatar> I found raising damage was really a natural thing
42:13 <Avatar> you can't speed it up 
42:24 <Wrothmonk> Cheating the point system is effectively breaking the rules.
42:32 <Avatar> reloading is a setback early on
42:44 <Wrothmonk> Even if the current rules don't prevent it. 
42:48 <Hydrazine> But you do have crazy accuracy.
43:11 <Hydrazine> And chances are, the harder the monster is for everyone else to hit, the gunslinger's still just fine.
43:24 <Wrothmonk> Hey I got invited to the game!
44:35 <Avatar> didn't you get an email about it
44:46 <Avatar> I sent that invite like two days ago
44:48 <Avatar> or more
45:03 <Avatar> I'm just asking in case something's broken
45:03 <Wrothmonk> I've been having troubles with my email lately. 
45:09 <Hydrazine> Avatar, want to hear how my future d20 rifleman ended up?
45:09 <Avatar> okay 
45:16 <Avatar> yes but I am running late for work
45:56 <Wrothmonk> I would like to hear as well. 
47:10 <Hydrazine> Level 12. 18/18/13/8 full attack cycle, at 6d12+1 per, +an extra damage roll for every 3 points the attack roll beat AC by, up to 5 per.
47:54 <Wrothmonk> Damn.
49:03 <Hydrazine> Packs an underbarrel grenade launcher loaded with smoke grenades, and electronics to disable nearby radar/thermal imagine, and sees through the smoke just fine with a racial ability.
49:33 <Wrothmonk> O.o
49:50 <Hydrazine> Oh, and it crits x3.
50:45 <Hydrazine> I think I only ran it like once, and made something new after that.
51:26 <Hydrazine> the autofire rules are pretty cool.
51:49 <Hydrazine> But you've definately got to do something to throw DR around or its instadeath everywhere.
52:01 <Avatar> you should come ballig
03:03 <Avatar> Hydrazine: they might not care so much about damage because at higher levels, doing that kind of heavy damage becomes a necessity
10:00 <Avatar> it's funny that I am still getting job rejections
10:05 <Avatar> now I look at them and laugh HA HA HA
11:25 <Hydrazine> what is your job now anyway?
11:56 <Avatar> helpdesk admin for clothes stores for the dept of defence
12:17 <Avatar> uniforms and the like
12:19 <Hydrazine> So your helpdesk for a uniform store?
12:33 <Avatar> yeah
12:41 <Hydrazine> huh.
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12:55 <Avatar> it's complicated
12:56 <Avatar> I gotta run
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43:02 <Brunius> Christ, didn't realise the time
43:06 <Brunius> I'm gonna be so tired tomorrow
43:10 <Brunius> Night guys
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58:26 <S711> Which of the following is correct: kbps; KBps; kBps; Kbps?
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16:29 <Wrothmonk> You mean to imply, that this channel was completely good until now?
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35:03 <MekkisScreen> s711 what  are you referring it
35:24 <MekkisScreen> kiB/s
36:52 <Hydrazine> I want a girl who gets up early! I want a girl who stays up late!
36:59 <Hydrazine> I want a girl whose... damn tired, I guess.
37:26 <S711> MekkisScreen: MP3 compression.
37:55 <MekkisScreen> kilobits per second?
38:03 <MekkisScreen> kilobytes per second?
38:18 <MekkisScreen> kibibits per secord?
38:26 <MekkisScreen> kilobits per sample?
39:51 <MekkisScreen> to be unambiguous, I like kbit/s
40:04 <MekkisScreen> kbps is als acceptable
40:41 <Wrothmonk> kibitz per second? That sounds like how much my dog eats per second.
40:42 <S711> OK, thanks, I was wondering if I should capitalise any characters in there or not.
41:58 <MekkisScreen> if talking bits, don't
42:37 <MekkisScreen> (for Mbps, Gbps and Tbps, you need to capitalise the prefix)
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37:24 <MekkisScreen> I dislike all the 1/day things that oracles get
00:49 <MekkisScreen> maybe a juju oracle
00:55 <MekkisScreen> or heavens..
