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27:09 <Avatar> well that's a minor shame :D
27:15 <Mekkis> really?
27:23 <Ballig> if a forum post doesn't count, why would a comment on a blog count
27:29 <Ballig> they're effectively the same media
27:49 <Mekkis> I thought that prohibiting a change to ability scores is just vindictive
27:56 <Mekkis> Ballig, now you're trolling :S
28:16 <Avatar> this is something of a nice late birthday present from paizo
28:17 <Ballig> I believe that a comment on a blog counts just as much as a forum post
28:30 <Mekkis> Avatar, what would you do if gunslingers were banned, and you weren't allowed to change Buck's stats?
28:54 <Avatar> I didn't make my gunslinger with shit stats because I knew his stats would turn out to be not shit aynway
28:55 <Ballig> why would they ban gunslingers
29:04 <Avatar> unlike what synthesists did
29:08 <Mekkis> !findchar Buck
29:10 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Buck, number: 308title>( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308title> )
29:23 <Avatar> I dumped charisma
29:29 <Avatar> I think I can find another class that will be okay with that
29:36 <Mekkis> hmmm
29:40 <Mekkis> maybe
29:46 <Avatar> just maybe
29:52 <Mekkis> you could become a somewhat underpowered archer
30:08 <Mekkis> (with a bunch of useless feats)
30:29 <Avatar> it doesn't matter
30:32 <Avatar> gunslingers didn't get banned
30:34 <Avatar> synthesists did
30:42 <Avatar> synthesists got banned
30:50 <Mekkis> I'm just saying... prohibiting stat changes is just vindictive
30:58 <Avatar> + glorious
31:01 <Ballig> Mike Brock prohibited them, not us
31:14 <Mekkis> that being said. Help me rebuild nightmare please
31:33 <Avatar> link his sheet
31:40 <Mekkis> !findchar Nightmare
31:40 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Nightmare, number: 313( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=313 )
32:07 <Avatar> okay, what CAN'T you change
32:07 <Mekkis> I think pretty much everything except race can be redone
32:20 <Avatar> if you can change everything but race, what do you need help with
32:28 <Mekkis> I can't change name
32:34 <Avatar> something that will fit a gnome?
32:38 <Avatar> cmon
32:48 <Avatar> make Nightmare a nickname
33:03 <Avatar> Snickers isn't her real name
33:03 <Mekkis> was considering illusion-based sorcerer or wizard
33:12 <Mekkis> or perhaps witch
33:23 <Avatar> the only thing I would consider is what don't I like playing lower levels of
33:24 <Mekkis> oracle?
34:15 <Mekkis> oh, I don't think I can replace the wand
34:19 <Mekkis> which will be fun
34:26 <Mekkis>  Wand of Lesser Rejuvinate Eidolon :S
34:33 <Avatar> ah you might be able to
34:38 <Avatar> oh wait, of course not
34:40 <Avatar> summoner still exists
34:42 <Mekkis> I've used some charges
34:46 <Avatar> just turn him into a summoner
34:47 <Mekkis> that's OK though
34:51 <Mekkis> no
34:57 <Mekkis> I've already got a gnome summoner
36:58 <Ballig> make them twin brothers
37:44 <Mekkis> I should make Itzamna into a synthesist!
37:47 <Avatar> how many characters do you have
37:52 <Mekkis> 7
37:59 <Avatar> that you made two of them the same class and an archetype of that class
38:22 <Mekkis> they were quite different
38:35 <Mekkis> Nightmare was supposed to be able to talk his way out of everything
38:44 <Avatar> I guess so
38:49 <Mekkis> Itzamna was supposed to fire the rod of awesome at everything!
38:56 <Avatar> I'm trying to compare it to bard and archaeologist I guess
39:08 <Ballig> it's one of the few archetypes that completely change the character
39:27 <Ballig> which tells you to begin with that it was a bit much for an archetype
39:34 <Ballig> or is a bit much
39:41 <Avatar> what do you think of archaeologist
39:48 <Mekkis> haven't seen it
40:39 <Avatar> take a look
40:41 <Avatar> it's in UC I believe
40:57 <Avatar> bard archetype
41:25 <Mekkis> hmmm... don't like witch
41:37 <Ballig> sorcerer!
41:43 <Avatar> I can't say I've ever been dissatisfied with my witch
41:46 <Avatar> even when she became useless
42:09 <Mekkis> I don't particularly want to focus this character on debuffs
42:17 <Mekkis> because I know what it does to the DM :S
42:34 <Avatar> do you like using enervation
42:44 <Mekkis> I haven't used it in PFS
42:50 <Ballig> go sorcerer with lots of fireballs
42:56 <Mekkis> it was ok to use in QQ
42:56 <Mekkis> :S
42:57 <Ballig> prepare fireball in every available slot
43:10 <Mekkis> Ballig, I'd go fire oracle if I were to do that
43:15 <Ballig> try and get fire resistance from somewhere
43:23 <Mekkis> from Fire oracle?
43:29 <Ballig> go fire oracle then
43:42 <Ballig> make your character fireball every encounter, regardless of who it hits
44:24 <Mekkis> interesting Avatar 
44:32 <Mekkis> seems to be pretty transformational
46:09 <Ballig> it's not bad, it' sa more rogueish bard
46:14 <Mekkis> wow
46:20 <Mekkis> I might play a prankster
46:22 <Ballig> becomes closer to a rogue/sorcerer
46:41 <Mekkis> if I buy the advanced races guide
46:58 <Ballig> I don't like the idea of you playing anything that you start with "wow"
46:59 <Ballig> :p
47:21 <Mekkis> A prankster can steal an object from a creature and replace it with another object of the same size or smaller that the prankster has in his hand. This functions as the steal combat maneuver, but the prankster does not provoke an attack of opportunity, and may use his Sleight of Hand check in place of his combat maneuver check.
47:44 <Ballig> 'or smaller' is a bit odd
47:52 <Ballig> just carry a lot of pebbles, and steal swords
47:52 <Mekkis> replace a spell component pouch with a tiny viper :)
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50:51 <Mekkis> looks like I should buy the ARG
52:07 <Ballig> oh hey, you can make an aasimar, tengu and tiefling now
52:12 <Mekkis> yeah
52:14 <Ballig> well, soon
52:20 <Ballig> in a week and a bit
52:35 <Mekkis> I wonder if it's legal for me to do that to my uncreated character with a bunch of GM credit
52:51 <Ballig> would look weird auditing it, wouldn't it
52:57 <Mekkis> perhaps
53:13 <Mekkis> I'm sure that the value of asimaar boons has gone through the floor though :P
53:44 <Ballig> yeah
53:57 <Ballig> I imagine that was the idea to begin with though
54:09 <Ballig> the boon was like beta testing!
54:42 <Mekkis> I think they should stick with making rules they can enforce
57:49 <Ballig> what's your definition of a rule they can enforce
59:04 <Mekkis> one which is auditable
59:19 <Ballig> how isn't this rule auditable?
59:48 <Mekkis> mainly because I don't actually have the chronicle sheets
00:00 <Mekkis> when I decide to play the character, I'll print them out and sign them
00:16 <Ballig> what date will you put on them?
00:29 <Mekkis> I probably won't bother filling that bit in
00:48 <Ballig> then that's not a rule that is unauditable, it is a GM deliberately trying to avoid being audited
00:52 <Ballig> can't prevent that at all
01:03 <Mekkis> that's harsh
01:14 <Ballig> why else would you be avoiding the date
01:20 <Mekkis> because I'm lazy?
01:40 <Ballig> so it's just coincidence that avoiding the date also avoids having to comply with the timing about your character's face?
01:42 <Ballig> face/race
02:38 <Mekkis> I think I'll consult my local VC about this
02:45 <Mekkis> in a few months time
03:01 <Mekkis> if/when I actually get around to building the character
03:03 <Ballig> okay
03:19 <Mekkis> if I haven't already got an asimaar boon
03:58 <Mekkis> happy now?
04:10 <Ballig> I don't care what you do man
04:16 <Ballig> I was just curious about your comment on rules that can't be enforced
06:00 <Mekkis> like the low-level rebuilds rules
06:12 <Mekkis> (which I'm glad they put in now)
08:07 <Avatar> Mekkis: darkwhite did say PFS works on the honour system
08:20 <Avatar> I'm not sure why you are keen on abusing that
08:21 <Mekkis> I know
09:31 <Mekkis> but I get the impression that a lot of rules don't benefit the game
09:44 <Ballig> what's your definition of benefiting the game
10:00 <Mekkis> making it fun for players and DMs
10:11 <Ballig> but fun is subjective
10:19 <Mekkis> yes it is
10:25 <Ballig> it's fun for a lot of players to kill other players, is the "no pvp" rule a rule that doesn't benefit the game
22:39 <Mekkis> giant spider is vermin, correct?
24:59 <Ballig> yeah
34:33 <BoomerEt> Bep bop
34:41 <BoomerEt> Beep boop
36:16 <Avatar> fuck it's cold
37:46 <BoomerEt> Huh? It's going to reach 28 today.
38:21 <Avatar> you think that's funny?
38:23 <Avatar> that's not funny
38:58 <BoomerEt> :)
39:59 <BoomerEt> 7C in Brisbane
43:29 <Avatar> ducknuckem is better
43:49 <Brunius> groovy_gnu not unix ?
45:08 <groovy_gnu> No, I'm not a eunuch.
45:16 <Ballig> I am
45:18 <Ballig> I'm a eunuch
45:34 <groovy_gnu> You must be a great singer then.
46:11 <Ballig> I guard harems for a living
48:15 <Mekkis> I wish that wasn't true
57:59 <ducknuckem> lol
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01:28 <Darkfire> hello
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15:32 <Avatar> can someone tell me why paizo think new characters should have their abilities decided before (race and) class
18:54 <Avatar> 1st level character retraining is pretty wicked
20:03 <Avatar> I need to get myself a mini
20:09 <Avatar> or maybe some lego men
20:27 <Avatar> I want a lego witch like I had during ruby phoenix tournament, thanks brunius
23:16 <Mekkis> Avatar, because Paizo (and I) agree that you should identify your character as a character rather than as a race/class combination
29:50 <Alfwyn> for me that goes back and forth - my (imagined) character abilities defines race and class, which in turn refines the character
30:12 <Alfwyn> that is, there are several iterations of fluff influenting crunch and crunch influencing fluff
30:26 <Avatar> your race/class is your character
30:36 <Avatar> not how strong you are or how wise you are
30:56 <Avatar> the mechanics demand it
31:15 <Alfwyn> ah, but I chosse the machaincs because I want a certain character
31:23 <Avatar> I don't think you rolled your summoner and synthesist based on what stats you randomly decided on
32:11 <Avatar> what
33:30 <Avatar> man
33:40 <Avatar> I can't make my paladin sczarni based on the description in the guide
35:38 <Alfwyn> yeah, he would have to oppose most sczarni values
36:24 <Alfwyn> he sure could have sczarni roots however
37:58 <Brunius> You know what's fun? Throwing up 7 times within 2 hours
38:21 <BoomerEt> You probably don't have anything left to throw up except your nuts.
