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36:50 <whitenoise> heylo
41:27 <ducknuckem> Heya mate!
43:49 <whitenoise> duck--you an aussie?
43:59 <whitenoise> I'm trying to sort out the aussies from the Americans, so I can be discriminatory, of course.
47:03 <whitenoise> i'm just kidding, by the way.
47:06 <whitenoise> you just said "mate"
05:55 <Hydrazine> Bloody Aussies.
06:07 <Hydrazine> With their beets on hamburgers and their crazy animals.
13:50 <ducknuckem> yeh, I am an aussie.
31:12 <whitenoise> heh
31:20 <whitenoise> I pick up accents like nobody's business.
31:29 <whitenoise> I used to work at Boeing, and had to speak to a lot of international folks.
31:36 <whitenoise> And by the end of the phone call, I would say a word or two in their accent.
31:41 <whitenoise> It's cool and not cool at the same time.
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06:30 <whitenoise> hey thurr Wrothmonk 
06:43 <Wrothmonk> Hello.
07:44 <whitenoise> you get your build all worked out?
10:42 <Wrothmonk> Yeah all ready for when I get enough exp to add a class.
11:02 <Wrothmonk> Except I still haven't gotten any chronicle sheet from avatar :/
11:43 <whitenoise> me neither
11:51 <whitenoise> I'm making a Bard, I think you learned.
11:59 <whitenoise> But I have not yet decided on a melee or ranged Bard.
12:07 <whitenoise> One route, I'd go Arcane Archer, other I'd go Dragon Disciple
12:42 <Wrothmonk> I haven't looked into dragon disciple. Mainly because ranged is my kind of character.
12:53 <whitenoise> yeah, I'm thinking I'll do ranged.
13:10 <whitenoise> once you get a couple feats going, ranged becomes cool.
13:22 <Wrothmonk> Ik.
13:31 <whitenoise> also, I think for a melee
13:42 <whitenoise> if I want to do that, I'll just make a beefy guy with a two-handed weapon
13:44 <whitenoise> that just beats stuff
13:49 <Wrothmonk> Lol.
14:17 <whitenoise> although, I do plan on making a Monk or Ninja/Monk as well
14:21 <whitenoise> I think just Monk, though.
14:34 <Wrothmonk> Thats why I don't do melee characters, I see all melee characters as huge dudes that smack stuff.
14:36 <whitenoise> but they are apparently hard to build well, so I want to wait a little until I have more experience on what does what
15:59 <whitenoise> Monk/Shadowdancer I think would be really cool
16:12 <whitenoise> but really hard to build right
16:14 <Wrothmonk> Monks?
16:20 <Wrothmonk> Pathfinder has monks?
16:25 <whitenoise> yeah
16:51 <Wrothmonk> i think I just found my second character's class.
17:11 <whitenoise> yeah
17:15 <whitenoise> you should go look at Monk and Shadowdancer
17:18 <whitenoise> the idea I have is basically..
17:39 <whitenoise> a Monk's style of fighting, with Quick Draw feat (as just one feat) so I can go armed/unarmed free action
17:48 <whitenoise> and then add in Shadowdancer for Shadow Jump and Hide In Plain Sight
18:20 <Wrothmonk> huh I don't see it as so hard to build.
18:33 <Wrothmonk> Dex, Wis, and Str.
18:37 <whitenoise> Nah, I think I actually practically have it built.
18:49 <whitenoise> the things that gimp you is what you pick for feats and stuff I think
19:14 <Wrothmonk> hmmm yea.
19:30 <whitenoise> there's a guy that writes pretty good guides for stuff
19:33 <whitenoise> let me find his monk one
19:49 <whitenoise> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/treantmonk-s-guide-to-monks
20:05 <whitenoise> its for regular Pathfinder, so you kind of have to read and think with PFS mind/eyes.
20:08 <whitenoise> but good nonetheless.
22:03 <whitenoise> so I'm thinking 8 monk/4 shadowdancer
22:05 <whitenoise> would be fun
22:15 <whitenoise> Ninja and Monk have a lot of synergy as well.
22:33 <whitenoise> the only thing I don't like about Ninja is that while you could build one that would murder in combat, he wouldn't be useful for anything else
23:23 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I definitely found a class for a second character.
23:24 <Wrothmonk> I
23:25 <Wrothmonk> want
23:34 <Wrothmonk> nun-chucks. 
23:37 <whitenoise> lol
23:43 <Wrothmonk> lol.
23:49 <whitenoise> I really want to play a Sorcerer or a Wizard, as well
24:31 <whitenoise> I think a Sorcerer gone Dragon Disciple would be pretty cool, even though you might gimp yourself a little pure-sorc-wise
24:50 <whitenoise> but the end result would be neat. You'd be a pretty beefy melee dragon that could cast haste, black tentacles, etc
25:45 <whitenoise> so Bard -> Arcane Archer, Monk/Shadowdancer and Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple
25:49 <whitenoise> those are my builds I want to do
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06:39 <Hydrazine> I still think monks are the hardest base class to be effective with.
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37:32 <Rymen13> hello
37:51 <Rymen13> it was weird this morning it said i was banned for some reason
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51:50 <Panda> count me in!
52:00 <Panda> i wanna playtest i wanna playtest!
52:39 <Ballig> Panda: asl
52:59 <Panda> -.^?
53:10 <Panda> what does that have to do with playtest?
53:46 <Ballig> do you want to make out
53:56 <Ballig> oh it's kapow
53:59 <kapow> lol
54:02 <Ballig> neverdemind
54:07 <Ballig> anyway
54:09 <Ballig> do you want to make out?
54:31 <kapow> let me go get my flat mates fiance i'll put her on for 10 minutes
54:38 <kapow> promise she'll be in her underwear atleast
55:50 <Mekkis> too many RFC1918 addresses in google
56:29 <kapow> when is this DnDN playtest gonna happen?
56:42 <Ballig> right now ! roll initiative !
56:49 <kapow> !roll1d20+21
56:52 <kapow> !roll 1d20+21
57:01 <kapow> !throw 1d20+21
57:01 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+21: [1d20=3] 24
57:31 <Ballig> joke's on you - in the new rules, highest initiative goes last!
57:32 <Ballig> ha ha!
57:49 <kapow> roll your init then homo
58:28 <Ballig> !roll 1d20-21
58:28 <dicebot> Ballig, 1d20-21: [1d20=13] -8
58:31 <Ballig> sweet I go first
58:38 <kapow> no because your not alive
58:47 <kapow> your init is your age dumbass
58:49 <Ballig> that's right, I am playing the new player race - ghost
58:53 <kapow> so your not born for another 21 years
59:01 <Mekkis> roll inet!
59:08 <kapow> lol inet is fail!
59:16 <Mekkis> yeah
59:22 <Mekkis> inet6 is the way to go, right?
59:37 <kapow> inet full stop blahhhh
59:43 <kapow> anyway gonna play video games ^_^
59:54 <Mekkis> I have no idea what you're referring to
00:13 <Mekkis> but I think I should go and ignite some aluminium and iron
07:13 <Mekkis> hey
08:10 <Mekkis> you can download minis from TPB now
09:51 <Avatar> zzzz
10:17 <Ballig> zzz
10:23 <Avatar> stunning fist can go a long way
10:50 <Ballig> very few uses each day though
10:54 <Ballig> and you use it up even if you miss
13:15 <Avatar> how many uses
14:07 <Ballig> one per level
14:11 <Ballig> so a level 1 monk can use it once a day
14:48 <Avatar> ah but a level 10 monk can use it ten times a day
14:59 <Ballig> it would be better if it was front-loaded like toughness
15:07 <Avatar> yeah, agree there
15:52 <kapow> oooo game!
