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00:00:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's difficult to non-destructively test the brain
00:00:14 <Nothing\> at least in terms of its chemical function
00:00:20 <Ampera> indeed, but then you end up with science without accurate measurements, which is not very good science
00:00:49 <Nothing\> usually they administer drugs that are specially designed to bind to a receptor and then tag the drug with a radioisotope so they can track which parts of the brain and which receptors it binds to
00:00:59 <Nothing\> it's pretty clever actually
00:01:13 <Ampera> Sure, but that amounts to throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
00:01:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, yup and it's the best thing we've got right now
00:01:31 <Ampera> you're at least taking a measurement, but ultimately comparing that measurement against an anecdote
00:01:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, actually that's exactyl the process for treating mental illness
00:01:48 <Nothing\> like you go to a psychiatrist, that's exactly the approach they take
00:01:51 <Nothing\> trial and error
00:02:07 <Ampera> Not sure about you, but there is a point where medicine can do more harm than good
00:02:13 <K> running through one minefield at a time!
00:02:24 <Ampera> and I am not convinced that, in most cases, our present knowledge of mental health is capable of doing less harm than good
00:02:26 <Nothing\> try you on one med, you deal with shitty side effects that make you want to murder people for no reason and convince you that there's a tiny, malevolent man living inside your eye
00:02:34 <Nothing\> cuz that's way better than being depressed
00:02:50 <Ampera> There are potentially demonstrable cases where it works, but people have a habit of hiding their failures and pretending like they know everything
00:03:03 <Nothing\> then you "get used to the drugs" ie let yourself get addicted to them so your tolerance is high enough that there are no more side effects, or not as severe
00:03:09 <Nothing\> and you find out the drug doesn't even work
00:03:28 <Nothing\> so then you go off of it, go through withdrawals for 2 months or so, then start all over again with another drug
00:03:39 <Ampera> It's extra fun if you're like me and the treatment is pushed by politics and tribalism, and the core and important scientific principle of disagreeing is socially forbidden
00:03:49 <Nothing\> frankly i'd rather deal with being bipolar, it's caused far less harm to me than any psychiatric drugs
00:04:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah no shit
00:04:11 <Ampera> My grandfather seems to have largely been helped by his drugs, and I would say is an excellent example of when it can go right
00:04:26 <Nothing\> that reminds me, apparently the ontario government appointed an anti-vaxxer to the ministry of health
00:04:28 <Ampera> but he was never a particularly strong case (bipolar)
00:04:34 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Damn, these Youtube comment crypto spammers are getting good. They set you up gently, have dozens of fake accounts… https://t.co/wUbxg3q7M2
00:04:34 <Nothing\> wtf is wrong with this world?
00:04:43 <Nothing\> i seriously want to know
00:04:54 <Ampera> the term anti-vaxxer is sounding a lot like nazi these days
00:05:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's how tolerance is
00:05:10 <Ampera> what tolerance
00:05:33 <Nothing\> actually it's funny, i stumbled across an old article from 1990 that was talking about tolerance exactly like he was talking about modern times
00:05:41 <Ampera> all I see day in and day out is people inventing new and innovative ways to dehumanize and monsterize people for their honest opinions
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00:06:41 <Nothing\> how it's so easy to be labeled a racist because you don't keep up with what words are acceptable and how some people won't even dare address a member of a minority group by denonym (ie calling somebody an indian or a native american etc) in fear that the word they use is no longer socially acceptable
00:08:18 <Nothing\> hell, when i was a kid it was perfectly fine, normal and acceptable to call people who are mentally handicapped retarded
00:08:29 <Nothing\> they even used the word in family friendly shows, like quantum leap
00:09:01 <Nothing\> actually come to think of it, that show also used the word nigger multiple times in one episode where sam leaps into the body of a black woman in the south in the 50's
00:09:18 <Nothing\> but i think that was more so they wouldn't be whitewashing the racism people actually dealt with
00:09:22 <Ampera> Language shifts all the time, that's natural. What sucks is when people decide that if they can't win an argument, they'll change the dictionary so they can.
00:09:36 <Nothing\> agreed
00:09:49 * electrohead waves at Nothing\
00:09:55 <Nothing\> heya electrohead how's it going
00:09:58 <electrohead> hey dude
00:10:00 <Ampera> It's all a matter of the intricate network of biases and tribal alliances that we as people have formed and continue to bicker over.
00:10:01 <Nothing\> Ampera, still, it's one thing to change language
00:10:05 <electrohead> it's going, still waking up
00:10:08 <Nothing\> it's another all together to outright ban the old language
00:10:20 <Ampera> Personally, so long as people keep it civil, and beat each other with words instead of arms, I'm fine with it.
00:10:21 <Nothing\> electrohead, same here
00:10:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, but they don't
00:10:34 <Ampera> Banning old language is as old as language.
00:10:45 <Nothing\> Ampera, so is rape
00:10:48 <Nothing\> that doesn't make it okay
00:11:31 <Nothing\> just because things have always been a certain way doesn't mean it's okay
00:11:49 <Nothing\> hell there were and still are societies where the VICTIMS of rape are the ones who get jailed
00:12:51 <Nothing\> that's not to say the two are equal. Just that the same logic should apply.
00:13:52 <Ampera> Did I say it was okay?
00:14:16 <Ampera> I'm just saying, if you want to see what the future holds, take a look at history.
00:14:21 <Nothing\> no, but you seemed to imply that since banning old language is as old as language, that made it more acceptable.
00:14:33 <Ampera> There was no such implication on my part.
00:14:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, yes
00:14:47 <Nothing\> history repeats itself with sickening frequency
00:15:02 <Nothing\> like the radium girls
00:15:08 <Ampera> Banning language is never acceptable in a society, it's simply that it is innate within the concept of language to abuse it in order to gain an advantage.
00:15:28 <Nothing\> apparently a few decades before the radium girls there was basically the same thing that happened with women who made matches
00:15:45 <Nothing\> they'd get phosphorous poisoning and the company denied it was from the matches etc etc
00:15:46 <Ampera> People will become personally invested in an idea to the point where they must bend reality around themselves in order to make it correct, often not even aware they are doing it.
