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00:00:54 <Nothing\> they were basically san francisco hippie wannabes. The guy had a huge ego problem, thinking himself to be some superior among drug users, akin to tim leary or something i dunno
00:02:04 <Nothing\> and he'd always name drop, like mentioning how he knew alexander hamilton some dipshit reporter on VICE with the personality of cardboard who makes an idiot of himself trying novel drugs or something, i never quite got the point of his segments other than to give him a reason to get high on somebody else's dime.
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00:03:21 <Nothing\> probably just as well. She was borderline and IME borderline people make the WORST significant others
00:03:47 <Nothing\> nothing against them personally, i'm one of them apparently. Their personalities are just not conducive to a healthy relationship.
00:04:12 <Nothing\> oh hey electrohead i had a 1.5 part question for you
00:05:33 <Nothing\> See, I found these chips the other day day in my collection, cd4016be, which is a quad bi-lateral switch. Basically a set of 4 transmission gates.
00:05:46 <electrohead> yar?
00:06:01 <Nothing\> But I already have another chip, a CD4066BE which is the exact same thing
00:06:12 <Nothing\> and as far as i can tell from the datasheets, has the exact same parameters
00:06:27 <Nothing\> ratings?
00:06:40 <Nothing\> whatever you call them, the numbers are practically the same
00:06:44 <Nothing\> observe
00:06:54 <Nothing\> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4066b-mil.pdf
00:07:04 <Nothing\> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4016b.pdf?ts=1632383168390&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FCD4016B
00:07:35 <Nothing\> although the 4066's datasheet looks much newer so it makes me suspect it's a more recent chip. But I can't see any superior characteristics to the 4016
00:08:12 <electrohead> these are almost the same
00:08:20 <Nothing\> i know, right?
00:08:37 <electrohead> CD4066B -
00:08:38 <Nothing\> makes me wonder how worth it it was to make whichever came 2nd
00:08:39 <electrohead> 15-V Digital or ±7.5-V Peak-to-Peak Switching
00:08:41 <electrohead> 125-Ω Typical On-State Resistance for
00:08:43 <electrohead> 15-V Operation
00:08:49 <Nothing\> is it 15v?
00:09:06 <Nothing\> hrm
00:09:15 <electrohead> whereas, the CD4016BE as different characteristics, slightly
00:09:16 <Nothing\> yeah and the 4016 is 20vdc
00:09:20 <Nothing\> or 10vac
00:09:36 <Nothing\> i think that was switching anyways
00:09:43 <Nothing\> mighta been vcc
00:09:44 <electrohead> I was about to paste that part, plus the next part, but I can't select/copy that text
00:09:50 <Nothing\> but vcc shouldn't be vac
00:09:54 <Nothing\> so i guess not
00:10:18 <Nothing\> electrohead, really? I can select and copy from PDFs in just about any reader i've used
00:10:24 <Nothing\> being chrome, adobe and foxit
00:10:48 <electrohead> yeah the CD4016B I can't select any text
00:10:50 <Nothing\> personally i prefer chrome, i just wish you could set bookmarks for specific pages in a pdf
00:10:50 <electrohead> I use evince
00:10:59 <Nothing\> huh never heard of that
00:11:10 <electrohead> the supply voltage range is slightly different, too
00:11:14 <Nothing\> i haven't used adobe in years, aside from a brief stint recently just to see if it got better
00:11:28 <Ampera> electrohead, does that do much for editing PDFs?
00:11:32 <Nothing\> but it's so bloated, i had to get away from it when it was several hundred mb back in 2010
00:11:35 <Ampera> because there are no good open source PDF editors for Linux
00:12:19 <electrohead> Ampera: for editing? not really, but I normally just use Adobe Acrobat for signing PDFs, as that's mainly for work, anyway
00:12:33 <Nothing\> and this version now always has these sliding panels open by default that, i dunno, give you more info on the pdf and a table of contents and some other stuff. But it adds 4 or 5 extra clicks after my pdf's loaded to get all that stuff off the screen
00:12:40 <Ampera> yeah, but I hate installing proprietary software
00:12:42 <electrohead> Nothing\: yeah, those chips are essentially the same, but the characteristics are slightly different
00:12:49 <Ampera> especially with old and crusty shit like Acrobat it's always a mess
00:12:58 <Nothing\> and i forget what my problem was with foxit now, but chrome is a nice barebones pdf reader
00:13:10 <electrohead> Ampera: I've read that libre office allows you to sign/edit certain PDFs, but never fully tested that
00:13:18 <Ampera> libreoffice doesn't fucking work
00:13:23 <Nothing\> adobe IS nice on android. I just wish they didn't remove the ability to view a list of recently viewed pdfs
00:13:27 <Ampera> I don't get why it's so popular, it's always been nothing but slow and unstable for me
00:13:41 <electrohead> could always use PDFBox, heh
00:13:43 <Ampera> It does allow you to edit PDFs, but it does not have good (or even usable) compatibility
00:13:44 <Nothing\> that was a really useful feature for returning to reading stuff from later
00:13:52 <Ampera> This was an issue for me when I needed to do my taxes on PDF
00:13:53 <DHess_US> For the 4066, "the well of the n-channel device on each
00:13:53 <DHess_US> switch is tied to either the input (when the switch is
00:13:53 <DHess_US> on) or to VSS (when the switch is off). This
00:13:54 <DHess_US> configuration eliminates the variation of the switch-
00:13:54 <DHess_US> transistor threshold voltage with input signal and,
00:13:54 <DHess_US> thus, keeps the on-state resistance low over the full
00:13:56 <DHess_US> operating-signal range."
00:14:03 <Ampera> I think my end solution was to import it into GIMP and do it via bitmap
00:14:08 <Nothing\> DHess_US, heh you just had to figure it out too, huh?
00:14:20 <Ampera> actually, I think it was another form I had to fill out, and then submit as PDF
00:14:24 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I remember looking into it decades ago.
00:14:27 <Ampera> maybe it was my passport application
00:14:33 <Ampera> or driver's application
00:14:34 <Nothing\> oooohh okay
00:14:34 <Ampera> idfk
00:14:51 <Nothing\> so the 4066 has a lower on-resistance, is that what i'm to imply from this, DHess_US?
00:14:52 <electrohead> Ampera: yeah, but some forms from the US government can't be signed via a bitmap image
00:14:58 <DHess_US> The 4016 just relies on the substrate voltage.
00:15:10 <Nothing\> DHess_US, ah. Yeah I don't even know where these 4016s came from
00:15:14 <Ampera> I did my federal taxes online, my NY taxes I mailed
00:15:21 <Nothing\> but if i already had 4066s, it seems they're superfluous
00:15:51 <Ampera> because the fed has a free fillable forms system, which even though run by a commercial party, actually let me do my damn taxes online without using a shitty service
00:15:55 <DHess_US> Nothing\, the on-resistance can always be lowered by using bigger transistors. Modulating the substrate voltage lowers the variation in on resistance.
00:15:58 <Nothing\> i wanna say i remember seeing something about noise rating in there
00:16:16 <Ampera> If I can submit my taxes online anyways, I don't know why I can't just fax them the forms, or otherwise send a digital copy
00:16:35 <Nothing\> but i think i'm confusing something i read in "the art of electronics" about how BJTs and JFETs are used in amplifiers over MOSFETs because they have a lower noise something or other
00:16:39 <Ampera> they have to make things stupid by making you give all your info to some company that's gonna leak it anyways
00:16:53 <DHess_US> That's true. MOSFETs are noisier
00:17:09 <Ampera> in other news fuck these clouds in the sky. When I was little, clouds in the sky didn't cost much, but now the prices are astronomical
00:17:16 <Nothing\> what's that down to? just the constant charging and discharging of the caps?
00:17:20 <DHess_US> FETs in general are noisier, but MOSFETs are noisier than JFETs.
00:17:24 <Ampera> and these kids on my lawn, the fucking nerve, back in my day we could just call them communists and then shoot them dead
00:17:31 <Nothing\> actually i think i remember he said something about the input/output impedance
00:18:14 <Nothing\> yeah the gist i got from the graph shown is that jfets are slightly noisier than BJTs, and MOSFETs are a LOT noisier than both
00:18:33 <Ampera> I think this tea has given me diabetes
00:18:36 <DHess_US> FETs have lower transconductance than bipolar transistors
00:18:40 <Ampera> this is the 6th time I've gotten up to piss this morning
00:18:46 <Nothing\> but it sorta clicked in my head there why most people use BJTs for amps
00:19:15 <Nothing\> i was thinking about making a push/pull aka totem pole aka type B amplifier
00:19:24 <Nothing\> i got this chip with matched BJTs
00:19:30 <DHess_US> Noise is rarely an issue in audio amplifiers.