42:08 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: I want a girl who's only up every second day
42:43 <Wrothmonk> MekkisScreen: I want a girl that sleeps once a month.
43:14 <MekkisScreen> Wrothmonk: you want to give a girl attention 24/7?
43:32 <Wrothmonk> lol
43:40 <Wrothmonk> You know what I meant.
44:04 <MekkisScreen> yes
44:17 <MekkisScreen> have you got a character Wrothmonk 
44:27 <Wrothmonk> Yeah.
44:38 <Wrothmonk> Elf ranger.
47:55 <MekkisScreen> human-hunter?
48:18 <Wrothmonk> No, lol.
48:36 <MekkisScreen> what does he hunt?
48:58 <MekkisScreen> a lot of PfS rangers fight humans
49:14 <Wrothmonk> Animals. Profession as a butcher. 
49:26 <MekkisScreen> wow
49:42 <MekkisScreen> thar's unusual
50:18 <Wrothmonk> I didn't know about hunting humans being normal.
50:34 <Wrothmonk> Considering they are a playable race after all...
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51:10 <MekkisScreen> they also account for about 50% of the enemies you"ll face
51:24 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
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52:07 * Wrothmonk shrugs
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54:22 <Wrothmonk> Doesn't really matter. I'll get another favored enemy in a few levels.
07:08 <MekkisScreen> and the pathfiner society is full of psychopaths, elvish supremecists, fundamentalists and psychopaths make up the bulk of the Pathfinder Society
08:22 <MekkisScreen> I believe that part of the Pathfinder Society's training is 'how to have no quarms about kill humans and anyone else who isn't a pathfinder"
09:05 <MekkisScreen> most of the NPC rangers also take classes on killing humans and rangers
09:17 <MekkisScreen> and elves or dwarves
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22:28 <Hydrazine> Its a dog eat dog world out there.
22:45 <eric> or so the goblins hope
25:48 <eric> I'm wondering if we will hear Mort speak when she runs the game, or if it will all be typed.
26:04 <Hydrazine> Probably all typed.
26:18 <Hydrazine> Her microphone's kind of shit, her household is loud.
26:29 <Hydrazine> Overall its just not really easy to understand her speaking.
27:50 <eric> I've only heard her a couple of times and her english is excellent, but it is quite the train station in her house
33:31 <Hydrazine> Ofcourse her english is excellent. Shes in Singapore, they speak better english than pretty much any of my fellow Americans.
35:10 <eric> better english than many English....
35:52 <eric> anyhow, workday tomorrow, see you online Fridayish
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56:11 <Wrothmonk> Hey I just noticed. I have my time zone set to GMT -5. However the times on the schedule are listed as -4 unless I change my time zone to -6.
57:26 <Wrothmonk> Are the times right for -5 when its displaying -4 and its just a display glitch with the one column, or is it both the time and time zone and I need to go by the time it shows when it shows the time zone being -5 got?
57:28 <Wrothmonk> gmt*
04:13 <Wrothmonk> Well since nobody seems to be active I'll just go with the earliest time.
04:22 <Wrothmonk> Worst case I'm an hour early :)
05:28 <Wrothmonk> or 3 :/
05:55 <MekkisScreen> not sure
07:28 <Wrothmonk> Yeah something is messed up here.
08:40 <Wrothmonk> My main problem being it shows it as one day on time, then the next day the other time.
09:28 <Wrothmonk> Wait no, I was clicking the wrong link.
09:33 <Wrothmonk> Now it kinda makes sense.
09:44 <Wrothmonk> Still three hours apart but same day.
23:53 <MekkisScreen> Heh
39:34 <Hydrazine> G'day.
44:30 <Steven> what up
44:43 <Hydrazine> Not steven!
45:00 <Steven> yup steven
45:13 <Steven> its okay, its noon and im birthday'd out
45:16 <Steven> tired as fuck
45:35 <Hydrazine> heh.
45:36 <Hydrazine> getting old.
