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09:21 <Nothing\> fucking dentists
09:29 <Nothing\> always scamming my insurance
09:40 <Nothing\> then trying to gaslight me into thinking it's my problem
09:41 <watcher> why?
09:44 <Nothing\> er my fault
10:04 <Nothing\> watcher, well first off, the over 1 dozen fillings i've had that have fallen out within 3 months
10:23 <Nothing\> and second and most damning, a crown i've had for less than a year just fell out
10:32 <Nothing\> crowns are supposed to last decades
10:36 <Nothing\> not 6 months
11:03 <Nothing\> and he's trying to tell me it's because i'm not getting cleanings
11:08 <Nothing\> or i'm not brushing enough
11:19 <Nothing\> (i always thought twice a day was the recommended standard)
11:30 <Nothing\> or i'm not flossing enough
11:41 <Nothing\> which once a day is more than i think most people bother to floss
12:39 <Nothing\> if he tries to charge me to replace this crown i'm gonna file a formal complaint against him with the royal college of dentists, who oversee the conduct and standards of dentists here
12:51 <rust_collector> have you thought about moving to montana?
13:00 <Nothing\> i'm also gonna call my insurance and tell them not to accept any paperwork from him because he hasn't done his job
13:08 <Nothing\> rust_collector, man i would love to
13:12 <Nothing\> well i dunno
13:57 <Nothing\> i mean, i love the US for their beautiful cities, their lives of abundance, the american dream (if it's not a pipedream), all that schmultzy stuff
14:39 <rust_collector> what beautiful city? heh
15:18 <Nothing\> but at the same time, i'm genuinely grateful i'm not an american because i would be homeless from being unable to work and them having inadequate social services, bankrupted several times over by my health problems and no insurance, and in prison from their corrupted judicial system and my penchant for being on the wrong side of said system
15:40 <Nothing\> rust_collector, any of them
15:49 <Nothing\> nice, big, sprawling metropolii
15:59 <Nothing\> lush green spaces
16:10 <Nothing\> more healthcare than i have in this city
16:16 <Nothing\> even if i can't afford it
16:37 <rust_collector> eew. I hate cities. I really feel like getting away every time I am in one. but ok, I have never been in one of the awesome american cities
16:47 <Nothing\> i love them
16:55 <Nothing\> but mine's a shithole
17:06 <Nothing\> nobody has any pride in their houses or properties
17:10 <Nothing\> everything's gone to shit
17:31 <Nothing\> nobody wants to go downtown because of crime and dilapedated and abandoned stores
17:41 <watcher> but rust_collector are your nearest neabers not 500m from your house?
17:45 <watcher> or so
17:55 <Nothing\> our city had to set up a special taskforce just for downtown
18:00 <rust_collector> I do not think that is a special thing for your city.
18:25 <Nothing\> to deal with the problems of crime, graffitti and people sleeping/urinating in the doorways for the stores
18:28 <rust_collector> watcher I live in a pretty tight area. neighbors house is around 10m from my house
18:34 <Nothing\> which if people are pissing in the doorways
18:40 <Nothing\> i sure as hell wouldn't sleep there
19:04 <Nothing\> but i guess if it's pissing rain, that's the driest place
19:17 <rust_collector> Nothing\ that sounds like any city I have ever seen.
19:38 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah but this is on a much larger level
19:43 <Nothing\> especially for a city as small as this
19:53 <watcher> rust_collector so you do not have the typical swedish proporty with 3 a 4 buildings + a house
19:59 <Nothing\> in the 80's we used to have so many huge businesses that called this city home
20:12 <Nothing\> we had a huge mall that was owned by Eaton's
20:28 <Nothing\> if you know of them, they used to be a big department store like sears
20:43 <Nothing\> but they went under, and so did the mall
20:58 <rust_collector> watcher no, I do not live on an old abandoned small farm in sweden
21:07 <Nothing\> i tried taking my niece to the mall a few years ago, we were immediately approached by a security guard who asked us what we were doing there
21:15 <Nothing\> i was like "uhh shopping?"
21:21 <Nothing\> apparently there were no stores to shop at
21:28 <rust_collector> we have a normal little house, and a garage
21:30 <Nothing\> so he was confused why we were there
21:41 <Nothing\> all they have is a college and a police academy
21:54 <Nothing\> and i tihnk a call center
21:59 <rust_collector> heh
22:17 <Nothing\> at least they used to have a call center, the one i worked out outsourced to india and there was a second one i dunno what happened to it
22:25 <Nothing\> probably the same thing
22:27 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
22:28 <Ampera> <3
22:33 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
22:36 <Nothing\> hey man how's it going
22:44 <Ampera> I am tired.
22:49 <Ampera> and my weekend is almost over
22:54 <Nothing\> i got good sleep last night
22:57 <Nothing\> but i really need to poop
23:06 <Nothing\> it's been 10 days and i'm really getting uncomfortable
23:20 <rust_collector> I have tried asking city people what they do there. No one wants to answer, so I guess they are in some religious cult doing evil things or something.
23:33 <Ampera> 10 days since your last poop?
23:54 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's a long time even for me
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24:07 <Ampera> that sounds unhealthy...
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24:34 <Nothing\> yeah i took my max dose of laxatives so i'm hoping that does something
24:48 <Nothing\> never had to take this much but i can't be screwing about with this anymore
25:06 <Nothing\> if i end up crapping 10 times tonight so be it
25:10 <Nothing\> as long as i'm empty
26:27 <watcher> rust_collector if you watch here to the tv pragrams where weird people are showed it is are in the city or some house on a weird place like a small island just the size of the house and for the garden in a river or so. maybe it are just weird people
27:15 <watcher> weird people = weirdo
27:35 <rust_collector> we do have a good amount of space up here. so it is not uncommon to live in the woods, or so.
28:14 <rust_collector> I might be movin' to Montana soon Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss
28:45 <watcher> here it is also not that uncommen to live on a farm or in the woods but if you see the places it is just a weird place to live or the big city
29:40 <watcher> there are not much poeple that you see on tv that are sort of normal and live on a weird place and random place
29:51 <rust_collector> well, we only have one real city in this country. the other "cities" are just a good sized village
30:35 <rust_collector> ok, I don't watch tv, but it would be boring to film the normal people, I guess
30:47 <watcher> we 4 i think but also not that big on a world wide scale and 1 is technicly a town
32:53 <watcher> yes and no, on the local television we have a program that gose to the streets and just you to a random person that they see that looks kinda intresting and asked them for about 10 mins qeustions and show that if out 1 cut. it is pretty populiar adn fun to watch
34:29 <rust_collector> I am almost sure there are good things to watch on tv. but I don't have a tv. but that is ok
39:46 <watcher> i had this though that if every one is paying/blocking to see never a ad to tv/internet/newspaper i think that a gigant part of the economie not can run and the company's can't make there sells
46:47 <Nothing\> hah
46:55 <Nothing\> i figured out which state the simpsons is in
47:09 <Nothing\> there's a scene where skinner's using his ham radio and he says his callsign
47:20 <Nothing\> so i looked it up and it's a PA callsign
47:38 <rust_collector> do you get a new callsign if you move?
47:46 <Nothing\> i would imagine so
47:59 <Nothing\> it's like a radiostation, it changes based on geography
48:02 <Nothing\> or so i understand
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37:06 <Kuschelpony> if we could see radio waves, we would see a worl of colorful reflecting impedance mismatches
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03:21 <DHess_US> Most of what you see *is* reflections from impedance mismatches.
04:36 <Kuschelpony> sorry if i skipped to say macroscopic mismatches in electronics, not submicroscpoic discontinues forming the optical images we know from everyday life
15:54 <DHess_US> You only see submicroscopic discontinuities with laser light. That is what "speckle" is.
17:47 <Kuschelpony> sorry i can not better translate what i meant, to see just everyday solid opaque diffuse surfaces
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25:50 <DHess_US> Free space even has an impedance, 377 ohms.
35:40 <DHess_US> I even know of an example of a radio antenna which uses refraction instead of reflection. Back in the 80s, the magazine Radio Electronics released an article about building a satellite TV antenna out of plywood. It used a flat piece of plywood, which rings cut into it, to make a lens to focus radio waves behind it.
36:11 <DHess_US> I guess today we would call it a "metamaterials" lens.
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27:22 <Nothing\> hey DHess_US and kus
27:29 <Nothing\> oh guess he left
27:42 <Nothing\> anywho, you vote DHess_US? or is it time for that yet?
28:06 <Nothing\> i was just telling my mum about the election in germany
28:35 <DHess_US> Our midterm elections won't be util next year.
29:10 <DHess_US> And I don't vote anyway. It is a waste of time with only two approved candidates.
29:17 <Nothing\> ah i see
29:30 <Nothing\> DHess_US, yeah i didn't vote for canada's election this year
29:31 <T3sl4> so you vote in primaries then?
29:44 <DHess_US> T3sl4, it is turtles all the way down.
30:00 <Nothing\> i wanted to vote for the new democratic party, but they're the 3rd party and hence the underdogs who would never get even a minority government
30:28 <Ampera> I'm voting for the liberarian party
30:33 <Nothing\> the two main parties are the liberals and the conservatives. Trudeau being head of the liberals and Erin O'Toole head of the conservatives
30:40 <Ampera> the party of people who want little government and large libraries
30:48 <T3sl4> saw a post saying liberal party has been dangling proportional vote in front of you for decades
30:48 <Nothing\> then nanjeet singh as head of the new democrats
31:01 <Nothing\> who would be an interesting prime minister
31:17 <Nothing\> full on sikh, long beard, bangal, turban, full 9 yards
31:17 <DHess_US> T3sl4, there are solutions to Hotelling's and Duverger's law, but none involve primaries.
31:21 <Nothing\> no dagger though
31:31 <Nothing\> i don't think they'd approve of a dagger in parliament-
31:52 <Nothing\> i forget the formal word for the dagger the sikhs carry with them
32:06 <DHess_US> T3sl4, representation can be unambiguously calculated for different voting systems, and plurality is close to zero.
32:22 <Nothing\> this election was stupid though
32:27 <T3sl4> ok
32:28 <Nothing\> the campaign was only 36 days long
32:51 <Nothing\> and the whole point of it was so trudeau could try and get a majority government
32:54 <Nothing\> which he didn't
32:57 <Nothing\> so nothing changed
33:16 <Nothing\> and now people are pissed at him for holding an election in the middle of a pandemic
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33:48 <DHess_US> Approval voting, and the equivalent for proportional representation, would make a huge difference, but they have taken deliberate steps to prevent it.
34:00 <Nothing\> actually they had the lowest voter turnout ever cuz most people were more concerned with enjoying summer after being locked up for the last year
34:11 <Nothing\> the turnout was only something like 52%
34:15 <DHess_US> I suspect that greater representation in the EU is why their laws are saner.
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35:03 <Nothing\> DHess_US, do you think if somebody collects a german pension they'd be able to vote in a german election?
35:14 <Nothing\> oh nm my question was answered
35:42 <Nothing\> i was wondering if my grandparents would have been able to vote because they collected a german pension despite living in canada
35:56 <Nothing\> but my mum said they were naturalized canadian citizens, not dual citizens
36:00 <Nothing\> so i guess not
37:44 <Halcyon> Morning guys
37:52 * T3sl4 noogies Halcyon
37:58 <DHess_US> T3sl4, my attitude is probably colored by witnessing election fraud in California first hand when working election security.
37:58 <Halcyon> :D
38:25 <Halcyon> I'm not staying long. About to leave for my trip soon. Just came to check a few things then shutdown my laptop
38:48 <T3sl4> there was a lot of that last year. lots of red hats
39:13 <T3sl4> and by lot, i still mean statistically insignificant, but something is more than nothing
39:27 <Halcyon> Alrighty, I'm off, I might jump on tonight.
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40:10 <DHess_US> T3sl4, not statistically insignificant according to the just published Arizona audit.
40:35 <DHess_US> There were more than enough double and fraudulent ballots counted to change the results.
41:50 <DHess_US> The fraud I saw was on the order of ballot boxes worth of fraudulent ballots, plus discarding third party ballots which isn't significant except for the next election.