00:16:10 <Ampera> People will also want to reshape society in their own image, often forgetting other people exist, and what impacts one person does not impact another.
00:16:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, sometimes. othertimes they're willfully ignorant despite everybody practically screaming it at them
00:17:03 <Nothing\> ah well, i should go get some breaky
00:17:05 <Nothing\> i'll bbiab
00:17:10 <Ampera> ok
00:18:34 <Ampera> mmm tea, such the excellent diuretic
00:18:38 <Ampera> in other words, I go pee now
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01:23:24 <K> is it diuretic or you just have too much watter
01:26:14 <Ampera> Tea is actually a diuretic
01:27:22 <K> probably is
01:27:25 <K> some tea
01:27:48 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvq9r6R6QAY
01:27:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Caramella Girls - Caramelldansen Swedish Original (Official)
01:28:00 <arch> look harry had a vagina malfunction
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02:08:50 <jaymax> No more mentos parodies ... please
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02:37:14 <hsn> https://twitter.com/uoblife/status/1435566838528811016?s=08
02:37:43 <hsn> Translate: when u see the psychologist session prices and your issues are related to the fact that you are broke
02:38:23 <arch> psychologist sessions are useless
02:39:15 <hsn> Uselesses are psychologist sessions
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03:16:51 <Ampera> shitop
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03:16:59 <Ampera> blech
03:17:52 <Kuschelpony> welcome back from netsplit
03:19:47 <Ampera> netshit
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03:31:58 <rust_collector> that was the best netsplit in at least a week or two
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03:32:11 <rust_collector> I like it
03:33:18 * Ampera give rust_collector a car which is the back half of a lada, and the front half of a trabant
03:35:04 <rust_collector> ooh, fancy limo spec
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04:32:14 <+electrohead> net splits \o/
04:54:35 <MrMobodies> Hello
04:54:54 <MrMobodies> anyone know about backlighting LEDS used in television
04:55:07 <Kuschelpony> a littel bit, just ask
04:55:46 <MrMobodies> I opened one up no backlight working
04:56:01 <MrMobodies> the owner said the top bit started to go then all of the leds stopped
04:56:11 <MrMobodies> so I want to try and power up the strips individually
04:56:14 <MrMobodies> see which ones work
04:56:33 <MrMobodies> I was having difficulty finding what voltages they use
04:57:33 <MrMobodies> it's like one of these
04:57:35 <MrMobodies> https://alitools.io/en/showcase/150piece-lot-for-repair-samsung-32-55-inch-lcd-tv-led-backlight-smd-leds-2828-3v-cold-white-light-light-emitting-diode-32788516573
04:57:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
04:58:50 <Kuschelpony> they likely run around 10 to 50mA and the voltage can go past 100v
04:59:03 <Kuschelpony> its usually a huge series string
04:59:16 <Kuschelpony> and overheating...
05:00:10 <MrMobodies> so they are 3v but in series?
05:00:21 <Kuschelpony> likely yes
05:00:30 <MrMobodies> there are burn marks on the contacts at the top boards
05:00:38 <Kuschelpony> at least these last i had repaired were
05:00:43 <Kuschelpony> oh
05:00:45 <MrMobodies> 100v dc or ac?
05:00:49 <Kuschelpony> dc
05:01:04 <Kuschelpony> perhaps wiggling dc from pwm dimming
05:01:43 <MrMobodies> so if each strip is 14 leds 8 (1 board had 6 leds and the other has 8 leds)
05:01:53 <MrMobodies> could i just feed in 12v on the 6 leds?
05:01:57 <MrMobodies> oooh hsorry 18v
05:02:43 <Kuschelpony> no, you likely have either no light or burn them out
05:02:53 <Kuschelpony> alwaqys use a series resistor to limit current
05:03:08 <MrMobodies> So I need to put something in series with them
05:03:17 <Kuschelpony> (or crap batteries that are too weak to quickly burn out the leds)
05:03:22 <Kuschelpony> always
05:03:47 <MrMobodies> does it matter the value of the series resistor?
05:03:49 <Kuschelpony> i suggest 1k in series and slowly turning the powersupply up to 30v
05:03:53 <MrMobodies> oh okay
05:04:20 <Kuschelpony> big enough that you dont kill one indicidual led, 30V / 1k gives worst case about 28mA
05:04:49 <MrMobodies> I thought the 6 led board needs 12v
05:04:53 <MrMobodies> ooh sorry
05:05:06 <MrMobodies> 18 volts (3v per led)
05:05:25 <Kuschelpony> we dont know, so i just ramp up current and with an resistor to limit it worstcase
05:05:47 <MrMobodies> so I set it at 18v and if nothing happens just increase it slowly
05:05:54 <MrMobodies> up to 30v until something happens
05:06:12 <MrMobodies> with a 1k resistor in series of the circuit
05:06:19 <MrMobodies> thanks
05:06:30 <MrMobodies> you very much
05:06:45 <MrMobodies> I could have blown them up
05:06:57 <MrMobodies> with me not knowing that
05:08:26 <Kuschelpony> you are already much better than you asked before damaging stuff, i know much too many peole destroying leds or wondering why they light very poor
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06:21:50 <arch> MrMobodies, if you have an LM317, you can very easily make a constant current driver for LEDs. that is the better solution, as you dont experience dips/rises in brightness that way. you will if you use a resistor.
06:22:18 <arch> you can also use two NPN or PNP resistors to make a constant current source
06:26:16 <MrMobodies> Hello
06:26:17 <EEVBot> Hello, MrMobodies!
06:26:51 <MrMobodies> If I try to get to the tracers of the LED'S
06:27:04 <MrMobodies> to try and power each one individually
06:27:10 <MrMobodies> would the 1k resistor be okay?