38:55 <Brunius> Oh, there was plenty of pressure on that area of the system, too.
39:19 <BoomerEt> Food poisoning?
39:19 <Avatar> I had a good concept for it but after reading that description I have no idea what it was
39:25 <Brunius> nfi
39:43 <Avatar> it's quite a specific description in the guide
39:44 <Brunius> If it's food poisoning, why is nobody else in my family throwing up?
40:15 <BoomerEt> They didn't have the fish.
40:18 <Avatar> oh yeah look it could be done
40:37 <Avatar> it is sort of worded in a way of 'most likely to do this/be this'
40:39 <Brunius> My brother had fish
40:42 <Brunius> I didn't
40:51 <Avatar> the important part is I need justification to do faction shit
40:52 <Brunius> How long does food poisoning take to set in anyway
41:29 <Alfwyn> that will be tough, since most faction golas wouldn't be in line with a paladin ethos
42:33 <Brunius> night guys
46:45 <BoomerEt> 3-4 hours
47:01 <BoomerEt> or as long as 6
47:18 <BoomerEt> as least in my unfortunate experience from eating at Arbys.
48:47 <Brunius> Oh, it's not that then
56:24 <Avatar> I'm glad they clarified that "under 5" fame is 0gp max
56:29 <Avatar> I was never quite sure when reading that table
58:47 <BoomerEt> Stomach virus
59:04 <BoomerEt> have you visited Tobago in the past 6 months?
59:38 <Brunius> No idea what Tobago is
59:48 <Brunius> Unless you mean Trinidad & Tobago
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00:12 <Avatar> what's going on iinet
00:26 <Brunius> Are you sure it's iinet
00:31 <Brunius> I'm not getting affected
00:36 <Avatar> oh
00:39 <Avatar> well wtf
00:59 <Avatar> might have to give them a ring tonight
01:00 <BoomerEt> I'm making crap up just to throw you off the scent.
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07:28 <Brunius> Sushi
07:31 <MincedSushi> >>
07:32 <MincedSushi> <<
07:42 <MincedSushi> Yes?
07:53 <MincedSushi> Am I to be put to death yet?
08:22 <Brunius> How do you mince sushi
09:20 <MincedSushi> Well first you get a knife
09:26 <MincedSushi> Maybe some tinfoil
09:43 <MincedSushi> And you proceed to mince the shit out of aformentioned sushi
09:52 <BoomerEt> Why did the Mars rover kill cats?
10:02 <BoomerEt> "Curiosity killed the cat"
10:04 <MincedSushi> Because you touch yourelf at night?
10:16 <Mekkis> Brunius, I thought you were internode
10:23 <BoomerEt> If God didn't want us to play with ourselves, he would have made our arms shorter.
10:26 <MincedSushi> Oh y this is awkward
10:27 <MincedSushi> That went right over my head
10:43 <Brunius> They've been bought out, Mekkis
10:55 <Mekkis> I know, Brunius 
11:03 <Mekkis> but they're still somewhat separate
11:18 <Brunius> I was under the impression they were merging networks
11:23 * MincedSushi dances in confusion
11:37 <Mekkis> is IINet offering IPv6 yet?
11:45 <Avatar> darkwhite said something about 7 player tables going out the window
11:52 <Avatar> but 4.2 still says the same thing about 7 player tables
17:34 <MincedSushi> Hey guys, do any of you guys find summoner as a whole to be a pretty cheese filled class?
18:11 <Brunius> You're asking this channel?
18:20 <MincedSushi> I just finished making a level one summoner and I'm noticing that my eidolon is pretty rediculous 
18:27 <Avatar> mekkis
18:29 <Mekkis> what?
18:30 <Avatar> here's an idea for what to do with nightmare
18:35 <Mekkis> the 7 int means it can't spell?
18:37 <Avatar> make a character who is good at diplomacy
19:01 <MincedSushi> heh I even spent EP to raise to 9 int
19:09 <MincedSushi> So rp can actually happen
19:23 <Mekkis> So it's not that ridiculous?
19:35 <MincedSushi> But it still is
19:50 <MincedSushi> I have to try to depower it
19:57 <Mekkis> did you remember that it only has 5 hp (+con mod)
20:04 <Mekkis> you don't get max HP at first level
20:05 <MincedSushi> It does almost as much dmaage as a level one barbarian
20:19 <Mekkis> what? 20 or so?
20:30 <MincedSushi> And then you have yourself which be a skirmisher proper
21:37 <MincedSushi> 2d6+7 not including power attack
21:50 <Mekkis> what base form?
21:55 <MincedSushi> biped
22:03 <MincedSushi> greatswordness
22:19 <Mekkis> that doesn't add up
22:32 <Mekkis> what are the evolutions?
23:50 <MincedSushi> Ability stength
24:00 <Mekkis> +2
24:01 <MincedSushi> brings it to 18 str
24:03 <Mekkis> yeah
24:08 <MincedSushi> which is +6
24:21 <MincedSushi> since it's twohanded
24:39 <Mekkis> tell me all the evolutions
24:47 <Mekkis> because +str, +int is 4 points
24:53 <Mekkis> you've only got one more point
25:02 <MincedSushi> gave it martial profincany as a feat
25:11 <Mekkis> so where's the power attack?
25:22 <MincedSushi> I said wasn't including powerattack
25:26 <MincedSushi> which it will get at 3
25:35 <Mekkis> that implied that it was an option
25:44 <Mekkis> so you've got a glass cannon
26:03 <Avatar> oh wow, languages is clarified in character creation
26:06 <MincedSushi> Not at all
26:11 <MincedSushi> what would make you think that?
26:31 <Avatar> and finally tells you that golarion languages exist
26:32 <MincedSushi> They have d10s
26:34 <Mekkis> 6hp, ~16AC is pretty fragile
26:56 <MincedSushi> it's 11hp
27:00 <Mekkis> why?
27:08 <MincedSushi> lvl one is maxed hd
27:14 <Mekkis> NO IT ISN'T!
27:21 <Mekkis> only if you have class levels
27:21 <MincedSushi> It is non pfs
27:28 <Mekkis> so?
27:31 <Mekkis> this isn't PFS only
27:34 <MincedSushi> This isn't for pfs
27:53 <MincedSushi> it's 11 hp for the game I'm in
27:57 <Avatar> mekkis: the paizo believes you should identify your character as a character argument doesn't hold water when you see the last step includes 'appearance' and 
27:59 <MincedSushi> Deal with it
28:01 <Avatar> 'history'
28:08 <Mekkis> then that's your DM's problem
28:11 <Mekkis> not the ruleset's
28:11 <MincedSushi> Even if it wasn't I'd roll it and on avergae get 7-8
28:57 <MincedSushi> By the way this is the first I've heard of only char classes getting max first
29:07 <MincedSushi> Where can I find that?
29:18 <MincedSushi> Not that I've ever looked mind you
29:43 <Mekkis> I don't remember whenre now, and I need to get to work
29:48 <Mekkis> I'll look for it later
30:01 <MincedSushi> Also 15 ac is fine for a level 1 THat puts the average hit chance at 40%
30:09 <MincedSushi> kay~
35:03 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
35:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think I'll need to: he has two diplomacy-related traits I probably can't get away with changing
37:05 <Mekkis> Avatar, didn't you read the section in the guide covering alignment infractions?
37:14 <Mekkis> "I was following orders" is a sufficient excuse
52:20 <BoomerEt> Did you all see the upcoming changes to PFS? Removed some character classes.
52:30 <BoomerEt> Synth is GONE
52:38 <Brunius> what
52:41 <Brunius> where are these changes
53:41 <BoomerEt> Update to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (changes take effect the 16th for GenCon)
53:52 <BoomerEt> PDF has been updated on Paizo site.
54:27 <BoomerEt> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz68gc?Guide-42-changelog
56:27 <Brunius> Huh
56:37 <Brunius> They added all the hardcover books to the core assumption
57:12 <Brunius> Aasimar, Tiefling and Tengu are now allowed by default
58:28 <BoomerEt> Yes
59:49 <MincedSushi> Nice
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24:12 <Steven> I am here to dance gleefully about synthesists being banned
24:24 * Steven dances gleefully
24:37 <BoomerEt> as a Player, or GM?
25:03 * Steven is too busy dancing gleefully to answer your question
27:53 <Steven> alright im back
28:00 <Steven> and i would say both
33:46 <BoomerEt> What character has dragon blood?
34:01 <BoomerEt> Mort was playing one I think on Saturday.
34:50 <Steven> OH SNAP!
34:53 <Steven> check it!
35:21 <Steven> 	 Michael Brock   (Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator)  Take Boat wrote: So do full-level rebuilds get to change their ability scores or are we going to have a bunch of ex-synthesists running around with hilariously dumped physical scores? No, people do not get to
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35:51 <Steven> brock layin smack down on people who dumped all their physical stats
36:25 <Steven> hey Ad
36:27 <Steven> what up?
36:29 <ad> Hey
36:32 <ad> what's up
36:45 <Steven> just celebrating synths getting the ban hammer
36:54 <ad> never done this before
37:02 <ad> I actually just started dnd
37:03 <Steven> AH an IRC virgin?
37:10 <ad> no not an irc virgin
37:16 <ad> I've done cod4 things on irc
37:30 <Steven> well, PFS IRC virgin?
37:35 <ad> Yes
37:37 <ad> what is PFS?
37:38 <ad> sorry
37:44 <Steven> Pathfinder Society
37:46 <ad> oh
37:54 <ad> pathfinder is similar to d&d, right?
37:54 <Steven> Its based off of the 3.5 DnD
37:58 <ad> oh very cool
38:05 <Steven> only with hundreds of improvements
38:07 <ad> so how do you play?
38:12 <ad> over irc?
38:15 <Steven> with gusto!
38:19 <Brunius> Usually over IRC
38:33 <Steven> yeah we have a program called CA
38:35 <Brunius> Ballig has made a mapping program we use in conjunction with IRC
38:38 <Steven> which is combat assistat
38:48 <Steven> and it allows us to have a game map for combats
39:07 <Steven> then we have IRC which is the medium we use to keep track of combat
39:09 <ad> how do people create chars and such?