43:44 <T3sl4> oh right, you read right wing "news" sites
44:19 <DHess_US> Just the details in the reports that came out of arizona.
44:34 <DHess_US> Yea, they "accurately counted" all ballots, but that was never the whole question.
44:44 <DHess_US> So stating just that is misleadsing.
44:56 <T3sl4> i dont see anyone credible saying it went wrong.
46:29 <DHess_US> Anybody credible like the MSM which admitted to conspiracy to change the election?
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46:58 <DHess_US> Those people burned their credibility 20 years ago with Iraq. Why listen to them since?
47:21 <T3sl4> i said, anyone credible
47:40 <DHess_US> The same MSM which continuously lied about Russiagate?
47:53 <T3sl4> not sure why you would assume i mean MSM
48:20 <T3sl4> unless you're trying to pick a fight or something, but that would be uncharacteristic?
48:42 <DHess_US> The whole thing is a sore point with me, sorry.
49:34 <DHess_US> It's like the election lawsuits when various media report no evidence, when no evidence was *ever* introduced because all of the lawsuits were dismissed for lack of standing. Standing has nothing to do with evidence.
49:58 <DHess_US> Evidence is only introduced after standing is established.
50:18 <DHess_US> It doesn't matter how much evidence exists if there is no standing.
55:07 <T3sl4> i follow a few channels that read things like that in detail, explaining the legal procedure, standards etc
56:20 <DHess_US> I do also but I also went over some of the court decisions in detail. Most were not very long.
56:57 <DHess_US> Often they are not available without difficulty but in this case there were people interested enough to go get them and make them available.
57:17 <T3sl4> as i recall, not only were most/all of them so bad they didn't even check for standing, but the attorneys involved are being recommended for disciplinary action
57:33 <DHess_US> Those weren't the interesting ones.
57:46 <DHess_US> Trump's lawyers were a real clusterfuck.
58:00 <T3sl4> most ppl saw that coming
59:01 <DHess_US> I think that might come down to him not knowing what he was doing, and not getting good advice because people were afraid to help him by then because of what happened to Michael Flynn.
00:25 <DHess_US> But it wasn't only him filing lawsuits. So you have Georgia where the judge first says that there is no standing because there is no damages until after the election, and then after the election saying that there is no standing because it is too late to do anything so there is no remedy.
01:29 <DHess_US> My favorite was Wisconsin or Michigan where the secretary of state (responsible for elections) told the court that the law didn't require them to preserve evidence, and if it did, they were required to turn it over.
01:44 <DHess_US> err, they weren't required to turn it over.
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15:56 <DHess_US> T3sl4, there is an explanation for Trump's lawyers. The Republicans are not organized that way, and they don't like Trump anyway. The difference shows in how the various BLM and AntiFa protesters who were arrested had immediate legal and bail support while the 6th protesters did not.
16:16 <DHess_US> The same applies to preparedness for elections.
16:47 <T3sl4> amazingly enough, it's hard to be corrupt
17:01 <DHess_US> And some people who do this stuff pointed it out. Trump should have been preparing for those election lawsuits months in advance, by having vetted attorneys on retainer, etc.
17:42 <DHess_US> But the Republicans are not organized in that area, and they wouldn't help Trump anyway.
18:24 <DHess_US> Just like the Republicans are not organized to support their own protests.
35:19 <electrohead> o/
51:24 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/OntWtf/status/1378140416025972736
01:30 <electrohead> lol
19:27 <Ampera> oh goddamit
19:34 <Ampera> is someone doing a politic?
25:26 <DHess_US> Nothing\ started it.
39:37 <Ampera> oh, then that's fine
39:44 <Ampera> he's allowed to start things, he's a canadian, so he doesn't know better
41:31 <T3sl4> shrug, not really
41:42 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera with assorted red, white and blue colors
41:54 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 with assorted black, red, and gold colors
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55:16 <Some_Person> Goodwill stuff; bought 2 things today (1988 Oak Technologies video card and proper AWE32): https://imgur.com/a/WZOpXvu
56:34 <T3sl4> neat, i guess
01:43 <DHess_US> This makes me sad now, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/nanovolt-design-challenge-build-and-show-your-own-nv-meter-in-256-days/
02:09 <DHess_US> I came up for a design for a discrete chopper which might manage it, but I have no interest in the digital requirements.
03:07 <T3sl4> just stick an arduino on the ADC, someone has a library for GPIB client, somewhere
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16:45 <DHess_US> T3sl4, would mean learning a new development environment also. I considered AVR long ago but learned PIC instead.
16:59 <T3sl4> arduino is hardly avr
18:37 <T3sl4> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/PIC32/PIC32-PINGUINO/open-source-hardware aha, someone has done it already
19:10 <Some_Person> I’ll have to find some documentation for the video card. It looks like it supports multiple video standards, which is why I grabbed it.
19:13 <T3sl4> apparently theres a PIC18F+ version too but it would figure the more powerful CPU is easier to make compatible or something
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26:31 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
26:31 <Ampera> <3
26:31 <Nothing\> man, i can't get any of these dang libraries to work on my arduino
26:31 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright, besides my arduino woes
26:31 <Nothing\> for once i don't feel like complete shit when waking up
26:31 <Nothing\> so get this Ampera
26:31 <Nothing\> my blood sugar plumetted yesterday, down to 4.9, which they say anything between 5 and 7 is normal, but i feel ill if mine goes below 5.5 so 4.9's pretty low for me
26:31 <Nothing\> i mean if i can feel it without even having to check it with a meter, it's pretty low
26:31 <Nothing\> anyways
26:31 <Nothing\> i wound up gorging on a halloween bag of those gummy hamburgers and pizzas and stuff, ate half a pound of sugar's worth
26:31 <Nothing\> my blood sugar only went up to 7.1
26:31 <Nothing\> then crashed again an hour later
26:31 <Nothing\> which is weird cuz that's only supposed to happend to diabetics if they're on meds for it which i'm not
26:31 <Nothing\> like my mom's always getting lows from her meds and she'll have to skip a dose or something
26:31 <Nothing\> except she'll go down to 3 or so where her cognitive function is actually impaired and it's as though she's had a couple of drinks
26:31 <Nothing\> definitely not safe for driving
27:17 <Ampera> I suppose I'm fortunate the few medicines I take don't really cause much of an impact if I miss a dose
28:02 <Nothing\> no, hormones tend to have a much longer... i'm not sure what the word is
28:11 <Nothing\> but they take weeks to start working and weeks to stop working
28:42 <Nothing\> Ampera, i was thinking the other day and it occurred to me that your meds might actually exacerbate your emotional tumult
29:11 <Nothing\> you mess with reproductive hormones, mood changes WILL be an inevitable side effect
29:25 <Nothing\> and come on gradually enough that you might not even put 2 and 2 together
30:32 <Ampera> No I most certainly have come to that realization.
30:51 <Nothing\> i figured you would
30:54 <Nothing\> you're not dumb
31:19 <Ampera> That's part of what makes continuing on with them so difficult. With such a free and easy choice to stop taking them, but also such a free and easy choice to continue taking them, constant mood swings have made keeping an honest and dedicated decision almost impossible
31:27 <Ampera> I wouldn't go that far.
31:46 <Nothing\> it's free, yes
31:50 <Nothing\> but easy, perhaps not
31:58 <Ampera> It's as easy as taking a pill, or not taking a pill
32:04 <Nothing\> the emotional tumult could well become unbearable or do social damage to your life
32:11 <Ampera> It's not become that bad.
32:20 <Nothing\> no i mean when you go off of them
32:22 <Nothing\> if you do
32:27 <Ampera> I've come off them a few times now
32:29 <Ampera> for weeks
32:30 <Nothing\> ah
32:33 <Ampera> and I am most certainly aware
32:58 <Ampera> One interesting thing I have found, however, is there is a really odd substance that seems to regulate and reduce the impact of those mood swings.
32:59 <Ampera> Tea.
33:00 <Nothing\> honestly a few weeks, at least for test was the time it took for the rebound symptoms to just manifest
33:08 <Nothing\> they didn't even really peak until maybe 3-6 months after
33:20 <Nothing\> yeah, you've mentioned that
33:22 <Nothing\> that's awesome
33:31 <Nothing\> i actually tried tea myself once, green tea
33:40 <Nothing\> but with my intolerance to caffeine it was a no-go
33:41 <Ampera> I mostly drink black tea, it's a lot more similar to coffee.
33:56 <Ampera> What's so good about tea, is that it's a lot calmer than coffee or caffeine pills
33:57 <Nothing\> but i found out recently that these iced cappuccinos i've been getting from tim horton's
34:05 <Ampera> It has a very smooth release of caffeine, and a very calming effect
34:06 <Nothing\> contain about 210mg of caffeine in them
34:14 <Ampera> hahaha
34:15 <Nothing\> which is a shitton, especially for me
34:30 <Nothing\> i mean, i worked my way up. I've got a bit of a tolerance now
34:35 <Ampera> A couple years ago when I was in school, I bought some 200mg caffeine pills from CVS
34:47 <Ampera> One of those would wire me hard enough to see through walls
34:48 <Nothing\> i used to drink the mediums which are like 150mg or something
34:52 <Nothing\> which is still a lot for me
35:07 <Nothing\> oh yeah i've had those too
35:21 <Nothing\> they're called "wake-ups" here and come to think of it i haven't seen them in stores in ages
35:48 <Nothing\> they used to have a pink color to them and i remember on nilered's videos about caffeine extraction, his extracts would always be pinkish from the dye
35:52 <Nothing\> cuz he's a cannuck
36:06 <Nothing\> probably doesn't live far from me, he has a southern ontario accent
36:25 <Nothing\> or maybe vancouver, their accents are similar, if not identical
36:47 <Nothing\> it's hard to say with canadian accents, cuz some people who have lived in this area all their lives even have accents
36:57 <Nothing\> but other people like me who haven lived here all their lives have none
37:40 <Nothing\> although i spent almost 10 years in absolute reclusiveness, and watching a lot of british and american media sorta tweaked my accent a bit
38:28 <Nothing\> but my accent's always been more like a standard northern US accent with a few oddities. Like OW sounds come out more like OA. So we don't say aboot, but more aboat.
38:37 <Nothing\> but it's a softer OA sound
39:01 <Nothing\> somewhere halfway between ow and oh
39:19 <Nothing\> newfie/maritime accents are cool though
39:33 <Nothing\> it's like a mix of a stereotypical cannuck accent with an irish twang to it
40:56 <Nothing\> looking at the code for this OLED arduino program to just display a logo, it looks like they're just coding it one pixel at a time
41:48 <Nothing\> it's just a matrix of hex values that's 16x64
42:02 <rust_collector> mmmh, morning?
42:03 <Nothing\> though i think the actual resolution is 32x128
42:07 <Nothing\> heya rust_collector
42:15 <Nothing\> looks like we have similar sleeping hours
42:21 <Nothing\> which is sad since you live in norway
42:24 <rust_collector> 0led
42:34 <Nothing\> aye, an SSD1306
42:34 <rust_collector> yeah, I am a sad person
42:43 <Nothing\> which are supposed to be pretty standard displays
42:49 <Nothing\> but none of the libs i got for it seem to work
43:06 <Nothing\> i always get some error i could probably debug if i were smarter
43:27 <rust_collector> I have never tried to use any display like that. But I have started to think about it a little bit
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43:46 <Nothing\> yeah i'd like to use it for a digital thermometer to display the temperature
43:52 <Halcyon> Morning all
44:12 <Nothing\> either that, or i could have it log the temperature to the EEPROM and just read from that
44:17 <Nothing\> heya Halcyon
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44:33 <Nothing\> i forget the arduino had a writeable eeprom until just now
44:37 <Nothing\> hey tpal
44:55 <tpal> Hello
45:12 <rust_collector> yeah, I think I would do something similar. just use a display, so I do not have to have the computer hooked up
45:55 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/hDeAoZh.jpg
47:31 <Halcyon> I need to stop reading the news, it's mostly just crap these days
47:48 <Halcyon> How is "How 27 year old woman owns 3 homes" a news story?
48:06 <Halcyon> The answer is simple, working, stringent savings and then buying houses. Derr
49:35 <rust_collector> maybe she killed her wealthy parents. I don't know. but ok, you should be happy that you have had news up until these days.