00:20:02 <Nothing\> oh yeha i guess if thermal noise or something like that is on the order of megahertz it wouldn't be an issue at audio frequencies, would it
00:20:17 <DHess_US> In audio power amplifiers, noise is irrelevant because other circuit requirements raise it to get higher slew rate.
00:20:34 <Nothing\> ah
00:21:00 <DHess_US> You *could* make a lower noise audio power amplifier, but hardly anybody bothers.
00:21:40 <Nothing\> man, the first transistors i got was an elenco kit from amazon with a whole buncha jellybeans in it for like $30
00:21:52 <Nothing\> really it was a ripoff, especially after the next part
00:22:24 <Nothing\> so it came with two 2N3055s, you know the standard jellybean power transistor in a to-204 package
00:22:50 <Nothing\> and i heard you can crack a to-204 pretty easily to expose the die and figured i'd do that to one of them, so i did
00:23:13 <Nothing\> and instead of a nice pretty die, i was presented with a glob of epoxy. Which is NOT what was inside all the other 3055s i saw
00:23:20 <Nothing\> so, clearly a fake
00:23:42 <Nothing\> i loathe to think what would have happened if i'd actually used it for its intended purpose
00:24:58 <Nothing\> though really all of the counterfeit chips i've identified seem to work as any other. I wouldn't have even suspected they were counterfeit if I didn't know better.
00:27:30 <Nothing\> i should see if i can find a working library for this mystery OLED screen i found for my arduino
00:28:10 <Nothing\> OH COOOL
00:28:23 <Nothing\> this channel, huygens optical has a video on making their own OLED screen
00:28:49 <Nothing\> they've got a lot of cool stuff on there. Very worth checking out
01:01:02 <Nothing\> so, one thing i've always been worried about with my arduino
01:02:20 <Nothing\> what are the odds that I could say, hook up some sort of hardware to it, then upload some incorrect code that would end up sinking current into a pin (on the non-arduino device) that wasn't meant to have current sinked into it
01:02:42 <Nothing\> or some other issue where improper programming could cause damage to hardware
01:03:37 <Nothing\> i wouldn't imagine much damage could be done with 5v but you never know
01:09:13 <Nothing\> great now i suddenly can't upload to my arduino again
01:09:44 <Nothing\> it seems like half the trouble with embedded systems is just trying to get the damn programs into the embedded device
01:09:59 <Nothing\> or maybe i'm just too new at serial
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01:19:39 <Nothing\> and as i predicted, the oled library for arduino didn't work
01:19:56 <Nothing\> but not by any fault of its own, i just can't get a connection to the thing
01:20:24 <Nothing\> hey Kuschelpony and arch
01:20:36 <Kuschelpony> Ywes, nothing
01:20:37 <Nothing\> and how are you guys this fine, gloomy day?
01:20:55 <Kuschelpony> mmh, lets skip this as i prefer to hide my honest answer
01:21:06 <Kuschelpony> better ask about technical things
01:21:08 <Nothing\> don't blame you
01:21:34 <Nothing\> hrm nothing technical to ask. We were trying to figure out the difference between a 4016 and a 4066 but we figured it out
01:39:16 <Nothing\> ugh nothing like troubleshooting a breadboard circuit for an hour only to discover it's a loose connection on the power supply to the power rail cuz your breadboard's fins are looser than a $2 whore
01:40:04 <Nothing\> is there like, a GOOD brand name of breadboard or something. I guess elegoo isn't bad but I feel like there's better.
01:41:30 <Kuschelpony> i have no idea, but in the decadwe when i did breadboarding the first thing i had were LEDs as indicators on the power rails
01:56:08 <Nothing\> that's not a bad idea. Usually I just wait for my circuit to not work right then probe the rails first with my voltmeter and go from there
01:56:30 <Nothing\> you know what they need
01:57:50 <Nothing\> multimeter probes with like a 22 gauge flexible pin you can just insert directly into a breadboard
01:58:10 <Kuschelpony> yep
01:58:23 <Nothing\> instead of having to either clip a probe onto a component, or put a jumper in with a stripped end up to clip onto
01:58:56 <Nothing\> or just not fully inserting the pin into the hole and using a regular pointy probe and hoping it makes good enough contact
01:59:20 <Nothing\> personally i'm partial to clip probes, but they don't seem to be a very long lifespan
01:59:45 <Nothing\> the ones i get always end up breaking at the connection between the probe and the wire
02:01:37 <Nothing\> although i always just get $1 chinesium probes
02:01:52 <Nothing\> for my meter anyways, scope probes you can't skimp on
02:02:34 <rust_collector> well, if your scope is crappy enough...
02:03:07 <Nothing\> well it's entry level, but i made sure to get as decent a one as i was knowledgable about
02:03:34 <Kuschelpony> my solution was to buy the cheapest crocodile probes, because the wire could be pulled out most easily, then solder and crimp a good wire into them
02:04:19 <Nothing\> here's the scope i got
02:04:21 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00H1TES4C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
02:04:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.ca Something Went Wrong / Quelque chose s'est mal passé
02:04:32 <Nothing\> hrm, does that link work?
02:04:51 <Nothing\> seems to work for me. hoping it's not regional
02:05:46 <Nothing\> but of course i realized later i coulda paid like $100-$150 less for the 100mhz model and just removed the limitation from the 100mhz model that keeps it from running at 200mhz
02:05:46 <rust_collector> yeah, works
02:06:00 <Nothing\> ypu that's what i figured
02:06:25 <Nothing\> the software leaves something to desire though. It's crashed on me a few times and won't actually save waveforms properly
02:06:40 <Nothing\> it says it can and has the option. But the only thing that works is taking a screenshot
02:06:58 <rust_collector> the cheaper model is still 5 times faster than mine, lol
02:07:29 <Nothing\> yeah but you probably have a nice analog one, don't you?
02:07:59 <Nothing\> and honestly, i don't do anything with RF and probably won't until i can afford a better scope anyways so 20mhz would be plenty for me
02:08:06 <rust_collector> I have one basic analog one, and one of the owon usb thingies, both are 20
02:08:30 <Nothing\> i usually use this one with a special filter enabled that acts as an LPF for frequencies over 20mhz
02:08:46 <rust_collector> well, I am going to work. have fun
02:09:02 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i'd love a 2 channel analog to make some nice lisajous figures
02:09:10 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to make them
02:09:18 <Nothing\> but anyways, have fun at work
02:09:27 <rust_collector> yeah, and I just like the way analog scopes look.
02:09:38 <Nothing\> yes and their response time
02:09:49 <Nothing\> no delay, just immediate data
02:09:49 <rust_collector> they do take a lot of space...
02:10:19 <Nothing\> i'd also love to get the CRT out of a derelict scope to play with
02:11:35 <Nothing\> heh i looked at this one scope, i forget what company made it but it was a major one. Entry level scope.
02:11:54 <Nothing\> seemed to have a good suite of features, until i read the comments
02:12:16 <Nothing\> they were all complaining because you had to pay extra to use any of these features they were advertising
02:14:42 <Nothing\> whew i'm nodding off here
02:14:47 <Nothing\> guess 3 hours of sleep isn't enough
03:05:29 <Nothing\> huh, if I build this LFSR I designed, it should only repeat itself once every 1,911,353 years running at 2hz, cuz ya gotta see the blinken light-
03:51:02 <hsn> hooooo fuuuuuuuck !!!
03:51:25 <hsn> i just did rm /* in my make file ... :(
03:51:38 <hsn> rm -r it was lol
03:53:09 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/WRHZbr.jpg
03:53:30 <hsn> make clean .. didnt clean .. but fcked my life ..
03:55:10 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/NcOM5r.jpg <--- dat moment when u discovered ... xD
03:59:49 <Ampera> RIP you
03:59:58 <Ampera> good thing you have frequent and easy to restore backups.
04:00:00 <Ampera> RIGHT?