18:45 <kapow> books for playtest where?
21:50 <Hydrazine> I don't think the DC scales very well though.
22:19 <Ballig> it's not any different to spell DCs
22:57 <Hydrazine> Except most offensive spellcasters that really expect to deal with DCs focus heavily on that stat.
23:12 <Ballig> wisdom is a beneficial stat for monks to focus on too
23:17 <Ballig> and they can choose to if they want to
23:23 <Ballig> so again, no different to spell DCs
23:32 <Hydrazine> But at what expense?
23:45 <Ballig> spellcasters sacrifice things to focus on their spellcasting stat too man
23:49 <Ballig> you are just anti-spellcaster
25:11 <Avatar> why hate spellcasters :(
25:22 <Avatar> is this because mort always plays spellcasters
25:44 <Hydrazine> I don't hate casters, I just don't think its fair to compare monk stunning fist DC with spells.
26:01 <Ballig> it's clearly where they're aiming, though
26:13 <Ballig> spell DCs end up being 10 + 1/2 level + casting stat, or thereabouts
26:26 <Hydrazine> And Paizo admits that they aren't satisfied with the current status of the monk class in general.
26:49 <Ballig> I really don't think "make it harder not to be stunned by a monk" is the way to go about that
26:59 <Ballig> monks already have the ability to do some ridiculous shit if you focus on it
27:16 <Hydrazine> Is that less so with other classes?
27:29 <Hydrazine> Wizards and fighters can't do ridiculous shit?
27:53 <Ballig> I've seen your grapple monk in action, don't even try to play coy
28:18 <Hydrazine> Yeah, hes completely focused on a very specific niche. he does it very well and doesn't really do much else.
28:45 <Ballig> the niche is pretty devastating though
28:46 <Hydrazine> I could get better raw grapple checks with a lore warden, but less CMD.
28:50 <Ballig> it's basically the end of any single-creature encounter
28:59 <Hydrazine> Only on things it works on.
29:03 <Hydrazine> Whats the size limit for pin?
29:40 <Avatar> I do quite like it when a character is really strong in one area but really weak in others
29:42 <Ballig> there's no specific size limit on pin, I believe it's on grapple in general
29:45 <Hydrazine> I'm not saying Hoku isn't dominating at what he does. I completely agree. I made it that way.
29:55 <Avatar> and I don't mean all combat vs all skills
30:05 <Hydrazine> So what is the size limit then?
30:18 <Ballig> from memory, it's one size larger than you
30:23 <Avatar> forcing a team to have to work together to overcome encounters is the best part of pathfinder imho
30:25 <Ballig> so a medium creature can grapple a large creature but not huge
31:01 <Hydrazine> So you're saying, that I've made a monk that crushes single enemy fights, if they are on the ground, and if they are smaller than huge.
31:25 <Ballig> how many creatures in PFS have you fought so far, on all of your characters combimed, that are either not on the ground or are huge or larger?
31:31 <Ballig> combined
32:03 <Ballig> to say "there are some encounters where I'm not very effective!" is a bit asinine. every character has encounters where they aren't effective
32:10 <Ballig> but very few can say that in every other encounter they are devastating
33:10 <Hydrazine> 3, I think, but I also only played I think 2 games at level 5.
33:44 <Hydrazine> you think half the combat scenes are single enemy?
34:02 <Ballig> there are a LOT of single enemy encounters, especially final encounters
34:13 <Ballig> and a grapple monkey is able to be devastating even in non-single encounters
34:18 <Ballig> it's just not an immediate "encounter over" situation
35:45 <Hydrazine> Anyway, this is besides the point. I know what Hoku does, I made him. I know how little he does when grappling is just not a good idea, too. Where are we going with this?
35:56 <Ballig> I believe that monks need a general boost, but not something that boosts their ability to do super power shit. that stuff should probably be reduced
36:31 <Hydrazine> My arguement, is that I don't think monks have particularly more options to be exceptional, and take alot more effort just to be as good as the rest.
36:45 <Ballig> but it's not "just as good" though, that's my point
36:52 <Ballig> monks can be cheesed to the point of stupidity
36:57 <Ballig> probably above most other classes
37:00 <Ballig> except maybe summoner
37:03 <Ballig> and magus
37:12 <Hydrazine> gunslinger?
37:24 <Ballig> gunslingers don't really require any cheese
37:41 <Hydrazine> Witches are even more destuctive to single target fights.
37:49 <Hydrazine> Without some crazy ass cheese build to do it.
40:21 <Avatar> witches can be fucked up completely
40:22 <Ballig> that's not really supportive company for the class to keep
40:33 <Hydrazine> I think, as soon as you start shooting out other classes, your arguement kind of falls apart. Yes, you can do crazy shit with a monk if you really try, but you can do crazy shit with most classes if you really push it.
40:38 <Avatar> I was quite blown away by how badly
40:56 <Ballig> you shot out a couple of other classes that are also stupidly overpowered sometimes
41:02 <Ballig> that doesn't make my argument fall apart - it just highlights it
41:06 <Hydrazine> You were saying that Hoku dominates something like half the encounters. How many would you say Jerus could wreck?
41:23 <Ballig> like I said to Steven yesterday, if Hitler lived next to Genghis Kahn could he justify his behaviour by saying at least he's not as bad as his neighbour?
42:32 <Hydrazine> Only if that Kony guy was the neighbor on the other side.
43:04 <Hydrazine> I could make a better straight grappler as a lore warden.
43:31 <Mekkis> You have been invited to a game: D&amp;D: Next Playtest on Saturday, 18 August 11:00 AM
43:42 <Ballig> I still believe that if monk were to receive a general boost, their other abilities should be looked at and taken into account
44:03 <Ballig> otherwise you will just get a class that is powerful and effective all the time, and super powerful and devastating a lot of the time
44:13 <Hydrazine> Fair.
44:19 <Hydrazine> I think the BASE class needs some changes.
44:28 <Hydrazine> Yeah, tetori can grapple like nothing else.
44:34 <Ballig> I do too, it's too hard to make an effective monk without cheesing it
44:41 <Ballig> I just don't want to see effective monks that are also cheesed
44:41 <Hydrazine> And alot of people bring up Zen archer when I start talking about monks.
45:29 <kapow> yeah i accepted but where is the source for it?
45:44 <kapow> books with everything in it to use for play?
45:47 <Hydrazine> And the fact that you only really look at archetypes when you're talking about ways a class can be effective.
45:55 <kapow> or are we getting given like pregens to playtest with or something?
46:12 <Hydrazine> What do you think is the overall problem Ballig?
46:12 <Ballig> I'm yet to ues an archetype that actually changes the core abilities of a class
46:16 <Avatar> you can't look at synthesists for summoners to be effective
46:19 <Avatar> because synthesists are banned
46:26 <Ballig> ha
46:27 <Mekkis> sign up to wizards' playtest
46:32 <Ballig> summoners were effective already
46:35 <Avatar> da de da
46:36 <Mekkis> or google "D&D next rar"
46:38 <Ballig> still probably too effective
46:47 <Hydrazine> 2nd level haste yo.
46:48 <Mekkis> might need to put "torrent" in there too
46:50 <Ballig> they should just ban eidolons from PFS
47:21 <Hydrazine> you mean ban summoners.