45:56 <Steven> jerry and i downed a six pack each from midnight to One
46:45 <Steven> sam came home 'made' me go to bed
47:20 <Steven> morning time... an extra special wake up
47:30 <Steven> followed by breakfast that i didnt have to cook
47:52 <Steven> dude i feel like ive had a full day and theres still birthday dinner tonight followed by more sex... 
48:08 <Steven> and probably a fair amount of drinking
48:22 <Steven> as my brother and his girl will be comming over
48:29 <Steven> i think... imma nap
48:38 <Steven> prolly around 2-4pm
49:03 <Steven> how you doin hydra?
50:38 <Steven> oh and my grandpa sent me birthday cash.... dude im doing so awesome right now
50:57 * Steven busts a somewhat tired looking groove
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24:33 <MekkisScreen> We should kill off avatar's characters again
25:36 <MekkisScreen> I should play a paladin who does really evil things in the name of his faction, claiming he was following orders
34:23 <Wrothmonk> aren't paladins, like, holy warriors or something?
49:01 <MekkisScreen> yeah
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06:52 <MekkisScreen> So they're only allowed to torture, rape and pillage when asked to by the Society or their faction leader
07:37 <MekkisScreen> hehe
10:49 <Avatar> what
11:03 <Avatar> where did that come from
13:34 <MekkisScreen> :alignment infractions in the new guide
14:08 <MekkisScreen> I'm going to start summoning devils and stuff and say the my faction leader told me to!
14:25 <MekkisScreen> and try to get the party paladin in on it!
14:26 <Avatar> how does killing me into that
14:56 <Avatar> come
15:06 <MekkisScreen> if I say that my faction leader told me to!
15:21 <MekkisScreen> because it furthers the cause of Taldor
15:45 <Wrothmonk> So you can do anything if you said your faction leader told you to?
16:15 <MekkisScreen> only after August 16
16:22 <Avatar> so wait a minute
16:29 <Wrothmonk> I really shouldn't say anything… I might get banned for vulgarity.
16:30 <Avatar> I can be a sczarni paladin and cut off people's tongues and shit?
16:42 <Avatar> without fear of needing to atone?
16:46 <MekkisScreen> yeah
16:51 <Avatar> well I LIKE this
16:52 <MekkisScreen> it's bs
16:53 <Avatar> yes I do
17:15 <Avatar> ps. faction leaders don't ever ask you to kill other player pathfinders >:(
17:22 <Wrothmonk> What about rape?
17:41 <Avatar> harm in any way
18:06 <Wrothmonk> I don't need to say anything… I don't need to say anything… I don't need to say anything...
18:31 <Wrothmonk> My mind is a messed up place. BRB I need to stop thinking.
18:32 <MekkisScreen> that's metagaming Avatar...
18:46 <Avatar> it's acceptable metagaming Mekkis....
18:50 <MekkisScreen> besides, there is at least one that does
19:27 <MekkisScreen> and in season 4, doing something that "furthers the cause of your faction" is part of you standing orders
19:27 <Wrothmonk> And one with a really /sick/ mind...
19:49 <MekkisScreen> if getting rid of a pesky Paladin furthers Taldor's goals, then......
20:03 <Avatar> it's never another player
20:11 <Wrothmonk> Does spreading faction DNA count as furthering the cause?
20:31 <MekkisScreen> depends on how you interpret your missions
20:57 <MekkisScreen> say that you're told to "do X without anyone else seeing"
21:07 <MekkisScreen> blind men don't see...
21:09 <Wrothmonk> Kill everyone that sees.
21:24 * Wrothmonk plays assassins' creed
22:01 <Avatar> are you going to dispel that blindness
22:25 <MekkisScreen> probably not
22:30 <Avatar> then you can't do it
22:30 <MekkisScreen> dispel magic's not in my spellbook
22:33 <Avatar> mission failed for trying
22:44 <MekkisScreen> and abjuration's a prohibited school
22:53 <MekkisScreen> how is that mission failed?
23:25 <MekkisScreen> don't ongoing spell effects end after the scenario?
