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00:42 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.redd.it/29lgzenavfo71.jpg
03:14 <steve30> meow
07:54 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW Video on EEVblog2! Buying Residential VS Commercial Real Estate For An Office? https://t.co/v8QOmIZlET
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51:53 <Nothing\> you know what
52:06 <Nothing\> even though another channelwhose name escapes me already did it before
52:19 <Nothing\> i'd like to make a peltier device refrigerator
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53:18 <Nothing\> although i'm not sure how big they are. I always imagined a peltier device is about the size of a standard CPU, like an athlon II or something of that nature
53:27 <Nothing\> maybe 2x2 inches
53:31 <T3sl4> you can get em for RVs
53:34 <T3sl4> they don't work well
53:48 <Nothing\> yeah i know peltier devices are terribly inefficient
53:56 <Nothing\> i just wanna make it to explore the science
53:57 <watcher> Nothing\ there are different sizes
54:08 <Nothing\> watcher, oh are there
54:20 <Nothing\> i was gonna get those tec1 ones
54:21 * T3sl4 👀 watcher
54:33 <Nothing\> but i need to figure out what the current means
55:03 <watcher> the standard peltier devices are around a cpu size
57:59 <Nothing\> cuz there's like the tec1-12706 with an imax of 6.4 amps or a 12705 with an imax of 5.3 or a 12710 with an imax of 10.5 amps or 12715 with an imax of 15 amps
58:22 <Nothing\> but all other metrics are the same for them all
58:40 <watcher> are the fluke dmm test leads realy the best on the market or just high-end and from fluke so a lot of fanboy and marketing
58:41 <Nothing\> so i'm wondering what's significant about the Imax
00:07 <Nothing\> i wish postings for multimeter leads on aliexpress or amazing would actually say what the insulation is made of cuz it's a real craps shoot whether you get something that's actually flexible, or that cheap crap that's stiff as a board and knocks all sorts of stuff off of your bench
00:18 <Nothing\> *amazon
00:22 <T3sl4> ali, you know better
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01:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, hey, my uni-t meter i got on amazon came with good leads
02:01 <Nothing\> and actually, i've gotten some good clip style leads that had flexible insulation
03:26 <Nothing\> not alligator clips, i can't seem to find those for some reason besides giant 3/4in wide ones, but the little clippies where you press the button and they slide out of the plastic bit
03:42 <T3sl4> well, the standard junk is whatever copper plated wire, ordinary PVC insulation, and clip ends
03:45 <Nothing\> it's basically just a copper hook
04:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, good point
04:02 <T3sl4> grabbers
04:07 <Nothing\> you think that's bad
04:17 <Nothing\> i got some feeler gauges on there
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04:35 <Nothing\> actually i think it was amazon come to think of it
04:48 <Nothing\> either way, they were drenched in machine oil when i got them
05:11 <T3sl4> my clip leads measure, somewhere around 0.2 ohm
05:23 <T3sl4> about 2' long, and i don't think that's contact resistance
05:23 <Nothing\> i had to slide them out and carefully wipe them down, one by one. And even then I couldn't get all of the oil.
05:34 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah that's about what i get from mine
05:45 <Nothing\> and they're maybe 1-2 feet
05:53 <Nothing\> closer to 1 i think
06:24 * electrohead yawns and waves
06:27 <Nothing\> i have a nice tester attachment for my uni-t meter though
06:45 * T3sl4 clips alligators to electrohead's nipples
06:53 <electrohead> lmao
06:58 <electrohead> hey man, good morning
07:05 <T3sl4> o/
07:21 <watcher> o/
07:31 <Nothing\> you just pop it right into the banana plugs and it has an assortment of plates and holes and what not for inserting a resistor or capacitor
07:31 <electrohead> o/
07:36 <electrohead> it's a party.
07:52 <Nothing\> or even some for transistors which my meter doesn't do cuz it's a real meter, but whatever
08:13 <Nothing\> so you get as little parasitic resistance from the leads and cords as possible
08:34 <Nothing\> also electrohead o=
08:37 <Nothing\> .\
08:40 <Nothing\> o/
08:44 <Nothing\> :P
09:46 <Nothing\> i'm not sure that i trust my meter's capacitance meter though
11:25 <arch> T3sl4, on this page https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/DC-DC_RE/index.html , if you scroll down and look at the output ripple, doesn't it look like subharmonic oscillation? https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/DC-DC_RE/Images/Wave_OUT_Ripple.png
11:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reverse Engineering: 5V Converter | Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
11:35 <arch> they seem to be uneven
11:54 <T3sl4> did i make note of that in the text? i dont remember
12:00 <Nothing\> i have a $10 LC meter that seems to be a lot more accurate compared to my own capacitance measurements. Which I did by taking a 555, using resistors with values known to within a value of 1 ohm, then pop a capacitor into the circuit, and based on the frequency i could determine the capacitor's value
12:06 <arch> you did not
12:08 <T3sl4> more likely inbalance in the two paired outputs
12:18 <arch> oo
12:59 <T3sl4> it's voltage mode so it's not period doubling
14:06 <Nothing\> man i've been so happy since discovering how to set keyboard shortcuts in win 10 to run any shortcut you want
14:28 <Nothing\> but i've been paranoid of accidentally setting a shortcut that already has a function
14:53 <Nothing\> though the only shortcuts it lets you set are prefixed with Ctrl+Windows
15:08 <Nothing\> so i dunno how many shortcuts if any use that
17:07 <Nothing\> somebody mentioned the other day about putting a shortcut to a folder or something like that in your taskbar. I added one but I can't remember what I did. I'd love to do it again so I can just make a folder full of shortcuts to games and interesting programs and websites and stuff and put it in my taskbar
17:23 <Nothing\> was that you T3sl4?