47:27 <Avatar> eidolons would probably be better if they worked more like summon monster
47:49 <Avatar> I don't know how master summoner worked though
47:53 <Avatar> that might have been the idea
47:55 <Ballig> summoners can do stuff without eidolons
47:58 <Ballig> they get that summoner monster ability
48:04 <Hydrazine> pfft.
48:09 <Ballig> I don't know how effective it is
48:09 <Hydrazine> Its the core ability of the class!
48:10 <Avatar> yeah but one of the big appeals of the summoner is the evolution stuff
48:13 <Ballig> but isn't it a standard action summon monster
48:26 <Hydrazine> Its like saying clerics are just fine without divine spellcasting. they can still channel!
48:29 <Avatar> otherwise you're just a sorcerer specialising in conjuration
48:34 <Ballig> the big appeal is the eidolon with evolutions because it's just so powerful
48:42 <Ballig> a sorcerer can't do standard action summons
48:46 <Avatar> dunno
48:47 <Avatar> I gotta run
49:15 <Hydrazine> my point though is that divine spells are WHY you play a cleric. the Eidolon is WHY you play a summoner. Otherwise you'd play something else.
49:37 <Ballig> I'd actually like to see a summoner without an eidolon to see how it actually works out
50:34 <Ballig> 3+cha mod standard action, spell-like ability summon monsters per day
50:53 <Ballig> that is automatically upgraded every two levels
51:15 <Ballig> oh and the monsters remain for 1 minute/level instead of 1 round/level
51:18 <Ballig> that's a pretty significant ability
51:49 <tashphones> Rawr!
51:53 <Ballig> it's just "not as good as an eidolon" and you can't use both at the same time
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57:00 <Hydrazine> What other super cheesy thing have you seen done with monks?
57:01 <Avatar-> everyone on this tram looks like a zombie
57:22 <Ballig> they ARE zombies! get out of there, it's Dayz!
57:29 <Hydrazine> and my theoretical 'super' glass cannon monk doesn't count, he wouldn't survive making it to level 2.
57:48 <Ballig> he's not that much of a glass cannon
57:52 <Avatar-> if it's day a, I'm already dead
57:54 <Ballig> he's more like a wood cannon
57:55 <Avatar-> day z
57:58 <Ballig> maybe PVC cannon
58:04 <Avatar-> add z to dictionary
58:24 <Hydrazine> This isn't answering the question, and did I show you his defensive stuff? Hes pretty glassy.
58:55 <Ballig> monk can pretty much do any of the combat maneuvers in that way
59:55 <Hydrazine> in what way?
00:08 <Ballig> the super effective, really hard to resist kind of way
00:24 <Ballig> and "oh, there's only two or three super cheesy builds" doesn't mean that the class isn't broken in some way
00:29 <Ballig> anyway, gotta go to work
01:10 <Hydrazine> 20 AC at 11 just isn't going to cut it.
01:35 <Avatar> it's a playtest, they aren't for sale
02:12 <Avatar-> I find that unless you do put all your optimisation into AC, no amount of it really helps that high
02:25 <Avatar> tashes what is tashphones
02:40 <Avatar-> melee types certainly have to do it
02:59 <Hydrazine> glass monk is glass.
03:18 <Avatar-> or find another way to deal with it
03:39 <Hydrazine> So AC just doesn't matter later on?
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03:48 <Avatar-> I played with a monk who retired safely not long ago
03:51 <Hydrazine> Unless its all you got?
04:00 <Hydrazine> yeah? I didn't know you played a monk.
04:02 <Steven> sup sup
04:12 <Hydrazine> Were you using one of the 2-3 cheese builds Ballig says are around?
04:27 <Avatar-> his AC was respectable from what I recall, but I don't know what he did
04:37 <Avatar-> no idea
04:47 <Avatar-> wasn't my monk
04:58 <Avatar-> I don't like monks
05:07 <Avatar-> playing them
05:07 <Hydrazine> Oh, I thought you were saying you played as a monk. I was a little surprised.
05:07 <Avatar> wroth
05:13 <Hydrazine> Why not?
05:14 <Avatar-> :p
05:33 <Avatar-> I don't know how to do it properly
05:38 <Avatar-> it's quite niche
05:55 <Hydrazine> I thought you were a pretty knowledgeable fellow in the Pathfinder world.
05:59 <Avatar-> I like magic over ki
06:20 <Avatar-> yeah but I have my weaknesses
06:31 <Wrothmonk> Hello.
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06:35 <Hydrazine> I think the fact that a rather experience player can have trouble getting a monk to work right is a large part of the problem.
06:41 <Steven> we forgive you your weaknesses
06:51 <Hydrazine> Or rather, a symptom of the problem.
06:54 <Avatar-> thx Steven
07:14 <Avatar-> I would always go fighter instead
07:25 <Avatar-> or maybe paladin
07:26 <Steven> so whats the topic of convo today?
07:29 <kapow> hmmm thats new
07:32 <Hydrazine> Its alot more straightforward to make a fighter whose useful.
07:34 <kapow> they changed crits
07:38 <Avatar-> monks
07:44 <Avatar> really?
07:45 <Hydrazine> Hey Steven, do you think monks possess more capacity for cheese than other classes?
07:51 <Avatar-> I love feat play
07:52 <kapow> Natural 20: If your d20 roll is a 20 before
07:52 <kapow> adding modifiers, your attack is a critical hit. A
07:52 <kapow> critical hit deals the maximum possible damage for
07:52 <kapow> the attack.
08:05 <kapow> no confirmation
08:09 <kapow> no extra dice
08:14 <Avatar-> I actually don't have a fighter and it seems surprising
08:15 <kapow> just straight up you crit you do max damage
08:33 <Avatar-> 3.5 carry over, I think
08:48 <Avatar> that is a good change if you ask me
08:59 <Avatar-> I don't really know how to build a fighter either, but it'd be easier than a monk
09:06 <Steven> negative, they possess cheese level on par with gunslingers, magus, and summoners
09:10 <Steven> when they are built to cheese that is
09:17 <kapow> and it applies to all extra dice added to attack
09:18 <Wrothmonk> I think so as well.
09:22 <kapow> such as sneak attack etc
09:40 <kapow> no AOO's for using a ranged weapon in melee
09:42 <Avatar-> with a monk it's fine as long as you don't mind the overall weaknesses and play it for the cool factor
09:47 <kapow> but instead take a neg to your attack roll
09:51 <kapow> but it doesn't state what -
10:23 <Hydrazine> So..
10:30 <Hydrazine> There actually isn't a size limit for grappling.
10:42 <Hydrazine> Or any CMB.
10:45 <kapow> damage resistance is simplified
10:53 <Steven> no size limit for grappling
10:54 <kapow> to resistance to something halves all damage to it
10:57 <Avatar> you don't get AoO's when you're using a ranged weapon in melee anytime
11:04 <Mekkis> except while using Grab
11:08 <kapow> vulnerability to something doubles all damage from it
11:11 <Avatar-> I have trouble with saying standard gunslinger builds are cheesy after seeing how much damage fighters can pretty safely do
11:13 <Hydrazine> Thank you, Mekkis.
11:37 <Mekkis> Avatar, I hope you extend that to fighter/druids
11:55 <Hydrazine> I think the difference there Avatar, might get more notable at higher levels, when the ACs really start to pick up.
11:58 <Steven> grab is a special attack, i thought were we talking about the basic grapple attack action
12:05 <Avatar-> not ones that fly with spirited charge and a lance
12:06 <kapow> if your dieing and fail con save you now loose 1d6 points of health
12:29 <kapow> 3 consecutive saves automatically stablizes
12:31 <Mekkis> compared with fighters, there isn't that much of a difference
12:31 <Hydrazine> Most of the big tough sort of enemies have vastly more reg AC than touch, correct?