50:14 <Halcyon> It's mostly all clickbait now and all the actual news is behind paywalls... because no one buys newspapers anymore
50:52 <Nothing\> YAYY
50:56 <Nothing\> i got the OLED working
51:15 <rust_collector> even the "real" news are crap these days. I think news used to be reporting what had happened, and who said what, and such. Now, it is more what journalist x thinks will happen, because politician b is a dick
51:20 <Nothing\> just with a demo program, but it's great seeing it actually display something after like more than a year of trying to get it to work
51:39 <rust_collector> cool
51:45 <Halcyon> Yes exactly rust_collector, so much of what is reported are just opinion pieces
51:54 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
51:54 <Ampera> <3
51:58 <Halcyon> Morning Ampera :)
52:07 <Ampera> How are you doing fren?
52:13 <Halcyon> I just woke up
52:17 <Halcyon> Having a coffee
52:19 <Halcyon> How are you?
52:51 <Ampera> I'm upset
52:53 <Ampera> and offended
52:54 <Ampera> and disgusted
53:00 <rust_collector> I am slightly angry-ish, because of a lack of coffee today
53:13 <Halcyon> Why Ampera? What happened?
53:44 <Ampera> My best friend is drinking coffee instead of tea >:/
54:06 <Halcyon> I'll drink tea when you send me some :P
58:29 <Ampera> Hey >:(, my laziness is my own excuse
58:31 <Ampera> get your own
58:35 <Halcyon> :P
59:06 <Halcyon> How's your bunny?
59:59 <Ampera> funny
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30:47 <rust_collector> I videoed some rats at work again today. I should sent that to mrs boss. She hates rats, and has to have meetings and stuff
34:49 <T3sl4> aw, rats are cuties
35:01 <rust_collector> yeah.
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38:24 <T3sl4> interesting, i cooked these rice noodles in altogether too little water. they absorbed it all, and... they steamed perfectly
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52:46 <steve30> hi Halcyon
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55:11 <rust_collector> aaah, this is so good
55:25 <electrohead> lol, hey guys
55:33 <rust_collector> hey you
56:13 <Ampera> how are you doing powerguy?
56:59 <rust_collector> electrohead the Ampera is asking something
57:21 <steve30> 1. Why is the news talking about twitter users again? 2. Why is this even an argument?
57:21 <steve30> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58698406
57:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Labour conference: Not right to say only women have a cervix, says Starmer - BBC News
57:52 <electrohead> I'm alright, you?
58:07 <Ampera> "total denial of scientific fact"
58:27 <rust_collector> oh wow. we must be close to world peace, if that is in the news
58:42 <Ampera> if prescriptive etymology is a science, please shoot me now.
59:10 <Ampera> rust_collector, don't worry, the government just dealing with non problems, so they don't have to waste their time trying to solve real ones.
59:20 <Ampera> *it's the
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59:26 <rust_collector> oh, ok
59:47 <Ampera> electrohead, in horrible, agonizing, ruthless pain that I am not making up and is totally real.
00:23 <electrohead> what happened?
00:35 <Ampera> I woke up today.
00:51 <steve30> I was going to go to the shops later but its forecast rain, so I might go on the bus
01:11 <Ampera> steve30, aren't you waterproof?
01:17 <steve30> nope
01:20 <Ampera> darn
01:54 <Ampera> I have work tomorrow :/
02:03 <Ampera> in about 9 hours
02:39 <steve30> jobs suck
02:54 <steve30> they use up valuable coffee drinking time
02:55 <Ampera> fortunately not getting paid sucks more
03:24 <rust_collector> I get "free" coffee at work. it is well worth going there some times
03:51 <Ampera> I drink tea, you people disturb me.
04:22 <rust_collector> yeah, you would be easily disturbed, if you are like that
04:32 <Ampera> that's why I became disturbing
04:45 <Ampera> so whenever someone disturbs me I can disturb them back
05:08 <rust_collector> I can not drink much tea. I cup or two, is ok, but I get incredible headaches if I drink a lot
05:20 <rust_collector> I cup, lol
05:40 <Ampera> the same is true for me with coffee
05:46 <Ampera> except instead of a headache, it's nausea
05:47 <steve30> i can't sleep
05:52 <Ampera> and instead of 1-2 cups, it's any amount
06:01 <rust_collector> that is handy
07:27 <rust_collector> hmm, brake cleaner kills insects faster than insect spray stuff. that is nice
07:47 <Ampera> it pollutes the earth faster too
07:53 <Ampera> even better
07:57 <rust_collector> I can't dance
08:08 <rust_collector> I would not be so sure about that
08:24 <steve30> me niether
09:43 <Ampera> eh
09:56 <Ampera> just make sure to dispose of the can by the side of a road
10:03 <Ampera> that'll make sure you hurt the small little animals as much as possible
10:33 <rust_collector> I try to slice it into rings, so they can get stuck in them
10:44 <Ampera> nice
11:00 <Ampera> you're a real innovator, it's people like you who will make the world a worse place to live
11:06 <Ampera> and I can't help but thank you
11:34 <rust_collector> you do inspire me to work faster.
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15:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
20:45 <Kuschelpony> good morning
23:02 <T3sl4> would imagine they're not above bumping the boat to knock them off
24:52 * steve30 coffees
25:19 * T3sl4 stalks around steve30's coffee mug
25:41 * steve30 pets T3sl4 
25:48 <T3sl4> :3
26:30 * electrohead films
26:32 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/pvxr6k/day_off/
26:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
32:14 <rust_collector> morning. and... good night
57:12 <Kuschelpony> quick question, can you suggest a standard PNP transistor that has very good beta at 1 to 2A at 1V Uce? Something slightly better than a BD140
57:30 <Kuschelpony> its for a constant current oad
57:44 <damian> TOO MANY REQUESTS
57:48 <damian> you fucked it electrohead
57:50 <damian> do better code
58:10 * T3sl4 requests damian shut the fuck up
58:49 <damian> get bent daddy musk
58:50 <damian> ;)
59:18 <T3sl4> hey, i had this nick before his wankery was a twinkle in his emerald fueled eye
59:57 <damian> suuuure you did
00:04 <damian> how could you have the name before the brand was started huh
00:42 <T3sl4> well you see there was this guy
00:46 <T3sl4> who much longer ago
00:54 <T3sl4> also had the name tesla :D
01:42 <damian> oh WHAT
02:00 <damian> was he a time traveller?? named himself after the brand then went back in time or something
02:07 <damian> i call bullshit, if time travel was possible everyone would know about it
02:32 <T3sl4> well the thing about that is
02:36 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
02:43 <electrohead> damian: lol
02:47 * electrohead gropes T3sl4
03:01 <T3sl4> steven hawking is gonna throw the greatest party ever
03:05 * T3sl4 films 
03:06 <damian> i was thinking way too hard about time travel the other day, it was hurting my brain so hard
03:14 <damian> imagine time travel were possible
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03:36 <damian> at the same time we'd have invented FTL travel
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03:47 <damian> or teleportation
03:49 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
03:50 <damian> how cool would that be
03:52 * steve30 collapses onto Halcyon 
03:56 <damian> man i didn't even think about just teleporting, ahghhhh
04:12 <T3sl4> i was doing both just the other day
04:18 <damian> what if we managed to invent teleportation but it relied on some quantum signature for spacetime
04:20 * Halcyon slips the tounge in
04:21 <T3sl4> in the eponymous game
04:36 <damian> you had to be so spot on, otherwise you'd miss your mark and be millions of kilometers away
04:52 <damian> but that first test worked fine, because you were only shifting a few feet between pods
04:53 <Ampera> oh, I thought that was implied
04:54 <Ampera> :/
04:56 <Halcyon> :P
04:59 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
05:00 <damian> then the next one they tested and was like flomp
05:07 <Halcyon> I'm good, I just came back from the store
05:11 <T3sl4> just use god's hash function to uniquely identify spacial coordinates
05:15 <Halcyon> I bought 2kg of pork leg
05:15 <damian> the apple they test instead of appearing in the pod, appears inside of someones brain on the other side of the planet
06:42 <steve30> i put a bid in on a thinkpad t420
07:00 <Halcyon> Oooh, that sounds farmiliar. I wonder if that's the same model I have
07:14 <Ampera> I'm thinking of buying a laptop with a 5G modem
07:21 <Ampera> I just don't know which
07:26 <Halcyon> Oh it's not I have a T61p
07:47 <Halcyon> Ampera, take your pick, most brands have it either standard or an option
07:53 <Halcyon> Depends how much you want to spend
08:03 <steve30> I have my SSD upgraded R40 out on the desk atm
08:05 <Ampera> Most brands don't have it
08:11 <T3sl4> wait, what did they call the fruit before Apple Inc?
08:24 <Ampera> cellular equipped laptops are insanely rare
08:40 <Ampera> and often insanely expensive above models without
08:44 <Halcyon> Weird, most of ours at work have WWAN
08:45 <Ampera> nevermind linux support
08:50 <Halcyon> Or at least the slot for them.
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09:40 <Halcyon> But yeh 5G is pretty neat
09:56 <Halcyon> I've only recently started using it as I was on an old phone plan before that didn't include 5G access
10:10 <steve30> i pondered getting a 5g modem but we don't have ideal coverage yet and modems are expensive
10:14 <Halcyon> Was getting almost 700 Mbps down at work
10:41 <damian> nono that's different
10:54 <damian> apples have been a thing since before the bible
11:06 <steve30> nice
11:07 <T3sl4> lies
11:12 <damian> it's true
11:16 <damian> the dinosaurs used to talk about them
11:19 <T3sl4> they only existed for 6000 years
11:36 <Halcyon> Not that I really need those kinds of speeds on my phone, but it's good to have it, particularly next week when I'll be travelling
11:39 <damian> but that was before the bible
12:55 <T3sl4> not according to the bible
13:20 <steve30> i wonder if my Mum has coronavirus
13:32 <Halcyon> One way to find out
13:36 <steve30> if she has I guess I'll get it next week
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14:57 <Ampera> looks like there really isn't much option for laptops with 5G either
15:11 <Ampera> most of what's available is ARM based
16:35 <Halcyon> I know the ThinkPad X1 Carbon has a Qualcomm 5G modem
16:51 <Halcyon> I dare say the other ThinkPad models do as well, don't know about the other models
17:12 <Ampera> isn't the X1 Carbon ARM based?
17:22 <steve30> my thinkpads have 56k modems :)
17:24 <Halcyon> Nah, Intel
17:28 <Ampera> I also don't really want to buy a Lenovo laptop as even the thinkpad I have just doesn't inspire me much
18:03 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:26 <Halcyon> They might look a bit "industrial" but specs wise, they are among the best, plus you can customise them quite easily.
18:51 <Ampera> No, I'm just unimpressed with their build quality.
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19:13 <Ampera> My ideapad has cracked and fallen apart in under a year of use
19:29 <Ampera> and considering the thinkpad I have for work, I'm not confident they can make a better laptop
19:30 <Halcyon> That's why I bought a ThinkPad :P
19:30 <steve30> How do modern thinkpads compare to my murder-weapon grade A31?
19:36 <Halcyon> They are rugged and well built
19:40 <Ampera> I have a thinkpad, they are not well built
19:46 <Ampera> they are cheap and plasticy
19:49 <Halcyon> So do I and it's excellent
19:51 <Ampera> by no means murder grade
20:20 <Halcyon> And unlike a lot of thin laptops like the Dells, they don't bend and flex. If I carry my Dell work laptop with one hand, the mainboard flexes so much that the machine just locks up
20:56 <steve30> My A31 is a good 2" thick and weighs 4kg :D
21:03 <Ampera> I will say there's not much flex, but neither does my ideapad
21:14 <Ampera> well, neither did it, right up until it started to disintegrate
21:30 <Halcyon> Hahah I do miss the old ThinkPads, they were built like a tank. The next step up from those were the Panasonic Toughbooks
21:51 <jaymax> Classic ThinkPads flex *a lot* - but in the good way.
21:56 <Ampera> That's one of the reasons the surface pro is an appealing option, because they're made of magnesium alloy
22:05 <Ampera> and thus are far less likely to just fall apart
22:38 <Halcyon> The problem I have with a lot of those types of machines is they are glued together.
