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00:00:08 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPINDOWN-LIFE-COUNTER-MTG-MAGIC-BLACK-LOTUS-RED-DICE-D20-/390406332328
00:00:34 <Mekkis> it's not hard to throw them such that you WILL roll between 16 and 20
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05:26:30 <Avatar> it's not a matter of bumping an odd stat by +1 at 4th and 8th to pick up the slack when dragon disciple kicks in
05:27:23 <Avatar> one build helps the sorcerer part, the other build helps the dragon disciple part, no middle ground
05:27:49 <Wrothmonk> About that...
05:27:58 <Ballig> if you're freaking out a lot about AC, you can also take a level of fighter
05:28:39 <Ballig> a level of fighter and third level caster, you can take arcane armor training
05:28:59 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I realized I'm going to be squishy until Dragon disciple comes in… So not so much freaking out anymore about it.
05:29:18 <Ballig> dragon disciple won't magically make you un-squishy
05:29:38 <Wrothmonk> Let me look over the stat table again quick...
05:29:39 <Avatar> does it let you wear better armour without ACP
05:29:42 <Avatar> er, ASF
05:29:46 <Ballig> no
05:29:53 <Ballig> it gives +1 natural armour
05:30:21 <Avatar> need that uh arcane armour feat then
05:30:25 <Ballig> yeah
05:30:29 <Ballig> that's the feat I just talked about
05:30:31 <Ballig> arcane armor training
05:30:35 <Avatar> that's the one
05:30:41 <Ballig> but you need armour proficiency from somewhere
05:30:48 <Ballig> one of the better ways is to take a level of fighter
05:30:56 <Ballig> also you can't get it until minimum level 3
05:31:01 <Ballig> level 4 if you go with the level of fighter
05:31:10 <Ballig> (to get it at level 3 you will have to spend a regular feat choice on light armour proficiency)
05:31:43 <Wrothmonk> Or I could change my Human bonus feat.
05:31:59 <Ballig> using a feat on armour proficiency always makes me wince
05:32:00 <Wrothmonk> Oh wait no 3rd level caster level...
05:32:02 <Ballig> but it's a possibility
05:32:07 <Ballig> yeah, you can't get it until minimum level 3
05:33:34 <Avatar> waiting till you get to level 3 or 4 will feel like a looong time
05:33:43 <Wrothmonk> Obviously doubling the duration of the icicle dagger from level one is less important than getting armor.
05:34:07 <Ballig> you're going to use the icicle dagger? why?
05:34:23 <Wrothmonk> Beginning to wonder myself ;)
05:39:30 <Avatar> what's icicle dagger
05:39:38 <Avatar> is that a spell
05:39:42 <Ballig> yeah
05:39:52 <Ballig> summons a dagger for 1 minute/level that does regular dagger damage, +1 cold damage
05:40:09 <Avatar> sort of like magic missile
05:40:11 <Ballig> no
05:40:12 <Avatar> except you roll to hit
05:40:15 <Ballig> nope
05:40:21 <Ballig> I didn't say it throws the dagger for you
05:40:24 <Ballig> it summons the dagger in your hand
05:40:28 <Ballig> you then use it like a regular dagger
05:40:29 <Avatar> yeah, you roll to hit
05:40:38 <Ballig> it's like drawing a dagger
05:40:44 <Ballig> except the dagger does +1 damage
05:40:51 <Avatar> = 1d4+1 damage
05:40:53 <Avatar> like magic missile !!
05:40:54 <Ballig> yeah
05:40:56 <Ballig> no
05:41:00 <Ballig> because it takes minimum two standard actions to use
05:41:06 <Ballig> magic missile is one standard action
05:41:13 <Avatar> yeah + burning a turn
05:41:19 <Avatar> what a terrible, terrible spell
05:41:34 <Avatar> it's not like you can say magic missile is overpowered either
05:41:38 <Ballig> so it's like magic missile except that you use an extra turn and have to roll melee attack against full AC so really it's like magic missile only because the damage is the same for the first couple of levels
05:41:39 <Ballig> :p
05:41:58 <Avatar> yeah
05:42:09 <Avatar> well I didn't want to overcomplicate things
05:42:16 <Ballig> I think all it really does is simulates having a +1 dagger before you could actually afford to buy a +1 dagger
05:42:18 <Ballig> but that's not really worth it
05:42:21 <Ballig> in part because daggers are shit
05:42:37 <Avatar> I guess it could be good if you are fighting something with DR/cold
05:42:46 <Ballig> it's only 1 cold damage
05:43:06 <Avatar> yeah it's a bad spell
05:43:16 <Avatar> maybe it could be used to threaten someone
05:43:24 <Ballig> so could drawing a dagger
05:43:29 <Ballig> at the cost of a movement action
05:43:46 <Avatar> yeah but taking action economy out of it
05:43:53 <Avatar> because maybe you can cast beforehand
05:44:06 <Ballig> I personally wouldn't even waste a sorcerer spell learning it, let alone a trait designed specifically to make the spell last twice as long
05:44:06 <Avatar> if you draw a dagger and I draw an icicle dagger, you will be slightly more fearful
05:44:32 <Wrothmonk> Think I found something.
05:44:35 <Wrothmonk> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shield
05:44:42 <Ballig> yeah shield is a good spell
05:44:52 <Ballig> but you want mage armour first
05:44:58 <Avatar> are you new to pathfinder/d&d Wrothmonk
05:45:34 <Wrothmonk> Kinda new to pathfinder, I've only played a few days worth of D&D a few years ago.
05:45:45 <Avatar> okay
05:45:48 <Ballig> it can take a while to get used to what a significant number is
05:46:04 <Avatar> always mage armor before shield
05:46:08 <Ballig> +4 shield AC is great, but 1 minute/level means you will have to cast it at the start of combat
05:46:16 <Ballig> mage armor gives the same AC, but lasts hours per level
05:46:22 <Wrothmonk> yeah found it.
