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05:52 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Kuschelpony and mr. Exbeer
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14:00 <rust_collector> blaaarg blarg blargh
14:19 <rust_collector> bork bork bork bork
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14:38 <Kuschelpony> yay, good news from dumpster diving
15:52 <Kuschelpony> found a digicam, seems to work when used with charged accumulators
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16:35 <K> what make/model?
16:59 * Ysjoelfir empties electrohead into rust_collector
20:34 <rust_collector> whoops
23:45 <Ampera> good morning evil friends
23:45 <Kuschelpony> Praktica DCZ5.8
24:02 <Ampera> how have we been exploiting the weak and vulnerable to our nefarious whims this fine day?
24:07 <Kuschelpony> but either the cardreader is defective or cant handle my SD card, have to buy one
25:05 <rust_collector> I think some cameras like to format their own cards? can you find an option to do that in the menus somewhere?
25:38 <rust_collector> not that I am a camera guy or anything...
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25:49 <Kuschelpony> perhaps, but i do not want to loose the other contents of the card
26:03 <Kuschelpony> will try that when im back from holiday
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34:35 <K> you went on dumpster-diving holiday?
35:20 <rust_collector> I want a dumpster, with an outboard engine, just because
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39:15 * Ampera hugs TheDude 
39:17 <Ampera> how are you doing TheDude
48:07 <TheDude> hello :)
48:43 <TheDude> managed to solve a sneaky fucking issue with my code today like 10 minutes before I left work
48:55 <TheDude> all is well today
48:59 <Ampera> hot sneaky code fucking action
49:10 <Ampera> We are currently bracing for regression q.q
49:25 <TheDude> I also took the day off tomorrow
50:04 <TheDude> going to the dentist tomorrow
50:15 <Ampera> oh that's nice
50:24 <TheDude> the appointment is at a dumb hour, so no good way to sneak it into the workday
50:24 <Ampera> I haven't been to a dentist, probably since early 2019
50:28 <TheDude> so I just took the day off
50:43 <Ampera> I'm waiting for restrictions to die off again before I go again
51:26 <TheDude> they're trying to enforce shit over here right now
51:50 <Ampera> Here they are sternly strongly recommend people, even vaccinated, to wear masks
51:55 <Ampera> but basically haven't changed many regulations
52:07 <TheDude> you need a QR code confirmation that you either had covid, are vaccinated or was tested in the last 48 hours
52:16 <TheDude> and they have to check that shit everywhere now :(
52:30 <Ampera> We have a similar system, but I have never seen a person or venue which has checked it
52:47 <TheDude> even dumb shit like eating at a restaurant outside
52:51 <Ampera> people around here are pretty chill in general, so it's not too bad
53:06 <TheDude> the government is shit here
53:17 <Ampera> the government is shit everywhere
53:22 <Ampera> just a different shade of shit
53:24 <TheDude> I watched an interview with their expert
53:46 <TheDude> the director of the national institute for public health
54:02 <TheDude> and apparently here people are pretty poorly vaccinated
54:41 <Ampera> Not sure what we're at, I think around 75% of people over 18 have had at least one shot
54:45 <TheDude> and he said that they probably should work more on getting the information to the people on how vaccination is good
54:46 <Ampera> (In NY)
54:51 <TheDude> to get people to want to get vaccinated
55:10 <TheDude> instead of taking repressive measures against those that don't want to
55:31 <TheDude> and the very next day more repressive measures came to be
55:37 <Ampera> Our president has issued a mandate which requires all companies with more than 100 employees to force their employees to be vaccinated
55:40 <Ampera> or be tested weekly
56:02 <TheDude> yeah, we also have the weekly testing now
56:04 <TheDude> as of this week
03:32 <rust_collector> yay! elections are done, so now we can have 4 more years with nothing at all happening. WOOHOO!
03:50 <Ampera> congratulations
06:34 <TheDude> uhm... you're canadian, aye?
07:08 <Ampera> hahahaha
07:09 <Ampera> hahaha
07:10 <Ampera> haha
07:11 <Ampera> ha
07:22 <TheDude> what is he
07:27 <TheDude> whois does fuckall :D
07:43 <Ampera> a lada, being driven off a cliff into a sea of tranquility
07:54 <Ampera> and possibly a viking
07:59 <TheDude> lol
08:03 <Ysjoelfir> so the democratic party did not win, rust_collector?
08:15 <Ampera> yeah only the undemocratic party won
08:15 <rust_collector> labour
08:17 <Ampera> that's how it usually goes here
08:19 <Ampera> ew labour
08:25 <rust_collector> yea
08:47 <Ampera> we don't have communists here, just different shades of fascist
09:07 <rust_collector> ok
09:18 <Ampera> and then some greens or something, maybe libertarians
09:40 <Ampera> they get put on the ballot to remind everyone not to vote for them
09:50 <Ampera> and then you get all the people who write in harambe
09:58 <Ampera> politics is fun
10:21 <Ampera> TheDude, how similar is Slovenian to Serbo-Croatian?
10:30 <Ampera> if you happen to know, and just out of curiosity
13:57 <rust_collector> I believe they are like 3rd cousins. they can probably almost understand what you mean, but it is not really similar enough. But, yes, that is just my impression of it
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14:15 <Ampera> sort of like norwegians and those other blue and yellow norwegians
14:44 <rust_collector> those are too close, I think.
14:53 <T3sl4> ohhhh sneaky, so that "dead" USB port i noticed earlier, just power cycling the hub restored it. go figure
15:15 * Ampera bludgeons T3sl4 to death with his USB hub
15:52 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/KJzQkKI.gif s/shoe/USB hub/
16:12 * Ampera throws a golden shoe at T3sl4 
16:22 * T3sl4 licks it
17:13 <Ampera> how are you doing T3sl4
17:39 <T3sl4> trying to get an STM32 project to build
17:58 <Ampera> I'm trying to fast forward my life to about 5 hours from now
18:06 <Ampera> so I can skip having to take my third attempt at a driver's test
18:22 <Ampera> unfortunately I can't just gain the perspective of someone else for those hours, so I guess I'm stuck here :P
19:07 <Ampera> if I fail this one I've just made the decision to find a testing site in the middle of nowhere and hope the proctors there aren't assholes like the ones here
19:13 <K> ooh look at mr fancy pants, has bought himeslf stm32 micros eh
21:08 <T3sl4> K: that's the neat part, i didn't have to find any, the client did :^)
21:23 <K> disgusting
21:37 <K> real stm parts or those chinese clones?
25:42 <Ampera> real parts harvested from real stm cells
26:38 <T3sl4> Ampera, that was an abortion of a joke
26:54 <Ampera> my comedy my choice
27:31 <T3sl4> the funny thing is it's a whole ass F429 but they're basically using it to blink some things. there was no real design behind it, which is where i come in now :P
29:47 <K> as i said before - disgusting
38:13 <TheDude> Ampera, regarding your question
38:26 <TheDude> they're somewhat similar
38:45 <TheDude> the syntax is mostly the same, the pronunciation of words is different
39:00 <TheDude> there are many similar/same words for things
39:17 <Ampera> Is there any general level of mutual intelligibility? As in, if you only knew slovenian, and someone was talking to you (or writing to you) in Serbo-Croatian, could you get the idea?
39:22 <TheDude> but most are different, I'd say
39:23 <Ampera> not counting alphabetic differences
39:31 <TheDude> yes, you could
40:17 <Ampera> Thanks, I think that gives me a general idea
40:29 <TheDude> if you meet serbs or croats and you talk your own language while they talk their own language
40:45 <TheDude> you can communicate reasonably
41:03 <Ampera> Would be cool to visit Slovenia and/or Croatia at some point. I'm thinking of going to Germany next year, so I'm wondering if a side trip might be practical
41:32 <TheDude> if the whole covid bullshit subsides, then yeah
41:32 <Ampera> I'd quite enjoy visiting every country in Europe at least once.
42:05 <Ampera> How widely is English spoken
42:11 <TheDude> very
42:20 <Ampera> if I had time to prepare, I'm sure I could assemble a basic pidgin German, but my main skill is in English
42:30 <TheDude> the majority here can speak english at least to a basic extent
42:33 <Ampera> to the point that I can understand most european languages better as English than I can as anything else
43:13 <TheDude> younger people pretty much all speak it
43:15 <Ampera> It wouldn't be a problem in German, because even now I could, for instance, ask a waiter what I wanted at a restaurant, even if they didn't know english. I'm just not so sure about over there.
43:35 <TheDude> the older generation might struggle a bit
44:26 <TheDude> living in a tiny country has its perks
44:32 <Ampera> one interesting thing I have learned is I apparently have eVisa access to Russia
45:01 <Ampera> since that's apparently something I can do on a German passport for 16 days, if Wikipedia is to be believed
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45:36 <Dude> derp, austnet shit the bed
45:54 <Dude> did you respond to my last message? I might not have seen it
45:59 <Ampera> what was your last and my last
46:04 <Ampera> I didn't drop, only you did
46:09 <Dude> <Ampera> one interesting thing I have learned is I apparently have eVisa access to Russia
46:09 <Dude> <TheDude> you're kinda forced to adapt, so we all speak 2-3 languages
46:19 <Ampera> I did not see that one
46:25 <Ampera> and you missed one of mine
46:30 <Ampera> <Ampera> since that's apparently something I can do on a German passport for 16 days, if Wikipedia is to be believed
46:31 <Dude> thought so
46:56 <Ampera> I don't think there is really a country in Europe I couldn't visit if I wanted to
47:01 <Dude> hey, TheDude, fuck off, I need my nick back
47:11 <Ampera> lol
47:29 <Ampera> Have you ever been to Bosnia or Serbia? What are they like
47:31 <DHess_US> You can't visit Finland.
47:31 <Ampera> in terms of visiting
47:37 <Ampera> why not
47:41 <Dude> yeah
47:43 <Ampera> they're EU
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47:54 <Dude> err
47:57 <Dude> well not Serbia
48:03 <Dude> but I have been to Bosnia
48:05 <Ampera> (responding to DHess_US, who said I can't visit Finland)
48:23 <Ampera> I could probably live in Finland if I wanted to
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48:34 <Ampera> ey there you go
48:38 <Dude> it's beautiful, but things kind of seem stuck back in the war days
48:42 <Ampera> steve30000000, you need more 0's on your name
48:44 <DHess_US> You cannot because Finland does not exist.
48:52 <Dude> like the center of Sarajevo
48:53 <Ampera> DHess_US, you're confusing finland with Australia
49:11 <Dude> the most popular streets still have buildings full of bullet holes
49:17 <Ampera> I get the impression Bosnia is a country stuck between two unhappy situations and nobody is really sure how to fix it
49:17 <Dude> like I get there was a war
49:27 <Dude> but seriously, can you not just patch that shit already?