23:45 <Avatar> you're actively harming another player
23:56 <MekkisScreen> no
23:59 <Avatar> yes
24:01 <MekkisScreen> you're harming another character
24:05 <MekkisScreen> BIG difference
24:06 <Avatar> a player's character
24:20 <Avatar> don't play semantics, you know what I mean and that you can't do it
24:49 <MekkisScreen> but my faction leader said so!
25:02 <Avatar> your faction leader didn't say blind your teammate
25:13 <MekkisScreen> he say hide, I hide with BIG AXE!
25:30 <Wrothmonk> He said to bring more to our cause! Teaching from birth is easy!
26:57 <Wrothmonk> That awkward moment when everybody suddenly goes silent when you were the last to say something.
27:05 <Avatar> if I was harmed by another player against my will, that would be the last time I play with that GM and he'd probably get reported
27:26 <MekkisScreen> yeah
27:28 <Avatar> I think someone tried to do something like that in one of my games, I asked the victim if he was willing to accept it, he said no, so he couldn't do it
27:29 <MekkisScreen> take it out on the GM
27:52 <MekkisScreen> so there's a rogue near an enemy
27:59 <MekkisScreen> he's hiding, you can't see him
28:12 <MekkisScreen> are you saying that you should metagame and not fireball him?
29:08 <Avatar> mekkis read p20 of the PFS guide
29:16 <MekkisScreen> which one?
29:16 <Avatar> there's a specific section there which, in your words, says to metagame this
29:33 <Avatar> the section that says "No Player-versus-Player Combat"
29:40 <MekkisScreen> which guide?
29:42 <Avatar> or "Do Not Bully Other Players"
29:44 <Avatar> the PFS guide
29:58 <MekkisScreen> which version
30:04 <Avatar> the latest version 
30:15 <MekkisScreen> the one that's not official yet
30:25 <Avatar> find it in the old version if you like
30:26 <Avatar> it's there
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30:38 <MekkisScreen> it says killing
30:49 <Avatar> it says no childish behaviour
30:50 <MekkisScreen> plus, he had evasion
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31:29 <couple4fun> we are in melbourne <<
31:38 <Avatar> are you playing dungeons and dragons
31:56 <Wrothmonk> I once played with a GM that said if your roll succeeded, you could do anything.
32:09 <Avatar> was that organised play
32:09 <Wrothmonk> We once got a rouge with all his points in stealth.
32:18 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: it was...
32:24 <couple4fun> huh?
32:31 <MekkisScreen> the rogue was played by Josh (I think his name was)
32:35 <couple4fun> anyone interested in a 3 tonight msg us
32:37 <MekkisScreen> couple4fun: are you looking for a/s/l?
32:54 <Avatar> couple4fun: how about you play some dungeons and dragons with us?
33:14 <couple4fun> ok
33:27 <Wrothmonk> Wut just happened?
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34:01 * MekkisScreen votes for a ban
34:41 <couple4fun> ok
35:30 <Wrothmonk> Did a guy just join, asking if anybody wanted a threesome (Sex), just suddenly agree to play D&D?
35:44 <Avatar> yeah
35:47 <Avatar> roll up a character
35:53 <MekkisScreen> yes, but I am extremely skeptical about the last bit
36:00 <Wrothmonk> My got the c***blocking powers of D&D are amazing
36:04 <Wrothmonk> god*
36:12 <Avatar> cmon none of that
36:14 <couple4fun> yes lets play
36:21 <Avatar> ok what class will you play
36:31 <couple4fun> you choose
36:36 <Avatar> no it's your character
36:37 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: what if Josh (you know the really loud guy we meet at cons) was playing the rogue?
36:50 <Avatar> Mekkis: what about it
36:51 <Wrothmonk> BRB chat client is glitching.
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37:18 <couple4fun> ok lets start
37:32 <Avatar> okay go download a character sheet first
37:35 <Avatar> and pick a class
37:40 <MekkisScreen> You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.
37:43 <MekkisScreen> What do you do?
37:54 * Wrothmonk is confused as f***
38:26 <Wrothmonk> I have no words to express how confused I am at what just happened...
40:14 <couple4fun> I choose
40:17 <couple4fun> my turn now
41:36 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
41:41 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@c379c204.bigpond.net.au
41:41 Avatar has kicked couple4fun from #d&d (bye)
41:51 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: what if Steven was DMing, and he allowed it?