12:35 <Avatar-> that's a power build with a sort of unbeatable combination
12:44 <Hydrazine> magic missile the mount!
12:53 <Avatar-> fighters are easier to attempt to hit
13:00 <kapow> death is hp is con+lvl
13:24 <Mekkis> yes, but they can have higher ACs and HPs
13:51 <Hydrazine> the no size limits on regular grappling actually makes Hoku alot stronger than I thought.
14:20 <Avatar-> but most mobs have no real chance hitting grolschmir
14:21 <Steven> usually its offset by the fact larger creatures are harder to grapple due to the size bonus
14:32 <Hydrazine> Well.
14:43 <Steven> so theres no need to give a size limit
14:53 <Avatar-> gotta go
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15:00 <Steven> a colossal creature is going to be so very hard to grapple
15:01 <Hydrazine> 3.5 had one though, I think its where most of us get the idea from.
15:02 <Wrothmonk> Hey Avatar, have you sent out chronicle sheets for the last game yet?
15:16 <Avatar> yeah, not yours cuz you brb'd
15:30 <Avatar> sec
15:44 <Hydrazine> Hoku at higher levels may have a decent chance at grappling even larger enemies.
15:44 <Avatar> that was your first game wasn't it
15:47 <Steven> jeeze its only 315....
15:51 <Avatar> 58171-1 ?
15:53 <Steven> this day is dragging by
15:59 <Hydrazine> Or his equivalent lore warden brother, with better CMB.
16:04 <Wrothmonk> Second game, first character.
16:41 <Avatar> I don't think you can apply pregen credit to the second game can you
17:27 <Wrothmonk> Huh? 
17:36 <Hydrazine> I think you could cheese a fighter up on par with the other three.
17:59 <Avatar> I think you can only apply the credit to a newly made 1st level character
18:04 <Hydrazine> you could definately cheese the hell out of a pair of barbarians..
18:27 <kapow> wow rogue lvl 1 sneak attack does 2d6 now
18:29 <kapow> instead of 1
18:56 <Wrothmonk> My character wasn't a pregen.
19:01 <Avatar> . A player who uses a pregenerated 
19:02 <Avatar> character must apply the Chronicle sheet to a newly created 
19:02 <Avatar> 1st-level character or hold the Chronicle sheet until his 
19:02 <Avatar> character reaches the level of the pregenerated character.
19:06 <Avatar> oh, wasn't it
19:44 <Wrothmonk> No, I was playing Earendur remember?
19:56 <Avatar> yeah you're set then
19:57 <kapow> thats so cool
20:03 <kapow> rogues get dark vision 30
20:03 <Avatar> I thought that was just a name you made up on the spot
20:10 <kapow> after 1 minute in darkness ^_^
20:12 <Steven> you can cheese anything
20:25 <Steven> its just some classes lend themselves to cheesing easier
20:34 <Avatar> no day job
21:22 <kapow> wizards have 2 attack modifiers avatar!
21:34 <kapow> 1 for spells and 1 for normal attacks
22:00 <Wrothmonk> Spell casters or just wizards?
22:17 <kapow> only 4 casters in playtest
22:24 <kapow> cleric/fighter/rogue/wizard
22:34 <kapow> not casters
22:35 <kapow> classes*
23:02 <Wrothmonk> Huh? What playtest?
23:16 <Avatar> d&d:next
23:30 <kapow> 4 races with several subraces each
23:36 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
23:41 <kapow> human, elf, dwarf, halfling
24:08 <Avatar> what subraces does human have
24:11 <Wrothmonk> Where can I find the rule book for the play test?
24:11 <kapow> they added a new currency too :/
24:23 <Avatar> ask brunius
24:30 <Avatar> or maybe mekkis seems to know
24:36 <Wrothmonk> Thanks
25:17 <Wrothmonk> GTG school.
25:22 <kapow> only 1 kind of human soz avatar
25:30 <Avatar> fuck kapow
25:45 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: why not tell me all the info I need to know to make up your chronicle sheet yo
25:51 <Avatar> geez louis
25:51 <Avatar> e
27:24 <kapow> i think there are going to be a lot more human pc's
29:18 <kapow> One starting ability
29:18 <kapow> score of your choice increases by 2, and all your
29:18 <kapow> other ability scores increase by 1.
29:43 <kapow> all the other races have like 1 step either HD increase of weapon damage increase with specific weapons
29:51 <kapow> and a +1 to specific stats
29:59 <Avatar> do up a character sheet and then we'll talk
30:35 <kapow> will do by tomorrow night
30:57 <kapow> should tell others you see to do the same and lets sit down and have a proper ish chat about stuff?
31:13 <Avatar> I don't really understand the rules
31:23 <Avatar> skimmed it and it looked the same
31:28 <Avatar> I could play a pregen I guess
31:41 <kapow> there are a fair few differences
31:54 <kapow> not too many though
32:03 <kapow> it's tightened up combat a bit and made it simpler
32:38 <Avatar> I wonder if we would've liked 4e if we hadn't tried playing it using maptools
33:20 <Mekkis> I wouldn't have
33:29 <Avatar> how do you know
34:05 <Mekkis> I played 4e in person. Twice
34:40 <Mekkis> in Pathfinder, how long would it take to switch amulets on an animal companion?
34:48 <Mekkis> could you do it in standard + move?
34:51 <Avatar> two full rounds
35:16 <Mekkis> what happens if you put two amulets on the one creature?
35:24 <Mekkis> only one works, right?
35:43 <Avatar> I think so
35:49 <Avatar> they certainly both don't work
36:12 <Avatar> taking them off takes two full rounds too
36:41 <Mekkis> so if you put two amulets on it, and the second one is nonfunctional
36:56 <Mekkis> could you remove the functional one to effectively switch functions in a single round?
37:13 <Avatar> in two single rounds
37:33 <Mekkis> where's the rule that says that
37:45 <Avatar> where's the rule that says otherwise?
37:56 <Mekkis> hell, where's the rule that says that putting an amulet on an animal companion takes a full round
38:07 <Avatar> but where's the rule that says otherwise?
38:23 <Mekkis> you're asserting the rule
38:28 <Avatar> so are you
38:38 <Mekkis> no I'm not
38:43 <Mekkis> I haven't asserted any rules
38:59 <Avatar> ok where is the rule that says putting on an amulet on an animal companion takes x amount of time
39:17 <Mekkis> is there one?
39:27 <Avatar> the million dollar question
39:38 <Avatar> gotta run
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53:00 <tashphones> Avatar: logic says that tashphones is me on my phone..
54:52 <Hydrazine> Oh no, a sushi
55:41 <Steven> its okay...
55:56 <Steven> just pretend you're not here... always works for me
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14:23 <Avatar> oh
14:27 <Avatar> but you aren't timing out a lot
14:47 <Avatar> someone ring my phone
18:24 <Mekkis> MekkisScreen is on my phone
18:31 <Mekkis> when's the last time he timed out?
19:58 <Hydrazine> I scrolled up to before I went to sleep.
20:04 <Hydrazine> Didn't see it time out between then.
21:17 <Avatar> yeah not the same thing man
21:37 <Avatar> logging back into a server that always stays connected is different from having a proper irc client on your phone
22:29 <Mekkis> how do you know that tashphones isn't doing that?