49:42 <Ampera> Well it just goes to show how recent it was, I suppose, and simply how fucked up it was.
49:49 <Ampera> You can still find places that have the scars from WW1
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50:00 <Dude> well, I can show you that :D
50:16 <Ampera> Serbia scares me slightly, in a belarus sorta way
50:19 <Dude> the western part of Slovenia is where a major front occurred
50:28 <Dude> look up Soča front
50:41 <Dude> so I live near that
50:55 <Dude> there are loads of cool bunkers in the hills
51:19 <Dude> also people still regularly find bombs/ammunition buried in those parts
51:28 <Ampera> ah, from WW1
51:31 <Dude> yes
51:31 <Ampera> interesting
51:47 <Dude> anyhow
51:50 <Ampera> The thing is in the US we haven't had a home turf war since the 1800's
51:59 <Dude> the thing that really stuck me about Bosnia
52:02 <Ampera> you can still find civil war era remnants
52:05 <Ampera> not much though
52:17 <Dude> was that many of the woods are not passable
52:26 <Dude> because there's still a shitton of mines everywhere
52:28 <Ampera> oh yeah I know about that
52:31 <Ampera> mines, shells
53:04 <Ampera> Honestly my main concern about visiting Bosnia would be crime. Not that I live in a gated heaven myself, but it's always harder when you're alone and in a country with different dangers
53:08 <Dude> you drive through woods and there are warning signs everywhere that say "caution mines"
53:53 <Dude> I think as long as you stick to the more populated/touristy parts, you don't have that much to worry about
54:13 <Ampera> I sorta disagree with that logic, as it's the touristy parts that tend to have the worst crime
54:21 <Ampera> since who would you rather rob, rich tourists or some guy on a farm
54:21 <Dude> but I wouldn't exactly want to walk around in the middle of the night
54:33 <Ampera> you don't do that around here anyways, so that's nothing new
54:42 <Dude> well
54:44 <Ampera> I'd probably be fine, just need to make sure I don't have expensive things on me I guess
54:47 <Dude> I'm accustomed to Ljubljana
55:07 <Dude> I would regularly walk around in the middle of the night, through dark alleys back when I was a student
55:20 <Dude> and not a single person ever hassled me
55:22 <Ampera> I wouldn't do that alone even if I knew it was safe
55:30 <Dude> eh
55:40 <Ampera> I mean, here, if I had to walk home at night, I'd obviously do it
55:48 <Ampera> but I wouldn't intentionally put myself into that situation if I could help it
55:54 <Dude> haha
56:14 <Ampera> and the other thing is I live here, so I know the spots where shit goes down, what's safe, what's not
56:22 <Dude> reminds me of the time when I was walking home one time in pitch darkness
56:35 <Dude> the street I was on was not illuminated, there was only light at the end of the street
56:43 <Dude> and there was a guy coming towards me
57:00 <Dude> and he literally crossed the street and went to the other side to avoid me :D
57:08 <Dude> that was fucking awesome :D
57:10 <Ampera> social distancing :D
57:28 <Ampera> oh god, on my street there were once a group of people who I crossed to the other street to avoid
57:32 <Dude> I don't exactly look intimidating
57:36 <Ampera> there were just a bunch of people, didn't feel like walking through
57:37 <Dude> at least I don't think so
57:48 <Ampera> one of the fuckers actually asked me why I crossed the street and didn't walk past them....
57:49 <Dude> I'm just somewhat tall
58:23 <Dude> did you answer?
58:28 <Ampera> if I saw a scary dudebro going near me at night on a small indian scooter I'd shit my pants and run away too
58:44 <Ampera> I was younger, so if it was me now I would not do this, but I believe I crossed back and walked past them
59:03 <Dude> haha
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00:16 <Ampera> I think the only country in Europe right now I absolutely wouldn't visit is Belarus
00:23 <Ampera> and potentially the UK, as their cops terrify me
00:32 <Ampera> I do not like going places I cannot carry a simple pocket knife
00:34 <TheDude> Belarus def not
00:37 <TheDude> UK also
00:51 <TheDude> not too keen about France
00:56 <Ampera> I probably wouldn't go to Kosovo
01:04 <TheDude> oh yeah, def not
01:09 <TheDude> or albania for that matter
01:17 <Ampera> Not sure about Albania
01:21 <Ampera> but it's not high on my list
01:56 <Ampera> There's also parts of countries I wouldn't go near, like eastern Ukraine or Sevastopol
02:34 <Ampera> what's Montenegro like
02:38 <Ampera> if you happen to know
03:00 <TheDude> never been there
03:21 <TheDude> I'd want to check it out at some point
03:28 <Ampera> What countries have you been to anyways
03:31 <Ampera> I've only been to the US and Germany
03:43 <TheDude> let me think about it
03:56 <TheDude> it might take me a while to compile the lest
03:58 <TheDude> list*
04:08 <Ampera> lol
06:04 <TheDude> croatia, austria, italy, bosnia, germany, switzerland, france, denmark, sweden, norway, UK, ireland, greece, united arab emirates, oman, new zealand
06:17 <TheDude> and if we're counting brief layovers, also australia, china and russia
06:43 <Ampera> I'm not sure I'd want even a layover in China
06:44 <Ampera> or Australia
06:55 <TheDude> I share that sentiment
07:14 <Ampera> Australia scares me for the same reason the UK does, I don't think I'd want to visit
07:32 <TheDude> spiders?
07:35 <TheDude> mee too
07:37 <TheDude> me*
07:47 <TheDude> on a more serious note
07:50 <TheDude> fuck australia
08:22 <Ampera> hahaha
08:24 <TheDude> they denied me the layover on the way back from NZ because it was supposed to be 5 minutes longer than 8 hours
08:41 <Ampera> Australia's border policies are batshit
08:55 <TheDude> to add insult to injury, the departure of the airplane that I was supposed to be on was delayed
09:01 <Ampera> you know you've got problems when you have stricter border control than the US :P
09:07 <TheDude> so the layover would have been shorter than 8 hours anyhow
09:29 <TheDude> anyhow, that's how I ended up going to china and russia
09:31 <Ampera> I'm even more scared of NZ than Australia, it is most certainly on my do-not-travel list
09:40 <TheDude> had to find an alternative path back to venice
09:46 <Ampera> it'd have to be a pretty good business contract to make me go there
09:58 <TheDude> NZ is awesome tho
10:24 <TheDude> they have some retarded policies
10:34 <TheDude> but the country, overall, is spectacular
10:43 <Ampera> You can say the same thing about Russia
10:54 <Ampera> fucked up politics, but otherwise good people and a nice country
10:57 <TheDude> yeah, but you have more cunts in russia
11:11 <TheDude> more attractive women, tho
11:26 <Ampera> TheDude, I live in New York. We have more cunts than a gynecologist's office
11:27 <TheDude> NZ gals look like UK ones
11:39 <TheDude> so... fridge bod
11:46 <Ampera> hahaha fridge bod
11:49 <TheDude> and an... uh.. face
12:07 <Ampera> at least it's not like over here where our women are the entire fucking kitchen
12:44 <TheDude> https://www.google.com/search?q=night+out+uk+women&tbm=isch
12:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - night out uk women - Google Search
12:50 <TheDude> horrendous
13:25 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:27 <Ampera> most of them look just fine
13:37 <Ampera> people from any country can be beautiful
13:49 <Ampera> except australia, they're all ugly
14:15 <TheDude> the sun and harsh life will wear any person down
14:37 <Ampera> Did you know that most, if not all, of our states have their own military?
14:42 <TheDude> ofc people from any country can be beautiful
14:47 <TheDude> but most of them are not in the UK :D
15:04 <TheDude> did not know that
15:11 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Guard
15:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - New York Guard - Wikipedia
15:48 <Ampera> ah, there's a map, no not all of them have state militias
15:53 <Ampera> many of them are inactive, and some have none
15:55 <Ampera> but NY does
16:09 <TheDude> what do they guard against?
16:11 <Ampera> we sent a metric fuckton of troops down to the capitol after Jan 6
16:12 <TheDude> low-flying planes?
16:27 <Ampera> TheDude, if they do, then not very well ;P
16:27 <TheDude> haha, that was a cheap one :D
17:16 <Ampera> my driver's test is in a few hours
17:20 <Ampera> I just want it to be over :/
17:39 <Ampera> I don't even care if I pass anymore, I just want to not have to deal with it
17:43 <TheDude> just focus and don't make mistakes
17:54 <Ampera> I did that the last two times and still failed
18:07 <Ampera> because the proctors are assholes who ding me for stuff that isn't actually wrong
18:14 <Ampera> and then practically heckle me while I'm driving
18:17 <TheDude> such as?
18:26 <Ampera> not pulling into the intersection while waiting to take a left turn
18:45 <Ampera> not making my left turns wide enough
18:54 <Ampera> into small side streets that basically don't have lanes
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19:18 <Ampera> not looking at the exact place and thing that they want me to while driving,
20:00 <TheDude> well
20:04 <TheDude> best of luck then
20:08 <Ampera> basically everyone else seems to have gotten an easy ride in getting their license, but now apparently I have to deal with this bullshit
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47:29 <Kuschelpony> lol I'm so old I remember when "my toaster runs unix" was just a silly joke.
50:21 <DHess_US> This is the future, where toasters really do run UNIX.
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23:48 <steve30000> Austnet doesn't like me this evening
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06:40 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/WAR4EIkAdz4?feature=share
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38:48 <Ampera> Just passed my driver's test
39:18 <rust_collector> YAAY! now you can start learning to drive, woohoo
39:39 <rust_collector> so, are you going to mexico?
43:29 <TheDude> ayy :)
43:30 <TheDude> nice
43:46 <TheDude> now you can legally endanger other people, sweet
51:25 <electrohead> Ampera: fuck yes \m/
51:41 <Ampera> electrohead, gonna come fuck you up soon
51:43 <Ampera> with love
51:56 <electrohead> Lol
52:05 <rust_collector> go rub styrofoam on his windows
52:44 * Ampera gives rust_collector a large multi-layer cake made entirely of styrofoam and icing
52:57 <rust_collector> thanks!
21:48 * T3sl4 crashes Ampera's party
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26:49 * Nothing\ sighs
26:52 <Nothing\> sad news guys
26:55 <Nothing\> https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/norm-macdonald-dead-dies-snl-1235064570/
26:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Norm Macdonald Dead: Comedian and 'SNL' Star Dies at 61 - Variety
26:58 <Nothing\> :(
27:08 <rust_collector> HEY!