05:46:24 <Ballig> meaning you can cast it significantly before combat
05:46:50 <Avatar> if you want a spell to cause damage, magic missile is probably the way to go
05:46:52 <Ballig> mage armour and physical armour don't stack, btw
05:47:00 <Ballig> I wouldn't go magic missile I don't think
05:47:05 <Ballig> I'd consider burning hands
05:47:05 <Avatar> but if you pick up a wand of it for 2 prestige after your first session, you get 50 charges on that wand
05:47:16 <Avatar> with any 1st level spell
05:47:37 <Avatar> if you don't want to run out of it, you will want a wand instead of relying on your casting
05:47:45 <Avatar> as a sorcerer you need to be careful with whatever you decide on
05:47:53 <Ballig> wand of magic missile is good
05:47:58 <Ballig> (don't get a wand of burning hands)
05:48:08 <Avatar> why not
05:48:11 <Ballig> DC
05:48:14 <Avatar> oh yeah
05:48:31 <Ballig> it makes wands of offensive spells generally not so great
05:48:34 <Wrothmonk> Anyway I've picked up mage armor.
05:48:46 <Wrothmonk> Replace icicle dagger.
05:49:24 <Ballig> how many level 1 spells can you learn
05:49:43 <Wrothmonk> 2
05:49:49 <Ballig> ouch
05:49:59 <Wrothmonk> I have Ki arrow as the other one.
05:50:21 <Ballig> mm
05:51:03 <Ballig> that's 1d3+2 damage
05:51:09 <Ballig> a magic missile would do more, and would hit automatically
05:51:10 <Wrothmonk> Quick question, what do you roll for casting ranged spells?
05:51:26 <Ballig> if it requires a ranged attack, it's 1d20+BAB+Dex
05:51:43 <Ballig> ki arrow is a regular ranged attack, means you have to hit their full AC
05:51:47 <Wrothmonk> K. I thought you may use spell craft.
05:51:58 <Ballig> better spells will be "ranged touch attack" meaning you are going against their touch AC
05:52:04 <Ballig> basically, you just have to touch them, not penetrate their armour
05:52:30 <Avatar> use magic missile as your comparison for everything
05:52:44 <Avatar> when you use magic missile all you do is roll damage and you definitely hit
05:52:55 <Ballig> but yeah like I said, ki arrow will do 1d3+2 damage /if/ you hit them with a regular ranged attack
05:53:13 <Avatar> almost nothing will ever have resistance to it, and the damage of it increases as you go up in level
05:53:19 <Ballig> the spell seems like it's made for monks or ninjas, someone who has an increased unarmed attack damage
05:53:36 <Wrothmonk> Yeah good point.
05:53:40 <Avatar> level 1 it does 1d4+1, level 3 it does 2d4+2, all the way up to level 9 doing 5d4+5
05:53:53 <Wrothmonk> although I thought magic missile was level 3
05:54:10 <Ballig> magic missile is level 1
05:54:18 <Avatar> you can tell if a spell is good by determining if it is better or worse than magic missile
05:54:46 <Ballig> also consider things like burning hands: it's only 1d4 damage, but that's per level (up to 5d4 at level 5 - compared to magic missile doing 3d4+4 at the same level), and it's a small area of effect directly in front of you
05:54:55 <Ballig> burning hands is pretty decent for a caster who do esn't mind getting near melee
06:20:23 <Ballig> duck duck goose
06:22:33 <Brunius> Ballig
06:22:45 <Ballig> brunio
06:22:46 <Brunius> What should I put in my WG EDH Token deck
06:23:14 <Ballig> felidar sovereign
06:23:31 <Brunius> why
06:23:40 <Ballig> because you can win if you have 40 or more life!
06:24:01 <Brunius> Seems like I could annoy some people if I drop a divine congregation after I'm done making tokens
06:24:28 <Ballig> I always liked verdant force
06:31:09 <Brunius> MincedSushi: I'm making a WG EDH Token deck.
06:31:13 <Brunius> Any suggestions?
06:31:32 <Ballig> mentor of the meek
06:31:54 <Brunius> Do I really want card draw though?
06:32:01 <Brunius> And will I have the spare mana for it
06:32:39 <Ballig> might not have the spare mana for it, the deck uses a fair few resources
06:32:40 <Brunius> Man
06:32:44 <Brunius> Sigil Captain
06:33:30 <Ballig> gauntlet of power !
06:33:34 <Brunius> I'm planning on having intangible virtue out though...
06:33:35 <Brunius> hmm
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06:35:23 <Brunius> Man, this down speed
06:35:25 <Brunius> 0.1kb/s
06:35:33 <Ballig> it's like dialup!
06:35:45 <Brunius> Faster than dialup
06:35:52 <Brunius> Trust me, I know T.T
06:36:10 <Brunius> Nah, dialup was probably slightly faster
06:36:18 <Brunius> Lucky I didn't try going on the internet that much
06:38:03 <Brunius> I don't think I even had access to a computer regularly at that point
06:38:27 <Ballig> I had dialup until I was 19
06:38:43 <Brunius> Fun
06:39:05 <Ballig> then I moved into a place with roommates in Brisbane, our landlord had cable but it was shared between three of us and it was a 3gb/month limit
06:39:30 <Ballig> my roommate and the landlord would download large movies in the first few days of the month, and the speed would be restricted to 28kbps for the rest of the month
06:39:38 <Brunius> Top story on reddit: Bill Gates wants to reinvent the toilet
06:39:42 <Brunius> Ha
06:39:46 <Ballig> literally half dialup speed, shared between three people. wouldn't even let me sign into MSN because MSN has a ping timeout that is too small
06:40:00 <Brunius> Sound like fun guys
06:40:01 <Ballig> I ended up getting my own ADSL
06:40:06 <Ballig> after a couple of months of that crap
06:40:12 <Wrothmonk> Where do I put down extraordinary abilities on my character sheet?
06:40:33 <Ballig> I'm all for the toilet being reinvented, it's pretty stagnant
06:41:21 <whitenoise> like backflipping over towers?