04:00:36 <Nothing\> lol hsn
04:00:46 <Nothing\> better have good data recovery software
04:01:31 <Nothing\> hsn: that's okay, one time i was planning on formatting a drive and overwriting it with random data to make it unrecoverable so I could scrap it safely
04:01:32 <hsn> Nah .. but this was in WSL .. im not sure if it goes and deletes windows stuff also or not ..
04:01:47 <hsn> Not so many important stuff in the WSL it self
04:01:55 <Ampera> depends, if you have your windows drives mounted in /, then yes
04:02:04 <hsn> Lol fck
04:02:07 <Nothing\> so i go to set up the initial data writing, something like 7 passes with random data so you can't retrive it at all
04:02:22 <Nothing\> go out and do some errands while that's running
04:02:27 <Nothing\> i came back a few hours
04:02:40 <Nothing\> and i'm horrified to find i didn't erase the drive i was gonna scrap
04:02:54 <Nothing\> i erased my media drive with 2tb of stuff on it i'd collected over years
04:03:11 <Nothing\> and this was back when windows 7 came out
04:03:19 <Nothing\> so 2tb was a LOT
04:04:01 <hsn> Hah
04:04:18 <hsn> So in Future what do you suggest. .
04:04:20 <Nothing\> i felt like my house jsut burnt down or something
04:04:30 <hsn> I should buy a nas?
04:04:36 <Nothing\> like everything i spent so long trying to accumulate and build up was just gone instantly
04:04:50 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure what a NAS is so i'm afraid i can't say
04:05:21 <hsn> Something for backing up files with raid system stuff over network thing
04:05:28 <Nothing\> hrm, do you know anything about the 74hc595?
04:05:31 <hsn> I only know thay
04:05:33 <hsn> That
04:05:38 <Nothing\> or any 74 variant of the 595 for that matter
04:05:45 <hsn> Yes its part of 74 series
04:05:55 <hsn> No i dont lol
04:06:12 <Nothing\> i just need to know if the shift register clock is the compliment of the latch clock or if they're the same
04:07:12 <Nothing\> i'm surre sure they're the same but for some reason i got it in my head you need to invert one or the other
04:07:28 <Nothing\> but no tutorials or datasheets mention it
04:12:18 <hsn> Driving while looking at datasheet is illegal in Bahrain
04:13:33 <Nothing\> i would imagine so
04:13:40 <Nothing\> you live in bahrain?
04:13:48 <hsn> Yes
04:13:55 <Nothing\> oh cool
04:14:08 <Nothing\> that's a unique one for me
04:14:17 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/SR1BWdKGq5eztBxJ6
04:14:27 <Nothing\> i've heard of it but i'm not 100% where it is. I wanna say north Africa
04:14:46 <hsn> Near dubai
04:15:01 <Nothing\> ah nice
04:15:09 <Nothing\> how's life there? good?
04:15:09 <hsn> But much poorer
04:15:10 <hsn> Lol
04:15:12 <Nothing\> oh
04:15:16 <Nothing\> that answers that
04:15:25 <hsn> Its not bad ..
04:15:26 <Nothing\> although just about anyone is poor compared to dubai
04:15:30 <Nothing\> until their oil runs out
04:16:04 <hsn> Its poor considering other arab gulf countries but not so poor
04:16:26 <Nothing\> gotcha
04:16:53 <Nothing\> how's the political situation? much unrest? risk of war? anything of that nature?
04:17:05 <Nothing\> or is life generally stable there in that regard?
04:17:17 <hsn> Yeah exactly those bitches played with oil money and soon all of us will suffer
04:17:21 <Nothing\> no mujahadeen or whatever
04:20:34 <hsn> Polotical is really complicated in bahrain ..
04:20:55 <hsn> Hmm no generally its very safe here
04:21:04 <Ampera> hey hsn, can you tell Nothing\ to remove me from his ignore, as I want to talk to him?
04:21:11 <hsn> Much safer than lots of places in the world
04:21:35 <hsn> Nothing\: is ampera on your ignore list?
04:21:38 <Nothing\> i gotcha
04:21:45 <hsn> Ampera: hey hsn, can you tell Nothing\ to remove me from his ignore, as I want to talk to him?
04:21:45 <Nothing\> he is, yes
04:22:11 <Nothing\> sure if he can tell me how to do that in hexchat, i haven't been able to figure it out
04:22:20 <Nothing\> otherwise i probably would have much sooner
04:22:25 <Ampera> Windows -> Ignore List
04:22:32 <hsn> ] Ampera: Windows -> Ignore List
04:22:38 <Nothing\> there's an ignore in the dropdown list but no unigonre
04:22:56 <Nothing\> done and done
04:22:58 <Nothing\> and thank you
04:23:06 <Nothing\> so what's up Ampera?
04:23:49 <hsn> Ok , see u guys
04:24:24 <hsn> Will continue later Nothing\ sorry ve to go
04:25:14 <Ampera> Was getting slightly annoying you replying to things almost the exact same way I did :P
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04:32:15 <hsn> So whats with the cat that jumps and moves alot suddenly ?
04:33:04 <Ampera> you talking about an eager pussy?
04:34:09 <hsn> Hmm
04:34:27 <hsn> Its female cat
04:34:32 <hsn> She wants male?
04:34:54 <Nothing\> man
04:35:09 <Nothing\> i broke one of my crowns last night eating candy corn from last year
04:35:22 <Nothing\> haven't even had the crown for a year and the damn thing cost me $1200
04:35:33 <Nothing\> if my dentist charges me to fix it i'm gonna be pissed
04:35:43 <hsn> https://www.catster.com/cat-behavior/what-are-the-cat-zoomies-should-you-worry
04:35:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - What Are the Cat Zoomies and Are They Ever Anything to Worry About? - Catster
04:35:54 <Nothing\> but i figure the tooth's so fucked, they'll probably have to remove it
04:36:12 <Nothing\> which means i'll have all of 1 molar left on that side of my mouth
04:36:29 <Nothing\> well, in that corner, 4 total on that side
04:36:36 <Ampera> Dentists are great, because normal insurance doesn't cover them, and dental insurance sucks ass
04:36:48 <Nothing\> so i'll probably need dentures of some sort
04:37:04 <Ampera> funnily enough, my grandfather has had dentures since he was your age
04:37:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah OHIP (government insurance) doesn't even cover dental here
04:37:11 <Ampera> not to make you feel old or anything
04:38:02 <Nothing\> hell as of recently, OHIP doesn't pay for eyecare either
04:38:08 <Nothing\> and it's never paid for medication
04:38:28 <Ampera> Unless it's surgery that will improve my vision in the future, I will never go for eyecare.
04:38:49 <Nothing\> optometrists stopped accepting it because they were only being paid something like 2/3 of the actual cost of the appointment to them
04:38:53 <Ampera> Under no circumstances will I ever wear corrective lenses, and I do not have any desire to be told to do something I'm not gonna do for money
04:39:03 <Nothing\> but the stupid thing is
04:39:12 <Nothing\> under canadian law, you cannot pay for eyecare
04:39:24 <Nothing\> so even if you have the money for it, you still can't get eyecare
04:40:04 <Ampera> so uh
04:40:09 <Ampera> how does that work?
04:40:36 <Nothing\> it doesn't lol
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04:40:43 <Nothing\> that's why people are pissed
04:40:57 <Ampera> I mean, if I go to an eye doctor, and accept their services
04:41:01 <Nothing\> it's basiclaly like they're going on strike without going on strike by refusing this insurance
04:41:02 <Ampera> and they refuse my insurance
04:41:05 <Ampera> and I can't pay them
04:41:07 <Ampera> what am I suppose to do
04:41:09 <Ampera> suck dick?
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04:41:18 <Nothing\> exactly
04:41:33 <Nothing\> they know nobody's got a choice so they have the upper hand
04:41:45 <Ampera> I mean I guess that's what happens when a government fixes prices, and then makes open market illegal
04:41:49 <Ampera> you get market failure
04:42:19 <Nothing\> man why do i always lose my jumpers drawer
04:42:36 * Ampera gives Nothing\ a sweater
04:42:41 <Nothing\> i need to see if i can convince my mom to buy a pack of overpriced jumpers from the surplus store
04:43:10 <Nothing\> $7 for like 140 pieces,
04:44:18 <Nothing\> I REALLY wish I could find like 22-23 gauge solid core steel wire and use that as a jmuper
04:44:23 <Ampera> those are pretty cheap sweaters
04:44:31 <Nothing\> lol
04:44:31 <Ampera> what are they made of, cellophane?