27:08 <Nothing\> i'll never forget his weekend updates
27:13 <Nothing\> or celebrity jeopardy
27:15 <Nothing\> hey rust_collector
27:20 * T3sl4 pats Nothing\, offers pita chips and hummus
27:25 <Nothing\> nobody played burt reynolds like norm macdonald
27:31 Nick: steve30000000 is now known as steve30
27:32 * rust_collector offers a small cat
27:33 * Nothing\ noms happily
27:35 <Nothing\> brb
27:46 <steve30> o/
27:48 <Nothing\> providing weather report to elderly mother lol
27:56 * T3sl4 chips steve30 too
28:15 <rust_collector> "yes mom, it is still weather"
28:45 <steve30> i'm tired
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33:46 <rust_collector> oh crap
34:03 <Nothing\> lol she's not that old
34:03 <stark> haha
34:11 <Nothing\> i just wanted to watch a video with her about the forecast
34:17 <Nothing\> tornado warnings and severe thunderstorms etc
34:25 <Nothing\> exciting stuff!
34:31 <Nothing\> we had a hell of a lightshow last night
34:41 <rust_collector> hello stork. this is channel, channel, this is stork, my indian boyfriend
34:53 <stark> lmao
34:58 <stark> great way to break the ice
35:13 Nick: T3sl4 is now known as batman
35:18 <batman> Tony.
35:20 <stark> hello peeps
35:21 <EEVBot> Hello, stark!
35:25 <Nothing\> the type of storm where it's literally like a strobe light. You got flashes of light every few seconds and the constant rumble of distant thunder punctuated by the crash of nearby strikes
35:37 <Nothing\> batman, baman baman baman!
35:41 Nick: batman is now known as T3sl4
35:44 <stark> batman: yes bruce
36:08 <stark> EEVBot: coolio
36:09 <EEVBot> stark: nega-tory, ghost rider!
36:19 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/0aCwIIB.jpg
36:33 <Nothing\> it's funny, the video of me just smoking a cigarette has 10x more views than any of the severe thunderstorm videos i posted
36:33 <T3sl4> oh, it was surnames. my bad
36:52 <Nothing\> you'd think severe thunderstorms would be more interesting than a bum smoking a cigarette
37:12 <Nothing\> you know that just got me thinknig
37:24 <Nothing\> my exwife used to be able to aspire air into her vagina on command
37:28 <T3sl4> bum a fag? you should start a onlyfans
37:43 <Nothing\> i wonder if you put a cigarette in there if she'd be able to smoke with her vagina
37:54 <Nothing\> and i know she's not the only woman who can do that on command
38:09 <Nothing\> like she could suck air in and pussy fart on command
38:17 <T3sl4> queefs are normal
38:19 <Nothing\> which come to think of it
38:28 <Nothing\> i'm sure her church congregation would love to hera about
38:35 <Nothing\> T3sl4, sure i knew that
38:44 <Nothing\> i just didn't know voluntary queefs were normal until then
39:07 <Nothing\> it's like how i'm somehow able to stuff my penis completely inside of myside
39:20 <Nothing\> like i can stuff it in until i'm up to my second knucle
39:35 <Nothing\> presumably some adipose tissue is padding it a bit but it's still weird and neat
39:49 <Nothing\> okay weird point to leave off at but i've gotta go eat dinner lol
40:00 <Nothing\> if there are any follow up questions i'd urge you to ask them now
40:08 <Nothing\> or statements
40:42 <Nothing\> i also used to be able to fellate myself, but i'm no longer than limber
40:56 <Nothing\> i stopped once my legs started going numb and paralyzed every time i did it
41:32 <Nothing\> but i put to rest (at least in my own head) the whole idea that it's impossible without surgery to remove ribs a la that playground myth about marilyn manson
41:40 <Nothing\> or whomever it was on your playground
41:51 <Nothing\> now onto an EE question
42:39 <rust_collector> didn't you have dinner or something?
43:03 <Nothing\> in an RC circuit, or a i guess any LC, RC, RLC circuit, is there any difference between the cutoff frequency and the resonant frequency?
43:15 <T3sl4> yes
43:23 <Nothing\> are they opposite in some way?
43:32 <Nothing\> or related at all aside from the time constant and pi
43:33 <T3sl4> no
44:00 <Nothing\> huh see for some reason i always thought they wer ethe same until i realized last night the formulas were different
44:32 <Nothing\> and here i thought after 2 years i'd memorized everything on my whiteboard by now
47:57 <Nothing\> also another question
48:22 <Kuschelpony> resonance needs an L and an C so a resonance frequency can only be assigned to an circuit that has both
48:22 <Nothing\> i can't remember the ide, but it was for java, i went to look at this project i had just to try it out
48:26 <Nothing\> and all the filse were C
48:27 <T3sl4> does semen taste sweet after eating pineapple?
48:34 <Nothing\> T3sl4, supposedly
48:35 <Kuschelpony> a cutoff happens in any R-C and L-R circuit
48:42 <Kuschelpony> an RLC has both
48:42 <Halcyon> Morning all
48:49 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
48:55 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i mean there is incontrovertible proof that apetite has an affect on semen taste
49:20 <Nothing\> and i've always heard the semen of a man who eats more fruit and veg than meat tastes sweeter
49:24 <Nothing\> less unpleasant, somehow
49:38 <Nothing\> (i've had a LOT of LGBT friends)
49:48 <Nothing\> lol one of them even had a recipe for artificial semen
50:06 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I can vouch for that :P
50:09 <Nothing\> i forget what it was exactly, I think mostlf PVA glue and flour or something
50:33 <Nothing\> which, do you know they use PVA glue in cigarettes to clue the paper closed?
51:01 <Nothing\> kinda gross when you think that rolling papers sold for cannabis use some sort of natural gums for the adhesive
51:31 <Nothing\> not that natural's inherently safer than artificial, but i think just about anything's better than smoking PVA
52:31 <Halcyon> Anyway, how did you guys get onto this topic?
52:59 <Nothing\> lol any time i see somebody all "natural is better/safer" I like to tell them something like "yeah, now I'm gonna go eat my uranium ore, snort some asbestos and have a side salad with belladonna, foxglove, manchineel, and datura
53:05 <Nothing\> Halcyon, me
53:07 <Nothing\> how else?
53:09 <Nothing\> lol
53:10 <T3sl4> Halcyon, you're always connected, don't you have readback?
53:28 <Halcyon> That involves scrolling
53:28 <Nothing\> or rather i should say
53:32 <Nothing\> me and my idle thoughts
53:37 <Nothing\> T3sl4, he's got you there
53:41 * steve30 collapses on to Halcyon 
53:51 <Halcyon> Thinking of changing your diet are you Nothing\ ?
53:54 <Nothing\> steve30, you just made me think of austin powers
53:54 <Halcyon> Hello Steve :)
53:59 <Nothing\> "oh i fell over"
54:04 <Nothing\> "oh i fell over again!"
54:30 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i've already changed it somewhat. Lost me 5lbs so far :D.
54:46 <Halcyon> And.... is your jizz sweeter? :P
54:56 <Nothing\> but yeah, it's not ideal for a diabetic. So I've gotta nip that in the bud while i still have eyes and feet and kidneys
55:05 <Nothing\> lol i couldn't tell you
55:24 <Halcyon> Hahaha
55:27 <Nothing\> i wonder how drinking nothing but soylent changes the flavour
55:28 <Halcyon> Well, report back :P
55:36 <Halcyon> What the hell is Soylent?
55:45 <Nothing\> it's pretty cool actually
56:06 <Nothing\> it's an actual medically approved drink that provides all of the nutrients and nourishment a person needs to live
56:34 <Nothing\> so you can live off of the stuff for weeks at a time with no ill effects, except maybe some GI discomfort from your GI tract having nothing but liquid in it
56:45 <Halcyon> Has that got anything to do with that old movie Soylent Green?
56:55 <Nothing\> but it's promising to help out a lot withcases where people are unable to eat normal food
57:07 <Nothing\> they can just feed to them with a feeding tube
57:11 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol no
57:21 <Nothing\> i have no clue why they chose that name
57:24 <Halcyon> Yeh right. And the taste?
57:31 <Nothing\> i'm not sure
57:39 <Nothing\> i've heard it's tolerable at least
57:42 <Nothing\> but that was at launch
57:47 <Nothing\> several yeras ago
58:04 <Nothing\> i'm sure tehy've added chocolate and vanilla etc flavourings since
58:10 <steve30> I'm tired and my shoulder hurts when i move it in to certain positions
58:14 <Halcyon> It sounds like it would be disgusting
58:21 <Halcyon> steve30, did you sleep weird?
58:37 <Nothing\> steve30, i hope you're net developing a rotator cuff tear like me
58:44 <Nothing\> cuz that sounds the way mine started out
58:45 <steve30> no, but i had a headache this morning so i went back to bed for the rest of the day
59:08 <Nothing\> and over subsequent weeks and months, my shoulder became increasingly more crippled
59:27 <Nothing\> like trying to rotate it 360 degrees, i can only manage 120
59:35 <Nothing\> and i can't lift my arm above my head
59:49 <Nothing\> anything above parallel with my collar bone
00:01 <steve30> I already have a dodgy shoulder due to hypermobility, but its not been problematic for a few years
00:11 <Nothing\> THANKFULLY it doesn't uhrt 24/7. Only when i do something to irritate it.
00:28 <Nothing\> but when when I do something to irritate it. It'll shoot up from like a 2 to a 7 or 8
00:33 <Nothing\> out of 10
01:00 <Nothing\> which to me, 7 is borderline unbearable and 8 fully uneabearable to the point it makes me breathing ragged
01:14 <Nothing\> but luckily again, that pain only lasts a few minutes
01:28 <Nothing\> got my first session of physio for it on monday :D
01:56 <Nothing\> but it sucks cuz i had to cancel my physio and doctor's appointment for an assessment last week cuz i was having stomach problems
02:15 <rust_collector> electrohead what was your site called again?
02:19 <Nothing\> between stomach problems and anxiety attacks, i barely got anything done last week
03:00 <rust_collector> did you get anything done the week before?
03:24 <Nothing\> steve30, so what's hypermobility mean?like you dislocate it too easily? Like your ligaments are loose so the joint can move in unnatural directions, causing other tendons and ligaments to be stretched in unnatural ways
03:35 <Nothing\> at least taht's what i imagine when you say it
04:03 <steve30> Pretty much, although in my case they aren't so bad that my joints dislocate
04:13 <Nothing\> that's good
04:23 <steve30> my shoulder 'subluxes'
04:32 <Nothing\> cuz i'm sure i don't have to tell you, once you dislocate a joint, it becomes easier each subsequent time
04:40 <Nothing\> ah
04:56 <steve30> and other joints seem to do that too
05:12 <Nothing\> but my doc was saying physio may notbe enough. If the tear is bad enough i'll need surgery.
05:23 <Nothing\> But I get the sense if that were the case, i'd be in more pain.