06:41:35 * whitenoise doesn't know how to fill out a character sheet.
06:41:48 <Wrothmonk> Nah. I'm making a draconic bloodline sorcerer.
06:41:54 <Wrothmonk> He can grow claws :D
06:41:56 <whitenoise> sweet
06:42:01 <Wrothmonk> ikr!
06:42:03 <whitenoise> gave up on your ranger?
06:42:10 <Niel> :<
06:42:11 <whitenoise> or you were just inspired by my boss list?
06:42:18 <Wrothmonk> Nah. Rangers are still cool.
06:42:48 <Wrothmonk> I just got looking through the classes and I just had to have a draconic sorcerer.
06:43:09 <Brunius> Is it bad that I'm considering buying the real world equivalents of DayZ backpacks
06:43:28 <Ballig> yes
06:43:39 <Wrothmonk> I'm also going to make him a dragon disciple.
06:43:54 <Brunius> Why
06:44:01 <Brunius> the $40 one can carry two assault rifles
06:44:50 <Ballig> how many assault rifles do you have
06:44:56 <Brunius> ...none
06:45:24 <Avatar> zzzz
06:45:28 <Ballig> so really you could carry all the assault rifles you own in your pants pockets
06:45:29 <Wrothmonk> Hi avatar.
06:45:34 <Wrothmonk> Ty for the chronicle sheet.
06:45:34 <Brunius> Yeah
06:46:11 <Avatar> whitenoise have you got a character ready for PFS yet
07:05:50 <Wrothmonk> quick question, do you just add your BAB for attack rolls with spells?
07:06:07 <Ballig> plus the relevant stat (strength or dex, for melee or ranged)
07:06:26 <Ballig> so a spell that requires a melee touch attack will be 1d20 + BAB + str mod
07:06:47 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok. Thought that might be it. Didn't make much sense for just BAB to be added.
07:06:50 <Ballig> on the bright side, it's usually much easier to hit with a touch attack than a regular melee attack, because it ignores all the opponent's physical armour
07:17:02 <Wrothmonk> ok when it says bonus feats, that means I don't need the prerequisites to get it right? I just have it automatically.
07:17:13 <Ballig> for which class
07:17:35 <Wrothmonk> Sorcerer, specifically draconic bloodline.
07:18:25 <Ballig> no
07:18:34 <Ballig> each time you get "bloodline feat" on the sorcerer class table, you get to choose from that list
07:18:38 <Ballig> but you have to meet the prerequisites
07:18:48 <Ballig> At 7th level, and every six levels thereafter, a sorcerer
07:18:48 <Ballig> receives one bonus feat, chosen from a list specif ic to each
07:18:49 <Ballig> bloodline. The sorcerer must meet the prerequisites for
07:18:49 <Ballig> these bonus feats.
07:19:18 <Brunius> I hate the governments stupid sites
07:19:27 <Wrothmonk> Ah thanks, missed that.
07:19:39 <Ballig> so you're only going to end up being able to c hoose 3 of those feats over the course of 19 levels
07:19:48 <Ballig> unless you take one or more of them in your regular feat selection
07:21:26 <Brunius> Okay, two sites now have said I don't need to pay customs unless the value is over $1000
07:21:28 <Brunius> So it's all OK
07:21:49 <Ballig> some places put "gift" as the description so you avoid customs anyway
07:22:27 <Wrothmonk> Ok what about eschew materials?
07:22:59 <Ballig> it's specifically listed on the class table, so you get it
07:23:05 <Ballig> and there are no pre-requisites for it
07:23:11 <Wrothmonk> K
07:23:56 <Avatar> was there a guy named war wrecker who played in here
07:24:00 <Brunius> Yeah
07:24:04 <Brunius> Talked to Spaceshot
07:24:08 <Avatar> I just played against him in awesomenauts
07:24:09 <Brunius> Went to Uni at Monash
07:24:10 <Avatar> at random
07:24:20 <Avatar> unless there's more than one war wrecker
07:27:15 <Avatar> brunius what do you think are the chances of finding a premade for DnDN
07:27:26 <whitenoise> Avatar: I have not. I'm building an Archer Bard.
07:27:27 <Avatar> I'm thinking maybe we should cancel it while only really kapow has signed up
07:27:50 <whitenoise> Avatar: I am swamped with work. During the week I pretty much can't do anything.
07:29:27 <Avatar> ok I'll just give you a mostly blank chronicle sheet with just the essentials filled in
07:37:03 <Wrothmonk> Ok if my character is not proficient with any armor, does that mean he cannot wear any?
07:38:17 <Ballig> he can, but if he does he takes the armour check penalty to his attack rolls
07:38:27 <Ballig> also if he casts arcane spells, most armour has an arcane spell failure rate
07:38:32 <Ballig> a percentage of your spells will fail to cast
07:41:32 <Wrothmonk> Wait, so if a character is proficient with armor, he never takes a AC penalty to his attack rolls?
07:42:01 <Wrothmonk> If he is wearing the armor he is proficient in that is.
07:44:42 <Brunius> Reschedule it for Saturday week at least
07:44:50 <Brunius> Or put it on "LFP" status
07:44:53 <Niel> Yes
07:44:56 <Niel> That's right
07:45:12 <Niel> And it will be the armor check penalty to attack not ac
07:46:46 <Niel> For example studed leather has a check penalty of -1... Let's say you're a sorceror that will be a -1 to attack but for a bard it would only be a -1 to certain skills
07:47:21 <Wrothmonk> Like climb or stealth.
07:47:29 <Niel> Yes
07:47:37 <Niel> Generally things that are pysical based
07:47:50 <Niel> the char sheet should have little markings next to the ones that apply
07:47:58 <Wrothmonk> hmm ok then.