22:49 <Ampera> Most machines are glued together these days.
22:51 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoMtieA3uaM
22:56 <Halcyon> I like my ThinkPad P1 as I can undo a few screws and get to the expansion sockets, RAM and SSDs
23:03 <Nothing\> man i'm so happy i got this oled module working
23:09 <Ampera> you paid an unreasonable amount of money for what you got though
23:12 <Ampera> even with all your discounts
23:22 <Nothing\> also why isn't the bot returning a titty for my url?
23:26 <Halcyon> It was expensive but by no means unreasonable for the specs
23:38 <Ampera> It was unreasonable.
23:49 <Halcyon> I did the comparisons against other similar models
23:56 <steve30> Video unavailable
23:56 <steve30> This video is private.
23:57 <Halcyon> It was actually slightly cheaper than what I could get from Dell
24:07 <Nothing\> steve30, really? weird
24:15 <Nothing\> i didn't mark it as private, lemme see
24:17 <Ampera> honestly, whenever I go looking for a laptop, I just get mad
24:19 <Ampera> they are all fucking trash
24:29 <jaymax> ^
24:31 <Halcyon> Don't forget my order also included a 4K monitor, dock, stands, additional AC adapters, wireless mice, keyboard, backpack etc...
24:42 <Ampera> inexcusably overpriced, underpowered, and every single one of them is poorly built
24:43 <Nothing\> oh yeha, it's got the private icon down there
25:16 <Halcyon> Again Ampera, look at the higher spec'd Thinkpads, they are excellent both in terms of performance and build quality. But you get what you pay for. If you budged is <$1000 well, *shrug*
25:29 <Halcyon> *your buget
25:30 <Ampera> I do not want a thinkpad, I have wasted a fucking lot of money on Lenovo hardware that has always been shit
25:31 <Halcyon> budget
25:32 <jaymax> I hate it when I catch my laptops pantsless by the rubbish bin.
25:32 <steve30> should i go to bed?
25:35 <Halcyon> FUCK, why can't I type today
25:38 <Ampera> I do not want to spend them more money, even if it's supposed to be good
26:01 <Halcyon> You are the only person I know who had had negative experience with Lenovo hardware
26:10 <jaymax> Don't get new - ever.
26:17 <Halcyon> I figure if it's good enough for the International Space Station, it's good enough for m
26:18 <Halcyon> me
26:38 <Ampera> The ISS is also built on decades old russian hardware that almost destroyed it a few months ago
26:58 <Halcyon> The point is, they use Thinkpads up there
26:58 <Ampera> so unless your point is that my thinkpad is going to kill me, I don't follow
27:11 <Ampera> Don't they also use iPads up there?
27:34 <Halcyon> No idea. I wouldn't have thought they would be using Apple products for experiements?
27:38 <steve30> If I wanted new, I'd be inclined to go Thinkpad, but i would hapily consider others
27:39 <Halcyon> Unless it's to watch the YouTubes?
27:58 <Ampera> I believe I've seen them before in various videos from the ISS
28:08 <Ampera> point being, just because it's on the ISS doesn't mean it's brilliant
28:26 <Nothing\> can't figure out how to make this video public
28:35 <Nothing\> looking through the video details and i'm just not seeing it
28:38 <Halcyon> No, but I can also say first hand after using them for years, that they absolutely are.
28:53 <Ampera> Ultimately, if Lenovo had the only device that matched my requirements, I'd go with them
28:58 <Halcyon> But, the moment you step down to consumer gear, all bets are off
29:07 <Ampera> but I don't know how you can blame me for not wanting to put more money into a brand that has fucked me over in the past
29:14 <Ampera> piss off
29:15 <jaymax> Brand can easily mean dick all as well. For example, with Lenovo, if you're not going for the P, T, or X models, you *are* wasting your money.
29:18 <Halcyon> The same can be said for AMD
29:28 <Ampera> okay now you're talking crap
29:31 <Halcyon> I am extremely hesitant to buy another AMD CPU or GPU ever again
29:37 <jaymax> Halcyon you got it.
29:44 <Halcyon> Oh so it's OK for you to have a bias against a brand but no one else?
29:48 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2kc-G0yx8
29:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Explosions and Fire - Safety Third #11
29:54 <Ampera> My experience is far more recent than yours
30:15 <Halcyon> I have recent experiences, remember, I work with technology every single day
30:18 <Ampera> It'd be one thing if I hadn't bought anything from Lenovo in 10 years and they really turned things around
30:19 <Halcyon> And have done for over 20 years
30:35 <Ampera> I thought you worked to oppress and abuse private citizens every day?
30:37 <damian> haha
30:47 <Halcyon> That's a bonus
30:48 <Ampera> must be getting confused, but I have a bad brand bias against the police
31:52 * jaymax reads scrollback
32:12 <jaymax> Wait, ideapad? Don't buy laptops from Walmart.
32:50 <Ampera> This is what I don't get. Why must it be mandatory to spend thousands of dollars on business class crap in order to get a laptop that doesn't fall apart in under a year.
33:14 <Ampera> I have a definitively consumer grade Toshiba laptop from 2004 which has no damage of it whatsoever that wasn't the fault of the user
33:14 <steve30> because quality costs money
33:15 <jaymax> Because consumer crap dies much faster
33:55 <Nothing\> is it wrong of me, when uploading videos to include tags like "tits, boobs, sex, hot, topless, tribal, national geographic, model," and other such tags
33:57 <Ampera> I also have a consumer grade iBook G4 from the same time period which is in even better condition
34:02 <jaymax> Haphazard thermals, mad rush to have better specs next year, hamster wheel shite.
34:06 <Halcyon> But yeh the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, X12, X1 Yoga, P14s all have 5G wireless. Outside of Lenovo, I have no idea. The Dell Latitudes that we use are only LTE (but have issues with heat)
34:13 <Nothing\> so pervs searching for semi-porn on youtube will get my video
35:05 <Ampera> which X1 Carbon generation
35:19 <Ampera> looking at the gen 8's and they only come with LTE
35:29 <Ampera> ah, there's a gen 9
35:58 <Halcyon> Yessum
36:17 <Ampera> G9 is LTE only too
36:50 <Ampera> er, looks like they claim 5G in some places
37:11 <Ampera> lol, it's a 500$ addon
37:34 <Ampera> can only get a quad core
37:49 <steve30> well, i'm going to attempt some sleep
37:52 <Ampera> RAM is 500$ for 32GB
38:00 <jaymax> Pro-tip from growing up with a plumber as a father - Moen makes good sink faucets, but the Moens you get at a basic-bitch hardware store versus a wholesaler is sigificant. Any brand can make crap. But at least (hardware store won't tell you) is that those stems are guaranteed forever - take a bad stem to a wholesaler and they'll give you a new one, no questions asked.
38:28 <Halcyon> You obviously get different specs to here. The higher spec'd 9th Gen X1 here comes with Qualcomm Snapdragon X55 5G
38:54 <Halcyon> It's a $430 option for the lower spec'd models
39:14 <Ampera> "+462$"
39:29 <Halcyon> Compared to $300 for the LTE
39:38 <Ampera> LTE is 200$
39:56 <Halcyon> But again, you get what you pay for. No one said it was going to be cheap.
39:58 <Ampera> honestly it's not a bad spec, but the CPU is pathetic
40:04 <Ampera> like, really pathetic
40:14 <Halcyon> And WWAN is usually only found in workstation/commercial type laptops
41:09 <Ampera> effectively a CPU that's within spitting distance of my 4790k, in a machine that costs 2.2k
41:12 <Halcyon> Then upgrade the CPU?
41:17 <Ampera> this is the highest SKU
41:21 <Ampera> i7-1165G7
41:26 <Halcyon> You have options, or pick a model that has a Xeon or something. There are options.
41:34 <Ampera> There are no options for xeons
41:54 <Halcyon> Not for the X1 Carbon no, but there is more than just that one model
42:28 <Halcyon> The newest Gen of the P1 (which is what I have) has 5G and I believe has the option for Xeon
42:38 <Halcyon> But again, you're going to pay for it if that's what you want
43:03 <Ampera> It's stupid though, it's exorbitantly more money than even close to desktop prices
44:02 <Halcyon> Yep. But you pay for portability. Desktops traditionally are cheaper.
44:54 <Ampera> I'm paying the chump price.
45:00 <Halcyon> But anyway, those are some options for you. Apart from Dells (which I don't recommend because I've had too many problems with them over the last 2 years)
45:18 <Nothing\> argh
45:28 <Nothing\> damn you dvorak
45:42 <Halcyon> My biggest gripe with Dell Latitude's are heat-related. Out of the 15 we ordered, we've had at least 2 or 3 of them just die
45:52 <Ampera> I've had good experience with HP gear in the past
45:54 <Nothing\> spend 30 mins writing a comment to a guy saying he can't find the 6502 in turkey, so i was trying to dig up sources and suppliers for him
45:56 <Halcyon> Even at idle, the fans scream
46:10 <Nothing\> then i go to copy the text for safe keeping
46:14 <Halcyon> HP commercial gear isn't bad, but their consumer stuff is plasticy garbage.
46:19 <Nothing\> but on my keyboard, w is right next to v
46:26 <Halcyon> We only use HP desktops, not their laptops
46:28 <Nothing\> and pressing ctrl+w apparently closes the tab
46:34 <Ampera> Is there consumer gear that is actually usable?
46:35 <Nothing\> so, bye bye comment
46:43 <electrohead> off to bed and stuff o/
46:49 <Halcyon> It's usuable, but for how long and what you expect to get out of it will vary
47:17 <Halcyon> The biggest issue I've seen with consumer-grade HPs is the plastics around the screen starts to crack and the hinges suck
47:25 <Nothing\> i wonder if i can remap ctrl+c and ctrl+v to more reasonable shortcuts for dvorak like ctrl+j and ctrl+k
47:41 <Halcyon> I've also had dead GPUs on some quite old models (I'd like to think that's fixed today though)
48:23 * T3sl4 tucks in electrohead
48:50 <Nothing\> i dunno how my cat can go from hacking and sounding like he's gonna puke to running around like a maniac in the span of like 2 minutes
48:59 <Nothing\> guess he's happy to be feeling better
49:00 <Halcyon> Bahaha
49:05 <Halcyon> Crazy cat
49:10 <Nothing\> he really is
49:13 <Nothing\> he's very humanized
49:19 <Nothing\> he actually has to sleep with a pillow
49:24 <Halcyon> I think that's most cats generally. Next door's cats are retarded
49:28 <Nothing\> and won't drink water unless it's fresh from a tap or bottle
49:33 <Nothing\> he won't drink standing water
49:55 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol he's figured out how to open doors
50:15 <Halcyon> Oh my
50:17 <Nothing\> he's not usually successful, but sometimes he is
50:19 <Halcyon> What a sook
50:26 <Nothing\> he can open the screen door too
50:31 <Halcyon> To be fair, I like cold, fresh water too
50:35 <Nothing\> so we have to keep a rubber band on it
51:02 <Nothing\> and it's funny, i've watched him a few times in my room when he can't sleep
51:06 <Nothing\> and he's just like a person
51:11 <Nothing\> he'll toss and turn
51:20 <Nothing\> then get frustrated and start beating up his pillow
51:28 <Nothing\> and grunt with frustration
52:13 <Nothing\> cuz he wants to stay in my room with my while i'm sleeping, but he knows he needs to sleep and can't play while i'm sleeping so he's desperately trying to get to sleep
53:03 <Nothing\> lol or the one time we bought a litter box, hadn't put litter or anything in it yet, we just had it sitting in the hall way. and he actually peed in it with no cues besides the shape that it was a litter box
53:17 <Halcyon> Does catnip help? I forget, does that make them crazy or zonk them out?