05:26 <Nothing\> and more crippled
06:00 <Nothing\> oooh
06:09 <Nothing\> remake of Diablo II coming out next month
06:15 <Nothing\> AND a new Metroid game
06:44 <Nothing\> looks like mum's gonna have to wait a bit for me to pay her back lol
07:01 <Nothing\> ah i'm jk, i'll probably forego diablo ii until my next pay day
07:28 <Nothing\> it just sucks cuz the only way to get it on PC (or diablo 3) is through battlen.net
07:49 <Nothing\> but i don't really want to install something that's basically Steam for like 10 games
08:48 <Nothing\> they've got a version of it for the switch but you never know what content they cut out of the game
09:02 <Nothing\> plus, graphics aren't as nice as PC
10:24 <Nothing\> even though I was 40 hours into a game of Final Fantas XII on my switch, I started a new game on the PC version just for the nice graphics.
11:18 * Nothing\ smokes his high THC cannabis extract
11:33 <Nothing\> they say these are supposed to be vapes, but holy crap does it hurt my lungs
13:06 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
13:08 <Ampera> how are you
13:11 <Nothing\> i only end up getting 1 or 2 one gram cartridgese a month. Any more and it's just too much.
13:16 <steve30> i think i'll go back to bed soon
13:19 <Nothing\> i'm great man, thanks for asking
13:23 <Nothing\> how about you?
13:45 <Nothing\> Ampera, i had this old friend i lost touch with after i nixed my FB account a year or so ago
13:57 <Ampera> I passed my driver's test today
13:57 <Nothing\> and her last name finally came to me last night
14:08 <Nothing\> so i finally sent her a message and friend invite
14:13 <Nothing\> ah no shit?
14:19 <Nothing\> congrats man!
14:31 <Nothing\> seriously, driving opens up a HUGE world of freedome for you
14:38 <Nothing\> driving IS freedom
15:05 <Ampera> yeah so now I can finally do a job I've been wanting to do since I've known you
15:16 <Nothing\> oh yeah did you guys get any thunderstorms last night?
15:17 <Ampera> I can finally go up there and put you out of my and your misery forever
15:25 <Nothing\> cuz we had a damn fine light show
15:28 <Ampera> probably not
16:02 <Nothing\> one of those strobe light type storms where the lightning's going every few seconds and you hear the canstant rumble of distant thunder
16:16 <Nothing\> and the accossional sharp crack of a nearby one
16:32 <Nothing\> i love those sorts of storms
16:45 <Nothing\> and they'r ecalling for another one tonight :D
17:05 <electrohead> o/
17:14 <electrohead> rust_collector: what site?
17:15 <Nothing\> heya electrohead
17:21 <Nothing\> how's it going buddy?
17:24 <electrohead> Nothing\: hey mate
17:31 <electrohead> it's going, doing the work thing and stuff (tm)
17:34 <electrohead> lol, you?
17:49 <rust_collector> your... the one with the arduino-ish things, and stuff
17:51 <Nothing\> right on
17:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, you're
18:02 <Nothing\> JEEZ
18:14 <Nothing\> WHAT ARE YOU? NEW?
18:30 <rust_collector> hello Nothing\ what are you?
18:37 <rust_collector> I mean.. yes?
18:41 <electrohead> rust_collector: https://hellnet.xyz
18:42 <EEVBot> [Title] -  === hellnet.xyz - home === 
18:50 <rust_collector> ah yes, thanks
19:07 * T3sl4 lubes up electrohead
19:19 * electrohead films
19:21 <electrohead> lol, hey T3sl4
19:30 <electrohead> rust_collector: no problem, what are you looking for?
19:30 <T3sl4> oil film, quite
19:36 <electrohead> yup, pure oil
19:37 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i am that i am
19:42 * rust_collector makes squeaky sounds, before anyone does anything
19:54 <Nothing\> the one who is called I AM
20:39 <rust_collector> oh-k
21:10 <T3sl4> don't hydroxylate K!
21:10 <rust_collector> electrohead nothing really. I just have to look at things now and then
21:49 <electrohead> ahh ok
22:03 <steve30> i should probably have some paracetamols as i feel a headache coming on again
22:18 <electrohead> rust_collector: anything in particular?
23:10 <rust_collector> nah. I am just a bit bored. I need to look at other peoples projects, so I can give up, and stop thinking about it
24:04 <electrohead> lol
32:26 <rust_collector> oh, did you get the antenna thing done?
33:04 <rust_collector> and you can chat with people in japan on a 3 watt radio now?
35:21 <T3sl4> one point twennyone jigananowattts!?
38:38 <electrohead> I also have RF/antenna projects, going on
38:45 <electrohead> err, always*
38:52 * electrohead offers steak
39:00 * Ampera tackles electrohead, and then runs off with the steak
39:09 <electrohead> you can have half, haha
39:17 <Ampera> sure, I pick both halves
39:25 * T3sl4 steaks Ampera to the ground, like so many antenna outriggers
42:48 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
44:00 <Nothing\> lemme ask you guys something
44:14 <Nothing\> is there any point in learning select case statements in QB/QB64?
44:21 <T3sl4> yes?
44:32 <Nothing\> they seem kind of redundant compared to if statements
44:36 <Nothing\> T3sl4, explain
44:46 <Nothing\> because it's a core piece of the language?
44:48 <T3sl4> semantically, yes
45:04 <Nothing\> isthat all, though?
45:36 <T3sl4> also the kinds of things you can select in BASIC, it's often going to compile to a big if-then-else anyway
45:56 <Nothing\> hrm
46:20 <T3sl4> but used properly, and assuming QB64 does it right, it can use a jump table so the check is O(1) instant, not O(N) checking each one
46:28 <electrohead> that's all really select/case statements are, just a fancy way to define if/then/else statements
46:49 <T3sl4> which is in part why switch statements are usually much more restrictive in C, Java etc
47:02 <Nothing\> like for example, i was trying to make a simple exercise program last night that would generate 100 random numbers between 1 and 10, and then list how many of each number came up and what percentage that is
47:08 <Nothing\> never did get it working
47:18 <T3sl4> accumulate into an array
47:47 <Nothing\> but the select case statement i had to tally the numbers selected was just so convoluted cuz i had to have a case for each possible number it could select
48:08 <Nothing\> and then if that case was true it would increment a corresponding integer variable
48:27 <Nothing\> but yeah actually, an array would be cleaner
48:42 <Nothing\> i haven't used them much yet so that gives me a good excuse
49:04 * electrohead iterates Nothing\
49:11 <Nothing\> i'm just eager to get into the neat stuff that qb64 can do that QBasic couldn't
49:27 <T3sl4> FOR i = 1 TO 100: r% = RND * 10: A(r) = A(r) + 1: NEXT
49:28 <Nothing\> but i've gotta get a handle on the basics first
49:35 <Ampera> If you think of it, a switch statement is kinda like an array of jumps indexed against an array of keys
49:46 <T3sl4> oh, and the consistent %'s
50:02 <Nothing\> what's the colon for?
50:09 <T3sl4> pooping
50:13 <Nothing\> that's new to me i think
50:16 <Nothing\> haha
50:24 <Nothing\> poop humour never gets old
50:25 * Ampera removes half of T3sl4's colon, leaving him with a ;
50:39 * T3sl4 empties his colostomy bag over Ampera
50:45 * electrohead films
50:48 * Ampera orgasms
50:52 <Nothing\> i found this neat version of basic for Android called RFO Basic
51:05 <Nothing\> it seems really versatile from what i've read
51:15 <Halcyon> You guys are fuckled
51:17 <Halcyon> fucked
51:21 <Nothing\> i remember fiddlefarting around in it years ago
52:00 <Ampera> hey Halcyon, guess what
52:09 <T3sl4> fanarkled
52:15 <Nothing\> and hey
52:17 <electrohead> Ampera: that's what.
52:17 <Ampera> I got my license
52:34 <Nothing\> is it me or has google dumbed down the default picture taking app in android?
52:40 <Halcyon> What Ampera?
52:46 <Nothing\> used to be i could set exposure times up to a minute or more
52:50 <Ampera> look up :P
52:55 <Nothing\> and iso settings up to 6400
53:06 <T3sl4> Ampera: DLs nutz
53:13 <Nothing\> but now i have no control over exposure time
53:29 <Halcyon> OH!
53:29 <Nothing\> and iso setting only goes up to either 1600 or 3200, i forget
53:30 <Halcyon> YAY!
53:32 <Halcyon> Congrats!
53:32 * Ampera grand theft anuses T3sl4 
53:33 <Halcyon> :D
53:38 <Ampera> ur rectum are belong to me
53:41 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6gJ6Ml729E
53:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: RIDE - Look Mum No Computer (Official Audio)
53:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, you did it wrong
53:48 <T3sl4> theft assumes it wasn't freely given
54:03 <Nothing\> ALL UR RECTUM ARE BELONG TO US
54:18 <Ampera> that's presuming I was trying to make that reference
54:23 <Ampera> I was just being weird
54:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, someone set up us your mom
55:12 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
55:39 * T3sl4 gives electrohead a single 555 floating in perfume served in a man's hat
55:50 <Nothing\> lol
56:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i've always toyed with the idea of eating a transistor and/or DIP
56:11 * electrohead severes off T3sl4's op amp
56:15 * Ampera gives T3sl4 an abstract simpsons reference
56:35 <Nothing\> but god help you if a DIP20 goes down sideways
56:52 * Ampera dips Nothing\ in a vat of boiling cheese
57:11 <Nothing\> mmm grapefruit
57:55 <Nothing\> you guys should seriously play around with qb64
58:02 <Nothing\> i mean it's no c++
58:05 <T3sl4> i did
58:08 <Nothing\> but at least my computer will run it
58:11 <T3sl4> like, 15 years ago lol
58:14 <Nothing\> T3sl4, right on
58:16 <Nothing\> haha
58:21 <T3sl4> wait, has it really been that long? damn
58:30 <Nothing\> yeah i'm what they call a bit of a "late bloomer"
58:40 <Nothing\> T3sl4, tell me about it
59:11 <Ampera> c++ is gay
59:43 <T3sl4> hmmm
59:55 <T3sl4> nah, C++ is metro at best. i'd think Ruby is gay
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01:11 <T3sl4> i guess that makes Brainfuck amperisexual?
02:04 <Ampera> T3sl4, ATI ruby?