07:48:10 <Niel> Swim takes double the check penalty I think
07:48:53 <Brunius> (Looking for players)
07:49:00 <Brunius> I've got a campaign for the last version
07:49:04 <Brunius> So should be ok there
07:49:05 <Brunius> Night guys
07:50:03 <Niel> I see now you're making a sorc :D There is one armor that is no check penalty no spell failure
07:50:11 <Niel> but it's only a +1ac
07:50:34 <Wrothmonk> Isn't that not from the core books though? I thought you could only use stuff from the core rule books in PFS
07:50:46 <Niel> It's in the expanded you can use it
07:50:58 <Wrothmonk> Cool.
07:51:33 <Niel> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
07:51:36 <Niel> The full list
07:51:45 <Niel> cross reference it if you have something in mind
07:53:20 <Wrothmonk> Thanks.
07:53:34 <Niel> <3
07:54:07 <Niel> So what's your experience with tabletops? You seem to have some.
07:55:53 <Wrothmonk> Actually I don't have much. The only tabletop RPG I have physically played is an extreme alteration of D&D rules thats set in the future. That was a few years ago.
07:56:23 <Niel> What a way to start!
07:58:05 <Avatar> whitenoise you should get an IRC client
07:58:10 <Avatar> www.mirc.com/get.html
07:58:18 <Niel> Avatar and his mirc
07:58:20 <Niel> -_-
07:58:25 <Avatar> what
07:58:29 <Niel> I still like my browser better
07:58:37 <Niel> autojoining and connecting was much easier
07:58:45 <Avatar> your browser won't let you receive chronicle sheets
07:59:11 <Niel> Hence why I have mirc and still using it
07:59:19 <Wrothmonk> Actually I have a client that allows auto connects.
07:59:28 <Avatar> mirc allows auto connects
07:59:36 <Niel> I used to use xfire when Iw as on linux
07:59:44 <Niel> surprised the windows version is pay :I
07:59:50 <whitenoise> Avatar: I have an irc client, I just don't use it for here.
07:59:58 <Avatar> time to start :P
08:00:00 <Wrothmonk> Why not?
08:00:04 <Avatar> I'll get you your sheet later, I'm running super late for work
08:00:05 <Niel> Mirc is giving me problems iwth autoconnects
08:00:15 <Avatar> it'sr eady to send but mibbit can't accept transfers
08:00:23 <whitenoise> ah
08:00:30 <whitenoise> well
08:00:46 <whitenoise> the other client is use often is irssi, which I wouldn't have DCC configured on anyway
08:00:47 <Avatar> gotta run
08:00:50 <whitenoise> I do also have Xchat on this machine, though
08:01:08 <whitenoise> but its configured to use a proxy chain
08:01:12 <whitenoise> which DCC won't work with.
08:01:14 <whitenoise> I can disable it, though.
08:01:36 <Niel> Fancy~
08:01:40 <Wrothmonk> Whats a proxy chain?
08:01:40 <whitenoise> yuh
08:01:44 <whitenoise> a chain of proxies.
08:01:56 <whitenoise> in short, it runs my connection through several other countries before connecting to the server.
08:01:59 <Niel> Proxy chain = overcautious
08:02:17 <whitenoise> I have a private VPN configured just for anonymity.
08:02:21 <whitenoise> VPS, sorry.
08:02:25 <whitenoise> which does have a VPN.
08:02:40 <Wrothmonk> VPS?
08:02:41 <whitenoise> and in short.
08:02:47 <whitenoise> that is why I just use Mibbit for this place.
08:02:50 <whitenoise> i don't want to bother with my setups
08:03:14 <whitenoise> Wrothmonk: virtual private server
08:03:20 <whitenoise> Wrothmonk: vpn is virtual private network
08:03:30 <Wrothmonk> Ahuh...
08:03:44 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I'm thinking thats a tad overkill :)
08:03:52 <Wrothmonk> ;)*
08:03:54 <whitenoise> you wouldn't if you were me
08:03:54 <Wrothmonk> :)
08:03:58 <Wrothmonk> ;)
08:03:58 <whitenoise> :P
08:06:11 <Niel> Curiosity has me wantign to knwo who would tunnel through so many rpoxies to try xD
08:06:17 <Niel> But I will elave it at that
08:08:24 <whitenoise> hehe
08:08:42 <whitenoise> it's always hard to refrain from telling people too much, just because I enjoy it all so.
08:09:18 <Niel> ^
08:09:22 <Niel> I know that feeling
08:09:27 <Niel> All to well
08:09:34 <Wrothmonk> Quick question, what does Con do when it has a negative mod?
08:09:41 <Niel> Just have to enjoy it on the inside
08:10:01 <Niel> It takes away that many health each level
08:10:08 <whitenoise> that's harsh.
08:10:16 <Niel> so if you were gaining 6 health that level witha -1 mod
08:10:20 <Niel> it would then be 5
08:10:32 <Niel> Neg conis kind of a big deal xD
08:10:37 <Wrothmonk> Don't want that then.
08:10:42 <whitenoise> and your char would be a glass cannon.
08:10:46 <whitenoise> hit once, dead.
08:10:51 <Niel> A few mods you cna dow itha neg... Con is generally not one of them
08:11:08 <croatianboy> have u ever wonderded if your mum ever kissed u goodnight after giving your dad a blow job?
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08:11:13 <croatianboy> ddddddddddd nnn ddddddddddddddddddddd
08:11:32 <Avatar-> :o)
08:11:52 <Niel> Although I never looke dup the rule for neg dex so i couldn't help you there
08:11:57 <Niel> Never seen anyone try it
08:12:43 <Wrothmonk> Well if you have 0 in Dex your immobile.
08:12:45 <whitenoise> i'm supposed to be migrating a server, so i'm going to peel myself away from this discussion.
08:12:56 * whitenoise tries hard
08:13:01 <Niel> kay
08:13:12 <whitenoise> i'm a total dnd addict now
08:13:19 <whitenoise> any spare time i get, i read over rules and classes and builds and whatnot
08:13:34 <Wrothmonk> I don't see any rules about negative dex in the core rulebook.
08:13:35 <Avatar-> good show
08:13:41 <Niel> Also i know that -dex effects ac I don't know why I thought I didn't
08:13:59 <Niel> Look at many of the monsters and it becomes evident
08:14:06 * Wrothmonk claps and chants "One of us, one of us."