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07:12:22 <arch> yes, although that is really inefficient. you will need a resistor for each LED
07:12:26 <arch> or actually
07:12:46 <arch> that's not really the problem. the problem is depending on the voltage, your LED will dim or brighten
07:12:52 <arch> unless you use constant current source
07:18:09 <arch> also different color leds need different currents to look the same brightness. red led needs the least; blue/white needs the most
07:21:19 <MrMobodies> back
07:21:26 <MrMobodies> Arch I mean a tv led backtrip
07:21:37 <MrMobodies> I am want to test each one
07:21:42 <MrMobodies> to see which ones are faulty
07:22:00 <MrMobodies> so I;ll be going from led to led
07:24:50 <arch> your multimeter can do that on diode-test mode. at least, mine is able to light up white LEDs pretty brightly
07:27:08 <arch> yep, i just tested with both my DMMS: Fluke 117 and UNI-T210E, and both are able to brightly light up blue and white LEDs
07:31:04 <arch> ahh, this trick works MrMobodies. put an AA battery in series with your multimeter lead, then hook it up to the LEDs, in case the brightness is low
07:32:51 * T3sl4 plinks hickory nuts at arch
07:33:51 * arch spits watermelon seeds like a machinegun at T3sl4
07:34:15 <T3sl4> i gathered some on my walk. it's a race against the squirrels
07:34:23 <Erhard> AU is kinda going off the deep end:
07:34:23 <Erhard> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-users-liable-for-all-comments-under-their-post-1847633797
07:34:27 <Erhard> WTF?
07:35:00 <arch> this is why we need a 100% decentralized internet
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07:38:47 <Erhard> Definitely agree there, though not sure that is related.
07:39:01 <Erhard> Maybe AU will come out ahead and there will be no stupid site like FB there ;-)
07:42:26 <arch> amen
07:42:34 <arch> that shit is pure cancer of the mind
07:42:56 <arch> same for twatter, instagram, and tiktok
07:46:59 <Erhard> Yep... all trash
08:02:22 <MrMobodies> I had to scrape to the tracers
08:02:27 <MrMobodies> and got one of trhem to light up
08:02:35 <MrMobodies> with a dual aa battery holder
08:02:53 <MrMobodies> I'll get the dremmel out to tomorrow and scrape a tiny little bit off
08:02:59 <MrMobodies> for the test points
08:03:32 <MrMobodies> I put a 1k resistor in with the help of a wago strip
08:03:42 <MrMobodies> and used a bit of sandpaper
08:04:03 <MrMobodies> So they got in a line in series
08:04:13 <MrMobodies> and one small tracer going down the board
08:04:18 <MrMobodies> as the negative
08:04:40 <MrMobodies> no test points in there for that sort thing
08:27:49 * T3sl4 pets steve30
08:28:12 <steve30> My LGB Alliance Tshirt arrived :)
08:31:36 <T3sl4> where's the T? oh
08:32:17 <+electrohead> lol
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08:34:25 <MrMobodies> aaah thanks, arch
08:34:34 <MrMobodies> it does light it up on diode test
08:35:51 <MrMobodies> the problem is, I tried pushing the probes in on the others and pcb tracer seems very tough
08:36:13 <MrMobodies> I'd have to go out over them tomorrow with a bit of sandpaper or better a dremel just for a tiny bit
08:36:25 <MrMobodies> no test points in there which is disappointing
08:36:34 <MrMobodies> apart from the main terminals
08:38:36 <MrMobodies> aaah if I really push the probe hard I could get them to come on.
08:38:47 <MrMobodies> in the right places
08:40:54 <MrMobodies> this board good
08:41:25 <MrMobodies> thank you very much made it is bit easier for me
08:43:55 <steve30> *purr*
08:47:54 <MrMobodies> they all work on the joined strip by just digging in the probes
09:06:30 <arch> cool
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09:19:58 <Halcyon> Mew
09:20:43 <steve30> hi
09:22:52 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
09:23:17 <steve30> i'm just playing with TenFourFox
09:31:10 <Halcyon> What does that do?
09:31:29 <steve30> fork of firefox for MacOSX 10.4/10.5
09:40:03 <arch> linux or die
09:49:28 <T3sl4> Halcyon: µ
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09:56:10 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
09:58:50 <Halcyon> YAY!
10:03:30 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon
10:07:22 <Ampera> dickhead
10:07:42 <Halcyon> I was pooping
10:07:45 <Halcyon> I'm good now
10:07:46 <Ampera> dickhead
10:07:47 <Halcyon> How are you?
10:07:58 <Ampera> idk
10:08:00 <Ampera> in bed
10:08:17 <Halcyon> Early night?
10:08:21 <Ampera> was sleeping, but the sky is flashing a bit
10:08:25 <Ampera> early?
10:08:32 <Ampera> it's already 20:00
10:10:43 <Ampera> dickhead
10:11:03 <Halcyon> Yeh, that's early for bed time
10:11:34 <Ampera> dickhead
10:11:43 <T3sl4> Ampera: you're just jealous you weren't pooped
10:12:04 <Ampera> what kinda scatman do you take me for, john
10:13:07 <Ampera> dickhead
10:14:56 <Halcyon> I'm over this week
10:15:23 <Ampera> dickhead
10:15:31 <Halcyon> Yes love?
10:15:37 <Ampera> dickhead
10:18:18 <T3sl4> hickdead
10:20:20 <Ampera> cuntass
10:24:40 <T3sl4> cut your ass with my cutlass, you cut lass
10:34:26 <MrMobodies> Just checked a couple of the strips on this television
10:34:27 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/tTgQR8G
10:34:36 <MrMobodies> and many of the leds don't light up
10:34:44 <MrMobodies> or they light up briefly and go out
10:35:04 <MrMobodies> individually testing but if I put 6v through one working and one dead
10:35:10 <MrMobodies> the working on lights up fine
10:35:37 <MrMobodies> I notice some are dimmer than others
10:36:35 <MrMobodies> going to test the other 12 strips
10:36:51 <MrMobodies> well 6 when they are joined up
11:30:15 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Delorean factory tour! https://t.co/tTVGrQF6Xw
11:38:43 <rust_collector> MrMobodies how does a panel like that light up your room?
11:52:55 <Halcyon> I like your lamp shades MrMobodies :P
11:52:56 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @TheSignalPath: This monstrosity which I have created is now ready for action. @NASAMars, hold my beer. https://t.co/xf5ohnBkuI
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12:02:40 <Halcyon> Aww feel the love
12:02:51 <steve30> I can't find my OSX Tiger DVD
12:03:28 * Ampera passes steve30 a Winnie The Pooh DVD labled "OSX Tigger"
12:04:14 <steve30> hehe
12:05:08 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @generic_squid: This year I decided that I would no longer go hunting on biannual garbage days. No more space to enjoy stuff. And then,…
12:05:14 <rust_collector> you should just put openbsd on it... you will never find that dvd, before you install something else
12:05:37 <Ampera> OpenBSD is great unless you have a G5 mac
12:05:42 <Ampera> or at least a G5 mac with >2GB RAM, like mine
12:06:21 <steve30> I do have a nice boxed copy of MacOS X 10.0, although that is pretty useless these days.