42:11 <Avatar> why would it be different with steven
42:22 <MekkisScreen> it shouldn't be
42:29 <Avatar> then why are you asking
42:30 <MekkisScreen> but the fireball was allowed then
42:42 <Avatar> you've lost me
42:44 <Avatar> what are you talking about
42:47 <MekkisScreen> I wasn't going to metagame it
43:12 <MekkisScreen> Mytiazair fireballed Josh's rogue, while he was hiding, because Mytiazair couldn't see him
43:26 <MekkisScreen> and there was an enemy nearby
43:37 <Avatar> that's not the same thing, accidents happen
43:42 <MekkisScreen> fortunately, the rogue had evasion
43:48 <MekkisScreen> unfortunately, he failed his save
44:01 <Avatar> knowingly blinding a party member - not an AoE effect - so you can complete your faction mission is quite different
44:10 <MekkisScreen> I could have metagamed the fireball to miss him
44:13 <Avatar> against their will at least
44:25 <MekkisScreen> ok
44:33 <Avatar> can I ask you
44:35 <MekkisScreen> so glitterdust is OK, but Blindness/Deafness isn't?
44:38 <Avatar> is this stuff you really genuinely don't know
44:46 <Avatar> because you seem smart enough to be able to work this out
44:56 <Avatar> it feels like you're just testing the waters
45:20 <MekkisScreen> it feels like you are unclear about what should be allowed, so testing the waters is a good way of determining this
45:43 <Avatar> if you don't know the person is there, then glitterdust is going to work
45:52 <MekkisScreen> if you don't
45:56 <MekkisScreen> or if your character doesn't?
45:57 <Avatar> if you do know the person is there, and he's okay with you hitting him, it's going to work
46:13 <Avatar> if you do know the person is there, and he's not okay with you hitting him, and you can avoid it, it's not going to work
46:22 <MekkisScreen> so casting sleet storm in order to hide your actions is fine?
47:02 <Avatar> are you casting sleet storm to any other benefit apart from hiding your actions
47:30 <Avatar> because if you cast it for no apparent reason except to metagame trying to trick the party when we all know what you're doing, then that's not going to work
47:43 <Avatar> trick the players*
48:08 <Avatar> all of this falls under the category of childish behaviour or pvp
48:46 <Avatar> you can't always test the waters like this mekkis, it'll start pissing people off
48:46 <MekkisScreen> I remember getting hit with a Holy Smite...
48:54 <Avatar> you need to know what's reasonable
49:29 <Avatar> if you genuinely have an inability to be able to tell what's reasonable sometimes, you might need to forewarn the GM
50:27 <MekkisScreen> everyone's definitions of 'reasonable' vary 
51:26 <Avatar> it's what's generally accepted as reasonable
52:22 <MekkisScreen> "generally accepted' is such a weasel word
52:42 <Avatar> it's a weasel word if you want to drill everything down to the atomic level
52:56 <Avatar> otherwise it's commonsense so that you don't have to drill down everything to its atomic level
53:42 <MekkisScreen> looks like I should be casting sleet storm more
59:23 <MekkisScreen> what about cloudkill?
59:30 <MekkisScreen> create pit?
01:07 <MekkisScreen> Rod of Wonder?
04:56 <Avatar> rod of wonder might let you get away with stuff more than anything else
06:57 <MekkisScreen> what about using high-level scrolls and failing wisdom checks
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08:32 <Wrothmonk> Rod of Wonder?
09:02 <Wrothmonk> I don't think I'm cut out for serious play with this many dirty jokes waiting to happen.
09:14 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate wonder
09:15 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 40:  Lightning bolt (70 ft. long 5 ft. wide) 6d6 damage(Reflex DC 15 half ).
09:16 <Avatar> rod of wonder is a random effect you have no control over except to activate that does 1 of 100 effects
10:06 <Wrothmonk> Even worse!
10:23 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate wonder
10:24 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 22:  Learn target's surface thoughts as Detect Thoughts (no save)
12:04 <Wrothmonk> wait a second...