53:18 <Nothing\> at least, he peed in it until the pee pooled around his ankles lol
53:39 <Nothing\> he just eats it then goes to his normal business. Sometimes he gets really crazy, then zonks out
53:53 <Nothing\> i actually tried making a catnip extract
54:33 <Nothing\> where i soaked it in 99% rubbing alcohol, strained and filtered it, then evaporated off the alcohol to leave whatever oils and stuff are left
54:42 <Halcyon> You could make catnip cookies for him :P
54:47 <Nothing\> i think it may have gone off cuz the resulting product just smells rank
55:07 <Nothing\> and coming from rubbing alcohol, it's not food grade. I'd have to use grain alcohol for that
55:15 <Nothing\> it was more a proof of concept
55:27 <Nothing\> but yeah, my cats went nuts for the stuff
55:51 <Nothing\> i just let them have a whiff and i had to restrain the one from sticking his head in
56:10 <Nothing\> i think they make essential oils in a similar way
56:27 <Nothing\> ideally i'd get a proper chemistry set up with a soxhlet extractor
58:53 <Nothing\> it basically slowly fills a chamber full of plant mater with the solvent, then when it's high enough it drains through a syphon and empties into a reservoir where the solvent's heated to boiling and the steam is brought back up into the chamber with the plants to collect as liquid until it fills it up to the syphon line and drains again
59:11 <Nothing\> and you can just leave it for hours or even days just running this cycle after cycle after cycle
59:46 <Nothing\> but that's if you have a proper chemistry set up with glassware and stands and distillation aparatii
04:24 <Halcyon> Heh silly cats
04:26 <Halcyon> Do you have photos?
07:10 <Nothing\> i have somewhere, lemme see
07:28 <Nothing\> could probably find one on my mum's facebook easily enough without having to upload something heh
36:36 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/eezyamw
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37:03 <Nothing\> Halcyon, there's smokey, he's a maine coon so he's huge. 3.5 feet and he's barely overy a year old
37:10 <Nothing\> and 17lbs
37:16 <Nothing\> and they say he won't reach full size until 3
37:42 <Nothing\> harder to find pictures of luci cuz she's not very photogenic
37:57 <Nothing\> she's black so any time you take a picture of her it's always a black blob with eyes
38:55 * T3sl4 pets Nothing\
39:35 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/yafpw4k8
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39:38 <Nothing\> baby smokey
39:46 * Nothing\ purrs and rubs against T3sl4
40:50 * T3sl4 passes electrohead the camera
42:38 <T3sl4> on a related note, caturday is starting early https://imgur.com/gallery/0NjBisZ
42:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Thatâs one fuckin nice kitty there - Album on Imgur
47:26 <DHess_US> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FANPu5xX0AEGtSw?format=jpg&name=medium
47:28 <Nothing\> bwahaha
47:32 <Nothing\> i forgot i had this picture
47:35 <Nothing\> https://ibb.co/Gs7rsr0
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47:46 <Nothing\> one of the rare times i was actually able to thread something through there
48:19 <Nothing\> it's really hard to get anything to actually get all the way through plus it feels weird as hell so i don't like to do it very often
48:39 <Nothing\> and yeah, that's 1 piece of wire
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49:56 <Nothing\> i just hate the stigma that if you have such a hole between your nostrils, it MUST have been made by cocaine
50:17 <Nothing\> but in reality, most septum perforations like that occur as a result of surgery
50:29 <Nothing\> or mine happened from overusing decongestant nasal sprays
50:59 <Nothing\> because they constrict the blood vessels and reduce bloodflow, right? So any wounds aren't going to heal very well
51:18 <Nothing\> combine that with the dry winter climate here
51:54 <Nothing\> still it's not a bad deal having a ~1cm hole between your nostrils
52:59 <Nothing\> i don't even notice it most of the time and the worst it ever does is cause a whistling noise. Which is annoying as all hell. Especially when I'm trying to sleep. But I have these plastic splints i can stick inside by nose that holds the nostrils opened and usually stops the whistling
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53:46 <Nothing\> though i constantly worry about the bridge of my nose collapsing or something like that. If i ever got punched in the nose it'd snap like a twig
54:02 <T3sl4> does that make your nose smooshier? since there's so much less cartilage in there
54:14 <Nothing\> tbh, i can't tell
54:25 <Nothing\> i've tried to figured it out too cuz i wondered the same thing
54:36 <Nothing\> it does feel softer at the tip
54:54 <Nothing\> and the septum's become deviated since
55:18 <Nothing\> cuz i don this "trick" like those circus guys that nail stuff to their faces
55:32 <Nothing\> except i don't do that, i just stick weird stuff up my nose
55:38 <Nothing\> like a long nail
55:45 <Nothing\> provided it's clean
55:56 <T3sl4> well that's just a bit, the sinuses normally go back that far
56:08 <Nothing\> yeah most people don't realize that
56:27 <Nothing\> so they freak out when you say, stick a pair of scissors 4in into your face
56:36 <Nothing\> it's a fun party trick, if you're careful
57:02 <Nothing\> i always take it slow and feel my way around, if something hurts, i pull back and try another way
57:08 <Nothing\> i never force it
57:57 <Nothing\> which is why i don't like the idea of hammering a board to my face. Using a hammer you have no control of how much force is being exerted, or in what direction. So you can seriously hurt yourself.
58:08 <Nothing\> or hurt yourself anyways
59:21 <Nothing\> ahh that's why my video's private
59:30 <Nothing\> i haven't finished the process of uploading it yet
59:50 <Nothing\> like i uploaded it, but haven't specified any settings for the video yet
00:38 <Nothing\> https://youtu.be/IoMtieA3uaM
00:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Arduino OLED Module
00:46 <Nothing\> there we are, shouldn't be private anymore
01:10 <Nothing\> i'm SO happy i finally got this thing working
01:24 <Nothing\> totally gotta get some more of these things
01:31 <Nothing\> and more arduinos
02:04 <Nothing\> lol maybe i could weasel my way out of christmas this year with i
02:17 <Nothing\> make everybody digital thermometers for christmas
02:22 <Nothing\> what do you think? lol
05:43 <Nothing\> whew
05:46 <Nothing\> nicotine headrush
06:00 <Nothing\> just realized i haven't vaped in like 6 hours
14:08 * Halcyon slaps Ampera with a flaccid meat stick
14:43 * Ampera makes Halcyon so gay he becomes straight again, then kisses him
15:20 <Halcyon> \o/
15:39 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon so hard he gets bent gay again
15:56 <Halcyon> You two are queer
19:56 <Nothing\> Halcyon, were you able to view the video now?
20:04 <Nothing\> i figured out the problem
20:34 <Halcyon> Which video?
20:35 <Nothing\> i hadn't finished the uploading process. So apparently YouTube keeps videos private until you do that
21:06 <Nothing\> oh, i thought you had tried to watch a video on my channel but couldn't because it was marked private
21:12 <T3sl4> it's literally 10 lines up Halcyon, smh
21:15 <Nothing\> must have been somebody else. My apologies
21:21 <Halcyon> No that was someone else
21:30 <Halcyon> But I'll click it anyway
21:32 <T3sl4> but yeah or that too :P
21:37 <Nothing\> i see. In that case, sorry bout the confusion.
21:46 <Halcyon> Heheh you sound so 'Merican
21:52 <Halcyon> No need to be sorry
21:58 <Nothing\> It's nothing special. Just showing an OLED demo program running from an arduino
22:18 <Nothing\> i was just so happy to get it working after struggling with libraries for so long
22:26 <Nothing\> and examples that don't work
22:36 <Halcyon> That's a cute little display
22:46 <Nothing\> i know, right? only $3
22:48 <Halcyon> What's the resolution?
22:55 <Nothing\> 32x128
23:06 <Halcyon> Is it just serial data in?
23:12 <Halcyon> Or how do you address each pixel
23:16 <Nothing\> yup
23:21 <Nothing\> just i2c
23:32 <Halcyon> Max. frame rate?
23:41 <Nothing\> that's a good question actually
23:46 <Nothing\> but i can dig up the datasheet
23:46 <Halcyon> Or refresh rate I should say
23:53 <T3sl4> would imagine it can go real time
24:03 <Halcyon> Yeh but to what limit?
24:08 <T3sl4> maybe not with arduino, might have to work a little harder to get there, but :P
24:23 <Halcyon> I'd imagine it would be limited by the baud rate of the serial connection, rather than the display itself
24:39 <Nothing\> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/SSD1306.pdf
24:43 <Nothing\> there's the datasheet
25:20 <T3sl4> like the uh, i did this thing https://i.imgur.com/tdApTG1.mp4 which updates a 240x160 area, 16 bits/pixel, you can see it's pretty laggy when turning a wide angle up close
25:34 <T3sl4> (also over serial)
25:59 <Halcyon> It just says "programmable frame rate"
26:15 <T3sl4> that's a hell of a lot more pixels and bits, it's pretty reasonable to get full speed on something a bit smaller
26:34 <Nothing\> https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210924202620&origin=y&SearchText=ssd1306
26:35 <Halcyon> I mean not that you'd use it for video or anything
26:40 <Halcyon> But it would still be a neat thing
26:48 <Nothing\> and there's a whole buncha modules like what i was using
26:57 <Nothing\> apparently they're down to about $2.50 now
27:34 <Nothing\> but for this one, i'd like to use it as a display in a thermometer
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29:14 <Nothing\> or in my head i'm imagining some sort of interface for an SRAM module
29:29 <Nothing\> or the EEPROM
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29:37 <Nothing\> in the arduino
31:12 <Nothing\> have it save the temperatures to the arduino's eeprom every so often, and use a series of push switches to navigate through memory addresses which would be displayed on the screen, then when the screen displays the address you want to examine you press another button and it displays the contents
31:40 <Nothing\> so you can see what temperature it was at was time (after doing a bit of math) without needing a computer to read the data
31:43 <Halcyon> Got to go check on my pork crackling
31:55 <Nothing\> mmmm pork
32:01 <Nothing\> you lucky bugger
32:22 <Nothing\> i just had macaroni and cheese for dinner
32:35 <Nothing\> classic canadian dinner
32:40 <Nothing\> kraft dinner!
33:00 <jaymax> Ohhhh Terrance!
33:17 * Nothing\ farts on jaymax
33:23 <jaymax> Hahahahha
33:32 <T3sl4> fuckin canucks
33:44 <Nothing\> lol
33:58 <jaymax> As is the tradition
34:05 <Nothing\> i've actually convinced americans before that we use metric time in canada
34:31 <jaymax> Nothing\ is secretly Rick Mercer?
34:50 <Nothing\> rick mercer's better than i thought he was
35:09 <Nothing\> i binged watched a bunch of his segments on youtube
35:31 <Nothing\> but normally i don't care for original canadian media
35:34 <jaymax> Have you watech the Talking to Americans special then?
35:41 <jaymax> *watched
35:55 <Nothing\> lol no
36:03 <jaymax> Do eet.
36:07 <Nothing\> that sounds like something i should do
36:09 <Nothing\> indeed
36:17 <Nothing\> let's see if it's on youtube
36:33 <jaymax> It's old, the bulk of which during the 2000 primaries.
36:44 <Nothing\> oh nice
36:45 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHUWas-yQSw
36:51 <Nothing\> whole thing's up there
37:12 <Nothing\> so what'd you think of thisk election?
37:21 <Nothing\> also did you vote and if so, for whom?
37:55 <jaymax> A bunch of the same, just 610 million dollars poorer. It could have went much worse.
37:56 <Nothing\> personally i didn't even bother voting because I woulda voted VDP but they didn't have a snowball's chance in hell so what was the point
38:25 <Nothing\> yeah it's like they went to all this trouble and what's change? nothing at all
39:04 <Nothing\> still have the same minority liberal gonvernment we had going into it. Which is fine by me.
39:13 <jaymax> I had already mentioned my strategy - I vote, but it's never for the current election. I want the popular vote to be the threat to first past the post.
39:28 <Nothing\> the only reason trudeau called this election was so his government could get a majority riding
39:41 <Nothing\> yeah lol
39:42 <jaymax> So I "waste" my vote on Green
39:49 <Nothing\> man
40:02 <Nothing\> i remember in my 20's so many of my friends voted for the green party
40:09 <jaymax> But any fringe party will do.
40:12 <Nothing\> because they thought they were the ones who were pro-cannabis
40:30 <jaymax> Lul that Mark Emery represented the PPC.
40:38 <Nothing\> did he really?
40:42 <jaymax> He *is* the weed party
40:50 <Nothing\> mark emery is?