02:09 <Ampera> damn I hope, that'd make her even hotter
02:12 <Ampera> and she doesn't even exist
07:08 <Nothing\> https://rfobasic.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
07:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - RFO-BASIC! Manual
07:20 <Nothing\> yeah, i could never get a handle on c/c++
07:29 <Nothing\> plus i can't get anything to compile it
07:43 <Ampera> C compiler is dead simple on Linux
07:47 <Ampera> on Windows it becomes a nightmare
08:04 <Nothing\> like i've got codeblocks and mingw, but as far as i can tell there's no way to specificy in codeblocks where your compiler is
08:14 <Ampera> mmm, minge
08:21 <Ampera> your best bet is visual studio
08:24 <Ampera> and use its C/C++ compiler
08:27 <Nothing\> it just has a list of common compilers you choose from but when i choose mingw it doesn't work
08:42 <Nothing\> i just get an error saying it can't find a compiler
08:43 <Ampera> either that, or dev on Linux, where toolchains are actually important
09:09 <Nothing\> which is dumb cuz i remember last time i used codeblocks on windows i just installed it and it worked instantly
09:28 <Nothing\> didn't even need to dl a compiler or anything. Musta come with one
09:48 <Nothing\> i tried python too and than was just... no
10:05 <Ampera> python dumb
10:13 <Nothing\> what do you think of TCL?
10:23 <Ampera> the electronics company?
10:29 <Nothing\> the language
10:41 <Ampera> ahhhhhhh
10:43 <Ampera> I remember that
10:57 <Ampera> I've tried to use Tk, but I just couldn't give enough of a shit to deal with its TCLisms
11:00 <Ampera> never used it, don't know
11:20 <Nothing\> tool command language
11:37 <Nothing\> you may have heard of TCL/tk
11:43 <Nothing\> like if you tried to install GIMP
11:49 <Nothing\> you'd need that i believe
11:49 <Ampera> I just fucking said TK
11:52 <Ampera> >:(
11:53 <Ampera> also no?
11:57 <Ampera> GIMP uses GIMP ToolKit
11:58 <Ampera> GTK
12:05 <Ampera> and is written in C
12:07 <Nothing\> ah sorry i didn't see that bit
12:15 <Nothing\> but that's good to know re: gimp
12:26 <Ampera> That's what GTK was invented for
12:57 <Nothing\> you i know they two were closely linked somehow.
13:08 <Nothing\> But didn't realize it was that much-
13:11 <Ampera> originally GIMP used Motif
13:47 <Ampera> but they figured out the people who made motif were the sort of people who couldn't bring themselves to read a book unless it had been thoroughly bleached and starched
13:56 <Nothing\> did you know that ronald macdonald's
13:59 <Ampera> and as a result, had made a fucking hydra of a toolkit
14:04 <Nothing\> ?
14:17 <Ampera> you've never used motif, but it's uh
14:20 <Ampera> yeah it's a thing alright
14:33 <Nothing\> indeed...
14:35 * Nothing\ shudders
14:38 <Ampera> Awesome look to it, but designed by very corporate stuffy types
14:46 <Nothing\> he is?
14:51 <Ampera> wha?
14:56 <T3sl4> Nothing\, Options/Compilers, a whole list of em, and where to find em
15:03 <Nothing\> i never thought ronald macdonald was that fun to look at
15:12 <Nothing\> creepy if nothing else
15:14 <Ampera> Motif you moron
15:16 <Ampera> :P
15:16 <Nothing\> but to each their own
15:20 <Nothing\> ah lol
15:29 <T3sl4> i just spent a few hours this morning, setting it up for arm-none-eabi-gcc, which was a bit of an exercise but it seems to be building
15:30 <Nothing\> speaking of such things
15:39 <Nothing\> what's your guys' opinion on oracle?
15:49 <Ampera> I want ronald mcdonald to tie me up in his greasy sex dungeon and whisper in my ear that the milkshake machine is broken
15:53 <T3sl4> native (windows/linux) and avr seem to be the easiest in cb, others idk
16:02 <Ampera> Nothing\, they are a cult
16:21 <Nothing\> should I get it to learn Java? and would it be possible to use with other langugaes? I'm not 100% clear what it is other than some sort of IDE
16:39 <Ampera> If you know how linux toolchains work it's very similar with Windows (doing it the POSIX way anyways), but it's got a lot of fiddly crap to it
16:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, milkshake machine's broken so he'll have to use you?
16:49 <Ampera> huh?
16:55 <Ampera> Oracle is a company
16:59 <Nothing\> and use you HARD
17:13 <Ampera> IMO Java is a dead end. C#/.NET5 is a far superior and largely similar language/vm
17:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's also a utility or suite of utilities
17:30 <Ampera> Unless you have a specific reason to use Java, it's just too old and too messy
18:02 <Ampera> Nothing\, I think you might have that wrong
18:12 <Nothing\> yeah i think so too, looking at oracle's site
18:30 <Nothing\> but i agree, even just based on the VERY limited experience i've had with java
18:43 <Nothing\> the syntax was just so arbitrary seeming
19:00 <T3sl4> also Ampera, https://i.imgur.com/EJUKEzd.mp4
19:00 <Ampera> no that's not why
19:07 <Nothing\> no i know Ampera
19:09 <Ampera> that's just because you don't know how to program :P
19:14 <Nothing\> i'm just saying that was MY experience as a newb
19:21 <Nothing\> exactly lol
19:34 <Ampera> While there's plenty of time for Microsoft to fuck it up, .NET5 really is a unifying VM
19:51 <Ampera> unlike Java where you have so much legacy code forever tied to ancient insecure jre's
19:52 <Nothing\> there's a .net5 now?
19:58 <Ampera> .NET6 is around the corner
20:00 <Nothing\> what was it released with windows 11?
20:02 <Ampera> no
20:09 <Nothing\> is .net6?
20:14 <T3sl4> as i recall, java 8+ added some weird stuff with syntactic sugar for iterators and whatnot, it's probably gone further off the rails since then
20:14 <Ampera> idk
20:25 <Nothing\> oh yeah lol
20:30 <Ampera> I never was deep enough into Java to learn the finer quirks
20:34 <T3sl4> i leared java 6 or thereabouts, it was nice, at least, the core datastructures/algorithms part
20:35 <Ampera> Java was my first language, though
20:53 <Nothing\> avg told me today that people can see my ip address, which is apparently a deadly liability on the internet
20:53 <Ampera> Microsoft have actually discontinued the real .NET Framework that used to come with Windows
21:04 <Ampera> it's been replaced by .NET Core, which has now been named .NET proper
21:08 <Nothing\> then it showed me this ip address saying it was mine
21:18 <T3sl4> if you want a darkened alleyway of stolen grammar, just learn C++. the language that literally can't be parsed unambiguously
21:30 <Ampera> C++ is a language that has been invented multiple times
21:31 <Nothing\> even though it was ipv4 and not even close to the same block i used
21:37 <Ampera> unfortunately they haven't uninvented the last times
21:47 <Ampera> C is archaic, but it's stupid simple
21:55 <Nothing\> do networks even still use ipv4 for anything?
21:57 <Ampera> there's not much to it, yet it literally runs the world
22:00 <Ampera> yes, the entire internet is IPv4
22:06 <Ampera> IPv6 adoption is still in its infancy
22:08 <Nothing\> really...
22:11 <Ampera> like 25 years later >.>
22:24 <Ampera> most major websites don't support it
22:27 <Ampera> mine does though
22:28 <Nothing\> yeah they've been taking their sweet time
22:34 * Halcyon supports Ampera
22:36 <Nothing\> but i thought it was done already
22:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're not a bra, you're just a bro
22:44 <T3sl4> C is just complicated enough to be equal parts easy and footgun
22:58 <Ampera> oh yeah, you can shoot yourself in the foot with C even if you know what you're doing
23:02 <Nothing\> at leasti assumed it was done by now
23:08 <Nothing\> Ampera, pointers?
23:12 <Halcyon> I can cup them
23:12 <Ampera> C can go the way of COBOL and we'll still be dealing with that mess for decades
23:34 <Nothing\> iirc pointers can get you into trouble
23:39 <Nothing\> or memory manipulation
23:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, the better way to say that is memory safety
23:47 <Nothing\> like, of specific bits of memory
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24:06 <Ampera> C's variables are all pointer oriented, and the spicier stuff like memory allocation and arrays are all pointer math
24:38 <Ampera> so to do most things, you need to programmatically modify pointers, usually using some form of input as a base
24:41 <Nothing\> see, working with emulators of old computers in assembly, manipulating memory directly is natural to me
24:59 <Ampera> most major security vulnerabilities in C/C++ software is when people find a way to get that code to modify a pointer in an illegal way
25:11 <Nothing\> so i'd probably really screw things up if i tried say, writing something in asm for a x86-64 system
25:16 <Ampera> You don't really manipulate memory in C manually
25:33 <Ampera> it has its own library for memory allocation, and you can access all of memory without any trickery in C
25:56 <T3sl4> in C, it's not only possible, but encouraged, to do seat-of-pants pointer arithmetic. pointers are not arrays, and there's no bounds checking even when they are [arrays]. it's no surprise the most common faults in C are buffer overruns
26:01 <Nothing\> i'm sure x86-64 asm isn't too far off from 8086 asm
26:03 <Ampera> a good way to think of it is every variable in C is an array, and increasing the index of that array just increases the pointer by the size of the variable
26:19 <Ampera> arrays are just pointer math in C
26:24 <T3sl4> ^
26:56 <Ampera> You can get some mindfuckingly brilliant stuff done in C, it's a language that always has a stupid yet brilliant solution for everything
26:58 <Nothing\> from what i understand 8086 asm works almost identically to at least 486 asm
27:09 <Ampera> no
27:13 <Ampera> not even close
27:28 <Ampera> the x86 series of CPUs have different distinct operating modes that make them act like entirely different CPUs
27:40 <Nothing\> no i mean 8086 code would run on a 486 with relatively few tweaks
27:44 <Ampera> the 486 is capable of operating with near perfect 8086 binary compatibility, which was retroactively named real mode
27:55 <Nothing\> ah
28:05 <Nothing\> like the 6502 and 65816
28:22 <Nothing\> you can emulate the 6502 in the 65816
28:24 <T3sl4> (you can have array types, and you can assign an array, or any element thereof, to a pointer of the same [element] data type, with no complaint whatsoever; C arrays are more about declaration/allocation, i suppose, and indeed the array operator [braces] is just syntactic sugar for pointer arithmetic)
28:37 <Ampera> however, real mode is only capable of 24-bit addresses, no flat memory management, and it has some real batshit memory management
29:03 <Ampera> the 80286 introduced protected mode, and I think increased the amount of memory usable to 16MB
29:16 <Ampera> protected mode was really weird on the 80286, but as it sounds, allowed memory protection and access levels
29:33 <Ampera> that was sort of rehashed by the 80386 into the full 32-bit protected mode, now with a flat 32-bit memory model
29:40 <T3sl4> 8086 can be ran on any 386 core, given the right mode ("unreal" mode, was it? virtual x86)
29:53 <Ampera> that's what I was gonna get onto next
30:03 <Nothing\> man this cannabis extract i got is called black cherry punch
30:14 <Nothing\> i dunno in what fucking world they thought this was black cherry punch
30:16 <T3sl4> ah yes, taking the historical angle. proceed
30:17 <Ampera> on the 286, there is no means to return to real mode from protected mode, and all real mode software is completely incompatible with 286 protected mode
30:18 <Nothing\> but it just tastes like weed
30:38 <Nothing\> like they all do, regardless of the naem or flavour
30:54 <Ampera> the 386 introduced a means to not only drop into real mode, but had a very early system of hardware virtualization that, sorta like today's real virtualization extensions, allowed you to run a virtual CPU in protected mode
30:57 <Ampera> this CPU being an 8086
31:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's interesting
31:11 <Ampera> that's how stuff like DOS windows and NTVDM in Windows 9x/NT worked
31:38 <Nothing\> obviously i'm not very knowledgable about the 186-pentiums
31:48 <Nothing\> so, basically all intel cpus lol
31:52 <Ampera> Each generation brought different changes and extensions, like the hundred fucking SIMD extensions
31:59 <Ampera> don't say 186
32:09 <Ampera> that's actually a CPU different to the 8086 and 80286
32:11 <Nothing\> oh? what's the correct nomenclature?