04:44:50 <Nothing\> ugh
04:45:47 <Nothing\> you made me reemember what it's like to wear a prison jumpsuit
04:46:03 <Nothing\> so scratchy and restrictive and never the right size
04:46:18 * Ampera cuts four holes in a large burlap sack for Nothing\
05:02:25 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:26 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:33 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:38 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:42 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:47 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:02:51 Kick: Nothing\ was kicked by steve30 (steve30)
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05:03:07 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:03:12 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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05:03:18 <steve30> did Nothing\ fall asleep at the keyboard again?
05:03:22 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:03:28 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:03:33 <Nothing\> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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05:08:22 <Nothing\> man i hate it when that happens
05:08:32 <steve30> Heeeeeeeello :)
05:08:49 <Nothing\> i should write an antiflood script for something, but i dunno enough TCL or... is it PERL that hexchat uses too?
05:09:05 <Nothing\> i wanna say TCL, PERL or maybe python?
05:09:22 <Nothing\> mircscript was nice and easy
05:10:19 <Nothing\> unless somebody wants to take a crack at it for me
05:10:28 <Nothing\> or for the good of the channel lol
05:10:30 * steve30 has no idea
05:15:32 <Erhard> What was that?
05:15:54 <steve30> Nothing\ tends to suffer from stuck letters :)
05:15:56 <Erhard> It's like when Alderan gets hit by the Death Star's Primary Weapon.
05:16:11 <Erhard> A million voices crying out in E-gony.
05:16:24 <Erhard> LOL.
05:16:53 <Erhard> Does your client auto-send when the buffer line hits a certain length? That would be terible.
05:18:10 * Ampera eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemails Nothing\
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05:19:28 <electrohead> Lol
05:19:39 * Ampera chugs electrohead
05:19:42 <Ampera> how are you doing powerguy?
05:19:51 <electrohead> hating windows
05:19:53 <electrohead> :p
05:21:08 <Ampera> me too, my friend
05:21:16 <Ampera> one day, we shall rise up in a struggle against windows
05:21:37 <Ampera> and make all of the outsiders regret in hell that they refused the true call of Linux
05:24:45 * steve30 has a windows xp machine fired up atm
05:25:09 <Ampera> if I were to fire up my XP machine I'd really be /firing up/ my XP machine
05:25:21 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3mzBWG9zo
05:25:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Backpack Fireworks Display
05:25:27 <electrohead> New Colin Furze video
05:25:38 <Ampera> booo
05:25:39 <Ampera> more tunnel
05:25:43 <electrohead> I know, right?
05:25:50 <electrohead> I've been patiently waiting for a new update
05:26:04 <Ampera> it's already dug and finished
05:26:10 <Ampera> he's just too much of a pussy to upload the rest
05:27:07 <electrohead> lol..
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05:32:44 <Nothing\> steve30, i wonder if stickykeys would help
05:33:00 <Nothing\> i've never been 100% on what it does, but the name seems to imply it can help
05:33:36 <steve30> i think sticky keys is so you can press CTRL, then ALT, then something else, rather than holding them all down at once
05:33:38 <Nothing\> it's just annoying when you're playing a game and hit shift 5 times and it takes you out of your game to try and enable sticky keys
05:33:46 <steve30> hehe
05:33:57 <steve30> i always like the beep it makes when you do that
05:34:07 <Nothing\> it's a unique noise
05:34:16 <Nothing\> i bet it used to come from the PC speaker
05:36:11 * steve30 should coffee
05:47:03 <Nothing\> Ampera,
05:47:09 <Nothing\> here's a song for YOU for once
05:47:16 <Ampera> oh god
05:47:20 <Nothing\> hopefully you haven't heard it, despite its popularity at the time
05:47:21 <Ampera> oh dear god
05:47:23 <Nothing\> no no, it's a good one
05:47:26 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8boxQD4gUg4
05:47:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 99 Luftballons
05:47:30 <Ampera> heard it
05:47:36 <Ampera> neue deutsche welle
05:47:38 <Nothing\> well, listen again
05:47:42 <Nothing\> it's good
05:47:43 <Ampera> gladly
05:47:46 <Nothing\> :D
05:47:55 <Nothing\> it's cool cuz my mum even likes it
05:47:58 <Ampera> but perhaps I should return fire with a song >:D
05:48:17 <Nothing\> i mean she's german, so she's biased, but actually i guess she sort of grew up when it was popular
05:48:18 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=m_npTC0Rvgg
05:48:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Space Song
05:48:22 <Ampera> I'm german too
05:48:30 <Nothing\> at least she was in her 20s
05:48:52 <Nothing\> i like russian folk music to
05:48:54 <Ampera> I should try to listen to more NDW songs
05:48:57 <Ampera> oh
05:49:00 <Nothing\> like katyusha, that's a good one
05:49:00 <Ampera> I gotcha
05:49:09 <Nothing\> one of my favourites i think
05:49:15 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TxSDRqdC4
05:49:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Отава Ё - Яблочко (Otava Yo - little apple)
05:49:25 <Nothing\> and of course korobeiniki. The real version, not the bastardized tetris version
05:49:30 <Nothing\> i like the lyrics
05:49:31 <Ampera> You cannot beat Отава Ё for russian folk
05:49:53 <Nothing\> about a peddler seducing a woman and sneaking a kiss in the bushes or something
05:50:12 <Nothing\> or the red army choir has some good ones
05:50:16 <Ampera> ooh nice, a song about sexual assault
05:50:22 <Nothing\> do what?
05:50:29 <Ampera> "stealing a kiss in the bushes"
05:50:33 <Ampera> rape
05:50:34 <Nothing\> oh yeah lol
05:50:44 <Nothing\> that's like this one song in new vegas, i dunno if you've played it
05:50:50 <Ampera> I hate new vegas
05:50:59 <Ampera> it's the most unstable game
05:51:00 <Nothing\> well you know the era of the music it has
05:51:11 <Ampera> yeah, 50's country and swing
05:51:31 <Nothing\> in the one song the guy's like "don't say no, cuz i insist. Somewhere somehow someone's gonna get kissed"
05:51:34 <Nothing\> it just sounds so rapey
05:51:54 <Nothing\> i think it was bing crosby actually
05:52:04 <Nothing\> which makes total sense
05:52:13 <Ampera> Bing Crosby is an absolute legend
05:52:18 <Ampera> but as shady as Sinatra
05:52:21 <Nothing\> yeah but he beat women
05:52:34 <Nothing\> but yeha the rat pack made some good music
05:52:43 <Nothing\> it's like lenon
05:52:43 <Ampera> did you give that Отава Ё song a listen to?
05:52:49 <Ampera> unless you still can't really listen to music
05:52:50 <Nothing\> ooh no i will now
05:52:53 <Nothing\> thanks for reminding me
05:52:57 <Ampera> space song too
05:53:21 <Nothing\> listening
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05:53:45 <Nothing\> different
05:53:57 <Ampera> I've loved Отава Ё's music for years
05:54:00 <Ampera> they are such good musicians
05:54:08 <Nothing\> is this like a new take on a classic song?
05:54:13 <Nothing\> or an original piece?
05:54:19 <Ampera> No clue
05:54:24 <Ampera> sometimes they do original stuff, sometimes they don't
05:54:25 <Nothing\> it's catchy
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05:54:35 <Nothing\> which is scary
05:54:42 <Nothing\> but i'll continue
05:54:54 <Nothing\> catchy means it'll be mindraping me for at least the next week
05:55:29 <Nothing\> oh yeah Ampera i put aside or gave up on qb64
05:55:42 <Ampera> you mentioned
05:55:43 <Nothing\> and assembly for now is on the back burner
05:55:49 <Ampera> learn C
05:55:52 <Nothing\> yeah
05:55:53 <Ampera> it's the perfect next step for you
05:55:57 <Nothing\> well, ++
05:55:58 <Ampera> don't even learn C++
05:55:59 <Ampera> no
05:56:00 <Ampera> learn C
05:56:09 <Ampera> trust me, it's like the latin of all modern programing languages
05:56:11 <Nothing\> wel
05:56:19 <Nothing\> i have an arduino
05:56:23 <Nothing\> so that's sort of C
05:56:28 <Ampera> No, just do desktop C
05:56:33 <Ampera> C is still in popular use for a lot of desktop software
05:56:36 <Ampera> well, it is on Linux
05:56:48 <Nothing\> will a c++ compiler generally do C as well
05:57:04 <Nothing\> like if you get a c++ compiler would it usually come with a compiler for C as well
05:57:41 <Nothing\> cuz i had so much trouble just trying to get a c++ compiler working for some reason
05:58:09 <Ampera> There are differences, not all C will compile on a C++ compiler
05:58:14 <Ampera> that being said, most C++ compilers ship with a C compiler
05:59:06 <Nothing\> hrm
05:59:17 <Ampera> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/write-c-program-wont-compiler-c/
05:59:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Write a C program that won't compile in C++ - GeeksforGeeks
05:59:19 <Ampera> Here's an easy list
06:00:21 <Nothing\> hrm
06:00:40 <Ampera> there's more, but that's just what I found
06:00:48 <Ampera> and in general, I'd say it's at least good to learn C before you learn C++
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06:20:20 <arch> stop molesting my rooster
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08:33:41 <StupidLikeAFox> Are D-Sub in an insulation displacement style an extant thing?