12:06:31 <steve30> In fact, it was pretty much useless 20 years ago when it came out.
12:06:51 <rust_collector> Ampera is it that bad? is it the file system stuff?
12:07:15 <Ampera> iirc for whatever reason, 32-bit POWER only has a 31-bit memory address space
12:07:39 <Ampera> I'm not sure if there is a PAE equivalent for POWER, or what its limitations are
12:07:47 <rust_collector> heh
12:07:55 <Ampera> it's the main reason why my power mac G5 doesn't currently have an operating system
12:08:12 <Ampera> because there just aren't many good options. Linux support is basically Gentoo, and I'm not at the right wavelength for that at the moment
12:08:14 <Ampera> or in the near future
12:08:17 <Ampera> and FreeBSD is broken on it
12:30:26 * Halcyon pokes Ampera in the back, hands-free
12:30:35 * Ampera charges Halcyon for the hands
12:30:49 <Halcyon> What should I make for dinner?
12:31:09 <Ampera> chicken and mushrooms in a spiced cream sauce with rice
12:31:30 <Halcyon> I had creamy chicken thingy last night
12:31:39 <Ampera> balderfuck
12:31:48 <Halcyon> Hahaha
12:31:56 <Ampera> make red chicken enchiladas
12:32:15 <Halcyon> Mmmm enchiladas could work
12:32:19 <Halcyon> Haven't had them in a while
12:32:38 <Ampera> do you cook/bake them in the sauce
12:32:39 <rust_collector> no no, that will not work today
12:32:53 <Halcyon> The sauce goes on top doesn't it?
12:32:57 <Ampera> no
12:32:59 <Halcyon> When it goes in the oven
12:33:02 <Ampera> yes
12:33:18 <Ampera> I've seen people do it where they make the enchiladas and then just pour sauce over it
12:33:27 <Halcyon> I don't like them soggy
12:33:27 <Ampera> which is like giving a child an ice cream cone and then punching them in the face
12:33:34 <Ampera> you are a monster
12:33:49 <Halcyon> A little sauce is fine
12:33:56 <Halcyon> But I like the edges to be all crispy and cheesy
12:34:03 <Ampera> it's like saying you don't like a lasagna with moisture
12:34:16 <Halcyon> Not it's not you bitch
12:34:36 <Ampera> well you of course crisp and cheese it up, but the point being you don't bake the enchiladas without sauce, and then put sauce on it
12:34:47 <Halcyon> Yes, but I don't drown it in sauce
12:34:49 <Ampera> you can vary the quantity of sauce to your liking
12:34:59 <Halcyon> There is some sauce
12:35:01 <Ampera> I'm not sure what drown would constitute, it gets covered
12:35:17 <Ampera> similar in sauce to substance ratio of a lasagna
12:35:44 <Halcyon> https://img.taste.com.au/KCFmaoqF/w643-h428-cfill-q90/taste/2019/10/no-bake-enchiladas-155076-1.jpg
12:35:47 <Halcyon> Roughly this amount
12:35:53 <Halcyon> Maybe a little more
12:36:11 <Ampera> absolutely incorrect
12:36:18 <Halcyon> You're incorrect
12:36:19 <Ampera> there must be full coverage
12:36:27 <Ampera> you're a dickhead
12:36:28 <Halcyon> That's like telling someone they can't put red wine in the fridge
12:36:38 <Ampera> you can put red wine in the fridge
12:36:41 <Ampera> just don't fucking drink that shit
12:36:42 <Halcyon> I know you can
12:36:45 <Ampera> or eat it
12:36:47 <Halcyon> I like it slightly chilled
12:36:57 <Halcyon> Get fucked cunt, I'll do what I want :P
12:37:00 <Ampera> alcohol is a sin
12:37:15 <Ampera> I know you will, but I can berate you for it
12:38:05 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20201201_153601.jpg
12:38:06 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
12:38:07 <Halcyon> That's it, I'm making pies instead, I've had enough of your nonsense :P
12:38:08 <Ampera> enchiladas done right
12:38:16 <Ampera> good, I don't want you fucking up enchiladas
12:38:20 <Halcyon> What the fuck are those?
12:38:24 <Ampera> enchiladas
12:38:28 <Ampera> you uncultured swine
12:38:29 <Halcyon> Where's the rest of it?
12:38:38 <Ampera> what rest of it
12:38:46 <Halcyon> Beans, capsicum, tomatos
12:38:49 <Halcyon> All the good stuff
12:38:57 <Ampera> I can't eat any of those
12:39:08 <Ampera> you insensitive jerkwad
12:39:08 <Halcyon> I know :P I'm just shit stirring you now
12:39:21 <Halcyon> So what did you actually put in those? Just chicken?
12:39:23 <Ampera> just like you can't walk past a minority without thinking about arresting them
12:39:37 <Ampera> yeah just chicken
12:39:40 <Halcyon> True, fucking lesbians have been pissing me off this week
12:40:02 <Ampera> you're just mad because most of them look more masculine than you
12:40:19 <Halcyon> Not untrue, but that's not why I'm made
12:40:20 <Halcyon> *mad
12:40:23 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20201201_153203.jpg
12:40:24 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
12:40:29 <Ampera> this was the whole tray
12:40:41 <Halcyon> I mean, I'd eat that
12:40:42 <Ampera> mmm, this was also a good invention: https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20201122_144927.jpg
12:40:43 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
12:40:46 <Ampera> massive meatball grinder
12:40:50 * steve30 wants more food
12:40:51 <Halcyon> But I'd at least want some sour cream or something with it
12:41:04 <rust_collector> mayones
12:41:06 <Halcyon> I'm hungry now
12:41:10 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20201005_174832.jpg
12:41:11 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
12:41:13 <Ampera> ribs, hash, and mac
12:41:24 <Halcyon> Looks good, but so bad
12:41:25 <rust_collector> good night......you
12:41:32 <Halcyon> I'd eat it
12:41:45 <Halcyon> Night rust_collector
12:42:57 <Halcyon> I need to order some pie tins
12:43:41 <Ampera> what sort of pie are you going to make
12:43:54 <Halcyon> *shrug* Probably beef maybe
12:43:59 <Ampera> beef?