19:13 <T3sl4> nah
19:18 <Nothing\> dang
19:26 <T3sl4> isn't that called the "start menu"?
19:30 <electrohead> lol
19:35 <Nothing\> nah it's something else
19:46 <Nothing\> and you ca'nt add shortcuts to the start menu in win 10
20:12 <Nothing\> it was so much nicer when you could just drag and drop shortcuts to it like that
21:04 <watcher> https://www.windowscentral.com/best-windows-10-keyboard-shortcuts
21:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - List of all Windows 10 keyboard shortcuts: The ultimate guide | Windows Central
21:41 <Nothing\> that's right it's something to do with adding a toolbar
21:53 <Nothing\> to the taskbar
22:32 <Nothing\> i think i figured it it, you go to add new tool bar, then add a folder as a toolbar
22:45 * electrohead deletes all of Nothing\'s icons, replacing everything with commands
23:04 <Nothing\> and it puts an icon for the folder there which displays the directory contents when you click it
23:28 * T3sl4 deCLInes electrohead
23:37 <Nothing\> so you can fill it with shortcuts to everything you want and you've got all the shortcuts you want and not just to apps
23:42 <Nothing\> to websites too
23:53 <Nothing\> or anything you can create a shortcut to
25:01 <Nothing\> or if you right click a shortcut, there's a field to set a keybord shortcut to run whatever app it's a shortcut for
25:29 <Nothing\> which is super useful, if you can keep track of your shortcits
33:51 * steve30 wonders what food to have
35:28 <arch> i dumped all the videos by this prof, Sam Ben Yaakov. he's really good at explaining smps stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SxEo_Usj0g
35:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Flyback CCM and DCM magnetics compared and why is DCM sometimes preferred
37:07 <arch> youtube-dl is so awesome. i love having these videos offline, that way i can review whenever the need arises
37:12 Quit: watcher ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
37:31 <arch> more people should keep an offline repository of really useful vids for posterity
38:06 <electrohead> arch: yt-dlp is a more up-to-date fork, and properly maintained
38:33 <arch> yeah, i meant that. i used a bunch of those forks, youtube-dlc, yt-dl, yt-dlc, and now finally yt-dlp lol
38:34 <Nothing\> ah this is great
38:51 <electrohead> yeah lmao, I went through the same thing, trying to find a fork that was maintained and sh'tuff
38:52 <Nothing\> this dispensary i go to has .5g pre-rolled joints on sale for $1 each
39:00 <arch> i would feel less bad about dumping videos if people made them seeded through bittorrent
39:03 <Nothing\> only catch is it's just 1 per customer per day
39:21 <arch> like, even though i hate google, i felt bad dumping 33GB worth of videos overnight
39:39 <arch> but, it's for a good cause
39:53 <electrohead> lol
39:55 <Nothing\> but i just get one every day and get my mom to buy one too and keep them in a stash. That way I'vegot em for if I run out.
40:04 <arch> i wonder if dave's videos are available for download somewhere, central repo
40:15 <arch> would be awesome if he made all his videos seeded thru bittorrent
40:30 <steve30> He puts them on his own server where you can download them
40:39 <arch> where?
40:40 <Nothing\> arch: i'd love to seed more rare stuff on bit torrent. But qbitorrent sucks at letting you pick and choose what you seed
40:53 <steve30> The LBRY versions can also be downloaded from LBRY (don't know if you can automate it)
41:18 <steve30> http://www.eevblog.org/video/
41:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Index of /video/
41:30 <Nothing\> like i see all of these torrents with just 1 guy seeding, who's usually the creator of the torrent
41:38 <arch> see, if instead of downloading porn, people downloaded educational content like this, the world would be educated
41:53 <Nothing\> and i just want to get at least a 5:1 seeding ratio, cuz they're usuallly less than 1gb
41:57 <arch> neat. ill wget that directory
42:33 <Nothing\> but then QBittorrent sees i have other stuff marked to seed that's more common and seeds that stuff instead
42:54 <arch> actually hold on. that does not contain all his vids
43:05 <arch> there's waaay more than that list
43:19 <Nothing\> i mean, i'd ilke to seed both, but it won't let me set a specific max upload speed for specific torrents i'm seeding
43:32 <Ampera> tomorrow is steak day
43:34 <Ampera> NY strip
43:45 * Ampera strips arch 
43:48 <Ampera> there's my NY strip
43:49 <arch> why are you stripping for steak
43:54 <Ampera> I'm not
43:56 <Nothing\> so it usually puts 95% of my speed into the most seeded torrents and a very small amount into less seeded torrents
43:57 <Ampera> you are now
44:16 <Nothing\> arch, cuz steak's that awesome. Obviously.