22:57 <Mekkis> fyi: using znc as a bouncer with a full IRC client on your phone would have the same effect
23:15 <Mekkis> I have a full IRC client on my laptop, which I'm using now. I move the laptop around a lot
25:22 <Avatar> she's not
26:05 <Mekkis> how do you know she isn't using a bouncer?
27:44 <tashphones> Im not using wifi. Hence no timeout.
36:57 <Steven> yo
38:07 <Mekkis> yo
38:20 <Mekkis> I killed ausk
38:21 <Mekkis> again
38:31 <Steven> no one can kill ausk
38:38 <Mekkis> of course not
38:39 <Mekkis> he's dead
38:45 <Steven> not even the only lich in PFS
38:46 <Mekkis> I killed him
39:33 <Steven> if thats what helps you sleep at night
39:41 <Steven> you can continue to believe it.
40:28 <tashphones> Mekkis is trying to build an anti-ausk 
40:49 <Steven> lawful neutral worshiper of abadar?
40:57 <Steven> sounds boring.
43:00 <Steven> so hows your anti ausk going
52:09 <Steven> oh come on ive been gone for like five minutes, no update on the anti ausk
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05:23 <spider21b> hey
06:37 <Hydrazine> yo
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20:23 <MekkisScreen> hey
20:33 <Panda> yes?
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55:00 <Hydrazine> t got to the point where he couldn't get through a day without drinking one. Then it got worse. He had to use more and more powerful cure wounds potions to get the same kick. He was downing two or three potions every hour. And then they stopped working altogether. That's when he switched to inflict wounds. Gods, that's an ugly way to die...
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58:14 <Steven> yo
01:33 <MekkisScreen> wtf hydra!
07:52 <Steven> ahhhh man....
08:35 <Steven> just got invited to GM for Pax10
08:52 <Steven> now i gotta decline cause im goin to california
11:12 <Wrothmonk> I wish Avatar would come on so I could ask him why I haven't gotten a chronicle sheet from him :/
19:04 <MekkisScreen> I'm surprised that a guy in texas shot 3 people and made the news!
20:39 * Wrothmonk is browsing through crafting rules
22:14 <Wrothmonk> How exactly does crafting work in PFS when people can't confirm the rolls?
27:12 <MekkisScreen> IT doesn't
27:34 <MekkisScreen> you don't craft in PFS, except for wizards' bonded items
27:42 <Wrothmonk> So crafting is out then. Damn, it looked cool.
31:05 <Hydrazine> Yeah, sorry.
57:58 <MekkisScreen> RFC1855
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27:51 <Wrothmonk> Mother of god...
30:53 * Wrothmonk is looking at dragon disciple prestige class and sorcerer draconic bloodline
32:08 <Hydrazine> Found something you like?
32:11 <Wrothmonk> Its official, PFS is the best role playing game ever.
32:21 <Hydrazine> Eh.
32:57 <Wrothmonk> I believe I have found something I like.
33:02 <Hydrazine> I like pathfinder in general, but I'm less interested in society play.
33:45 <MekkisScreen> someone should run something nonpfs
34:00 <Steven> i nominate mekkis
34:03 <MekkisScreen> I vote mort!
34:16 <Wrothmonk> Its easier to access for me. Although if there was a group that did straight pathfinder that was nearby I would /so/ jump in.
34:34 <Steven> the person in charge will be a lemure with a tail
34:58 <MekkisScreen> do you have a problem with that!
35:08 <Hydrazine> probably not such a hot idea to actually jump in. I mean there'd be dice everywhere, you'd probably spill someone's coke..
35:27 <Wrothmonk> Personally I prefer a dragon with a tail.
35:29 <Steven> yeah.... i will kill the lemure....
35:33 <Wrothmonk> Hydrazine: LOL!!!
35:35 * MekkisScreen proceeds to start bullying mort
37:32 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: you allow coke on the table?!
37:43 <Wrothmonk> wait...
37:51 <Wrothmonk> I didn't register that.
38:04 <MekkisScreen> too late, I've already started
38:05 <Hydrazine> Nothing like an ice cold coke when you're geeking it up.
38:21 <Hydrazine> I prefer em still in the can.
38:23 <Wrothmonk> Hydrazine you monster! Who would want their character sheets anywhere near liquids!
38:31 <MekkisScreen> actually, there's nothing like having coke spilled all over your books
38:41 <Wrothmonk> That to.
38:44 <Hydrazine> Well.
38:54 <MekkisScreen> anyway, roleplaying works better with beer
38:57 * Wrothmonk hugs pathfinder stuff to chest "My precious…"
38:57 <Hydrazine> I'm used to playing on carpet around a coffee table.
39:10 <MekkisScreen> with coke
39:13 <MekkisScreen> ?
39:15 <Hydrazine> So drinks and snacks went on the table, books went on the floor.
39:30 <spider21b> bACJ?
39:49 <Hydrazine> And dude, I was Navy. You can't trust those guys to drink during a game and not end up shitfaced.
39:52 <MekkisScreen> anyone want to playtest d&d next!!! ?
40:03 <Hydrazine> And at the end of the night I had to drive home.
40:31 <spider21b> back 
40:37 <spider21b> me!
40:38 <Hydrazine> Eh, I rather just read the playtest stuff.
40:43 <Hydrazine> Looks kinda crazy so far.
41:11 <Hydrazine> fighters doing damage every round, nomatter what.
41:47 * Wrothmonk starts writing up a draconic bloodline sorcerer to dragon claw bitch slap Hydrazine for his utter lack of interest in preserving /precious/ character sheets and books
42:01 <Wrothmonk> his/her
42:50 <Hydrazine> Did you miss the part with books on the floor and food on the table?
42:55 <Hydrazine> It worked out.
43:34 <MekkisScreen> and being pissed while driving home
43:59 <Hydrazine> Oh, how well does the rdd grapple?
44:06 <Steven> I cant decide on my new first level character.
44:28 <MekkisScreen> gnomish paladin
44:57 <Steven> me no gusta paladins, i had always being a nice guy
45:22 <Steven> hate even
45:29 <MekkisScreen> gunslinger then
45:31 <Wrothmonk> A gnome paladin...
45:37 <Wrothmonk> Anyone up for bowling?
45:51 <Steven> i already have a gunslinger/inquisitor thing im building
46:01 <MekkisScreen> anyone up for skewering?
46:07 <MekkisScreen> a gnomish druid!
46:12 <MekkisScreen> riding a roc!
46:24 <Steven> eh..... no i dont want to cheese
46:31 <MekkisScreen> we need more Andoran Sword-bombers
46:40 <Wrothmonk> Sword bombers?
46:45 <MekkisScreen> then don't push your strength too hard
46:56 <MekkisScreen> did you see the old Andoard faction symbol?
47:08 <Wrothmonk> No.
47:31 <MekkisScreen> it's a bird carrying a sword in its talons
47:36 <MekkisScreen> aka sword-bomber
48:35 <Wrothmonk> Ah. Awesome.
49:18 <MekkisScreen> they have an elite branch of the military known as the Eagle Knights
49:57 <Steven> hmmm.... so.... thinking of maybe doin some kind of oracle...
50:16 <MekkisScreen> oracle or mysql?
52:03 <spider21b> i got a dwarf monk
52:08 <spider21b> monks are cool
52:13 <Steven> Halfling Oracle maybe
52:29 <Wrothmonk> oh yes the brewmaster talent tree. Aren't bar fights wonderful? 
52:39 <Wrothmonk> (WoW joke)
52:45 <MekkisScreen> ANDORAN NEEDS YOU!!
53:19 <Wrothmonk> wait… Spider21b, was that meant to be a dr who reference?