39:28 <Steven> and then we have skype for the social interactions at faster speed then typing everything out
39:43 <BoomerEt> I like Hero Lab, others abhor it.
39:51 <Steven> I abhor it
40:20 <Steven> I personally feel it dulls peoples ability to make a character
40:36 <Steven> bwahahahahah
40:39 <Steven> anyways
41:08 <Steven> How did you find this channel?  ballig will be interested in that piece of info
42:00 <ad> oh
42:09 <ad> googling for a d&d character creator lol
42:30 <Brunius> Well
42:35 <Brunius> Wouldn't have picked THAT
43:12 <Steven> Well, let me inform you as to my own humble opinion, which is PFS is a better system than DnD
43:45 <Steven> We would be pleased to have you come play with us sometime if you can swing it.
44:25 <Hydrazine> Yeah, but watch out for Steven, he hax.
44:35 <ad> Great
44:52 <Steven> as to how we create characters, you build a character and then submit it to the website
44:59 <ad> ahh I see
45:00 <BoomerEt> I played a lot of 2e, and took a break from RPG's for 10+ yrs. Got back into it a few months ago, and have found PFS to be just what I was looking for.
45:31 <Hydrazine> I believe I shall keep my PFS comments to myself for now.
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45:46 <Hydrazine> But I will say I think Pathfinder as a whole is a good change from 3.5.
45:56 <Steven> awww he left
46:01 <Steven> hydra scared him off
46:08 <Hydrazine> Yeah.
46:11 <Hydrazine> rawr, bitches.
46:13 <Steven> I even was being nice
46:28 <Steven> it was a change from my smartass nature that demands i ridicule people
47:28 <BoomerEt> You be nice or I'll run over your toes with my walker, and I'll take the damn tennis balls off this time.
48:25 <Steven> I do not fear your walker
48:30 <Steven> I wear steel toed boots
49:00 <Brunius> clever
51:01 <Hydrazine> All old men are secretly rust monsters.
51:04 <Hydrazine> This is known.
52:19 <Steven> well its a good thing Ausk has Gauntlets of Rust
56:05 <Brunius> Update to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (changes take effect the 16th for GenCon)
56:08 <Brunius> grr
56:13 <Brunius> http://games.on.net/2012/08/valve-coaxes-linux-to-run-left-4-dead-2-better-than-windows-7-can/
56:20 <Brunius> Trust mickeysoft
57:51 <Hydrazine> Synthesists did let people do terribly mean things to a point buy.
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25:01 <Brunius> One million unique DayZ players.
25:04 <Brunius> Huh.
42:08 <Hydrazine> Man, I'm getting old.
42:18 <Hydrazine> I have to chase my spicy chicken dinner with antacids.
43:01 <Hydrazine> Getting old sucks, Brunius. Do yourself a favor and just stay 15.
43:15 <Brunius> I'll try
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55:46 <MincedSushi> >>
55:56 * MincedSushi wiggles
56:10 <Hydrazine> Right.
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59:14 <Hydrazine> Sup Sushi?
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06:30 <MincedSushi> Work
06:58 <MincedSushi> Trying to think up new char concepts for myself
07:17 <MincedSushi> Challenge myself to try something new
12:07 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
12:14 <Hydrazine> Come up with anything so far?
15:37 <MekkisScreen> a manovure master monk who uses a bow
17:25 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: I'd take another 5 years first
22:06 <MekkisScreen> So
22:27 <MincedSushi> Thinking about a sorc monk hybrid if possible
23:07 <MekkisScreen> I have a gnome with a statline of 5 12 14 14 8 20. what class should he be?
23:56 <Hydrazine> Sorc monk? Do they get much touch spells?
24:28 <MekkisScreen> take the sorc bloodline that lets you use wis
24:38 <MekkisScreen> instead of cha
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31:32 <spider21b> hi
33:36 <Hydrazine> oh no.
33:40 <Hydrazine> its that spider guy.
36:06 <spider21b> whats wrong with spiderman?
37:52 <Steven> alright back
38:14 <Steven> mike brock has allowed people to change their ability scores
38:21 <Hydrazine> Huh.
38:52 <spider21b> what now?
39:06 <Brunius> Synthesists got banned
39:15 <Hydrazine> And vivisectionists, and a few others.
39:53 <spider21b> i wish there were pfs game est time at least
40:13 <Hydrazine> Well, every time in any time zone has an est conversion.
40:19 <Hydrazine> Its just rather late for us east coasters.
40:28 <Steven> yeah he was 'talked' into letting a respec of ability scores
40:32 <spider21b> true
41:02 <spider21b> hey hydrazine if there are any games our time let me know
41:30 <Hydrazine> If I had a synth, I'd now use it to build my super glass cannon monk.
41:37 <Brunius> I notice Page 25-26 says PFS scenarios in particular
41:40 <Brunius> So it's ok in modules?
41:43 <Hydrazine> There are, man. Use the schedule!
42:21 <spider21b> there is a schedule?
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43:51 <Hydrazine> Slacker.
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44:01 <Hydrazine> Game time is usually around 11pm on fridays and saturdays for us.
44:05 <Hydrazine> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5
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45:53 <spider21b> which game?
46:53 <spider21b> can i use my level 3 cleric you think for Shades of Ice?
47:00 <Hydrazine> I said usually. Based on my previous experience.
47:11 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: So what I should do is play one scenario to bring Nightmare to 3 and module his way to retirement?
47:21 <MekkisScreen> spider21b: sounds fine!
47:31 <Brunius> What?
47:48 <Brunius> I was referring to spells - awaken, permanency and reincarnate in particular
47:54 <MekkisScreen> oh
48:09 <Steven> im so glad i wont ever have to deal with synthesists again
50:31 <Hydrazine> That bad?
51:52 <Steven> yes
52:06 <Steven> my sample size for players is significantly large then the group here.
52:28 <Steven> larger even
53:39 <Steven> ive seen several synthesists and they all break the game.
55:06 <Hydrazine> I've seen skies of blue, and clouds of white.
55:12 <MekkisScreen> Steven: I don't really mind: I was planning on retiring my synthesist anyway. I do think that prohibiting changes of stats is vindictive though
55:35 <spider21b> i miss reincarnate as a spell
56:10 <Steven> brock reversed his possition and has decided to let people redo their ability scores.
56:26 <spider21b> who is brock?
57:01 <Steven> I dont agree, if you built a character with 7/7/7/x/x/x  you deserve to have a character that is gimped now
57:08 <Brunius> Mike Brock, the PFS campaign coordinator
57:15 <spider21b> o i see
58:22 <Hydrazine> I agree that its vindictive, and the message you put out there is "If we at a later date think you were playing a character we don't like, you're going to suffer for it"
58:45 <spider21b> you could always muiltclass a character you dont like
58:52 <spider21b> have fun with the character
59:26 <Brunius> I don't think you're going to accidentally build a 7/7/7/x/x/x character
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00:32 <MekkisScreen> Steven: how is that fair on the people that person plays with?
00:36 <Hydrazine> People made 7/7/7 synths because they could. Now its getting banned, fair. But I agree with the decision to let them fix the point buy.
00:51 <spider21b> i kinda made a monk level one becuase i used a pregen so i am going to go crazy with him xd
00:54 <Steven> Life isnt fair.
01:12 <Hydrazine> Doesn't mean people shouldn't try to be.
01:22 <spider21b> true hydrazine has a poiknt
01:23 <spider21b> point
01:25 <MekkisScreen> no reason not to strive towards it
01:32 <Hydrazine> Then we can say synths aren't fair and whats your problem with them then?
01:59 <Steven> I don't like synths, i never said my point of view was fair or balanced.
02:13 <Hydrazine> You don't like synths why?
02:18 <Hydrazine> Because you think they aren't fair.
03:05 <Steven> I have seen them marginalize other characters in every game they have played in.
03:19 <Steven> Fair or unfair never mattered.  I just don't like them.
03:40 <Hydrazine> Marginalize them in what way?
03:49 <Hydrazine> By outperforming them in.. everything?
04:21 <Hydrazine> My point here is that the root of your issue with synthesists is that you don't think they are fair. And apparently Paizo agrees. Or bans them for some other reason.
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05:05 <Steven> Yes, the synthesists i have played with have the ability to be the face, massive damager, and caster. 
05:11 <Hydrazine> If I'm entirely wrong here, please feel free to correct me. But I think I got the thrust of it.
05:52 <Hydrazine> Do you think the term 'unfair' could fit as a reasonable summary of your previous statement?
07:35 <Steven> No, unfair to me is being unkind, inconsiderate, or unreasonable
08:48 <Steven> I dont like them because the people i play with built them to have no dead zone
09:30 <Steven> So it was disruptive to play, one scenario i was GMing they buffed the synthesist and sent it alone into a room
10:06 <Steven> it was a valid strategy because it worked quite well
11:29 <Steven> i dont view it as unfair, but just one person handling all the work... pretty boring for everyone else sitting at the table, including me
12:45 <Steven> talking about one person going into a room all alone
12:58 <Steven> So we had a player buy 10 ponys
13:10 <Steven> and lots of gunpowder
13:25 <Steven> and they strapped the gunpowder to the pony, made it go into rooms
13:30 <Steven> and then they blew it up
14:06 <Steven> walter was GMing, and after the second room, of doing this as they were walking through it the ceiling collapsed on them
14:11 <Steven> was great
17:06 <Hydrazine> It'd be funnier if something fireballed the pony as soon as it got a foot in the door.
17:21 <Steven> well they stopped after the roof fell down on them
17:54 <MekkisScreen> how is this different to buying scrolls of flame strike?
18:23 <Steven> its not really but it was just freaking halarious
19:49 <spider21b> back
20:17 <spider21b> thats funny
20:31 <spider21b> btw, how did he get so much gold anyway?
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20:56 <Steven> gunslinger
21:31 <MekkisScreen> A barrel of gunpowder only does 6d6
21:39 <MekkisScreen> and costs 150gp
21:52 <spider21b> i gotcha
22:10 <Steven> yeah, we figured if you strap 10 of those to a pony its going to do more then 6d6
23:13 <MekkisScreen> Sure 
23:41 <MekkisScreen> but it's still the same sort of thing as buying scrolls of fireball
24:57 <MekkisScreen> (there's the distance cube law with explosions, right?
25:13 <MekkisScreen> eight times the explosive causes two times the damage?