12:44:04 <Halcyon> Ground beef
12:44:10 <Ampera> as opposed to sky beef?
12:44:21 <Halcyon> As opposed to chunks of steak in gravy
12:44:32 <Ampera> what kind of monster would chop up a steak and put it into a pie
12:44:42 <Ampera> that's not how you eat steak
12:45:20 <Halcyon> https://img.taste.com.au/QX7OEa8n/taste/2016/11/chunky-steak-and-gravy-pies-80457-1.jpeg
12:45:23 <Halcyon> So fucking good
12:45:39 <Ampera> can't you just use normal beef for that?
12:45:42 <Ampera> why must you use steak
12:46:03 <Ampera> also opium is verboten you drughead
12:46:05 <Halcyon> Depends how long you cook it for, if you pressure or slow cook it, you could just use bog standard gravy beef or similar
12:46:16 <Ampera> the fuck is gravy beef
12:46:30 <Ampera> I usually just use stew meat
12:46:31 <Ampera> works fine
12:46:40 <Halcyon> It's usually shin meat or other leg parts
12:47:00 <Halcyon> Used in slow cooking mostly, like osso bucco or caseroles.
12:47:03 <Ampera> I've actually discovered I live next door to a quite versatile butcher's
12:47:12 <Halcyon> Is this the place you got the goat?
12:47:13 <Ampera> seemingly the sort of place that'd take almost any order
12:47:17 <Ampera> yes, and lamb
12:47:23 <Ampera> their prices on lamb aren't great
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12:47:30 <Ampera> the lowest for goat, since goat is otherwise unobtainable
12:47:55 <Ampera> that being said, I did buy leg of lamb, which is usually more expensive than other parts, so my only point of comparison are things like rusts/shoulder chops
12:48:47 <Ampera> in other news, I think I'm going to discontinue my use of apache
12:49:15 <Ampera> I've been using nginx more often, and I have to say I prefer it
12:49:31 <Ampera> it has a far simpler and easier config system, and is in general more efficient
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12:54:53 <MrMobodies> just tested the rest and i find leds that don't work, leds that work when the board is in a certain way (maybe dry solder or it is loose)
12:55:02 <MrMobodies> 13 out of 18 led strips
12:55:21 <Kuschelpony> ouch
12:55:23 <MrMobodies> loose, draws power does nothing (when in series of two)
12:55:42 <MrMobodies> doesn't well built to me
12:55:54 <MrMobodies> and browness on the contacts between the strips where they join
12:56:29 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/UiygE2L.jpg
12:56:40 <MrMobodies> some of the others don't show overheating marks
12:56:56 <MrMobodies> that cost someone $650 in late 2016
12:57:04 <MrMobodies> opops £650
12:57:38 <MrMobodies> the rail on the side joins two lengths together (4 strips)
12:58:18 <MrMobodies> when I put power through it tomorrow I bet some won't make the circuit and others may short it out I'll have to see.
13:00:10 <MrMobodies> one length 14 leds *3 42v
13:00:31 <MrMobodies> I'll look through my upsetters
13:00:50 <MrMobodies> otherwise them in half 6 and 8 leds per strip
13:01:03 <MrMobodies> 18v and 24v
13:01:52 <MrMobodies> anyone here had a led tv/screen that failed early?
13:02:41 <steve30> nope, in fact I've never had an LCD monitor fail
13:03:04 <Halcyon> Yeh I can't say I ever have either
13:03:08 <arch> i have an LCD tv from 2009 whose motherboard has failed
13:03:16 <steve30> My Trinitron needs repair agin though
13:03:21 <Halcyon> I have LCD monitors going back to late 90's early 2000's that are still fine
13:03:58 <steve30> My main monitor (Dell U2410) is 10 years old this month :)
13:03:59 <arch> monitors are not an issue; those bigger TVs from early 2010s, they tend to fail from excess heat from driving CCFL tubes instead of LEDs
13:04:02 <Halcyon> Sorry, I had one at work go pop, sounded like a capacitor. But it was a shitty old Dell one, not worth fixing.
13:04:08 <MrMobodies> I had an laptop that i leant someone MSI that has LEDS, I am not sure of the backlight but that was made in 2009
13:04:20 <MrMobodies> aah heat
13:04:47 <MrMobodies> now I have a Panasonic in front room. I think that was 2010 but I got it very cheap in 2013, end of line ex demo
13:04:49 <MrMobodies> still works
13:05:01 <MrMobodies> I was putting my hand in the back to feel the heat on the tvs in the shop
13:05:12 <Halcyon> The monitor I use for my work machine at home is just an old Samsung SyncMaster 2233SW
13:05:15 <steve30> We have a Panasonic smart tv from 2015 but its hardly been used
13:05:17 <MrMobodies> the manager wanted to sell me a newer model, this one had a plastic instead of a metal bezel
13:05:19 <Halcyon> From 2009
13:05:41 <MrMobodies> but they had a faster cpu but lower resolution and i felt they got hot in the back
13:05:52 <MrMobodies> but the ex demo on the window didn't
13:05:59 <MrMobodies> so I picked that one up
13:06:09 <MrMobodies> it had a little dent in the side but
13:07:23 <MrMobodies> I have also got a Acer monitor, cheap flimsy thing that was given to me, 1920? something built in 2008 and it still works
13:07:46 <MrMobodies> but the HP 2065 do get a bit hot but there seems to be plently of vents in the back
13:08:06 <MrMobodies> unlike the two tv's I have given to me to look at both with overheated due to lack of vents
13:08:51 <arch> not much progress today. was gaming. but i can slowly see it forming https://i.imgur.com/1ZiXZib.png
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14:14:25 <Halcyon> *teriyaki
14:20:40 * T3sl4 licks Halcyon
14:20:48 <Halcyon> :D
14:20:55 <Halcyon> I ate too much beef I think
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15:49:43 <Halcyon> Hahahah brilliant
16:46:09 <steve30> i think i'll get some coffee
16:50:33 <Halcyon> Morning Steve
16:50:41 <Halcyon> Did you have a nice sleep?