54:05 <Steven> Halfling Oracle of Chelaxia
55:15 <MekkisScreen> Juju?
55:50 <Steven> maybe nature
56:29 <MekkisScreen> too many of my characters have companions
56:45 <Steven> no companion
56:52 <MekkisScreen> I need to take a break from them
57:12 <Steven> think imma make him tanky
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00:02 <MekkisScreen> uùis there anything like energy substitution in pathfinder?
00:15 <Steven> 23AC at second level seems pretty decent
00:34 <MekkisScreen> fullplatr?
00:40 <Steven> medium armor only
00:53 <Panda>  You are currently outside in your RBBA Heavy Tank, sector C-4
00:54 <Panda> Cobra (flying) 	zop* 		41.14 % (5)
01:13 <Steven> what is this madness you speak panda...
01:35 <MekkisScreen> uùis there anything like energy substitution in pathfinder?
02:26 <Panda> wrong chat XP
02:32 <Panda> got 2 mIRc's in same window
02:33 <Steven> totaly cool.
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02:46 <Steven> what do you mean energy substitution?
03:06 <Steven> like substituting fire damage for ice damage?
06:56 <spider21b> check out my monk guys
07:08 <spider21b> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=428245
07:11 <Steven> is it female?
08:06 <spider21b> steven who are you asking?
08:12 <Steven> i think its nap time.
08:20 <Wrothmonk> Hey guys, how well would a chaotic evil character work in the RP?
08:21 <Steven> yes... nap time indeed.
08:37 <Steven> what RP?
08:51 <Wrothmonk> Pathfinder society. 
08:59 <Steven> for Pathfinder Society evil characters are not allowed.
09:32 <Wrothmonk> Really? Gah I need to read the rules more thoroughly.
09:50 <Steven> indeed have people pointed you at the players guide yet?
09:58 <spider21b> xd
10:17 <spider21b> any pfs games i can be a awake for?
10:49 <Steven> alright, napping... have a great time guys
10:57 <Wrothmonk> I have the player's guide… It just seems each time somebody says something about a rule I didn't read, the section magically appears...
11:18 <Steven> well, you are doing everything right then, keep at it monk
20:56 <spider21b> for my character?
21:21 <Wrothmonk> This is why I prefer wroth to monk :p
22:53 <Wrothmonk> Anybody mind me using the chat dice bot to roll age and stuff? I can't find my dice anywhere.
24:00 <spider21b> i gotcha
24:40 <spider21b> btw, i was thinking for my dwarf monk to do a level of sorcerer?
25:34 <Wrothmonk> I guess not then.
25:43 <Wrothmonk> !roll 2d8
26:00 <Wrothmonk> wait… what?
31:32 <spider21b> what?
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43:43 <Wrothmonk> What counts as a high intelligence? 
44:46 <Wrothmonk> Languages: Elves begin play speaking Common and Elven. Elves with high Intelligence scores can choose from the following: Celestial, Draconic, Gnoll, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, and Sylvan.
48:11 <Wrothmonk> I guess nobody is on :(
48:44 <ducknuckem> I am.
48:47 <ducknuckem> But i have no idea.
50:42 <ducknuckem> Isn't it something like each +1 mod gives you an extra language?
51:04 * Wrothmonk shrugs
51:11 <Wrothmonk> I don't know.
21:39 <MekkisScreen> the linguistics skill
24:15 <MekkisScreen> !throw 2d6
24:17 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 2d6: [2d6=1,5] 6
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45:31 <Hydrazine> Yes, int mod does give languages.
46:34 <Hydrazine> "You apply your character's Intelligence modifier to:
46:35 <Hydrazine> The number of bonus languages your character knows at the start of the game. These are in addition to any starting racial languages and Common. If you have a penalty, you can still read and speak your racial languages unless your Intelligence is lower than 3."
00:50 <spider21b> xd
15:05 <spider21b> anyone out tonight?
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40:18 <Brunius> "A new D&D Next Playtest Packet is ready!"
05:52 <MekkisScreen> let's test it!
05:54 <S712> Over 40 players were logged on MUME tonight.
05:59 <MekkisScreen> Brunius! 
06:05 <MekkisScreen> You're the DM!
06:40 <tashphones> Gogogo!
10:06 <Brunius> Saturday, 11am
10:19 <Brunius> Level 1, standard gold
12:05 <MekkisScreen> not tonight?!
12:17 <Brunius> No, not tonight
12:35 <MekkisScreen> cool
19:07 <Panda> wait whats going on?
33:13 <MekkisScreen> Brunius is running a D&D Next playtest
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40:05 <Avatar> Brunius: seriously?
41:16 <Brunius> What
41:18 <Brunius> Yeah man
41:20 <Brunius> Put it in the topic
41:24 <Brunius> Level 1, standard gold
41:33 <Brunius> If any other things are "at GM discretion" ask me
42:38 <Brunius> http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/y6w6x/seems_like_day_z_is_getting_the_recognition_it/
44:36 <Ballig> what's D&D Next
44:41 <Brunius> 5th Ed
45:08 <Ballig> is it still a CRPG
45:16 <Brunius> CRPG?
45:20 <Ballig> computer RPG
45:38 <Brunius> Not as much, last time I checked
45:42 <Brunius> Haven't seen the new version
59:29 <Avatar> what acronym do we use for that
59:35 <Avatar> DNDN
00:10 <Ballig> DNDN5e
01:53 <Mekkis> I prefer just 5e
03:55 <Avatar> it only allows 4 characters doesn't it
04:03 <Ballig> really? it puts a limit?
04:21 <Ballig> oh, are you talking about on the site?
04:59 <Ballig> four characters is probably right
05:02 <Ballig> DND5
06:01 <Ballig> Should I get: boots of striding and springing, belt of dexterity, belt of strength, or cloak of resistance?
06:04 <Ballig> for my level 6 cleric
06:20 <Mekkis> rod of reach?
06:43 <Mekkis> tell me about your cleric...
06:52 <Ballig> have a rod of reach already
07:22 <Ballig> he doesn't mind getting into melee, but isn't great at it
08:01 <Mekkis> get the boots: the other options are boring
08:08 <Ballig> tries to play the combat cleric role by channeling and then support spells
08:49 <Avatar> I kind of like DNDN
09:09 <Mekkis> but it's not PFS!
09:17 <Brunius> And buck won't get XP
09:25 <Avatar> no, I like the acronym
09:26 <Mekkis> oh no !
09:43 <Ballig> sure hope I remember my cleric has 30 feet of movement now instead of 20
10:03 <Mekkis> what armour?
10:15 <Ballig> breastplate
10:23 <Brunius> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?_s=e3894acf-ba19-429d-8d9f-38b3fc704bdd&_sp=2045&id=8516146
10:25 <Mekkis> +2?
10:31 <Ballig> it occurs to me it might be cheaper to get mithral breastplate instead of boots
10:40 <Ballig> only +1 for now
10:51 <Mekkis> it will, but you want the acrobatics bump, right?
11:14 <Ballig> the acrobatics bump is decent, but it's not a huge factor in the decision
37:48 <S712> Peter Jackson has lost so much weight, I don't recognise him anymore.
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22:37 <ducknuckem> Meet the Feebles, not you average ordinary kinda people!
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39:01 <Panda> I want a war elephant ^_^
39:08 <Avatar> get one
39:16 <Panda> they are only lik 1,000 gp ^_^
39:25 <Avatar> kapow what do you think
39:28 <Panda> but the book lists no stats for them at all
39:33 <Avatar> DNDN, DND5 or 5E
39:34 <Panda> what do i think about what?