30:22 <MekkisScreen> still, it's just another method of importing firepower
30:54 * MekkisScreen brought a scroll of fireball and another of lightning bolt to Godsmouth Heresy
31:47 <spider21b> back
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38:19 <MekkisScreen> hmm
38:48 <MekkisScreen> "I was following orders" is now sufficient to avoid alignment infractions!
39:55 <Brunius> Isn't that what the Nazis said at Nuremburg?
39:56 <MekkisScreen> I want to horribly abuse that :P
48:09 <Hydrazine> Seems more like they just don't want to deal with reworking the faction mission system to account for alignment getting in the way.
52:44 <MekkisScreen> Umm.. Steven... can I get a source for the banning of synthesists?
54:09 <Hydrazine> 4.2 society guide.
54:17 <Steven> guide 4.2
54:19 <MekkisScreen> page?
54:39 <Hydrazine> I don't think its actually out yet, is it?
54:52 <Steven> i dont have it open
54:52 <MekkisScreen> it is
55:01 <MekkisScreen> and I can't find it
56:00 <MekkisScreen> ah
56:04 <MekkisScreen> the blog post
58:55 <Wrothmonk> I'm working on my character and I need some help with items. Can anyone help me quick?
59:27 <Hydrazine> Sure.
59:31 <Hydrazine> I like helping!
01:24 <Wrothmonk> ok on my character sheet for weapons, I have two boxes that I can't figure out what I'm supposed to put down; Enhance and Total attack modifiers. 
02:12 <Hydrazine> Well, total attack modifiers would be all the things that affect your attack roll.
02:28 <Hydrazine> At level 1, its most likely base attack bonus + str mod
02:50 <Hydrazine> I don't understand the enhance part. Could you show me the sheet?
03:56 <Wrothmonk> ok the weapon is a ranged, so I put down my ranged attack modifier in total attack modifiers?
04:37 <Hydrazine> Sorry for assuming melee then. Yes, add up all your modifiers and put the big finish down as the total.
04:50 <Hydrazine> Should be base+dex unless you've got something fancy going on.
04:57 <Hydrazine> Like a masterwork weapon, or weapon focus.
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09:09 <Wrothmonk> ok do you want the sheet I am currently editing or just a blank one?
09:13 <MekkisScreen> cool.. I do get a full rebuild
09:27 <MekkisScreen> looks like I can take Nightmare out of retirement
09:30 <Hydrazine> the work in progress, if possible.
09:36 <Hydrazine> why was he retired?
09:39 <Wrothmonk> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=488 should work.
09:55 <MekkisScreen> because I stopped having fun with him
11:09 <MekkisScreen> it was rather boring
11:15 <MekkisScreen> and I didn't like his stat line
12:12 <MekkisScreen> shoving a 20 into cha is a bad idea
14:06 <MekkisScreen> so... to cast Lesser Planar Ally or Lesser Planar Binding to recruit a nightmare... how much would it cost?
14:12 <Hydrazine> Oh!
14:21 <Hydrazine> Thats for magical weapons, which you don't have yet.
15:31 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok.
15:55 <Wrothmonk> Haven't look at the rules for those since I didn't think I would need to since i can't get any yet. Thats why I didn't know what that was for.
16:09 <Hydrazine> Anything else?
16:16 <Hydrazine> Archer type ranger, I see. Smart guy too.
16:40 <Wrothmonk> Not at the moment.
17:00 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I find archers the easiest in any RPG to start out with.
17:11 <MekkisScreen> is it bad that my companion has more HP than me?
17:20 <Wrothmonk> Depends.
17:28 <MekkisScreen> on...?
17:54 <Wrothmonk> Wether or not your class is meant to have much health.
18:06 <Hydrazine> Eh. I wouldn't say so.
18:08 <MekkisScreen> izard
18:10 <MekkisScreen> w
18:18 <Wrothmonk> I think that would be fine.
18:39 <Hydrazine> New to pathfinder then, Mr. Wrothmonk ?
18:48 <Wrothmonk> Yeah.
19:07 <Wrothmonk> I've played some types of D&D before though.
20:18 <Hydrazine> 3.5?
20:54 <Wrothmonk> ?
22:01 <Hydrazine> Oh, don't forget to take a look at favored class benefits, and +3 bonus to class skills you're trained in. I don't think the fancy sheet does that for you.
22:53 <Wrothmonk> It allows me to enter the bonuses. 
23:11 <Wrothmonk> ok trained in means I have at least one rank in it right?
24:43 <Hydrazine> class skills with a rank, yes.
32:00 <Wrothmonk> ok two more boxes I don't know what to put in. This time in armor; Type, and material.
32:17 <Steven> light medium heavy
32:36 <Steven> and hide, leather, wood, mithril, steel
32:42 <Steven> adamantine
32:43 <Steven> bone
32:46 <Steven> ice
32:47 <Steven> stone
33:43 <Wrothmonk> ok thought so. 
33:53 <MekkisScreen> Obsidion
34:18 <Wrothmonk> what about type?
34:52 <Hydrazine> light, medium, heavy?
34:58 <Hydrazine> What sort of armor you planning on getting?
35:05 <Wrothmonk> Just the leather armor.
35:13 <Hydrazine> leather armor's light.
35:36 <Wrothmonk> ok i thought that went under size. Or are they both the same?
35:43 <Hydrazine> the material part is there for specialty stuff, I'd say you could leave it blank.
36:01 <Hydrazine> no, size is what sort of character the armor fits.
36:08 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok.
36:14 <Wrothmonk> So medium for my elf.
36:19 <Hydrazine> for example, a human can't borrow a gnome's full plate.
36:27 <Wrothmonk> lol.
36:38 <Hydrazine> Because he'd look like a joke.
36:42 <Wrothmonk> yup.
37:01 <Wrothmonk> Now what about an orc in a gnomes full plate….
37:06 <Wrothmonk> That would be hilarius.
38:00 <Hydrazine> Both the gnome and the human could have full plate or leather, which is heavy and light armor respectively.
38:09 <Hydrazine> See, type and size are not the same.
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38:23 <Wrothmonk> Makes sense.
38:49 <Hydrazine> I used to have a fighter in some full plate. Tough guy, yo.
39:07 <Wrothmonk> I'm guessing you only need to put down the material when the armor has a name or something.
39:42 <Hydrazine> Well, you're allowed to get armor made of special stuff, to do different things.
40:07 <Hydrazine> Like adamantine armor if you're rich enough to be a super tough guy.
40:30 <Hydrazine> Or mithril for lighter armor.
40:59 <Hydrazine> Or even dragonhide for druids who don't wear metal.
41:35 <Wrothmonk> Ya know I never understood why druids could wear leather.
42:03 <Wrothmonk> I mean, they are like the ultimate oh whats the term...
43:01 <Wrothmonk> ah, ultimate Conservationist.
43:17 <Hydrazine> ...its recycling?
43:25 <Wrothmonk> lol!
48:05 <Wrothmonk> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=488 Ok I think I am done. Can somebody look over it and tell me if I am missing anything?
48:24 <Wrothmonk> oh wait...
48:40 <Wrothmonk> need to put equipment down.
48:43 <Wrothmonk> And I forgot arrows.
51:04 <Wrothmonk> I don't think I can shoot a bow withought arrows.
53:34 <Wrothmonk> ok now I believe i am done.
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54:47 <Wrothmonk> wait no....
55:19 <Wrothmonk> This is why I always say "I think I am done" I always find the stuff I'm missing immidietly.
59:30 <Wrothmonk> Is there any common faction for this channel? Or can I just pick any.
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07:39 <Brunius> Faction is an RP choice
07:54 <MekkisScreen> yes. Andoran!
08:13 <Wrothmonk> Awsome. I liked the idea of being an Andoran.
09:02 <MekkisScreen> We won Season one, and after that they were too embarresed to keep tracking it!
09:23 <Wrothmonk> Season one?
09:47 <Wrothmonk> tracking what.
10:34 <Wrothmonk> Sorry I'm missing the context there.
12:44 <MincedSushi> Andoran is best faction
13:56 <Hydrazine> Yo.
14:51 <MekkisScreen> in seadon one of Pathfinder society ( 2009-2010) they tracked prestige
14:59 <MekkisScreen> Andoran won decisively
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16:08 <Avatar-> :o)
17:11 <Wrothmonk> Ah. So Andoran is just the faction of the rp world right now?
19:22 <MekkisScreen> they're all factions of the world
19:32 <MekkisScreen> just Andoran is the best :)
19:42 <Wrothmonk> ok I'm missing one thing; traits. I don't know where to put them though.
20:18 <Hydrazine> I'd say stick em in the class/race features section.
20:39 <Wrothmonk> ok yeah I was just about to ask if that would owrk.
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27:08 <Wrothmonk> ok I believe I am completely done. Anybody mind looking over my sheet to make sure its complete?
27:28 <Hydrazine> Should I get my rules lawyer gavel out?
27:45 <Wrothmonk> lol.
27:54 <BoomerET> Hydra, you're the APG guru. If I have a cleric, w/ +3 chr, and extra channel, isn't that 8x/day?
29:01 <Hydrazine> Pssh. I'm the everything guru.
29:09 <Hydrazine> Yes.
29:11 <Hydrazine> 8 times a day.
30:27 <MincedSushi> Except croc combat >>
31:06 <Hydrazine> Wroth: Put in your initiative. Its just reactionary and dex mod. You should have either 1 more HP or one more skill point, your choice, from favored class. Unless you opt to take one of the more obscure bonuses.
31:10 <BoomerET> See, I don't have to depend on Hero Lab, it's telling me I only have 7.
31:24 <Hydrazine> Hey, you should've seen Hokubi with a croc.
31:39 <Hydrazine> Turned it into a croc-pretzel. Went Steve Irwin on that sucker.
31:51 <Hydrazine> Also, take out that climb speed.
32:18 <Hydrazine> Theres a big difference in rules between how fast a PC can climb or swim, and actually having a listed climb or swim speed.
32:47 <Wrothmonk> ok done.
32:55 <Wrothmonk> Anything else?
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33:09 <spider21b> hi
33:22 <Hydrazine> Um. You looking for opinions or just a rules check?
33:32 <Hydrazine> Rules wise I think you're clear.
33:46 <Hydrazine> Oh snap.
33:49 <Hydrazine> Oh, theres something.
33:54 <Hydrazine> you added dex twice for your armor.
34:07 <Hydrazine> Or something.
34:18 <Hydrazine> But theres no way you managed a 23 AC in leather armor.
34:58 <Wrothmonk> found the problem.
35:11 <Wrothmonk> For some reason I entered 10 as the AC bonus for leather armor.