12:11 <Wrothmonk> oh wow
12:29 <Wrothmonk> suddenly a fantasy comic joke I read suddenly makes sense.
12:35 <MekkisScreen> unfortunately, the Spellscar revelations are all illegal
12:40 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate wonder
12:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 92:  Shimmering colors dance and play over a 40-ft.-by-30-ft. area in front of rod. Creatures therein are blinded for 1d6 rounds (Fortitude DC 15 negates).
13:55 <Wrothmonk> Pray tell, is the rod of wonder activated by saying a obscure command that is effectively pronounced as "Not the face" very quickly?
14:52 <MekkisScreen> no
14:53 <Ballig> did the mac version of CA work for you Wrothmonk
15:11 <MekkisScreen> it's activated by yelling "May Desna Smile upon you!"
15:21 <MekkisScreen> or "Desna grant you mercy!"
15:34 <Wrothmonk> I haven't gotten a chance to try it out with actually connecting but it seems to work fine.
16:07 <Ballig> cool
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16:10 <Ballig> if it opens it'll work
16:23 <Wrothmonk> Thats good.
16:43 <Ballig> just be aware that labels on dialogue boxes seem to get cut off on the mac version
17:07 <Avatar> lol macs
17:20 * Wrothmonk glares at Avatar
17:26 <Wrothmonk> You got a problem with macs?
17:36 <Avatar> macs suk
18:23 <Wrothmonk> Because?
18:45 <MekkisScreen> they're PCs
18:47 <Ballig> no one writes programs for them
18:47 <Ballig> :O
18:52 <Avatar> I am not willing to get into a mac vs pc debate
19:13 <MekkisScreen> the whole debate is stupid anyway. a mac IS a PC
19:20 <Wrothmonk> True.
19:25 <Wrothmonk> PC = personal computer.
19:44 <MekkisScreen> it's just an unreasonably expensive one
20:09 <Avatar> I got an email from a recruitment agency asking me to vote for them on seek as my favourite recruitment company
20:21 <Avatar> they didnt' get me ajob so I think I might vote against them now
20:26 <Ballig> ha
20:55 <Wrothmonk> Well I'm willing to pay the extra for a computer that works. Not everybody has the money but has the time to crack open a windows PC to fix it.
21:36 <MekkisScreen> crack open?
21:36 <Ballig> non-Mac PCs don't work? :p
22:50 <Avatar> what happens when a mac doesn't work
23:09 <Wrothmonk> Ballig: Any windows PC that isn't regulated on a school over-protective network even with antivirus gets a virus.
23:40 <Avatar> I don't think I've had a virus on my machines since about 2000
23:42 <Wrothmonk> Avatar: I restart my computer. I haven't encountered a problem where that wouldn't fix it.
23:43 <Ballig> there are non-windows PCs that aren't Mac
23:51 <Ballig> and Mac OS X is starting to get viruses now
23:59 <MekkisScreen> Wrothmonk: I don't restart my computer. It doesn't encounter problems
24:15 <Avatar> anyone heard of umm
24:19 <Avatar> Zion I think it's called
24:27 <Ballig> you previously had the benefit of "no one writes programs for Mac OS X, so no one writes viruses for it either"
24:31 <Ballig> the virus thing is catching up
24:41 <Avatar> sorry, Zorin
25:02 <Wrothmonk> I haven't tried others. Haven't seen the need. Plus macs and windows are both major so most companies that want money support both.
25:02 <Avatar> it's a linux distro that's made to be as close to windows as possible
25:08 <MekkisScreen> foo@linux-5nae:~> uptime 17:39  up 311 days 19:58,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
25:17 <Avatar> which I must say I am curious about
25:54 <Wrothmonk> Ballig: People actually write programs for macs.
26:02 <Wrothmonk> Its no wonder viruses are catching up.
26:19 <MekkisScreen> people write programs for symbian. at least two people!
26:30 <Wrothmonk> lol.
26:50 * MekkisScreen writes programs for SYmbian
27:38 * Wrothmonk 's dad used to write programs for symbian
28:09 <Wrothmonk> So yes, at least two people.