16:51:29 <steve30> i slept quite well but i've been tired all day
16:51:42 <Halcyon> Aw
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16:57:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
16:59:32 <steve30> hi
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16:59:54 * steve30 doesn't feel too good today
17:00:11 * steve30 purrs at Ysjoelfir
17:08:56 <T3sl4> oh, has Ysjoelfir come crawling back again
17:18:54 * Ysjoelfir bashes at T3sl4 with a cucumber
17:19:05 <T3sl4> omy
17:19:37 <Ysjoelfir> I just have to remember that I have IRC on this PC. and at home on my notebook... with only one screen... its shitty
17:48:14 <K> hello shutters
17:48:15 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
17:48:24 <K> heya Ysjoelfir
17:48:58 <Ysjoelfir> Hello aperture :)
18:11:45 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/Z8lGjCJ.png
20:09:46 <Halcyon> Ampera, I made minced lamb and onion pies with mashed potato, peas and gravy
20:15:04 <K> no food talk untill 14:00 EEST
20:17:57 <Halcyon> But that's 7 hours away!
20:18:27 <Halcyon> Oh wait no
20:18:29 <Halcyon> Not that bad
20:18:30 <Halcyon> YAY
20:19:53 <K> not 7 hours no
20:19:56 <K> https://www.google.com/search?q=14%3A00+eest+to+time+in+australia
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20:20:01 <Halcyon> Yes
20:20:09 <Halcyon> Less than an hour, I'll talk about food then :P
20:20:13 <K> ok
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21:10:25 <K> imma eat me kiwi
21:10:34 <K> but
21:10:39 <K> do you have to shave it first?
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21:16:42 <Halcyon> K yes, you don't eat the skin
21:18:21 <Ampera> Nothing like shaving around a kiwi's deck.
21:18:36 <Halcyon> I still need to get around to oiling my deck
21:18:38 * Ampera launches a parent's concern campaign about the way Halcyon wears pants
21:18:44 <Halcyon> I should do that before it gets too hot
21:19:03 <Halcyon> Piss off Ampera, I'm not wearing pants
21:19:45 <Ampera> why do you think I've launched such a campaign?
21:20:11 <Halcyon> You said you liked it?
21:20:17 <Halcyon> You lied!
21:20:44 <Ampera> The strongest homophobes are always the most outrageous of gays.
21:21:53 <Halcyon> Or tomorrow's wife beaters?
21:49:22 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTl3hojCI6y/?utm_medium=copy_link
21:49:31 <hsn> Wife beaterS?
21:49:42 <Ampera> no instagram
21:49:43 <Ampera> banned
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21:50:11 * Ampera attacks Nothing\ with pasta
21:50:13 <hsn> Ampera: this is hsn, how i may help you today?
21:50:16 <Nothing\> hey hey
21:50:18 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
21:50:21 <Nothing\> HEY
21:50:23 <Nothing\> you know what
21:50:25 <Ampera> you can't help me
21:50:27 <Ampera> nobody can
21:50:31 <Nothing\> i just realized it's been 24 hours since i smoked pot
21:50:39 <hsn> I can eat your pasta
21:51:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, you can, it's just a matter of figuring out 1. what happiness is to you and 2. what will make you happy or 3. forget the pursuit of happiness, label it a pipe dream and just live
21:51:20 <Ampera> it's been ♾ since I've last smoked pot
21:51:20 <hsn> Halcyon: actually i saw my cousin eating kiwi with skin .. i tried it .. not bad idea
21:51:31 <Nothing\> although frankly 3 feels more like giving up
21:51:32 <Ampera> that's the wrong symbol
21:51:38 <Ampera> ∞
21:51:39 <Ampera> better
21:51:43 <Nothing\> heh close enough
21:52:11 <Nothing\> man my stomach feels like crap though, no apetite at all so my stomach's not very happy about that
21:52:19 <Ampera> 1. I know what happiness is to me 2. Nothing will let me attain that, it is literally impossible 3. sure
21:52:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, have you ever heard of the concept of learned helplessness?
21:53:12 <Ampera> it's not helplessness if my life goals are demonstrably impossible
21:53:35 <Ampera> unless you can break causality
21:53:47 <Nothing\> it's the notion that through environmental factors, you well, basically become convinced that a problem or problems are impossible to fix when it's fully in your possibility, but because you don't think it's possible that keeps you from working out a solution
21:54:06 <Nothing\> it's almost like being brainwashed in a way
21:54:24 <Ampera> I'm aware of the concept
21:54:54 <Nothing\> the only way to "unlearn" it is through cognitive therapy to change the way you think about and perceive things. Which I should say also has better results for treating depression and anxiety than any drug on the market.
21:55:09 <Nothing\> ah good
21:55:26 <Halcyon> hsn: Sounds hairy
21:55:27 <Ampera> therapy is stupid
21:55:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, therapy only works as well as you let it, most of the time
21:55:55 <Nothing\> granted not everyone responds to CBT the same way
21:56:00 <Ampera> so does a placebo
21:56:06 <Nothing\> so?
21:56:07 <hsn> Halcyon: it doesnt taste as u imagine .. i mean thats exactly what i felt also
21:56:20 <Halcyon> *shudders*
21:56:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, what's it matter if it's a placebo if it fixes the problem anyways?
21:56:24 <Halcyon> I don't like furry fruit
21:56:28 <Ampera> doctors who rely purely on placebo don't stay doctors for long
21:56:35 <Ampera> yet, here we are
21:56:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, i don't think any doctor relies purely on placebo
21:56:41 <Halcyon> Isn't that basically what churches do?