35:17 <spider21b> hey guys i have a question
35:24 <Hydrazine> Hit me!
35:35 <spider21b> for a druid if you want another animal companion what do you do? 
35:35 <Hydrazine> I'm on an question killing spree or some shit like that.
35:42 <Hydrazine> Dismiss the old one.
35:44 * MekkisScreen passes Hydra a nine of spades
35:45 <Hydrazine> Next! That was easy.
35:59 * MekkisScreen passes Hydra a jack of hearts
35:59 <spider21b> and just get another one?
36:13 <spider21b> no waiting peroid?
36:13 <Wrothmonk> ok 15 AC sound right for leather armor? 
36:18 <MekkisScreen> you bust yet?
36:24 <Hydrazine> f a druid releases her companion from service, she may gain a new one by performing a ceremony requiring 24 uninterrupted hours of prayer in the environment where the new companion typically lives. This ceremony can also replace an animal companion that has perished.
36:36 <Hydrazine> 10+2+3 dex. Yep.
37:22 * Hydrazine unleashes flurry of answers!
37:24 <Wrothmonk> Cool. Ok rules done, whats your opinion on my character?
38:11 * Wrothmonk counters with newb character sheet!
38:32 <Hydrazine> I don't see the point of a composite bow without a strength modifier. For only the slight range difference, I just don't think its worth the money.
39:10 <Wrothmonk> mmm good point. I can't add on later withought buying a completely new one.
40:29 <Hydrazine> I don't think you've added a favored class benefit yet either.
40:50 <Hydrazine> I'd suggest taking the HP. 9 skills is pretty good, and you never know when 1 hp might save your life.
41:35 <spider21b> when is the game dude?
41:48 <Hydrazine> You also didn't add in your alertness feat in your skills totals.
42:25 <Hydrazine> on the schedule! Friday I think.
43:31 <Wrothmonk> Done and done.
44:26 <Hydrazine> Whats your favored enemy?
45:17 <Wrothmonk> Animal, it was on the chart so I picked that thinking it would be the most common enemy.
45:52 <Hydrazine> Well, animals definately show up.
46:02 <Hydrazine> My monk wrestled a croc once.
46:04 <Hydrazine> And won.
46:08 <Wrothmonk> Awsome.
46:10 <Hydrazine> My fighter, he didn't.
46:16 <Wrothmonk> lol.
46:17 <Hydrazine> To be fair, it was a significantly bigger croc.
46:28 <Wrothmonk> heh.
46:36 <BoomerET> First Steps, Part 3?
47:07 <Hydrazine> I wouldn't dare tell some new guy which scenario I was fighting crocs in!
47:37 <Hydrazine> Yeah, he wrestles real good, the monk. He just doesn't do much else.
48:14 <MekkisScreen> someone hogtied a hog
48:24 <Hydrazine> Was that me?
48:36 <MekkisScreen> I think so
48:40 <Hydrazine> Probably.
48:59 <Wrothmonk> One last question, the 10th and 11th games there are six slots, and 6 people accepted the invitation. I'm guessing I can't join in?
49:04 <Hydrazine> Later on I intend to hogtie everything!
49:28 <Hydrazine> I'd say comment that you're the 7th acceptee, and hope.
49:44 <Hydrazine> Chances are fair someone won't show up. It happens.
49:54 <Wrothmonk> How do I comment?
50:17 <Hydrazine> Uh, theres a leave comment box right next to accept/decline.
50:40 <Hydrazine> And I only see 5 for each.
51:08 <Wrothmonk> oh.. I miscounted.
51:24 <Wrothmonk> Also I don't see any accept/decline button.
51:40 <Wrothmonk> or any button for that matter.
51:48 <Brunius> I think the game on the 10th is off
51:51 <Hydrazine> Possibly because you just signed up.
51:57 <Brunius> You'd have to ask Mort-
52:13 <Wrothmonk> ah ok.
52:55 <Wrothmonk> mort?
52:58 <BoomerET> Do you have a character already on the pfrpg.com.au site?
53:08 <Wrothmonk> Just finished it.
53:29 <BoomerET> Mort is a regular on this channel? And I think she's GM'ing soon (MapTools, not Combat Assistant)
53:54 <Hydrazine> I've heard nothing about the game being cancelled.
54:10 <Wrothmonk> C***. Map tools won't open for me only my mac. It keeps putting up an error.
54:12 <MincedSushi> Neither did I
54:19 <Hydrazine> Yeah Boomer, hero lab can't count.
54:30 <MincedSushi> Update java
54:31 <Hydrazine> 3 base+ 3 cha +2 extra channel does not equal 7.
55:34 <Wrothmonk> I've got the latest java unless java doesn't update with the software updater.
55:47 <Wrothmonk> the default software updater*
59:31 <BoomerET> Wait, channel is chr or wis?
01:12 <BoomerET> I have +3 in Wis, not Chr. I have +2 in Chr, so Hero Labs is right. 
01:12 <Wrothmonk> wait ok looked at the error more closely and I know the problem.  
01:30 <Hydrazine> oooooh.
01:34 <Wrothmonk> However I don't know how to fix it.
01:40 <Hydrazine> You even said 3 cha when you told me.
01:44 <BoomerET> Yup
01:52 <Wrothmonk> It tells me what to change, but not where to change it.
02:08 <BoomerET> Ok, my faith in Hero Labs is cemented even more. 
02:13 <Hydrazine> I'm told the latest java updates DO cause problems with maptools.
02:28 <Hydrazine> What about your faith in Hydrazine?
02:38 <Wrothmonk> Nah thats not the problem. My security is the problem.
02:39 <BoomerET> That's never failed me :)
02:50 <BoomerET> MapTools doesn't play nice w/ 1.7
02:58 <BoomerET> It kinda works
03:17 <Wrothmonk> Its wanting to create an item in my user directory, I have to enter my password to change anything directly in my user directory.
04:17 <Wrothmonk> "Try manually specifying the data directory by setting the environment variable "MAPTOOL_DATADIR".
04:30 <Wrothmonk> I don't know how to change that variable.
04:39 <MekkisScreen> Open terminal
05:05 <Wrothmonk> K
05:06 <BoomerET> export MAPTOOL_DATA="/foo/bar/data/dir"
05:20 <MekkisScreen> export MAPTOOL_DATADIR=/path/to/directory
05:25 <BoomerET> That's Linux, but I think BSD would be similar.
05:42 <Brunius> foo bar?
05:43 <MekkisScreen> java -jar maptools.jar
05:47 <Brunius> seems legit
06:11 <BoomerET> :)
07:18 <BoomerET> So Hydra, I have ~1200GP, what should I buy? 2nd level Cleric.
07:25 <spider21b> hey um i make my characters on mythweavers
07:37 <Hydrazine> I make my characters on a .txt file!
07:49 * Hydrazine considers.
07:54 <MekkisScreen> hdparm --trim-sector-ranges 1000:200 /dev/sda
07:56 <Hydrazine> Whats the cleric's style? Whats he do?
08:09 <MekkisScreen> fyi: consider NOT typing the above command
08:33 <spider21b> wait you cant make a level 2 in pfs you start out level one 
08:45 <BoomerET> He sits in the back firing crossbow bolts until somebody needs to be healed.
09:00 <BoomerET> He just made 2nd level Saturday.
09:02 <MekkisScreen> pearly of power I
09:12 <MekkisScreen> pearl of power I
09:18 <BoomerET> Handy Haversack?
09:23 <Brunius> That's 2k
09:38 <BoomerET> Yea, I thought it was a bit much. maybe I'll save my money for one.
09:52 <spider21b> o gotcha
09:54 * BoomerET looks up pearl of power
09:57 <Brunius> Besides, what fame would you need for it?
10:04 <Wrothmonk> nope the command didn't work.
10:07 <MekkisScreen> why bother with a haversack
10:14 <spider21b> sigh going to bed see u guys later
10:17 <Wrothmonk> Still came up with the same error.
10:17 <MekkisScreen> buy a horse
10:31 <BoomerET> Horse meat tastes yucky.
13:07 <Wrothmonk> "Cant create the data directory "/Users/(Censored name for user)/.maptool". Try manually specifying the data directory by setting the environment variable "MAPTOOL_DATADIR". Search our forums for that name if you need help." Full error.
13:12 <spider21b> xd na  buy a donkey its cool
14:58 <Wrothmonk> ah f*** it. I'll do it the easy way.
15:14 <Wrothmonk> may be insecure but who gives a s***.
15:47 <Brunius> Mekkis does
16:14 <MincedSushi> (^_^)
16:18 <Wrothmonk> actually...
16:27 <MincedSushi> Ignore the man behind the phone
16:42 <Wrothmonk> hey I can change the security back once the file is created.
17:02 * Wrothmonk feels like a computer genius
18:32 <Wrothmonk> Anyway i need to head to bed. 1 am here :p
19:45 Wrothmonk is now known as Wrothmonk|Sleepin
19:45 <MincedSushi> Goodnight man
19:58 <Wrothmonk|Sleepin> Thanks for all the help with my char.
20:08 <Hydrazine> No problem.
20:12 <Hydrazine> I like helping.
20:23 <MincedSushi> Hydra is a helpist
20:32 <Hydrazine> Well.
20:32 <MincedSushi> Best helpist around
20:45 <Wrothmonk|Sleepin> I'll hopefully be in friday's and saturday's game. Cya folks.
20:46 <Hydrazine> Theres no use in me having so much of the material memorized if I don't help people with it.
20:57 <Hydrazine> With great power comes great responsibility and all that.
21:06 <MincedSushi> I know what you mean
21:13 <Wrothmonk|Sleepin> "With great power, comes great need to take a nap."
21:17 <Wrothmonk|Sleepin> Percy jackson FTW
21:18 <MincedSushi> Except for the responsibility part
21:20 <Hydrazine> Speaking of, I should get the last bit of the periodic table down again.
21:40 <MincedSushi> So nappy~
21:49 <Brunius> You nappers
21:51 <MincedSushi> I wanna nap but I lqck the ability to do so
22:39 <MincedSushi> No warm grassy knoll. No mid summer forest. No moonlit beach :¢
22:45 <spider21b> xd
22:49 <Hydrazine> Heh.
23:00 <Hydrazine> I took a nap in this really classy park with Tashes once.
23:00 <spider21b> btw for the game friday can i link my mythweavers sheet?
23:05 <Hydrazine> Then this peacock wandered by.
23:38 <Hydrazine> So peacocks are famous for being all pretty to look at and stuff. Ever heard one? They honk. And they honk.