08:14:21 <Avatar-> neg dex means you're immobile I think
08:14:29 <Niel> neg meaning neg mod
08:14:35 <Niel> so lets say 8 dex
08:14:39 <Avatar-> oh
08:15:00 <Avatar-> that's just a penalty instead of bonuses
08:15:04 <Wrothmonk> Withought armor you would have an AC of 9
08:15:12 <Niel> I was thinking about it and I never actually read the rule on it so I was unsure unitl I remember monster stat blocks
08:15:17 <Avatar-> yeah
08:15:34 <Niel> I've never seena player take a neg in dex :/
08:15:37 <Wrothmonk> You would have a negative reflex save...
08:15:50 <Wrothmonk> Withought a base reflex save that is.
08:15:53 <Niel> Most liekly
08:15:56 <Avatar-> there's a pegeen with negative dex I think
08:16:07 <Avatar-> pregen
08:16:07 <Niel> And anything that gets reflex as a save would likely want dex
08:16:21 <Niel> What pregen is this 0_o
08:16:25 <Niel> That's fucked up
08:16:31 <Wrothmonk> wait what.
08:16:39 <Avatar-> kyra the cleric
08:16:43 <Avatar-> I think
08:16:45 <Niel> xD
08:16:48 <Niel> Damnit Kyra
08:16:49 <Wrothmonk> a pigeon with negative dec?
08:16:54 <Niel> that's why you always die
08:16:56 <Wrothmonk> Isn't that used for fly?
08:17:07 <Niel> Have you ever seen a pidgeon fly?
08:17:07 <Wrothmonk> dex*
08:17:09 <Avatar-> having the healer act last makes some sense
08:17:13 <Niel> They deffinatly have neg dex
08:17:20 <Wrothmonk> Lol.
08:17:23 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
08:17:40 <Wrothmonk> almost 0 in wisdom as well if your talking about city pigeons
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08:18:16 <Wrothmonk> Hell every stat for them in the city has a neg mod.
08:18:35 <Rymen13> hello
08:18:48 <Avatar-> rymen where have you been
08:18:50 <Niel> Yea... pidgeons are pretty useless
08:19:03 <Avatar-> one would think you don't want a chronicle sheet
08:19:04 <Rymen13> it says ive been banned at times
08:19:10 <Niel> Not even good meat like other useless birds
08:19:22 <Rymen13> when logging in
08:19:24 <Avatar-> message us if that happens
08:19:29 <Rymen13> ok will do
08:19:36 <Avatar-> banned from austnet?
08:19:43 <Rymen13> it goes off and on yah
08:19:49 <Avatar-> or banned from #D&D?
08:19:54 <Rymen13> sometimes it goes thru sometime not
08:20:04 <Rymen13> austnet
08:20:34 <Avatar-> are you on MSN
08:20:38 <Niel> Someone hates you
08:20:42 <Avatar-> out google talk
08:20:45 <Avatar-> or
08:20:52 <Wrothmonk> oh dammit.
08:20:54 <Rymen13> ahh google talk
08:20:57 <Niel> ??
08:21:03 <Niel> What's wrong Wroth?
08:21:21 <Rymen13> i have that
08:21:24 <Rymen13> ok
08:21:29 <Wrothmonk> Niel I thought you said there was a legal armor set withought an arcane failure chance!
08:21:40 <Niel> there is
08:21:54 <Wrothmonk> Whats it called?
08:21:59 <Avatar-> I don't keep Skype open all the time, but gtalk stays open
08:22:13 <Avatar-> there is
08:22:15 <Niel> Haramaki
08:22:16 <Avatar-> haramaki
08:22:30 <Niel> or cerimonial vest
08:22:33 <Avatar-> ultimate combat
08:22:38 <Rymen13> im on and added you
08:22:51 <Avatar-> is ceremonial vest legal
08:22:55 <Rymen13> ultimate combat how is that book
08:22:56 <Niel> Yep
08:23:02 <Avatar-> sounds like gladiator armour
08:23:02 <Niel> A great book!
08:23:12 <Niel> It's the one right below haramaki]
08:23:17 <Niel> it costs more and is the same thing
08:23:23 <Niel> just an apearence thing
08:23:28 <Rymen13> i want it sooo bad i just cant afford all the books they have
08:23:31 <Avatar-> or possibly worthless enough to be overlooked :p
08:23:36 <Niel> ^
08:23:45 <Avatar-> they just had a sale
08:23:56 <Avatar-> ended like yesterday
08:24:01 <Niel> Amazon? 26$ for a hard copy is amazing
08:24:04 <Rymen13> awww
08:24:12 <Wrothmonk> Odd. I can't find any armor called haramaki on the database...
08:24:12 <Avatar-> yeah Amazon is good
08:24:17 <Rymen13> i use pdfs though
08:24:29 <Avatar-> it's definitely there
08:24:32 <Avatar-> eastern armour
08:24:39 <Niel> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/eastern-armor-and-shields
08:24:41 <Hydrazine> G'day.
08:24:43 <Rymen13> no one in my area does pf so
08:24:53 <Avatar-> almost at work
08:24:57 <Avatar-> have a good one yo
08:25:08 <Niel> That also has the ceremonial armor and you'll see why most people overlook it for haramaki
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08:25:20 <Hydrazine> You knocking out questions, Avatar?
08:25:41 <Wrothmonk> Oh i was just looking in the normal armor...
08:25:41 <Niel> HE was helping :D
08:25:46 <Rymen13> darn he left
08:26:07 <Hydrazine> Oh.
08:26:13 <Niel> But the haramaki's weight also means you can take a 7 str on a wizard or sorc
08:26:13 <Hydrazine> But I'm here.
08:26:16 <Hydrazine> I murder questions.