40:54 <jaymax> He did - in Ontario IIRC
41:27 <jaymax> Well, was when pot was a decent election issue like two decades ago,
41:37 <Nothing\> right
41:44 <Nothing\> brb
42:10 <jaymax> bbitm (be back in the morning)
43:43 <Nothing\> aye
44:13 <jaymax> cheers, but i must sleep
44:45 <Nothing\> cheers, have a good one man
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21:22 <steve30> *purr*
22:33 <steve30> I keep getting people from Australia browsing my recon.com profile.
22:48 <Halcyon> Maybe they like the British boys :P
27:25 <steve30> How do english guys compare to australian ones?
27:58 <Halcyon> You guys talk funny :P
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29:17 <steve30> on that subject, someone subscribed to me on youtube yesterday. I looked at his channel and it says he is also subscribed to the report of the week.
29:47 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
44:46 <steve30> brb
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48:02 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2wsYBLb32Y
48:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Bin day in the UK 🇬🇧
48:14 <Halcyon> These guys don't do a bad British accent :P
48:25 <Halcyon> I don't quite understand the bin day concept though?
49:40 <steve30> well, the bin men come round once per week to empty the bins. Hence bin day.
49:52 <steve30> Ours is Friday
51:24 <Halcyon> No I get that
51:28 <Halcyon> But what's with the banter?
52:03 <Halcyon> Bin night for me is Sunday night
52:34 <steve30> I'm not sure in that particular case, but it could be that the ratling noise of the bin attracts the attention of other people, or it could be that certain people rountinely put their bins out at the exact same time each week and that's the only time they see each other.
52:49 <Halcyon> Oh I see
52:50 <Nothing\> man that's cool
53:05 <Halcyon> What is Nothing\ ?
53:27 <steve30> We don't put our bins out here, as our bins are in a private (ish) area which the bin men drive into.
53:47 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
53:48 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i've been playing fallout vegas lately and looking on google maps, i just found the first few towns you start off in
54:04 <Halcyon> I don't know what Fallout Vegas is
54:11 <Nothing\> i knew some of it was based on reality, but didn't realize those little towns were too
54:40 <Nothing\> oh it's a really good game imo, a combination of a first person shooter and an RGP
54:46 <Nothing\> RPG
55:32 <Nothing\> i just thought it was cool they put thta much detail into the game
59:53 <steve30> I'd like to go out later but i'm tired.
00:01 <steve30> I haven't slept well for a couple of days
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44:44 <Halcyon> Afternoon all
47:10 <Ysjoelfir> morningses
47:13 <steve30> hi
49:12 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
49:42 * Ysjoelfir thugs T3sl4 and pets steve30
49:55 <T3sl4> oi!
51:18 <Ysjoelfir> oi! oi fucking oi!
51:45 * steve30 curls up on Ysjoelfir's lap
52:59 * Ysjoelfir reads a lullaby to steve30
53:26 <Ysjoelfir> I am digging through a product catalog for a chinese supplier of office chairs. their translations are so.... genius
53:36 <steve30> I'm pondering having curry
54:30 * T3sl4 gives steve30 an especially hot curry, watches and waits
55:03 <Ysjoelfir> The Eiffel Tower is one of the symbols Of Paris. It is the French Architect Gustave Eiffel,
55:04 <Ysjoelfir> which is called “Iron Lady” by the French. He is known as the three famous buildings in the
55:04 <Ysjoelfir> West, together with the Empire State Building in New York and the TV Tower in Tokyo.
55:41 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't know that gustaf eifel was called the iron lady, and that he is the three famous buildings in the west xD
57:22 <T3sl4> no no, the object of that sentence is "French". He's just the three buildings
58:12 <Ysjoelfir> :P
58:21 <Ysjoelfir> the chair looks cool though
58:54 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/6Kep0Q.jpg
59:52 <steve30> ah ha, i was wondering what the reference to the eifel tower was about in regard to a chair
02:45 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir just likes to sit in his high towerchair
04:27 <Ysjoelfir> yeah ;)
04:37 <Ysjoelfir> with the eifel tower poking me in the back
07:54 Nick: Octane_ is now known as Octane
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09:30 * Ysjoelfir steals one C and two H from Octane
11:18 <T3sl4> you heptene be kidding
11:55 * Ysjoelfir adds double of that back
13:44 <T3sl4> they're having nonane of it
14:01 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :P
14:15 <Octane> C7HH16. :~(
14:23 <Octane> C7H16, too. :~(
15:29 <Ysjoelfir> well.. be happy that I didn't half you, stole one H and added 2 Os
15:30 <Octane> Turning me into heptane.
16:26 <Octane> Propynal? :~(
16:33 <Octane> I like Octane the way it is. :~(
17:34 <Ysjoelfir> Nah. I meant to turn you into C4H8O2.
19:06 <Octane> Oh.
20:31 <Ysjoelfir> everyone loves it, as it just smells so nice
21:35 * T3sl4 isomerizes Octane before Ysjoelfir can touch them again
21:41 <Ysjoelfir> lol
22:00 <Ysjoelfir> better than being butylic acid I suppose
23:16 <T3sl4> you won't butter up anyone with that attitude
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> no, you are right, that idea stinks
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47:49 <K> hello dumplings
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49:14 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Maultasche
49:15 <EEVBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
53:03 * T3sl4 shows K some heavy haloalkanes
53:16 * steve30 has beef curry
53:39 * Ysjoelfir just had a Mettbroetchen and another breadroll with scrambled egg
55:32 <K> y'll get fat
55:56 <Ysjoelfir> I already am /o\
56:52 <steve30> i've been doing a good job of getting fat
59:35 <K> dies it pay off?
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33:56 <Halcyon> I ate too much
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15:36 <Nothing\> damn, the original german lyrics for 99 red balloons were so much better
17:17 * T3sl4 lufts Nothing\
17:59 <K> the luft is too big
19:24 <Nothing\> aye
19:32 <Nothing\> T3sl4 needs to join the luftwaffle
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20:33 <Nothing\> it's funny, the color red is never once mentioned in the original song at all
21:01 <Nothing\> but it really doesn't work in english without a single syllable word there
21:05 <T3sl4> i assume it's a convenient translation liberty
21:10 <Nothing\> yeah
21:36 <Nothing\> cuz luft-ballon is just a regular balloon so you can't just say 99 balloons floating in the summer sky
21:45 <Nothing\> which it also never mentions anything about a summer sky
21:58 <Nothing\> they're floating towards the horizon in the original
22:34 <Nothing\> and they're mistaken by UFOs by the military, who then put on a nice "fireworks display"
23:03 <Nothing\> they realize it was just balloons, but other countries didn't know what was going on and thought they were under attack
23:14 <Nothing\> so all out war plays out for 99 years
23:29 <T3sl4> that's much darker than i would've thought
23:32 <Nothing\> she sings about how everyone wants to be a hero at first, everyone's a "captain kirk"
23:50 <Nothing\> then after 99 years of war, no more war ministers, no more jet planes, etc
23:58 <Nothing\> yeah it's a really deep song
24:34 <Nothing\> at the end the world is in ruins and the singer finds a balloon in the ruins
25:00 <Nothing\> the thing that started it all
25:30 <Nothing\> but yeah, the english version is so much more chipper, isn't it
26:14 <Nothing\> although the melody itself is rather chipper and upbeat
26:22 <Nothing\> melody and tempo
26:23 <T3sl4> yes
26:49 <Nothing\> drop it down to a flat key and lower tempo and i guarantee it'll sound 10x gloomier
27:11 <T3sl4> here's one like that, with a more direct/personal subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLlnreBwOQ
27:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Skullcrusher Mountain
27:22 <Nothing\> cool thanks
28:19 <Nothing\> damn
28:26 <Nothing\> this is actually pretty good
28:34 <Nothing\> and i don't say that lightly
28:52 <Nothing\> it's sorta like a mix of, i dunno, alternative with a hint of country
29:03 <Nothing\> and something else i can't put my finger on
29:15 <Nothing\> i'm not crazy about country but it works well in this case
29:18 <T3sl4> he does a lot of throwaway poppy songs with oddball subjects, it's pretty great
29:27 <Nothing\> that's it
29:28 <Nothing\> pop
29:54 <Nothing\> what year was this made?
29:58 <Nothing\> it doesn't sound recent
30:58 <T3sl4> read description
31:12 <Nothing\> ah
31:19 <Nothing\> of course!
31:21 <Nothing\> lol
31:43 <Nothing\> yeah that seems about right
31:53 <Nothing\> i woulda pegged it at the very late 90s
34:43 <T3sl4> other great songs: re your brains, creepy doll, code monkey, mandelbrot set, 1st of may, future soon, etc
38:47 <T3sl4> oh, and not to mention Still Alive and Want You Gone
38:51 <Nothing\> yeah i might check em out a bit more
39:06 <Nothing\> though i've gotta admit, i try to avoid music more than listen to it these days, much as i enjoy it
39:34 <T3sl4> either way
39:35 <Nothing\> but having OCD any music or tune or jingle or anything of that nature that i hear gets stuck in my head for days or weeks on end and just tortures me
39:41 <Nothing\> it's like real life bananaphone
40:06 <Nothing\> even avoiding music, i still think of errant tunes every now and then that get stuck in my head
40:30 <Nothing\> i listened to what a wonderful world a few weeks ago and it was in my head for 2 weeks
40:43 <Nothing\> although i was happy to have that one stuck in my head, kept me upbeat
41:10 <T3sl4> ah, so avoidance is a strategy
41:28 <T3sl4> have you tried saturation? go from one catchy tune to the next so it can never get stuck for too long :P
41:40 <Nothing\> yup
42:02 <Nothing\> yeah, one of them ends up stuck in my head inevitably
42:11 <Nothing\> or it'll cycle between a few
42:26 <Nothing\> but the worst part is it's usually just a 5 second chunk that repeats ad nauseum
42:35 <T3sl4> yeah
42:50 <Nothing\> and the more i fight it, the worse it gets
43:36 <Nothing\> i used to get other involuntary thoughts like worrying about people getting into car accidents and stuff
43:56 <Nothing\> i can't count how many times my mom's gone out and i was wholeheartedly convinced she wasn't coming back
44:22 <Nothing\> and i felt like the more i thought about the more likely something was to happen so that was fun
44:22 <T3sl4> yeah, that doesn't help
44:42 <Nothing\> but at least it's not that bad anymore
45:00 <Nothing\> it's ironic too cuz i used to be the most laid back person in the world
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12:28 <Nothing\> ugh
12:32 <Nothing\> i shouldn't have done that
12:38 <Nothing\> i knew i shouldn't have, but i did
12:51 <Nothing\> looked to see if my daughter has a facebook account, she does
13:09 <Nothing\> i couldn't even recognize her, it's so fucked up
13:34 * Nothing\ sighs
13:58 <Nothing\> i keep telling myself it was for the best to let her live her life, and i know it was. But god help me it still hurts like fuck
14:32 <Nothing\> i wish i could just come to terms with shit i have no control over like this, ya know
14:47 * Nothing\ sexy cries
15:06 <Nothing\> you know, where just a single tear rolls down your face like in the movies. The sexy cry.
15:33 * Nothing\ takes a breath
15:59 * Nothing\ tries to think of something meaningful
20:55 <jaymax> I had two displays get rained on for eight hours - dumbass me didn't close a window. Luckily they survived.
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25:19 <Nothing\> ick
25:31 <Nothing\> i've had that happen with a pile of books before. But never a display thankfully
25:49 <Nothing\> and i used to have my computer set up right in front of a window too so it's lucky that never happened
26:26 <Nothing\> with the books i just left a window open when i went out and the weather seemed fine. Then it ends up pissing rain right when i'm at the halfway point of my journey
28:19 <jaymax> This is a south-facing window that I rarely open anyway - there is another window on the east wall that is better for airflow. I was shitting bricks yesterday upon realizing.
29:54 <jaymax> I suppose the vent holes are in more convenient locations to my mistake.