08:34:55 <T3sl4> sure
08:34:57 <StupidLikeAFox> this tinsel wire refuses to solder in
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08:36:40 <StupidLikeAFox> it just dissolves when I try to tin it, and even if I get it on a solder cup pin, it snaps off
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08:45:57 <Ampera> awww
08:46:05 <Ampera> you always know just what to get me
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08:46:29 <T3sl4> you are what you eat :)
08:46:31 <StupidLikeAFox> trhw wire works fine in RJ-45 plugs
08:47:12 <DHess_US> They are IDC (insulation displacement connectors), so you need to use the right wire.
08:47:38 <DHess_US> And different RJ-45 are used for solid and stranded.
08:48:47 <Ampera> 8P8C connectors are a crapshoot
08:48:53 <Ampera> and none of them are easy to wire
08:49:09 <Ampera> easily the worst connector ever made
08:49:17 <Ampera> designed to break, designed to snag
08:49:57 <StupidLikeAFox> I was scepitcal of the out the front kind at first, but I'm convinvec on them now
08:50:35 <StupidLikeAFox> DHess_US: I know that, but in practice yet to have a cable I used a normal cat-6 type plug on go bad *shrug*
08:51:37 <DHess_US> StupidLikeAFox, I've had connectors for solid fail with stranded.
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08:56:05 <DHess_US> It helps to use a good crimper. This one for instance is excellent, https://www.amazon.com/Greenlee-45553-Telephone-Ratchet-Crimper/dp/B001QS3W00
08:56:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
08:56:33 <DHess_US> I've broken several ones that used plastic crimping dies.
08:56:39 <DHess_US> Before I got that one.
08:58:30 <StupidLikeAFox> my most used crimper is a Klien one, looks vaugely like a stapler
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09:00:45 <StupidLikeAFox> it did ratchet at one point, but pretty good leverage on it and easy to feel when it's bottomed out
09:00:53 <StupidLikeAFox> so I don't miss said feature\
09:04:50 <DHess_US> That Greenlee one really crushes them.
09:09:02 <StupidLikeAFox> https://www.amazon.com/Pass-Thru-Reliable-Klein-Tools-VDV226-110/dp/B076MGPQZQ/
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09:09:07 <StupidLikeAFox> this fellow
09:13:32 <Halcyon> Morning all
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09:15:11 <StupidLikeAFox> I might have to do something pretty hacky- terminate the cable with a modular plug, then use a modular jack (or modular plug + coupler) pigtail I can actuslly solder to in the d-sub
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09:24:20 <Nothing\> heyo
09:24:23 <DogWomble_> Halcyon, need some trouts for thsoe slaps?
09:24:35 <Halcyon> Yeh they might work
09:24:52 <Nothing\> so correct me if I'm wrong, but when defining your own function in c++, it seems to me you MUST define the function before calling it
09:25:26 <Halcyon> I know nothing about C++ but seems logical to me?
09:25:49 <Nothing\> cuz when i tried defining main first, which used the function it was just "i dunno what function that is?"
09:26:05 <Nothing\> Halcyon, indeed. I just didn't expect it
09:43:00 <DogWomble_> noone expects the function imposition
09:52:35 <Nothing\> i wish there was a button i could press on the arduino to halt execution
09:53:28 <Nothing\> i'm always afraid when i connect new hardware, before i write or upload the program that somtehing in it may damage some hardware from my old project
10:01:17 <rust_collector> upload before connecting your new stuff?
10:08:04 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
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10:11:51 <steve30> https://flickr.com/photos/shefftim/51487736099/in/dateposted/
10:11:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Neepsend | Tim Dennell | Flickr
10:12:56 <rust_collector> nice!
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10:46:47 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Are Gantt charts still a thing for engineering projects?
10:48:23 <steve30> Don't know, but we studied Gantt charts as part of project management class at college
10:48:30 <steve30> (not that Dave can hear us on IRC)
10:52:05 <Nothing\> hey ho fambly
11:12:46 <T3sl4> i've seen plenty a gantt chart used by clients
11:12:50 * T3sl4 noogies Nothing\
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11:42:08 <Nothing\> there was a weird client/server thing i was reading about the other day that surprised me as i didn't think of it as a client/server but i wish i could remember what it was
11:42:38 <Nothing\> urgh it's one of those things right on the tip of your tongue that's gonna bug the heck out of me until i figure it out
11:42:55 <Nothing\> but i feel like the memory's buried too far to retrieve
12:04:23 <Nothing\> dammit
12:04:53 <Nothing\> i had a little 1" monochrone oled module i was gonna do some arduinoing with but i dunno where i put it
12:05:11 <Nothing\> took it out of its case and put it down for a second and the clutter engulfed it
12:05:47 <Nothing\> i wanted to eventually make a temperature sensor that would display the temperature on said screen
12:06:00 <Nothing\> maybe toss it in a little project box
12:06:25 <Nothing\> permafy it with perfboard
12:07:31 <Nothing\> and i tell you, one of the most unlikely valuable tools i've found for hobbyist EE
12:07:40 <Nothing\> a magnifying glass with a flashlight
12:07:57 <Nothing\> especially one of those little, but high powered fresnel lens based ones
12:09:50 <Nothing\> on the bright side, i've cleaned a good chunk of the rubbish from my desk and found enough stray jumpers to double the number i have
12:10:18 <Nothing\> plus i found all sorts of things i used to have to dip into my collections to get of due to not being able to find any
12:11:55 <Nothing\> except the fresnel lens ones use these weird lithium coin cells that i can only find at pharmacies for $9 each
12:20:21 <Nothing\> why does anything for the arduino have to be a module
12:20:24 <Nothing\> like this
12:20:26 <Nothing\> http://wiki.sunfounder.cc/index.php?title=DS18B20_Temperature_Sensor_Module
12:20:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - 412 Error
12:20:48 <Nothing\> is it really so hard to add your own 1 or 2 resistors it takes to make it work
12:21:49 <Nothing\> plus i've got some wiggle room for whatever those resistors do, i'm guessing biasing the sensor to change the current/voltage of the output or change the scale or something
12:23:14 <Nothing\> i guess the aim is to make something you can just wire up to your arduino so it works as soon as you uget a working lib
12:35:03 <steve30> i think i'll make a coffee
12:35:45 <steve30> I think the modeules are intended for cnvenience for people who can't be bothered soldering
13:10:43 <Nothing\> i WAS gonna run to the store earlier and get a coffee drink, cuz i'm nodding off every time i try to read anything
13:35:27 <DHess_US> Hmm, wonder if this will work, 籗籸粀 籲籼 籽籱籮 籽籲籶籮 籯籸类 籪籵籵 籰籸籸籭 籶籮籷 籽籸 籬籸籶籮 籽籸 籽籱籮 籪籲籭 籸籯 籽籱籮籲类 籬籸籾籷籽类粂簷
13:35:38 <DHess_US> It did!