08:27:02 <Wrothmonk> Ehhh I'm actually putting points into Str on my sorcerer. I want to slash stuff with claws :D
08:27:13 <Niel> Good :D
08:27:27 <Niel> I like me some melle sorc and go eldritch knight personally
08:27:44 <Niel> But that's a thing for me
08:27:48 <Wrothmonk> I'm going dragon disciple.
08:27:53 <Niel> <3
08:27:58 <Niel> love that prestige
08:28:02 <Niel> so much~
08:28:04 <Wrothmonk> I. Like. Dragons.
08:28:06 <Hydrazine> Haramaki? 1 pound?
08:28:15 <Niel> Yep Hydra
08:28:21 <Wrothmonk> 3gp damn.
08:28:34 <Niel> You'll like Worth
08:28:34 <Hydrazine> If you can't afford to lose 1lb somewhere, well..
08:28:37 <Wrothmonk> Now thats a /ton/ of money
08:28:39 <Niel> He's a dragon barbarian
08:28:40 <Hydrazine> I guess I don't know what to say.
08:28:45 <Hydrazine> Worth is cool.
08:28:45 <Niel> dragon totem*
08:29:02 <Hydrazine> Hoku's not a dragon anything, but he could probably wrestle one?
08:29:08 <Niel> Your cary wieight is like 24lbs for 7 str
08:29:18 <Niel> Hoku could. Like a baus
08:29:22 <Hydrazine> 23 or less.
08:29:26 <Hydrazine> for light.
08:29:28 <Niel> There you go
08:29:33 <Niel> I was close
08:29:39 <Niel> not bad for the top of memory
08:30:08 <Hydrazine> Which means.. clothes, armor, book, and a weapon, and thats pretty much it.
08:30:19 <Hydrazine> Hope someone else packs the misc. supplies.
08:30:40 <Hydrazine> Hey Niel, did you know there actually isn't a size limitation for grappling?
08:30:43 <Hydrazine> Just grab.
08:30:53 <whitenoise> can we do half-races?
08:30:58 <Niel> As a wizard I have a haramaki, belt pouch spell component pouch spellbook and travelrs journal with inks and various things
08:31:03 <whitenoise> like, I know a guy playing a 4th-edition campaign that is a Elf-Dragon
08:31:06 <whitenoise> half-elf, half-dragon
08:31:17 <Niel> Sadly templates are a no go
08:31:23 <Wrothmonk> Thats going to be my sorcerer once he gets dragon disciple :p
08:31:30 <Niel> But there are certain half races available
08:31:35 <whitenoise> Wrothmonk: you're making the sorcerer before your ranger?
08:32:09 <Wrothmonk> Well you know how I was going to add sorcerer to my ranger so he could be a arcane archer?
08:32:22 <Niel> I still want to play a slyph so badly~
08:32:29 <Wrothmonk> I was looking through the sorcerer stuff and well…
08:32:46 <Rymen13> anybody have a pdf of ultimate combat that i could look at? wait is there a way to share without downloading like lending?
08:32:46 <Wrothmonk> I decided to just do a sorcerer/dragon disciple.
08:33:05 <Niel> Rymen, not really
08:33:05 <Rymen13> just was wondering so im not breaking rules
08:33:11 <Niel> but here
08:33:18 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/
08:33:23 <Niel> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
08:33:36 <Hydrazine> Note the ultimate combat section
08:33:45 <Niel> Hydra that works too
08:33:59 <Niel> Stealing my helpist
08:34:05 <Rymen13> nice thanks why do they do that lol
08:34:23 <Wrothmonk> I need to start making a folder for pathfinder reference stuff. I'm just getting to many links!
08:34:29 <Hydrazine> Do what?
08:34:29 <Niel> lol
08:34:32 <Hydrazine> Post it up online?
08:34:45 * Wrothmonk Doesn't believe in buying things after the internet.
08:34:47 <Niel> I would imagine the pfsrds are for quick references
08:35:09 <Rymen13> ohh sorry mispelled the ultimate equipment
08:35:13 <Hydrazine> Because they've said that they want the information to be available for people to run games
08:35:24 <Rymen13> see thats not there
08:35:39 <Niel> UE isn't out yet is it?
08:35:51 <Niel> I think that's spetember release
08:35:54 <Wrothmonk> And thus how I am being a successful player withought buying a single thing :D
08:36:04 <Niel> xD
08:36:05 <Hydrazine> there is no ultimate equipment out.
08:36:06 <Rymen13> ohh lol
08:36:14 <Niel> UIt's nice to own har copies imo
08:36:56 <Rymen13> but i am looking for blood of angels stuff to build an aaismar
08:37:02 <Rymen13> too
08:37:10 <Rymen13> is that srd?
08:37:27 <Rymen13> i dont think so though
08:37:31 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ includes alot of various books.
08:37:56 <Niel> But to play it in pfs a dm might make you prove you own it if they're a dick
08:38:28 <Rymen13> ok thanks
08:38:56 <Hydrazine> I don't think thats so anymore, Niel.
08:39:20 <Hydrazine> I think with the new edition, printouts from the SRD covering everything necessary is sufficient now.
08:39:31 <Niel> I did not know that
08:39:38 <Niel> I only knew the ruling from last month
08:40:00 <Hydrazine> I might be wrong.
08:40:04 <Niel> need to do my homework on the new stuff xD
08:40:09 <Niel> Nah probably not
08:40:19 <Niel> PFS has been going toward open play
08:40:22 <Hydrazine> Got a synthesist, master summoner, or vivisectionist?
08:40:33 <Niel> and with 5th ed coming out soon they don't want to push anyone away
08:43:45 <Wrothmonk> I just realized something...
08:44:10 <Niel> ??
08:44:36 <Wrothmonk> My sorcerer would do more damage with a longbow than my own ranger...
08:44:39 <Hydrazine> Just checked. Yes, printouts from the SRD are legal.
08:44:45 <Wrothmonk> Wait no
08:44:48 <Niel> Thanks Hydra
08:44:50 <Hydrazine> Because your ranger has no str?