21:56:42 <hsn> Im too laszy to shave kiwis
21:56:45 <Ampera> therapists do
21:56:48 <Ampera> well, therapists aren't doctors
21:56:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, the data disagrees with you on that one
21:57:01 <Halcyon> The Rapists
21:57:09 <Ampera> ^
21:57:10 <Nothing\> if that was true, double blind studies wouldn't have found CBT to be more effective than drugs
21:57:17 <Ampera> they rape your wallet and leave you worse than you started
21:57:19 <Nothing\> Halcyon, thank you mr connery
21:57:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's the problem too
21:57:31 <Ampera> who the fuck is talking about CBD
21:57:38 <Nothing\> i didn't say CBD
21:57:42 <Ampera> the fuck is CBT
21:57:43 <Nothing\> and we are
21:57:45 <Nothing\> it's therapy
21:57:49 <Ampera> it's gay
21:57:49 <Nothing\> it's what we've been talking about
21:57:59 <Nothing\> you said you knew what it was
21:58:00 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I'm glad someone got the reference
21:58:02 <hsn> Cbt = champions but therapists?
21:58:04 <Ampera> mental health is a scam
21:58:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's what scientologists thing
21:58:18 <Nothing\> think
21:58:20 <Ampera> I said I was aware of the concept of learned helplessness
21:58:33 <Halcyon> Buckfutter!
21:58:44 <hsn> Cognitive behavioral therapy
21:58:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but then you started shitting on therapy as though you'd done it before
21:58:52 <Ampera> I have
21:58:57 <Ampera> it was a waste of time and money
21:59:01 <Ampera> and the guy didn't give a shit
21:59:17 <Ampera> and as hard as I try, I can't think of a single way in which it could help me
21:59:34 <hsn> U just social with good people and u will have golden mental health .. no need for therapy stuff
21:59:39 <Nothing\> Ampera, it led you to try alternatives which may be more effective
21:59:41 <hsn> :)
21:59:42 <Nothing\> i'd say that was helpful
21:59:43 <Ampera> There is vanishing little science in mental health
21:59:52 <Ampera> I have tried no alternatives besides not doing it
21:59:53 <Nothing\> Ampera, according to what?
21:59:57 <Ampera> and I was content with not doing it before I started
22:00:00 <Ampera> According to me
22:00:04 <Ampera> the guy making the claim
22:00:11 <Nothing\> actually Ampera
22:00:18 <Nothing\> in the case of the US it's not just mental health
22:00:25 <Nothing\> it's the health system in general that has failed
22:00:27 <Ampera> it's an industry based off chasing anecdotes and randomly assigning drugs in hope that it works
22:00:39 <hsn> ampera: Acording to 1/1 study showed 100% result ?
22:00:39 <Nothing\> now that you mention it, i remember reading an editorial about this yesterday
22:00:52 <Ampera> I'd trust a doctor to cure a broken leg sooner than I'd trust a therapist to cure a broken mind
22:01:05 <Nothing\> how politicians and media are saying the american healthcare system is on its way to being broken
22:01:24 <Halcyon> I guess that depends on how you classify "broken"
22:01:29 <Ampera> US healthcare is a market failure nobody wants to fix
22:01:35 <Ampera> because, like most market failures, people make fucking bank off it
22:01:41 <Nothing\> the guy's saying it's already broken when a person living in the houston area with a very treatable disease dies in the hospital because there were no ICU beds to keep him in after his surgery
22:02:01 <hsn> Nothing\: But isnt healthcare being controlled by insurance companies in us?
22:02:10 <Nothing\> and hospitals are running out of drugs and oxygen and ventilators and common PPE
22:02:21 <Nothing\> hsn: not to my knowledge
22:02:29 <Nothing\> healthcare is private in the US
22:02:51 <Nothing\> although i wouldn't be surprised, they practically run their hospitals like corporations
22:03:03 <Nothing\> who am i kidding, practically?
22:04:21 <Ampera> Healthcare is an impressive mix of public and private funding
22:04:51 <Ampera> ultimately it's controlled by pharmaceutical companies with monopolies on critical medications for which they can charge exorbitant public prices
22:05:08 <K> but muh' r&d costs!
22:05:11 <Ampera> Those prices nowhere near what insurance actually pays, as different insurance agencies negotiate with drug companies to get a lower price
22:05:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh yeah, those donations
22:05:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's funny, hospitals here actually operate on those too
22:05:38 <Ampera> However, when you are the sole proprietor of a product that people literally cannot say no to, and will be forced to pay literally any price you can think
22:05:43 <Ampera> you get traditional market failure
22:05:55 <Nothing\> the wing i go to in the hospital was donated by wescast, which is a company that makes exhaust manifolds for, I think Toyota
22:06:03 <Ampera> No, plenty of public funds goes into hospitals and public insurance
22:06:30 <Nothing\> yeah you're right about that
22:06:40 <Ampera> Ultimately hospitals are similar, they provide a service to which people can very rarely refuse, and to which, without insurance, they will be forced to pay any price for
22:07:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, not to mention how much americans are being gouged when you compare the cost of a procedure in the US vs say, an EU nation
22:07:24 <Ampera> The difference, however, is traditional healthcare is considerably more well developed than the realm of psychology
22:07:28 <Nothing\> and i mean the overall cost, not the cost to the patient
22:07:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, well that's what i keep saying
22:08:08 <Nothing\> it's extremely frustrating and unfortunate that the mental health system is pretty well useless
22:08:24 <Ampera> Psychology and mental health in general has always been a runt, where malpractice ran free, and patients were considered problems to get out of society's way
22:08:25 <Nothing\> you know, it was 25 years ago when i first started having mental health problems
22:08:36 <Nothing\> and aside from the DSM-V, NOTHING has changed
22:08:44 <Nothing\> there are newer, less tested drugs out now
22:08:48 <Nothing\> that's about it
22:09:07 <Nothing\> oh yeah and i read that they're doing serious medical trials investigating magic mushrooms to treat depression
22:09:08 <Ampera> They don't tie people down into cold baths anymore, but they still drug people until they magically are better or get so fucked they keel over
22:09:22 <Nothing\> mushrooms and LSD have some genuine potential to do real good for people like you and i
22:09:31 <Nothing\> but the problem is, if it's done wrong, it can do even worse damage