13:35:51 <steve30> looks chinesey
13:36:04 <DHess_US> encrypted with rot8000
13:36:09 <DHess_US> http://rot8000.com
13:36:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Object moved
13:36:53 <steve30> cool
13:37:15 <steve30> 籑籮籵籵籸 籍籑籮籼籼籨籞籜
13:38:08 <DHess_US> 籑籮籵籵籸 籫籪籬籴簷
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15:59:08 <rust_collector> 籮籱籈
16:00:32 <T3sl4> 籱籲 类籾籼籽籨籬籸籵籵籮籬籽籸类
16:01:34 <steve30> 簸籶籮 籶籮籸粀籼 籪籽 籽簼籼籵簽
16:02:05 <rust_collector> hey-o 籝簼籼籵簽, 籼籽籮籿籮簼簹
16:03:22 <T3sl4> 簸籶籮 籱籪籷籭籼 籼籽籮籿籮簼簹 籪 籱籸籽 籶籲籵籴籮籭 籬籸籯籯籮籮
16:04:01 <steve30> 簳籹籾类类簳
16:04:25 <Halcyon> What are you loons doing?
16:04:38 <steve30> 籒 籫籮籽 籱籪籵籬粂籸籷 粀籲籵籵 籬籸籶籮 籲籷 籷籸粀 籪籷籭 粀籸籷籭籮类 籠籝籏 籲籼 籪籵籵 籽籱籮 籌籱籲籷籮籼籮
16:04:39 * T3sl4 rotates his owl\\\halcyon
16:04:48 <Halcyon> Owls are cute
16:04:53 <steve30> lol, halcyon came in just as I typed that^
16:04:59 <Halcyon> Except when they poop fur and bones
16:05:13 <rust_collector> hah
16:05:27 <T3sl4> Halcyon has a bad habit of not reading a few comments up from where he returned too
16:05:46 <Halcyon> Especially if it involves translating
16:05:49 <Halcyon> Cannot be effed
16:06:23 <rust_collector> have fun, I am going to the witchdoctor, to renew my drivers license
16:06:34 <Halcyon> Enjoy
16:06:36 <steve30> good luck
16:06:36 <T3sl4> which doctor is that?
16:06:43 <steve30> i might go to bed.i couldn't sleep earlier
16:06:56 <rust_collector> YAAY! I can sit in the doctors waiting room
16:07:09 <T3sl4> have an enjoysit
16:07:19 <steve30> i have to wake up this afternoon
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18:15:54 <Halcyon> Fark I love fried chicken
18:17:53 <K> but does the fried chicken love you back?
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18:50:35 <Nothing\> WHILE YOU CHEW IT
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18:52:29 <Nothing\> guess they didn't have big red where you come from
18:52:45 <Nothing\> which i keep forgetting for some reason
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18:53:31 <Nothing\> it's nothing special, just cinnamon flavoured gum
18:54:15 <rust_collector> at least not with that name. but I get results saying it is a motorcycle, big truck, feminist woman, or... I did not read more than that
18:54:36 <rust_collector> cinnamon gum... that seems a bit weird
18:59:25 <K> maybe a big feminist cinamon motorcycle?
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20:18:47 <Ampera> good morning
20:18:49 * Ampera stabs Halcyon
20:35:19 <K> hello, defiler of potat
20:35:20 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
20:35:51 * Ampera buys a bag of potato, and stores them in a damn, hot, sunny place
20:35:54 * Ampera watches those potatoes rot
20:39:42 <K> (cries)
20:46:56 <steve30> hi
20:47:11 * Ampera pets the steve30 guy
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20:54:58 * jaymax grates those potatoes for latkes
20:55:27 <Ampera> *damn -> damp
20:56:26 * jaymax includes berbere spice and puts a spot of ghee on the side
21:00:07 * Halcyon throws a Kangaroo burger at Ampera
21:00:38 <Ampera> \o/
21:00:42 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
21:00:42 * jaymax tilts head back and holds open mouth
21:00:46 <Ampera> my best fren!
21:00:48 <Ampera> <3
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21:01:47 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon?
21:02:00 <jaymax> It's too late for me to start a goth music career Ampera
21:02:42 <Ampera> you'd look cute in the black makeup
21:03:22 <jaymax> I'd look good in blackface? Awesome
21:03:37 <jaymax> LOL
21:04:10 <Ampera> I forgot you were canadian.
21:04:12 <jaymax> goths are too racist, even for canada
21:05:11 <jaymax> We'd sent Justin Trudeau out on the ice floes if we could.
21:05:42 <Ampera> silly jaymax
21:05:47 <Ampera> canada doesn't have ice floes
21:05:50 <Ampera> they've all melted
21:06:13 <Halcyon> I just had kangaroo burger
21:06:16 <Halcyon> It was yummy
21:06:19 <Halcyon> How are you Ampera?
21:06:40 <Ampera> awake
21:06:54 <Halcyon> So, the usual
21:07:15 <Ampera> I made tea
21:07:15 <Ampera> <3
21:10:01 * steve30 feels awful today
21:10:03 <Halcyon> Which flavour?
21:10:11 <Ampera> peach flavored black tea from Stash
21:10:16 * Halcyon pokes steve30 with Ampera's tea
21:10:22 <steve30> so much so that coffee tastes like flavourless liquid
21:10:22 <Halcyon> Mmmm peach
21:10:33 <Halcyon> Maybe you have the COVID's Steve?
21:10:38 <Ampera> steve30 has man covid
21:10:43 <Ampera> like man flu, but woke
21:10:49 <Halcyon> Loss of taste/smell is reasonably common.
21:11:02 <Ampera> It's not an issue for me
21:11:07 <Ampera> I never had a sense of taste nor smell anyways
21:11:19 <Halcyon> I'm about to get my third vaccination. We're starting booster shots shortly.
21:11:27 <Halcyon> I might go for the Moderna this time.
21:11:46 <Ampera> the FDA here said booster shots for most people are stupid
21:12:06 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, the rest of the the world suggests that it's needed
21:12:20 <Ampera> meanwhile the UN begs people to please remember the little people
21:12:30 <Halcyon> Several countries have already been mixing vaccines and administering booster shots.
21:12:32 <Ampera> you know, because the UN has always cared about places in trouble
21:12:58 <Halcyon> We're rolling boosters out to front-line and critical workers.
21:13:16 <Halcyon> That has been known since the orders were placed, which is why most countries ordered extra doses.
21:13:23 <steve30> is there a screen magnifier in xfce?
21:13:30 <Halcyon> Probably Steve
21:13:39 <Halcyon> I don't use it though, so I couldn't tell you
21:13:57 <steve30> i can't see my screen due to short sightedness and my glasses hurt like crap
21:14:22 <Halcyon> Can't you just ramp up the resolution or scaling?
21:15:05 <Halcyon> Go to Settings > Display and Monitor > Display Config. > Global Scale
21:15:51 <jaymax> The FDA had such an amazing bitch-slap to Pfizer regarding the universal booster application. "So where's the data that shows its need? ... None? DENIED!"
21:15:52 <steve30> i can just make out the irc text at 640x480
21:15:58 <steve30> barely
21:16:09 <Ampera> The thing is pfizer and moderna would LOVE for the rest of the world to need 3 sh ots
21:16:17 <jaymax> YUP $$$
21:16:19 <Halcyon> Oh for sure
21:16:29 <Halcyon> But $'s doesn't buy science
21:16:43 <jaymax> How about ... two shots + exposure?
21:16:47 <Halcyon> I mean it does, but they don't control how people's bodies work
21:16:55 <Halcyon> That works too jaymax
21:17:01 <Ampera> so I am not at all convinced it is necessary nor beneficial, and I think the present measures for immunocompromised people are more good wishes than actually effective
21:17:11 <Halcyon> Unfortunately, most people in AU won't be exposed to the virus
21:17:22 <Ampera> I've probably been exposed to it a dozen times over
21:17:29 <Halcyon> Probabl
21:17:30 <Halcyon> y
21:17:42 <jaymax> I won't be out licking toilet seats for that latter step, but I'm a bit bummed out when I went for a PCR test and it came back neagative.
21:17:48 <Ampera> I have a slight sore throat and mild cough right now, which could either be because of those spicy noodles I had yesterday, or I just have mild covid
21:17:53 <Halcyon> But here, if you test positive, you're actually statistically a minority
21:18:11 <Ampera> I under no circumstances will ever go get tested for it, as I fail to see the real point of that
21:18:21 <Halcyon> Ampera, if it were the noodles, I think they would have worked their way to your anus by now
21:18:29 <Ampera> My anus is immune to spicy food
21:18:30 <jaymax> I would for spite.