08:44:53 <Niel> that makes thigns eay on me xD
08:45:03 <Wrothmonk> He would do more damage than any of his cantrips
08:45:09 <Niel> I've bought so many shitty supplements I'm glad I don't ahve to buy more
08:45:35 <Niel> Gravity bow
08:45:38 <Niel> ftw
08:46:06 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I think i may need to juggle some stats around on my ranger to use a composite bow.
08:46:13 * Hydrazine nods.
08:46:28 <Hydrazine> I agree that having more str would increase your offensive power.
08:46:30 <Niel> Cha dumpstat?
08:46:30 <whitenoise> going home, dudes.
08:46:37 <Hydrazine> But do consider what you'd lose to do so.
08:46:37 <Niel> Have fun White
08:46:45 <whitenoise> see you all in a bit, so we can work on my bard :)
08:47:00 <Niel> I love bard so much...
08:47:09 <Hydrazine> I miss Jerus, Niel.
08:47:10 <whitenoise> Niel: ranged or melee?
08:47:26 * whitenoise is feeling ranged, but is open to the melee possibility.
08:47:53 <whitenoise> i also don't know how to fill out the finer pieces of the character sheet, so you guys will have to help me on some just noob questions.
08:47:59 <Wrothmonk> Why the hell did I put so many points into int...
08:48:04 * Wrothmonk slaps forehead
08:48:06 <Hydrazine> first character?
08:48:15 <Niel> Bard is one of those ones that can go both
08:48:15 <whitenoise> Hydrazine: yes
08:48:17 <Wrothmonk> Yup.
08:48:24 <Hydrazine> Exactly.
08:48:25 <Niel> I prefer melee but ranged works too
08:48:36 <whitenoise> Niel: then we'll talk about your melee preference
08:48:45 <whitenoise> if i go melee, i want to go dragon disciple, i think
08:48:47 <Hydrazine> Perfectly natural to not quite have a first character as refined as you want.
08:49:06 <Hydrazine> My first PFS character is a great example.
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08:49:15 <Hydrazine> I still have the option to tweak him, thankfully.
08:49:29 <Hydrazine> I'm thinking, do I really NEED 13 skill points?
08:49:31 <Niel> Hmm melee needs at least a 16 str
08:49:38 <Niel> and a twohanded weapon
08:49:50 <Hydrazine> why, Niel?
08:50:09 <Niel> you won't have a lot of bar options so much as you are a battle herald.
08:50:20 <Niel> Hydra: My build of melee bar anyway
08:50:35 <Niel> my "d" key is annoying -_-
08:50:44 <Hydrazine> Honestly I'm starting to think, unless you're doing polearms or specific 2h fighter, 1 handed weapons win out overall.
08:50:57 <Hydrazine> Most of the damage comes from modifiers, not the dice.
08:51:16 <Hydrazine> And you can always swing a one handed weapon with both when you have the opportunity, and switch to just one when you don't.
08:51:19 <Niel> twohanded weapons is str 1 1/2
08:51:30 <Hydrazine> So is a longsword swung two handed.
08:51:44 <Niel> so for someone who needs the damage greatsword really does help
08:51:53 <Niel> or greatax
08:51:56 <Hydrazine> For how many levels?
08:52:03 <Niel> first 8 or so
08:52:11 <Niel> after that it does become moot
08:52:22 <Hydrazine> I think it gets moot much earlier.
08:52:27 <Niel> really?
08:52:39 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d10+15
08:52:39 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d10+15: [1d10=9] 24
08:52:43 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d8+15
08:52:44 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d8+15: [1d8=6] 21
08:53:05 <Niel> !throw 2d6+115
08:53:05 <diebot> Niel, 2d6+115: [2d6=1,4] 120
08:53:08 <Niel> !throw 2d6+15
08:53:08 <diebot> Niel, 2d6+15: [2d6=5,4] 24
08:53:15 <Niel> !throw 2d6+15
08:53:15 <diebot> Niel, 2d6+15: [2d6=1,1] 17
08:53:34 <Hydrazine> See? once the modifier is bigger than the max die roll..
08:53:37 <Niel> On average you'll roll better with two dice xD
08:53:54 <Hydrazine> I pulled 15 as a number from a level 5 high str fighter.
08:54:07 <Niel> but I do more than that on worth
08:54:22 <Niel> and he runs his str as an 18
08:54:30 <Hydrazine> Hes a barbarian.
08:54:39 <Niel> So?
08:54:43 <Niel> What does that giv eme?
08:54:46 <Niel> the 18str
08:54:49 <Niel> That's it
08:55:02 <Hydrazine> Thought you meant 18 before rage.
08:55:07 <Niel> my base stat is 16
08:55:17 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d12+16
08:55:17 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d12+16: [1d12=3] 19
08:55:22 <Niel> And I split my 4 stats from controleed rage +2str +2dex
08:55:27 <Hydrazine> Ah.
08:56:37 <Niel> So it turns out to be 2d6+6+9+1 when I really want to powerattack
08:56:40 <Niel> Which is often
08:56:52 <Niel> Since on average I hit shit gooder
08:57:58 <Hydrazine> Still, I'm of the opinion that rather early in, the difference between a 1d8 weapon and even a 2d6 weapon with the same modifier, isn't worth the loss of options you have with a one handed weapon.
08:58:38 <Niel> I never ntoice a loss of options since dropping a wepon is a freea ction
08:59:09 <Hydrazine> ever done a fight while climbing?
08:59:17 <Niel> and as long as my ac is 16+ at character creation I consider myself good
08:59:21 <Niel> I have
08:59:33 <Niel> I bite :D
08:59:37 <Niel> Harder
08:59:41 <Hydrazine> Dork.
08:59:48 <Niel> ^^
09:00:33 <Niel> in all fariness I always keep options availble for these situations.
09:00:53 <Niel> Sometimes it's a springloaded dagger
09:00:59 <Niel> but there's always something
09:01:18 <Niel> and in the case of the bard I often took quickdraw
09:03:27 <Wrothmonk> Ok refitted my stats for my ranger now. I won't be getting a composite bow though because ATM I don't have enough money to give it a strength rating.