32:15 <Ampera> 8086
32:29 <Ampera> there was an actual 80186 which was its own sorta thing
32:35 <Nothing\> oh so the 8086 preceeded the 286, not the 186?
32:36 <T3sl4> it was probably slightly surreal the first time people saw multiple DOS windows open and blinking at the same time, aside from some, somewhat hacky / limited / obscure multitasking schemes predating win3
32:42 <Nothing\> i gotcha
32:48 <Ampera> No, the 80186 and 80286 I believe were largely contemporary
33:06 <T3sl4> 186 is inbetween more or less, but largely unused with PCs, it was more of an embedded thing
33:06 <Ampera> the 80186 was sort of a SoC, with a lot of microcontroller stuff on-chip, and was largely targeted towards the embedded market
33:16 <Nothing\> hrm
33:37 <Ampera> I think the most famous use was the Tandy 2000
33:57 <Ampera> There are also a shitload of variants to speak of, and the 8087/x87
34:25 <Ampera> With P6, you also have PAE, which allows 36-bit memory addresses (sorta) in protected mode
34:32 <Nothing\> heh
34:34 <Ampera> thus expanding max address space from 4GB to 64GB
34:55 <Nothing\> did i even tell you i found a Tandy 1000 EX on the curb like 10 years ago
35:00 <Ampera> with AMD64, you then get long mode, which is basically protected mode, but with a 64-bit flat memory model
35:11 <Ampera> also, in long mode, Virtual 8086 mode does not work
35:28 <Ampera> Unreal mode kinda doesn't exist, basically what it is, is real mode, but with the addressing of protected mode enabled
35:37 <Ampera> so you can (sorta kinda) get the full 4GB addressing mode in real mode
35:45 <Ampera> this was often used by the BIOS
36:15 <Nothing\> i donated it to the computer museum cuz i couldn't get it to work
36:21 <Nothing\> it needed a boot disk i didn't have
38:28 <Nothing\> so sleepy
38:46 <Nothing\> i slept like crap last night
38:56 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
43:29 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera 
43:32 <Nothing\> <3
43:37 <Nothing\> man i need some timmy's
43:45 <Nothing\> wonder i could convince my mom to drive me out to one
44:03 <Nothing\> since for some reason i live in the one part of town where there isn't a tim hortons in walking distance
44:11 <Halcyon> What's Timmy's ?
44:26 <Nothing\> Halcyon, tim hortons, a canadian coffee shop
44:33 <rust_collector> and what is walking distance?
44:41 <Nothing\> basically canada's starbucks but not so pretentious
45:03 <Nothing\> it's more for the working class, blue collar slobs
45:40 <Nothing\> lumberjacks and manual labourers things of that natuure
45:40 <Halcyon> I see
46:03 <Nothing\> yup, but pretty much everyone drinks it
48:17 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
48:21 <Ampera> how are you doing HAL?
48:48 <Halcyon> Just watered the lawn
48:53 <Halcyon> About to go into another online meeting
50:38 <Ampera> nice
51:05 <Nothing\> okay brb @ timmy's
51:25 <Nothing\> hopefully i can get there and back before the storm arrives
51:28 <Nothing\> ta
26:21 <Nothing\> mmm caffeine
27:20 <Nothing\> man i really hate these paper straws they're using everywhere now
28:01 <Nothing\> i mean, i get the point. A plastic straw in an animals mouth or nose can easily puncture the back of its head if it ran into something
28:19 <Nothing\> my cats love straws but i refuse to let them play with them because of that
29:16 <Nothing\> it just takes them running with the straw sticking out the front of their mouth, they run into a wall or something at full speed and the straw gets jammed down their throat and pierces the back of their throat like in that potato experiment
29:40 <Nothing\> you know when you take a straw and potato and stab the straw through the potato
30:40 <Nothing\> i even remember an episode of rescue 911 where a toddle was running around with a toothbrush in her mouth and full, and the toothbrush pierced the back of her throat in a similar manner as I've described
41:36 <rust_collector> I think the main reason, is that people throw them anywhere, not that people or animals get injured directly like that
55:42 <Nothing\> hey have you guys ever seen bandaids for black people?
56:29 <Nothing\> i saw some for the first time ever the other day and i dunno why, but i thought it was a hilariously pathetic attempt to be PC
56:39 <rust_collector> nah, they don't need them, as the stains are not really visible anyway
56:51 <Nothing\> stains? what stains?
57:35 <rust_collector> uh, I do not know. Maybe I have used bainaids wrong all this time
57:55 <rust_collector> I use them when I start leaking
01:40 <Nothing\> mmm that was a good iced cappuccino
01:50 <Nothing\> if you ever see a tim hortons, go in and get an iced cappuccino
02:02 <Nothing\> or if it's winter, a white hot chocolate
02:15 <Nothing\> which sounds much hotter than it really is
02:58 <Nothing\> oh man october's gonna be a good month
03:19 <Nothing\> got the new metroid game and the diablo 2 reboot being released
03:52 <Nothing\> for once the switch is my best bet for diablo since battle.net sucks
04:59 <Nothing\> i tried to buy starcraft 2 on it the other week and all it would let me do is downoad the free trial, play through the free missions, THEN I had the option of buying it. But by that point I remembered why I didn't care much for it so I didn't bother.
15:34 <Nothing\> trying to learn to program the sid chip on the c128
17:26 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind learning to program the YM2612, either
17:48 <Nothing\> or finding some chiptunes type tracker for an emulator of the YM2612
17:57 <Nothing\> the sound chip on the genesis
18:24 <Nothing\> i loved how everythingon itsounded so gritty and dark
19:10 <Nothing\> https://twisted-electrons.com/product/megafm/
19:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - MEGAfm | Twisted-Electrons
19:15 <Nothing\> dang that price tag
19:55 <Nothing\> a synth based on the YM2612 chipset :/
20:19 <Nothing\> but holy crap @ that price tag.
25:23 <Nothing\> huh
25:38 <Nothing\> i didn't know ben eater had his commercial pilot's liscence
26:08 <Nothing\> just single engine, but still, it's impressive
26:14 <Nothing\> not a cheap thing to get
27:37 <Nothing\> ooooh he sells an EEPROM Programmer on his site which is exactly what I've been looking for for the last 2 years
27:52 <Nothing\> totally getting one of these guys
37:50 <rust_collector> what is special about that one?
51:24 <Nothing\> i don't have to build it
51:33 <Nothing\> and it says specifically it does the chips i have
51:45 <Nothing\> plus others i plan to have in the future, like PICs
52:22 <Nothing\> i think it was you who was recommending I try a PIC as a sort of entry level chip that isn't an arduino
53:15 <Nothing\> but i'd like to be able to write to eeproms so i can atleast make some sort program automation or whatever
53:20 <Nothing\> even lookup tables!
53:42 <Nothing\> i mean sure you can do that with ram, but it's a pain in the ass and god forbid yo ulose power in the middle of programming it
53:49 <Nothing\> then what? you leave it on all the time?
54:52 <Nothing\> actually i think with this too you can interface it with your computer and write to it with something like a hex editor. Which would be a lot nicer than with dip switches
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10:45 <steve30> I made a Tiger DVD
10:56 <steve30> Had to convert the DMG to an ISO to get it to work on Linux
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17:31 <Nothing\> stupid windows
17:47 <Nothing\> you put one .wav in a folder and it suddenly thinks you want it organized like a music folder
18:17 <Nothing\> not that i ever found that to even be useful when there IS music in the folder
19:07 <DHess_US> I hate that. Same thing if a folder has a jpg
19:18 <DHess_US> Took me more than a year to figure out how to stop it.
19:36 <DHess_US> Because the "apply to all folders", doesn't anymore.
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23:03 <Nothing\> really? well so much for that then
23:10 <Nothing\> cuz i made sure to click that lol
23:31 <Nothing\> oh well, there are more annoyin "features"
27:12 <DHess_US> To fix it, you apply it to the current folder, maybe, and then select the folders you want to apply it to and use the customize tab.
46:00 <steve30> Tiger is installed.
57:38 <Nothing\> yay another thunderstorm
58:04 <Nothing\> last night's storm even knocked out the power. Don't remember that happening in at least 10 years
58:35 <Nothing\> dunno what they've done to the mains but it seems more resilient to storms in the last decade or two
59:30 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - So much for adding storage. https://t.co/Lf3LFphydH
00:08 <DHess_US> I'm waiting for personal weather forecasting. "scattered thunderstorms on YOU"
03:33 <Nothing\> mmmm greasepie
03:42 <Nothing\> i dunno how you spell it, but that's how i say it
03:45 <Nothing\> grease pie
03:59 <Nothing\> cream of wheat boiled in milk
04:36 <Nothing\> it's some german word anyways
04:43 <Nothing\> common children's breakfast
04:59 <Nothing\> or maybe just breakfast in general, but i always got it for breakfast as a kid
05:55 <Nothing\> griesbrei
06:03 <Nothing\> that's it
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47:57 * steve30 needs coffee
01:39 <Nothing\> i just had a big iced cappuccino not long ago
01:58 <Nothing\> was a bit late for it, especially considering i've had insomnia lately, but oh well
03:13 <Nothing\> although despite that, i'm still nodding off
04:01 <Nothing\> let's see, i got it at 7:30, finished it I think around 8-8:30, so it woulda peaked by 10-11pm which is only 1-2 hours ago
04:38 <Nothing\> then i can expect it to have effects for the next 6-12 hours. Probably closer to 6 with mild after effects up to 12
04:58 <Nothing\> either way i dunno why don't think of these things BEFOREHAND
05:10 <Nothing\> 20/20 hindsights i guess
05:44 <Nothing\> on the bright side, it's given me the focus i need to really go at it studying qb64
06:00 <Nothing\> so now i'm a real programmer
06:13 <Nothing\> master hacker
06:22 <Nothing\> shishah!