23:47 <MincedSushi> If the park had peacocks I'd say it was double classy!
23:52 <Hydrazine> So this dude came right up to our napping spot and just starts honking away.
23:54 <Hydrazine> Dick.
24:01 <MincedSushi> That they do!
24:11 <MincedSushi> XD
24:14 <Hydrazine> It had peacocks AND a waterfall.
24:17 <Hydrazine> And I swam in it.
24:20 <MincedSushi> Pleasw tell me you ate him
24:24 <Hydrazine> The waterfall, not the peacock.
24:28 <MincedSushi> Lol
24:42 <Hydrazine> You see PM, Sushi?
24:45 <MincedSushi> Damn you ruin my hopes and dreams Hydra <\3
24:51 <MincedSushi> No?
25:00 <MincedSushi> My phone is bad about pms
25:07 <Hydrazine> Ah.
25:28 <Hydrazine> I was wanting to share the results of my 'how glass cannon can I make a monk' experiment.
25:46 <MincedSushi> How did it go?
25:52 <Hydrazine> Pretty glassy.
26:02 <MincedSushi> Because I want to make a sorc/monk
26:19 <MincedSushi> But it sounds like a shotty combo stat wise
26:43 <Hydrazine> If we cloned him, he could flurry 3 of himself dead in one round.
26:56 <MincedSushi> Lol
27:04 <MincedSushi> 7 con?
27:08 <MincedSushi> Or 5?
27:10 <Hydrazine> Nah, 10.
27:15 <MincedSushi> XD
27:25 <BoomerET> Nitey nite, sleepy time for BoomBoom
27:27 <MincedSushi> That much damage is scarey~
27:39 <MincedSushi> Boomboom baiz~
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28:17 <Hydrazine> Yeah.
28:20 <Hydrazine> No defense though.
28:33 <Hydrazine> And its pretty reliant on getting stunning fists to stick.
29:22 <MincedSushi> That's to be expected I guess
29:31 <MincedSushi> What was the stat spread?
29:52 <Hydrazine> You know, I had the whole set past Lawrencium back before they gave them all real names.
30:14 <Hydrazine> ununtrium and all that.
30:39 <Hydrazine> I made him at 11, to compare with the monk and fighter I had level 11 models of laying around.
30:55 <Hydrazine> 28, 14, 10, 7, 16, 7.
31:50 <MincedSushi> Oh my
32:29 <MincedSushi>  That'll do it
32:57 <Hydrazine> The real trick is that he power attacks like a 2hander.
33:09 <MincedSushi> Dragon
33:15 <MincedSushi> Goodstuff
33:27 <Hydrazine> So 2d6+24
33:37 <Hydrazine> And 1 more for every shot that lands.
33:39 <MincedSushi> XD
34:02 <MincedSushi> That's fricken epic damagrs
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34:12 <MincedSushi> Shoot brb
34:52 <MincedSushi> I got to go. Be on in 12hours
35:01 <MincedSushi> Baibai
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20:24 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: your monk doesn't have a bunch of different amulet of mighty fists perchance?
21:12 * MekkisScreen realised what happens when you add an amulet of mighty fists to a quadropedel eidolon
36:51 <MekkisScreen> need a third level spell for Itzamna
36:56 <MekkisScreen> suggestions?
39:34 <MekkisScreen> heh
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40:00 <MekkisScreen> maybe I should cast Marionette Possession and play a synthesist
40:14 <MekkisScreen> to piss off all those people saying that synthesists are banned :)
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07:47 <MincedSushi> Yes?
07:58 <MincedSushi> Am I to be put to death yet?
08:27 <Brunius> How do you mince sushi
09:25 <MincedSushi> Well first you get a knife
09:31 <MincedSushi> Maybe some tinfoil
09:48 <MincedSushi> And you proceed to mince the shit out of aformentioned sushi
09:57 <BoomerEt> Why did the Mars rover kill cats?
10:07 <BoomerEt> "Curiosity killed the cat"
10:09 <MincedSushi> Because you touch yourelf at night?
10:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, I thought you were internode
10:28 <BoomerEt> If God didn't want us to play with ourselves, he would have made our arms shorter.
10:31 <MincedSushi> Oh y this is awkward
10:31 <MincedSushi> That went right over my head
10:47 <Brunius> They've been bought out, Mekkis
11:00 <Mekkis> I know, Brunius 
11:08 <Mekkis> but they're still somewhat separate
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11:23 <Brunius> I was under the impression they were merging networks
11:28 * MincedSushi dances in confusion
11:42 <Mekkis> is IINet offering IPv6 yet?
11:46 <Avatar-> :o)
11:54 <kapow> oi avatar you asked brun about prestige the other night 1 or 2 did you get an answer?
12:07 <Avatar-> no
12:20 <Avatar-> I'm sure it's meant to be 2
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16:37 <MekkisScreen> Avatar-: give me some suggestions for Nightmare
16:51 <Avatar-> don't make him a synthesist
16:58 <MekkisScreen> that's a given
17:09 <MekkisScreen> I get a state-sponsored rebuild
17:10 <Avatar-> that's all
17:21 <Avatar-> how does that work
17:30 <MekkisScreen> synthesists are banned
17:35 <MekkisScreen> from the 16th
17:39 <MincedSushi> Hey guys, do any of you guys find summoner as a whole to be a pretty cheese filled class?
17:47 <Avatar-> pardon???
17:49 <MekkisScreen> so I can drag Nightmare out of retirement
17:51 <Avatar-> source?
18:00 <MekkisScreen> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldqy&page=6?Guide-42-and-Changes-to-Pathfinder-Society#discuss
18:09 <Avatar-> holy Jesus
18:16 <Brunius> You're asking this channel?
18:25 <MincedSushi> I just finished making a level one summoner and I'm noticing that my eidolon is pretty rediculous 
18:34 <Mekkis> what?
18:40 <Mekkis> the 7 int means it can't spell?
19:05 <MincedSushi> heh I even spent EP to raise to 9 int
19:14 <MincedSushi> So rp can actually happen
19:29 <Mekkis> So it's not that ridiculous?
19:40 <MincedSushi> But it still is
19:43 <MekkisScreen> I'm considering cleric
19:53 <MekkisScreen> something that can call nightmares
19:55 <MincedSushi> I have to try to depower it
20:02 <Mekkis> did you remember that it only has 5 hp (+con mod)
20:09 <Mekkis> you don't get max HP at first level
20:10 <MincedSushi> It does almost as much dmaage as a level one barbarian
20:24 <Mekkis> what? 20 or so?
20:35 <MincedSushi> And then you have yourself which be a skirmisher proper
21:42 <MincedSushi> 2d6+7 not including power attack
21:56 <Mekkis> what base form?
22:00 <MincedSushi> biped
22:08 <MincedSushi> greatswordness
22:24 <Mekkis> that doesn't add up
22:34 <MekkisScreen>   actually it'll need to be planar binding
22:38 <Mekkis> what are the evolutions?
23:55 <MincedSushi> Ability stength
24:05 <MincedSushi> brings it to 18 str
24:06 <Mekkis> +2
24:09 <Mekkis> yeah
24:13 <MincedSushi> which is +6
24:26 <MincedSushi> since it's twohanded
24:44 <Mekkis> tell me all the evolutions
24:52 <Mekkis> because +str, +int is 4 points
24:58 <Mekkis> you've only got one more point
25:05 <Avatar-> this is unbelievable news
25:07 <MincedSushi> gave it martial profincany as a feat
25:17 <Mekkis> so where's the power attack?
25:27 <MincedSushi> I said wasn't including powerattack
25:31 <MincedSushi> which it will get at 3
25:40 <Mekkis> that implied that it was an option
25:49 <Mekkis> so you've got a glass cannon
26:07 <Avatar-> when I get home I am going to do a happy dance
26:11 <MincedSushi> Not at all
26:16 <MincedSushi> what would make you think that?
26:36 <MincedSushi> They have d10s
26:39 <Mekkis> 6hp, ~16AC is pretty fragile
26:56 <MekkisScreen> in other news, Asimaar, tieflings and tengu no longer require racial boons
27:01 <MincedSushi> it's 11hp
27:05 <Mekkis> why?
27:05 <MekkisScreen> brb driving home
27:13 <MincedSushi> lvl one is maxed hd
27:19 <Mekkis> NO IT ISN'T!
27:26 <MincedSushi> It is non pfs
27:26 <Mekkis> only if you have class levels
27:33 <Mekkis> so?
27:37 <Mekkis> this isn't PFS only
27:39 <MincedSushi> This isn't for pfs
27:58 <MincedSushi> it's 11 hp for the game I'm in
28:04 <MincedSushi> Deal with it
28:13 <Mekkis> then that's your DM's problem
28:16 <Mekkis> not the ruleset's
28:16 <MincedSushi> Even if it wasn't I'd roll it and on avergae get 7-8
29:01 <MincedSushi> By the way this is the first I've heard of only char classes getting max first
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29:12 <MincedSushi> Where can I find that?
29:23 <MincedSushi> Not that I've ever looked mind you
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29:48 <Mekkis> I don't remember whenre now, and I need to get to work
29:53 <Mekkis> I'll look for it later
30:06 <MincedSushi> Also 15 ac is fine for a level 1 THat puts the average hit chance at 40%
30:14 <MincedSushi> kay~
30:33 <kapow> lol
30:43 <kapow> see all the flame on gunslingers XP
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52:25 <BoomerEt> Did you all see the upcoming changes to PFS? Removed some character classes.
52:34 <BoomerEt> Synth is GONE
52:42 <Brunius> what
52:46 <Brunius> where are these changes
53:46 <BoomerEt> Update to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (changes take effect the 16th for GenCon)
53:57 <BoomerEt> PDF has been updated on Paizo site.
54:32 <BoomerEt> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz68gc?Guide-42-changelog
56:31 <Brunius> Huh
56:42 <Brunius> They added all the hardcover books to the core assumption
57:17 <Brunius> Aasimar, Tiefling and Tengu are now allowed by default
58:33 <BoomerEt> Yes
58:41 <MekkisScreen> hehe
59:54 <MincedSushi> Nice
00:45 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: is derau still around?
02:35 <MekkisScreen> anyone up for PFS starting in an hour?
03:16 <MekkisScreen> or half an hour
08:14 <Avatar> there I just did a happy dance
08:25 <Avatar> accompanied by a song that went 'synthesists they got banned la la la"
11:48 <Avatar> whati s going on, did I miss the celebration
12:32 <Ballig> did you read the last part of that article
12:43 <Ballig> gunslingers aren't legal anymore
13:48 <Avatar> no that is a lie
13:50 <Avatar> good 1
14:15 <Ballig> did you read it all
14:21 <Ballig> it's after the dot points about rebuilds
14:23 <MekkisScreen> First the came for the vivisectionists, but I did not speak out, for I was not a vivisectionist.