44:35 <steve30> I don't think that includes EEVBlog2, just the main episodes
44:58 <arch> i don't see the famous video "how not to blow up your oscilloscope". BAAANG! that could ruin your day!
45:09 <Nothing\> man this cannabis extract i got is supposed to taste like melons. And it does smell just like watermelon jolly rachers
45:19 <Nothing\> even tastes like it for a moment
45:39 <Nothing\> but then it has this super savory aftertaste that's almost exactly like sushi
45:42 <Nothing\> it's so weird
45:57 <Nothing\> not bad at all, just weird
47:27 <Nothing\> so, do any of you have a good c++ tutorial site or pdf you can recommend to me?
47:38 <Nothing\> there are a lot of them out there, it's hard to pick one
47:49 <Nothing\> or to know which ones have info that's worthwhile
48:01 <Nothing\> or even if you can recommend a book that I can torrent easily
50:14 <Nothing\> personally I'm thinking this
50:16 <Nothing\> https://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
50:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - C++ Language - C++ Tutorials
51:03 <Nothing\> or maybe this
51:06 <Nothing\> https://www.w3schools.com/CPP/default.asp
51:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - C++ Tutorial
53:36 <Ampera> The best way to learn C++ is to learn C, and then just stop there :P
53:40 <Nothing\> well so far the latter doesn't seem as detailed
54:51 <Nothing\> it doesn't mention initializing variables, auto or decltype
56:20 <Nothing\> as the ob/gyn said to the new mother, looks like we've got a wiener
57:01 * steve30 needs beer
08:42 <hsn> Nothing\, do u do other programming language?
08:53 <hsn> do u know
10:08 <hsn> if u like to watch youtube .. i recommend 2 channels depending on your level
10:52 <hsn> Buckys C++ Programming Tutorials <--- from a channel called thenewboston
11:18 <hsn> more advanced one would be from this guy : https://www.youtube.com/user/TheChernoProject
12:29 <hsn> <Ampera> The best way to learn C++ is to learn C, and then just stop there :P << hahah ,, tell me about it
12:54 <Ampera> I learned C from a book and playing with Turbo C
12:56 <hsn> every thing is struct and functions, pointer .. no crazy magic stuff ..
12:58 <Ampera> I love C
13:06 <Ampera> exactly
13:25 <hsn> with c++ u dont even know what the fuck is NULL anymore ..
13:35 <Ampera> you can know the entire language pretty easy, but there's so many tricks you can do with it
13:41 <Ampera> null is 0 :D
13:50 <hsn> u think ?
14:17 <Ampera> in C, yes
14:47 <hsn> i mean in c++ u dont know .. :D
15:12 <hsn> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/nullptr
15:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - nullptr, the pointer literal - cppreference.com
16:09 <hsn> they managed to complicate even NULL :)
27:20 <Ampera> I'm aware
27:42 <Nothing\> hsn: i don't really do any programming languages. I more just dabble in whatever I can get my hands on until I find something that feels right for me. Which is just something I enjoy and can actually do stuff with.
28:02 <Nothing\> but i've dabbled in a lot types of assembly
28:26 <Nothing\> mostly assembly, not a lot of other higher level languages
29:12 <Nothing\> 6502/65816, 8086, 8051 off the top of my head
29:35 <Nothing\> or and for higher level languages, of course i've done my share of dabbling on qb64
29:46 <Nothing\> and/or qbasic
44:45 <Nothing\> and i've dabbled in c/c++ a little bit off and on for years but never really learned anything useful except some light arduino programming
45:39 <Nothing\> but i'm determined to learn this time
46:01 <Nothing\> even if it's just stuff to help me do math easier
52:47 <arch> T3sl4, suppose my gizmo, let's say an oven, uses a power supply within that drives the microcontroller and all that. when they do the EMI testing, do they test the psu WITHIN the oven, or OUTSIDE the oven? because i would imagine the metal enclosure of the oven functions as a faraday cage of sorts and should help with EMI reduction of the smps, no?
53:19 <T3sl4> right, whole EUT
53:29 <arch> cool
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07:16 * Ampera attacks T3sl4 with unlimited rolls from texas roadhouse
07:46 * Ampera gets the ribeye, ready to beat him senseless with
14:41 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
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35:10 <Some_Person> Goodwill stuff; didn’t buy anything: https://imgur.com/a/Q0IxtJz
35:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
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17:58 <steve30> Do you ever buy anything?
25:03 <T3sl4> oh neat, i found much more nuts (hickory) in the other park
25:14 <T3sl4> despite the squirrels' best efforts, so it seems
30:20 <Halcyon> Morning all
30:29 * T3sl4 nuts on Halcyon
30:32 * Halcyon fondles T3sl4's nuts
30:36 <Halcyon> :P
30:43 <T3sl4> i gathered more hickory nuts
30:49 <Halcyon> What for?
30:56 <T3sl4> deez
30:59 <Halcyon> Hah
31:12 <T3sl4> they're like small pecans, it's no wonder the squirrels just sit up there in the canopy pigging out all day
31:29 <Halcyon> They yummy?