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37:36 <K> meanwhile - https://ahseeit.com//king-include/uploads/2020/12/129076640_460930048229058_557841029232808028_n-8578777874.jpg
59:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
59:53 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
59:56 * Ampera hugs jaymax 
59:59 * Ampera potatoes K
01:04 <K> :|
01:14 * Ysjoelfir sticks Ampera into a bag and puts it to the potatoes
01:17 * Ysjoelfir hugs K
01:21 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
01:26 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir and K
01:41 <K> i is monday.
01:50 <Ysjoelfir> I is tired.
01:53 <Ysjoelfir> lots of that
02:02 <Ysjoelfir> and I must pee. brb
02:05 <Ampera> I am both tired and monday
02:06 <Ampera> I win
07:06 <K> there is no prize
07:20 <Ampera> is there ever one?
07:21 <K> congratulations
07:26 <K> no, not really.
07:49 <Nothing\> ah
07:55 <Nothing\> getting my second fauci ouchy today
08:18 <Nothing\> it's almost 2 weeks late cuz the stupid pharmacy has been dicking me around
08:33 <Nothing\> or apparently their supplier's dicking them around
08:59 <hsn> So .. https://youtu.be/jMmUoZh3Hq4
09:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The US electrical system is not 120V
09:05 <Nothing\> but i just happened to glimpse something on the local news about a vaccination clinic at the mall this week, so i'm going first thing today as soon as it opens
09:08 <K> dicking, dicking everywhere
09:18 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
09:19 <Nothing\> then i can get my vaccine passport
09:21 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
09:22 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
09:25 <Nothing\> which i don't even know what it's good for
09:34 * Nothing\ quadruple hugs Ampera <3
09:39 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
09:44 <Nothing\> i WAS alright
09:49 <Nothing\> but i made a big mistake earlier
09:57 <Nothing\> i knew it was a mistake, but i did it anyways
10:03 <Nothing\> and now i regret it
10:10 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:15 <Nothing\> decided to see if my daughter has a facebook page, which she does
10:20 <Ampera> No I saw
10:23 <Nothing\> yeah
10:32 <Nothing\> that one got me right in the feels
11:00 <Nothing\> it's scary, she looks just like her mother
11:17 <Nothing\> but she's got my freckles i had when i was a kid and my brother had as well
11:35 <Nothing\> although my brother was full on gingervitis so it woulda been weird if he didn't have any freckles
12:21 <Nothing\> you know, i wonder if any other hair or eye colors are possible, but just aren't seen in humans because they've never come about genetically
12:38 <Nothing\> like how some rare people have grey eyes
12:40 * Ampera splashses some blue hair dye at Nothing\ 
12:44 <Ampera> I have grey eyes.
12:56 <Nothing\> neat
13:01 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what color my eyes are
13:02 <Ampera> it's even marked on my license as such
13:05 <K> i have two eyes
13:11 <Ampera> K, I don't believe you
13:11 <Ysjoelfir> mine change between grey and brown.
13:12 <Nothing\> i guess blue in some lighting, green in other lighting
13:15 <Nothing\> depends
13:20 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, yes, exactly like that
13:29 <Ampera> My dad's eyes were grey and my mother's blue
13:39 <Ampera> so mine are grey, but closer to blue, iirc
13:46 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, i think it's down to the fact that your iris actually has two pigmented sections
14:14 <Nothing\> and if those sections are two different colors, it can make your eye appear to be two different colors, dpending on lighting and things of that nature
14:34 <Nothing\> btw just an off hand question out of curiosity
14:44 <Nothing\> if i were taking a picture in dark would i user a low or high iso setting
14:53 <Ysjoelfir> high
14:56 <Nothing\> okay
15:15 <Nothing\> so the higher the iso setting, the higher the number of silver whatever grains in the film
15:19 <Nothing\> if it were film
15:28 <Nothing\> silver chloride?
16:25 <Nothing\> because i know that's where the term originates from, photographic film had silver chloride crystals impregnated into it and you could have film with more grains for shooting in lower light levels
16:42 <Nothing\> but in higher light levels it would leave your picture looking grainy and over exposed
17:13 <Nothing\> i could never remember if it was higher iso for low light or lower though
17:53 <Nothing\> but i guess if the iso number corresponds to the number of silver chloride grains then the more grains, the more sensitive to light it would be, hense higher iso setting for lower light
18:41 <Nothing\> hey i had another question
18:59 <Nothing\> how come they don't make a sort of video processing shield for the raspberry pi
19:45 <Nothing\> or is the gpio bus just not fast enough to accommodate any meaningful video buffer
21:04 * Ampera gets up to go make tea
21:40 <Kuschelpony> wow, the hifi people have done measurements and found out that a differential connection to an amplifier considerably decreases noise pickup
21:43 <K> higher iso == more amplification == more noise
22:35 <K> more amplification == less dynamic range
23:08 <Nothing\> interesting
23:10 <Nothing\> The state-of-the-art BME680 breakout lets you measure temperature, pressure, humidity, and indoor air quality, and the best part is that it’s Arduino-compatible!
23:15 <Nothing\> i think i might get one of these
23:24 <Nothing\> puts the DHT11 to shame
23:32 <Nothing\> and i've been wanting a digital barometer
24:12 <Nothing\> K, what sources would cause visual noise on a digital photograph?
24:20 <Nothing\> thermal, obviously
24:43 <K> amplification noise
24:55 <Nothing\> the only other thing that comes to mind is radiation, but besides the odd rare cosmic ray that's not gonna be an issue on the ground
25:18 <Nothing\> right so there's a tiny signal that gets amplified into something you can actually percieve
25:35 <Nothing\> but what's the original cause of that tiny signal in the first place?
25:37 <K> shot noise too
25:50 <K> as well as quantization noise when reading pixel values
26:15 * steve30 still can't sleep
26:48 <Nothing\> i guess it can pick up AC from mains
27:13 <K> don't think that contributes
27:16 <Nothing\> i've measured over 700mv peak to peak just across my own body from mains noise
27:23 <Kuschelpony> sorry steve
27:49 <hsn> And make it 2 sorries from me ..
28:14 <Nothing\> scopes should come standard with a bandpass filter with 60hz on the low end and whatever high frequency you want on the high end
28:38 <Nothing\> or just a high pass filter if you don't want to filter out any high frequencies
28:55 <Ampera> the water is in the kettle
28:58 <K> uh, i am pretty sure scope manufacturers know what they are doing
29:01 <Ampera> I repeat, the water is in the kettle
29:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'm still waiting for my mum to get up so i can get an iced cap
29:25 <K> but where is the kettle?
29:26 <Nothing\> K, i dunno, mine picks up 60hz noise all the time
29:31 <Ampera> tea > coffee
29:33 <Ampera> no exceptions
29:56 <K> tea is preferable
30:05 <Nothing\> hrm i wanna learn more of the arduino coding language
30:20 <Nothing\> but i just can't think of any way to practice things like arrays
30:25 <Nothing\> or file handling
30:29 <Ampera> just make sure you guys are smarter than the guy who needs the instructions on the packet of tea on how to make it.
30:53 <Nothing\> actually
31:12 <Nothing\> i guess for arrays i could have say, 8 LEDs connected to an IO pin each
31:23 <Nothing\> then treat the IO pins as an array
31:37 <Nothing\> or the pointer for them anyway
31:54 <K> arduino coding language is just C++
32:01 <Nothing\> use arrays instead of an int for each of them
32:06 <Nothing\> k:that's what i heard
32:11 <Nothing\> but others tell me it's c
32:23 <Nothing\> and i notice bits of both languages in it
32:33 <Nothing\> so i really don't know what to call it
32:39 <Nothing\> c+?
32:44 <K> default aruduino ide does not use much of C++ features
32:56 <Nothing\> ah
33:14 <K> due to very limited dynamic memory support
33:15 <Nothing\> frankly i wouldn't mind taking a crack at AVR assembly
33:32 <Nothing\> i have an USB to SPI adapter
33:55 <Nothing\> i think that might be helpful for uploading assembled... assembly programs
34:42 <Nothing\> though something tells me avr assembly isn't gonna be like 8051 assembly
34:47 <Nothing\> or 6502
35:18 * Ampera starts a fire
35:20 <Nothing\> and that there's really no reason to learn it unless i had a specifci reason
35:29 * Ampera begins putting things in the fire, like memories, and emotions
35:38 * Ampera dances in the fire
35:41 <Ampera> :D:D:D:D
35:42 <Nothing\> Ampera, have you ever seen that video of the japanese guy who sets his apartment on fire?
35:51 <rust_collector> Ampera can you put a horse in the fire for me?
36:00 * Ampera puts rust_collector's horse in the fire
36:06 <Ampera> neigh
36:07 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
36:13 <Ampera> Nothing\, which one
36:27 <Ampera> more than one japanese male who has set his domicile alight.
36:33 <Ampera> *there is more
36:33 <Nothing\> he's playing with this reusable match, which i gather is this metal stick thing you fill with fluid then strike against a flint and the match lights
36:46 <Ampera> wow
36:48 <Nothing\> but the guy spilled lighter fluid everywhere so when he struck the match, the whole thing went up
36:52 <Ampera> people will do whatever they can to avoid using a bbq lighter
37:12 <Nothing\> and the puts the flaming, well it might as well be a zippo, into the garbage
37:15 <Ampera> matches > lighters though
37:22 <Nothing\> full of kleenex and papers and other stuff
37:34 <Nothing\> then when that starts going up, he covers it with a cardboard box
38:00 <Nothing\> then puts it in the corner and leaves the room for a minute or so, returning with a cup of water which he feeble throws on the fire
38:04 <K> not the pointiest chopstick in the drawer then, eh
38:18 <Nothing\> long story short, within less than 5 minutes his apartment was completely engulfed in flames
38:22 * Ampera challenges K to a fencing duel, with chopsticks
38:28 <Ampera> en garde
38:28 <Nothing\> all you can see is orange, yellow and smoke
38:51 <Ampera> Nothing\, just because he set his apartment on fire doesn't mean you have to call him yellow.
38:58 <K> potat does not want me to chopstick
39:22 <Ampera> now i want to go to the store, buy potat, make home fries, and eat them with chopsticks just to spite you
39:22 <Nothing\> here's the full video Ampera
39:24 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzsA_JssoM
39:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Japanese Streamer Home Fire | English subtitles
39:39 <Nothing\> i heard he was playing minecraft at the time
39:57 <Ampera> oh then that's fine
40:04 <Nothing\> oh yeah he got out okay
40:07 <Ampera> it'll only be a few hours to rebuild it
40:14 <Nothing\> lol
40:34 <Nothing\> yeah he's just gotta find some stone for the walls and wood for the floor and furniture
40:46 <Nothing\> and some redstone for his computer
41:00 <Nothing\> oh man that redstone logic is so frustrating
41:01 <Ampera> this is a good comment: "I love how in the process of trying to put the fire out, he did everything necessary to build a fire. He started small with paper towel and lighter fluid. That stuff catches easily but won't burn for long. It would run out of fuel in short time, and might have only damaged the desktop a bit. He then moved that 'ember' into a basket with more paper and fuel, giving it more to spread to. Once he had a nice pil
41:01 <Ampera> going, he moved it toward an open area, fanned it with fresh air, and then added material that takes a bit to catch but burns hotter and longer (cardboard and the comforter). He then left it all on the fire to properly burn. In terms of building a fire up, he did everything perfectly."
41:33 <Nothing\> hahahaha
41:36 <Nothing\> that's so true
41:47 <Nothing\> but no, about the redstone logic
42:07 <Ampera> tea has been made
42:41 <Nothing\> i've had so many conversations with people where i'd be telling them about this program i use to build/design digital circuits called logisim where you can build your own cpu and memory, or calculator, or a full computer
42:46 <Nothing\> and they'll outright refuse
42:57 <Nothing\> saying they prefer building circuits in minecraft
43:06 <Nothing\> like that's an actual useful skill
43:07 <Ampera> I refuse because I'm lazy
43:25 <Nothing\> i mean don't get me wrong, it's great that redstone gets people interested in logic and digital circuits
43:46 <Nothing\> but when it makes them so dependent on using it that they refuse to move forward it's just frustrating
43:59 <Nothing\> especially when logisim is soooo much easier than minecraft
44:15 <Ampera> maybe people want to play minecraft
44:19 <Ampera> and logic simulation is only a part of it
44:22 <Nothing\> minecraft you've gotta dick about and fiddlefart with redstone to make a simple logic gate
44:31 <Nothing\> logisim you just click the gate you want and place it
44:32 <Ampera> redpower2
44:45 <Ampera> has discrete gates you can play with
44:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, in some cases i'd believe that
44:58 <Nothing\> but there are some people who are just stuck in their ways
45:06 <Ampera> the main issue with logic simulation in minecraft is that you have a max tick rate of 20hz
45:13 <Nothing\> i dunno, maybe it's me who's wrong for trying to force my ways on others?