22:10:03 <Nothing\> you go into it anxious and suddenly you find yourself in a neverending existential nightmare while you're watching your dead grandmother climbing up your leg with a knife in her teeth
22:10:07 <Ampera> I'm of the controversial, and in full admission unresearched opinion that depression is almost always environmental, and trying to cure it with drugs is symptom solving
22:10:35 <Nothing\> Ampera, i don't think so
22:10:42 <Nothing\> i mean there is definitely an environmental factor
22:10:53 <Nothing\> i think part of it, in some cases anyways, is a genetic predisposition
22:10:54 <Ampera> This is out of my own experience. My depression is purely environmental
22:11:10 <Nothing\> which is then triggered by an environmental factor and causes the illnesses to manifest
22:12:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, well i can say that despite very different upbringings my grandfather, father, at least one paternal uncle, several cousins, brother, mother, maternal grandparents, maternal aunt etc all suffer from depression
22:12:22 <Nothing\> suffer(ed)
22:13:18 <Ampera> I'm not even sure if or what kind of depression I have
22:13:26 <Ampera> It comes and goes all the time
22:13:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, it will
22:13:40 <Nothing\> no depression is permanent
22:13:49 <Nothing\> even kirk cobain smiled from time to time
22:13:50 <Ampera> It comes and goes by the day
22:13:52 <Nothing\> =P
22:14:19 <Nothing\> and yes i know it's kurt, i just like saying kirk cuz it pisses off pedants
22:14:49 <Ampera> I have no idea who that is
22:17:18 <K> you have indecisive depression
22:17:44 <K> spurred on by your own indecisiveness
22:17:57 <K> there, i figured it all out in 2 lines of irc chat
22:18:24 <Nothing\> K, yeah but then how do you make the right decision and figure out the logistics of how to achieve that goal
22:18:37 <Nothing\> figuring out what's wrong with you is the easy part
22:18:43 <Nothing\> which says a lot
22:18:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, he was the frontman for Nirvana
22:19:02 <Ampera> for what
22:19:13 <Nothing\> it's a good band for depressive music
22:19:17 <K> for what what
22:19:25 <Ampera> why would I listen to depressive music
22:19:25 <Nothing\> they paved the way for grunge bands
22:19:33 <Nothing\> some people find it cathartic
22:19:38 <Nothing\> that's why
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22:24:11 <K> oh hai Ysjoelfir
22:24:33 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
22:24:48 <Ysjoelfir> Well, that took some time, K :P
22:24:56 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera back
22:25:29 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir
22:26:03 <Ampera> now if only the mighty yellow citrus would return to us
22:29:13 <Ysjoelfir> I am doing quite fine. and you? regarding Lemon, I think he died or something, I wrote a message on whatsapp to him like... 3 months ago or whatever, and he hasn't received it yet.
22:29:32 <Ampera> that's a shame
22:29:41 <Ampera> oh well, onto the next fruitcake
22:29:51 <Ampera> I am enjoying a nice morning of existential dread and panic
22:29:56 <Ampera> with a cup of tea
22:30:07 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds delightfull
22:30:14 <Ampera> sure
22:30:32 <Ampera> I wonder if I should eat more from the local curry restaurant
22:30:36 <Ampera> later today
22:30:41 <Ysjoelfir> I enjoyed a lunchbreak at work which I used to go through all the stuff we threw out. Now I don't have to complain about having not enough storage space anymore, as we also scrapped some HDDs.
22:30:49 <Ysjoelfir> curry sounds nice!
22:31:07 <Ampera> It's not really a curry shop, though that's arguably a staple
22:31:12 <Ampera> they're more in general a pakistani restaurant
22:32:09 <Ampera> chicken curry with naan sounds like a good option
22:35:58 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. though I think I will have burger today
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22:42:34 <K> offline not for long there
22:42:51 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, clicked the wrong button
22:46:24 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, are you still on my ZNC?
22:46:26 <Ampera> just curious
22:48:09 <Ysjoelfir> Should be?
22:48:30 <Ysjoelfir> Not on this PC though, as they only allowed the standard IRC ports
22:48:46 <Ysjoelfir> but on my notebook it should connect using your ZNC
22:54:21 <K> hey Ysjoelfir, do you reckon Hamburg is suffuciently misserable some time around xmas time?
22:54:43 <K> kinda maybe planning some recreational traveling about then
22:55:25 <Ysjoelfir> Hamburg is generally miserable :P But no, its actually a pretty interesting city. And around christmas it should be nice, IF we are allowed to do some christmassy stuff this year, because coronas and stuff.
22:56:00 <Ampera> christmas is a holiday that only reminds me of how good it used to be when I still had a family
22:56:01 <Ampera> or friends
22:56:12 <Ampera> that's a lie, I never had friends
22:56:27 <Ysjoelfir> I am your friend, Ampera :) And K is too
22:56:45 <Ampera> kinda hard to celebrate christmas with someone across the world
22:56:54 <Ysjoelfir> thats true, sadly
22:56:56 <Ysjoelfir> oi!
22:57:05 <Ysjoelfir> we should make a digital christmas party in the IRC!
22:57:59 <Ampera> Somehow that sounds more depressing than me not having one
22:58:45 <Ampera> mmm tea
22:58:50 <Ysjoelfir> you think so?
22:58:51 <Ampera> finally cool enough to not burn me to death
22:59:02 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:59:24 <Ysjoelfir> tea that is not on fire is the prefered tea
22:59:25 <Ampera> I'm just trying to have a happy doomer blackpilled life
22:59:48 <Ampera> this is peach flavored black tea
22:59:59 <Ysjoelfir> uuuh, that sounds especially nice
23:01:23 <Ampera> I should probably start thinking about what to send to Germany for christmas this year
23:01:41 <Ampera> I sent mine rather late last year, and despite using DHL express, it got there after christmas
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23:16:40 <Ysjoelfir> I should finally send out the packets for mr. head and K. I always forget to print the labels when I am back in frankfurt...
23:35:44 <rust_collector> zzz
23:35:49 <rust_collector> morning?
23:36:06 <electrohead> o/
23:36:39 <rust_collector> hey-O mr head
23:37:12 <electrohead> hey mate
23:37:18 * electrohead looks for the coffee
23:37:48 <rust_collector> it is over there----->
23:45:09 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQLws5KfntE framework laptop review by louis rossmann
23:45:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: First look: Framework laptop from Right to Repair supporting manufacturer
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