21:18:33 <Halcyon> That's just dumb Ampera
21:18:36 <Halcyon> Testing is a good thing
21:18:45 <Ampera> No, it's not, because here's what happens if I go to get a test
21:19:00 <Ampera> Even if I'm in a car, I will be in a big line going to a single area, full of people who all think they might have covid
21:19:10 <Ampera> If I get a positive test, I will do exactly what I am doing now, sitting on ass going nowhere
21:19:16 <Ampera> if I get a negative test, nothing has changed there either
21:19:22 <jaymax> "Breaktrough infecctions are rare" NAH THEY'RE BECOME THE RULE
21:19:25 <Halcyon> Except, if you're sick, you know the cause
21:19:29 <Halcyon> Rather than guessing
21:19:34 <Ampera> I have never once known the cause when I have been sick
21:19:41 <Ampera> Nobody does, and I don't see a special reason for that to change.
21:19:43 <Halcyon> Exactly
21:19:53 <Ampera> This could be a cold, mild flu, covid, or I could even not be sick at all
21:20:04 <Ampera> whatever it is, it doesn't really matter
21:20:07 <Halcyon> Well, that's the difference between the US and places where health care and diagnostics are largely free
21:20:14 <Ampera> tests are free.
21:20:29 <Halcyon> Can you get free blood tests and such?
21:20:32 <Ampera> I also don't want a big fucking q-tip rammed up my nose
21:20:39 <Ampera> do you mean antibody tests?
21:20:41 <Halcyon> They do saliva tests now?
21:20:46 <Ampera> No clue, though it's likely my insurance would cover it.
21:20:52 <Halcyon> No, blood screening for all kinds of things
21:20:52 <Ampera> I'm aware, but most places aren't doing those, as they're not as accurate
21:21:02 <Ampera> In general, insurance will cover that.
21:21:06 <Ampera> STD tests, etc.
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21:21:15 <Halcyon> Cholesterol, liver/kidney function, sugars, cancer markers etc...
21:21:26 <Ampera> Depends on the insurance
21:21:32 <Halcyon> That's the problem
21:21:41 <Ampera> I am of no disagreement that our healthcare system has problems
21:21:48 <Halcyon> I have NEVER had health insurance, nor do I intend to. For me, it's a waste of money.
21:21:49 <Ampera> I'm just not sure why you're telling me, a person who lives here, about them
21:21:51 <jaymax> They're not big q-tips here - more like flossing picks with extended handles.
21:22:01 <Halcyon> It gets me nothing more than I would have through the public system
21:22:16 <Ampera> Good for you, and this impacts me how?
21:22:28 <Halcyon> I'm just saying, testing and diagnostics are a good thing
21:22:32 <Ampera> You're making assertions about our healthcare despite not having experienced or used our healthcare
21:22:43 <Halcyon> Knowing the cause of something isn't just for you, but for the general health of the nation
21:22:46 <Ampera> In general, yes, for COVID, I am not confident that is the case.
21:22:59 <Ampera> Sure, the statistics are nice, but they're skewed anyways, and at this point, everyone's probably had it anyways
21:23:16 <Halcyon> They are skewed because people don't get tested, they just assume that they know better.
21:23:27 <Ampera> The risk of infecting myself or infecting others as I leave my home to get a test outweighs the benefit of the knowledge it'd provide
21:23:52 <Ampera> Because en masse COVID testing, the way it's usually performed, is a self defeating concept.
21:23:57 <Halcyon> So.... because it doesn't benefit you directly, fuck everyone/everything else?
21:24:02 <jaymax> Ampera it's 80% - America had lood at 1.1 million blood samples for antibodies past several months.
21:24:04 <Ampera> It doesn't benefit anyone else either.
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21:24:21 <Ampera> In fact, it puts everyone else at risk, since I am leaving my home and going somewhere
21:24:32 <jaymax> s/lood/looked/
21:24:34 <Ampera> cars are by no means airtight, so whatever I have, I will be spreading it through my car's air vents
21:24:45 <Halcyon> You said the stats are skewed. Therefore your government and the people who are supposed to be looking after the health of the nation are relying on faulty information
21:24:46 <jaymax> can see that.
21:24:51 <jaymax> can see that.
21:24:53 <Halcyon> Which means, everyone loses?
21:25:03 <Ampera> It'll be skewed if I go there or not.
21:25:06 <jaymax> *I* can see that.
21:25:08 <steve30> ok turns out xfce doesn't have magnifier
21:25:23 <jaymax> Another keybaord gone to shit.
21:25:27 <Halcyon> Ampera, unless someone is coughing into your air vents directly, you are extremely unlikely to contract COVID
21:25:28 <Ampera> The sheer nature of data collection means that scientists and government will always be working on missing info
21:25:39 <Halcyon> It doesn't just float around in fresh air forever and a day
21:25:54 <Ampera> Pathogens can go a far way, and it only needs to sit around in the air where I pull up to get tested
21:26:06 <Ampera> needs to last just a few minutes to get into someone's body
21:26:20 <Halcyon> Then go to a non-drive-through testing place?
21:26:25 <Ampera> They don't have them.
21:26:30 <Halcyon> *sigh*
21:26:35 <Halcyon> Well, feel better soon then
21:26:43 <Ampera> The ones they do are inside a building, which is worse
21:26:55 <Ampera> The closest thing I could probably do is order a test online
21:27:05 <Ampera> and by the time it gets here, whatever I have would have fucked off
21:27:08 <Ampera> if it was covid or not
21:27:19 <Ampera> and most online tests you do have to pay for
21:27:21 <Halcyon> Says Wikipedia?
21:27:27 <Ampera> huh?
21:27:38 <Halcyon> I'm just trying to work out where you are getting your facts from
21:27:43 <Ampera> which one
21:27:49 <Ampera> that you have to pay for online tests?
21:27:50 <steve30> come over here, we have tests in abundance
21:28:10 <Halcyon> I'm not aware of transmission occuring within a drive-through line, or within a clinic that employs proper practices.
21:28:25 <Ampera> It's a concern, not a fact
21:28:37 <Halcyon> As I said, get well soon
21:28:40 <Ampera> I never said it would happen, I'm saying the risk of it happening, in my belief, outweighs the pointless benefit
21:29:06 <Ampera> I can make these decisions if I want, and not getting tested doesn't infect more people.
21:29:06 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, I shall be getting my booster shot, I don't wish to get sick. COVID or otherwise.
21:29:08 <Halcyon> Being sick sucks
21:29:13 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:29:23 <Ampera> for all I know I'm not even sick, I just irritated my throat with hot food
21:29:25 <Halcyon> I don't have time to be sick
21:29:28 <Halcyon> Too much to do
21:29:33 <Ampera> uhuh
21:29:42 <Ampera> well I'll enjoy being in the real world where getting sick is a fact of life
21:29:51 <Halcyon> Work, gardening, living life etc...
21:29:59 <Halcyon> Meh
21:30:02 <Ampera> I don't have a life or a garden, and I work at home
21:30:08 <Halcyon> There you go :P
21:30:19 <Ampera> No clue why you're so upset about this
21:30:21 <Ampera> not your problem
21:30:25 <Halcyon> I'm not upset?
21:30:29 <Halcyon> When am I ever upset?
21:30:32 <Ampera> right now
21:30:33 <Halcyon> .... about anything?
21:30:37 <Ampera> lol
21:30:41 <Ampera> you're just mad that you're upset
21:30:47 <Halcyon> When am I ever mad?
21:31:09 <Ampera> now you're angry that you're mad that you're upset
21:31:24 <Halcyon> Refer to the above regarding time/desire. I don't want to be upset or mad. Wastes precious time. So I don't bother.
21:31:37 <Ampera> you can't avoid human nature
21:31:43 <Ampera> no matter how much you wish you could
21:31:47 <Halcyon> I would rather taste delicious meats and cheeses
21:31:50 <Halcyon> Oooh and olives
21:32:13 <Halcyon> Sure, I might get angry a handful of times per year. I'm pretty easy going
21:32:16 <Halcyon> Not much bothers me
21:32:29 <K> y'all mad
21:32:31 <Ampera> except people not blindly doing what everyone else is doing
21:32:35 <Ampera> K, you mad bro?
21:32:40 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
21:32:46 * K is mad as a potat
21:33:04 <Halcyon> *shrug* I just look after myself
21:33:30 <Halcyon> Stupidity annoys me though
21:33:36 <K> well, you work in police afterall, only fitting
21:33:37 <Halcyon> So many stupid people on this planet
21:33:45 <Halcyon> Exactly K
21:34:04 <K> (that was a bad pun about police spying on ppl)
21:34:56 <Ampera> Police know a lot about stupid people, they thing everyone is stupid.