31:32 <T3sl4> yes
40:46 <Halcyon> I need to go get coffee beans
40:51 <Halcyon> I has no coffee :(
41:15 <StupidLikeAFox> is it worthwhile to buy a cheapo crimp tool for d-sub pins, or just solder them?
41:40 <Halcyon> Aren't they designed to be soldered?
41:48 <T3sl4> how many are you making and how many do you need
42:46 <StupidLikeAFox> a few dozen pind need wire attached to them, was planning on just soldering to them tbh
43:44 <StupidLikeAFox> Halcyon: I got some pinnable crimp type ones instead of solder cup, because the connector needs to trimmed down
43:53 <Halcyon> Oh right
44:09 <T3sl4> back in the day, i used crimp terminals by pinching them shut with pliers, then soldering the wire in
44:17 <StupidLikeAFox> this weird thing splits a db-50 into sections
44:19 <T3sl4> my justification is it's at least as good as a solder pot
47:35 <StupidLikeAFox> https://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/spectra/s9k-caps/s9k-2.jpg
47:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Not Acceptable!
48:02 <Halcyon> I love Motorola connectors and headers. So nicely built
48:35 <StupidLikeAFox> the right side goes to the radio, center is a mic, left is digital I/O or a shift registor type data bus
50:00 <StupidLikeAFox> Halcyon: my truck just got a VHF W7 mid power Astro Spectra + a UHG Radius GM300 today
50:19 <StupidLikeAFox> car is getting dual high-power remote mount W7 Astro Spectras
50:31 <Halcyon> Yeh nice
50:41 <StupidLikeAFox> *UHF
50:59 <T3sl4> StupidLikeAFox gets to drink from the fire hose
51:22 <StupidLikeAFox> ..?
51:39 <StupidLikeAFox> currently drinking from a stella can
51:41 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc5ltzKq3Y
51:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Firehose
52:22 <StupidLikeAFox> however, it's the worst kind of stella can
52:31 <T3sl4> what is it with google always giving me the worst possible quality video at the top of the search
52:36 <StupidLikeAFox> my last one :(
52:48 <T3sl4> ah, then i have another meme for you
53:03 <StupidLikeAFox> I used to say google was only good at finding porn, but bing passed it there years ago
53:09 <StupidLikeAFox> now it just finds ads
53:09 * T3sl4 nod
53:16 <steve30> I'm just trying out a software video stabaliser
54:10 <StupidLikeAFox> Halcyon: https://postimg.cc/5Xr7bVJm https://postimg.cc/qhsjs63m
54:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - 20210919 145719 — Postimages
54:50 <Halcyon> Looks nice. I played with a bit of radio when I was younger, but it's a deep rabbit hole
55:17 <Halcyon> Do you use digital or encryption or is it all analog?
55:33 <StupidLikeAFox> https://postimg.cc/gnkNhJkD only the heads, no harness yet
55:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - 20210919 150101 — Postimages
56:12 <StupidLikeAFox> I moistly just do analog, I do have some P25 ham repeaters in there, but not acutally tested such yet
56:16 <StupidLikeAFox> -i
57:40 <StupidLikeAFox> tbh, got the astro spwectra for the lovlely VFD display and windows native software (as opposed to dos stuff)
58:08 <Halcyon> Yeh nice
59:06 <StupidLikeAFox> the W7 and W9/systemts 9000 heads let you dial dtmf fron the front panel too
59:59 <StupidLikeAFox> Halcyon: Got my extra a while back and have done a bit of HF, but don't have the space here for a proper HF antenna
00:05 <Halcyon> Yeh I remember those.
00:10 <Halcyon> I mostly only use radios at work now
00:45 <StupidLikeAFox> I doubt I'll ever touch a trunking or encrypted system as I don't work in public safety
01:38 <Halcyon> Yeh we use the APX-series radios
01:59 <Halcyon> All our stuff is encrypted, even in the country, I know the radio techs are doing tests at the moment with encrypted HF
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02:07 <StupidLikeAFox> P25 phase III I'm guessing, probally 800MHz band?
02:26 <Halcyon> I think we still use the 460-ish MHz
02:41 <Halcyon> I'm pretty sure 800 MHz is all for cellular data
03:03 <Halcyon> For the HF gear we use Codan radio, they are really nice kit.
03:14 <StupidLikeAFox> 800Mhz has had part 90 use sinbce the 90s, but 700 and 800 are getting more popular lately
04:03 <StupidLikeAFox> i actually bought an 800Mhz astro recently, but I just bought it as a parts radio..