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36:20 <DogWomble_> QB64 you say?
39:57 <Nothing\> indeed
40:11 <Nothing\> the 64 bit port of qbasic
40:43 <Nothing\> the power of a modern language with the ease of basic
41:00 <Nothing\> maybe not the power of a modern language, but a lot more than original qbasic
43:36 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg8pMUd-tSk
43:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Making OLED Displays
45:03 <DHess_US> I think you would gain a lot more by learning C and C++
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01:17 <steve30> I wonder if I should buy a Mini VGA cable so I can hook this iMac up to my nice monitor
03:08 <Nothing\> DHess_US, sure, if i could get an IDE to recognize any compilers
03:18 <Nothing\> for some reason i had a lot of trouble with that
03:30 <Nothing\> at least between codeblocks and devblood shed with mingw
04:12 <Nothing\> codeblocks used to work like a charm, and i didn't even have to install a compiler
04:35 <Nothing\> dunno what's different now and why it won't let me tell it where the compiler is
05:04 <Nothing\> but oh well
05:11 <Nothing\> maybe i could install cygwin or something
05:24 <Nothing\> that should do the trick if nothing else
05:42 <Nothing\> or what about visual c++?
06:42 <Nothing\> i tried python, but i wasn't a huge fan
07:04 <Nothing\> i dunno what it is about it, it's always just rubbed me the wrong way for no reason in particular
14:55 <Nothing\> https://sfxr.me/
14:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - jsfxr - 8 bit sound maker and online sfx generator
15:22 <Kuschelpony> good morning
16:31 <Nothing\> morning Kuschelpony
16:39 <Nothing\> how's it going?
17:02 <Kuschelpony> oh, just silent, at least i have no more headache today
17:27 <Kuschelpony> will leave for a short holiday weekend tomorrow
18:08 <Halcyon> Hey Kuschelpony
18:38 <Kuschelpony> Hello Halcyon
19:52 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, actually now that you mention it, my throat doesn't hurt anymore now that i've finally taken something for it
20:24 <Kuschelpony> nice
20:35 <Kuschelpony> i cantr remember, but good to hear
20:35 <Nothing\> indeed, i'm quite pleased about it
20:47 <Nothing\> i didn't even notice it stopped hurting
21:17 <Nothing\> should probably stop using this cannabis "vape" pen that hardly vaporizes anything at all
21:35 <Nothing\> more just burns it, which burns your throat. So I don't think I'll be buying it again.
23:50 <Nothing\> ah man windirstat is such a great app
24:03 <Nothing\> i forgot how much easier it makes managing your harddrives
24:39 <Nothing\> this is how explorer SHOULD display files. Or at least have an option to do this.
38:20 <DHess_US> https://www.reddit.com/r/nonononoyes/comments/po7k7x/no_time_for_caution/
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55:16 <Kuschelpony> hmm, always interesting to learn new tricks about feedback loop compensatopn improvements http://www.douglas-self.com/ampins/baxandall/Baxandall%20papers%2034.jpg
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34:03 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPlbZWZM_A
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34:06 <Halcyon> Hahaha love it
37:04 <steve30> Halcyon, Tiger is running nicely on the G5
37:25 <Halcyon> YAY
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42:20 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
44:48 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
44:55 <Ysjoelfir> Mornings Halcyon :)
47:49 <K> hello pipsqueaks
53:38 <Halcyon> Hello K
04:42 <Ysjoelfir> hello.... somethingsomething
05:32 <hsn> FCKING HELL https://rules.sonarsource.com/c/RSPEC-988
05:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Rules explorer
06:21 <Ysjoelfir> "<stdio.h>" should not be used in production code - seriously?
06:53 <Ysjoelfir> It is assumed within MISRA C that they will not normally be needed in production code in embedded systems. - oh, isnt it? yeah, sure
07:00 <K> hrm
07:40 <K> the result of this will be poorly implemented "gets" and friends
09:10 <Ysjoelfir> is that now agreeing or disagreeing with me being a programming boon? :D
10:27 <K> well, ftell and such would be wierd to have in really embedded stuff
13:25 <Ysjoelfir> so I am supposed to write my own file and I/O operations if I would make "real" embedded stuff, and not only my own hobby projects?
15:20 <K> depends on what "embedded" is in for each case
21:58 <Halcyon> Why? Is it bad Ysjoelfir ?
22:19 <steve30> I just decided to import some Widescreen DV footage into iMovie and it is 'automatically letterboxing' for me. How nice of it.
22:35 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, what is "it"?
23:14 <Ysjoelfir> nice, steve30 :P
24:06 <K> you're it!
24:49 <steve30> I actually wanted to give Final Cut a go but it doesn't like my tape.
24:49 <Ysjoelfir> oh. then it is definitely bad.
29:22 <Halcyon> "<stdio.h>" should not be used in production code - seriously?
29:27 <Halcyon> That bit
30:12 <steve30> At least the iMovie clip had the audio in sync.
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49:57 <hsn> i dont like that .. i want printf, fprintf, scanf and others Halcyon
52:02 <hsn> The rationale is pretty simple: streams and file I/O have unspecified, undefined and implementation-defined behaviours associated with them. Also included in the guideline are the references to the C standards (C90 and C99) sections where these unpredictable behaviors are described.
52:02 <hsn> The rule can be broken (through a deviation process) if the actual implementation is well defined or the code is shown not to be critical.
52:07 <hsn> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31882168/the-input-output-library-stdio-h-shall-not-be-used
52:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - c++ - "The input/output library <stdio.h> shall not be used." - Stack Overflow
55:15 <K> proper, robust programming is hard
56:08 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - as hsn said. But I don't do proper, robust programming anyways. so...
56:45 <T3sl4> makes sense to me
56:46 <Halcyon> *shrug* I'm not a programmer
56:49 <Halcyon> I just wondered why
57:25 <T3sl4> i don't use stdio much, but i'm the kind of pervert that wrote my own serial, display, etc. routines
59:41 <K> print to uart with specified string lengths is not the problem here
59:52 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2tOlfLEHZI
59:52 <K> printf is
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00:27 <K> with the 10102303 options for formatting the varargs passed in
00:44 <T3sl4> K: exactly, i used pointers + lengths instead of C strings
00:46 <hsn> im with K on this ^
01:23 <hsn> i also thnik sscanf .. which is basically a string manipulation .. not related to io ..
01:51 <K> i wish pascal style strings would be more popular
02:06 <T3sl4> BASICally
02:46 <Ysjoelfir> how do you guys call the multi mains socket extensions in propoer english?
03:03 <Halcyon> Power boards?
03:11 <hsn> power extension :D
03:20 <Halcyon> https://www.bunnings.com.au/products/lighting-electrical/electrical/powerboards
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03:24 <Halcyon> That kind of thing?
03:27 <T3sl4> three way
03:47 <T3sl4> with a cord, power strip
04:03 <T3sl4> or extension cord, those often have multi receptacles too, just not many
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09:19 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, exactly those
09:40 <Halcyon> Yeh we call them power boards generally in AU
09:57 <Ysjoelfir> So Power Strip would be ok? I was discussing with workmates if we can call those like that.
10:03 <Halcyon> Yeh that works
11:01 <K> extension cord ?
11:13 <Halcyon> Extension cords usually one have one outlet
11:17 <K> extension cord would be one to one
11:19 <K> yea
14:45 <T3sl4> https://www.google.com/search?q=three+way+extension+cord&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxoK3_0YDzAhXxlWoFHS-5DIAQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1291&bih=1240
14:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - three way extension cord - Google Search
15:25 <Halcyon> You can get multi-way extention leads
15:51 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
16:08 <Halcyon> *extension
16:13 <Halcyon> Too many wines, can't type
17:27 <TheDude> g'day
17:51 <Halcyon> Hey TheDude
18:50 <TheDude> took the day off today
19:06 <Halcyon> YAY!
19:10 <TheDude> sleeping in was really comfy :3
19:29 <Halcyon> I logged onto Team on my phone then put my head back down on the pillow for a bit :P
19:33 <Halcyon> *Teams
19:37 <TheDude> well, visited the dentist today, but overall not a bad day
19:48 <Halcyon> Oh I need to book in
19:52 <TheDude> the joys of home office, huh?
20:38 <Halcyon> While it lasts
21:56 <TheDude> I've tried it, but it doesn't suit me that much
22:44 <TheDude> being completely devoid of social interaction kinda gets to me after some time
23:28 <TheDude> anyhow, my gums are somewhat sore today
23:58 <TheDude> I still have a faint taste of blood in my mouth
24:30 <TheDude> so even though I'm quite hungry, I'm currently not exactly fond of the concept of eating
25:28 <T3sl4> aw
31:01 <K> eew, eating
35:34 * T3sl4 exchanges long protein strings with K
37:05 * K cries
40:55 * T3sl4 hrms, adjusts the lengths
12:16 <Ampera> good morning
12:36 <Halcyon> Hello Ampera
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13:07 * Ampera stabs Halcyon, with love
19:02 <Halcyon> \o/
20:17 <ibiza> anyone here run a pentair mastertemp ?
22:00 <Halcyon> Nope? What is it?
22:08 <ibiza> a pool heater :D
22:12 <Halcyon> Oh
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27:55 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
28:03 <Halcyon> I'm good, how are you?
28:17 <Ampera> how the hell should I know
28:23 <Halcyon> *shrug*
30:36 <Ysjoelfir> another question for you my native english friends.... what do you call power sockets that you mount IN the wall, to differentiate it from the ones you mount in a box ON the wall? in german we have "Under Plaster sockets" and "Over Plaster sockets".
30:59 <Ampera> huh
31:05 <Ampera> most sockets here are mounted inside the wall
31:28 <Ampera> but I can't say we really have a specific name for it, rather it'd be a descriptive/coined name
31:30 <Halcyon> Here they are one in the same, you either mount the sockets on the wall or on a box mounted to the wall
31:36 <Ampera> like an inset box vs an exposed box
32:03 <Ampera> There are boxes more oriented to on-wall mounting, usually metal, whereas most inset boxes are plastic
33:09 <Ysjoelfir> ah, okay. so I can just call this set of 2 sockets with USB chargers and mounting frames like... "Set of two power sockets with USB PD Charging (18W), including two single and one double mounting frame" and everyone would know what I mean?
33:38 <Ampera> I'd say that verbosity would be acceptable in the right context.