45:21 <K> yes
45:37 <Ampera> yes
45:54 <Nothing\> but if they're serious about digital circuits and logic they would push themselves outside of their comfort zone
45:55 <Ampera> whatever choice which makes me the most hypocritical please
46:01 <rust_collector> it is always your fault...
46:05 <Ampera> yeah
46:08 <Ampera> we can't be blamed
46:12 <Ampera> we are perfect
46:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, a wise, but hypocritical statement is still wise
46:40 <Nothing\> it's like i say, good advice from someone you hate/dislike is still good advice
46:49 <Ampera> I hate myself and my advice.
47:13 <Ampera> your proverbs are inapplicable to my very specific life situation, therefore you are entirely wrong and should be sad
47:17 <Nothing\> cuz people are so quick to dismiss good advice they get from somebody just because they don't like them or don't believe the same things as them or have some other grievance with them that's unrelated
47:49 <Ampera> That's just like Hitler and the EU.
47:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, by virtue of their generalistic nature, proverbs unfortunately cannot apply to everyone
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48:12 <Ampera> Hitler wanted a unified europe, and even though he failed because his ego was too big, future politicians succeeded
48:23 <Ampera> now we have a Europe dominated by Germany where everyone lives in peace
48:34 <Nothing\> except the UK
48:42 <Ampera> you need to make specific generalizations.
48:55 <Nothing\> lol
49:08 <Ampera> they're too generic
49:12 <rust_collector> oh yes, the uk war
49:38 * Nothing\ puffs his cannabis extract vape pen
49:44 <Nothing\> 85% THC
49:58 <rust_collector> I wonder why anyone needs to know that, lol
50:14 <Nothing\> cuz it makes me look like a big man
50:21 <rust_collector> uhm
50:42 <Ampera> 85% THC, 100% THICC
50:56 <rust_collector> you could try to not be so short. that makes you look bigger
51:19 <Nothing\> i considered walking on my toes like a cat or a horse does
51:27 <Nothing\> just to give me a few extra inches
51:35 <rust_collector> good idea
51:43 <Nothing\> if you're familiar with the anatomy of cat or horse feet
51:44 <Ampera> they make special shoes to do that
51:51 <Nothing\> or undulates
51:59 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol yeah but not for guys
52:08 <Ampera> that's sexist
52:16 <Nothing\> no ur
52:31 <rust_collector> ballet dancers have weird shoes.
52:37 <Ampera> I was a ballet dancer
52:47 <Ampera> if you mean the ones where you can toe completely, they're kinda interesting
52:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah it makes standing "en pointe" much easier
52:53 <Ampera> they have a little solid block on the tip
53:00 <Nothing\> also ballet dancers have disgustingly deformed feet
53:10 <Ampera> however, those a special shoes, not used by all ballet dancers
53:10 <Nothing\> have you ever seen what ballet does to the dancers' feet?
53:15 <Nothing\> it's horrifying
53:18 <Ampera> when I was doing ballet, we just had simple flat shoes
53:21 <Nothing\> seriously
53:35 <rust_collector> I don't care, because they are the the ones who want to do it
53:48 <Nothing\> rust_collector, not necessarily
53:52 <Ampera> yeah, you should be able to mame, disfigure, and destroy your body in whichever way you want, without harming others
53:54 <rust_collector> if they want to mess up their feet, that is fine
54:19 <Nothing\> my cousins all danced and out of 3 only 1 actually pursued a career and that wound up being in acting because his knees were blown out from dancing by the time he was 20
54:30 <Nothing\> he's already had several surgeries on his knees
54:38 <rust_collector> the chinese thing with breaking and wrapping kids feet is not so great, but if someone wants to, then sure
54:46 <Nothing\> but my other 2 cousins didn't want to dance
54:58 <Nothing\> though they still did a few years because my aunt made them
55:04 <Ampera> rust_collector, we have a similar concept in NY
55:07 <Nothing\> so it's not always the dancers' decision
55:13 <Ampera> except instead of kid's feet, it's their legs and kneecaps
55:19 <Nothing\> Ampera, did you do any other dancing? or just ballet?
55:21 <Ampera> and instead of wrapping, we just sorta leave them in the street
55:27 <Ampera> ballet, "jazz" and "modern"
55:33 <Nothing\> right on
55:38 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what my cousin did
55:47 <Ampera> I performed in a local rendition of the nutcracker twice
55:54 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure he did tap
56:05 <Nothing\> i think i went to a performance once and it was tap
56:14 <Nothing\> some christmas shindig
56:22 <Ampera> Sometimes I wonder what sort of disparate future I'd be in if I had continued doing it.
56:28 <Ampera> Maybe I'd be happy with my life
56:31 * Ampera shudders
56:32 <Nothing\> how long did you dance?
56:33 <Ampera> perish the thought
56:37 <Ampera> 4-5 years or so
56:43 <Nothing\> what age?
56:53 <Ampera> I think 5-9-ish
57:06 <Nothing\> right on. So you weren't a huge fan then?
57:15 <Ampera> I liked it, I quit for a quite stupid reason
57:22 <Nothing\> why's that?
57:32 <Nothing\> i never liked any of the activities my mum tried to get me into
57:33 <Ampera> whenever I watched back the video of our recital performances, I didn't like the way I looked while dancing
57:35 <Ampera> so I stopped
57:42 <Ampera> perfectly enjoyed doing it
57:45 <Ampera> just stopped
57:48 <Nothing\> aww that's sad man
57:54 <Nothing\> i'm sorry
58:00 <Nothing\> and i know it's not my fault etc etc
58:01 <Ampera> why are you sorry and why is it sad
58:14 <Ampera> I made that decision around 10 years ago
58:21 <Nothing\> it's sad because i sympathize with you
58:29 <Ampera> as far as I'm concerned that was a different person who is now dead.
58:29 <rust_collector> that is sad, lol
58:35 <Nothing\> it's sad because i'm human and humans are social creatures
58:37 <Ampera> I do not care about him, nor do I relate with him.
58:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, i know that feeling all too well
58:46 <Ampera> humans are social creatures?
58:48 <Ampera> fuck.
58:51 <Nothing\> yup
58:58 <Ampera> alright, brb I'm changing my species
58:59 <Nothing\> we're supposed to be
59:04 <Ampera> oh
59:06 <Ampera> just supposed to?
59:09 <Ampera> eh, I can live with that
59:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol did you ever see that episode of south park where kyle's dad has plastic surgery to become a dolphin?
59:43 <Nothing\> and kyle has surgery to become a tall, black basketball player
59:51 <Nothing\> with his testicles in his knees
00:11 <Nothing\> oh man i've gotta find that episode now that was a good one
00:12 <Ampera> what's south park
00:31 <Nothing\> something that used to be amazing
00:45 <Ampera> oh, like society?
00:53 <Nothing\> yeah...
00:58 <Ampera> I hate society
01:00 <Ampera> glad it's dead
01:01 * Nothing\ sighs
01:12 <Nothing\> yeah, me too. except the second thing
01:19 <Nothing\> i wish it were still alive
01:23 <Nothing\> i miss the 90's
01:27 <Nothing\> soo much
01:36 <Nothing\> it actually hurts physically sometimes
01:44 <Ampera> I miss the 90's too.
01:49 <Ampera> I often lay in bed, wishing I was in the 90's
01:54 <Nothing\> i bet YOU do
02:00 <Ampera> lol
02:08 <rust_collector> you should move to venezuela
02:10 <Nothing\> no, i know how you feel
02:15 <Ampera> you do?
02:17 <Ampera> get out of my head
02:17 <Nothing\> i really hate being in this world too
02:28 <Ampera> hippity hoppity, get off my mental property
02:31 <Nothing\> i hate having a body
02:35 <Nothing\> i hate having a mind
02:40 <Ampera> I like having a body and mind
02:40 <Nothing\> i hate having a brain
02:43 <Ampera> I just wish it wasn't this body and mind
02:48 <Nothing\> yeah
02:57 <Nothing\> i remember how i used to be
03:03 <Nothing\> not as many worries
03:14 <Nothing\> happy as could be to go out and hang out with friends
03:27 <Nothing\> or hop on a bus and go to another city to meet up with a girl
03:46 <Nothing\> not afraid to have an adventure or to put myself out there
03:47 <rust_collector> you had a bus...
04:14 <Nothing\> now i can't even leave the house for a fucking doctor's appointment without having a panic attack and having to cancel it
04:32 <Nothing\> i gave up after trying to make plans to meet up with an old friend of mine 3 times
04:38 <Nothing\> and i don't even know why
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04:59 <Nothing\> every time i leave the house it's a struggle and i don't understand why
05:12 <Nothing\> i just want to be who i was again
05:36 <Ampera> you are who you are, and whoever you wish to be is within yourself to grasp
05:45 <Ampera> you must only find the power within yourself to do it
05:54 <Nothing\> i want to be one of those people who goes through life without thinking or worrying about anything besides regular stuff like bills and work and stuff
06:10 <Ampera> HTTP404: Not Found
06:27 <Nothing\> i don't want to be a person who just going outside is a monumental task for
06:35 <Nothing\> nevermind living a normal life
06:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, tell that to yourself
07:00 <Ampera> I have.
07:10 <Nothing\> i hope you believed it
07:13 <Ampera> I did.
07:13 <Nothing\> i really do
07:14 <Ampera> it helped
07:30 <Ampera> that's why I am transitioning, the process is beyond the point where I'd feel safe reversing it.
07:33 <Nothing\> that's good, i'm really glad you've had success with something
07:52 <Nothing\> that you've found yourself
07:56 <Ampera> and it should be proof to you that you are capable of helping yourself too
07:57 <Nothing\> and found your way
07:58 <Ampera> at any point in your life
08:01 <Ampera> no matter the difficulty
08:13 <Nothing\> i don't know about those last two
08:20 <Nothing\> but yeah, it's definitely possible at times
08:25 <Ampera> The mind is an engine which runs on optimism.
08:36 <Ampera> If you have no optimism, then you have no energy to accomplish any tasks.
08:51 <Ampera> However, if you work to find your own optimism, you will be able to power yourself through any struggle.
08:56 <Nothing\> you need the optimism to combat the entropy
09:24 <Nothing\> the entropy that's constantly eating away at you and your life
23:38 <Nothing\> okay guess i'll go get my microchip put in now
23:45 <Nothing\> i mean, my covid vaccine
23:49 <Nothing\> ta ta
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09:02 <electrohead> o/
09:11 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
09:12 <Ampera> how are you doing
09:49 <electrohead> tired, come work for me lol
10:01 <Ampera> I'm working for me at the moment
10:13 <Ampera> spinning up the wheels of regression now that my testing environments are sorta kinda working
10:24 <Ampera> after work I plan to overhaul my password management infrastructure
10:33 <Ampera> since I have none, and it's driving me up a wall.
28:12 <electrohead> keepassx?
31:58 <Ampera> I'm planning on using pass
32:17 <Ampera> https://www.passwordstore.org/
32:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager
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57:57 <Nothing\> PLOINK
58:12 <Nothing\> i'm making a falling edge detector
58:40 <Nothing\> i was surprised to see a design for one in the TI datasheet for the 74hc02 so i figured i'd give it a go
58:57 <Nothing\> didn't expect to see anything in the applications section for jellybean logic chips
59:00 <Ampera> Nothing\, did you get shot up?
59:16 <Nothing\> no, my dumb ass read the advert wrong
59:27 <Nothing\> it was for july 27th
59:32 <Nothing\> not september
59:35 <Ampera> uh?
59:39 <Ampera> so you missed it?
59:54 <Nothing\> i dunno why the local paper's site had a link to that twitter post
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