05:18 <Halcyon> Looks like we have some 800 MHz licences too
05:50 <Halcyon> Could be for point to point links though
06:32 <StupidLikeAFox> the local power company is currently working on setting up an 800MHz trunking systyem that spans most of the state
07:19 <Halcyon> Our largest telco operates a Government Radio Network that has national coverage, but we barely use it
07:21 <StupidLikeAFox> I wish I could afford APX radios instead of 20-30 year old ones (that still do just fine for ham service)
09:16 * steve30 is coffeeing
09:16 <Halcyon> I was talking to the radio guys about the HF gear they were playing with. The encrypted voice codec is something like 1200 or 2400 bps tops
09:19 <Halcyon> It's frigging amazing
09:30 <Halcyon> I need to go get some Steve
11:41 <StupidLikeAFox> HF doesn't permit the same bandwidth that VHF and UHF do
12:30 <Halcyon> No it doesn't but we have a huge area to cover and some of the country areas rely on HF just for the coverage
12:56 <Halcyon> The digital audio is beautiful
15:54 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to the shops to get more coffee
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32:33 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
32:52 <Ampera> good evening people of the internets'
37:38 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
38:21 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
39:36 <Halcyon> Not bad thanks. You?
40:45 <Ampera> I bought one half of a bushel of apples
40:53 <Ampera> eight ounces of maple syrup candy
40:58 <Ampera> and two dozen apple cider doughnuts
41:36 <Halcyon> Sounds alright.
41:45 <Halcyon> I need to go get more coffee beans
41:57 <Halcyon> But I'm trying to work out what to have for dinner.
42:06 <Ampera> lamb
42:12 <Ampera> lamb biryani
42:21 <Halcyon> Mmm yeh maybe
42:48 * T3sl4 gives Ampera a tight hug
43:01 <Halcyon> I do feel like something healthy though. Been exercising a lot more, need to lose about 5-10kg or so. My blood pressure is on the high side
43:25 <T3sl4> i went for a bike, and yesterday i had a walk
43:50 <Ampera> my healthy solution is to starve myself, as a reminder that I am a terrible person, and deserve to feel pain
43:52 <Halcyon> Nice T3sl4, actually I was going to drive up to the shops, but I might walk instead.
44:01 <T3sl4> nice
44:05 <Ampera> really helps drop the pounds, at the slight expense of my mental health
44:09 <T3sl4> take steve30 with you, he loves shops :P
44:12 <Ampera> but I stopped valuing that ages ago
44:53 <Halcyon> He says he does, but then he doesn't going out for days because he can't be bothered. Typical house cat
45:11 <T3sl4> gotta put him in the cage and take him out that way
45:17 <T3sl4> cats love carriers ;)
45:23 <steve30> i am not well enough to go out much atm, so its nice to have an excuse
45:38 <steve30> i feel like crap at the moment so won't easily manage shopping.
45:45 <steve30> I went last monday and struggled
46:02 * T3sl4 checks steve30's coffee levels
47:10 <Halcyon> T3sl4, yeh, so does my bird. He runs (flys) away everytime he sees it
47:20 <Halcyon> Literally have to grab him with two hands and stuff him in
47:27 <T3sl4> hah
47:33 <T3sl4> stupid jerry
49:42 <steve30> i'm just editing one of saturday's videos
49:46 <steve30> I think Halcyon will like it
49:54 <Halcyon> Are you pantless?
50:17 <T3sl4> i glanced over and saw "panties", then got a closer look and aw
51:13 <Halcyon> Panties would work too
52:13 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to the shops, back soon
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58:12 <arch> lol... https://i.imgur.com/4liJCRB.png
58:34 <arch> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/919/524/140.jpg
58:46 <arch> freaking aliexpress is a joker
59:00 <arch> most russian name ever
00:48 * steve30 is not pantless
03:04 * jaymax is not yet nekked
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18:42 <StupidLikeAFox> If I'm not going outside, not sober, and not taking pictures of thing, why are pants needed?
18:49 <StupidLikeAFox> Oh, and not using the soldering iron
19:19 <Ampera> pants are never needed
19:42 <StupidLikeAFox> blob of solder on thigh does not feel nice- nylon track pants offer zero protection btq
19:46 <StupidLikeAFox> *btw
21:16 <StupidLikeAFox> if anything, the solder, nylon, and upper layer of your skin breifely merge into one and can't be seperated until cool
25:24 <Ampera> jeans
25:26 <Ampera> jeans man
25:43 <arch> StupidLikeAFox, that's how i got a scar on my thigh. blob of solder...
25:55 <Ampera> you people need help
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25:58 <Ampera> and a possible lobotomy
26:00 <arch> was soldering a bigass psu, needed lots of solder to salvage the transformer
26:23 <Ampera> this is why you don't give soldering irons to anime girls with tentacles coming out of their skirts
26:27 <arch> BLOOP, fell right on my shorts, and burned itself thru and burnt my thigh
26:33 <Ampera> if that simple rule were followed, arch wouldn't have that scar
26:38 <arch> ikr
26:47 <Ampera> how are you doing, btw arch
26:51 <Ampera> how's NYC?
26:54 <Ampera> awful as ever?
27:01 <arch> i just want to look fabulous while soldering. i think thats reasonable ask
27:13 <arch> awful as ever ya. i gotta go back to da office next month
27:16 <arch> thankfully it's once a week
28:22 <StupidLikeAFox> Ampera: I don't even own a pair of jeans
28:30 <Ampera> what
28:36 <Ampera> this is even possible?