34:09 <Ysjoelfir> as a product description for a product catalog ;)
34:16 <Ampera> The problem here with the terminology is that "set of two power sockets" is ambiguous
34:27 <Ampera> since our power sockets almost always come in pairs of two, so for 4 individual sockets, we'd say 2 gang
34:50 <Ysjoelfir> ah. in europe you always buy individual components
34:55 <Ampera> for two individual sockets, but each their own unit, we'd say 2 gangs of single outlets
35:11 <Ampera> no, I mean our outlets literally are two outlets, let me get a picture
35:26 <Ysjoelfir> I know what you mean, I saw that before :)
35:43 <Ampera> https://www.homelectrical.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_500x500/public/images/product/unsorted2/ETW-270V10.jpg?itok=QUt18-mR
35:44 <Ampera> yeah
35:56 <Halcyon> Yeh usually 2-gang, 4-gang etc... are common terms
35:58 <Ysjoelfir> but over here we don't have that, or at least I have never seen a double one. you always get individual sockets and switches and add a frame to it.
36:07 * T3sl4 gangbangs Ampera
36:17 <Ampera> so a single one of those outlets would be 1 gang, even though there are two outlets
36:21 <Ampera> the gang refers to the spaces in your box
36:38 <Ampera> so a 3 gang switch box will have 3 switches (usually), because a switch takes up a whole slot
36:54 <Halcyon> Not necessarily. Here we don't use "boxes"
37:01 <Halcyon> Gangs refer to the socket or switch config
37:18 <Halcyon> For example you can have a single, double, triple or four switches in one "fitting"
37:24 <Ampera> What market is this wording intended for, might be a better question :P
37:25 <Halcyon> With or without dimmers
37:35 <Ysjoelfir> Europe
37:40 <Ampera> if you don't use boxes, then what do you put inside the wall
37:44 <Ampera> does it just go straight in the drywall?
38:13 <Halcyon> It's a metal bracket which the outlet(s) screw into, it's threaded so the drywall pinches between the two
38:24 <Ampera> odd
38:30 <Halcyon> It's L-shaped and is usually nailed to a beam
38:46 <Ampera> now what if you have surface mounted/exposed outlets
38:49 <Ampera> presumably you'd use a box then
39:00 <Halcyon> They are designed so they can be added at time of build, or later just by cutting a small hole and dropping them in
39:26 <Halcyon> Yes, you could then get a plastic box/mounting block and screw the sockets into those.
39:33 <Ampera> https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/7b044316-f5eb-4095-a512-ec1349004937/svn/carlon-boxes-brackets-b114rb-64_600.jpg
39:37 <Halcyon> But the socket remains the same
39:44 <Ampera> Our electrical boxes look like that, that's a 1 gang box
39:52 <Ampera> it can hold either 1 unit of 2 outlets, or a switch
40:10 <Ampera> and you'd mount that inside drywall, some variants include nails to nail them to a beam
40:29 <T3sl4> or a single outlet if you go out of your way to get one, or a switch+outlet thingy, etc
40:34 <Halcyon> All our outlets and switches are generally of a standard size and fit into a single bracket/box, regardless if you have 1 or 6 switches: i.e.: https://www.bunnings.com.au/hpm-arteor-6-gang-wall-switch-no-coverplate-magnesium_p4331630
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41:14 <Ampera> T3sl4, aye, a lot of higher power outlets often do come in 1 outlet per gang configs
41:32 <Halcyon> The only time you would go bigger is if you wanted 4 or 6 outlets on the one physical thing
41:33 <T3sl4> yeah esp bigger one
42:00 <Ampera> I used surface mount metal boxes for my server setup
42:22 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/server/20210513_212151.jpg
42:22 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
42:27 <Ampera> you can see them in the corner over there
42:42 <Ampera> the ones I have you actually screw the outlets to the faceplate, and screw the faceplate to the box
42:55 <T3sl4> hm, is that shelf anchored to the wall?
42:58 <Ampera> or rather, hammer the tabs of the box into the right place, and then wrench on the fucker until it goes into place
43:05 <Ampera> hahahaha
43:06 <Ampera> haha
43:07 <Ampera> probably not
43:10 <Ampera> I didn't build it
43:25 <Halcyon> All of our outlets are switched as well
43:45 <Halcyon> The only exception would be for outlets in the roof space for lights, fans etc... that aren't usually unplugged
43:50 <Ampera> You can get switched outlets here, but they tend to be considered annoying
44:36 <Ampera> one sorta exception is GCFI outlets, but those are GFCIs, not necessarily intended to be used for common switching
45:21 <Halcyon> It's just less wear and tear on the outlets and plugs I suppose, plus useful for items that don't have their own power switches
45:48 <Ampera> I have yet to see an appliance that could not be turned off while still being plugged in
45:54 <Halcyon> Particularly are you are making/breaking up to 10 Amps @ 240v on a single socket
46:01 <K> dunno about wear, switch has more moving parts, in my mind
46:05 <Halcyon> It's potentially quite a lot of inrush
46:23 <Halcyon> Switches should last almost a lifetime
46:29 <Halcyon> I've rarely seen a switch fail
46:32 <K> i have
46:35 <Ampera> I've yet to see an outlet fail
46:50 <K> have seen broken outlets too
46:51 <Ampera> but it's incredibly rare to unplug something instead of turning it off
46:59 <Halcyon> As I said, if you're making/breaking 2400 watts, the potential for arcing and pitting of the terminals is quite significant
47:04 <K> but those usually are easy to fix, oposed to switches
47:17 <Ampera> unless it's something meant to be frequently moved and plugged/unplugged, like a vacuum cleaner
47:27 <T3sl4> outlets fail mechanically, the plastic breaks/falls apart, contacts oxidize enough htey start burning, etc
47:39 <Halcyon> Yup
47:42 <Ampera> No they can fail, it's just that it's not common
47:46 <Halcyon> I mean they are easy enough to replace
47:52 <Halcyon> Few screws and you're done
48:05 <Ampera> stuff is usually turned off when you unplug it here, it's considered bad practice to unplug something before turning it off
48:06 <T3sl4> i've seen it at least a few times, shrug
48:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, you might want to turn the power off there :P
48:27 <Halcyon> Well yes, obviously :P
48:39 <Ampera> that's actually a problem in our house
48:58 <Ampera> because this house has probably been rewired in different spots a couple times, and was originally knob and tube, our circuit layout is batshit
49:14 * Halcyon plays with Ampera's knob and tube
49:24 <Ampera> you will have circuits that disable power not just for multiple rooms, but for different rooms on different floors of the house
49:40 <Halcyon> Bastards!
49:49 <Ampera> ok
50:26 <Halcyon> My house is split up into east and west sides with seperate circuits for lighting and power
50:30 <steve30> i'm importing some hdv into final cut
50:42 <Halcyon> Then there are discreet circuits for things like oven, server rack, water pump...
51:01 <Ampera> our circuits are not separate for lighting and power
51:20 <Ampera> we have discrete major appliance circuits, but almost all of them have been moved/disabled
51:28 <Halcyon> It's fairly common to have one or more lighting circuits and one or more GPO circuits
51:38 <Halcyon> Mainly so if you trip something plugged in, you still have lights
51:40 <Ampera> the only one really still fully intact is the 240V ungrounded 30A socket for the clothes dryer
52:00 <Ampera> It's common here too, but this house was built in 1920
52:10 <Ampera> and was likely wired for electricity when built
52:18 <Halcyon> Heh
52:27 <Ampera> so we have over 100 years of different ideas in the same house working against each other
52:37 <Halcyon> "The electric light"
52:44 <Ampera> most modern houses also have 20A circuits for power and 15A for lighting, but all of ours are just 15A
52:50 <Ampera> and we have tripped circuits plenty of times
55:10 <Halcyon> *yawn* I probably should head to bed
55:31 <T3sl4> bed head
55:34 <Halcyon> Yep
55:40 <Ampera> slacker
55:40 * Halcyon licks Ampera all over on the way out
55:44 <Ampera> you're supposed to work till you drop
55:56 <Halcyon> Meh
56:00 <Ampera> ow, that just gave me an acid burn, Halcyon
56:07 * T3sl4 tucks in Halcyon aqnd puts a cuddly steve30 on top
56:19 <Halcyon> Cats are good for keeping your junk warm
56:27 <ibiza> .......
56:45 * Ampera makes a loud noise next to the cat on Halcyon's junk
56:57 * T3sl4 pets ibiza
57:05 <steve30> i have a warm cosy G5 Tiger here :)
57:18 * ibiza unzips
57:38 <Halcyon> You guys are weird
57:46 <steve30> Its currently transcoding video into Apple Intermediate Codec.
58:56 * ibiza <---(¯`°´¯)  Halcyon  (¯`°´¯)--<<<
58:56 * ibiza <----\ . /.  Halcyon  .\ . /---<<<
58:56 * ibiza <-----\./..  Halcyon  ..\./----<<<
58:58 <ibiza> xoxo
59:03 <Ampera> banned
59:10 <Ampera> halcyon isn't allowed love and affection
59:21 * T3sl4 shoots Ampera through the heart
59:34 <ibiza> would you like some roses Ampera ?
59:38 <Halcyon> Thanks ibiza :)
59:42 <Halcyon> Always a pleasure
59:45 <Halcyon> Ampera, I hate you
59:47 <ibiza> OH BEHAVE
59:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, you hate me cause you ain't me
00:04 <Halcyon> Sure, let's go with that
00:06 <Halcyon> xox
00:07 <Halcyon> Goodnight
00:16 <ibiza> night Halcyon
00:24 * Ampera gives T3sl4 some chicken tikka masala
00:35 <ibiza> out on the patio we sit, in the humidity we breath
00:44 <T3sl4> ooh, that tickles m'sala
00:56 <Ampera> I'll be having either that or chicken curry later today
01:16 <Ampera> an egyptian friend is coming, and he's a particular fan of the local indian/pakistani restaurant
01:24 <T3sl4> ooh
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07:12 <T3sl4> o/
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08:01 <Ampera> er, Tezzers
08:04 <Ampera> not you, whoever you are
11:18 <Tezzers> Hugglewhore Ampera
11:29 <Tezzers> Keep your filthy arms away from me :<
11:56 * T3sl4 licks Tezzers
15:00 <Tezzers> Have you not heard about the country's ongoing scamdemic?
15:15 <T3sl4> it's okay, i had horse breathmints
21:21 <K> which country would that be, Tezzers ?
21:30 <K> there are like several of those
21:35 <Ampera> the country of Long Island
21:41 <Ampera> they're all dicks down there, they even live on one
22:37 <K> island of long dicks ok
25:06 <Tezzers> USA
25:07 <Tezzers> I
25:29 <Tezzers> I'd chant it, but it's now a shithole, so.
25:40 <Ampera> you heard it here first, everyone in the USA has a long dick
26:27 <Tezzers> If my johnson is long...how does the rest of the world even manage to reproduce???
36:06 <Ampera> as I said, you live in Long Island, not the US
36:08 <Ampera> that's why
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05:50 <K> does he gif or jiff?
06:10 <K> on the other hand, some things are better left unknown
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