39:50 <Avatar> acronym for D&D next
39:55 <Avatar> we need a deciding vote
40:03 <Panda> what is it called?
40:06 <Avatar> too many fencesitters around here
40:09 <Avatar> it's called D&D next
40:33 <Avatar> (5th edition)
40:35 <Panda> :/
40:38 <Panda> what a shitty name
40:45 <Avatar> yeah, blame wotc
40:51 <Panda> wotc?
40:53 <Avatar> which of those 3 acronyms do you like best
40:55 <Panda> oh
40:56 <Avatar> wizards of the coast
40:56 <Panda> nvm
40:59 <Avatar> good 1
41:09 <Panda> yeah i face palmed the second after i hit enter on that one
41:27 <Panda> well the first thing i thought of was next generation
41:32 <Panda> then was like fuck that was shit
41:45 <Avatar> what are you talking about man
41:47 <Avatar> make a choice !
41:55 <Avatar> have a good think though
41:58 <Avatar> it's going to stick
42:03 <Panda> 5th ed feels normal because all of the other ed
42:09 <Panda> but then pathfinder was technically 5th ed
42:27 <Avatar> pathfinder is on another world altogether
42:35 <Avatar> they just had a score to settle
42:39 <Panda> still though
42:52 <Panda> DNDN sounds dumb so rule that out
42:58 <Avatar> fu
42:59 <Panda> maybe if you spaced it
43:00 <Avatar> that is a sweet name
43:01 <Panda> DND N
43:04 <Panda> not DNDN
43:07 <Avatar> it's an acronym
43:14 <Avatar> it's good because it's like that
43:16 <Avatar> !
44:01 <Panda> DND5 doesn't feel right either
44:14 <Avatar> so you think 5E is the best of the three
44:19 <Panda> 5th ed follows the pattern ^_^
44:52 <Panda> if DNDN was to be put as DND N though
44:55 <Panda> i would say that one
45:21 <Panda> without the space it's just to "Ahhhhh i'm stuck in an eternal look of DNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDNDN"
45:27 <Panda> sounds dumb ^_^ no offense
45:46 <Panda> it's like having a 3some with 2 chicks
45:53 <Panda> and another dude coming along
45:58 <Panda> just not as right you know?
46:06 <Avatar> you can't add spaces
46:17 <Avatar> that's like saying you want a word with a space in it
46:31 <Avatar> it's like saying you want to spell dragon as drago n
47:41 <Panda> not but dragon is one word DND is multiple words and it's only abbreviated because it has a word you leave out mose the time in the middle
47:54 <Panda> it's a word that in the tittle isn't worthy of a capital
47:57 <Panda> the Next
48:00 <Panda> is worth of a capital
48:06 <Panda> so it needs to be spaced
48:10 <Avatar> we can do DnDn
48:17 <Panda> DnDN
48:29 <Avatar> you might be onto something with that one
48:34 <Panda> or D&DN
48:53 <Panda> but DNDN looks stupid
48:59 <Avatar> I don't think we can use an and symbol
49:04 <Avatar> let's go with DnDN
49:12 <Avatar> that is intuitive
49:18 <Panda> it's like the campaigns
49:21 <Panda> SoTA
49:32 <Avatar> that's exactly what this is for you dope
49:33 <Panda> the o words isn't worth a capital
49:38 <Avatar> what do you think we're doing, playing a game
50:08 <Panda> no i was just using it as an example of an abbreviation that gives the word not worth a capital a lowercase in the abbreviation
50:09 <Avatar> god it's been a while since I created a campaign
50:42 <Panda> wait are we having a proper campaign sometime in the future :O!?
51:23 <Avatar> yeah
51:28 <Avatar> brunius is running the playtest
51:44 <Panda> count me in!
51:55 <Panda> i wanna playtest i wanna playtest!
52:34 <Ballig> Panda: asl
52:54 <Panda> -.^?
53:05 <Panda> what does that have to do with playtest?
53:41 <Ballig> do you want to make out
53:45 Panda is now known as kapow
53:51 <Ballig> oh it's kapow
53:54 <kapow> lol
53:56 <Ballig> neverdemind
54:02 <Ballig> anyway
54:04 <Ballig> do you want to make out?
54:25 <kapow> let me go get my flat mates fiance i'll put her on for 10 minutes
54:32 <kapow> promise she'll be in her underwear atleast
55:44 <Mekkis> too many RFC1918 addresses in google
56:23 <kapow> when is this DnDN playtest gonna happen?
56:36 <Ballig> right now ! roll initiative !
56:43 <kapow> !roll1d20+21
56:47 <kapow> !roll 1d20+21
56:55 <kapow> !throw 1d20+21
56:56 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+21: [1d20=3] 24
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57:26 <Ballig> joke's on you - in the new rules, highest initiative goes last!
57:27 <Ballig> ha ha!
57:44 <kapow> roll your init then homo
58:22 <Ballig> !roll 1d20-21
58:23 <dicebot> Ballig, 1d20-21: [1d20=13] -8
58:26 <Ballig> sweet I go first
58:32 <kapow> no because your not alive
58:41 <kapow> your init is your age dumbass
58:43 <Ballig> that's right, I am playing the new player race - ghost
58:47 <kapow> so your not born for another 21 years
58:55 <Mekkis> roll inet!
59:03 <kapow> lol inet is fail!
59:10 <Mekkis> yeah
59:16 <Mekkis> inet6 is the way to go, right?
59:31 <kapow> inet full stop blahhhh
59:37 <kapow> anyway gonna play video games ^_^
59:48 <Mekkis> I have no idea what you're referring to
00:07 <Mekkis> but I think I should go and ignite some aluminium and iron
07:08 <Mekkis> hey
08:04 <Mekkis> you can download minis from TPB now
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15:46 <kapow> oooo game!
18:40 <kapow> books for playtest where?
43:25 <Mekkis> You have been invited to a game: D&amp;D: Next Playtest on Saturday, 18 August 11:00 AM
45:24 <kapow> yeah i accepted but where is the source for it?
45:39 <kapow> books with everything in it to use for play?
45:50 <kapow> or are we getting given like pregens to playtest with or something?
46:21 <Mekkis> sign up to wizards' playtest
46:31 <Mekkis> or google "D&D next rar"
46:42 <Mekkis> might need to put "torrent" in there too
51:44 <tashphones> Rawr!
01:30 <Avatar> it's a playtest, they aren't for sale
02:19 <Avatar> tashes what is tashphones
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05:01 <Avatar> wroth
06:26 <Wrothmonk> Hello.
07:23 <kapow> hmmm thats new
07:29 <kapow> they changed crits
07:38 <Avatar> really?
07:46 <kapow> Natural 20: If your d20 roll is a 20 before
07:46 <kapow> adding modifiers, your attack is a critical hit. A
07:46 <kapow> critical hit deals the maximum possible damage for
07:46 <kapow> the attack.
08:00 <kapow> no confirmation
08:03 <kapow> no extra dice
08:10 <kapow> just straight up you crit you do max damage
08:42 <Avatar> that is a good change if you ask me
09:12 <kapow> and it applies to all extra dice added to attack
09:12 <Wrothmonk> I think so as well.