21:35:03 <Halcyon> Oh we only spy on the shitbags
21:35:04 <Ampera> That's why they treat the general public like animals.
21:35:22 <Halcyon> And I don't mean street-level shitbags, but those who are wanting to kill people in public etc...
21:35:39 <Ampera> I can kill you in private if it makes you feel better
21:35:48 <Halcyon> I'd rather you didn't
21:35:55 <Halcyon> I like my life
21:36:00 <Ampera> Hah, loser.
21:36:05 <Ampera> The cool kids have depression and bipolar
21:36:12 <Halcyon> I got a massage today. It was lovely.
21:36:19 <Halcyon> I was never a cool kid
21:36:26 <Halcyon> And I prefer it that way
21:36:27 <Ampera> obviously, you joined the police
21:36:36 <Halcyon> Even before that
21:37:02 <Halcyon> I actually joined the cops to get a university degree
21:37:05 <Halcyon> Now I have two
21:37:16 <Ampera> were they good investments?
21:37:25 <Halcyon> Didn't cost me anything
21:37:31 <Ampera> cost you time
21:37:35 <Halcyon> Well yes, but yes.
21:37:44 <Ampera> time is worth money :P
21:37:56 <Ampera> That's why I didn't want to continue with college
21:38:00 <Halcyon> They paid for my Master's degree
21:38:06 <Ampera> as I am already making great money without having to waste my time
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21:38:44 <K> it is about making great money?
21:39:00 <Halcyon> Money isn't everything, I learned that when I was young
21:39:10 <Halcyon> I initially took a $20k pay cut to join the cops
21:39:24 <Halcyon> I was bored
21:39:33 <Ampera> you're bored now
21:39:39 <Ampera> you've told me endlessly you hate your job and want out
21:39:54 <Halcyon> Oh that was then, and it wasn't the job, it was my management
21:40:04 <Halcyon> We got rid of 1 guy, 1 more to go
21:40:05 <Ampera> being manhandled is part of the job
21:40:35 <Halcyon> I also have higher ranking people now on my side, so it's pretty sweet
21:40:40 <Halcyon> I'm actually having a lot more fun
21:41:40 <Halcyon> I can actually start implementing projects I've had in the pipeline for a while
21:46:02 <Halcyon> I need to stop watching cooking videos, I feel like egg fried rice now
21:47:02 * Ampera feels Halcyon's eggs
21:47:20 <Ampera> I took some italian sausage out of my freezer yesterday
21:47:24 * Halcyon hands Ampera a sausage
21:47:25 <Ampera> probably going to make pasta with sauce and sausage
21:51:36 <steve30> KDE does zoom :)
21:52:03 <Ampera> so does windowmaker (sorta)
21:57:08 <Ampera> T-Mobile is being fun by not letting my order two lines at once
21:57:22 <Ampera> I'm trying to get my aunt and uncle on my plan, but I may have to wait until the first one has shipped/arrived/been activated to do that
21:58:04 <steve30> i should probably install slackware 15 at some point
22:02:20 <Ampera> Slackware has always seemed neat, but I'm not sure if I have the patience to deal with zero automated dependency resolution
22:03:17 <steve30> unfortunately a lot of softwares don't provide slackware packages, so you're limited by what thing like Slackbuilds provides
22:03:32 <steve30> but slackbuilds usually tells you what dependancies you need so its easy enough to resolve manually.
22:03:36 <jaymax> I've dealt with Redhat old enough to lack automated dependency resolution (Redhat 6 IIRC) and I don't wish that hell on anyopne.
22:05:25 <steve30> I used to like debian but it got to a point where much of the software i wanted wasn't in the repo or didn't work anyway
22:06:18 <jaymax> Yeah I have one Arch container for `gitea` - debian repos cover most anything else I care about though.
22:07:44 <jaymax> BTW, if `gitea` wasn't in the Arch mainline repo - as in if it was only in the AUR, I'd never considered Arch anyway. Arch AUR is the new Ubuntu PPA.
22:08:09 <Ampera> I'd say Arch AUR is a lot less stupid than a PPA
22:08:24 <Ampera> AUR is fine so long as you know how to deal with missing build dependencies
22:08:58 <jaymax> That's the same considration for PPA, from my understanding.
22:09:20 <Ampera> PPAs are binary repositories, but maintained by someone other than ubuntu
22:09:46 <Ampera> AUR is a repository of build scripts maintained by the arch community, which pulls files usually from the source repos
22:09:47 <jaymax> Dependency hell is why I only want to deal with distros that *officially* maintain the packages I want.
22:10:06 <Ampera> a good AUR helper like yay eliminates problems with dependency hell
22:10:19 <Ampera> they're usually as easy to install as a binary package, just with the extra step of compiling
22:16:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvqf8Z13PU
22:16:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: He throw.
22:16:47 <Halcyon> Old but good
22:16:51 <Halcyon> What a butthole
22:17:38 <Ampera> oh that's nice
22:17:42 <Ampera> T-Mobile gave me a free line
22:17:43 <Ampera> out of nowhere
22:18:00 <Halcyon> When you say "line" like a new number?
22:18:21 <Ampera> Think free SIM card
22:18:26 <Halcyon> Got ya
22:18:28 <Ampera> including a number
22:18:34 <Ampera> they call those "lines" here
22:18:40 <Ampera> new one is usually 30/mo, but I got one free
22:18:46 <Halcyon> Get with the times Ampera :P
22:18:47 <steve30> i think i'll go back to bed
22:18:59 <Ampera> accounting the deals that I've made with the family on this plan, my burden will end up being 15$/mo
22:19:00 <steve30> i had a diphenhydrmine tablet so feel a bit sleepier
22:19:07 <Ampera> I may buy myself a data SIM
22:19:09 * Halcyon tucks Steve in
22:19:37 <Halcyon> Speaking of which, I probably should go sleepies too
22:20:14 * Ampera tucks Halcyon in
22:21:55 <K> Ampera secretly is Tucker Carlson
22:22:01 <Ampera> >.>
22:22:03 <Ampera> <.<
22:22:19 <Halcyon> You could be Tucker's Daughter?
22:22:59 <Ampera> ok
22:23:04 <Halcyon> Actually, you wouldn't get the reference
22:23:21 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyBscA3UBzY
22:23:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Ian Moss - Tucker's Daughter
22:23:34 <Halcyon> Great song
22:24:27 <K> there is a very depressing latvian tale for kids called "hangman's daughter"
22:25:01 <K> https://zaurs.wordpress.com/between-cultures/skalbe/hangmans-daughter/
22:25:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Hangman’s Daughter – Peregrin sum
22:25:35 <K> is a part of school curriculum here
22:44:57 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/GeJcAgS
22:44:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - look how cute - Album on Imgur
22:56:13 <steve30> i can't sleep like this
23:04:51 * Ampera gives steve30 a pet, a hug, and a bottle of scotch whiskey
23:05:00 <steve30> :)
23:10:01 <electrohead> o/
23:10:30 * Ampera attack-hugs electrohead
23:10:37 <Ampera> how are you doing PowerPCGuy?
23:11:00 * electrohead falls over
23:11:05 <electrohead> tired, come do stuff for me?
23:11:13 <Ampera> on my way, be there in a few hours
23:16:50 <electrohead> lol
23:17:20 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - LOL, copyright claim, with a pinch of bullying and harrasment! Anyone remember SunPlower? https://t.co/ms97lpQPG8 https://t.co/zUKdSUTifa
23:31:16 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Oh wow, I should have read the full email before posting. Youtube have already ruled on this that it's fair use, an… https://t.co/ijqcupR7B6
23:50:27 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - No wonder this is trending on twitter. The footage coming out of Victoria is just horrific. And there is no doubt s… https://t.co/PE20idvrci
23:55:23 <Ampera> I wonder how Dave and I would get along politically
23:55:30 <Ampera> because we seem to often say the same things :P
23:57:33 <electrohead> :p
23:58:07 * Ampera attacks electrohead with love
23:59:09 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Back when flying was a thing. https://t.co/fs7edRDIk4
23:59:19 * electrohead gets attacked
23:59:24 <electrohead> I don't feel like doing shit today, guh
23:59:38 <Ampera> drink tea
23:59:42 <Ampera> there is no better substance than tea
23:59:51 <Ampera> every single day I drink it it just improves my mood immediately
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