28:39 <StupidLikeAFox> I wear dickies/wrangler work pants or cargo pants generally
28:41 <arch> i work pretty well unsupervised, so that's good. when im working, the most i ever had the temptation to do was to watch por- i mean solder some stuff, but i can hold off on that until end of day
28:51 <StupidLikeAFox> yep, i own nothing made of denim
29:39 <StupidLikeAFox> I have some dress pants and nice casual pants, but still no jeans/denim
29:45 <StupidLikeAFox> *nicer
30:46 <StupidLikeAFox> currently have flannel pj pants on cause I had to go outside
35:31 <T3sl4> StupidLikeAFox: don't forget frying bacon
35:46 <T3sl4> i've lived dangerously before, frying bacon while naked
35:59 <rust_collector> always wear bacon, when you go outside
36:35 <StupidLikeAFox> T3sl4: I don't like bacon or cook very much nowadays
36:51 <rust_collector> you can throw it to both bears and muslims, and get away
36:52 <StupidLikeAFox> But I have learned to be fully clothed while cooking
37:47 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/yVgKuQC.jpg
38:14 <jaymax> How much of a market exists for DC-DC ATX PSU's? The first real example I found was from Powerstream (e.g. the PSTC-48400 model) https://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-5.htm
38:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - 400 Watt 48 volt or -48 volt DC Input PC ATX Power Supplies, 48 volt
39:05 <T3sl4> have seen a 12V input one or two, though not sure how big
39:59 <jaymax> I've encounted those on eBay - 100 to 150W max. For microATX boards to go into cars.
40:36 <StupidLikeAFox> jaymax: there's 12/19/24V input ones for SFF pcs
40:51 <StupidLikeAFox> and 48V ones for enterprise type stuff
41:35 <jaymax> I intend for a fixed off-grid scenario, like cabin-in-the-woods.
41:45 <jaymax> StupidLikeAFox are there many vendors that do?
42:08 <T3sl4> what's wrong with just using an inverter?
42:32 <jaymax> For 48V enterprise, I assume Cicso would be one, actually.
43:16 <jaymax> All depends on the efficiency I suppose.
43:30 <Halcyon> Mmm coffee
43:47 <T3sl4> you're pooped
44:14 <Halcyon> Nah I did a pre-coffee poop today
44:29 <T3sl4> heresey!
44:45 <jaymax> Going from DC to AC back to DC might be wasteful, depending on the cable run etc.
44:55 <Halcyon> Nah true story. I made wonton noodle soop yesterday for dinner and made it really chilli-y, so it was a chilli poop
45:30 <T3sl4> wonton destruction
45:35 <Halcyon> I need to re-organise my component buckets today
45:46 <Halcyon> I have too many things but not enough storage
46:05 <jaymax> Obv if a DC-DC ATX PSU is like looking for hens teeth, then efficiency isn't a good enough piece of criteria.
47:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
47:54 * Ampera hugs jaymax
47:57 * Ampera chugs T3sl4 
48:01 <Halcyon> YAY hugs!
48:47 * jaymax mugs Ampera
49:01 <Ampera> my favorite cannuckian
49:14 * T3sl4 bugs Ampera
49:16 <jaymax> Coffweeeeeeee?
49:28 * Ampera gives jaymax tea instead
49:31 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Connection closed
49:51 * jaymax retracts his mug
51:10 <Halcyon> I only has black coffee
51:19 <Halcyon> I don't like diluting it with milk
51:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, T3sl4 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_r3mP1VEAE5ak8?format=jpg&name=small
52:37 <StupidLikeAFox> interesting topology to fully use
53:18 <T3sl4> hard to get three assholes close enough together, even though Ampera tries his hardest
53:45 <Halcyon> Yeh the centre bit would need to be larger
53:54 <Ampera> you people are cowards
54:00 <Ampera> wimps and cowards
54:10 <Ampera> with effort, anything is possible
54:28 <T3sl4> i'd gladly pay you tuesday for a piece of ass today, Ampera
54:46 <Ampera> pff, I'd give you ass for free
54:47 <Ampera> no problemo
55:19 <Halcyon> YAY!
55:24 <Halcyon> You have to wax first though
55:26 <electrohead> o/
55:46 <Halcyon> Speaking of bush
55:47 <electrohead> So, I just got woken up earlier, to my neighbor informing me that someone in a car hit my one wall, and took off. She was handcuffed already, but now I need to export video footage for the police
56:05 <Halcyon> They hit a wall?
56:10 <electrohead> Yeah, my wall
56:11 <Halcyon> Like part of the building?
56:12 <electrohead> Lol
56:25 <electrohead> Not the building, the concrete wall by my yard
56:27 <StupidLikeAFox> not the one wall :(
56:27 <T3sl4> :/
56:31 <Halcyon> Ah right
56:39 <Halcyon> So they got the bitch?
56:45 <electrohead> Yup!
56:48 <Ampera> cool
56:50 <Halcyon> Good stuff
56:56 <electrohead> From what it seems, she was drinking and driving
56:57 <Ampera> do you get to decide the punishment now?