09:17 <kapow> such as sneak attack etc
09:34 <kapow> no AOO's for using a ranged weapon in melee
09:41 <kapow> but instead take a neg to your attack roll
09:46 <kapow> but it doesn't state what -
10:40 <kapow> damage resistance is simplified
10:49 <kapow> to resistance to something halves all damage to it
10:52 <Avatar> you don't get AoO's when you're using a ranged weapon in melee anytime
11:02 <kapow> vulnerability to something doubles all damage from it
12:01 <kapow> if your dieing and fail con save you now loose 1d6 points of health
12:24 <kapow> 3 consecutive saves automatically stablizes
12:54 <kapow> death is hp is con+lvl
14:57 <Wrothmonk> Hey Avatar, have you sent out chronicle sheets for the last game yet?
15:11 <Avatar> yeah, not yours cuz you brb'd
15:25 <Avatar> sec
15:38 <Avatar> that was your first game wasn't it
15:46 <Avatar> 58171-1 ?
15:59 <Wrothmonk> Second game, first character.
16:35 <Avatar> I don't think you can apply pregen credit to the second game can you
17:21 <Wrothmonk> Huh? 
17:54 <Avatar> I think you can only apply the credit to a newly made 1st level character
18:21 <kapow> wow rogue lvl 1 sneak attack does 2d6 now
18:23 <kapow> instead of 1
18:50 <Wrothmonk> My character wasn't a pregen.
18:56 <Avatar> . A player who uses a pregenerated 
18:56 <Avatar> character must apply the Chronicle sheet to a newly created 
18:56 <Avatar> 1st-level character or hold the Chronicle sheet until his 
18:56 <Avatar> character reaches the level of the pregenerated character.
19:01 <Avatar> oh, wasn't it
19:39 <Wrothmonk> No, I was playing Earendur remember?
19:51 <Avatar> yeah you're set then
19:52 <kapow> thats so cool
19:57 <kapow> rogues get dark vision 30
19:58 <Avatar> I thought that was just a name you made up on the spot
20:04 <kapow> after 1 minute in darkness ^_^
20:29 <Avatar> no day job
21:16 <kapow> wizards have 2 attack modifiers avatar!
21:28 <kapow> 1 for spells and 1 for normal attacks
21:54 <Wrothmonk> Spell casters or just wizards?
22:11 <kapow> only 4 casters in playtest
22:19 <kapow> cleric/fighter/rogue/wizard
22:28 <kapow> not casters
22:30 <kapow> classes*
22:57 <Wrothmonk> Huh? What playtest?
23:10 <Avatar> d&d:next
23:25 <kapow> 4 races with several subraces each
23:31 <Wrothmonk> Ah.
23:36 <kapow> human, elf, dwarf, halfling
24:03 <Avatar> what subraces does human have
24:05 <Wrothmonk> Where can I find the rule book for the play test?
24:06 <kapow> they added a new currency too :/
24:17 <Avatar> ask brunius
24:24 <Avatar> or maybe mekkis seems to know
24:30 <Wrothmonk> Thanks
25:12 <Wrothmonk> GTG school.
25:16 <kapow> only 1 kind of human soz avatar
25:24 <Avatar> fuck kapow
25:40 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: why not tell me all the info I need to know to make up your chronicle sheet yo
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25:45 <Avatar> geez louis
25:46 <Avatar> e
27:19 <kapow> i think there are going to be a lot more human pc's
29:12 <kapow> One starting ability
29:12 <kapow> score of your choice increases by 2, and all your
29:12 <kapow> other ability scores increase by 1.
29:38 <kapow> all the other races have like 1 step either HD increase of weapon damage increase with specific weapons
29:46 <kapow> and a +1 to specific stats
29:54 <Avatar> do up a character sheet and then we'll talk
30:30 <kapow> will do by tomorrow night
30:51 <kapow> should tell others you see to do the same and lets sit down and have a proper ish chat about stuff?
31:07 <Avatar> I don't really understand the rules
31:18 <Avatar> skimmed it and it looked the same
31:22 <Avatar> I could play a pregen I guess
31:36 <kapow> there are a fair few differences
31:49 <kapow> not too many though
31:58 <kapow> it's tightened up combat a bit and made it simpler
32:32 <Avatar> I wonder if we would've liked 4e if we hadn't tried playing it using maptools
33:13 <Mekkis> I wouldn't have
33:23 <Avatar> how do you know
33:59 <Mekkis> I played 4e in person. Twice
34:34 <Mekkis> in Pathfinder, how long would it take to switch amulets on an animal companion?
34:42 <Mekkis> could you do it in standard + move?
34:45 <Avatar> two full rounds
35:10 <Mekkis> what happens if you put two amulets on the one creature?
35:19 <Mekkis> only one works, right?
35:38 <Avatar> I think so
35:44 <Avatar> they certainly both don't work
36:07 <Avatar> taking them off takes two full rounds too
36:35 <Mekkis> so if you put two amulets on it, and the second one is nonfunctional
36:50 <Mekkis> could you remove the functional one to effectively switch functions in a single round?
37:07 <Avatar> in two single rounds
37:27 <Mekkis> where's the rule that says that
37:39 <Avatar> where's the rule that says otherwise?
37:50 <Mekkis> hell, where's the rule that says that putting an amulet on an animal companion takes a full round
38:02 <Avatar> but where's the rule that says otherwise?
38:17 <Mekkis> you're asserting the rule
38:22 <Avatar> so are you
38:33 <Mekkis> no I'm not
38:38 <Mekkis> I haven't asserted any rules
38:53 <Avatar> ok where is the rule that says putting on an amulet on an animal companion takes x amount of time
39:11 <Mekkis> is there one?
39:22 <Avatar> the million dollar question
39:33 <Avatar> gotta run
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52:55 <tashphones> Avatar: logic says that tashphones is me on my phone..
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14:18 <Avatar> oh
14:21 <Avatar> but you aren't timing out a lot
14:41 <Avatar> someone ring my phone
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18:18 <Mekkis> MekkisScreen is on my phone
18:25 <Mekkis> when's the last time he timed out?
19:53 <Hydrazine> I scrolled up to before I went to sleep.
19:59 <Hydrazine> Didn't see it time out between then.
21:11 <Avatar> yeah not the same thing man
21:32 <Avatar> logging back into a server that always stays connected is different from having a proper irc client on your phone
22:23 <Mekkis> how do you know that tashphones isn't doing that?
22:26 Steven has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
22:52 <Mekkis> fyi: using znc as a bouncer with a full IRC client on your phone would have the same effect
23:09 <Mekkis> I have a full IRC client on my laptop, which I'm using now. I move the laptop around a lot
25:16 <Avatar> she's not
26:00 <Mekkis> how do you know she isn't using a bouncer?
27:38 <tashphones> Im not using wifi. Hence no timeout.
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36:51 <Steven> yo
38:01 <Mekkis> yo
38:14 <Mekkis> I killed ausk
38:15 <Mekkis> again
38:26 <Steven> no one can kill ausk
38:32 <Mekkis> of course not
38:33 <Mekkis> he's dead
38:40 <Steven> not even the only lich in PFS
38:40 <Mekkis> I killed him
44:49 <Mekkis> should I get a keen amulet of mighty fists?
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56:00 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Aug 14 21:08:18 2012
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56:41 <Steven> alright! aasimar thief incomming
56:55 <Mekkis> I don't need to build an anti-ausk
57:02 <Mekkis> I killed ausk
57:23 * Steven pets mekkis on the shoulder.
57:25 <Steven> sure you did...
57:33 <Steven> killed him dead im sure...
58:06 <Mekkis> Ballig should add a spindown mode to dicebot
58:27 <Mekkis> so rather than rolling 1d20, you spin the top
58:34 <Mekkis> and roll 1d5+15
59:05 <Hydrazine> what good does that do?
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