14:35 <Ballig> this isn't nazi germany :p
14:57 <MekkisScreen> Then they came for the synthesists, but I did not speak out, for I had retired my synthesist
15:00 <Avatar> what was wrong with vivisectionists
15:01 <MekkisScreen> ...
15:10 <Avatar> except for people wanting to dual wield two handed weapons
15:47 <MekkisScreen> vivisection is one of the things that is generally considered horribly evil
15:49 <Ballig> that wasn't vicisectionist
15:55 <Ballig> vivisectionist
16:06 <MekkisScreen> and a little too close to home
16:06 <Ballig> vivisectionist got sneak attack
16:11 <MekkisScreen> (google it)
17:03 <MekkisScreen> .iirc, the most notable vivisectionist was Mengle or something
17:13 <MekkisScreen> liked cutting up twin babies
17:27 <Ballig> trying to make the master race
19:10 <Avatar> ROFL synthesists don't get to change their ability scores!
19:24 <Avatar> oh this is glorious
19:32 <MekkisScreen> They do actually
19:38 <MekkisScreen> there was a reversal
20:28 <Ballig> does it count if it's a forum post
20:43 <kapow> where i didn't read anything about ability scores
21:08 <Avatar> where is the reversal
21:24 <Mekkis> Ballig, it was actually a forum post in which someone pointed Brock to the rulebook :)
21:31 <Mekkis> page 3 I think
22:11 <Avatar> page 3 is the first effective page of the guide
22:19 <Avatar> oh wait, 4.2 is actually out isn't it
22:22 <Avatar> I am looking at the old one
22:31 <Mekkis> I meant page three of the thread
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23:10 <Ballig> so it doesn't count?
24:17 <Steven> I am here to dance gleefully about synthesists being banned
24:29 * Steven dances gleefully
24:42 <BoomerEt> as a Player, or GM?
24:56 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldqy&page=3?Guide-42-and-Changes-to-Pathfinder-Society#144
25:08 * Steven is too busy dancing gleefully to answer your question
25:12 <Mekkis> also: p28 of the Guide
25:21 <Ballig> does a comment on on a blog count more than a forum post?
25:44 <Mekkis> actually, that's changed in the Guide too
25:45 <Mekkis> :S
26:00 <Mekkis> which is going to bring back the chaos of 2010
26:02 <Mekkis> yay!
26:54 <Ballig> I don't think a comment on a blog counts
26:59 <Avatar> yeah you're right
27:04 <Avatar> well that's a minor shame :D
27:09 <Mekkis> really?
27:18 <Ballig> if a forum post doesn't count, why would a comment on a blog count
27:24 <Ballig> they're effectively the same media
27:43 <Mekkis> I thought that prohibiting a change to ability scores is just vindictive
27:51 <Mekkis> Ballig, now you're trolling :S
27:57 <Steven> alright im back
28:05 <Steven> and i would say both
28:11 <Avatar> this is something of a nice late birthday present from paizo
28:12 <Ballig> I believe that a comment on a blog counts just as much as a forum post
28:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, what would you do if gunslingers were banned, and you weren't allowed to change Buck's stats?
28:49 <Avatar> I didn't make my gunslinger with shit stats because I knew his stats would turn out to be not shit aynway
28:50 <Ballig> why would they ban gunslingers
28:59 <Avatar> unlike what synthesists did
29:03 <Mekkis> !findchar Buck
29:05 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Buck, number: 308title>( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308title> )
29:18 <Avatar> I dumped charisma
29:24 <Avatar> I think I can find another class that will be okay with that
29:31 <Mekkis> hmmm
29:34 <Mekkis> maybe
29:41 <Avatar> just maybe
29:47 <Mekkis> you could become a somewhat underpowered archer
30:03 <Mekkis> (with a bunch of useless feats)
30:24 <Avatar> it doesn't matter
30:27 <Avatar> gunslingers didn't get banned
30:29 <Avatar> synthesists did
30:37 <Avatar> synthesists got banned
30:45 <Mekkis> I'm just saying... prohibiting stat changes is just vindictive
30:53 <Avatar> + glorious
30:56 <Ballig> Mike Brock prohibited them, not us
31:09 <Mekkis> that being said. Help me rebuild nightmare please
31:28 <Avatar> link his sheet
31:34 <Mekkis> !findchar Nightmare
31:35 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Nightmare, number: 313( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=313 )
32:02 <Mekkis> I think pretty much everything except race can be redone
32:02 <Avatar> okay, what CAN'T you change
32:15 <Avatar> if you can change everything but race, what do you need help with
32:23 <Mekkis> I can't change name
32:29 <Avatar> something that will fit a gnome?
32:33 <Avatar> cmon
32:43 <Avatar> make Nightmare a nickname
32:58 <Avatar> Snickers isn't her real name
32:58 <Mekkis> was considering illusion-based sorcerer or wizard
33:07 <Mekkis> or perhaps witch
33:18 <Avatar> the only thing I would consider is what don't I like playing lower levels of
33:18 <Mekkis> oracle?
33:51 <BoomerEt> What character has dragon blood?
34:06 <BoomerEt> Mort was playing one I think on Saturday.
34:10 <Mekkis> oh, I don't think I can replace the wand
34:14 <Mekkis> which will be fun
34:21 <Mekkis>  Wand of Lesser Rejuvinate Eidolon :S
34:28 <Avatar> ah you might be able to
34:33 <Avatar> oh wait, of course not
34:35 <Avatar> summoner still exists
34:36 <Mekkis> I've used some charges
34:41 <Avatar> just turn him into a summoner
34:42 <Mekkis> that's OK though
34:46 <Mekkis> no
34:52 <Mekkis> I've already got a gnome summoner
34:55 <Steven> OH SNAP!
34:58 <Steven> check it!
35:26 <Steven> 	 Michael Brock   (Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator)  Take Boat wrote: So do full-level rebuilds get to change their ability scores or are we going to have a bunch of ex-synthesists running around with hilariously dumped physical scores? No, people do not get to
35:56 <Steven> brock layin smack down on people who dumped all their physical stats
36:30 <Steven> hey Ad
36:32 <Steven> what up?
36:34 <ad> Hey
36:36 <ad> what's up
36:50 <Steven> just celebrating synths getting the ban hammer
36:53 <Ballig> make them twin brothers
36:59 <ad> never done this before
37:07 <ad> I actually just started dnd
37:08 <Steven> AH an IRC virgin?
37:15 <ad> no not an irc virgin
37:21 <ad> I've done cod4 things on irc
37:35 <Steven> well, PFS IRC virgin?
37:39 <Mekkis> I should make Itzamna into a synthesist!
37:40 <ad> Yes
37:42 <ad> what is PFS?
37:42 <Avatar> how many characters do you have
37:43 <ad> sorry
37:47 <Mekkis> 7
37:49 <Steven> Pathfinder Society
37:51 <ad> oh
37:54 <Avatar> that you made two of them the same class and an archetype of that class
37:59 <ad> pathfinder is similar to d&d, right?
37:59 <Steven> Its based off of the 3.5 DnD
38:03 <ad> oh very cool
38:10 <Steven> only with hundreds of improvements
38:12 <ad> so how do you play?
38:17 <ad> over irc?
38:17 <Mekkis> they were quite different
38:20 <Steven> with gusto!
38:24 <Brunius> Usually over IRC
38:30 <Mekkis> Nightmare was supposed to be able to talk his way out of everything
38:38 <Steven> yeah we have a program called CA
38:39 <Avatar> I guess so
38:40 <Brunius> Ballig has made a mapping program we use in conjunction with IRC
38:43 <Steven> which is combat assistat
38:44 <Mekkis> Itzamna was supposed to fire the rod of awesome at everything!
38:51 <Avatar> I'm trying to compare it to bard and archaeologist I guess
38:53 <Steven> and it allows us to have a game map for combats
39:03 <Ballig> it's one of the few archetypes that completely change the character
39:12 <Steven> then we have IRC which is the medium we use to keep track of combat
39:14 <ad> how do people create chars and such?
39:22 <Ballig> which tells you to begin with that it was a bit much for an archetype
39:29 <Ballig> or is a bit much
39:33 <Steven> and then we have skype for the social interactions at faster speed then typing everything out
39:36 <Avatar> what do you think of archaeologist
39:43 <Mekkis> haven't seen it
39:48 <BoomerEt> I like Hero Lab, others abhor it.
39:56 <Steven> I abhor it
40:25 <Steven> I personally feel it dulls peoples ability to make a character
40:34 <Avatar> take a look
40:36 <Avatar> it's in UC I believe
40:41 <Steven> bwahahahahah
40:44 <Steven> anyways
40:52 <Avatar> bard archetype
41:13 <Steven> How did you find this channel?  ballig will be interested in that piece of info
41:20 <Mekkis> hmmm... don't like witch
41:32 <Ballig> sorcerer!
41:38 <Avatar> I can't say I've ever been dissatisfied with my witch
41:41 <Avatar> even when she became useless
42:04 <Mekkis> I don't particularly want to focus this character on debuffs
42:05 <ad> oh
42:12 <Mekkis> because I know what it does to the DM :S
42:14 <ad> googling for a d&d character creator lol
42:29 <Avatar> do you like using enervation
42:35 <Brunius> Well
42:39 <Brunius> Wouldn't have picked THAT
42:39 <Mekkis> I haven't used it in PFS
42:45 <Ballig> go sorcerer with lots of fireballs
42:50 <Mekkis> it was ok to use in QQ
42:51 <Mekkis> :S
42:52 <Ballig> prepare fireball in every available slot
43:04 <Mekkis> Ballig, I'd go fire oracle if I were to do that
43:10 <Ballig> try and get fire resistance from somewhere
43:17 <Steven> Well, let me inform you as to my own humble opinion, which is PFS is a better system than DnD
43:17 <Mekkis> from Fire oracle?
43:24 <Ballig> go fire oracle then
43:37 <Ballig> make your character fireball every encounter, regardless of who it hits
43:50 <Steven> We would be pleased to have you come play with us sometime if you can swing it.
44:19 <Mekkis> interesting Avatar 
44:26 <Mekkis> seems to be pretty transformational
44:30 <Hydrazine> Yeah, but watch out for Steven, he hax.