56:59 <Ampera> go for hanging
56:59 <Halcyon> And of course you have CCTV, you paranoid fuck :P
57:01 <electrohead> Fucking asshole, whatever
57:02 <Ampera> it's fun to watch them squirm
57:19 <Ampera> I'm installing CCTV soon
57:21 <electrohead> Halcyon: lmao, not paranoid, I have cameras for this reason
57:22 <electrohead> :P
57:23 <Halcyon> So am I actually
57:36 <Halcyon> Which reminds me, I need to follow-up on that quote
57:42 <Ampera> some people have been checking out our cars so I'd like to have a better eye on what's going on
57:55 <Halcyon> I want to buy some Axis cameras
58:02 <Ampera> you anzi
58:03 <Ampera> er, nazi
58:07 <StupidLikeAFox> 'Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.'
58:15 <T3sl4> Ampera, all the best stuff's made in japan
58:18 <electrohead> I still want to build up a bunch of raspberry pi based cameras
58:24 <Ampera> I have no idea what cameras I wanna buy
58:44 <Ampera> the PINE64 Cube looks appealing, but they're all devkits and I kinda feel bad about buying out a load of devkits
59:07 <Ampera> I have no idea how I'd go about recording/managing footage
59:07 <Halcyon> I like the Axis ones because you can record directly to a network share, you don't need a NVR or anything, plus it has on-board storage as well for backup recording
59:18 <Ampera> my first instinct is slap together some gstreamer/ffmpeg crap and some scripting
59:32 <Halcyon> They aren't cheap though
59:43 <Ampera> I want my cameras to be as stupid as possible without being video only
59:57 <Ampera> as network is easier to install and deal with than capture cards
00:13 <Ampera> the actual recorder will be my storage server
00:14 <Halcyon> Yeh I want just simple recording, I don't want to have to deal with proprietary recorders, video formats or playback software
00:24 <Halcyon> Those cheap Chinese systems are just awful to deal with
00:25 <Ampera> I do not want those cameras to record
00:34 <Ampera> if I cannot get their raw feeds over the network into gstreamer I do not want them
00:55 <Ampera> that's where stuff like the pine cube is appealing, since it's a relatively simple matter to stream that data back to my servers
01:13 <Halcyon> Yep, which is why you want a camera that supports ONVIF standard
01:21 <Halcyon> (if you're using IP)
01:30 <Ampera> I do not want to use a standard
01:32 <Ampera> I want to be difficult
01:44 <Halcyon> Then buy a Chinese system and deal with all the problems :P
01:54 <Ampera> no, you're not getting what I'm saying
01:56 <Ampera> I do not want a system
01:58 <Ampera> I want a camera
02:02 <Halcyon> Yes
02:24 <Ampera> it must not be capable of doing /anything/ besides giving me a network stream that can go directly into gstreamer and by dealt with by my own code
02:31 <Halcyon> So you basically want a dumb camera that just streams MPEG video?
02:40 <Ampera> it doesn't have to be MPEG, but yes
02:53 <Halcyon> Why do you always have to complicate things?
02:54 <Ampera> no WAN access, no access panel, no fancy system
03:06 <Ampera> honestly, for me, this is the opposite of complicating things
03:07 <Halcyon> Oh fuck WAN access
03:20 <Ampera> this is using technology I've dealt with and know how to use, in order to create a secure and reliable system
03:24 <Halcyon> This is another reason why I'm going Axis, their software is hardened.
03:49 <Ampera> This would be off an isolated subnet
03:56 <Halcyon> That would be sensible
03:59 <T3sl4> giggity
04:08 <Halcyon> Hahah T3sl4 :P
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04:15 <Ampera> the only thing I'd need to figure out is what to use for a live monitor
04:35 <T3sl4> heh, i wonder if hickory shells are any good as smoke wood
04:41 * T3sl4 pelts Ampera with some shells
04:45 <Halcyon> One way to find out
04:47 * Ampera smokes using them
05:01 <Ampera> we do not have many hickory trees (that I know of) here
05:18 <T3sl4> they should grow over there, whether they're at all common idk
05:33 <Ampera> they probably do
05:42 <Ampera> just, I've never seen any
05:54 <T3sl4> you know what chestnut leaves look like?
06:06 <Ampera> I know what chests look like
06:08 * Ampera oggles T3sl4 
06:16 * T3sl4 nuts on Ampera's chest
06:24 * Ampera moans
06:47 <Halcyon> Ampera, get a combined thermal and visual camera: https://www.axis.com/products/axis-q87-series
06:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - AXIS Q87 Bispectral PTZ Network Camera Series | Axis Communications
06:53 <Halcyon> I'd hate to think how much they cost
07:05 <T3sl4> kinda pear/pendant shaped leaves, serrated margin, kinda in a fan on the branch
07:06 <Ampera> I don't need shit like that
07:17 <Ampera> my ideal camera price is 40-60 dollars each
07:18 <Halcyon> It's not a matter of *need*
07:19 <T3sl4> shaggy bark, tends to peel off in layers like
07:38 <Ampera> I'm not sure, T3sl4, I really don't pay much attention to trees
08:00 <T3sl4> well do it some time, some of them are delicious? :P
08:12 <Ampera> oh I pay attention to the flavor of wood for smoking
08:17 <Ampera> but I usually get bags of wood
08:32 <T3sl4> they're delicious in other ways too
08:37 * T3sl4 gives Ampera his wood
08:49 * Ampera licks T3sl4's walnuts
09:04 <Ampera> https://www.pine64.org/cube/
09:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - CUBE | PINE64
09:09 <Ampera> These cost 30 bucks, and are almost ideal
09:22 <Ampera> the only big problem is I'd need to figure out a weatherproof case for them
09:26 <T3sl4> pine nuts
10:52 <Halcyon> You'll also need to find a way to weather proof the camera. At <$100, they aren't going to be IP rated.