28:34 <Ballig> two more than mac os x program writers, am I right? ha ha!
28:44 <Wrothmonk> ...
28:48 <Ballig> :)
28:52 <Wrothmonk> Lets see here....
29:05 <Wrothmonk> Which weapon of mass destruction do I want to shove up your a**
29:21 * Wrothmonk browses through shelf of weapons.
29:25 <Ballig> you can swear here
30:27 <Wrothmonk> I prefer to be cautious. I once joined a irc channel that said you could swear. A new admin came on and banned me for swearing. I never got un-banned.
37:43 <Avatar> it's cool, you can swear
37:55 <Ballig> don't listen to him, he's tricking you
38:03 <Brunius> What, permabanned
38:08 <Avatar> if it becomes too much we will tell you, but that is unlikely unless you are steven
38:15 <Avatar> who just doesn't know when to quit !
38:23 <Wrothmonk> K.
38:35 <Ballig> it's a trap Wrothmonk!
38:47 <Brunius> Woo, installing linux to a USB drive!
39:03 <Wrothmonk> Been there done that.
39:29 <Ballig> is it a solid state USB
39:53 <Brunius> People have different definitions of solid state
39:56 <Brunius> It's a flash drive.
42:25 <Wrothmonk> I didn't know they made solid state flash drives anymore.
43:34 <Ballig> Brunius is 13, he probably only has a really old flash drive
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59:24 Avatar has kicked threesome from #d&d (bye)
59:43 <Wrothmonk> I was just about to say...
01:42 <Ballig> you should be more open minded Avatar!
03:08 <Wrothmonk> I'm pretty sure that was the guy from earlier wanting a threesome but suddenly changed his/her mind and wanted to play D&D.
04:32 <Ballig> can't he want both
04:40 <Wrothmonk> ...
04:46 <Wrothmonk> Have you ever been on the internet?
04:58 <Wrothmonk> D&D = No sex for life. Ever.
05:10 <Ballig> doesn't that mean it's more likely that he'd want it?
05:36 <Wrothmonk> True D&D players don't want sex.
05:51 <Wrothmonk> Its a concept completely foreign to most men.
06:15 <Ballig> is that the no true scotsman fallacy
06:18 <Wrothmonk> Except for those known as "nerds" and or "dorks"
11:19 <Wrothmonk> FYI I'm joking.
12:10 <Ballig> ha
12:41 <Wrothmonk> I really feel uncomfortable when I'm the last person to say something.
13:00 <Wrothmonk> When what I said was potentially offensive.
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02:22 <Brunius> night guys
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47:10 <Brunius> brb restarting router
47:18 <Wrothmonk> Good idea.
50:19 <Brunius> Well, I'm up to 100kb/s on that particular dl
53:05 <Wrothmonk> Well thats an improvement.
53:12 <Brunius> !idealscenario gm=22870 player=22871,22876
53:29 <Wrothmonk> Although you must have something else running…
53:34 <Wrothmonk> oh wait, its the irc probably.
53:50 <Brunius> Considering I'm supposed to get 16mb/s...
54:04 <Brunius> (Max I've had on this compy is 1mb/s)
54:36 <Brunius> IRC isn't sucking up 900kb/s
54:47 <Brunius> or if it is, there's something wrong
56:06 <Wrothmonk> hrmmmm
57:54 <Wrothmonk> any programs running besides the download and the irc?
58:06 <Brunius> xfire, firefox
58:10 <Brunius> openoffice
59:13 <Wrothmonk> You have a secure network?
59:22 <Brunius> I sure as hell hope so
59:43 <Wrothmonk> Since if its just that somebody may be using your internet. I'm just going through the possibilities.
59:45 <Brunius> The wireless filters based on MAC address so it's probably not the neighbours hijacking
00:08 <Wrothmonk> mmmm Possibly your provider is having trouble.
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56:03 <Mekkis> kde-amarok
59:29 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: because MAC spoofing only takes about 3 minutes...
59:44 <MekkisScreen> (or one command on linux)
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