44:40 <ad> Great
44:57 <Steven> as to how we create characters, you build a character and then submit it to the website
45:04 <ad> ahh I see
45:05 <BoomerEt> I played a lot of 2e, and took a break from RPG's for 10+ yrs. Got back into it a few months ago, and have found PFS to be just what I was looking for.
45:36 <Hydrazine> I believe I shall keep my PFS comments to myself for now.
45:50 <Hydrazine> But I will say I think Pathfinder as a whole is a good change from 3.5.
46:00 <Steven> awww he left
46:04 <Ballig> it's not bad, it' sa more rogueish bard
46:06 <Steven> hydra scared him off
46:09 <Mekkis> wow
46:13 <Hydrazine> Yeah.
46:15 <Mekkis> I might play a prankster
46:16 <Hydrazine> rawr, bitches.
46:17 <Ballig> becomes closer to a rogue/sorcerer
46:18 <Steven> I even was being nice
46:33 <Steven> it was a change from my smartass nature that demands i ridicule people
46:36 <Mekkis> if I buy the advanced races guide
46:53 <Ballig> I don't like the idea of you playing anything that you start with "wow"
46:54 <Ballig> :p
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47:16 <Mekkis> A prankster can steal an object from a creature and replace it with another object of the same size or smaller that the prankster has in his hand. This functions as the steal combat maneuver, but the prankster does not provoke an attack of opportunity, and may use his Sleight of Hand check in place of his combat maneuver check.
47:33 <BoomerEt> You be nice or I'll run over your toes with my walker, and I'll take the damn tennis balls off this time.
47:39 <Ballig> 'or smaller' is a bit odd
47:47 <Ballig> just carry a lot of pebbles, and steal swords
47:47 <Mekkis> replace a spell component pouch with a tiny viper :)
48:30 <Steven> I do not fear your walker
48:34 <Steven> I wear steel toed boots
49:05 <Brunius> clever
50:46 <Mekkis> looks like I should buy the ARG
51:06 <Hydrazine> All old men are secretly rust monsters.
51:09 <Hydrazine> This is known.
52:02 <Ballig> oh hey, you can make an aasimar, tengu and tiefling now
52:06 <Mekkis> yeah
52:09 <Ballig> well, soon
52:15 <Ballig> in a week and a bit
52:24 <Steven> well its a good thing Ausk has Gauntlets of Rust
52:30 <Mekkis> I wonder if it's legal for me to do that to my uncreated character with a bunch of GM credit
52:46 <Ballig> would look weird auditing it, wouldn't it
52:51 <Mekkis> perhaps
53:08 <Mekkis> I'm sure that the value of asimaar boons has gone through the floor though :P
53:39 <Ballig> yeah
53:52 <Ballig> I imagine that was the idea to begin with though
54:04 <Ballig> the boon was like beta testing!
54:37 <Mekkis> I think they should stick with making rules they can enforce
56:10 <Brunius> Update to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (changes take effect the 16th for GenCon)
56:13 <Brunius> grr
56:18 <Brunius> http://games.on.net/2012/08/valve-coaxes-linux-to-run-left-4-dead-2-better-than-windows-7-can/
56:25 <Brunius> Trust mickeysoft
57:44 <Ballig> what's your definition of a rule they can enforce
57:56 <Hydrazine> Synthesists did let people do terribly mean things to a point buy.
58:59 <Mekkis> one which is auditable
59:14 <Ballig> how isn't this rule auditable?
59:42 <Mekkis> mainly because I don't actually have the chronicle sheets
59:55 <Mekkis> when I decide to play the character, I'll print them out and sign them
00:11 <Ballig> what date will you put on them?
00:23 <Mekkis> I probably won't bother filling that bit in
00:44 <Ballig> then that's not a rule that is unauditable, it is a GM deliberately trying to avoid being audited
00:47 <Ballig> can't prevent that at all
00:57 <Mekkis> that's harsh
01:09 <Ballig> why else would you be avoiding the date
01:14 <Mekkis> because I'm lazy?
01:35 <Ballig> so it's just coincidence that avoiding the date also avoids having to comply with the timing about your character's face?
01:37 <Ballig> face/race
02:33 <Mekkis> I think I'll consult my local VC about this
02:39 <Mekkis> in a few months time
02:55 <Mekkis> if/when I actually get around to building the character
02:58 <Ballig> okay
03:14 <Mekkis> if I haven't already got an asimaar boon
03:53 <Mekkis> happy now?
04:05 <Ballig> I don't care what you do man
04:11 <Ballig> I was just curious about your comment on rules that can't be enforced
05:42 <Steven> yeah and in 10 days they will be banned
05:55 <Mekkis> like the low-level rebuilds rules
06:07 <Steven> and people arent allowed to redo their ability scores
06:07 <Mekkis> (which I'm glad they put in now)
06:33 <Brunius> Butthurt in 3...2...1...
06:42 <Steven> so if they min maxed like synths do, they are pretty much wrecked for everything
07:04 <MekkisScreen> I think that that's vindictive
07:21 <Hydrazine> I agree.
07:58 <Hydrazine> Perhaps the reason there is..
08:02 <Avatar> Mekkis: darkwhite did say PFS works on the honour system
08:11 <Hydrazine> Lets say you had a level 11 synth, or synth hybrid.
08:15 <Avatar> I'm not sure why you are keen on abusing that
08:16 <Mekkis> I know
08:17 <MekkisScreen> expect a surge in the number of Heavens Oracles
08:26 <Steven> as it should be.  if you set out to diliberatly break the game, once they fix the exploit
08:43 <Hydrazine> If you could do a full rebuild, including the point buy, and items, and feats...
09:04 <Steven> why should people be allowed to get off scott free?
09:11 <Hydrazine> You could end up min/maxed in some entirely new way, potentially one that wouldn't really work at lower levels.
09:17 <Steven> you keep the exp, prestige, items, boons and gold
09:26 <Mekkis> but I get the impression that a lot of rules don't benefit the game
09:39 <Ballig> what's your definition of benefiting the game
09:55 <Mekkis> making it fun for players and DMs
10:03 <Hydrazine> You can't say it was breaking the game when it was legal. Your idea of how the game is supposed to be played isn't everyone's.
10:06 <Ballig> but fun is subjective
10:13 <Mekkis> yes it is
10:20 <Ballig> it's fun for a lot of players to kill other players, is the "no pvp" rule a rule that doesn't benefit the game
10:22 <Steven> obviously mike brock agrees that they were breaking the game
10:25 <Steven> lol
10:32 <Hydrazine> Theres always going to be people in any game you play who want to try as hard as they can to be the best at it.
10:49 <MekkisScreen> so there's going to be a surge in the number of Heavens oracles
10:57 <Steven> probably
11:12 <MekkisScreen> that being the only real option for someone with that statline
12:37 <MekkisScreen> (hell, chances are this will make me play Nightmare again!)
12:53 <MekkisScreen> (no guarantee that he won't be a heavens oracle)
13:34 <Steven> ive dealt with heavens oracles, they are kinda annoying
13:47 <Steven> but they dont break shit like the synthesists
15:31 <Steven> I mean, colorspraying a group of creatures that are level 10 or so is pretty dumb
15:44 <BoomerEt> Wrapping it up to head home, have a great evening.
15:49 <Steven> see ya boomer
22:34 <Mekkis> giant spider is vermin, correct?
24:54 <Ballig> yeah
42:38 ducknuckem is now known as groovy_gnu
43:24 <Avatar> ducknuckem is better
43:44 <Brunius> groovy_gnu not unix ?
45:03 <groovy_gnu> No, I'm not a eunuch.
45:11 <Ballig> I am
45:13 <Ballig> I'm a eunuch
45:29 <groovy_gnu> You must be a great singer then.
46:06 <Ballig> I guard harems for a living
48:09 <Mekkis> I wish that wasn't true
50:16 groovy_gnu is now known as ducknuckem
57:54 <ducknuckem> lol
15:27 <Avatar> can someone tell me why paizo think new characters should have their abilities decided before (race and) class
18:49 <Avatar> 1st level character retraining is pretty wicked
19:58 <Avatar> I need to get myself a mini
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20:04 <Avatar> or maybe some lego men
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20:22 <Avatar> I want a lego witch like I had during ruby phoenix tournament, thanks brunius
23:10 <Mekkis> Avatar, because Paizo (and I) agree that you should identify your character as a character rather than as a race/class combination
29:45 <Alfwyn> for me that goes back and forth - my (imagined) character abilities defines race and class, which in turn refines the character
30:07 <Alfwyn> that is, there are several iterations of fluff influenting crunch and crunch influencing fluff
30:21 <Avatar> your race/class is your character
30:31 <Avatar> not how strong you are or how wise you are
30:51 <Avatar> the mechanics demand it
31:10 <Alfwyn> ah, but I chosse the machaincs because I want a certain character
31:18 <Avatar> I don't think you rolled your summoner and synthesist based on what stats you randomly decided on
32:06 <Avatar> what
33:25 <Avatar> man
33:35 <Avatar> I can't make my paladin sczarni based on the description in the guide
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35:33 <Alfwyn> yeah, he would have to oppose most sczarni values
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36:19 <Alfwyn> he sure could have sczarni roots however
39:14 <Avatar> I had a good concept for it but after reading that description I have no idea what it was
39:38 <Avatar> it's quite a specific description in the guide
40:13 <Avatar> oh yeah look it could be done
40:32 <Avatar> it is sort of worded in a way of 'most likely to do this/be this'
40:46 <Avatar> the important part is I need justification to do faction shit
41:24 <Alfwyn> that will be tough, since most faction golas wouldn't be in line with a paladin ethos
42:28 <Brunius> night guys
56:19 <Avatar> I'm glad they clarified that "under 5" fame is 0gp max
56:24 <Avatar> I was never quite sure when reading that table
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11:40 <Avatar> darkwhite said something about 7 player tables going out the window
11:47 <Avatar> but 4.2 still says the same thing about 7 player tables
18:22 <Avatar> mekkis
18:25 <Avatar> here's an idea for what to do with nightmare
18:32 <Avatar> make a character who is good at diplomacy
25:58 <Avatar> oh wow, languages is clarified in character creation
26:26 <Avatar> and finally tells you that golarion languages exist
27:52 <Avatar> mekkis: the paizo believes you should identify your character as a character argument doesn't hold water when you see the last step includes 'appearance' and 
27:56 <Avatar> 'history'
34:58 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
35:46 <Mekkis> Avatar, I think I'll need to: he has two diplomacy-related traits I probably can't get away with changing
37:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, didn't you read the section in the guide covering alignment infractions?
37:09 <Mekkis> "I was following orders" is a sufficient excuse
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