11:12 * T3sl4 IPs on Halcyon
11:13 <Ampera> I just said that
11:18 <Halcyon> Yes
11:21 <Ampera> ok
11:27 <Halcyon> I thought you were just talking about the Pine64
11:33 <Ampera> the what
11:44 <Halcyon> The board you just lined to
11:50 <Halcyon> *linked
11:53 <T3sl4> i'd assume the pine and cam are in the same box?
11:54 <Ampera> that's the PINE64 CUBE
11:57 <Ampera> PINE64 are a company
11:58 <Halcyon> Yes
12:01 <Halcyon> I'm aware
12:08 <Ampera> you're confusing, Halcyon
12:12 <Halcyon> Not really?
12:26 <rust_collector> yes, you are, lol
12:36 <Halcyon> It's no different to saying "RPi board", there are various models
12:39 * T3sl4 cornfuzzles rust_collector
12:40 <Halcyon> I wasn't being specific
12:45 * electrohead films
12:53 <rust_collector> the link is to a camera?
13:12 <Halcyon> There you go. I should click on things first
13:40 <Halcyon> I guess you could just epoxy the whole thing with connectors in-place?
13:45 <rust_collector> click all the links,
13:58 <Ampera> a raspi with a camera might be a better choice, since you can likely get weatherproof cases for it
14:06 <Halcyon> Likely
15:00 <Halcyon> https://tubematics.com/products/tubematics-weatherproof-housing-for-raspberry-pi-and-hq-camera
15:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tubematics Weatherproof Housing for Raspberry Pi and HQ Camera
15:04 <Halcyon> Expensive as fuck though
15:22 <rust_collector> figure out how to connect to reversing cameras? they are usually pretty tough, and can sit outside, and be pressure washed, and some of them gives you a very good image, even in pretty much no light
15:32 <Ampera> there are presumably more than just that
15:38 <Ampera> I have not done research, there may be other options too
15:51 <electrohead> https://thepihut.com/products/naturebytes-wildlife-camera-kit
15:53 <Ampera> rust_collector, those are usually composite cameras, and present their own serious problems
15:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Naturebytes Wildlife Camera Kit | The Pi Hut
15:56 <electrohead> There's a bunch out there
16:08 <Ampera> like then requiring capture equipment, and multiple runs (instead of just one ethernet cable with a switch)
16:53 <Ampera> anyways, I'm going to go to bed
16:56 * Ampera touches electrohead on the way out
16:58 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
17:02 * electrohead swoons
17:16 * steve30 wants more food
17:43 * rust_collector wants to have been sleeping for the last 2.5 hours
22:02 * T3sl4 gives rust_collector some bean sleeps
35:08 <steve30> From Reddit: "I'm now out as asexual and non-binary trans femme demigirl. "
35:34 <steve30> 0.o
36:51 <jaymax> o.O
37:19 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - I gathered a bunch of what looked like perfect output days and normalised the peaks to 1, this is the result. https://t.co/okxcOnQX2V
37:25 <rust_collector> eh, ok?
38:01 <jaymax> Redditor needs 11 more peices of flair to work at Chotchites
38:26 <jaymax> Or whatever TF that restaurant name in Office Space was called/spelled.
40:24 <jaymax> Oh weird, I'm still awake. 😄
41:23 <jaymax> With that, I bid you A-fa-q.
44:47 <rust_collector> nice, just 20 more minutes, and I can wake up
04:31 <steve30> i think i'll go to bed
04:52 <rust_collector> enjoy your bed. I will go to work
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46:11 * Halcyon slaps T3sl4 
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43:19 <K> hello acorns
44:46 <Halcyon> Hello walnut
44:46 <EEVBot> Hello, Halcyon!
44:49 <Halcyon> Every time
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27:50 <Ysjoelfir> prelunchs
35:41 <steve30> hi
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54:12 <Halcyon> What's for pre-lunch?
54:26 * steve30 woke up
54:43 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
56:03 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
56:06 * Ampera pets steve30 
56:39 <Halcyon> YAY
56:43 <Halcyon> Good morning Ampera
57:32 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon
58:11 <jaymax> How U doin'
58:49 <Ampera> bobs
58:52 <Ampera> vagene
58:53 <Ampera> peni
59:08 <Ampera> otherwise, fine
06:51 <K> ampera secretly is a Bob
07:11 * Ampera bops K on the head
10:48 <Halcyon> I'm alright, I don't wanna go to bed. :( Early start tomorrow
11:21 <Ampera> I don't want to get up
11:23 <Ampera> but, well, here I am
15:38 <Halcyon> Yes but are you still in bed?
17:52 <steve30> i'm going to go for a shower
19:39 <Ampera> No I'm at my desk, now about to go make tea
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