09:03:43 <Niel> That happens
09:03:50 <Niel> But when you do it's nice~
09:05:58 <Hydrazine> Fair enough.
09:06:05 <Hydrazine> You'll get one soon.
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09:06:45 <Wrothmonk> Wait… I think I did some miscalculations...
09:07:13 <Niel> ??
09:08:02 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I got into a fight climbing with Jerus once, and it was.. troublesome.
09:10:49 <Niel> I do agree with you though that the twohand weapon to one hand wepon falls off though. It's jsut about when and why.
09:11:29 <Niel> My last melee bard was a halforc with mini war drums on his belt that he beat out before a fight
09:12:20 <Niel> He'd rush in witha single levle of barbarian for the rage and make things cry with lingering performance feat
09:14:34 <Wrothmonk> ok I made a minor mistake.
09:14:51 <Wrothmonk> I can afford a masterwork composite bow with a 4 strength rating.
09:15:10 <Niel> 0_o
09:15:12 <Niel> how?
09:15:30 <Niel> That's 1000+ isn't it?
09:15:54 <Wrothmonk> Nope.
09:17:00 <Hydrazine> ..Pretty sure it is.
09:17:07 <Hydrazine> Or alot, anyway.
09:17:15 <Wrothmonk> 650 gold pieces.
09:17:16 <Hydrazine> do you have that much str now?
09:17:32 <Niel> masterwork itse;f is 350
09:17:53 <Wrothmonk> Not in the rule book I read :/
09:18:31 <Hydrazine> The masterwork quality adds 300 gp to the cost of a normal weapon (or 6 gp to the cost of a single unit of ammunition). Adding the masterwork quality to a double weapon costs twice the normal increase (+600 gp).
09:18:40 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons
09:19:09 <Wrothmonk> oh… I thought for sure it was 350...
09:19:14 <Hydrazine> So a MW comp longbow with +4 str mod is... 300mw+100base+400str=800gp.
09:19:17 <Wrothmonk> 150*
09:19:56 <Wrothmonk> Well there goes my masterwork rapier… I couldn't have afforded it.
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09:20:18 <Steven> herro
09:20:39 <Wrothmonk> Wait a second… If I refund the money from making my rapier masterwork since I got it wrong….
09:20:53 <Niel> yesh~
09:21:01 <Wrothmonk> I can afford the bow!
09:21:04 <Steven> so hows it goin bloaks?
09:21:18 <Steven> how did you make it wrong?
09:21:42 <Wrothmonk> I thought it was 150gp added to the cost to make a weapon masterwork.
09:21:43 <Hydrazine> hey Steve.
09:22:03 Niel is now known as MincedSushi
09:22:05 <Steven> howdy hydra
09:23:04 <Steven> im making a sen triplets EDH deck at the moment, not having the greatest luck
09:25:08 <Hydrazine> Riiiight.
09:26:07 <Steven> im lacking inspiration for janky combos
09:26:24 <Steven> so, whats goin on with you?
09:26:53 <Wrothmonk> Ok quick question, can I add a strength rating to a composite bow after I buy it later on?
09:27:54 <MincedSushi> Sadly not
09:28:10 <MincedSushi> It's a part of the crafting componenet
09:28:19 <Wrothmonk> Crap.
09:28:19 <Wrothmonk> oh damn.
09:28:32 <Wrothmonk> I just realized that I set up my stats wrong anyway.
09:29:36 <Hydrazine> its normal to start without a comp bow.
09:30:00 <Wrothmonk> oh wait no, forgot about the elf bonuses.
09:30:23 <Steven> wroth are you okay? you seem to be in a spot of bother
09:30:41 <Hydrazine> Excuse me, sir! Do you require assistance?
09:30:50 <Wrothmonk> I seem to be a bit disorientated...
09:32:39 <Wrothmonk> Don't know why :/
09:36:34 <Wrothmonk> Either I am consistently misreading costs for stuff or I'm having a brain fart with my math skills.
09:39:16 <Hydrazine> Well, the bright side is, its easiest to fix with level 1s.
09:39:29 <Wrothmonk> Yup.
09:40:09 <Steven> and you have a room of people able to help
09:40:35 <Hydrazine> And Steven's here too!
09:40:48 <Steven> thats really more of a negative...
09:41:04 <Wrothmonk> lol.
09:41:14 <MincedSushi> It truely is
09:41:25 <Steven> silence you!
09:42:30 <Wrothmonk> Ok I have gotten everything sorted out.
09:42:38 <Steven> are you sure?
09:42:41 <Wrothmonk> Except for re-calculating my weight capacity.
09:43:31 <Wrothmonk> Certain. I have re-checked my math for buying the bow, and point spending twice.
09:44:50 <Wrothmonk> To give you an idea on the stat changes my light load is now what used to be the max on my medium load :p
09:47:07 <Steven> so im thinking alchemist4/something else, get 4 arms, 4 spring loaded wrist sheaths and just go crazy lol
09:47:55 <Wrothmonk> I've gone down an AC by one but completely worth it.
09:49:56 <Steven> maybe alchemist4/sorc3/Something else 5
09:50:44 <Wrothmonk> How do you get an alchemist with four arms?
09:51:04 <Steven> discoveries
09:54:10 <Wrothmonk> All I see is Tentacle
09:54:22 <Wrothmonk> That only allows you to grow one limb.
09:54:42 <Wrothmonk> oooooh...
09:54:43 <Steven> i suggest you check again, theres one that gives an aditional arm
09:54:59 <Wrothmonk> Tentacle and Vestigial Arm.
09:55:22 <Wrothmonk> and can take it up to two times...
09:55:39 <Wrothmonk> Get a tentacle as well as four arms :P
09:56:00 <Steven> nah...
09:57:07 <Hydrazine> I thought it wasn't good for much though.
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23:59:27 <Mekkis> Brunius, in my experience, they put "miniatures" in there, valued at ~$100, and I don't need to pay
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